James Carville Predicts A Biden Blow-Out. I agree

we're exhausted

TL;DR: "He's gonna get his fat ass beat"

okay.

I just don't see how it's possible. Enthusiasm for Biden in non-existent, the only motivation his base has is rage against Trump.

Biden could win, but only barely. That's going to depend on in-person turnout from Democrats tomorrow.

Carville says the same stuff every election regardless who is running. They wouldn't put him on the air if he didn't.

This will be a good troll-trapping thread.

I don't know how anyone can look at this surge in voting and not realize what's about to happen. I'm not naïve to think that they're all Biden voters... but it's just a proven thing over and over that high turnout elections almost always favor democrats. Look at the president's favorability and his base numbers... they're both in the 40s. I've seen enough.

The Power of Hate is very strong. You don't need to be enthusiastic about Biden. You just need to hate Trump to be motivated, and he has spent four years building up that hatred and ensuring an inevitable explosion

Christ, I fucking hope so.

FWIW, I have R4 on Ignore

They're only contribution to DL has been several posts slamming Antifa and BLM.

e.g., a troll

^^Their only contribution

[quote]e.g., a troll

possibly just a supremely bitter cunt

I am not even American and I am OBSESSED with seeing this fucker be voted out. He’s unworthy of office. He belongs in a nut-house or a jail.

The craziest thing about the Trump presidency is that it is The Producers movie come to life.

Springtime for Twitler

He never intended this to be anything more than a way to get another TV show.

I think too that it'll be an electoral college blowout. So many people qualified as first time voters are voting against him. Same for people who regretted not voting/ voting 3rd party in 2016, that when added onto the unprecedented set of circumstances facing us today makes it impossible for any incumbent to win. I don't care if the incumbent is a competent POTUS who isn't a complete ass clown, no way does the sitting POTUS win let alone the orange, national embarrassment who's in for an ass whooping tomorrow.

Hope, hope, hope!

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public.

Still, I'm hoping Biden will swing enough former blue states back to the Democratic fold.

If PA votes for Trump again, they may as well join the the Deep South. I don't fucking care it's geographically impossible. PA better move below the Mason-Dixon line.

I also think the polls undercount younger voters and likely Democrats who (a) don't have landlines, (b) don't answer calls from unknown numbers and (c) don't respond to online polls because they think they're just more spam

Most reputable polling organizations now call cell phones R18.

I would agree though that most people don’t answer calls from unknown numbers on cell phones, or have them blocked automatically (Verizon offers this).

Trump should be tried for all of his illegal acts after he loses. And we need to go after that wonderful bunch of people he pulled into his cabinet. And last but not least the dreadful trail children and that horrible fake Jared.

I can't with trump supporters.

how do you put your vote behind a fatty who wears a baseball cap with an ill-fitting suit?

SHANDA!

I'm reasonably certain Biden will win, but I am 100% certain it will not be a landslide or a "blow-out."

No one that I know is enthusiastic over Biden but outrage at least 3 times a day over the shit Trump says is enuf to get Trump disappeared. And once he's out the Republicans are not going to support his cries of stealing the election. His cult supporters will go nuts but no one else will be on board. No one else.

^ It will be an "I don't know you" for real, for real.

R21 has a very DL response to Trump.

Seeing Carville's angst election night 2016 was my first clue things were going south.

I am not 100% certain about anything, R22. Including what you're 100% certain about.

Seriously? You think there's any possibility of an (electoral) landslide in today's climate? Trump will get more electoral votes than Carter ('80), Mondale, and Dukakis--COMBINED (173). I will bet any amount of money on that.

Where is his wife, Mary Matalin?

They used to appear together frequently on the various news shows.

I hope and pray he's right, but I'm still remembering when Obama said on national TV back in 2016 "don't worry, Donald Trump is not going to be President of the United States". I just don't want to set myself up for disappointment.

That's not a very impressive assertion, R28.

r31 And why do you say that?

[quote]I just don't see how it's possible. Enthusiasm for Biden in non-existent, the only motivation his base has is rage against Trump.

You just don't get it, do you? It doesn't matter how "enthusiastic" people are about Biden. You talk about "rage against Trump" as though it's somehow irrational. Apart from Trump's loony cult, rational Americans are sick and tired of the three-ring circus we've had to endure for almost four years. Biden represents a return to normalcy, to not having a pathetic, mentally ill narcissist in the White House, constantly crying for attention like a 2-year-old.

I've been watching a lot of this liberal media stuff and they are certainly giddy, absolutely positive Biden will win. I sure hope they're right, but I feel nothing but trepidation. Way too close for comfort. I won't relax til Friday or so.

if trump wins I swear I will hold a grudge against gay republicans for the rest of my life. I will treat them like rats.

R35 Why does Trump have to win for you to do that?

Biden sweeps the Dixville Notch, NH vote. Final total:

Biden - 5

Trump - 0

Well, that's a positive sign, R37. Dixville Notch generally votes Republican.

I've been voting for President since '84 and I'm not sure I've ever seen a Dixville Notch sweep.

You haven't, R39. Apparently the last sweep was Nixon in the 1960 race.

The last time it happened was 1960.

But is anyone accounting for however it is they're going to cheat?

If it truly is a blowout for Biden, or something approaching that, cheating would be very difficult, not that I would put anything past the Republicans and their pal Putin.

I wanna know what Carville said election eve 2016. Same thing ?

The guy in the photo is how I picture 90% of the dataloungers.

Even Michael Moore is feeling positive tonight.

I still can’t sleep.

Dixville Notch 2016 voting:

Hillary Clinton 4, Donald Trump 2, Gary Johnson 1 -- and a single write-in surprise: Mitt Romney.

8 votes in 2016, 5 votes in 2020?

R47, Voter suppression?

[quote]8 votes in 2016, 5 votes in 2020?

It would be stranger, but not unexpected this year, to have 8 votes counted in 2020 in a town with only 5 registered voters.

[quote]the only motivation his base has is rage against Trump.

That's what this election is about R4 and it's all that's needed. Dump has to go.

In the interest of full disclosure . . .

(DIXVILLE NOTCH, N.H.) — Two tiny New Hampshire communities that vote for president just after the stroke of midnight on Election Day have cast their ballots, with one of them marking 60 years since the tradition began.

The results in Dixville Notch, near the Canadian border, were a sweep for former Vice President Joe Biden who won the town’s five votes. In Millsfield, 12 miles (20 kilometers) to the south, President Donald Trump won 16 votes to Biden’s five.

James Carville is an absolute joke, OP. He’s never right about anything.

R4 is full of it.

I have no enthusiasm for Biden, yet I would climb over broken glass to vote against Trump.

People have to vote today. They have to stand in those long lines. Please dear god, let joe biden win. We need to flip the senate, take congress back. Kick these child abusing fascists to the Curb

Go to the POLLS early, stay in line, VOTE

Vote for Joe Biden!

Vote Blue Down Ballot!

[quote]People have to vote today.

Even the tens of millions who've already voted? I don't think that's allowed.

[quote]"like waiting for the results of a biopsy"

Good analogy, though maybe like waiting for the outcome of major surgery is more apt. Can the tumour be removed entirely, or has malignancy spread.

It's only right now though to put full faith in the surgical team, the electorate.

I think Dems are engaging in another mass delusion. I don't think the enthusiasm is there.

R57, It's like voting for your grandfather.

R57 lives in a make believe world where we don't know turn out.

Please join us in the real world where 100 million people already voted before election day.

[quote]I think Dems are engaging in another mass delusion. I don't think the enthusiasm is there.

You must engage in projection, like your idol Dump. You're the one who's deluded, dimwit.

"I have no enthusiasm for Biden, yet I would climb over broken glass to vote against Trump."

I hope this is the attitude of a lot of the U.S.: just gtf rid of Turd.

I like Biden and donated early on when everybody wasn't. And I like Kamala even more. So for me it's not just "anybody but Trump". And Obama likes both of them so you know he's going to be the Vice-Vice President.

Well, we will know soon enough if this was a delusion, won’t we? I will agree with posters that the Biden enthusiasm isn’t the same as Trump enthusiasm. But just seeing the early voting numbers — how can you explain that?!?!? We KNOW the majority of early voters are not Trumpers. So.....maybe the Biden enthusiasm is just different? Maybe it isn’t about being an obnoxious fucktard who rams buses off the road? Or interrupting Trump speeches with car horns? Or assaulting protesters? I think Biden supporters are 10 X’s more civilized, and maybe their enthusiasm doesn’t translate the same.

Let’s face it, Dems weren’t happy to have another million year old white guy at the top of the ticket. So there is some begrudging acceptance, and that may be why the enthusiasm doesn’t feel nearly as energetic. Trumpers WANT Trump. Biden voters want Trump gone. See the difference?

Mass delusion is not believing in science. Is believing that coal jobs are coming back. Is believing that your silver spoon in his mouth, multiple bankruptcies, New York tower living, travel tent revival snake oil salesman, beholden to Russian money guy gives two fucks if you live or die or believes that he is one of you.

The Dumpsters are taking their lead from the idiot-in-chief. I once worked for a company where first CEO was a great guy. All down the line, managers followed his lead and were nice and treated employees with respect. Then, a new CEO took over who was a yeller and screamer. Lo and behold, these formerly nice managers all took their cue from the CEO and became raging lunatics.

The other thing to remember is that Hillary barely lost the electoral college vote.

Four years later, Trump has not expanded his base--if anything it has shrunk. Yes his supporters are vocal, but there are very few people who voted for Hillary in 2016 who are going to vote for Trump in 2020.

He's lost large numbers of seniors

He's motivated large numbers of Black voters to actually go to the polls thanks to his attempts at voter suppression

The Hunter Biden thing failed--no one cared outside of the OAN/Bright Bart universe

People aren't framing this as a "lesser of two evils" race the way they were in 2016--it's a "get that motherfucker out of the White House" race.

R52, can you prove your sweeping statement? Thanks.

R28, I should think it's evident what I mean. Nothing you said suggests a landslide can't happen. And I'm not saying it will.

The hole we've been digging for Trump is deep now. He's lost so much support over the past four years, he is so hated by so many, he's trapped.

He can't vote his way out, he can't lie, cheat or steal his way out. What we needed was massive turnout to stop him and that's exactly what we're getting.

Adios, ugly fat orange man and goodbye to your awful family too.

He predicted hillary would win & democrats would take the senate in 2016. He also predicted the GOP had committed suicide by having Trump as the nominee.

Meanwhile, on the Supreme Court....

This whole "enthusiasm," thing that morons keep spouting over and over is ridiculous. You're voting for the leader of your country, not choosing which Grindr buddy you're going to fuck tonight. You don't need to have fucking enthusiasm to vote someone into political office.

Further, to all the turd trolls who spout this, get real with yourselves. No one had "enthusiasm" voting for Drumpf in 2016... the majority of those votes cast for him were from people who just hated Hillary and yet still beat off to her.

The latest community Donald has pissed off: Doctors.

Everyone, including the NY Times, thought she was going to win, R68. Even Dump thought she was going to win.

That said, Carville's confidence here is not something I would in any way count on.

R69 Enthusiasm dictates how many partisans from each side bothered to register, bothered to request and mail-in ballots, bothered to show up at a polling site and vote.

Also, how many Democrats bothered to make phone calls for Biden, volunteered at polling sites, gave rides to the polls, reminded their social circles to vote.

You can still volunteer to make GOTV calls for Biden today, by the way. Might pass the time for some people who are nervous.

Did Jimmy Carter endorse Biden?

If Biden wins, at what point will Hunter appear with him publicly?

[quote]It's like voting for your grandfather.

Either of my grandfathers would have made a better president than Trump, even the alcoholic who ran his business into the ground and committed suicide. He only had one bankruptcy to his credit.

People thought Hillary would win because she was favored to win.

Trump barely won, 77k votes across three states allowed him to win. People forget just how razor thin his fluke of a victory was.

R72 that enthusiasm does not have to be about a candidate. It can clearly be a call to action because of dissatisfaction.

R73 all living former Presidents have said they're voting for Biden .

[quote]People forget just how razor thin his fluke of a victory was.

People also forget about Russher.

R79 Oh fuck off you dipshit.

[quote]all living former Presidents have said they're voting for Biden .

Not true.

R80 if you're saying there wasn't Russian influence, then you're the dipshit.

After checking your history, yup, you are the dipshit. Thanks for playing.

R82 R83 No u.

Oh, correction, Bush decided he would not say who he was voting for.

Figures. Once a piece of shit always a piece of shit.

Anyway to answer the question, every other living President is voting for Biden, including Carter.

You won't earn enough borscht with simple words.

If it weren't for the cheating, interference, intimidation, etc., it would be a blowout for Biden. It's just too hard to predict whether resistance to disenfranchisement will be enough. I still think Biden will win, I just don't know by how much.

People said the same about Biden enthusiasm during the Primary. Remember that time? Biden’s supporters are people like me who don’t put up signs, bumper stickers, flags, or scream from the rooftops. But we do vote!!!

This is what baffled progressives during the primary when Biden’s silent majority came out in full support. The man took every county in MI during the primary.

Look at fundraising. Biden has broken all fundraising records in back to back months. You do that without enthusiasm of some sort, even if it’s hate for the other guy.

Where it counts Biden gets the numbers. Social media and massive crowds don’t win elections.

People have underestimated Uncle Joe this entire campaign season. He was too old. He was too out of touch. He was too bipartisan. He was too senile. He was too everything. But, win or lose, he was the right candidate for this particular time and place. Does he flood every democrat's basement the way some others did? No. But he's a solid candidate who has run a flawless campaign. And when Joe says he gives a damn, I actually believe it. And this is coming from a late 40s jaded as fuck GenXer.

I wanted Pete, but I don't think Pete or any of the others could not have done what Joe has done this time around.

Agree all you like OP. This will probably end up in the Supreme Court.

What the trolls failed to realize is the deep, deep, DEEP hatred that we have for Donald Trump. I don't care if it were ham sandwich running up against him.

At least the sandwich wouldn't be able to tweet.

Do NOT underestimate the power of a ham sandwich!

I understand Bush’s motivations. While it’s widely known of the mutual antipathy between Trump & Bush, & no one can seriously doubt that he voted for Trump in either election, he believes his only opportunity to shape a post-Trump party away from Trumpism is to stay within the party as much as possible.

[quote] all living former Presidents (except the only living Republican) have said they're voting for Biden .

It would have been pretty fucking shocking if Carter, Clinton or Obama came out in favor of Trump.

We have far better arguments than this.

"Nana Cass"

Oh, dear.

R93 no excuses for that POS.

I hope Biden wins but I feel he’s an illegitimate candidate. It made me sick how people like Carville cheerleaded Biden and Warren but shit on people like Bernie and Mayor Pete.

I can guarantee you both GW Bush and his father voted for Hillary. Hillary and Bill were like son & daughter to GHW Bush and Barbara, and GW Bush and Laura were/are both very friendly with the Clintons.

Correction: Bill was like a son to GHW and Barb... I have never heard any such affection on their part for HIllary.

Of course Bush is voting for Biden. Dump took a shit on his entire family, and Bush despises him. I have zero doubt Bush will vote for Biden, whether or not he admits it.

Who cares, anyway?

I still think a lot of people will have found mail-in voting a hassle and didn't want to risk going in public today.

I hope he's right.

Correction R90: it might end up in the Sureme Court. I fear it might, but it 100.8 million early votes have already been cast. According to USA Today: "The massive early voting turnout puts the U.S. on track to likely surpass 150 million voters overall for the election, which would mark the highest turnout of eligible voters by percentage in a presidential election since 1908."

That's a harbinger of something, which I interpret to be a mandate against Dump.

[quote] The other thing to remember is that Hillary barely lost the electoral college vote.

304 to 227 is not “barely lost”.

[quote] If it weren't for the cheating, interference, intimidation, etc., it would be a blowout for Biden. It's just too hard to predict whether resistance to disenfranchisement will be enough. I still think Biden will win, I just don't know by how much.

I’m sorry r87 but you either live in a blue bubble or don’t quite grasp how deeply divided this country is right now. This election was always going to be very close; it was never going to be a blow out for either side. I doubt we’ll ever see true blow out elections like 1984 or 2008 again for a long time.

[quote] That's a harbinger of something, which I interpret to be a mandate against Dump.

Bingo

Keep repeating:

No 2016 Hillary voters are voting for Trump

Many 2016 Trump votes are voting for Biden...including many who mostly with Trump's policies but just want the shit show to end

Turnout is much higher this year--voter suppression backfired

2016 was about The Lesser of Two Evils

2020 is about Vote The Motherfucker Out Now!

Seen you on the flip side.

Fuck that was a lot of typos-- sorry!

From your mouth to God's ears, YMF.

r100 Why are you so sure? He didn't vote for Trump in '16, but he didn't vote for Hillary either.

Du(m)bya voted for Kanye.

[quote] I doubt we’ll ever see true blow out elections like 1984 or 2008 again for a long time.

2008 wasn't really a "blow-out" either. 1980 and 1988 were bigger landslides than 2008.

[quote]Dump took a shit on his entire family, and Bush despises him.

Is that supposed to mean you don't vote for him???

R110, you're really dreaming if you think Meghan McCain voted for Dump. Cruz, sure--McCain, never. Get real.

John McCain's widow said she was voting for Biden.

Meghan must've written in the name of her father.

R103, the electoral college is a numbers game. It doesn't reflect the reality of how people actually voted across the country. That is reflected by the popular vote. We know who won that, and by nearly 3 million votes.

R111 you're dreaming if you think she voted Hillary.

The bitch has spent 4 years defending the piece of shit that shits on her father.

Darling, R115, I meant this year. This year Meghan McCain voted for Biden.

[quote] the electoral college is a numbers game. It doesn't reflect the reality of how people actually voted across the country.

No kidding. The post I was responding to however was specifically about the outcome of the electoral college.

And how do you know for sure he didn't, R107?

R115, Darling, that wasn't the joke.

Correction, R116... that wasn't the joke.

Um...joke? There was a joke there, somewhere?

r118 I'm not sure -- I didn't make the statement claiming he did.

Bush kept silent as a favor to his old coke and booze buddy, former Yale college roommate, Larry Kudlow

And another DL thread has become tiresome.

Miss Lyndsey will be insufferable after he wins.

R122, it wasn't a claim, it was a very fair assumption. No, Bush didn't publicly state who he voted for. I don't believe for a minute either the McCains or the Bushes--any of them--voted for Dump, then or now. I believe they voted for Clinton and Biden.

As opposed to now, R125?

Sorry you're slow, R121.

R124 I'm sorry someone keeps dragging you in here.

I'm sorry you're a tired cunt, R129.

And no, R128, there's no joke. Unless you're so simple you think there was.

[quote]People have underestimated Uncle Joe this entire campaign season. He was too old. He was too out of touch. He was too bipartisan. He was too senile. He was too everything. But, win or lose, he was the right candidate for this particular time and place. Does he flood every democrat's basement the way some others did? No. But he's a solid candidate who has run a flawless campaign. And when Joe says he gives a damn, I actually believe it. And this is coming from a late 40s jaded as fuck GenXer.

First off, anyone who uses the term "Uncle" in describing a politician cannot be taken seriously.

Second, Biden did not run a great campaign. He did lackluster in the three debates and his campaign was running out of steam before the choice of Kamala Harris for VP single handedly reignited it.

As others have pointed out, people are voting for Biden largely because they want Trump out of office. He was the one who was anointed as being the best for the job before he even entered the race. It is what it is at this point, but this is not Obama 2.0 by a long shot.

What this should be is a moment for the future democrats to shine. Biden IS too old, and he cannot be the frontrunner for a party that seriously needs to think about the future. He needs to build a coalition of younger stars who will take over the reigns, because let's be real, he is most likely not running another term.

The verdict is still out on whether he will come to his senses and give up the bipartisan BS. He has an antiquated view of the opposing party that has not always been to his benefit. He needs to remember that if the Republicans had their way, Hunter's ass would be in jail right now on some trumped up charges (no pun intended) and that FACT needs to guide his every decision and movement in terms of dealing with them.

R130 still sorry someone's forcing you in here and you're pissed you didn't get the joke and had to change it to, "im talking about THIS election!!!" ha.

[quote] it wasn't a claim, it was a very fair assumption. No, Bush didn't publicly state who he voted for. I don't believe for a minute either the McCains or the Bushes--any of them--voted for Dump, then or now. I believe they voted for Clinton and Biden.

Bush has publicly stated he did NOT vote for Hillary. He said he voted for "none of the above."

"As others have pointed out, people are voting for Biden largely because they want Trump out of office. "

That's all that needs to be said, R131. Unless this is stolen by the SCOTUS, Biden has four years to do a lot. I agree the bipartisan shit has got to go. As for his campaign, it was better than you describe, and his debate peformances, considering the flaming pile of shit he was debating, were just fine.

R132, this days of days, I'm not going to be trolled by a gash like you. IGNORED. Bye, cunt.

R133, again--wh the fuck cares?

Speaking of cunts, R134.

R133

Either way that means he voted for Orange.

Ignoring is for the weak and those walking away with their tail between their legs. Bye cunt!

Another cunt bites the dust. Bye, R135. Blocked.

Poor cunt cant take the heat and must announce his blocks!

If you hate the thread so much, stop coming in here and bitching about it, CUNT!

R138 you really think you're doing something, huh?

How cute.

Were some cunts saying something? I have a couple of them blocked so I guess the joke is on them LMFAO.

Not really, the joke is on you because you're a dumb cunt that everyone else is laughing at, LMFAO.

Not really, the joke is on you because you're a dumb cunt that everyone else is laughing at, LMFAO.

I voted by mail for Adlai.

I thought you were more a Stassen gal, Babs.

With 61% of the vote counted, Texas favors Biden at 50.6% to Trump at 48.0%.

R131 It doesn't matter how old he is. It matters who he surrounds himself with.

R147, Caregivers.

Bet James feels dumb now. He said we’d all go to bed at 11pm tonight.

uhhh, Jimmy.....?

James is such a fucking retard and needs to go away. Thought we were going to know the winner by 10pm last night?🙄

Omfg

Can we now consider James Carville officially irrelevant?

I never expected a blue wave, but I did believe Biden would have a more decisive lead at this point.

Datalounge is like that girl in high school who runs for class president knowing that she will win by a landslide because EVERYONE loves her!!!!!

Can we NEVER hear from this tired, worn out old asshole again. People who were famous during the Clinton administration (or Reagan. I'm looking at you Peggy Noonan) should not be doing commentary on news shows today.

Fucking muppet.

I actually hope his mouth is incapacitated by a stroke.

[quote]but I did believe Biden would have a more decisive lead at this point.

R154 An addled geriatric with an unappealing running mate? You are truly unaware of voter psyche.

At least we didn't have to see or hear his wife!

You'd think all these highly intelligent people would have learned to stop predicting anything concerning Trump and the mentally ill nitwits who support him.

Wasn't just Carville.

Why a Democratic landslide in November could crush the GOP for the next decade (or more)

Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large

CNN) With independent political handicappers revising upwards the likelihood of Joe Biden winning the presidency and Democratic gains in the Senate and House in recent days, there is now a reasonable chance that we may be looking at a major landslide up and down the ballot in two weeks' time.

Carville is such a joke. “blowout” ok.

Since at least 2000 (and getting progressively worse) - you have to add at least 4 to7 points to the GOP polling number to account for their rampant cheating. If you aren't doing that, you will be in for a nasty surprise.

R154 yes Rose🌹, it’s called cheating. 8-10 pt polling leads vaporize in the air. Political polling’s greatest challenge is American presidential elections. Stay stupid, stay in your fog & STOP ASKING QUESTIONS!

R164 R165 Oh, parties cheat is elections now? Voting machines are rigged, now? I've been getting told for over a week that bothe those things are impossible and never happen.

R166 - perhaps your future posts would be more effective if you actually went back to trolling in your own native language.

R167 I'm not a foreigner you diseased clitoris.

Chris Cillizza is an uneducated buffoon with no credentials. He's always been the most controversial hire at CNN.

R169 He says a lot of dumb shit.

"Oh, parties cheat is elections now? Voting machines are rigged, now? I've been getting told for over a week that bothe those things are impossible and never happen."

You might want to start using software that checks for spelling, grammar and punctuation R166/R168. Better yet, just get back to us when you have passed 5th grade English.

Here you go, Ma'am: "both"

Rep. Max Rose concedes in #NY11 to Nicole Malliotakis. It’s now the 10th seat Republicans have flipped.

Was it a blow out? No. We still need to give Biden credit for pulling out the win. Not only did he win, he won by 75 million votes, the most ever cast in a presidential election. He also managed to flip two red states, Arizona and Georgia. Please give him credit where it's due. I believe he was the best choice for the dems and that nobody else would have been able to beat Trump.

R174 If you were American you would understand how suspicious and implausible what you described actually is.

If we were Belarus, or Bolivia, or an African country I don't think you'd be shy about questioning the legitimacy of our election. It's been ten days and there are still states counting votes. This has never happened to us before. Not even in 2000.

Biden won the presidency with 6 million more votes than Obama received in 2008? Trump also received more votes than Obama did?

How did millions of people vote for Biden but leave the rest of their ballots blank?