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Ahead of election anyone else thinking about Abraham Lincoln?

Clearly, a great leader is needed at this time. Sadly, neither candidate seems to fit the bill. Maybe no one remotely qualified wants the job? I read Lincoln's 2nd inaugural speech, which is so poignant now given our extreme political and social divisiveness. Speaking about the outcome of the Civil War, Lincoln, an agnostic but a man of his time, considers the situation philosophically:

"The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes."

It's really quite an interesting point of view to ponder. Abe, if you're out there give us a sign. Where is our great leader? Can we salvage one from the wreckage of this unprecedented shit storm?

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by Anonymousreply 30October 11, 2020 2:19 PM

Read Team of Rivals. People underestimated Lincoln, and he was no one’s first choice.

by Anonymousreply 1October 10, 2020 4:24 AM

It's your own fault if you didn't vote for Warren.

by Anonymousreply 2October 10, 2020 4:25 AM

Go fuck yourself, OP

by Anonymousreply 3October 10, 2020 4:33 AM

It's the "Both Sides" troll.

by Anonymousreply 4October 10, 2020 4:34 AM

Thank you R1. I will look it up!

by Anonymousreply 5October 10, 2020 4:39 AM

Hey r4 I am not the Both Sides troll, altho I assume they are a huuuge Judy Collins fan.

by Anonymousreply 6October 10, 2020 4:40 AM

True greatness doesn't come along that often but I think we deserve someone extraordinary after Biden. Maybe Harris will be a revelation.

by Anonymousreply 7October 10, 2020 5:44 AM

I miss getting to play with Lincoln’s Log- even when it ain’t election time.

Also, Mary Todd was a cunt. A fat cunt whose dresses swallowed Abe, but not as much as I could, hunty!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 8October 10, 2020 5:48 AM

Thinking more about Booth.

by Anonymousreply 9October 10, 2020 6:57 AM

Looks like not too many deep thinkers on here at the moment. C'est dommage. Could be a great thread...

by Anonymousreply 10October 11, 2020 4:52 AM

Been thinking a lot about death to tyrants!

by Anonymousreply 11October 11, 2020 4:53 AM

Juxtaposition: the hideous vs. the beautiful - Gainsbourg avec Birkin. This is where we are at people!!

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by Anonymousreply 12October 11, 2020 4:58 AM

Ecouter l'histoire! Gainsbourg avec Bardot

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by Anonymousreply 13October 11, 2020 5:00 AM

Lincoln was bisexual. You know we don't trust bisexuals around here!!

by Anonymousreply 14October 11, 2020 5:06 AM

Lincoln was followed by Andrew Johnson, the worst American President until Donald Trump. Jon Meacham spoke about Johnson on MSNBC last night, lots of interesting parallels I didn't know about. Johnson attempted to reverse a lot of the positive policies that Lincoln introduced. And like Trump, Johnson unleashed an army or white supremacists... but he was harshly rejected when Ulysses S. Grant comfortably defeated him in the next election. It started to give me hope.

But then I remembered that, unlike Trump, Johnson didn't have Vladimir Putin and Fox News assisting him.

by Anonymousreply 15October 11, 2020 5:29 AM

Naw, playa.

by Anonymousreply 16October 11, 2020 5:30 AM

Lincoln was also preceded by two historically ineffective presidents - Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan. Neither of his predecessors did anything of consequence to prevent the Civil War. You can't have everything. But one GREAT leader can nullify a lot of krap that comes along before and after.

by Anonymousreply 17October 11, 2020 5:47 AM

I have heard it before but are the bisexual rumors real and corroborated?

by Anonymousreply 18October 11, 2020 5:52 AM

More from the address:

Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered; that of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!" If we shall suppose that American Slavery is one of those offences which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South, this terrible war, as the woe due to those by whom the offence came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a Living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope -- fervently do we pray -- that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bond-man's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said f[our] three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether"

With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan to do all which may achieve and cherish a just, and a lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations.

by Anonymousreply 19October 11, 2020 5:54 AM

R18, He was a theatre queen.

by Anonymousreply 20October 11, 2020 6:00 AM

The republican party hasn’t been the party of Lincoln since Lincoln.

by Anonymousreply 21October 11, 2020 6:22 AM

"Ghost Abe, please give us a sign!!!"

What a great thinker you are, OP / R10! I'm amazed! Why can't we all be just as smart as you?????

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by Anonymousreply 22October 11, 2020 6:40 AM

I thought it was brilliant when Kamala brought up Lincoln in regards to the SC. It showed how that Republican party has no resemblance to the current Neo-Nazi shits who run it.

by Anonymousreply 23October 11, 2020 6:55 AM

Thomas Jefferson was amazing and he built a beautiful campus at UVA. The grounds are a thing of beauty. Those little rooms connected by those old mansions with the big rotunda in the center. Jefferson was a master architect.

by Anonymousreply 24October 11, 2020 8:24 AM

Anyone see the Discovery ID show on what’s believed to be a recently discovered photo of a dead Abe Lincoln?

by Anonymousreply 25October 11, 2020 10:52 AM

That was a great show r25. I think the evidence proves it is Lincoln on deathbed.

by Anonymousreply 26October 11, 2020 11:46 AM

Agreed, R26, but not to confuse anyone, the pic is not of Lincoln merely on his deathbed, but one of him taken after he died.

by Anonymousreply 27October 11, 2020 1:24 PM

[quote]Clearly, a great leader is needed at this time. Sadly, neither candidate seems to fit the bill.

No, we just need a better-than-Trump president.

by Anonymousreply 28October 11, 2020 1:26 PM

[quote] Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them. -Shakespeare

Lincoln had greatness thrust upon him. Biden could be that man, as well.

by Anonymousreply 29October 11, 2020 1:58 PM

"Sadly, neither candidate seems to fit the bill."

Seriously eat a big pile of shit.

by Anonymousreply 30October 11, 2020 2:19 PM
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