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Evangelical Giant John Piper drops hammer on Trumpism

This article is probably as close as you will get to an answer on how I will vote in the upcoming presidential election.

Probably?

Right. Only God knows what may happen in the next days.

Nothing I say here is intended to dictate how anyone else should vote, but rather to point to a perspective that seems to be neglected. Yes, this perspective sways my vote. But you need not be sinning if you weigh matters differently.

Actually, this is a long-overdue article attempting to explain why I remain baffled that so many Christians consider the sins of unrepentant sexual immorality (porneia), unrepentant boastfulness (alazoneia), unrepentant vulgarity (aischrologia), unrepentant factiousness (dichostasiai), and the like, to be only toxic for our nation, while policies that endorse baby-killing, sex-switching, freedom-limiting, and socialistic overreach are viewed as deadly.

The reason I put those Greek words in parentheses is to give a graphic reminder that these are sins mentioned in the New Testament. To be more specific, they are sins that destroy people. They are not just deadly. They are deadly forever. They lead to eternal destruction (2 Thessalonians 1:9).

They destroy persons (Acts 12:20–23). And through persons, they destroy nations (Jeremiah 48:29–31, 42).

Persons

Forgiveness through Christ is always possible where there is repentance and childlike trust in Jesus. But where humble repentance is absent, the sins condemn.

The New Testament teaches that “those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God” (Galatians 5:21) and that “those who practice such things deserve to die” (Romans 1:32).

To which you may say, “So what? Rejecting Jesus as Lord also leads to death, but you are willing to vote for a non-Christian, aren’t you?” I am, assuming there is enough overlap between biblical uprightness and the visible outworking of his character and convictions.

My point so far is simply to raise the stakes of what is outwardly modeled in leadership, so that Christians are given pause. It is not a small thing to treat lightly a pattern of public behaviors that lead to death.

Nations

In fact, I think it is a drastic mistake to think that the deadly influences of a leader come only through his policies and not also through his person.

“Flagrant boastfulness, vulgarity, and factiousness are not only self-incriminating; they are nation-corrupting.” Tweet Share on Facebook This is true not only because flagrant boastfulness, vulgarity, immorality, and factiousness are self-incriminating, but also because they are nation-corrupting. They move out from centers of influence to infect whole cultures. The last five years bear vivid witness to this infection at almost every level of society.

This truth is not uniquely Christian: “A little leaven leavens the whole lump” (1 Corinthians 5:6). “Bad company ruins good morals” (1 Corinthians 15:33). Whether you embrace that company in your house or on social media, it corrupts. There are sins that “lead people into more and more ungodliness” as “their talk [spreads] like gangrene” (2 Timothy 2:16–17).

There is a character connection between rulers and subjects. When the Bible describes a king by saying, “He sinned and made Israel to sin” (1 Kings 14:16), it does not mean he twisted their arm. It means his influence shaped the people. That’s the calling of a leader. Take the lead in giving shape to the character of your people. So it happens. For good or for ill.

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by Anonymousreply 25October 25, 2020 5:09 PM

They want Pence for President. Don't be fooled.

by Anonymousreply 1October 22, 2020 4:41 PM

why didn't he just say Trump is evil?

by Anonymousreply 2October 22, 2020 4:44 PM

Way to go on saying things any normal person knew about Trump decades ago. The countless marriages and affairs incl. bringing Marla on vacation with his family plus the gross headlines he pushed weren't enough for you rubes in the rest of the country?

Why don't these Christians face reality? All you have to do is look at the image of Jesus to know precisely why so-called Christians worship Trump. They can't even accept that their very savior undoubtedly was a darker man from the MIDDLE EAST who didn't speak English and where many a Trump supporter refer to the people living there as "towelheads" and "ragheads" as if Jesus didn't inevitably wear those things under the sun.

We all know precisely why they support Trump and Republican policies.

by Anonymousreply 3October 22, 2020 4:45 PM

[quote] why didn't he just say Trump is evil?

Because they are used to seeing Bible passages to tell them what to believe and do. They need that support given that they don’t think for themselves.

by Anonymousreply 4October 22, 2020 4:47 PM

What always makes me laugh about evangelical Christians is that they rarely quote actual gospel. It is always Old Testament or Paul’s letters. There never seems to be much actual Christianity.

by Anonymousreply 5October 22, 2020 4:53 PM

Paul absolutely ruined Christianity, I'm convinced. If only his letters could be expunged from the record.

by Anonymousreply 6October 22, 2020 4:55 PM

Conservative columnist Rod Dreher in response to Piper's column:

"I think Joe Biden is probably a far more personally decent man than Donald Trump. But look at the policies he supports. I don’t share his conviction that Trump’s sins are equally destructive as Biden’s. Trump does not support the right to murder the unborn. Trump doesn’t consider it important to protect the right of children to be jacked up with cross-sex hormones. The beliefs that lead Biden to endorse unrestricted abortion and transgenderism in children are terribly destructive to the nation."

That's the mentality we're dealing with.

by Anonymousreply 7October 22, 2020 4:57 PM

[quote]Trump does not support the right to murder the unborn.

I don't have twitter. Can someone tell this genius about the dead fetus cocktail that helped Trump cure his covid and that's he's been promoting nonstop?

Can someone also tell this genius that there have been countless, hypocritical conservatives including Trump and members of his staff who believe in abortion to the point of slipping an abortion drug into a mistress's drink?

Trump would jump into a pool of the unborn if you could make money off of it. This is conservative is a moron. Trump only believes in making money. he has NO conscience whatsoever. These people need stop acting like children who believe in Santa Claus and accept they follow a childish demon.

by Anonymousreply 8October 22, 2020 5:02 PM

HE* could make money off of it

by Anonymousreply 9October 22, 2020 5:03 PM

Apologies for all of the syntax errors. This shit is just so infuriating that I didn't even bother to proofread.

by Anonymousreply 10October 22, 2020 5:04 PM

I can't stand Evangelicals, but if statements like this get a few of those buffoons to switch their vote in key states, I'm all for it. They can be dealt with afterwards.

by Anonymousreply 11October 22, 2020 5:06 PM

R6, if Paul were alive now he would be walking around with a sandwich board proclaiming that the end of the world was nigh. He believed it was back then too apparently. Not a pleasant man.

by Anonymousreply 12October 22, 2020 5:09 PM

[quote] Why don't these Christians face reality?

Because they're the types of people who can't deal with anything that goes against their screwed up belief system. They were raised by the same sorts of people, and it's all they know. They go through life lying themselves into believing anything they want to believe, not what the truth may be. It's their safety net for when the truth is just too awful for them to imagine. It's a mental illness of some sort. Of that I'm sure. They will never change without extensive treatment, which we all know they'll never get.

by Anonymousreply 13October 22, 2020 5:16 PM

[quote] This shit is just so infuriating that I didn't even bother to proofread.

That is why you fail.

by Anonymousreply 14October 22, 2020 5:20 PM

John Piper is hugely influential

by Anonymousreply 15October 23, 2020 12:27 PM

For evangelicals there are only two issues:

1. abortion

2. homosexuality

That's it.

by Anonymousreply 16October 23, 2020 12:49 PM

Sexual purity in general is huge, as is gender roles, and Public role for Christian practice and faith

by Anonymousreply 17October 23, 2020 12:54 PM

Exclusive: President Trump says that he no longer identifies as a Presbyterian and now sees himself as a non-denominational Christian.

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by Anonymousreply 18October 25, 2020 1:03 PM

....and if it would gain him votes, he would declare that he has always been Druid.

by Anonymousreply 19October 25, 2020 1:25 PM

Yup, just give me that old time religion

by Anonymousreply 20October 25, 2020 2:00 PM

What Church does he attend?

by Anonymousreply 21October 25, 2020 2:06 PM

The Church of $

by Anonymousreply 22October 25, 2020 2:14 PM

He only goes to church when campaigning

by Anonymousreply 23October 25, 2020 2:18 PM

He's seen more bibles in hotel nightstands than churches.

by Anonymousreply 24October 25, 2020 3:52 PM

*Are* there bibles in Trump hotels’ nightstands?? (assuming that Gideon is still passing them out) Can someone please check?

by Anonymousreply 25October 25, 2020 5:09 PM
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