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Drag queen terminology question

A friend and I were talking about drag queens yesterday, and I said I've never enjoyed the kind who are on "RuPaul's Drag Race": the ones who wear so much over-the-top make-up they look like they're Kabuki performers, and who wear outrageous costumes with lots of glitter and sequins, and who behave cuntily and outrageously and harass people in clubs.

But my friend pointed out (and I agreed) that I enormously love drag queens like Charles Busch and Clinton "Miss Coco Peru" Leupp and Justin "Kiki Durane" Bond (from "Kiki and Herb"), who are all trying to play recognizable (if exaggerated) versions of real women, and who are not trying to get attention by being simply flashy and obnoxious, but who are genuinely funny and often charmingly self-deprecating in their acts. (Coco Peru does wear heavy makeup and has that outrageous wig, but she doesn't wear glitter or sequins, and she doesn't often act like a cunt to other people.) Does this latter kind of performer have a name to differentiate them from the other kinds of drag queens?

by Anonymousreply 1510/16/2020

Drag Race is a competition show, which incentivises outdoing the other contestants.

Drag is a wide and varied artform.

by Anonymousreply 110/16/2020

OK, r1: but is there indeed a term for the two different kinds of drag queens I've outlined? That's my question.

I would be hard pressed to call Charles Busch or Drew Droege "drag queens," even though they are most memorable as performers when they are dressed as women. (Drew Droege does the hilarious Chloe Sevigny videos)

by Anonymousreply 210/16/2020

I love bad, silly drag way more than "formal" drag.

by Anonymousreply 310/16/2020

I think of queens who entertain live vs. lip-syncing and twirling and being fishy as "female impersonators."

by Anonymousreply 410/16/2020

I like Lady Bunny better than all of em.

by Anonymousreply 510/16/2020

Paul O'Grady aka Lily Savage had this to say about RuPaul's Drag Race

[quote]No, I can’t bear it. No really I can’t. That’s not drag! It’s all about shading and contouring your face now and being like supermodels. In my day we had the likes of Phil Starr, who was a glorious comedian… we had Marc Fleming, Auntie Flo, Mrs Shufflewick. We had great comedians in drag. This new brigade who just parade around going, sashay, shantay – that’s not drag to me. Drag is doing an act. That’s dressing up. That [Drag Race] is transvestism. Drag is an act, where you get up, you do your act, you get changed and you go home – you don’t parade round the streets doing all this business. I’ve no interest in it whatsoever, none at all.

by Anonymousreply 610/16/2020

But straight women contour now.

Which forces drag queens to up their ante.

by Anonymousreply 710/16/2020

I agree...I've always considered the type Lily Savage describes as "camp"--the comedy type, like Bunny, Bianca and Bob. Then you have the "pageant" which are the "look at me I am a beautiful woman" type (where performers get cosmetic surgeries, implants, etc. Instagram has created the "costume" types (Kim Chi, etc) who are more of the photo variety (filters, lighting, etc).

I always preferred camp.

by Anonymousreply 810/16/2020

[quote] Then you have the "pageant" which are the "look at me I am a beautiful woman" type (where performers get cosmetic surgeries, implants, etc. Instagram has created the "costume" types (Kim Chi, etc) who are more of the photo variety (filters, lighting, etc).

Women do all those things now.

So drag queens have to.

by Anonymousreply 910/16/2020

This feels like a stealth homophobic anti-drag thread.

by Anonymousreply 1010/16/2020

r10 feels like a woke witch-hunting asshole.

by Anonymousreply 1110/16/2020

[R10] is the Misogyny troll who hates women, thinks he's the most oppressed man in the history of history, calls women cunts, dykes, fish, gashes etc, and thinks women should give up their single sex spaces for gay men and trans women to share them but is repulsed by transgender men.

Is that a fair resume Troll?

by Anonymousreply 1210/16/2020

Not everyone in drag can be a Queen, hunty! Can I get an “Amen?”

by Anonymousreply 1310/16/2020

r6, Paul O'Grady made a grave error by omitting Flip Wilson's Geraldine. And what about the legions of Brits on the BBC shows?

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by Anonymousreply 1410/16/2020

[quote] you don’t parade round the streets doing all this business. I’ve no interest in it whatsoever, none at all.

Every street needs a drag queen parading on it 24/7.

by Anonymousreply 1510/16/2020
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