Utah Hospitals Could Begin Rationing Care As Coronavirus Surge Overwhelms State

Are the Mormons okay with killing off their elders? I thought their elders ran the show?

I don’t think they have a choice, R1. What’s the alternative?

Weird. Wasn't the Mormon Church encouraging masks and social distancing?

This is very sad.

I knew we were screwed when the state announced all schools would re-open. They should all be telecommuting and reporting in-person for testing only in a staggered manner.

School and after-school athletics are in full swing again, too. People pack the indoor restaurants on the weekends again.

This is going to get SO much worse in the winter. I'm afraid for my Mom and I think we should skip the holidays if they don't come out with some accurate rapid testing.

But at least they got to own the libs, R4.

Anyone who plans to go to a family gathering for the fucking holidays is nuts.

[quote] Hospitals in Utah will soon be forced to begin prioritizing younger COVID-19 patients over older ones amid the surging rate of hospitalizations. Lower priority for ICU beds will be given to patients who are older.

That shows what is so fucked up when healthcare is managed, by hospitals or government. Older people get the short end of the stick. Fairness would be that no one is discriminated against because of age or that older people would get priority because they obviously need the more intensive care than young people. We don’t need Nazi theories in healthcare that values one person’s life as more important than someone else’s.

Bring on the Death Panels! Don't say I didn't warn you!

My one Mormon friend, a lovely elderly lady, has had two of her adult children and three of her grandchildren get Covid in Utah. So far they are all still alive.

She's still voting for Trump. It's very fucked up and there's nothing I can do to change her mind.

Lord, poetic justice for all the doubters, anti-maskers, Trump voters: We've only just begun.

I know a middle aged Mormon woman, too. She's very liberal about a lot of things and she has a daughter who is a married lesbian with kids. She said she'd leave the religion if she had to choose between it and supporting her daughter. We agree about tons of shit and have really funny conversations. But we can't talk politics. Her husband is a Trumper, as are several of her other kids. They've been having out of town guests visiting through the entire pandemic and, despite having some serious health problems, she's also planning to travel soon. She's cool with masks, but beyond that seems to be in a Fox News bubble. I haven't even tried to break through because it seems pointless and we'd just wind up hating each other.

R9- she'll change her mind when she gets it and dies as a result I bet. ;)

{uoqte]I don’t think they have a choice, [R1]. What’s the alternative?

I would suggest ice floe, but with it being Utah. Plus you mother fuckers and climate change...

". We don’t need Nazi theories in healthcare that values one person’s life as more important than someone else’s."

When there aren't enough ventilators or ICU beds to go around, R7, the only alternative to deciding whose life has more value is go to go pure first-come-first-serve. The fact is that when people ARE going to die for lack of care, there are no good options, but the least awful option is probably to treat those who have the highest chance of recovery. Because if you put your 90-year-old grandpa on a ventilator and give them everything a modern ICU has to offer, there's zero chance of a complete recovery. All you've accomplished is to give them a slow miserable uncomfortable death, instead of a comparatively quick and merciful one.

Although if I ruled the world, the old folks would get treated before the Anti-Maskers did.

...and you get a planet and you get a planet and you get a planet...but no ventilators.

We're all out.

Sorry.

Stop all circumcisions.

I'm just curious because I haven't read anything to confirm this or otherwise but have hospitals in the US had to make decisions of who receives care and who does not?

There had been reports that decisions were made like that in Spain & Italy earlier in the year but there were also reports denying that.

Since the elderly are the most likely to die from it wouldn't it seem they would be prioritized?

Here are the OBAMACARE DEATH PANELS Republicans warned us about!

Its hard but treating the elderly, many of whom will die anyway, would mean less of a chance for young people who are more likely to respond to ICU treatment and survive.

r18, yes, this has already been happening in hot spots, since the spring. But there was, also, a situation in the Bronx where people were seemingly being intentionally exposed to it because the hospital got 30k per confirmed case. A nurse who came in to help from out of state wore google glasses during her shifts to expose what was going on.

I have a friend in Utah who told me it was going to happen big there because the state never really shut down at all this spring. Nobody was doing much prevention, so they were ripe to get swamped by whatever wave this is now.

I’m honestly at a point where I don’t have the stamina to empathize with any of these stupid sheep. It’s a shame, but they spent the past four years laughing and jeering at those of us concerned about the vacuum of leadership and outright cruelty exhibited by Trump and his flying monkeys. It’s all been a hilarious game until now. They are just reaping what they’ve sown.

But aren't the younger ones more likely to live regardless?

[quote] When there aren't enough ventilators or ICU beds to go around, [R7], the only alternative to deciding whose life has more value is go to go pure first-come-first-serve.

No, the alternative is to select the patient who is less likely to survive without the ICU bed. That selection should be made without judging that one person’s life is more valuable or worthy because they theoretically have more years to live.

[quote] Since the elderly are the most likely to die from it wouldn't it seem they would be prioritized?

Yes, that would be the conclusion of rational people who see all lives being equal.

An extension of the illogic of saving the young over the old would be saving white patients over black ones since black people with Covid are 2.3 times more likely to die.

No ICU beds for anyone who watches Fux and thinks the virus is a hoax.

Die at home and be quick about it.

r20, see r8 and try to keep up.

[QUOTE] But aren't the younger ones more likely to live regardless?

Only if they receive treatment, R25. You can’t just do nothing and hope to survive.

We are all only on this earth for as long as the Lord chooses, there is no point in trying to change reality.

It begins.

Why does this fucking hate state even exist at all? Fucking Mormons should all be killed for trying to steal our marriage rights away.

Killing ALL the right people

[QUOTE] Killing ALL the right people

Joe Biden got 37% of the vote in Utah. Nearly half a million people. Your fellow Democrats will be dying there too.

How can anyone be a Democrat and live in that shit hole hate state?

There are Democrats in every state. Look at an election map and see how Biden got votes in the reddest of states. 400K in Arkansas. 700K in Kentucky.

Then leave so you won’t get hurt when we bomb the deplorables into extinction.

" Your fellow Democrats will be dying there too."

Except that democrats are more likely to follow the preventive measures that have been recomended by every sane and reputable source.

No, the anti-maskers and rally attenders will be dying in much larger numbers.

Those measures help but their efficacy is dramatically reduced if the public at large won’t follow them. The anti-maskers are endangering and spreading the virus to all citizens no matter their political persuasion.