Do You Think It's Strange A.O.C Is Exactly on Message with Democratic Division Points of Right-Wing Backers?

Just want to add that she gives me Tulsi Gabbard vibes.

It's such a strange coincidence that she is nicer to republicans in congress than democrats. Also, she is extremely hostile and arrogant and I am not sure what she has accomplished that we are all supposed to be in awe.

The majority of Democrats and registered voters as a whole support Medicare for all.

But I guess the very idea of introducing humane, accessible health care to the United States (just like in any civilized country) is actually a secret babushka conspiracy.

I think they support the idea of government backed insurance vs the private market scam insurance that existed before the ACA.

But the name "medicare for all" was chosen as the name in the beginning even though it was very incendiary. Now there was a litmus test and a division points for democrats.

It goes on and on.

And who is always pushing these division points? It's always the same suspects.

She's a Russian agent, just like Bernie. Audit her financials. She's not the only one, either. The Tea Party of the Left needs to be frozen out.

Who is she anyway? Where did she come from and what are her credentials exactly? The whole operation stinks.

r3 is entirely missing the point.

When the election stuff is over, and after we seat a new president and congress, these lingering questions need to be addressed.

There is something off with her. Mark my words.

r9, she's a KGB plant, that's what's off with her.

The most two most important initiatives that need to be embarked upon over the next two years are: securing our electronic voting machines or doing away with them entirely in favor of paper ballots and a massive public education campaign about sussing out social engineering.

It bugs me that she continually uses terms that inflame republicans. All they hear is, "libs want free stuff"

I wish the far left would stop it with the free college or loan forgiveness. That pisses off a lot of people. Work on one big thing at a time, like healthcare. Let that work out and then take care of college, but it was damned stupid of Bernie to offer both of those things

She’s just another dumb millennial Bernie Bro. I mean, she’s not all that dumb, but she’s an idiot when it comes to electoral politics. All the BernOuts are. Now they’re trying to take credit for Biden’s win. It’s INSANE.

[quote] Defendants and their co-conspirators internally circulated an outline of themes for future content to be posted to ORGANIZATION-controlled social media accounts. Specialists were instructed to post content that focused on “politics in the USA” and to “use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump—we support them).”

r12, she may be dumb, but she's also knowingly working for Semion Mogilevich.

I agree. I think she is a Republicunt mole. She is there only to cause further division and chaos within the Democratic Party. That big eyed cunt is a cancer.

She dragged The Lincoln Project on Twitter after someone posted that Biden's organizers "probably" couldn't make rent this month. She call the folks at Lincoln a scam, said their efforts didn't help and that they should raise money for a number of community groups that she listed. Twitter was not amused.

Her financials need to be publicly audited, as should those of every single person who runs for elected office.

I don’t even know any Dems that like her. How is she even getting elected unless the people voting for her are Republicans who want her to be the poster child for why the Democratic Party is full of evil Socialists.

r16, how interesting... she found ANOTHER right-wing talking point to champion. This is getting old now. She is so obviously working against the democrats.

r18, my parents like her, but they believe everything the TV tells them and go out of their way to avoid ever engaging in independent thought.

who is that r14? I'm afraid to google a name associated with her. These people give me the creeps.

Not her finest moment.

You are a troll OP. Only a troll would demonize universal healthcare and a free new deal.

[quote] "libs want free stuff"

The English left wing party promised free universities before the last UK election and it proved to the electorate that the English left wing doesn't know how to handle money. They lost the election.

r23, you're missing the point. The point is her tactics are suspect. Her background is murky. Her associations are red flags. And she is perpetually sowing discord within the Democratic party. So, the question is: why?

Again, its not the policies that are the poison-pill. It how they frame then, name them and promote them. Instead of being labeled to promote maxium support, they are worded so that they divide democrats right down the middle.

It’s not what she says, it’s how she says it. Almost as if she is a plant, there only to be as shrill and polarizing as possible to scare more moderate people into thinking the worst about the Democrats. She seems to thrive and get her jollies from being abrasive and confrontational. Like when she went off on dismantling the Electoral College. It felt like an act to me. As if she was feigning ignorance just to make us look bad!

Nobody is attacking the policies. Most people want affordable healthcare and a a responsible energy policy.

But these issues that are popular are intentionally being skewed so that they are divisive instead of unifying.

I mean who doesn't want a clean environment and access to a doctor. It is because thee issues are so popular that the right-wing has to twist them and make them negative and scare grandma.

"It felt like an act to me. As if she was feigning ignorance just to make us look bad!"

Now if several of us are feeling this exact same way, then I believe there might be something to this. What does twitter think?

It's not the issues, r28, it's how you get to the end result. The problem is progressives think they own liberalism. They don't. Like you said clean air, healthcare etc are all planks of the democratic platform, yet if you ask a progressive, Democrats never considered these things until progressives came along.

Counterpoint...she represents one of the most diverse places in the nation and perfectly captures the needs and desires of her constituents. And her brand of using social media to communicate taps into the way younger generations absorb news and follow politics but turns off older voters who view her as seeking attention (newsflash-every single young person is on social media and connects with the world digitally). And because she's young, capable, and liberal POC, she's become a lightning rod for conservatives to demonize to an extent they wouldn't dream of if she was a white man. Clearly she has the massive support of her district, so suck it up haters you're going to be dealing with this powerhouse for a very long time.

Is it a coincidence that she needs a physical resemblance to Bernie Sanders???

R31, clearly you didn't read the Twitter thread. She's getting shit from everyone.

I am starting to believe that her stunts are actually highly sophisticated propaganda.

*that she bears a physical resemblance

She has a Jill Stien quality.

There is an anti-american streak to both of them.

r29, Twitter is a propaganda machine. Who fucking cares what keyboard mercenaries "think"?

r31, I don't think people are just randomly hating on her like r31 is suggesting.

That is very dismissive of the thread, which I believe is raising genuine concerns.

I think you're all simultaneously giving her too much credit AND under-estimating her.

She figured out a few years ago that by being incendiary, rich leftists shower her with cash, fame, and influence. If she were a moderate Democrat, she'd be a nobody. By inflaming Republicans, she gets interviewed by every news network in America, gets invited to endless well-compensated speaking engagements, and is setting herself up to lead the future "Green Social Democratic Party of America" if the Republicans self-destruct, the Democratic Party shifts to the right to welcome its refugees, and AOC & cadre storm out and start their own party.

r39, she didn't figure anything out. She's a Putin plant, just like Bernie. Just like Stein. Just like Gabbard. Just like Trump.

Who are her sketchy handlers?

Van Jones is another one who always has his fingers in all the incendiary division topics.

Do you think it’s strange that when Democrats are looking at maybe a 50/50 Senate and a 2 or 3 seat majority in the House, OP is so helpfully trying to divide the Democratic Party and organize us into a circular firing squad? Whatever could OP’s motivation be, I wonder?

Pete Buttigieg Is young and gay. He also utilizes social media as much as possible. He is not a catalyst for shit the same way AOC is, though. It’s because she goes out of her way to be ridiculous. She is bought and paid for by the GOP. I believe it.

I honestly think Van Jones must have a head injury.

Someone really needs to do a hard investigation into AOC and that other Tea Party of the Left goon NYC just elected.

r41, see The Mueller Report sections about Sanders.

OP here, I am trying to call out division, and instead of a thank you I get ungrateful trolls like r43.

A.O.C. was the one doing the dividing.

But this is a good example of what I am talking about. That set is always trying to muddle everything up. Whether its getting everyone to see a doctor or trying to make a small point in a thread. That set is always there to muddle up the message.

r43 needs to be examined by scholars to get to the bottom of what is wrong with this country.

r21, you're afraid to google?

The trolling is strong in this thread. Why is it that now, when conservatives are literally refusing to accept the results of the election, when they're going to court to try to slow down or delegitimize the process, that NOW is the time to have a conversation about AOC. Not even her points which were about the moderate wing of the Democratic Party taking progressives for granted (when progressive organizing likely saved Philadelphia and Atlanta). Nope, the posters on this thread are trying to ding her as a Russian plant or a GOP mole. She must terrify them. This feels like the right wing treatment of Hillary. Throw enough shit at her for enough years that when she's in a position to run, she has a cloud of suspicion and corruption around her. Fuck your allegations. Give me some proof. Is she a mole for the GOP? Do some investigative reporting and find the paper trail. Is she working for Putin? Show us the texts. Put up or shut up.

In OP's warped universe, only soy bean farmers can receive federal subsidies, while all others welfare recipients are socialist beggars.

Oh, please, go dividing your mother's cunt for once and die, fugly, bald cunt troll OP.

"NOW is the time to have a conversation about AOC. Not even her points which were about the moderate wing of the Democratic Party taking progressives for granted (when progressive organizing likely saved Philadelphia and Atlanta)."

So are you saying she is the one being divisive at an inopportune time?

this thread was OP'd in another thread. The poster who started it did it as a favor so let's get our act together and read the thread before we attack it.

R53 = bald OP, even your bald head is reeking.

r50: "her points which were about the moderate wing of the Democratic Party"

So it is a good time for her to make these divisive points?

But a bad time for us to discuss them?

You will have to walk me through this one.

R50, why do you sound so frantic? It has been proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Sanders has been a Putin plant, from day one. AOC is his protégée. One would either have to be completely tuned out from her antics or willfully lying if they denied that her tactics are problematic to the stability of the Democratic party and, by extension, democracy, itself. And, if you want to muzzle discussion, tone and time police, head back to Twitter, where everyone who doesn’t follow the totalitarian lock step, that AOC advocates, has their account locked.

What did she Contribute to the 2020 election

Kamala will put an end to AOC's divisive whining.

As soon as old Joe is carted off Kamala will lay down the law and silence trouble-making AOC.

[quote] She dragged The Lincoln Project on Twitter after someone posted that Biden's organizers "probably" couldn't make rent this month. She call the folks at Lincoln a scam, said their efforts didn't help and that they should raise money for a number of community groups that she listed. Twitter was not amused

How convenient. Naomi Klein and David Sirota were just calling out the Lincoln Project. Sirota is asking for money so he can start some project. A lot of democrats are mad at him for saying it. But he is right about them, they'll revert to business as usual after the election

R59, no, they won’t. They’ve stated their goal is to effectively deprogram the Trump/Fox brainwashed masses. Where do you even get this shit? The morning talking points you get emailed from Moscow?

Isn't it possible for her to be an idiot without being a plant? Everything about AOC's political propositions and tactics fit in exactly with Millennial babybrain bullshit.

Something I want to know, however, is how her economics minor turned into a major sometime between 2018 and early 2019. She knows so little about basic economic principles, I want to see her college diploma.

R57, nothing. I don't remember hearing anything about her during the election (except from repugs who swear she wants to turn the U.S into communist russia)

she is very polarizing. The Dems might have told her to stay the hell at home and inflame as few people as possible

R61, Really? Not in this climate. If there were any doubts about her authenticity and true intentions, those should have been squashed when she was poised to become Kremlin Bernie’s running mate.

R56, show us the receipts, please! Where has it been proven that Sanders was a Russian asset?

This is a Q thread!

The ‘feigning’ charges ring true.

There is something....unnatural about her delivery.

All the evil right wing bitches loathe her, Tomi Lohren, Candace Owens, Rachel Campos etc. they are clearly jealous of her also ( since they can’t stop Talking about her) I kind of admire that about AOC.

R64, read the Mueller Report sections about Sanders. It’s linked upthread. Your personal attacks against people asking overdue questions do nothing but expose you.

R66, she’s getting paid more than they are by the same people. You’d be pissed, too, if you were engaging in treason for peanuts. Or potatoes.

You’re an idiot R63. AOC isn’t even old enough to be Vice President. She wasn’t poised to be anybody’s running mate.

I don't think they are Russian assets, but I think someone is funding and guiding them

I don't think she's just some waitress that decided to run for public office. She comes off as kind of a dumb millennial, but she's polished in a way like no other waitress. She manages to run her office very well

I kind of feel the same way about Pete. A lot of people felt that way about Obama too.

How did so many crazy people find this thread? You guys are ridiculous. If you think AOC I Spaß for by someone, then you have be er listened to anything she has said. Crazy loons!

I’m sorry but there’s just one too many red flags with this one

The OP just revealed at R70 that he believes Obama and Pete are Chinese/Russian moles.

He’s a QAnon loon.

If she hates Democrats so much why doesn’t she just go independent

Where in the Mueller dossier did it say that Sanders was a Russian asset?

No R60. You're wrong

I know the Lincoln Project takes donations from regular people, but I think they are really funded by rich people or corporations. I think that because none of them will stop being republicans. None of them. I've seen where someone's made some type of comment to them and they've replied back that they are still republicans and have no plans of leaving it. No one is telling them they have to join the democratic party, but how in the hell can anyone still be a republican? Be an independent. the republican party sat by while trump did everything. Most repug politicians colluded with trump. You couldn't pay me to be associated with them

After the election, I can see all of them acting like none of this happened. I saw that someone asked Steve Schmidt if he was going to work on tucker carlson's campaign

After Biden takes over, it's going to be "what about the deficit?", "what about Covid"? 24/7. The republicans hire these guys on how to message this stuff to the masses and make it all seem like the fault of the democrats. They work hand in hand with the shitbags at fox news. Those clowns at fox news can't come up with a lot of those questions on their own. Those fucksticks barely know what day it is

R73, that’s not what he said at all. And, as far as I know, Q Anon is a conspiracy theory about rich celebrities who eat babies, and not about foreign assets. But you’d know more about it than the rest of us, I guess.

And, he’s right that the rise of very polished people with thin resumes and enormous financial backing is always suspect.

R76, you think that, based on what? Just your thoughts? And we should take that seriously, why? Hunches and “gut feelings” are the domain of the right and all totalitarian control, which relies upon divorcing people from critical thought.

They are attacking the alliance between democrats and the Lincoln project.

It’s like an episode of survivor.

R77, you find President Obama “suspect?”

Troll.

The Lincoln Project are a group of traditional Republicans who are horrified at what's happened to their party. They want to de-Trumpify and return to traditional conservative values. They never pretended to be anything else so I'm not sure why they should be expected to spend the donations they've received on things they don't believe in and never claimed to believe in just to get money.

She is just stirring up trouble as usual. She would be in the minority party if it weren’t for the ACA which the democratic leadership was responsible for.

R77 President of the Harvard Law Review, 8 years in the Illinois State Legislature, 12 years teaching constitutional law at the University of Chicago, United States Senator. What does your resume look like?

Her advisers could just be using her to smear Democrats

When did this site become so dumb?

Seen from a non-American perspective, AOC seems very shrewd and canny to me. She's creating a political profile for herself and building a political base. Don't forget she had a falling out with Sanders earlier in the year as she sought to expand her influence within the Democratic party in Congress and so tried to appear more moderate, but then the whole Covid and BLM things meant she had to switch back to appearing radical.

Her politics are complete shit, but it's a lot easier to build up a cult-like following if you create a simplistic enemy of the "system" and paint yourself as the hero battling against it. I've no doubt though that she'll shift to more mainstream positions and rhetoric in some years, when she decides to go for the Senate or even the presidency and knows she needs to expand her electorate.

[quote]When did this site become so dumb?

Oh fuck. Oh fuck. Oh fuck.

The lefties on social media started having temper tantrums the day John Mulaney was on SNL, especially those who said months ago that Biden would lose because he wasn't a good candidate, not like Bernie. They've been posting constant criticisms of Democrats, Pelosi and Biden, going on cable news, writing op-eds, basically stirring the pot out of anger and petulance.

AOC is so plugged into social media that I would bet anything she got all worked up too and fell back on her old shit-stirring ways.

The Democratic Party needs to get all of their members in line. I think AOC has made huge strides toward being a very good politician and representative but she goes on social media sprees and starts lashing out too often, and I'd hate to lose her, but if she can't stop criticizing her own party, then dump her. Dump EVERYONE like that.

You can have leftist and far leftist members of the Democratic Party without them constantly whining and complaining. Even Bernie stayed Independent so he could criticize Dems because he isn't one, which is fine. The problem is when you're a Dem and attacking other Dems.

[quote]Where in the Mueller dossier did it say that Sanders was a Russian asset?

It doesn't, it says that Russia used bots, fake pages and accounts, memes and similar tactics to support Bernie Sanders, especially after Sanders lost the nom.

Sanders wasn't told about it until after the inauguration, if I recall correctly. Some people think Bernie was in on it, but who knows.

It doesn't help that Sanders's team hacked Clinton's DNC accounts, it makes him look guilty, but the Mueller report doesn't say that he was.

[quote]It has been proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Sanders has been a Putin plant, from day one.

Where is the fucking proof, LOSER SVETLANA?

r86, great, another shrew with shitty politics. Just what the country needs. And embedded within a Democratic party she openly despises. Fantastic.

[quote]Seen from a non-American perspective, AOC seems very shrewd and canny to me. She's creating a political profile for herself and building a political base. Don't forget she had a falling out with Sanders earlier in the year as she sought to expand her influence within the Democratic party in Congress and so tried to appear more moderate, but then the whole Covid and BLM things meant she had to switch back to appearing radical.

Another non American here who follows US politics. AOC has been pushed as the new face of the Democrats but aside from a strong social media presence and that speech in response to being called a fucking bitch by a Republican, I can't tell you anything else she's achieved in 2.5 years. She comes across as bright and compassionate if too steeped in ideology but the hype isn't helping her. The Vanity Fair cover made me think of her as a Gretchen Mol, rather than a Cate Blanchett.

In fact her reliance on social media suggests a weakness, not a a strength. Her response to the criticism of her attending the Yitzhak Rabin memorial was absolutely pathetic and shows how influenced she is by Twitter storms. Weakness personified. Someone with sound judgment would have steered clear of Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party when they clearly destined to suffer a catastrophic defeat and up to their necks in anti Jewish racism, yet she endorsed both him and the party.

That AOC has the backing of Owen Jones, one of the most ridiculed journalists in Britain who gets everything wrong about the left - he was boasting that she follows him on Twitter this week - should cause alarm, especially after this typically shit article written 2 days ago about how the Biden and Democrats have failed.

[quote]That does not mean there is no hope. The so-called Squad of progressive Congressional Democrats – whose most famous member is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez – has doubled in number, including the election of former nurse Cori Bush in Missouri and the first queer black Congressman, Mondaire Jones, in New York. The old Democratic establishment has failed to inflict the final reckoning on Trumpism that is deserved. It falls to this new generation of progressive leaders – predominantly working-class people of colour – to finish the job, not just for the United States, but for all of us.

AOC can only disappoint those who are desperate for her to be the Democrat Party's saviour.

[quote] The Lincoln Project are a group of traditional Republicans who are horrified at what's happened to their party. They want to de-Trumpify and return to traditional conservative values

They hate trump, but saw a way to make money. I have no problem with them making money, but if they are getting money from corporations or rich donors it changes the equation a little bit

Sirota and Klein being against the Lincoln Project is what made me have second thoughts about them. Sirota's not doing this on his own. He's got someone behind him too. He's just a puppet. Someone wants to take down the Lincoln Project. Why would they want to do that? it's not trumpers, they're concerned with other things. It makes me think it's just rich people

I never understood the George Conway part of this either. No decent person could be married to kellyanne. These people have other motivations that we can't even imagine. They're all garbage

The interesting thing is Republicans like free things as well. The just oppose being the one who pays for them. Their "free things" may not be "survival aid" but they want and get them. Also many liberals that are driving social change are wealthy so they are putting their money where their mouth. Joe Biden in 2017 paid nearly $3.7 million in taxes as compared Trump's $750.

[quote] The Lincoln Project are a group of traditional Republicans

A group of people who worked for and made money off of traditional Republicans. Nicolle Wallace, though not part of LP, is a good example of the type of person. She worked for Bush and McCain. Does she hold Republican views? No, but she will go along with them if hired, or she will go along with liberals if hired by MSNBC. As long as they are paid, the Lincoln Project can be trusted to be loyal to their financial backers.

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Putin loves AOC types r96, they do his work of polarising American society for him.

AOC breaking publicly with Sanders is no different than Trump publicly breaking with Bannon. They are both continuing to be advised by those scumbags.

Aoc and the Squad are fab. She has a way of expressing her points trenchantly.

Democrats are thinkers so AOC is necessary to keep political for political discourse. Democratic leadership needs to be challenged to keep them honest. Republicans on the other hand practice lemming type leadership with Limbaugh/Hannity/Breitbart/Fox/Evangelical leaders etc. telling them what to do. I want us to continue to free thinkers who debate issues so that every member of the Democratic party is heard and whose opinion is at least respected.

when she was 1st elected I had hope but I soon realized it was not good. I liked her for 2 days and then realized that I didn't like her at all. When I don't like someone it never ends well.

she posted on Twitter yesterday that she hoped people were keeping lists of those on the right. The Nazi's kept lists too.

I think AOC is only on AOC's side. She seems like she is just like Trump but supposedly on the other side. She loves all the attention she gets and when it dies down she does something to make herself seen again.

[quote]she posted on Twitter yesterday that she hoped people were keeping lists of those on the right. The Nazi's kept lists too.

She's not a Nazi for fuck's sake, get out of here with that bullshit.

This thread is Q central. Just crazy!

R100, she’s an ideological totalitarian. She’s into purity tests and the silencing and deplatforming of those who disagree with her dogma. And, as r101 notes, she wants people to start keeping hit lists of those who do not fall in line. She and her ilk are dangerous to democracy and absolutely not on the side of robust thought or discussion.

[quote]The Nazi's kept lists too.

The Nazi's what, QAnon grammar-deficient LOON at R101?

[quote]When I don't like someone it never ends well.

Your opinion of yourself seems a bit over-exaggerated.

strange that you can see what's wrong with those on the right but are blind to those on the left. If you aren't careful you will be just like those on the right.

What is strange is this thread. AOC was re-elected with 75% of the votes. 75%! She’s from a progressive district, in a progressive State. Yet, you morons are starting conspiracy theories about her being a Russian asset brought to America to destroy our democracy and bring about division.

Why? Because she wants a minimum wage for people, healthcare for all Americans, education, and a government that works for those who are left behind? In any civilized European country, she would be considered a moderate Democrat. By DL troll standards, she’s the founder of Antifa and a Russian asset. You guys are crazy.

R107, as stated above many times by many people we welcome open discourse. We critique opinions and actions of our leadership and members. As long as we are respectful of the opinions of all party members we will never be like the Right.

Correct R108! For those saying we need to appeal more to the working class: we got them: ."increased" minimum wage for people, healthcare for all Americans, education, and a government that works for those who are left behind. Yet they see this as a bad thing.

Klan Granny Trump Boris thread.

This is apparently you new tack since you lost the election.

Blocked and ignored. Soon to be redtagged.

AOC is not scared of you or worried by you btw. She will be in power and grow in power for years.

She won in NY voted in by NY'ers. I don't think it would be the same outside of the city. Everyone has some good ideas or tries to appeal to their base but it doesn't mean they are going to do it.

She has a big mouth and thinks she knows everything. She isn't willing to get along with others or even listen. The best people are the ones that get things done without fanfare, not the ones that are yelling this needs to be done.

R109, you may welcome open discourse, but AOC instructing her acolytes to keep lists of wrongthinkers is absolutely not how one conjures an environment of robust debate.

I'm assuming English is not your first language, OP?

R114 = Boris

[quote]The best people are the ones that get things done without fanfare, not the ones that are yelling this needs to be done.

Probably the least informed political opinion I have ever encountered.

AOC is a bull in a China shop. She needs to settle down and pick her battles wisely. Going after the Lincoln project like she’s been doing is completely stupid.

r116 just for you

R76, who cares where Project Lincoln get their funding from, they're under no obligation to share their funds with anyone. People know what they're donating to when they're donating. It's the height of arrogance to demand they spread the wealth just because AOC et al think, without basis, that they weren't effective.

I'm a New Yorker and I am just fine with AOC's policy positions, and with her work as a representative. I hope she has a long career. She's articulate, telegenic and unafraid to speak up. That doesn't bother me, but I can understand how it might ruffle feathers in other parts of the country. She doesn't speak for the Democratic Party at large, and has been criticized by Dems for it. Speaker Pelosi has urged her to maintain a lower profile, but clearly she doesn't control AOC.

Unfortunately, every time AOC or one of her colleagues in "The Squad" speaks out, the right wing noise machine makes sure every conservative media outlet broadcasts it to their listeners, using these young women as examples of what they denounce as the nightmarish Democratic socialist agenda. The right wing is relentless in their opposition to democracy. They will weaponize anything and everything to use against Democrats in general, and progressivism in particular.

AOC doesn't seem to see this as a problem. She is getting an inordinate amount of national visibility, which helps her with her New York constituency, but the effect in other parts of the country is that conservatives see her as the face of what they have come to believe is an "evil" political party, and it just drives them further into the Republican fold. Yet the far more offensive and outragous comments and actions of Republican buffoons like Gaetz, Jordan and literally dozens of others in Congress get no scrutiny or criticism from the right.

I don't know how this nation is going to move forward, when it becomes impossible to have a dialogue among people with divergent viewpoints. There should be room for AOC to speak her mind just as there is for hard right conservatives to speak theirs.

And yes, the trolls are clogging this tread like shit in a cow pasture.

AOC is probably the most Trump-like Democrat. 0h, her IDEOLOGY is 120 degrees different, but she's fundamentally an authoritarian narcissist with a god complex.

1. You're either with her 100%, or you're an enemy of the working class who wants to destroy the earth within 17 years.

2. She LOVES (neè, NEEDS) to be the center of attention.

3. She's out to build a cult of personality. And succeeding.

If she had her own Bannon, Limbaugh, and Tucker cheerleading squad & were elected President, she'd be as hated as Trump by the majority of Americans while a loud, noisy, fact-oblivious fanatical base treated her like a god. Trump and AOC are different sides of the same narcissistic coin.

The antidote to Trump isn't AOC, it's sane moderates like Beto, Yang, and even Dan Crenshaw (as an example of one of the few non-Trumpian Republicans in Congress, and someone who'd probably be one of the first to bail from the RP if the Republicans became MORE deplorable & the Democrats drifted to the right enough to make it OK for Texans to switch).

Exactly r121. It's all very well to say "There should be room for AOC to speak her mind just as there is for hard right conservatives to speak theirs" (as though anyone who disagrees with her is a hard-right conservative), but the problem is AOC herself doesn't believe that. She's an aggressive polemicist who attacks and paints as the enemy those who don't share her views simply because they have a different opinion and even creates imaginary enemies in order to rally her followers and grow her cult.

She HATES democrats. She has more in common with Jill Stein than Democrats.

I don’t think this is a troll thread. Sorry but she is suspicious af.

Is AOC a Christian?

Or does she worship other gods?

[bold]So many anti-AOC, anti-Bernie, anti-Hillary, anti-liberal threads these days and I wonder why.....[/bold]

[bold]The bitter Repug LOSERS are lashing out after their disastrous loss? DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM. WE MUST BE UNITED TO DEFEAT THEM AGAIN IN GEORGIA AND IN 2022!!!!!!! [/bold]

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[bold]So many anti-AOC, anti-Bernie, anti-Hillary, anti-liberal threads these days and I wonder why.....[/bold]

[bold]The bitter Repug LOSERS are lashing out after their disastrous loss? DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM. WE MUST BE UNITED TO DEFEAT THEM AGAIN IN GEORGIA AND IN 2022!!!!!!! [/bold]

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[bold]So many anti-AOC, anti-Bernie, anti-Hillary, anti-liberal threads these days and I wonder why.....[/bold]

[bold]The bitter Repug LOSERS are lashing out after their disastrous loss? DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM. WE MUST BE UNITED TO DEFEAT THEM AGAIN IN GEORGIA AND IN 2022!!!!!!! [/bold]

[quote]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has criticised the Democratic party for incompetence in a no-holds-barred, post-election interview with the New York Times, warning that if the Biden administration does not put progressives in top positions, the party would lose big in the 2022 midterm elections.

AOC has learned nothing from the disaster of the Corbyn leadership of the Labour Party. 2 and a half years as an elected politician and she prioritises likes on Twitter over votes in elections.

And the left wing media have learned nothing from over promoting an naive ideologue.

I am willing to give the chance her chance to mature politically. I do necessarily bedrudge the young their right to be radical I my younger days I was a proud radical feminist. I have mellowed as I have aged but I still look on those days with fondness. AOC is going to be alright.

Very interesting the Borises greyed this thread out.

r128, AOC is not a rad fem. She thinks men can be women. She doesn’t comprehend basic biology.

[quote]It's really striking at this point that she is exactly on message with the right wing and their foreign backers.

Because there are places where the far right and the far left end up meeting and even overlapping. I don't think she's a Republican mole or anything like that. Just a typical far lefty high on her own farts. I do continue to question how it was that despite her degree she wasn't pursuing work in her fields and was bartending instead. The explanation I've read was that she was helping her mother with her mortgage, but I have a hard time believing that couldn't have been done more effectively with a better job. I don't know what it means, if anything, just that it's a weird blip in her story.

[quote]she represents one of the most diverse places in the nation and perfectly captures the needs and desires of her constituents.

And that's fine. The problem is that the outsized space she's pursued on the national stage has had the effect of forcing Democrats in very different areas, whose seats we need desperately, to answer for the things she says and does, which are not in sync with most of the Democratic party. She (and the rest of the Squad) seems to have no understanding or empathy for this dilemma, and don't see themselves as members a team who have any obligation to other Democrats.

R120, very insightful post.

How lovely of you all to gather here in your irrelevance.

AOC will be given a cabinet position to quiet her down.

Audit her and look for the rubles.

AOC is the Chrissy Teigen of politic.

AOC is the Trump of the left.

She and others need to form a standalone socialist party and see if she can win with it. If so, the new party could caucus with the Democrats.

I'm a Democrat thru and thru but cannot stand AOC. I do not base my likes and dislikes on what party a person belongs to, I usually base it on actions.

She hasn’t accomplished anything. I work with people like this who are all mouth and zero work. They are always trying to take credit for other people’s work.

And they suck up all the positive energy and then it negative. and are absolutely excruciating to work with. They ruin everything.

They are like black holes in the workplace, sucking up all productivity. And they are never dealt with because of the associated drama. Once they get to a certain point, they will never be fired.

[quote] I'm a Democrat thru and thru but cannot stand AOC.

Then you aren't a true Democrat

r140 sorry but belonging to a party does not mean that you have to like every person for their affiliation rather than who they are.

She’s been here for 2 seconds and does not define the party.

If AOC wanted to she could use her profile/fame/infamy/celebrity/notoriety and really focus on one aspect of policy that she could persuade her colleagues to support her on - early years education, food poverty, low pay, employment protection, healthcare for refugees - an area most people would not need to move much to support.

She could do that - but that would ultimately involve working across parties, compromise and persuasion, something AOC sees completely disinterested in.

She should do another Vanity Fair photoshoot dressed as Che Guevara.

I think it's strange there are people here working very hard to convince others of her participation in things against the Democratic party.

I think it's interesting that none of you engaging in this AOC hate realize that the Democratic party does not promote Democratic policy. They take money from the same people the Republicans do. They are all about corporations and big money. They do nothing for working people. The Democratic party is just a name, they push similar agendas as the Republicans, catering to Wall Street and banks.

There currently is no party that promotes the real policies that used to be championed by Democrats. The DNC controls what the Dem party does and the DNC is run by affiliates of billionaires.

But you keep screeching about AOC and acting like you are outraged by her not being a true Democrat while the majority of the party is actively thwarting anything that helps mainstream Americans.

It could be argued that this whole thread is just more brainwashing by Boris to keep people from seeing that Democrats are not an opposition party, they are in bed with exactly the same people Republicans are and politicians like AOC have no one in their own party (or few others) to work with to promote true Democratic policy.

Has AOC said who she voted for?

R145, yes the Rethugs and bots are worried. Why?

[quote]I think it's strange there are people here working very hard to convince others of her participation in things against the Democratic party.

If AOC wanted to be seen to be working in the interest of the Democrats, she might want to give interviews which don't end up with headlines like this.

[quote]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ends truce by warning ‘incompetent’ Democratic party

[quote]AOC Slams Democratic Establishment, Says It Lacks “Core Competencies” to Win Elections

[quote]AOC congratulates Biden-Harris before stoking flames of Democratic civil war

But she doesn't want to be seen as a unifier, a collaborator or a compromiser - she's right, everyone else is wrong and she's doing to make sure everyone knows it.

[quote] AOC is not a rad fem. She thinks men can be women. She doesn’t comprehend basic biology.

She’s right. There is no such thing as biological sex and what transphobes primitively refer to as “homosexuality“ actual progressives rightly recognize as a form of gender identity disorder. Hopefully it will be cured completely by the end of Biden‘s presidency.

She’s whatever Tulsi Gabbard is.

Weird. The other current thread about AOC, about how she was thinking of quitting due to comments from centrist Democrats, was just nuked. It was an interesting discussion and no more inflammatory than any other DL thread about her.

All criticism of straight liberal women is misogyny and heterophobia and automatically makes you a deplorable.

That is a doctrinaire statement, R152.

Doctrinaire statements seek to impose a doctrine on all circumstances without regard to practical considerations.

AOC is beloved.

AOC is our Saint Joan

r151 Muriel 2.0 (post the DNC hack which included one of the owners of this site) rabidly closes and nukes threads that question the far left totalitarian wing of the party, i.e. the Russian wing of the party.

R156 then why hasn't this thread been deleted?

I figured the other thread was gone because it was most likely started by a troll.

chrissy teigen cringe face gif

[quote] the DNC hack which included one of the owners of this site

Really?

I don’t like AOC because I’m a Democrat and she clearly is NOT. She is just a fucking Marxist who is using our party to spread her bullshit political beliefs, because as an Independent she would not have made this far.