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Jeremy Corbyn suspended by UK Labour party

The #UK's main opposition Labour party has suspended its former leader Jeremy #Corbyn, after a government watchdog found his office broke equality law through its "inexcusable" handling of anti-Semitism complaints

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by Anonymousreply 31411/23/2020

Good.

by Anonymousreply 110/29/2020

How high?

by Anonymousreply 210/29/2020

At the risk of sounding naive and stupid, how did such an awful man ascend to Labour's leadership? His snarling racism was barely hidden, almost like Trump's or maybe intended to mirror?

I'm an American and from what I recall Ed Milliband was a boring, dutiful milquetoast. But not a bad person. How did it go from one to the other?

Apologies if I mistook or misinterpreted. I post here b/c I want to read what you have to say.

How did Labour come off the rails? Didn't its constituents flee their home countries to get away from the violrnce

Pam Anderson visiting the horrible, dirty Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy

by Anonymousreply 310/29/2020

R3, unlike in the US, the Brits of the Left are proud communists. They hated NuLabour and vowed to take back their party. They address each other as comrade. Communists hate Jews. Brits have always hated Jews. This shit is historical. They still don’t see anti-Israel sentiment, which then goes straight into Jewish conspiracies as antisemetic. They’re completely brainwashed. Jews to them are privileged white people who do underhanded things.

by Anonymousreply 410/29/2020

How will DL fave Owen Jones reacted to this considered he spent the last several years as JC biggest cheerleader?

by Anonymousreply 510/29/2020

He’ll be mercilessly harassed by homophobes whatever he does, R5.

by Anonymousreply 610/29/2020

What’s really needed is actually an investigation into the rampant homophobia that exists in all aspects of British life.

by Anonymousreply 710/29/2020

Although it certainly exists - the level of homophobia in the UK is incomparable to the relentless and deeply ingrained homophobia found in all parts of the US R7. Particularly the religious institutions and areas. Let's not forget that there are over 100 million Evangelical Christians in the US...

by Anonymousreply 810/29/2020

As R4 stated, Britain's Jew hatred is ancient and entrenched. That Corbyn continued to lead unchallenged for years is further evidence of that Jew hatred.

They should suspend every single member of Labour who unashamedly voted for Corbyn as leader. Twice!

by Anonymousreply 910/29/2020

[quote] Although it certainly exists - the level of homophobia in the UK is incomparable to the relentless and deeply ingrained homophobia found in all parts of the US [R7]. Particularly the religious institutions and areas. Let's not forget that there are over 100 million Evangelical Christians in the US...

That’s what makes it worse: it’s untethered from organized religion yet still rampant.

by Anonymousreply 1010/29/2020

It was only two years before the US that marriage equality was legalised in England and Wales, despite it being a much easier legal process there.

Only a year before in Scotland (more homophobic).

And only last year in Northern Ireland (done by the British government).

by Anonymousreply 1110/29/2020

[quote] How will DL fave Owen Jones reacted to this considered he spent the last several years as JC biggest cheerleader?

By supporting Corbyn naturally. All the big news channels felt the need to invite an anti Jewish racist on for ‘balance’ yesterday to defend Corbyn, simply to provide balance.

Jones’ paper The Guardian today have run a cartoon by a notorious racist (who has previously depicted Jews in ovens) with Corbyn’s head on a platter held by Keir Starmer - clearly a homage to lovely John the Baptist killed by horrible jewess Salome. Even more despicable after yesterday’s events in Paris.

It really feels like a dark cloud has lifted over the Labour Party. There are still Jew obsessive cranks in its ranks but light is the best disinfectant there.

Polling also shows the public approve of Corbyn being suspended.

by Anonymousreply 1210/29/2020

R3 Corbyn was s throwback to an era of open-necked, Marxist militants of the 70s. He didn’t realize that Britain had become a nation of small business owners firm mom and pop stores to man in a van outfits, working hard and making a living, who were not interested in h as bing the state tax them into penury.

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by Anonymousreply 1310/29/2020

What percentage of Labour party members would ya’ll say are homophobic?

Are they mostly bleeders or people?

by Anonymousreply 1410/29/2020

Why is the Misogyny Troll trying to hijack a thread about anti Jewish racism and turn it into homophobia?

START YOUR OWN FUCKING THREAD YOU PUTZ.

by Anonymousreply 1510/29/2020

Britain is far from a progressive utopia.

It’s worse than the US.

by Anonymousreply 1610/29/2020

[quote]Even more despicable after yesterday’s events in Paris.

R12 What beheading? According to The Gaudrian, "A knife attacker kills three people in Nice". Another fetish to protect.

by Anonymousreply 1710/29/2020

Ridiculous R16!

by Anonymousreply 1810/29/2020

I saw an article about this from The Guardian posted on Facebook, and almost all the commenters seemed to be Labour Party sympathizers who support Corbyn. That seems to support the claims here that Brits overall are antisemites.

I’ll never forget when I did a short study abroad at Cambridge, I met a local guy on gay.com and we got into conversation in person. He told me that “we’re not racist like you are. Here, a black person is just a black person, but over there, everyone is racist against black people. We don’t really have racism like that. Everyone here is just British. Except the Pakis. We hate them!”

by Anonymousreply 1910/29/2020

People who hate Jews always hate gay men too.

The homophobia from the left of Labour stems from a Maoist worldview. There is no equivalent in the Democratic party. They are much better at policing homophobia than Labour.

Gay men are pushed to the bottom of the stack.

by Anonymousreply 2010/29/2020

R19

That’s correct. The American left acknowledge racism and homophobia in the US. The British often deny it and claim it’s non-existent because it’s ‘worse in the US’.

by Anonymousreply 2110/29/2020

I once started a thread on a Labour MP that Muriel deleted who was defending parents protesting against a gay teacher and inclusive sex education.

by Anonymousreply 2210/29/2020

This site is wild - there will be thread after thread decrying ‘cancel culture’ and how damaging it is to people and our culture and society and those within it, here we have a clear cut example of someone standing up to cancel culture, and you’re all co-signing his being canceled.

The crimes that have been outlined in the report are all crimes that happened in the aftermath of the supposed ‘anti Semitic’ events - and are more crimes of mismanagement of a situation with allegations of racist crimes as its subject matter rather than racist crimes themselves.

Is it just a bunch of right wing trolls commenting so far?

by Anonymousreply 2310/29/2020

R22 The thread was deleted because the parents protesting against the gay teacher were Muslim.

by Anonymousreply 2410/29/2020

[quote]supposed ‘anti Semitic’ events

Owen Jones posts on DL???

by Anonymousreply 2510/29/2020

R3 here. Another bit of naivete: I had no idea Labour, either by word or deed, is so homophobic. It seems to mirror white populism in the U.S., except Labour has a more diverse constituency than the GOP here does: a virulent strain of uneducated whites and financial opportunists of all stripes

by Anonymousreply 2610/29/2020

[quote] Is it just a bunch of right wing trolls commenting so far?

Some are, yes.

I’ve only commented on how this intersects with homophobia.

Some of them just want to taken down any left of center figure.

I’d like for the British left to become more Americanized.

by Anonymousreply 2710/29/2020

One of the Jews who Jeremy Corbyn palled up with was a notoriously anti gay religious nut who supported the Muslim protests on sex education. Also at the meeting was Corbyn's racist wife and another Labour MP who was accused of singing Hey Jude with the words changed to Hey Jews.

FLUSH!

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by Anonymousreply 2810/29/2020

It’s a different type of homophobia in Britain.

US homophobia comes most strongly from well-organized Evangelical churches. They’re much smaller in Britain.

Normally, as the young drift from their parents religion in the US they drop the homophobia too. But in Britain the homophobia exists with the Bible as justification so it’s harder to eradicate.

by Anonymousreply 2910/29/2020

[quote]This site is wild - there will be thread after thread decrying ‘cancel culture’ and how damaging it is to people and our culture and society and those within it, here we have a clear cut example of someone standing up to cancel culture, and you’re all co-signing his being canceled. The crimes that have been outlined in the report are all crimes that happened in the aftermath of the supposed ‘anti Semitic’ events - and are more crimes of mismanagement of a situation with allegations of racist crimes as its subject matter rather than racist crimes themselves. Is it just a bunch of right wing trolls commenting so far?

CRANKETY CRANK, CRANKETY CRANK!

CRANKETY CRANK!

CRANKETY CRANK!

by Anonymousreply 3010/29/2020

If Corbyn had been as viciously anti-homo (or anti-Muslim) as he was anti-Jewish, he wouldn't have been elected as Labour leader. THAT'S how acceptable Jew hatred is in Britain.

by Anonymousreply 3110/29/2020

[quote][R3] here. Another bit of naivete: I had no idea Labour, either by word or deed, is so homophobic. It seems to mirror white populism in the U.S., except Labour has a more diverse constituency than the GOP here does: a virulent strain of uneducated whites and financial opportunists of all stripes

Labour is nowhere near as bad as the Misogyny Troll claims.

When Blair's government were liberalising laws on gay rights in the 2000s he personally came under huge pressure from the Catholic Church to put in a clause to allow Catholic adoption agencies to be exempt from discrimination laws, meaning they could refuse their services to gay couples. He was warned that Catholic adoption agencies would close and staff would lose their jobs if the exemptions weren't given.

Blair refused, his government made clear equality law applied to everyone and the law was passed. The adoption agencies closed. Few tears were shed.

by Anonymousreply 3210/29/2020

Tony Blair is currently despised by most Labour members.

by Anonymousreply 3310/29/2020

R13, I absolutely agree. The Labour Party made a big mistake in opening the leadership election process to the membership rather than at the annual Conference. The party has pockets of hard line throwback Trotskyists at constituency level, which are virulently anti-Israel. They conflate Israel’s many faults with individual Jews, and cook up childish conspiracy theories that any sensible person would rightly dismiss. Left anti-Semitism is a real problem, but the Corbyn leadership ignored the consequences it would have for the party’s reputation because it was in sympathy with bigots.

by Anonymousreply 3410/29/2020

[quote] If Corbyn had been as viciously anti-homo (or anti-Muslim) as he was anti-Jewish, he wouldn't have been elected as Labour leader. THAT'S how acceptable Jew hatred is in Britain.

No, homophobia is still acceptable.

There are also simply more Muslims than Jews or gay men in the UK.

Gay men will always be oppressed because we are so small numerically.

by Anonymousreply 3510/29/2020

[quote] Labour is nowhere near as bad as the Misogyny Troll claims.

This is British homophobia. Attacking gay men who call out homophobia using left-wing language.

by Anonymousreply 3610/29/2020

R35 Muslims are the excuse. Cultural Jew hatred is the crux.

by Anonymousreply 3710/29/2020

According to Brits, gay men are problematic: they’re misogynistic! We’re the real problem, sure...

by Anonymousreply 3810/29/2020

There is zero critique from anywhere in Labour of their MPs who voted against marriage equality.

Look them up.

And vote them out next election.

by Anonymousreply 3910/29/2020

This is the experience of a Jewish man who worked with Corbyn and the Labour Party.

[quote]It quickly became apparent that judgement was wrong. As I worked with Corbyn and his team, I became acutely aware that some saw me not just in terms of my political or policy beliefs, but in terms of my Jewishness.

[quote]This was clear in both what they did and did not do. It was clear when, after discovering I was Jewish, an aide spent a two-hour train-ride quizzing me about my views on Israel, not as an equal participant in a conversation about foreign policy, but as an employee being tested to see if my views on Israel were the predicable views of a Jew. It was clear when despite repeatedly pushing for swift, clear and heartfelt condemnations of anti-Semitism, I found the few condemnations that were issued were never swift, clear, or it seemed to me, heartfelt.

If your reaction to reading this it to just say ITS A SMEAR!"!!!! then you really are a part of the problem.

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by Anonymousreply 4010/29/2020

Owen Jones has written a few critical bits on Corbyn.

He was attacked for all of them — far and above any reasonable level. The attacks were just homophobia.

by Anonymousreply 4110/29/2020

Can the political parties in the US suspend its members like in the UK?

by Anonymousreply 4210/29/2020

In Britain homophobia goes: gay men are misogynistic

In the US homophobia goes: gay men are an abomination

One is declining, one is rising.

by Anonymousreply 4310/29/2020

R26 I think you’re mixed up. The financial opportunists of course support the conservatives, the richer people. I have lots of gay friends living in London and they all vote labour. I know it’s anecdotal but it is nonetheless true. No gay man worth their salt would vote conservative.

by Anonymousreply 4410/29/2020

[quote] In the US homophobia goes: gay men are an abomination

No. In both the UK and the US: white cis gay men are responsible for all the ills of the world.

by Anonymousreply 4510/29/2020

R45 I beg to differ.

by Anonymousreply 4610/29/2020

True. Here’s some purely British homophobia.

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[quote][R26] I think you’re mixed up. The financial opportunists of course support the conservatives, the richer people. I have lots of gay friends living in London and they all vote labour. I know it’s anecdotal but it is nonetheless true. No gay man worth their salt would vote conservative.

That's bullshit.

There are plenty of gay men who vote Conservative, whether they make it public or not is another matter. David Cameron's speech "I support gay marriage because I'm a Conservative" speech detoxified the party somewhat. Theresa May was in favour of passing laws on self ID for trans people until pesky women started kicking up a fuss.

If you think all gay people feel the same about Brexit, immigration, taxation, child poverty, the Covid response etc then you live in a very shielded world. Gay men are some of the most selfish and intolerant people around.

by Anonymousreply 4810/29/2020

[quote] Gay men are some of the most selfish and intolerant people around.

Oh, look more British homophobia.

by Anonymousreply 4910/29/2020

[quote] Gay men are some of the most selfish and intolerant people around.

Do you want to try that sentence with Jews or Muslims, you disgusting homophobe?

by Anonymousreply 5010/29/2020

Marriage is between a man and a woman.

by Anonymousreply 5110/30/2020

R51 Signed: Julia Gillard, Former Australian PM, Born in the UK.

by Anonymousreply 5210/30/2020

Meanwhile BBC employees have just been banned from attending Pride.

Seriously. Look it up.

Even Fox News hasn’t done that.

by Anonymousreply 5310/30/2020

All hate towards gay men is acceptable in Britain if you just attach ‘misogynistic’ or ‘white’ before it.

by Anonymousreply 5410/30/2020

Putty needed an far leftist nobody would vote for to enable his preferred candidate Boris to make Brexit happen. A weak EU is good for Putty.

Corbyn did the same thing in the UK what Bernie did in the US.

by Anonymousreply 5510/30/2020

[italic]“It was an honor to share such a lovely and wide-reaching conversation with you, @jeremycorbyn!”[/italic]

#AlwaysOnCamera

by Anonymousreply 5610/30/2020

For all its faults the Conservative Party in the UK is more sane and tolerant of gays and racial minorities than the still fucked up Labour Party. Corbyn was an old style Marxist making an alliance with new style regressive left types, also Marxists, in the party. It's a fucking mess. I know white and mixed race, and South Asian gay men in the UK who voted Conservative in the last two elections because they couldn't stand Cornyn et al. Labour suffered a resounding defeat in the last election not just because of Corbyn but because of that whole wing of the Labour Party.

by Anonymousreply 5710/30/2020

Just a British dyke saying gay men are the most racist and sexist people in the world:

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by Anonymousreply 5810/30/2020

Who the fuck are these people? Do they have any real members? Among Labour MPs? Or are they just a shell social media thing?

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by Anonymousreply 5910/30/2020

R4 this might be the dumbest thing I've read. Ever.

The Jews were forerunners in the Russian communist movement against the Tzar. Jewish people were oppressed under Stalin ect but they had their own proud communist tradition.

The Brits are whatever the fucking opposite of communists are.

Democratic Socialism (and barely socialist at that) isn't fucking communism you ignorant turd.

Please die.

by Anonymousreply 6010/30/2020

Not every criticism of Owen Jones criticism is homophobia. There are people who campaign within the Labour party who do not like him because he has been known to treat people like dirt. What kind of person taunts another working class person within the party for not sounding as working class as he is - she is, she has a different accent due to the town in which she lived. Even so, what does it matter? He sounds like an immature fool trying to gain points for purity of some sort.

by Anonymousreply 6110/30/2020

Yeah, and the Democrats are pedophiles! NYAH!

by Anonymousreply 6210/30/2020

R60, Corbyn is an anti-Semitic, hard-left, pompous piece of shit who lost Labour millions of votes. Thankfully, he is now toast, although he and his acolytes will continue to do their best to destroy the Labour party in the vain hope that they can control it.

Corbyn's rule was a dark chapter in the party's history.

by Anonymousreply 6310/30/2020

The UK far left is divided between the nutters, who inhabit and run a host of endlessly splitting micro-parties that no-one ever votes for, and the semi-realists. The latter hang on in the Labour party, as they accept that explicitly far left parties go nowhere. Their approach is to try to take over Labour's leadership and internal structures, believing that, eventually, maybe next time, maybe some time, an election will bring Labour to power with them in control. This is why they are only semi-realists - they can't grasp that the first part of this approach, them in control, means the second, winning an election, will never happen. The Corbyn era was the absolute demonstration of this.

by Anonymousreply 6410/30/2020

R63 Corbyn would have been worse even than Tony Blair and that was Labours lowest point in power in recent times.

by Anonymousreply 6510/30/2020

[quote] Not every criticism of Owen Jones criticism is homophobia.

But most are. Because he attracts far more than others who write exactly the same thing.

That’s homophobia.

That needs to be investigated too.

by Anonymousreply 6610/30/2020

r66 Hi Owen!

by Anonymousreply 6710/30/2020

[quote]Tony Blair was Labour's lowest point in power in recent times.

Why R65?

by Anonymousreply 6810/30/2020

Blair wasn't Labour's 'lowest point in power in recent times'; it was its only point in power in recent times..

by Anonymousreply 6910/30/2020

That's what I would have thought too R69.

by Anonymousreply 7010/30/2020

R68 Weapons of mass destruction.

by Anonymousreply 7110/30/2020

[quote]For all its faults the Conservative Party in the UK is more sane and tolerant of gays and racial minorities than the still fucked up Labour Party.

It's not, the Conservatives are the ones largely behind the anti trans and anti LGBT movements, as evidenced by the BBC just yesterday announcing their employees cannot attend Pride events anymore because it's "virtue signalling" (their words) and political and makes them biased. Not trans events, Pride events, anything to do with the L, G, B and/or T. The whole community.... because that's what this anti trans stuff always was about, a gateway to making being gay and lesbian controversial and political again, opening it up to attacks from political and media sources.

The "no Pride because it's virtue signalling" is not an edict that comes from Labour, that comes straight from the Conservatives who have been infiltrating the BBC for the last several years.

That doesn't even account for the Conservative Party's wholesale racism, sexism, anti immigration stances, and their pro-death COVID stance, their denial of providing food to hungry children, and all of the rest of it.

Absolute fucking hogwash that anyone would dare try to say that the Conservatives are more liberal than Labour in any aspect.

by Anonymousreply 7210/30/2020

R72

I suspect they’re some of the same trolls who say Trump is better for gays than Biden.

by Anonymousreply 7310/30/2020

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by Anonymousreply 7410/30/2020

[quote]Just a British dyke saying gay men are the most racist and sexist people in the world:

Kerry Anne Mendoza is one of the nastiest alt left media types, who is so far left she mixes with far right Neo Nazis and Holocaust deniers.

She's so repulsive even Owen Jones distanced himself from her.

Naturally she's an obsessive Jew hater who was invited on to the BBC yesterday to give the racist point of view and did so using racist tropes about Jews.

by Anonymousreply 7510/30/2020

She also called him a 'kiss-ass' when he spoke out together with two other gay men.

Dog-whistlin'

by Anonymousreply 7610/30/2020

Of all the cases about Labour anti Jewish racism, the one that really stands out to me was Kayla Bibby, a woman from Liverpool, the most sectarian city in England, one of the hotspots of Jew hate. Luciana Berger and Louise Ellman were MPs for Liverpool constituencies and both left the Labour party over this.

Kayla Bibby posted the image below, something that you would have seen in the 1930s. Complaints were made about the image, but it was deemed not to be anti Jewish but anti Israel.

This was despite the fact there was clear evidence that Bibby had literally messaged the people running a neo nazi website who had hosted the image originally and asked for version she could share on Facebook.

A LABOUR MEMBER WAS IN CONTACT WITH A NAZI SITE TO GET A NAZI ERA IMAGE AND SHE WAS ALLOWED TO REMAIN IN THE LABOUR PARTY.

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by Anonymousreply 7710/30/2020

Glasgow is probably the most anti-Semitic and homophobic large city in Britain.

by Anonymousreply 7810/30/2020

[quote]Blair wasn't Labour's 'lowest point in power in recent times'; it was its only point in power in recent times..

In the last 50 years only two Labour leaders have won a general election.

Harold Wilson, who had a majority of 3 in 1974

Tony Blair, who had majorities of 179, 167 and 66 in 1997, 2001 and 2005.

Last year Jeremy Corbyn led Labour to its 4th defeat in a row, it worst loss in over 80 years.

FLUSH.

by Anonymousreply 7910/30/2020

The media was harder on Corbyn than May, because he was a man.

by Anonymousreply 8010/30/2020

R72, we can blame Corbyn for much of Boris's 80-seat majority.

by Anonymousreply 8110/30/2020

A decent Labour leader would almost certainly won in 2017 and 2019. Of course, if there had been a decent Labour leader, the Tories would never have gone to the polls in 2017 or 2019.

by Anonymousreply 8210/30/2020

Sums up the Corbyn cult.

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by Anonymousreply 8310/30/2020

Yes, Tracey Ullman is a delight.

by Anonymousreply 8410/30/2020

Meanwhile in Wales, Sahar Al-Faifi, as blatant an antisemite as you can get, has been selected as a Plaid candidate for the Senedd elections next year.

To coincide with this, Plaid have announced an internal review into antisemitism, to make sure it has a zero approach to antisemitism.

Bunch of cunts.

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by Anonymousreply 8510/30/2020

What exactly does "suspended" mean in this context? Literally fired from his job?

by Anonymousreply 8610/30/2020

[quote]What exactly does "suspended" mean in this context? Literally fired from his job?

It means that his membership of the Labour Party is suspended for the duration of the investigation - for this period he is not a member of the Labour Party. He remains an member of Parliament but is not currently classed as a Labour MP, but an independent.

There are now 3 outcomes.

1. His suspension is lifted and he returns to the Labour whip

2. He is expelled from the Labour party

3. He leaves Labour of his own volition and sits as an independent or forms a new political party with small group of MPs with other like minded Jew obsessed cranks.

by Anonymousreply 8710/30/2020

Anyone who fucked Diane Abbott is not tight in the head.

by Anonymousreply 8810/30/2020

Diane Abbott was radiant when she was younger.

A shame she's turned into a someone who wears two left shoes.

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by Anonymousreply 8910/30/2020

R78 I’ve read some stupid sentences on here but I think yours takes the biscuit.

I’m guessing it’s not worth asking, but out of interest what did you measure to come up with this most redundant of statements?

R48 as I said no gay men worth their salt would vote conservative. Im sure there are some that did but they’re like the UK gaysfortrump i.e. total nightmares lol.

Most everyone commenting on this thread are in some kind of suspended dreamland where they need to feel like your average UK citizen is a neo-nazi anti gay werewolf that hunts gay Jewish people at night. Sorry to snatch the drama away but it doesn’t hold up to any investigation.

In brief some other truisms:

Knowledge of Marx does not make you a Marxist.

UK Labour Party is not comprised of ‘Trotskyists’.

As another commenter said, democratic socialism is not communism.

Just because one lesbian says gay men are misogynistic does not mean the entire Labour Party is homophobic, nor should it offend you so much you whine about the current state of the world.

You all need to chill out and stay away from the mushrooms, engage your imaginations in real things for a few days and quit this silly socio-political fantasy drama that’s playing out in your Twitter feeds.

by Anonymousreply 9010/30/2020

[quote][R48] as I said no gay men worth their salt would vote conservative. Im sure there are some that did but they’re like the UK gaysfortrump i.e. total nightmares lol.

Again, that's bullshit. There are currently 25 openly gay Tory MPs and plenty living in glass closets. Most of them are physically and intellectually repulsive but then look at some of the gay Labour MPs Lloyd Russell Moyle and Dan Carden. Equally abhorrent. Just as being openly gay is hugely uncontroversial in the UK, being a gay Tory is hugely uncontroversial.

There are some old queens for whom being a gay Tory is unfathomable, just as being a black Tory, an Asian Tory, a Muslim Tory is, but as Ruth Davidson showed, being gay is no barrier in the party.

Yes, a lot of Boris Johnson's cabinet didn't support same sex marriage at the time, and it only passed due to Labour and Lib Dem votes, but gay rights are firmly established in the UK. No one is talking about repealing same sex marriage legislation, stripping employment rights or adoption rights. Like abortion rights, no one is making a case for removal of rights except for a few fringe nutjobs.

The trans rights debacle has been handled very badly. Theresa May was in favour of quietly pushing through self ID but Stonewall and other trans groups were complacent and played their hand appallingly and were outsmarted by Mumsnet posters. Even LGBT inclusive education has mostly become a non partisan issue.

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[quote] No one is talking about repealing same sex marriage legislation, stripping employment rights or adoption rights.

Yes, there are. They’re feeling emboldened by their successful transphobia.

by Anonymousreply 9210/30/2020

[quote]Yes, there are. They’re feeling emboldened by their successful transphobia.

Who is? Provide a link to one credible news article where there is a serious proposal to scrap same sex marriage.

by Anonymousreply 9310/30/2020

There's no proposal by the current government to repeal marriage equality.

However, they also haven't taken any action from a MP who said a few months ago that marriage equality 'harmed women and girls'.

Once they're finished with trans women rad fems are going after gay men.

by Anonymousreply 9410/30/2020

R91 citing large numbers of closeted Tory MPs and reminding us that the conservatives voted against gay marriage doesn’t really do much for your argument. And we all know that just because there are gay members of certain political parties does not mean that said political party is pro-gay people. Self hating gays that are members of political organizations that enact damaging legislation towards the LGBT community are not worth their salt I.e. total nightmares. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 9510/30/2020

There's two I can think of at the moment who voted against the repeal of Section 28, I believe.

by Anonymousreply 9610/30/2020

[quote]However, they also haven't taken any action from a MP who said a few months ago that marriage equality 'harmed women and girls'.

Which MP said that?

by Anonymousreply 9710/30/2020

That was Baroness Nicholson. I think a couple of others supported the statement. There should still be a tweet.

by Anonymousreply 9810/30/2020

[quote][R91] citing large numbers of closeted Tory MPs and reminding us that the conservatives voted against gay marriage doesn’t really do much for your argument. And we all know that just because there are gay members of certain political parties does not mean that said political party is pro-gay people. Self hating gays that are members of political organizations that enact damaging legislation towards the LGBT community are not worth their salt I.e. total nightmares. Sorry.

Trans issues aside. what specific policies are being pushed by Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, Plaid etc that the Tories are opposed to?

David Cameron and Theresa May both apologised for the Tory record on anti gay rights. The Tories will rightly never lose that reputation, but I really can't see anything that is comparable to the Republican party and remove rights for gay people.

by Anonymousreply 9910/30/2020

[quote]That was Baroness Nicholson. I think a couple of others supported the statement. There should still be a tweet.

Firstly she's not an MP.

Secondly can haven't linked to a quote that says she wants to repeal same sex marriage and remove legal protections for same sex couples.

by Anonymousreply 10010/30/2020

[quote]Secondly can haven't linked to a quote that says she wants to repeal same sex marriage and remove legal protections for same sex couples.

Wow.

She must say the exact words 'I want to repeal marriage equality'? She said, in the year 2020, that marriage equality 'degrades women and girls'.

by Anonymousreply 10110/30/2020

She's still the Prime Minister's Trade Envoy to Kazakhstan.

(Who did she fuck to get that job? LOL.)

by Anonymousreply 10210/30/2020

Here's an anti marriage equality Tory TERF MP.

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Baroness Nicholson could use her position as a member of the House Of Lords to introduce legislation to remove rights for gay people. She hasn't.

She's made it clear she hasn't changed her mind on voting against gay rights, but you clearly said there were plans to remove gay rights. There aren't.

And Jackie Doyle Price supports civil partnerships but is opposed to gay marriage. Again I've not seen any evidence that she plans to introduce legislation to repeal same sex marriage and remove rights. Because she doesn't plan to.

You now account for 40% of the posts in a thread about anti Jewish prejudice by posting obsessively about trans issues. Congratulations.

by Anonymousreply 10410/30/2020

Do you understand how the British parliamentary system works?

If an MP says they want to kill gay men buts fails to introduce a PMB making it legal to do so are they not homophobic?

by Anonymousreply 10510/30/2020

[quote]And Jackie Doyle Price supports civil partnerships but is opposed to gay marriage.

This is homophobia BTW.

by Anonymousreply 10610/30/2020

R99 lol an apology does not change the entrenched ideologies that are present in an enormous amount of Conservative party members don’t be naive. The only reason they apologized is to maintain function in today’s society but they haven’t really made a sea-change.

And ‘trans issues aside’ doesn’t work for a discussion of anti LGBT policy sorry. You go against one you go against all. Anti trans policy is anti LGBT.

by Anonymousreply 10710/30/2020

It was always clear to Israel that, were he elected PM, Corbyn would have recognized an independent Palestine immediately.

The Israeli propaganda machine worked assiduously with the Board of Deputies of British Jews to smear Corbyn, ironically one of the the least anti-semitic leader of any major British political parties.

This, coupled with the hostility of "New Labour" to Jeremy Corbyn and Momentum, resulted in the relentless attacks on JC through the smear of anti-semitism. "New Labour" would rather have lost the election (they were instrumental to this end) than have a properly socialist Labour government. Now they are bent on a full purge.

Finally, Margaret Hodge is a ghastly individual and one hopes that the arc of justice is coming for her.

by Anonymousreply 10810/30/2020

[quote]The Israeli propaganda machine worked assiduously with the Board of Deputies of British Jews to smear Corbyn, ironically one of the the least anti-semitic leader of any major British political parties.

CRANKETY CRANK!

by Anonymousreply 10910/30/2020

You prove my point, R109. Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 11010/30/2020

R110, with its 'international conspiracy of the Jews' theories, thinks it has a point.

by Anonymousreply 11110/30/2020

There is really no point in engaging in these debates, but -- if you are in fact a human being rather than a paid shill -- I note that I spoke only if the Israeli government well-known propaganda division, rather than, as you put it, "an international conspiracy of the Jews." This slippage from a criticism of Israel to the accusation of antisemitism has become so normative that it barely deserves (this) notice.

As a member of "Jewish Voices for Peace" I understand, happily, the strength of pro-peace/two state feeling is among some members of the Jewish committee -- especially students -- and the crap that they have to deal with because they are supporting the Palestinian cause.

by Anonymousreply 11210/30/2020

This thread is about how rampant anti-Semitism was in the Labour party under Jeremy Corbyn, among his supporters, and how they had even broken the law. These are the findings of the UK's Equalities and Human Rights Commission, the kind of government body Jeremy Corbyn usually claims to support. Corbyn's reaction to the report is that it's a deliberate distortion intended as part of a political attack on him by his opponents in the party and the media.

This is entirely separate to the issue of Israel. Anyone bringing up Israel to dismiss the findings of this report and the problem of anti-Semitism in the Labour party under Corbyn or to claim this report has been devised as a political attack on Corbyn is a disgusting piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 11310/30/2020

[quote]There is really no point in engaging in these debates, but -- if you are in fact a human being rather than a paid shill -- I note that I spoke only if the Israeli government well-known propaganda division, rather than, as you put it, "an international conspiracy of the Jews." This slippage from a criticism of Israel to the accusation of antisemitism has become so normative that it barely deserves (this) notice.

[quote]As a member of "Jewish Voices for Peace" I understand, happily, the strength of pro-peace/two state feeling is among some members of the Jewish committee -- especially students -- and the crap that they have to deal with because they are supporting the Palestinian cause.

As a member of Jewish Voices For Peace, have you followed the hundreds of stories about Labour's problem with Jews (not Israel, Jews) and read the EHRC report from balanced news outlets?

Look at the image below, sourced from a neo nazi website, shared by a Corbyn supporter who was allowed to stay in the party. Is that anti Israel or anti Jewish.

Last week Jeremy Corbyn's biggest union supporter Len McCluskey told Jewish former MP Peter Mandelson (the architect of Tony Blair's 3 election wins) to "go into a room and count his gold". Was that criticism of Israel or a plain old racist trope?

Was Corbyn offering an anti Israel critique when he said of 2 British Jews "having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don’t understand English irony either"?

If you really are a Jew, then please read the EHRC report in full and think about it. If you really do believe that Jews and Israel are uniquely manipulative, deceitful and corruptive then maybe consider the hypothesis that Corbyn was paid by Mossad to destroy the Labour Party from within, because that's what he's been doing.

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[quote]There is really no point in engaging in these debates, but -- if you are in fact a human being rather than a paid shill -- I note that I spoke only if the Israeli government well-known propaganda division, rather than, as you put it, "an international conspiracy of the Jews." This slippage from a criticism of Israel to the accusation of antisemitism has become so normative that it barely deserves (this) notice.

[quote]As a member of "Jewish Voices for Peace" I understand, happily, the strength of pro-peace/two state feeling is among some members of the Jewish committee -- especially students -- and the crap that they have to deal with because they are supporting the Palestinian cause.

As a member of Jewish Voices For Peace, have you followed the hundreds of stories about Labour's problem with Jews (not Israel, Jews) and read the EHRC report from balanced news outlets?

Look at the image below, sourced from a neo nazi website, shared by a Corbyn supporter who was allowed to stay in the party. Is that anti Israel or anti Jewish.

Last week Jeremy Corbyn's biggest union supporter Len McCluskey told Jewish former MP Peter Mandelson (the architect of Tony Blair's 3 election wins) to "go into a room and count his gold". Was that criticism of Israel or a plain old racist trope?

Was Corbyn offering an anti Israel critique when he said of 2 British Jews "having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don’t understand English irony either"?

If you really are a Jew, then please read the EHRC report in full and think about it. If you really do believe that Jews and Israel are uniquely manipulative, deceitful and corruptive then maybe consider the hypothesis that Corbyn was paid by Mossad to destroy the Labour Party from within, because that's what he's been doing.

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By the way if anyone wants to read the Equality and Human Rights Commission's report, they can do so at the link below.

A reminder of the summary:

The investigation has identified serious failings in the Labour Party leadership in addressing antisemitism and an inadequate process for handling antisemitism complaints.

The Party is responsible for three breaches of the Equality Act (2010) relating to:

1. political interference in antisemitism complaints

2. failure to provide adequate training to those handling antisemitism complaints

3. harassment

The equality body’s analysis points to a culture within the Party which, at best, did not do enough to prevent antisemitism and, at worst, could be seen to accept it.

This is in direct contrast to the comprehensive guidance and training in place to handle sexual harassment complaints that demonstrates the Party’s ability to act decisively when it needs to, indicating that antisemitism could have been tackled more effectively.

The investigation states that the Party needs to instil a culture that encourages members to challenge inappropriate behaviour and to report antisemitism complaints.

The EHRC has warned that, despite some recent improvements, the Labour Party must do more if it is going to regain the trust of the Jewish community, the public and many of its members. It has set out clear, fair and achievable recommendations to help the Party make positive changes to its policies, processes and culture. The new leadership’s public commitment to implement our recommendations is welcome.

The Labour Party has until 10 December to draft an action plan to implement the recommendations, which is legally enforceable by the court if not fulfilled.

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by Anonymousreply 11610/30/2020

R115, given that you said this upthread, it’s to believe you actually care about hate:

[quote] Gay men are some of the most selfish and intolerant people around.

by Anonymousreply 11710/30/2020

Gay men are under attack politically and socially right now. There is now a socially acceptable way of silencing our voice. Until we defeat the homophobia that’s soaring in Britain, you'll have to excuse me for not being too interested in anti-Semitism or Jeremy Corbyn.

by Anonymousreply 11810/30/2020

Hello R115, As I am sure you know well, the Labour Party under Corbyn expanded dramatically. As Corbyn has explained countless times, of all of these members, complaints were launched against .03%. Lets play a little imaginative game. What percentage of Democratic voters in the USA might be -- from twitter, or instagram posts, or Facebook -- deemed to be racist, anti-semitic, etc. etc. A hell of a lot more. But does the American press attack Biden relentlessly for this? It does not. The question therefore becomes why? Why would a Labour Party that previously elected David Miliband as its leader (excellent choice) suddenly become an anti-semitic pit? Why these relentless attacks when we all know that the Tories are dripping with racism and anti-semitic spleen?

I will answer this question for both you and R115. It is because Jeremy Corbyn, who has devoted his life to anti-racist, anti-semitic, anti-apartheid (both in South Africa as well as Israel) politics would have recognized an independent Palestine the moment he was elected. It is painful for me to see individuals such as Margaret Hodge and Jonathan Sacks vilify Corbyn. This coupled with a power structure in the Labour Party that was still very much New Labour (or better, perhaps to say anti-Corbyn) and did everything they could to undermine a leader chosen by the members of the party. So it is not "just Israel" at all. Many Labour parliamentarians, etc etc, do not support the progressive policies that proved so popular when he almost won against May, and probably would have had he not been undermined by the party bureaucrats.

There is no "Jewish community" by the way. To argue that there is anti-semitic. You, R116, are an anti-semite! I hope you understand how idiotic indeed sad this line of thinking is.

On a related note, the EHRC was gutted by May and Johnson and is for many hardly a credible authority. Look up the article in the recent issue of the Jacobin for a full discussion.

by Anonymousreply 11910/30/2020

R78, I live in Glasgow, and that is news to me.

by Anonymousreply 12010/30/2020

You've made it very clear through your 45 posts in a thread about left wing anti Jewish racism that you don't care about left wing anti Jewish racism.

I'm just glad that British Jews care about gay rights and the role of Jewish MPs in changing the laws on gay rights has been integral. Jews support my rights and my safety. I will support them.

I know the NHS is under severe strain right now but you really should access their mental health services. I don't mean this in a bitchy way, but you clearly have unresolved personality issues. You really need support right now and posting obsessively on Datalounge is not going to help you get better.

by Anonymousreply 12110/30/2020

[quote]On a related note, the EHRC was gutted by May and Johnson and is for many hardly a credible authority. Look up the article in the recent issue of the Jacobin for a full discussion.

Jacobin?

Seriously?

Jacobin have notorious racists writing for it, especially in Britain, writers who have been rejected by The Guardian for being too obsessed with Jews.

Most notably Abi Wilkinson, famed for her twitter rants where she demands the right to call Jews Nazis and insists it's racist that she can't.

by Anonymousreply 12210/30/2020

[quote] [R78], I live in Glasgow, and that is news to me.

It’s a close-run thing. But Glasgow features elements like sectarianism, nationalism, and both hard-left First and Third Worldism combined on a larger relative scale than any other large city in Britain.

All those things add up to a homophobic atmosphere. Not necessarily intense, but you won’t have to dig as deep to find homophobic attitudes in people than you would in somewhere like Bath.

by Anonymousreply 12310/31/2020

Though organized religion is less impactful on people’s minds than in the US, there are, throughout Europe, more successful nationalist parties and (to a lesser extent) Stalinist style leftist movements. They’re not good for gays.

At least when people start to question talking snakes they question homophobia too. It’s harder to stop homophobia when it comes from Doctors and Professors saying gay men are responsible for ciswomen’s problems.

by Anonymousreply 12410/31/2020

There is usually a perfectly round Venn diagram between homophobia and transphobia. There’s a lot of that in Scotland too.

by Anonymousreply 12510/31/2020

I heard a story about Jeremy Corbyn making a bit too much of his brief relationship with Diane Abbott. He was helping with a by-election campaign, and he insisted on taking fellow activists to his house to pick up leaflets. The constituency office was closer, but he made them go to his house. When they got there Diane Abbott was in her dressing gown, having clearly spent the night with Corbyn. It says a lot about the man that he would be so thoughtless and ungallant just so he could brag about shagging a woman.

by Anonymousreply 12610/31/2020

I find their relationship cute!

by Anonymousreply 12710/31/2020

Glasgow is where George Galloway represented for a long time, isn't it?

by Anonymousreply 12810/31/2020

[quote]I heard a story about Jeremy Corbyn making a bit too much of his brief relationship with Diane Abbott. He was helping with a by-election campaign, and he insisted on taking fellow activists to his house to pick up leaflets. The constituency office was closer, but he made them go to his house. When they got there Diane Abbott was in her dressing gown, having clearly spent the night with Corbyn. It says a lot about the man that he would be so thoughtless and ungallant just so he could brag about shagging a woman.

It was worse than that, he wanted to show his friends how progressive he was by shagging a BLACK woman.

One of the friends went on record: "He wanted us to see her in his bed. She was shocked when we entered".

Poor Diane hasn't had much luck with men. She picked Tory MP Jonathan Aitken to be her son's godfather "because he was rich" and could use his connections. Her son became addicted to meth and has had severe mental health problems, attacking Abbott in her own house. and assaulting numerous health staff and police, including racially aggravated assault.

by Anonymousreply 12910/31/2020

Owen Jones called out this homophobia and was attacked for it by ciswomen.

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[quote]She picked Tory MP Jonathan Aitken to be her son's godfather "because he was rich" and could use his connections.

I forgot to say Jonathan Aitken was later sent to prison for perjury, after lying on oath during a libel case he'd taken out against reports of him being corrupt.

When he was in prison he discovered God. He has since been ordained in the Church of England and works as a prison chaplain.

by Anonymousreply 13110/31/2020

The hatred for Diane Abbott is a lot like the hatred for Owen Jones, i.e., so wildly disproportionate it can't be explained by anything but racism/homophobia.

by Anonymousreply 13210/31/2020

And speaking of vicious, unbridled hatred, George “Bradford is Judenrein” Galloway.

by Anonymousreply 13310/31/2020

The prevalence of debates about anti-Semitism and trans rights in British politics is so strange.

Don't try and think you're better than Americans ever again, okay, Britcunts.

by Anonymousreply 13410/31/2020

George Galloway is a disgusting man. If you need evidence, Google his speech praising Saddam Hussein. He had his tongue up Saddam’s arse.

by Anonymousreply 13510/31/2020

He is, unsurprisingly, transphobic.

by Anonymousreply 13610/31/2020

And he HATES Owen Jones.

by Anonymousreply 13710/31/2020

[quote] Jones’ paper The Guardian today have run a cartoon

It's "has run", "HAS RUN"!! It's only one newspaper, not multiple. You Brits' incorrect usage of the plural is most annoying.

by Anonymousreply 13810/31/2020

[quote]The prevalence of debates about anti-Semitism

Publicly highlighting British cultural/social Jew hatred is LONG overdue. By over an eon.

by Anonymousreply 13910/31/2020

But the prevalence OF anti-Semitism is also strange.

It's far greater than in the US.

But Britcunts love to smugly pretend they're more enlightened.

Do you know how weird it would be for sizable numbers of the Democratic party to make hating trans women and Jews key parts of their politics?

by Anonymousreply 14010/31/2020

[quote]George Galloway is a disgusting man. If you need evidence, Google his speech praising Saddam Hussein. He had his tongue up Saddam’s arse.

Galloway is a close friend and vocal supporter of Corbyn and Abbott.

Galloway also stood against Oona King, the second black woman elected as an MP who is also Jewish, and conducted the most disgusting racist campaign against her.

by Anonymousreply 14110/31/2020

The nasty sense of entitlement that most Brits have mean they refuse to engage in self-reflection about their own bigotry. They refuse to believe that other people could possibly be more progressive than them. That's why when someone does something they call out they're homophobia they accuse us of being 'misogynistic'.

by Anonymousreply 14210/31/2020

Homophobia, transphobia, anti-Semitism... they all go hand in hand.

by Anonymousreply 14310/31/2020

Euro Jew hatred is far older, completely culturally normalized and socially inculcated. It is, therefore, no coincidence that the extermination of the Jews happened in Europe.

by Anonymousreply 14410/31/2020

This was the leader in The Observer newspaper, the Sunday version of The Guardian, the weekend before the 2019 election.

[quote]But Labour’s gravest failing lies in the way Corbyn has handled the antisemitism crisis in his own party. Over three years, evidence has mounted of the institutional antisemitism, as defined by the Macpherson inquiry, that afflicts the party from the top down. The Jewish Labour Movement’s leaked submission to the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) includes sworn statements from more than 70 former staff members and details a series of horrifying allegations, including interference in the disciplinary process by Corbyn’s office. Corbyn himself has questioned the removal of an antisemitic mural and Jewish MPs have been bullied out of the party. During this campaign, Corbyn has made assertions about Labour’s processes that leaked documents appear to contradict. Corbyn has displayed a staggering lack of contrition or empathy.

[quote]It is disgraceful that more than 40 years after the Race Relations Act, both main parties are stained by charges of institutional racism. Many of our readers will be grappling with their consciences about voting for Labour. This is a sign that they take racism seriously, not that they care little about child poverty and homelessness.

[quote]On Thursday voters have the chance to strip power from a dangerous charlatan. We abhor Corbyn’s failures on antisemitism; we recall Lib Dem complicity in the dreadful policies of the coalition government; we are no allies of the cause of Scottish and Welsh independence. But we urge our readers to exercise their judgment and, as their conscience allows, vote for the pro-referendum, progressive candidate most likely to deny Johnson the opportunity to wreak existential damage on our country.

This is why I despise Corbyn. The alternative to Boris Johnson's racist anti European populist drivel was him, a Jew obsessed anti European populist.

I hate that Johnson was able to say "I'm racist? Look at Labour's leader!" whenever his lifelong history or racist and bigoted comments were raised.

When the Russian state launched the Novichok chemical attack in Salisbury, leading to the death of a vulnerable woman and a police officer with lifelong health conditions that meant he had to give up his job, Corbyn's response was to send Russia a sample of the Novichok so they could prove their innocence.

It's 2020 and nasty manipulative Jews are being blamed for plotting to bring down Jeremy Corbyn simply because he wants to feed hungry kids and stop homelessness and Palestine and get billionaires to pay a bit more tax. This message is out there. A new generation have been fed the lies that Jews are a malevolent force with centuries old tropes.

by Anonymousreply 14510/31/2020

[quote]At least when people start to question talking snakes they question homophobia too. It’s harder to stop homophobia when it comes from Doctors and Professors saying gay men are responsible for ciswomen’s problems.

This is such an important point. If you can wrap your homophobia up as a (left-wing) intellectual position rather than as a (right-wing) religious one, it becomes harder for people to challenge it. That's what ciswomen in Britain do.

by Anonymousreply 14610/31/2020

The Trans Troll is quoting his own posts to talk to himself.

CRANKETY CRANK, CRANKETY CRANK

SUPERTROLL SWEEP, SUPERTROLL SWEEP

by Anonymousreply 14710/31/2020

Corbyn hates talking about anti-Semitism, . As a poster earlier noted, he shifts as quickly as he can to him being 'against all racism', in a classic 'all lives matter' way. His supporters do the same thing.

by Anonymousreply 14810/31/2020

Corbyn's supporters claim he's the biggest anti-racist that ever lived. But for him, "anti-racism" is just rhetoric, it's like the communist rhetoric of "internationalism" when most communist countries are really quite nationalist. Corbyn is not just anti-Jewish, he's also anti-European and has a slight distaste for the different ways things are done in Europe. He only likes what's familiar and has never shown any interest in other cultures or an open mind to the world, except for Latin American revolutionaries, and IRA and Palestinian terrorists.

by Anonymousreply 14910/31/2020

[quote]Corbyn's supporters claim he's the biggest anti-racist that ever lived. But for him, "anti-racism" is just rhetoric, it's like the communist rhetoric of "internationalism" when most communist countries are really quite nationalist. Corbyn is not just anti-Jewish, he's also anti-European and has a slight distaste for the different ways things are done in Europe. He only likes what's familiar and has never shown any interest in other cultures or an open mind to the world, except for Latin American revolutionaries, and IRA and Palestinian terrorists.

Cornyn supports the regimes in Iran, who paid him regularly to appear on their propaganda channel, and China, which is why he's never spoken out against the genocide of the Uyghurs. He admires Putin and used to appear on Russia Today.

He is not a nice man.

by Anonymousreply 15010/31/2020

Here's a fact-check on the claim that Corbyn laid a wreath at the grave of (among others) two Palestinian terrorists behind in the 1972 Munich massacre of Israeli athletes. From his evasive phrasing, I'd say he probably was involved.

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This letter was published in the Liverpool Echo this week.

Amazing that "Robert Buckingham" didn't shoehorn a crucifixion reference in.

The genie is now out of the bottle. Jews are now seen by many on the left as being the enemy of socialism, so for lifelong Jew obsessed racists like Corbyn his tenure as leadership was not an ultimate disaster.

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by Anonymousreply 15210/31/2020

I stopped supporting Labour when Momentum gained power and won’t come back until there’s no chance they’ll have control of anything. The cultish blind allegiance to Corbyn (a man who only exudes mediocrity) is really similar to MAGAts in the US but on the opposite end of the political spectrum.

Anti-Semitism, racism and homophobia are alive and well in the UK, but as someone said above, they manifest often in more subtle but still firmly entrenched ways. The UK media loves to deflect these problems by producing documentaries about how crazy people are elsewhere. (Louis Theroux, Pier Morgan, Ross Kemp, et al). ‘See, we’re not them, so we don’t have those problems’ kind of logic. The denial is strong.

by Anonymousreply 15310/31/2020

Anyone up for an emergency march this afternoon?

Black shirts optional.

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by Anonymousreply 15410/31/2020

[quote]Anti-Semitism, racism and homophobia are alive and well in the UK, but as someone said above, they manifest often in more subtle but still firmly entrenched ways.

Yes. They refuse to believe they're bigoted, because... Iran or Texas or somewhere.

by Anonymousreply 15511/01/2020

It's now widely reported that Baroness Shami Chakrabarti is offering her legal expertise to Jeremy Corbyn as he fights his suspension.

That's the same Shami Chakrabarti who was commissioned by Corbyn in April 2016 to chair an independent inquiry it antisemitism in Labour.

She reported in June 2016 that there wasn't a serious problem

In September 2016 she became Baroness Chakrabarti of Kennington, following Jeremy Corbyn's nomination, despite him saying he wouldn't nominate anyone for membership of the House Of Lords.

In October 2016 Baroness Chakrabarti was appointed to Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet.

People in the UK look at the appointment of Amy Coney Barrett and think "that's corrupt!" but the Labour Party did something very similar with Baroness Chakrabarti.

FLUSH.

by Anonymousreply 15611/01/2020

Plus she's an annoying miserable cunt, R156. "That's not funny" is her go-to response watching any comedy.

by Anonymousreply 15711/01/2020

[quote]"That's not funny" is her go-to response watching any comedy.

Is she a lesbian?

by Anonymousreply 15811/01/2020

This photo is iconic.

They were probably complaining about how expensive it is to send their sons to private schools.

It was reported that Chakrabarti's son applied for Eton but was turned down so he's slumming it at yhe £18000 a year Dulwich College instead. When Abbott sent her son to the City Of London school it was only 10k a year but inflation means its now £19000 a year, but you do get school dinners included in that.

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by Anonymousreply 15911/01/2020

Ciswomen's hypocrisy knows no bounds.

by Anonymousreply 16011/01/2020

It has become clearer what happened. Starmer briefed Corbyn what he was going to say and was given the impression Corbyn wouldn't rock the boat. Then, after Starmer's statement, Corbyn released his inflammatory one; he was then given the chance to withdraw it and avoid suspension, but instead gave a press interview and repeated his claims. Hence his suspension, for bringing the Labour party into disrepute. Hopefully he'll be finally expelled (as should have happened a couple of decades ago). If any MPs resign in support, good riddance (as they no doubt said about the Change Party MPs). With the Tories' big majority it will hardly make any difference to Labour and gives plenty of time to choose new candidates. They won't of course, unfortunately, as they know far left-identified parties and independents get virtually zero support at the ballot box. They will stay and sulk and try to cause trouble, as Corbyn did for decades.

by Anonymousreply 16111/01/2020

Please die in a grease fire, R160

by Anonymousreply 16211/01/2020

Conservatives in the UK = Republicans in the US

I’ve literally seen them marching through the streets wearing next to no clothes with their guts hanging out banging on about how wonderful Boris Johnson in and how they don’t want no Communism. And it isn’t just a few, it’s tons. They’re completely brainwashed. They sound like Fox News viewers.

by Anonymousreply 16311/01/2020

Corbyn should be made to wear suspenders.

by Anonymousreply 16411/01/2020

[quote]Conservatives in the UK = Republicans in the US. I’ve literally seen them marching through the streets wearing next to no clothes with their guts hanging out banging on about how wonderful Boris Johnson in and how they don’t want no Communism. And it isn’t just a few, it’s tons. They’re completely brainwashed. They sound like Fox News viewers.

It's odd because the most prominent anti lockdown "Covid hoax" anti vaccine protester in the UK is none of that Piers Corbyn, Jeremy Corbyn's brother, who supports his brother's assertion that he's done nothing wrong and that the Jews are out to get him.

The recent protests have seen far right and far left join together in a very unholy alliance.

When Jeremy Corbyn claims with pride that his parents fought at the fascist anti Jewish demonstrations in Cable Street in 1936 I really do wonder what side they were on.

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[quote] I know white and mixed race, and South Asian gay men in the UK who voted Conservative in the last two elections because they couldn't stand Cornyn et al.

Yes, I saw a video where many people in Britain who supported Labour their whole lives refused to vote for the party because of Corbyn. They felt he was unwilling to listen to reason, wishy washy, arrogant, didn't attract good people, etc. All of which is correct. And then you had British Twitter erupting in shock and anger when Labour lost lol. Bernie Sanders isn't great Corbyn made me realize he isn't NEARLY as bad.

by Anonymousreply 16611/01/2020

Equating the Tories in the UK with the GOP is a bit simplistic. One huge difference is the lack of (fundamentalist) religious influence in British politics and the attendant lack of wedge issues such as abortion, marriage equality, and stem-cell research. British Conservatives also largely supported Hillary and Biden over Trump, who (along with Obama) would both be right at home in the Conservative party.

by Anonymousreply 16711/01/2020

[quote]Yes, I saw a video where many people in Britain who supported Labour their whole lives refused to vote for the party because of Corbyn. They felt he was unwilling to listen to reason, wishy washy, arrogant, didn't attract good people, etc. All of which is correct. And then you had British Twitter erupting in shock and anger when Labour lost lol. Bernie Sanders isn't great Corbyn made me realize he isn't NEARLY as bad.

Bernie Sanders is nothing like Corbyn.

Corbyn was a backbench irrelevance for years who associated himself with fringe movements and was obsessed with Israel and a love of authoritarian regimes - Iran, Cuba, Venezuela.

Sanders was an effective operator in Congress, reaching out across party lines and getting changes to legislation.

Before becoming Labour leader in 2015 Corbyn had no political achievements to speak of, despite having been an MP for 32 years. Compare Corbyn's record to Stella Creasy, a Labour back bencher elected in 2010 who has changed the law on payday loans, legalised abortion in Northern Ireland. Naturally Corbyn supporters tried to get Creasy deselected as an MP ahead of the last election, when she was on maternity leave. They failed.

by Anonymousreply 16811/01/2020

[quote] Sanders was an effective operator in Congress, reaching out across party lines and getting changes to legislation.

Did he actually do this though? The only person I've seen saying this is Robert Reich. Romney, Hillary, Nader and Barney Frank have all said the exact opposite. Regardless, I agree--Corbyn is completely incompetent far leftist.

by Anonymousreply 16911/01/2020

[quote]British Conservatives also largely supported Hillary and Biden over Trump, who (along with Obama) would both be right at home in the Conservative party.

The Conservatives have had a much bigger shift to the right since Johnson took over and the wets were disposed of - Rory Stewart, Justine Greening, Amber Rudd, Ken Clarke, David Gauke etc.

But HIllary, Biden and Obama have more in common with Blair and Brown - strong safety net interventionists. Apparently Obama got on better with Cameron than Gordon Brown, but that was probably through Brown's personality, Obama would have been nothing but impressed with Brown's record on child poverty.

Kamala Harris and Keir Starmer have a lot in common personally - both former prosecutors with Jewish partners.

by Anonymousreply 17011/01/2020

Conservative MPs might’ve been more pro-Hillary (maybe about half of them were) but the Conservative base was definitely pro-Trump.

And most of the left of the Conservative party in Parliament have been purged since then.

by Anonymousreply 17111/01/2020

DL Brits: I took out subscriptions back in 2016 to New Statesman (Labour/left) and The Spectator (Tory/right) because I wanted to understand Brexit and keep up with the latest developments, but I'm wondering if there's a better alternative to The Spectator? I know it's got a whiff of respectabiltiy due to its long tradition but I find it increasingly more reactionary and dislike columnists such as Rod Liddle and Toby Young. I can stomach Douglas Murray, even if I agree with him only occasionally and generally don't share his politics. I read The Economist as well.

by Anonymousreply 17211/01/2020

The Spectator does this thing in which everything written in it is right-wing but masquerades as disinterested liberalism.

Spiked is even worst: the editor still claims to be left-wing.

The general absence of that from the US (outside of Tulsi Gabbard) is something to be thankful for.

by Anonymousreply 17311/01/2020

R172 & R173 - go on reading the ridiculous, woke / progressive New Statesman

by Anonymousreply 17411/01/2020

[quote] Apparently Obama got on better with Cameron than Gordon Brown, but that was probably through Brown's personality,

What's your read on David Cameron? Was he a good PM?

by Anonymousreply 17511/01/2020

Cameron and May weren't great (or even good) but both are much better than Johnson.

by Anonymousreply 17611/01/2020

[quote]What's your read on David Cameron? Was he a good PM?

Awful. Awful, awful, awful.

I understood there needed to be spending in cuts in 2010 - even big spending Gordon Brown admitted that - but the cuts were ideological and hurt the most vulnerable.

The Liberal Democrats were put into an awful position in the Coalition although they didn't help themselves over tuition fees. After a year it was clear they electorate blamed them but they were so low in the polls and Labour was doing appallingly as an opposition that bringing down the government and forcing an election was not an option. When the election did come in 2015 it was no surprise that the Tories won a majority, seeing how awful Miliband was.

Cameron did take some hard choices on foreign policy and the failure of the vote to support Obama on military action in Syria arguably led to the Russians becoming involved and thousands upon thousands of more deaths. Again, Miliband opposed that not for humanitarian reasons but to force a government defeat.

But Brexit will be the millstone around Cameron's neck. He went into the 2015 election not thinking he would get a majority so was happy to put the negotiation/referendum out there, then had to implement it. He totally misread European leaders in what they were willing to negotiate. It didn't help that the Brexit campaign was fundamentally dishonest but other factors played in. Jeremy Corbyn, a life long anti European refused to campaign to Remain and his team sabotaged Labour's Remain campaign (read Tim Shipman's All Out War) and it didn't help that Sturgeon was talking parts in campaigns to Remain, having led the Scottish Independence campaign 2 years previously.

So with the exception of same sex marriage, an ultimate failure.

by Anonymousreply 17711/01/2020

R174: I like to read a range of perspectives, and New Statesman does have decent arts coverage.

by Anonymousreply 17811/01/2020

R177, thank you for the response. You've raised my interest in Gordon Brown, maybe I'll read his autobiography sometime.

by Anonymousreply 17911/01/2020

[quote]So with the exception of same sex marriage, an ultimate failure.

He was opposed to it not long before he switched to support it.

by Anonymousreply 18011/01/2020

The current Conservative party is very pro-Trump. They don't want Biden. It's to do with Brexit and Northern Ireland mostly. Read up on it.

by Anonymousreply 18111/01/2020

I used to read both the New Statesman and the Economist until around 2002/03. Picked up the Economist recently. All the news in it I could get off the Internet. I would imagine a woke New Statesman would be dreadful.

by Anonymousreply 18211/01/2020

[quote][R177], thank you for the response. You've raised my interest in Gordon Brown, maybe I'll read his autobiography sometime.

He's a very odd man, unsuited to politics in many ways, but his 10 years as Chancellor saw the biggest redistribution of wealth the country has ever seen.

His economic policies allowed for huge public sector reforms but he was blamed by Tories for the financial crash in 2008 and decried as a neoliberal Tory by Corbyn supporters. He was fundamentally a good, decent, serious man.

He was horrified by the antisemitism crisis that Corbyn brought in with him when he became leader. I have to admit I cried when I watched this video he made 18 months ago.

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R183, I'm always interested in politicians who are very successful but atypical, like Truman. That video is great, he does not come off as a wishy washy weirdo (Corbyn).

by Anonymousreply 18411/01/2020

R4 100% correct. I’ve never been right wing in my life but I definitely vote conservative in the UK. The Majority of the left are communist or communist sympathizers and they don’t understand why they can’t win an election.

by Anonymousreply 18511/01/2020

Gordon Brown passed the Equality Act which was good, but still doesn’t go far enough.

by Anonymousreply 18611/01/2020

R185, this seems to be a problem of the far left in a lot of western countries--they think everyone is just like them. No, they are not.

by Anonymousreply 18711/01/2020

[quote][R185], this seems to be a problem of the far left in a lot of western countries--they think everyone is just like them. No, they are not.

The Labour Party under Corbyn was completely unable to comprehend that it had to appeal to people who didn't agree with them. They did better than expected in the 2017 election because Theresa May ran an awful campaign and the post referendum Remain vote went to Labour, but Corbyn took that as the public supporting him.

Starmer will bring Labour back towards the centre with sensible pragmatic policies but he needs 2 things: a Liberal Democrat mini revival to take seats off the Tories where Labour have no base, and the SNP to do one, because a lot of English and Welsh voters hate the thought of Nicola Sturgeon exerting influence over a UK wide government at their expense.

Starmer is currently polling at higher levels than the Labour Party as a whole, something that won't change until Corbyn fucks off.

by Anonymousreply 18811/01/2020

R188, do you think the far left/Corbyn supporters are the ones who dominate the Labour party now? Or are they mainly just a small section of the public rather than being a huge portion of the government MPs?

by Anonymousreply 18911/01/2020

R185 lol sorry to break it to you but if you vote conservative in the UK you are right wing. There’s no two ways about it.

The majority of the left are not communists - wtf is wrong with you. Are you mid stroke?

by Anonymousreply 19011/01/2020

They pretend there’s an extremist left to justify their own right-wing views.

They’re homophobic and transphobic.

by Anonymousreply 19111/01/2020

[quote]do you think the far left/Corbyn supporters are the ones who dominate the Labour party now? Or are they mainly just a small section of the public rather than being a huge portion of the government MPs?

The 2019 election result left Labour with only 202 MPs. Around 25 are hardcore Corbyn supporters who either filled shadow cabinet positions when he was leader despite a lack of basic competence or new MPs parachuted into safe seats because they were Corbyn loyalists despite being unfit to be MPs, e.g. Zarah Sultana who had a long history of bullying Jewish students when she was at university and should have been suspended, not allowed to stand as an MP.

Of those 25 there are some who will never give up the fight and will enable the Corbyn betrayal myth because they'll never achieve anything else in their life, but there's a handful who recognise that Labour are in serious shit, there's an awful Tory government and they need to move on from Corbyn.

The main core of Labour MPs are largely spineless cunts who enabled the antisemitism, stood back and watched their Jewish colleagues bullied and hounded and did nothing. because the party came first. Watching them pretend they did anything about the culture of Jew hate is fasctinating.

Below is a video of Jewish MP Ruth Smeeth, who lost her seat in the 2019 election, challenging the 5 MPs standing for deputy leader as to why they didn't show solidarity. These husting were held by the Jewish Labour Movement, who Gordon Brown was supporting in the video posted above.

Richard Burgon, the man third from left is a Corbyn Ultra, and Dawn Butler, the black woman second from right had the Equalities role under Corbyn. Both refused to sign the Jewish leadership pledges on antisemitism during the contest. Burgon came third, Butler came last, Starmer sacked them both from their shadow cabinet jobs when he became leader.

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I greatly respect Jewish people for being at the forefront the gay and trans rights movements.

by Anonymousreply 19311/01/2020

I forgot to say that 2 of Corbyn's most ardent supporters have also been suspended from the party - despite also being antisemites it's because they've been charged with criminal offences.

Claudia Webbe has been charged with the harassment of a woman over a period of 2 years and Apsana Begum has been charged with 3 counts of fraud.

So technically Labour only has 199 MPs.

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by Anonymousreply 19411/01/2020

[quote]Claudia Webbe has been charged with the harassment of a woman

Lesbian dram?

by Anonymousreply 19511/01/2020

Bullshit,, There was never that much of an issue with anti semitism. Corbyn was a dinosaur who got the job because Blair and “New Labour” changed the Party into the Conservatives in all but name. When he became leader, Corbyn ended up being constantly attacked by Jewish MPs and lobby groups who can’t stand the slightest criticism of Israel.

by Anonymousreply 19611/01/2020

[quote]Bullshit,, There was never that much of an issue with anti semitism. Corbyn was a dinosaur who got the job because Blair and “New Labour” changed the Party into the Conservatives in all but name. When he became leader, Corbyn ended up being constantly attacked by Jewish MPs and lobby groups who can’t stand the slightest criticism of Israel.

Translation: JEWS ARE LIARS!

CRANKETY CRANK, CRANKETY CRANK

CRANKETY CRANK, CRANKETY CRANk

by Anonymousreply 19711/01/2020

I don’t get the crankety crank thing.

R196 j’agree - I think this sums it up in short. Shambolic.

by Anonymousreply 19811/01/2020

[quote][R196] j’agree - I think this sums it up in short. Shambolic.

You think that Jewish MPs fabricated abuse directed at them and then blamed it on Corbyn because ISRAEL?

Do you think the Corbyn supporter who asked a nazi website for an Naziesque image to share on Facebook is an undercover Mossad agent?

You think the Jews tricked Corbyn to attend a wreath laying ceremony in Tunisia for the men behind the Munich terrorist attack?

by Anonymousreply 19911/01/2020

R199 I’ve seen these two specific examples repeated so many times it’s self evident that there are barely any examples of anything that comprise actual anti-Semitism. Neither example also seems to be so certain of its own truthiness.

I think Corbyn’s political enemies (from different areas of political life) made a mountain out of a molehill. And cynically used anti-semitism as the vehicle as to how to achieve canceling him. It’s a storm in a teacup.

In relation to the crimes the EHCR outlined they’re all procedural crimes in the aftermath of mishandling of the issue, rather than actual racist crimes. So yes shambolic.

by Anonymousreply 20011/01/2020

Corbyn was joke ripe for satire right from the beginning.

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[quote}In relation to the crimes the EHCR outlined they’re all procedural crimes in the aftermath of mishandling of the issue, rather than actual racist crimes. So yes shambolic.

So you're the poster recommending Jacobin magazine, an outlet for opinions of Jew obsessed cranks no other credible media will touch, something that makes Fox News look truthful and credible.

If you'd bothered to read the EHRC report you'd lean that the mishandling of the complaints about anti Jewish racists in the party wasn't an accident, it was deliberate.

Corbyn's team placed two of its own members in the Complaints team to oversee it. Thomas Gardiner assessed whether the complaints were politically damaging to Corbyn and whether they affected his friends and allies, like Ken Livingstone and Pete Willsman. A woman called Laura Murray was later appointed Head Of Complaints despite no experience in it. She is the daughter of racist aristocrat Andrew Murray, one of Corbyn's closest advisors, had previously worked in Corbyn's office.

The report makes clear that Jennie Formby, the Labour Party general secretary appointed by Corbyn and the former partner of Len "count his gold" McCluskey, was dishonest and incompetent.

This is from the EHRC report

[quote]In March 2018, Christine Shawcroft (NEC Disputes Panel Chair) emailed GLU staff, other NEC members and Jennie Formby, seeking to reinstate a member suspended for antisemitic social media posts so that they could stand as a candidate in local elections. The NEC had no authority to be involved in administrative suspension decisions by the GLU at that time. It was particularly inappropriate for the Chair of the NEC Disputes Panel – who would have been responsible for making sure that the complaint was determined fairly – to seek to interfere by advancing the position of the member under investigation. Christine Shawcroft subsequently resigned as Chair of the NEC Disputes Panel and later from the NEC itself.

Shawcroft said that she wasn't aware of Alan Bull's Facebook posts on Holocaust denial when she asked for him to be allowed to stay in the party so he could fight an election, despite arguing it was "a Facebook post taken completely out of context and alleged to show anti-Semitism"."

All the evidence is there to show that the culture Corbyn and his appointments brought into the party made it both racist and corrupt, which is why the EHRC found Labour guilty of 3 offences.

All then information is there, but like Trump supporters you refuse to look.

THE JEWS DIDN'T MAKE IT UP. THE JEWS WERE NOT LYING. THE JEWS WERE PROVED RIGHT.

by Anonymousreply 20211/01/2020

R202 not same posted you can check if you want. Yea I read it and didn’t suggest they were accidental, but procedural as I said and you agreed with. So yah not so much of a big deal, and extremely overblown sorry.

by Anonymousreply 20311/01/2020

^^ posted = *poster

by Anonymousreply 20411/01/2020

What disgusting pieces of shit r196 and r198 are - and they still don't get why Labour got practically the worst election result in its history in an election that was a gift to the party.

by Anonymousreply 20511/01/2020

[quote]What disgusting pieces of shit [R196] and [R198] are - and they still don't get why Labour got practically the worst election result in its history in an election that was a gift to the party.

As someone said further up, they're the left wing version of MAGAs. They see all the evidence of the racism but refuse to accept it because the won't accept any criticism of their leader.

by Anonymousreply 20611/01/2020

"They see all the evidence of the racism but refuse to accept it because the won't accept any criticism of their leader." They refuse to accept it because they share Corbyn's racist views.

by Anonymousreply 20711/01/2020

Why is anti-Semitism so much more common in the UK than the US?

by Anonymousreply 20811/01/2020

[quote] Equating the Tories in the UK with the GOP is a bit simplistic. One huge difference is the lack of (fundamentalist) religious influence in British politics and the attendant lack of wedge issues such as abortion, marriage equality, and stem-cell research.

Hon, you live in a bubble. They are using religion and people like Priti Patel is the second coming of Thatcher. The Tories are evil beyond belief and screwed up in the head.

by Anonymousreply 20911/01/2020

R208, Britain threw the Jews out. It’s historical. It goes back centuries. The US has way more Jews and the US supported the creation of Israel.

by Anonymousreply 21011/01/2020

R200 = typical British antisemite.

by Anonymousreply 21111/01/2020

[quote]Hon, you live in a bubble. They are using religion and people like Priti Patel is the second coming of Thatcher. The Tories are evil beyond belief and screwed up in the head.

How exactly are the Tories using religion?

One of the few good things about Britain is that it is mostly a secular country - our equality legislation (the same laws that found Labour had acted unlawfully re Jews) have consistently rejected claims based on religion, like the woman who refused to officiate at same sex ceremonies.

It's the was Labour who tried to bring in blasphemy laws to deal to make offending Muslims a criminal offence, not the right.

by Anonymousreply 21211/02/2020

R196 R198 R200 perfectly illustrate Brit (and European) Jew hatred. It's petulantly deflected to the point of insult (how DARE you tell me I can't scapegoat Jews), denied as over-reaction, over-sensitivity and discounted/dismissed as not "actual" (it wasn't really Jew hatred Jew hatred). There are plenty of Brits across the socio-political spectrum who will defend what they believe is their inalienable right to deride and disparage Jews knowing that there is no social censure for doing so. Like Livingstone. Like Galloway. Like Corbyn. Unsurprising in a culture where Jew hatred is so entrenched and normalized that were the same vicious scree spewed against any other minority, it would be roundly condemned. But against Jews? Well, that's something different, innit?

by Anonymousreply 21311/02/2020

[quote][R196] [R198] [R200] perfectly illustrate Brit (and European) Jew hatred. It's petulantly deflected to the point of insult (how DARE you tell me I can't scapegoat Jews), denied as over-reaction, over-sensitivity and discounted/dismissed as not "actual" (it wasn't really Jew hatred Jew hatred). There are plenty of Brits across the socio-political spectrum who will defend what they believe is their inalienable right to deride and disparage Jews knowing that there is no social censure for doing so. Like Livingstone. Like Galloway. Like Corbyn. Unsurprising in a culture where Jew hatred is so entrenched and normalized that were the same vicious scree spewed against any other minority, it would be roundly condemned. But against Jews? Well, that's something different, innit?

For years these racist cranks have been screaming WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE because it was their default position that Jews were lying for nefarious reasons.

There's now a 130 page report showing that Labour acted unlawfully and discriminated against Jews, a policy that Corbyn and all his close advisors were complicit in, and still these racist cranks refuse to believe it.

by Anonymousreply 21411/02/2020

R214 That's the social psychosis of Jew hatred. The insistent denial, the aggressive fight to retain Jew hatred as sin qua non of social discourse and cohesion, To eradicate the social scourge of Jew hatred, Brits must undergo socially-inculcated education that the vicious scree and imagery used for almost two eons against Jews is anti- Jewish bigotry and hatred. Irrational, unacceptable Jew hatred.

Good luck that ever happening in Britain or anywhere else.

by Anonymousreply 21511/02/2020

Jeremy Corbyn was such a complete and total loser. I can't believe there's still a cult of supporters around him - and they all go on about what might have been, etc., completely ignoring that he was losing more and more seats in parliament. I'm sorry, I don't care who you are - if you're the leader of a major political party and you lose two GE's in a row, you have to go.

He wasn't any kind of a leader - sat on the fence about everything, no doubt couching his otherwise unfashionable views. Never took a stand on Brexit, never stood up to the anti-Semitism which it turns out he was stoking in his own party and would never even recognise or cop to that.

The radical left in Britain is pretty fucking repulsive and hopeless. I've voted since 2003 and I've NEVER voted for Labour, or the Tories. I had one of those Labour MPs in my borough who was actually thwarting the will of his constituents and voting pro-Brexit, I guess, because he just knew better than the 73% of his constituency that voted against it. Fucking turd. He retired and didn't stand at last year's election.

by Anonymousreply 21611/02/2020

R215 is even more batshit crazy than the Corbynites - and that's crazy.

by Anonymousreply 21711/02/2020

R187, this was demonstrated when all of the Labour leadership hopefuls (excluding Starmer) signed that ridiculous pledge to expel all Labour party members who didn't agree with trans and non-binary nonsense. Not only did the pledge itself read as though it was written by a fifteen-year-old tumblrina, it was accompanied by Dawn Butler claiming that children are born without a sex and Lisa Nandy saying that rapists belong in women's prisons if they identify as female. If someone honestly believes that most British people agree with this stuff, they must live in a far-left bubble.

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Point one is accept material reality. All remaining points are reject material reality.

by Anonymousreply 21911/02/2020

R215, I think you're missing the point of the fact that Corbyn's anti-Semitism caused Labour to lose votes, has created a ruckus in the Labour party and has been panned by the Equality and Human Rights Commission. Corbyn, Galloway, etc. are fringe extremists who are hugely disliked in the UK. Corbyn only won the leadership of the party because of the rule put in place by the previous leader whereby any old infiltrator could pay just £3 to register as a party "supporter" and vote for the new leader. This meant that all the hard left and also Tories (many Tories have said that they paid the £3 just so they could vote for Corbyn, as he was most likely to damage the Labour party) suddenly became party supporters and voted for Corbyn. Ironically, Ed Miliband, Corbyn's predecessor as Labour leader, who initiated this dumb rule, is Jewish.

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R187, thankfully Starmer didn't fall for that nonsense. I'm disappointed Lisa Nandy is such a TRA, she seemed vaguely sensible up until that point.

by Anonymousreply 22111/02/2020

[quote]Ironically, Ed Miliband, Corbyn's predecessor as Labour leader, who initiated this dumb rule, is Jewish.

Ed Miliband is a cunt. The responsibility of what led to the EHRC outcome lays firmly at the door of Corbyn and his cronies but Miliband did as much as anyone to enable it.

He offered no support for the 4 Jewish women MPs who were abused and threatened on a daily basis. Former leaders Neil Kinnock, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown all did. Miliband could have done the bare minimum and made a point of tweeting his support, condemning the abuse or sitting along side them in the House of Commons, but nothing. Fuck all. Useless spineless cowardly cunt.

Even worse, when Corbynite MP Fiona Onasanya was sent to prison in May 2019 for perverting the course of justice over a speeding fine, a by election was called in Peterborough and Lisa Forbes was selected again to represent Labour. When it was revealed shortly after the by election was called that Forbes had been sharing racist content on social media (e.g. Theresa May is controlled by Zionist slave masters) the Jewish Labour Movement called for Labour not to campaign for her, and several MPs showed solidarity and condemned her selection and refused to travel to Peterborough to campaign for a racist candidate.

Not Miliband, he campaigned for racist Forbes without any condemnation and welcomed her into the party when she won the seat.

When Miliband had been leader he'd been asked to intervene around bullying allegations in the Peterborough party which led to Forbes being selected as a candidate. Miliband did nothing. Peterborough was also the local party where Alan Bull was in, that's the Alan Bull who posted Holocaust denial material on Facebook, which in 2016 the person overseeing complaints panels said were taken out of context.

by Anonymousreply 22211/02/2020

I'm more concerned about homophobia. In all parties, but worst in the Tories.

by Anonymousreply 22311/02/2020

R22: Ed Miliband is borderline retarded. I remember reading an article by a Labour MP who was given the task foisting him onto some safe seat constituency ( for some reason Jew Ed was being aggressively promoted despite protests ) in which he revealed what a total idiot Ed Miliband was.

How he became leader despite far better alternatives is a mystery. Anyway, you can thank gormless Ed’s time at the helm for Corbyn’s eventual assent to the leadership.

by Anonymousreply 22411/02/2020

Sorry I meant r222.

by Anonymousreply 22511/02/2020

[quote]How he became leader despite far better alternatives is a mystery.

Ed Miliband was the candidate most critical of New Labour Blair/Brown of the 2010 candidates.

The voting system at the time weighted MPs and other elected officials as one third. party members as one third and unions one third.

David Miliband won overwhelmingly with the MPs and the public, but Ed Miliband did a deal with Len "Count his gold McCluskey and got the union vote fixed for him. Miliband won marginally through union votes.

by Anonymousreply 22611/02/2020

R220 R222 reiterate just how pernicious anti-Jewish bigotry and hatred is in Labour. Removing Corbyn will not rehabilitate the Party and certainly not its faithful. See R224's "Jew Ed" slur for examples.

by Anonymousreply 22711/02/2020

"Ed Miliband was the candidate most critical of New Labour Blair/Brown of the 2010 candidates."

This is another unfortunate consequence of Blair's choice to take the country into the Iraq war. The useless Ed Miliband was chosen over the more Blairite-identified MPs, and Miliband led to Corbyn and so we are where we are today.

Supposedly Miliband's brother David was the better candidate of the two, but he was tarnished by his Blair/Iraq war associations. I don't know much about him, he seems rather bland to me, although looks amazing for 55.

by Anonymousreply 22811/02/2020

[quote]This is another unfortunate consequence of Blair's choice to take the country into the Iraq war.

Since ole Tone quit politics and went to work for the Sauds, one wonders if his Iraq war decision was heavily influenced by future employment prospects.

by Anonymousreply 22911/02/2020

[quote][R220] [R222] reiterate just how pernicious anti-Jewish bigotry and hatred is in Labour. Removing Corbyn will not rehabilitate the Party and certainly not its faithful.

There's always been a tolerance for anti Jewish prejudice in the Labour Party but Corbyn made it totally acceptable for people to be explicit about it.

The Labour Party has a problem with a loyalty culture as well. There are those who think you shouldn't rock the boat whatever is happening. which is why bad things are allowed to happen. I remember a female Labour MP talking about when she tried to raise the Pakistani grooming scandals she was seeing in her constituency and was told "don't rock the boat" because it would be seen as racist.

by Anonymousreply 23011/02/2020

[quote]There's always been a tolerance for anti Jewish prejudice in the Labour Party but Corbyn made it totally acceptable for people to be explicit about it.

Then Corbyn did the Brit voter a favour by highlighting just how viciously bigoted supposed "liberals" are.

by Anonymousreply 23111/02/2020

If you lose as badly as Corbyn/Labour did, the problem isn't others, the problem is you, plain and simple.

by Anonymousreply 23211/02/2020

The problem is the British voters, R232. We need a revolutionary committee that knows what's best for the people and should simply ask them to agree to that.

by Anonymousreply 23311/02/2020

The low calibre of the Corbyn-era intake of Labour MPs is something shocking. One in prison already and two more facing charges. It almost as though there was no quality control whatsoever.

by Anonymousreply 23411/02/2020

R233, I really hope you're being sarcastic. The reason Corbyn lost is because he sucks. That's it. The fact that he repelled even long-time Labour supporters says it all. He is representative of the twitter generation--only willing to listen to those he agrees with.

by Anonymousreply 23511/02/2020

R214 the report doesn't really indicate all that though. It shows (non-systematic) instances of low level anti-semitism occurring shared by members of the Labour party (low level mostly) and then improper procedural retrospective dealings of this by upper level party management. There's no indication of any organized approach to this within the party. The report concluded most instances of it (18 out of 20) couldn't even be considered for the report because the connection to party operations was too tenuous. Basically what it means is that a few low level labour council members might have shared anti-semitic memes with friends, but that is not the Labour party's responsibility. How they dealt with it after became the issue.

This indicates anti-semitism at low levels across British society, people sharing memes with each other that have anti-semitic trope punchlines. And then Corbyn's enemies took advantage of the damage that can be done by saying "anti-semitic" out loud and ran with it. Anti-semitism is a problem in modern western society sure but you want to pin it on the far left and not have to deal with it substantively. You're just a cancel culture pusher that is taking advantage of the oppression of jewish people for your own good. Totally cynical. And to be clear I believe this is a right wing agenda rather than an agenda being pursued by Jewish people in general. Which makes sense now that (of course) the anti trans right wing nutcases have come out in support.

by Anonymousreply 23611/02/2020

I am a pretty-far-Left American.... I voted for Biden, but I am a DSA member.

So as an American socialist I always wanted to like this guy... years and years ago. But he always seemed like a tool.

by Anonymousreply 23711/02/2020

Some of the made up crap posted in this thread is beyond preposterous.

by Anonymousreply 23811/02/2020

Interesting read

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The fuck ing Guardian!

by Anonymousreply 24011/02/2020

[quote]Some of the made up crap posted in this thread is beyond preposterous.

I know right! All this evidence of racism, corruption and bullying and still Jew obsessed cranks are saying WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE - JEWS ARE LYING!

by Anonymousreply 24111/02/2020

R239 The Guardian is frequently ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 24211/02/2020

The "Interesting read" by Karie Murphy, the girlfriend of union boss Len "Count his gold" McCluskey, is a load of shit from a woman with a long history of corruption and ineptitude

It was the Karie Murphy vote rigging scandal which persuaded Ed Miliband to move to the voting system where anyone could pay £3 to vote.

[quote]A Labour investigation in the summer of 2013 concluded that members of Unite had been signed up as Labour members “without their knowledge” or had been “pressured” to complete forms so they could vote for Murphy.

[quote]It cited evidence that members’ signatures were “forged” on paperwork.

[quote]The inquiry prompted Labour to suspend Murphy and disqualify dozens of members from voting. Ed Miliband later introduced reforms to reduce union power and give a greater say to party members, paving the way for Corbyn’s shock election as leader in 2015.

[quote]However, it appears that senior officials also took the extraordinary step of asking a graphologist to give an opinion on whether Murphy had personally completed signatures on some of the membership forms.

[quote]The report was allegedly kept secret because it was submitted three days after Miliband and Unite’s general secretary, Len McCluskey, agreed a truce in September 2013. Murphy withdrew her candidacy but was cleared of all wrongdoing and had her party membership restored.

"Agreeing a truce" rather than standing up to corruption.

You expect this in the Republican Party, you expect this in the Conservative Party, you hope that Labour would rise above this.

But just like with Shami Chakrabarti, the Labour Party can be as corrupt and immoral as any organisation.

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At least most of Labour supported marriage equality.

Most Tories didn’t.

by Anonymousreply 24411/02/2020

[quote]The low calibre of the Corbyn-era intake of Labour MPs is something shocking. One in prison already and two more facing charges. It almost as though there was no quality control whatsoever.

What a list of achievements from Corbynites

The Labour Party - responsible for unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination

Fiona Onasanya (elected in 2017)- went to prison for perverting the course of justice

Jared O'Mara - (elected in 2017) arrested on suspicion of fraud - no charges yet

Claudia Webbe - (elected in 2019) charged with harassment

Apsana Begum - (elected in 2019) charged with 3 counts of fraud

by Anonymousreply 24511/02/2020

^

That list is hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 24611/02/2020

And for more corruption look at the case of Jas Athwal - leader of the local council, the clear favourite to be the Labour candidate after Mike Gapes left the party alongside Luciana Berger and 7 others, citing antisemitism and foreign policy.

A man called Sam Tarry, a Momentum person involved in Corbyn's campaign when MPs voted no confidence in him. was standing against Athwal.

A sexual harassment complaint was made, Athwal defended himself an provided evidence of how the charges were easily disproven but heard nothing from Labour for months. Then just days before the vote, Jas Athwal was suspended meaning Corbyn's pal Tarry was elected.

Naturally Athwal was cleared but only after spending £150,000 on his defence.

Donald Trump would be proud of this kind of stitch up.

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[quote]That list is hilarious.

There's also the case of Kate Osamor, who was elected as an MP before Corbyn became leader, but is one of his close allies. Osamor's mother Martha Osamor was made Baroness Baroness Osamor, of Tottenham in the London Borough of Haringey and of Asaba in the Republic of Nigeria.

Initially she was famous for copying an Obama speech in her election victory speech.

Osamor's son Ishmael was charged with supplying ecstasy, cocaine, ketamine and cannabis at music festival. Ishmael was employed by his mother in the House of Commons as her social media manager at the time. Following the arrest Kate Osamor nominated her son to become a councillor and used House Of Commons paper to write a reference for her son ahead of his sentencing. Kate Osamor lied to the Labour Party trying to manage the media and said she knew nothing of the arrest.

Unfortunately for Osamor a journalist was on the case and went to get to get a quote ahead of the story being run. Osamor called the police, threw water over the journalist and threatened to beat him up with a baseball bat. No criminal charges were made at the request of the journalist. Corbyn let Osamor resign from her shadow cabinet role rather than sack her.

She was later found guilty of two non criminal public standards offences - using HoC paper for her son's character reference and the assault on the journalist. She was allowed to remain an MP and was re-elected last year.

One of the most memorable things about this story was Owen Jones trying to turn the situation around by claiming Ishmael Osamor was a victim of racism and demanding the journalist who broke the story reveal whether they had ever taken drugs themselves.

There was one aspect of disgraceful reporting about the case - some newspapers highlighted how she and her son lived in the same council house (social housing) they had for years, arguing they should move out as the joint income of her and her son meant they should buy/rent their own home and the house should be given to someone in greater need.

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There's also Diane Abbott who is SO disaster-prone that Miliband forbade her from appearing in front of the media.

She doesn't appearing in this interview but it's quite obvious she has NO IDEA of what she's taking about.

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[quote]R214 the report doesn't really indicate all that though. It shows (non-systematic) instances of low level anti-semitism occurring shared by members of the Labour party (low level mostly) and then improper procedural retrospective dealings of this by upper level party management. There's no indication of any organized approach to this within the party.

STOP LYING. The report clearly shows an organised approach to this within the party from Corbyn's office down. That's why the EHRC found Labour guilty of unlawful acts. JUST STOP LYING. You sound like a QAnon psycho. Stop trying to spin a fantasy of events. STOP FUCKING LYING.

[quote]And to be clear I believe this is a right wing agenda rather than an agenda being pursued by Jewish people in general.

Do you even live in the UK? Did you see the "enough is enough" protests led by mainly left wing in March 2018? That's how long this has been going on. This fight has come from Jewish people from WITHIN the Labour Party. This was the verdict of the Jewish Labour Movement:

[quote]"The blame for this sordid, disgraceful chapter in the Labour Party’s history lies firmly with those who held positions of leadership - those who possessed both power and influence to prevent the growth of anti-Jewish racism, but failed to act."

Sure Labour's opponents have made political capital, just like Labour members have made political capital of the Tories and their problems with anti Black and anti Muslim attitudes of its members,

It's telling you won't listen to Jewish people's concerns about this. But that you even deny the agency of Jewish people to fight their own battles confirms you're simply a modern antisemite.

You're fucking racist lying scum.

by Anonymousreply 25011/02/2020

F&F this thread. Time for it to be shut down and deleted.

by Anonymousreply 25111/02/2020

[quote]F&F this thread. Time for it to be shut down and deleted.

Why so sad hun? 😪

by Anonymousreply 25211/02/2020

People like r236 are why Labour lost the last election so badly and why Corbyn and his left thug mafia are widely hated among people who traditionally vote Labour.

by Anonymousreply 25311/03/2020

The Guardian gives a lot of space to trash, but it also has some decent writers.

Labour and antisemitism: once again, it's all about Jeremy Corbyn

Jonathan Freedland

The catharsis lasted all of three hours. From 10am on Thursday morning until lunchtime, British Jews were allowed to feel a small measure of relief: after nearly five years of being dismissed as liars and dissemblers, deceitfully engaged in an elaborate smear campaign, a neutral legal arbiter had ruled that those who had sounded the alarm about antisemitism in Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party were, after all, telling the truth.

Yet the pause for reflection that so many had hoped for expired before it had really begun. It was overtaken by word that Labour had suspended Corbyn for suggesting that the whole business had been “dramatically overstated”. The planned period of introspection was postponed, as the focus switched instead to the relative strengths of the new leader against the old and the prospect of a Labour civil war. The party’s treatment of Jews was no longer the issue of the moment.

Still, those three hours were valuable. From early on in Corbyn’s leadership, and tentatively at first, Jews had been saying there was a problem in Labour, whether it was manifested at branch meetings or in social media posts. In March 2016, I warned that Labour was becoming “a cold house for Jews” and that the party needed to act promptly or risk the issue causing real damage. But these warnings were cast aside, dismissed as politically motivated smears rather than cries of pain and concern from a community that, for generations, had seen Labour as its political home. The dismissal came from the very top: when that column of mine appeared, Corbyn was filmed declaring it to be “utterly disgusting subliminal nastiness”.

After gaslighting on that scale, of course it came as a relief to hear a statutory body, the Equality and Human Rights Commission, set up by the last Labour government, rule so decisively that what Jews had been saying all along was true. Its findings could scarcely be more damning.

The EHRC found Labour guilty of unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination against Jews; guilty of “a culture within the party which, at best, did not do enough to prevent antisemitism and, at worst, could be seen to accept it”; guilty of “serious failings” in leadership. This wasn’t incompetence. The report is explicit that the party can act decisively when it wants to, and that it could have “tackled” antisemitism if it had “chosen to do so”. It chose not to. The EHRC found evidence of “a significant number” of antisemitism complaints that were not investigated at all and “political interference in the handling of complaints” that was so recurrent, the commission deemed it unlawful.

Throughout the Corbyn period, Jews were often asked why they were making such a fuss about all this: after all, Labour was hardly about to whip up pogroms. But as one community figure put it to me: “Labour has just been found to have discriminated against Jews to the extent that it broke the law. That was in opposition. What rational basis did we have for thinking they would not discriminate against Jews once in government, when they would have the full power of the state at their disposal?”

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The report had been out for 35 minutes when the former leader posted his response. Those who were expecting him to be chastened by its verdict – and by the declaration of the EHRC’s lead investigator that “Jeremy Corbyn is ultimately accountable and responsible for what happened at that time” – were to be disappointed. Corbyn offered the familiar boilerplate denunciations of antisemitism and “all forms of racism” but added that he did not accept all the EHRC’s findings, and that “the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media”. That was the cue for his outriders, loyal to the last, to suggest yet again that it was all an exaggeration if not a smear – that an independent regulator had joined the conspiracy of Blairites, newspapers and Jews to take down a man of the purest integrity.

The accusation of overstatement is quickly dealt with. It’s true that the commission had a narrow focus, having to confine itself to those offenders who legally counted as “agents” of the Labour party. But the report states clearly that these were merely the “tip of the iceberg”. I spoke today to EHRC executive director Alastair Pringle, who explained that the commission only focused on a sample of 70 complaint files but saw many more. “There were hundreds of them, and they were absolutely atrocious. The language, the behaviour – it was shocking.” He added that he wasn’t a big fan of the numbers game. “I’m more of a fan of saying, ‘There’s a serious problem here, and the serious problem hasn’t been dealt with.’ To go down the route of saying, ‘Was it 3% or 30% or 0.3%’ misses the point, really.”

Now the debate is over whether Keir Starmer has been canny or foolish in taking on the hard left, whether he set a trap for Corbyn or whether Corbyn deliberately violated his successor’s edict against minimising Labour’s antisemitism problem. Either way, the discussion about that problem – and why anti-Jewish racism might take root among those inclined to see capitalism as a global plot hatched by a secretive, wicked few – has been cut short, eclipsed instead by a conversation about Jeremy Corbyn.

That saddens me, and yet it is grimly fitting. For why did the EHRC investigation become necessary in the first place? Because Labour’s then leader refused to accept that a malignancy might exist within his party. He was in denial then: why should we be surprised that he remains in denial now?

In a way, this melancholy chapter in Labour history was bound to culminate in a row about Corbyn, for he was always so central to it. It’s easy to get tangled in the weeds of processes and procedures and subcommittees but, as the report spells out, the core of the matter was always leadership.

Whether it was his refusal to see what was wrong in a mural depicting Jews as hooked-nosed bankers making money off the backs of the poor; his suggestion that Jews might be born in this country but would never quite grasp “English irony”; his praise for a book that blamed 19th-century imperialism on finance houses run by “a single and peculiar race”; his warm embrace of a man who had repeated the ancient lie that Jews consume the blood of gentile children – pick your example – it was Corbyn who made British Jews feel an anxiety they had not known for the best part of a century. It was he who acted as a magnet, drawing in assorted cranks and bigots to join a party whose great name they soiled by their very presence.

And it was not just Labour that they ruined. By proposing Corbyn to the electorate as the alternative to Boris Johnson, Labour handed the Tories a thumping majority, ensuring a hard Brexit and this cruel and useless government. There is no catharsis in that thought: only sorrow.

by Anonymousreply 25511/03/2020

R253 The traditional Labour voter isn't partial to condescending snobs like Lady Nujee.

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[quote]And then Corbyn's enemies took advantage of the damage that can be done by saying "anti-semitic" out loud and ran with it.

R236 Damage? What damage? Certainly not in Britain or Labour, who not only castigated Jews who had the temerity to point out that "casual" and "mild" Jew hatred was unacceptable - it would be unthinkable for Labour to target Blacks or Muslims with the same scree and people derisively posing "what's the problem?" dismissal - but it took years for anyone to say, well, there may be some merit, but . . . What other minority group in Britain would be subjected to that extent of derision and hatred by anyone calling themselves "liberal" or "progressive".

by Anonymousreply 25711/03/2020

It's no coincidence that Labour's rise in the polls has coincided with the likes of Thornberry, Long Bailey, Burgon, Chakrabarti, Abbott and McDonnell disappearing from news programmes and being placed by coherent and bright Labour representatives.

It must have really hurt Thornberry that she couldn't even pass the first hurdle of getting 33 local parties to nominate her in the leadership contest.

A truly dreadful woman who represents everything wrong with the Labour Party, defending Corbyn unconditionally and attacking the Panorama programme, then trying to make out she fought against antisemitism and how her children have Jewish heritage and how one of her office staff is Jewish and won't tell people she works for Thornberry because she's ashamed.

Everyone knows a Thornberry is a patronising insincere pompous phoney, but threatening to sue Caroline Flint showed she's all mouth and no trousers.

by Anonymousreply 25811/03/2020

[quote]it was Corbyn who made British Jews feel an anxiety they had not known for the best part of a century.

Rubbish! Jews in the UK have never taken their status for granted, have always lived with anxiety, especially in the last 40 years. They are well aware that their lives today are no different to what they were 100 years ago and 200 years ago - as precarious as that for Jews in France, Germany, Belgium, Holland, Austria, etc.

by Anonymousreply 25911/03/2020

Thornberry and Dianne Abbott are more like comedic caricatures than ordinary human beings .

by Anonymousreply 26011/03/2020

[quote]Rubbish! Jews in the UK have never taken their status for granted, have always lived with anxiety, especially in the last 40 years. They are well aware that their lives today are no different to what they were 100 years ago and 200 years ago - as precarious as that for Jews in France, Germany, Belgium, Holland, Austria, etc.

Do you live in Britain?

British Jews have contributed massively to UK society - in politics, law, medicine, the arts, public service - but one poll showed over a third were seriously considering leaving the UK if Corbyn was elected, something they had never considered under any other political leader.

The British Lebanese gay journalist Oz Katerji put together an excellent podcast series called Corbynism: The Post Mortem, and one of the episodes featured Jonathan Freedland discussing Corbyn's "disgusting subliminal nastiness" attack on him. For a man who called for kinder gentler politics and an end to personal abuse, he certainly got personal attacking one of the most high profile Jewish journalists in the UK, and a left wing journalist at that.

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[quote]Do you live in Britain?

Are you a Jew, especially an identifiable Jew, living in Britain? Discrimination exists against Jews to this day and any "contributions" made by Jews does not change this reality. Nor does it change Britain's innate Jew hatred. Tens of thousands of Jews have fled and continue to flee Britain because they know that there lives and professional livelihoods are limited. Oliver Sacks, one of the world's leading neurologist and author of many books about neurology, fled England for the US in the 50s because he knew that, as a Jew, his future was limited. That Sacks was gay was less of a problem than his being a Jew.

by Anonymousreply 26211/03/2020

R250 first of all stop screaming. You're hysterical. I'm not lying. Go through the report yourself. Or search specific terms 'harassment' or 'discrimination' and see what's thrown up. The harassment and discrimination (which Jonathan Freedland incorrectly writes in his article that R254 cites as being aimed at Jewish people) is vague and is seen to be aimed at people that raised concerns of anti-semitism. People that raise concerns of anti-semitism are not necessarily Jewish.

Next, the report draws a line between direct discrimination and indirect discrimination on behalf of the Labour party (meaning the organization not its separate individual members) - in this instance this seems to be the difference between being outright anti-semitic or not taking the sharing of memes seriously. So the discrimination lies in not properly admonishing complaints of people sending anti-semitic memes to each other. The report also makes a note at this point to acknowledge that this is not necessarily a Labour party issue (suggestion being that this level of anti-semitism is a societal issue). Out of the 70 investigated issues of harassment 2 make the cut. I think this is what Corbyn was getting at by saying it's overstated. That sure incidences of anti-semitism were occurring within the Labour party but not at some wildly elevated rate beyond wider society, and that the incidents of anti-semitism were not tied to Labour management or organization. However they failed within the area of control of these instances and treating those who reported them with the proper care and respect (and this amounts to indirect discrimination and harassment occurred of these people reporting).

Regarding the Jewish Labour Movement, they're a Jewish org and also a Zionist org. Obviously they're going to not want Corbyn in power because they're worried about his more sympathetic approach to Palestine (acknowledging its existence). Some Jewish people understand criticism of Israel to be anti-semitic and some understand the significance between them. The Jewish Labour Movement are in the former camp (you probably are too?) but I don't think that criticism of Israel necessarily means that the person criticising is antisemitic (if you disagree on that point that's fine but is a whole other thing to argue about which would deserve its own thread). Therefore the quote you listed is, let's say, a little unbalanced.

As you acknowledge, Labours opponents have made political capital through using the oppression of Jewish people. The ousting of Jeremy Corbyn from his party (and I'm sure they hope political life) is a handy two-for-one for them where they simultaneously remove a political opponent and also get to pretend that anti-semitism in British society has been dealt with, and the conservatives somehow come out looking like a moralistic superior. Which we all know not to be the case. Whatever your feelings on Corbyn, you must acknowledge that there is an amount of cynicism going on in this transaction, in how the oppression of Jewish people was weaponized, and I don't really think Jewish people in the UK are much better for it.

If you reply screaming liar I'm going to disengage, not being dramatic just letting u know in advance!

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R263: And why is such a “biased” self interest organisation allowed to be affiliated with one of the two main Political Parties in Britain?

by Anonymousreply 26411/03/2020

R264 I’m not suggesting it’s a bias in a negative sense it’s just an inescapable bias. It’s worthy of note when giving a quote by them.

by Anonymousreply 26511/03/2020

Not being in the UK I don't understand this brouhaha. If one had to expel every antisemitic politician in the US there'd be no one in the parties - except Jews.

by Anonymousreply 26611/03/2020

[quote][R263]: And why is such a “biased” self interest organisation allowed to be affiliated with one of the two main Political Parties in Britain?

There are countless groups affiliated with the Labour Party.

The Jewish Labour Movement is one of them. Others are LGBT Labour, Labour Muslim Network, Labour Women's Network, Labour Party Irish Society.

For some reason only Jewish Labour Movement are treated with suspicion and their affiliation questioned.

The Conservative Party has Conservative Muslim Forum, the former chairman of which has repeatedly called Boris Johnson a racist and left the party in disgust.

by Anonymousreply 26711/03/2020

[quote] Some Jewish people understand criticism of Israel to be anti-semitic and some understand the significance between them. The Jewish Labour Movement are in the former camp (you probably are too?) but I don't think that criticism of Israel necessarily means that the person criticising is antisemitic (if you disagree on that point that's fine but is a whole other thing to argue about which would deserve its own thread). Therefore the quote you listed is, let's say, a little unbalanced.

You're lying again. Why are you just lying when it's so easy to disprove what you say?

Here are a few of Jewish Labour Movement's policy statements.

[quote]We unequivocally condemn Netanyahu’s pledge to annex the Jordan Valley in the West Bank if he is re-elected next week. Netanyahu has no interest in creating lasting peace, this election stunt is further proof. We hope that Israelis reject this at the ballot box next week.

[quote]We stand with @AmeinuUSA , our sister group in the USA, in condemnation of Netanyahu’s decision to ban Ilhan Omar & Rashida Tlaib from Israel. We know many progressive Jews join us in opposition. We will be writing to the Israeli Ambassador to the UK to ask Netanyahu to reconsider

[quote]Wishing the Israeli left and especially our friends and partners in @meretzparty and @HavodaParty b'hatzlacha for tomorrow's General Election in Israel. We hope that this will represent a new dawn and fresh start for Israelis, Palestinians and the Two State Solution.

And here's a list of British Jews who are opposed to Israel's West Bank annexation. Recognise any names on it who have also been fierce critics of Corbyn?

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Exactly R266. For people on the progressive left, the ferocity of the attacks on Corbyn, and the weaponized anti-semitism, has been unsurprising, surprising, daunting, depressing. This thread is just a confirmation of the last four years. I agree, generally, with R263's summation.

I stopped following this thread a few days ago, when I blocked one poster and then over half of the previous fifty posts disappeared in a flash. There was no reasoning with his (or her) bile against JC. It made me wonder whether the poster was: 1. a paid hack of the Israeli government (a possibility) 2. an enraged British zionist who hates Corbyn with a passion 3. a Tory or centrist who simply hates Corbyn I'm probably leaving something out. It would be useful to know, because only through conversation can these pathologies be limited or diminished. My sense is that at this moment, magnified and distorted by the internet, identities and belief in identity-oppression is all-consuming and a form of madness. You can see it also in the United States, and a little bit now in Britain, with some black activists.

by Anonymousreply 26911/03/2020

[quote]It made me wonder whether the poster was: 1. a paid hack of the Israeli government (a possibility)

Of course I am! Greetings from the Mossad offices in Tel Aviv.

by Anonymousreply 27011/03/2020

Well, Mr. Mossad, you might ask yourself why you are responsible for almost a hundred posts on this topic. I'd prefer to see you as a paid shill, since otherwise you are completely unhinged.

by Anonymousreply 27111/03/2020

[quote]Well, Mr. Mossad, you might ask yourself why you are responsible for almost a hundred posts on this topic. I'd prefer to see you as a paid shill, since otherwise you are completely unhinged.

You have such a low opinion of Zionists, why don't you think someone would do this of their own volition? Why do you automatically assume a financial incentive?

I hate to reiterate this again but Jeremy Corbyn is history. Only 26% of Labour voters and 13% of the general public polled think his suspension was wrong. Now Corbyn and his mediocre cabinet of cronies and cranks have left the stage Labour are ahead of the Tories in the polls and Keir Starmer is polling ahead of Boris Johnson.

British Jews inside the Labour Party and those with other party affiliations or none and their allies have been vindicated that their complaints were upheld and Labour was found to have broken the law. A small but vocal minority, which includes some Jews, can't accept this and will lie, obfuscate and BUT ISRAEL to try and discredit them.

But they have been proven they were right. It wasn't a smear, it wasn't a plot, it wasn't fabricated. People like you will resort to the tired old accusations, tropes and mental health slurs but you've lost. I don't expect you to stop lying but the lies you and the other poster tell need to be challenged, just like Trump's lies.

And fingers crossed, just like Corbyn, Trump will be kicked out in next 24 hours. Then it'll be Boris Johnson's turn.

by Anonymousreply 27211/03/2020

A quite stunning 48 hours in the history of the Labour Party.

Corbyn's suspension lifted after offering a "clarification" on his original statement in response to the EHRC and a hastily convened disciplinary panel, the timing of which is very suspect considering some of Corbyn's close friends have been waiting 18 months for their disciplinary hearings.

After understandable outrage Keir Starmer has refused to let Corbyn back into the Parliamentary Labour Party and the Corbynites and Jew obsessed cranks are so so angry they've got ANOTHER petition on the go.

Meanwhile only 21% of the general public say Corbyn should be let back in and only 32% of Labour voters.

And just like Trump, Corbyn's racist wife and racist son are getting angry too. Corbyn's racist wife filmed her poor racist husband being asked questions by journalists as he left his house. #hugsforjeremy

by Anonymousreply 27311/18/2020

Who lifts the suspension? Doesn't Keir have a hand in that?

by Anonymousreply 27411/18/2020

[quote]If one had to expel every antisemitic politician in the US there'd be no one in the parties - except Jews.

Huh? The majority of politicians in the US are not antiemetic. lol. Our government is probably the only one that gives Bibi Netanyahu a standing ovation.

by Anonymousreply 27511/18/2020

R275 Same with the Australia's two major parties. Can't recall a whiff of antisemitism from either of them. The Australian Greens on the other hand are largely rabidly anti-semitic and barely anybody calls them out for it.

by Anonymousreply 27611/18/2020

A former Labour MP who lost her seat in the Tory landslide last year has quit the party because of how Poor Jeremy has been treated.

One racist pensioner out, another few hundred to go.

by Anonymousreply 27711/18/2020

[quote]If one had to expel every antisemitic politician in the US there'd be no one in the parties - except Jews.

Nancy Pelosi is antisemetic? Joe Biden? Please give us a list of all these antisemetic politicians in the US.

by Anonymousreply 27811/21/2020

I don’t think people here quote understand how obsessed Brits are with Jews and Israel not to mention coming up with Jewish conspiracy theories, even still depicting Jews with big noses. The country’s antisemitism problem is at an all-time high.

by Anonymousreply 27911/21/2020

Europe in general is just sooooo much more antisemetic than America. Corbyn is a loser. He makes Sanders seem like a genius by comparison. He speaks for his narrow fanbase, nobody else. Even lifelong Labour supporters were disgusted by Corbyn and couldn't bother to vote for him. Labour doesn't seem t have figured this out though. Whereas the Dems learned a lot after 2016 and are constantly learning, Labour seems to be content with their gigantic losses. They haven't learned shit. It would be like the Dems constantly promoting the squad throughout the entire nation even though they only appeal to their specific districts.

by Anonymousreply 28011/21/2020

R280 obviously hasn't kept up with the latest developments.

by Anonymousreply 28111/21/2020

[quote]Nancy Pelosi is antisemetic?

Nancy Pelosi showed more leadership standing up to Corbyn's contempt for Jews than the majority of Labour MPs did.

The picture she tweeted of their meeting last year showed exactly what she thought of him, especially when compared to the photo she shared of herself with 3 MPs who quit the party over antisemitism, Corbyn's pro Brexit position and his response to Putin over the Novichok attack in Salisbury.

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[quote] obviously hasn't kept up with the latest developments.

And they are???

by Anonymousreply 28311/21/2020

[quote]Europe in general is just sooooo much more antisemetic than America. Corbyn is a loser. He makes Sanders seem like a genius by comparison. He speaks for his narrow fanbase, nobody else. Even lifelong Labour supporters were disgusted by Corbyn and couldn't bother to vote for him. Labour doesn't seem t have figured this out though. Whereas the Dems learned a lot after 2016 and are constantly learning, Labour seems to be content with their gigantic losses. They haven't learned shit. It would be like the Dems constantly promoting the squad throughout the entire nation even though they only appeal to their specific districts.

If Labour wants to survive then it has to purge all the Jew obsessed cranks and start afresh. Like Trump has done with the Republicans there is a now a betrayal/cheat narrative around Corbyn that HE is the victim in all of this, that the Jews are the ones persecuting him. Kids are going to grow up being told how they had an evil Tory government who starved them because Jews stopped Jeremy Corbyn becoming Prime Minister and giving them free school meals and other minority groups are repeatedly told that Jews get special treatment. For a virulent anti semite like Corbyn. this one of two areas where his leadership was a total success, Brexit being the other.

Many Labour party members just don't care that they are making the party's legal position untenable and leave it open to even more legal action on top of what's already taking place. Starmer has a mountain to climb.

by Anonymousreply 28411/21/2020

R284, I agree completely. It's like half of Labour doesn't care about winning elections, only "purity". I find his sympathy for terrorist groups around the world bizarre. He had no place being the leader of Labour. He is the type of person who does best at cheerleading their own special causes, not leading a nation. Joe Biden is someone who has what it takes to unite most of America (even if he doesn't atually succeed). CAn you imagine most of Britain ever supporting someone like Corbyn? I find the talk of Corbyn being a victim even more nauseating than all the talk of the DNC "rigging" the 2016 primary for HRC. He was a victim of his own foolishness and narrow-minded vision.

by Anonymousreply 28511/21/2020

There's talk of Keir Starmer facing a leadership challenge from the hard left Corbyn supporting cranks who filled senior positions when Corbyn was leader.

The most likely challenger is this man, Ian Lavery - he stole £165,000 of cash from a union meant for sick miners and was happy to pose with his son who had "blacked up", but like Corbyn he's hailed an anti racist.

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Corbyn is no longer a Labour MP, r283. That's a pretty big development.

by Anonymousreply 28711/21/2020

R287, that wasn't the overall point of my post though. Even after the elections, it was Labour members who were procliaming the lesson they learned from it were to go more to the left....when the election showed the exact opposite!

by Anonymousreply 28811/21/2020

“Europe in general is just sooooo much more antisemetic than America.”

R280 this is like saying water has a higher fat content than air. The USA is the most pro Israel state outside of Israel itself. You’re cynically exploiting this for your own narrative. Better off being honest about it. I’m not denying the existence of anti-semitism. I’m sure you would have said Bernie was anti-semitic only for his being Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 28911/21/2020

The future of Dems if they don't watch the left flank.

by Anonymousreply 29011/21/2020

R289, you're delusional. The fact that America is pro-israel doesn't make Europe free of anti-semitism. France for instance has huge issues with anti-semitism. You seem to be the one cynically exploiting America's pro-Israel stance for your bogus dismissal.

by Anonymousreply 29111/21/2020

[quote][R289], you're delusional. The fact that America is pro-israel doesn't make Europe free of anti-semitism. France for instance has huge issues with anti-semitism. You seem to be the one cynically exploiting America's pro-Israel stance for your bogus dismissal.

The same poster replied earlier in this thread that Labour being found guilty of breaching equality law and harassment of Jews was "a storm in a teacup" and blamed the crisis on Corbyn's enemies, i.e. THE JEWS standing up for themselves.

They poster is not just delusional, they're an anti Israel obsessive who will overlook any form of prejudice against Jews to attack his least favourite country in the world.

by Anonymousreply 29211/21/2020

R291 my point was that saying that ‘one thing is far more anti-Semitic than this other thing’ is kind of redundant and meaningless when the second variable is probably the second least anti-Semitic country in the world. You need to take it down a gear and read things slowly before replying.

R292 ditto...I didn’t blame the crisis on ‘THE JEWS’ at all. I think Corbyn’s right wing enemies (and enemies within his own party and enemies in the press) took a calculated position to use the self righteous and just anger of Jewish members of the Labour Party and Jewish people in the UK for the purposes of getting rid of him politically. I do believe that there was an organized hijacking of these peoples anger and that to make the most of the situation the charges were exaggerated and a little trumped up. IMHO the document published bears this out, only really ascertaining procedural crimes on the part of the Labour Party under Corbyn (not incl the actions of individual members which was not party endorsed). Your last part re my supposed anti-Israel stance is speculative and hysterical, much like how this whole drama played out. You prove my point in essence.

Am unfollowing the thread now, you’re not engaging calmly or honestly.

by Anonymousreply 29311/21/2020

[quote] Am unfollowing the thread now, you’re not engaging calmly or honestly.

Says the person who brought in "Israel" to dismiss the large amount of anti-semitism in Europe.

by Anonymousreply 29411/21/2020

Britain's Melania, aka Jeremy Corbyn's racist third wife Laura Alvarez, is now in full crank mode and calling for Keir Starmer to be challenged as Labour leader, and is retweeting notorious racist accounts. She filmed a video of journalists waiting outside her house waiting to ask Corbyn about his suspension when he left. as evidence he is being persecuted. Can you imagine America's Melania doing that? Show some dignity hun!

There's even a new organisation set up to defend Corbyn's values - "The Cosmos" is Corbynism Socialist Movements is a "concept of serious discussions and campaigns" and they're planning a Twitter storm on Sunday morning at 10.30 with the hashtag #jeremycorbyn40facts.

There's also another Twitter storm on Sunday at 6pm with the hashtag #wesupportcorbyn

And there's yet another petition, to go with the countless other petitions.

Has Donald Trump tried a petition to overturn the Pennsylvania result?

by Anonymousreply 29511/22/2020

R288, I don't recall any Labour members proclaiming the party should have gone even further left than Corbyn and it lost the election because it wasn't left enough. Corbynites - such as Ian Lavery - have tried to undermine Starmer by using the excuse that Labour lost because of its policy of a second referendum on Brexit. This was indeed a policy advocated by Starmer but it's also one that Corbyn was eventually pushed into not just by the party but by events in parliament.

The Corbynites so-called argument against Starmer is that it's the proposal of a second referendum that pushed northern working-class Brexit supporters who traditionally voted Labour into the arms of the Tories. The truth is that the traditional northern working-class Labour voters absolutely detested Corbyn, and that is why they didn't vote Labour. The middle-class traditional pro-EU Labour voters also hate Corbyn, and millions of them voted Liberal Democrats and Greens instead of Labour.

Labour lost millions of votes at the last election solely due to Corbyn, both leave and remain voters. Slime like Lavery think they can distract from Corbyn's unpopularity by blaming Starmer and the second referendum proposal, but it's really because everyone hated Corbyn.

No one is saying that Labour lost because Corbyn wasn't left-wing enough though.

by Anonymousreply 29611/22/2020

Good r295, this will show them just how little support the hard left and Corbyn really have, both in the Labour party membership and in the electorate as a whole. They will expose themselves as crazed, power-hungry ideologues. Lavery really should challenge Starmer, he won't get anywhere and will instead damage the hard left in Labour.

This fight within the Labour party is going to happen anyway so it might as well happen now, particularly since a general election won't take place for a few years and the country in general is in a state of flux and there are zillions of other things to distract from Labour's woes. By the time we get to the next election, Starmer will have cleared this slime out.

by Anonymousreply 29711/22/2020

The photo that COSMOS is using for the #jeremycorbyn40facts Twitter storm features him with a couple of Jews in an effort to prove he's not an antisemite.

Worth pointing out that the guy second from right is Shraga Stern, a fringe figure who claimed that thousands of Jews would leave the UK if an anti gay bullying programme was taught in schools. He was a prominent voice in the anti gay protests last summer when originally Muslim protesters formed barricades outside schools to try and stop parents letting their kids in.

This is who Jeremy Corbyn and his racist third wife are friends with.

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by Anonymousreply 29811/22/2020

This article is from July last year - the state of moral decay the party was in under Corbyn's leadership was obvious, but they carried on up to the election.

As I said earlier in one of my many posts, Corbyn's lifelong association with people who have killed Jews, have tried to kill Jews, think about killing Jews or just hate Jews without wanting to cause them physical harm meant that ANY criticism of Boris Johnson and HIS lifelong habit of causing provoking and causing deliberate offence to black people, muslims, immigrants, women, gays, the disabled etc meant he had an easy go to defence of "You're criticising me - look at Corbyn's record!"

That so many Labour MPs stood silent and watched their Jewish female colleagues be bullied out of the party makes it easier for Tory MPs to defend Priti Patel's bullying. Emily Thornberry is vomit inducing at the best of times but whoever in Labour felt she would be a good person to do media over the last week and attack the Tories over Priti Patel while describing Jeremy Corbyn as "kind" is shameless. When Luciana Berger, Chuka Ummuna and co left the party over racism, Thornberry's response was to say she'd rather die than leave the Labour Party, mocked Ummuna for being bald and said "We are the future, they are the past". The woman is 110% pure arsehole.

Although I wouldn't vote Labour for the foreseeable future I do believe Keir Starmer is a decent and honourable man, but his character is tainted by his support for Corbyn and his efforts to make him Prime Minister.

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by Anonymousreply 29911/22/2020

The state of Britain is frightening and that’s saying a lot from an American. I’ve never seen a Western country go down the shitter so fast in my lifetime. They’ve turned in Florida. Their countrymen are white trash banging pots and pants through the streets with stains on their tank tops, guts hanging out without wearing masks screaming Covid is a hoax. It’s insane.

by Anonymousreply 30011/22/2020

We're not all like Corbyn's brother, r300.

by Anonymousreply 30111/22/2020

We're not all like Corbyn's brother, r300.

by Anonymousreply 30211/22/2020

Corbyn's brother is hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 30311/22/2020

The UK always had a problem with dirty money in politics. They will be a little Russia type shithole in a decade.

Democratic countries are on the decline. Not sure how long it takes until Poland and Italy start slipping. The greed of politicians for self enrichment and an oligarchy type of government is everywhere.

Remember the Hapsburg Group or when former German chancellor Gerhard Schröder accepted a job on the boards of Rosneft and Gazprom.

by Anonymousreply 30411/22/2020

R304, Poland is already slipping along with Hungary.

by Anonymousreply 30511/22/2020

Anti-semitism? I’m surprised he hasn’t been executed for treason already.

by Anonymousreply 30611/22/2020

Last weekend Keir Starmer was on Desert Island Discs and got a lot of positive coverage - he talked about his relationship with his parents and how his dad worked very hard but was quite distant but was amazing looking after Keir's mother who had serious health problems and not been expected to live past the age of 20.

Naturally Corbyn fans were furious became Jeremy has never been on Desert Island Discs, despite Diane Abbott, Baroness Shami Chakrabarti of Kennington, Baroness Floella Benjamin, Nicola Sturgeon, Theresa May, Boris Johnson all having been on the show.

So now Jeremy is doing his own Desert Island Discs and you can watch it on Wednesday! Looking forward to hearing some Alison Chabloz, Wiley, Gilad Atzmon, Wagner, Lowkey and a lovely version of Tomorrow Belongs To Me, possibly sung by his racist third wife.

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by Anonymousreply 30711/22/2020

Which, if any, of the following people do you think would be the best prime minister?

Boris Johnson: 31% (=)

Keir Starmer: 30% (-3)

Via @OpiniumResearch, 19-20 Nov. Changes w/ 5-6 Nov.

by Anonymousreply 30811/22/2020

Keir is DOA. Jews hate him now too. He has no charisma. Nothing.

by Anonymousreply 30911/22/2020

[quote]Keir is DOA. Jews hate him now too. He has no charisma. Nothing.

From what I can see Jews are fairly split on Starmer.

There are some who despise him for him enabling Corbyn, there are some who don't trust him but think he's better than Johnson and will wait and see what happens with him turning Labour around, and there are some who are getting behind him to give him a mandate.

Really the best thing that can happen for Labour and Starmer is a leadership challenge or the left leave and form a new party.

As for the polling, as long as Corbyn remains a headline story, Labour fare badly in the polls.

by Anonymousreply 31011/22/2020

Labour aren't really faring badly in the polls, r310. Starmer beats Johnson as best PM, and Labour poll either above or around the same as the Tories. What Labour really need in order to get more people to say they'll vote for them is to start developing policies for what they would do if they were in government. Corbyn isn't great news but he's not terrible news either. It actually helps Starmer and the party to be seeing as trying to deal with Corbyn and the hard left cranks.

by Anonymousreply 31111/23/2020

The Times reports more good news for Starmer and Labour - an exodus of the hard-left (and probably quite a few right-wing) infiltrators who joined the party because of Corbyn, With that trash out of the party and no longer so able to have a grip on the party organs, it will be far easier to take the part in a sensible direction.

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by Anonymousreply 31211/23/2020

Jeremy Corbyn is living in the wrong decade.

His time has passed and he needs to take his confused messy and unachievable ideals with him.

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by Anonymousreply 31311/23/2020

Yay, the malevolent cranks returning to their fringe micro-parties: presumably they include the Corbyn inner-circle members like Andrew Murray, a public school communist who left the actual British Communist Party to join Corbyn's team.

by Anonymousreply 31411/23/2020
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