Is being unattractive a fate worse than death?

You know it is, so why are you asking. If you were attractive you wouldn't be on a message board.

Of course, I'm here not because I'm unattractive but as a public service to those who are.

During the middle ages ugly was considered a sign of evil

Live an ugly life an it shows on your face. Every scowl and sneer has a consequence.

On the other hand, being attractive has it's drawbacks as well. Think of all the 'beautiful' celebs, who get trapped feeling the need to still look like they did when they were in their 20's. Like all those ghastly soap stars who've been on the same show for DECADES and look horrific even with muted lighting.

How horrible would that be coming home at night, washing off the layers of makeup and then seeing the shriveled old prune underneath. Every time you'd look in the mirror...Disappointment.

OP - how does it feel to not have an original thread idea, and be so brain dead as to post something from Reddit, here? That must be the final straw, on top of you being so fug.

There's a lot more to attractiveness than mere looks. There is charm, grace, charisma, money, a great body or personality. Very full people are the full package but most have at least one or two attractive attributes and most of them can be worked on with a bit of effort and patience. It is not all down to biology.

Ugly girls can still get laid, so this doesn’t apply to them. You have to do the best with what you’ve got when you’re male. Working on your body and grooming can do wonders for a man.

OP, there are normal, average everyday people -- who you call 'ugly' -- who have lives filled with love and happiness. You're clearly not one of them...

Nobody has to be ugly these days. With enough money, everybody can be beautiful. You just have to want to be beautiful.

My husband looks like Brad Pitt. Both men and women just stare at him. He gets some kind of privilege/premium from people for being so attractive. I’m less attractive and try hard not to be jealous. But what I’ve noticed, you can be ugly sex. Get thine ass to the gym and make your body sexy. Then get an expensive haircut and some updated threads. There is always something you can do. Feeling good about yourself always reflects in your face.

Boys don't make passes at guys with fat asses.

R1, Dummy, I'm on a message board because I'm smart and like sharing ideas. I'm a 10/10 32 year old black stud with an angelic face.

There is a guy on youtube MikeG. He was the BI big lady on that Linsday Lohan trainwreck reality show - he did a video with a friend - a heavy set black guy and they created a grindr profile for Mike. Within seconds his profile was blowing up. The black guy says "so this is what it's like to be pretty and white,"

So R10, your husband has deep lines in his face, droopy eyelids and looks about 15 years older than his actual age?

Why doesn't Ivanka use her high profile and contacts to create a foundation to help unwed poor young mothers? Oh, wait.

R13- Do you have a link to the video?

Being a vicious queen is a fate worse than death.

To be beautiful means to accept yourself.

You don't need to be accepted by others.

You need to accept yourself.

Thích Nhâ't Hanh

I wouldn't know.

99% of unattractive people are unattractive because they simply just don't try. They think that beauty, like success, just 'happens' and you either have it or you don't.

Not true. Get into a gym, lose weight, start a skin regimen (doesn't have to be expensive), get a flattering haircut, buy some decent clothes.

All of these will help your self-esteem. Then work on how you present yourself. Look people in the eye, stand with shoulders back - don't look like a wallflower and give off negative vibes unintentionally.

Take a look through these photos - they all share the same thing: lost weight, worked out, better haircut, and skincare.

R20- It's not always about going to a gym. I used to see a guy at SPLASH in NYC ca. 1996. He was GREAT looking. He was totally slim he did not lift weights. One night three guys went up to him to start a conversation. I was very attracted to him myself.

R21 - Some are born with it - but I bet he wouldn't have had as many suitors if he put on 25 pounds, let alone 50.

You don't have to be all muscles - that look has been over for more than a decade. Muscle Marys are not where it's at anymore.

I'm an unattractive woman. The first ten years of my childhood were great. However, at school, when my class reached age 11, suddenly girls' value was based on their looks. (Boys were judged on their perceived athleticism and to a lesser extent, their looks.) I was bullied daily through the end of high school, and even in my 20s, I was bullied by strangers when I went out in public. It's weird how many people wanted me to know how much they disliked my face, something over which I had zero control. In my 30s, I got really fit and had plastic surgery, and my life got better. I'm still not "hawt", but at least strangers aren't insulting me on the street anymore. Anyway it doesn't matter, because I'll soon be the age where women become invisible in this society, and that's OK with me.

What also sucks is that studies have shown that more attractive people are more likely to be hired, promoted, and paid more money. This applies to both men and women. Though in general, straight men get a free pass when it comes to weight and grooming.

I know that beautiful people don't have it great, either. Everyone wants to talk to them, and that's not always a good thing. They can't return everyone's friendliness and appreciation, and some creeps take it personality and deem the person "stuck up" or worse for not being friendly enough. (The beautiful people seem to attract the incels.) And, in the professional world, this can translate to sexual harassment.

Probably the best position in this society is to be plain or slightly above. Then you can blend in and not attract too much attention either way.

i fuck at least 20 ugly men everyday they are LUCKY

R23, there is way more benefit to being attractive than "plain, or slightly above"

Lol. Mmkay op.

It depends on what your values are and how hard you work. Less attractive people do have to work harder, and those who do are generally happier than others who rather coast on their looks. One thing is for sure. Aging is a lot more difficult for good looking people.

If you were ugly, but rich, there wouldn't be any sad story to tell.

Make money and attractiveness becomes secondary. Everything about everyone is about money.

No. I’ve gotten used to it. And I’m blessed with a delightful personality.

OP = POTUS

I’m pretty sure every good looking man on here has an “ugly sex” story to tell. Top here. All the men/guys filed under ugly-sex for me gave the best oral, all the way around, worked really hard to make sure you were satisfied, bareback - before prep or just plain no-prep, and just let you take out your most aggressive fuck on them. No whining or complaining about hurting.

It's so great that ugly men exist for you to abuse R32. You're so kind.

I have no idea how I objectively look. I think I don’t look bad at all. Some men thing I’m amazingly handsome; some think I look hideous. In NY, no one gives in a second look. In Chicago, men are all over me.

I can’t figure it out

Some of the most mind blowing sex I have had has been with not so great looking men.

And some of the worst sex I’ve had has been with stunning men.

R13, Yes, MikeG is pretty in a typical worked out Italian guy way

R12 has been "32" since 1985.

[R33] They kept getting in touch with me for more. Obviously had a good time. I was the one seduced by the way in every case. P.S: I forgot to mention, I came inside them, no pulling out. The couple of guys that did talk about “safe”, I’d pull out, cum on their hole then push it back in (before it became popular on porn).

R36- Can you post a link to that video with Mike G and grinder.

R37, seeing as how I was born on December 9, 1987, that's not possible.

R20, most of those pics are of adolescents who grew up. They aren't good examples of already-adults who have improved themselves, although I think OP is a nasty piece of shit for even reposting something she found on Reddit.

Me thinks the OP has a case of the opposite of Body Dysmorphic Disorder.

(We [italic]know[/italic] what you look like, and it ain’t pretty…)

For you R16

Thank you R43

R44, MikeG has a zillion videos on YouTube. (Some of them are shirtless!). He’s desperate to become an influence. He used to bartend at the Abbey, the gay bar in WeHo

I don't consider myself to be that great looking but I'm not ugly and I have gotten laid plenty of times and no I never paid for sex.

R45- He would be hot if he weren't so QUEENY.

I am pretty sure it's worse being poor or a Mexican.

Having to compensate by developing a good sense of humor and successful career can do wonders for a person.

I’m average. I’ve had lots of sex and am in a long-term relationship. I’ve been called ugly in my life. I could care less. I’ve learned that personality makes ugly into fuckable.

As we age it feels like being attractive becomes a reflection of economic privilege in some ways. Having the time and energy to exercise, the resources for healthy food, healthcare, grooming, dental care and cosmetic surgery. The people I know who seem to be aging the worst are stressed out, often overweight and have health, mental health and financial issues. After awhile they just gave up on their appearance because it’s too overwhelming for them to tackle.

Not being attractive at all can in some instances be very important for the economy and human advancement in general. If we go back in time and make Jeff Bezos an impossibly handsome teenager who is spending all his free time having sex and partying, I most likely wouldn't have had 2-day Amazon Prime delivery during a pandemic. Thanks, Jeff, for your overcompensation.

i dated many uber hot porn gods and half of them o d'd and others just became bums.....alas....

R51 - nah - that's bullshit. There's a lot you can do that doesn't cost much money. Healthy meals do not cost more than fast food. Planet Fitness memberships are $10 a month.

That's just an excuse.

I think life is best when you're a 7 or 8. But you can easily raise from a 4 to a 6 or 7 with some effort.

For me, beauty really does come from within. A genuine, sincere, caring, friendly, funny person is much more endearing than simply someone with a handsome or pretty face who is shallow, insecure, or dishonest. Pretty people become unattractive quickly when there is ugliness inside. Same for "unattractive" people. When they are smart, fun, or whatever, and you find you love them for how if feels to be with them, then they become truly beautiful.

R55 - attraction is how you make the other person or viewer from afar 'feel'. People are attracted to those who are supportive, friendly, and laugh frequently.

That 'within' you're speaking of it the feeling that other person makes you feel.

It's hard to develop - some people are just born with it. But, in general, if you listen to people, don't criticize them, are fun, and supportive, people will be drawn to you for what you are giving them.

On the other hand, if this skill feels unnatural, then it can feel like a job. Fuck it, I'm drunk - I'm not sure if what I said was true.

That's cope, R52. Even Jeff Bezos isn't a bad looking guy.

No one truly ugly makes it big. Except for maybe Lil Wayne.

[20] is right on. I'M 5'6', average looks, but everything changed for me when I started to work out. Superficial, yeah...but it helped me meet plenty of guys until I found my husband 20 years ago. And it didn't hurt to have a big dick, but that was something I had no control over.

Yes, it is.

I’m plain looking but successful. My brother was a really, really handsome youth but attached so much meaning to his looks that he is really struggling without them now that he has aged like we all have. He is a sweet guy, but he has wasted a lot of energy and money chasing faded glory with big veneers (that aged and cracked and had to be replaced at a much higher cost than the first set), a lopsided eye lift and bletharplasty that left him with a menacing squint like President Trump’s, really painful and drastic laser skink resurfacing that left his face more doll-like and strangely artificial looking, and all sorts of other poor choices. He’s a sweet guy, but I don’t envy him. I think it might be harder in some ways to have once been beautiful and, then, simply not anymore. And for guys with cosmetic procedures, people can sense when you’ve done that and it can lower perceptions of you. So I’m with the posts above that espouse taking care of what you have, and build a broader identity than one based on looks alone. That’s an old platitude but holds true for now.

if u have $$$, u can buy any hot man or woman u want.

if ur hot, u can sell ur puss/hiney to these rich fuks. i used to sell mine, now i buy hot str8 ass all over the world, sit in fancy hotel bars and pick em up. $$$ speaks dear boys.

Funny how half of Datalounge comes out suddenly kind-hearted gents who think "building an identity" is more important than looks. When they spend all day drooling over unattainably attractive men. The hypocrisy.

Beauty is everything. People just don't want to admit the social fascism that fat, ugly, unattractive, etc people have to live under, a fascism which they take part in themselves.

"Beauty is everything. People just don't want to admit the social fascism that fat, ugly, unattractive, etc people have to live under, a fascism which they take part in themselves."

Please, plenty of CEOs, powerful politicians are unattractive - yes, beautiful people are treated better in our society, but that doesn't mean everyone who is average or worse is doomed

"When they spend all day drooling over unattainably attractive men. The hypocrisy."

Lusting after hot people does not mean you think less-than-hot people are not deserving of love or respect. Even plain looking people manage to date and get married

Lusting after hot people means that people DO value looks over building a personality R63. Which is why half the men posting here are rank hypocrites.

r64, huh? Lusting after someone does not mean you think they're a good person

[quote]Get thine ass to the gym and make your body sexy. Then get an expensive haircut and some updated threads. There is always something you can do.

You think just because you made a little money you can get a new hairdo and some expensive clothes and turn yourself into a lady. But you can't, because you'll never be anything but a common frump whose father lived over a grocery store and whose mother took in washing.

R12 your black so you’re no 10, and you sound like a sociopath.

Lusting after hot people does not mean you think less-than-hot people are not deserving of love or respect.

That's exactly what it means, doofus.

R67, I guarantee I am hotter than you by miles. Let's both post our pictures?

Ugly people never shake their insecurity about being ugly. The worst are ugly people who spend a fortune on their bodies and clothes, are still ugly, but constantly go on about how hot they are.

Bitch, we have eyes. You still fug.

I am very ugly but I don't care any more as I'm old and past it.

The worst fate is being born poor, not very clever, and slightly above average in looks but they don't help because the childhood is so crushing in a dysfunctional family.

The worst thing is being ugly on the inside. It makes everyone around you sick, and it's often much harder to fix than a few physical flaws. For many, no matter how attractive, ugly on the inside is a deal breaker.

You may find some people to fuck you, but they really don't wish to stick around. These people never have real friends either. Some conventionally unattractive types can be very sexy, and attractive in different ways.

Desirability is hardly the default condition. The majority of people are relatively ugly and undesirable once they're past a certain age; sometimes that age is as early as mid-20s.

You can never be too beautiful or too thin.

How the fuck would I know?

Being an ugly gay man is a fate worse than death.