Does anyone actually believe Jack Wrangler was gay?

Yes, I do believe he was. But, he was no longer gay after he met me.

Not even a hot photo, OP? Tsk. Tsk.

I figured we all knew what he looked like at this point.

He still did gay porn. He fucked a woman for the first time on camera in "China Sisters" and while he is doing that another woman comes in a shoves a dildo into him. You can Google at xhamster.com He was out very young and his wife understood he had needs and looked the other way.

[quote]his wife understood he had needs and looked the other way.

Only because there was a very fine cloisonné in that direction.

Jack and Margaret were both gay. They had the old fashioned arrangement. But, jack loved trade and Margaret came home to Jack tied to a chair in the ransacked apartment too many times.

[R4] I thought he did more than on hetero scene but that doesn't really mean he wasn't gay-for-pay. The way you worded that also makes it sound like his entire gay porn career he was married. I thought he got married after and quit gay porn? [R6] This doesn't make sense either. How do you know this? Didn't their "agreement" entail him staying away from men?

Lavender Marriage? OK I forgive him.

He married Helen Lawson, I mean really?

I did not know the old wife was a lady parts licker? For real?

Never heard of him, honestly.

The OP is full and speculation and generalization with no evidence in support

R12 My "speculation" has more basis in fact and data than whatever "gossip" you old queens use as fact. Fact 1, He married a woman. Fact 2, he did straight porn after gay porn then quit gay porn altogether. Fact 3, he called himself gay yet said he couldn't be in a relationship with a man . Fact 4, after quitting gay porn, going to straight porn, and then marrying a woman he was never seen with a man again. So a smart person or someone that uses available date would be able to hypothesize two things. Either he's bisexual with a preference towards woman (not gay like he claims) or he was never gay to begin with. Just gay-for-pay.

[quote} Fact 4, after quitting gay porn, going to straight porn, and then marrying a woman he was never seen with a man again.

He was never seen with a man again? What were you his stalker? The third to last porn he made was gay. He clearly says in his documentary "Wrangler: Anatomy of an Icon" he still had sex with guys while married. He married his best friend and neither were spring chickens.

R14 What was the point of marrying a woman than, and doing straight porn? He had no kids. Sounds to me like he was bi in denial at least.

Incel at r7

Creepy stalkers of porn actors are THE reason many who know real info will never repeat it online.

r11 needs to attend remedial Gay History 101 or risk having his Gay Card rescinded.

R11, Jack was one of the Holy Trinity of vintage gay porn, the other two being Casey Donovan and Al Parker.

Have you seen him in his porn movies? He loved having sex with men. That old fish was a money train.

Used to see him and Margaret Whiting, the wife, at the theater and cabaret venues. He looked like an old queen with teased cotton candy bleached blond hair, and she looked like a butch dyke with a platinum blond DA hairdo, She was legendary for not wearing panties.

Her big hit was Moonlight in Vermont in 1943.

I have friends who were at Northwestern with him when he was John Stillman. Definitely gay.

"What was the point of marrying a woman than, and doing straight porn? "

Let me guess, you were born after 1990, yes?

Jack Wrangler was as gay as a fucking Easter Basket, he said so. Why did he marry Margaret Whiting? Companionship? A desperate older gay? Her will? You fill in the blanks. Jack Wrangler was not BI, he was gay. Deal with it.

Her father was a famous composer, and she and her sister had a short-lived TV series in the '50s. Mabel "I have a sick headache" Albertson played their mother, and Jerry "Jerry Helper" Paris played their accompanist. I think it was a summer replacement series for "I Love Lucy."

Yes, every time he opened his mouth.

He was gay, and said so, many times.

I watched that documentary about them, but his hair was severely distracting. I have never seen hair like that.

[quote] I think it was a summer replacement series for "I Love Lucy."

For two summers. It was produced at Desilu specifically for the purpose of providing first run programs in the "I Love Lucy" timeslot.

Beginning in the late 70s and into the 80s, Margaret toured along with Rosemary Clooney, Rose Marie, and Helen O'Connell calling themselves "4 Girls 4". Over time as the original four took breaks for various reasons, Barbara McNair, Kaye Ballard, Martha Raye, and Kay Starr filled in. Although not of the same status as vocalist as the others, Bea Arthur was asked at one time if she wanted to participate. Arthur declined citing scheduling conflicts.

Yup. Fairy and dyke.

R23 It’s funny how defensive you are. I want you to slowly dust off those brain cells that haven’t been used since the Reagan era or that haven’t been damaged by poppers. Think how ridiculous it sounds that a “gay” man had sex with women on camera then married a woman. You old queens are usually the ones most angry about gay for pay men in gay porn. Constantly pointing out the logical fallacies of “straight men” doing gay porn. “Oh Dorothy these men could not possibly be straight they have sex with men!” Yet a “gay” man doing straight porn some how makes sense. I can’t imagine worshipping a man like Wrangler who basically implied men are only useful for sex but a woman is romantic life partner material. He was a fake gay. Internally and outwardly homophobic. Traitorous filth. Yet another closeted bisexual who pretended to be gay whom spread the toxic “gay is choice” vitriol to his fans. Sorry honey but as a true gay man I could never get erect or fall in love with a woman cause guess what? I’m gay. Logically nothing about Jack Wrangler claiming he’s gay makes sense. It’s a contradiction. Deal with it.

Oh Papa Tooney. We've got a Looney.

Stupid question.

OP sounds about 12.

[quote] Then he married a woman and ceased all relationships with men

Well, at least part of what you said was true.

Only around the edges, dear.

For years, he claimed that Dolores Gray was his mother. When he gained some notoriety, she threatened to sue.

He seems to have had a mother complex. He was a well known director of summer stock productions at one time. "Well known" because he was very good a keeping the old broad stars "happy", if you know what I mean. That said, I can attest that he had sex with men well after his marriage.

R39 So he was capable of having sex with multiple older women(nasty old fish pockets) and yet the people in this thread delude themselves into thinking he was gay just because he said so lol. He was bi sweeties, and he settled for a woman. While he played with men on the side because he considered them inferior for relationships. Another cold hard fact. He's dead now and even if he was alive he wouldn't your boyfriend. Because he thought men weren't worthy.

R40, uh no.

The problem with your argument is that there are people here who actually *knew* Jack Wrangler. He might have been Kinsey 5, but he was not straight or "gay-for-pay". He did not think men were not "worthy".

he was the best ass i ever ate, he was bi as it suited him....loved dick 4 shure.

beautiful tits on him. truly perfect nipples for suckling and gnawing. he was a wild fuk!!!

At a relatively late stage in his life, Wrangler was no longer able to use his looks to get ahead. He was just another boy in the band, really--and, like many others, shorter than you had expected. Still good-looking, and lively enough as a personality.

But he wasn't getting hired for those odd jobs in the arts (like directing in summer stock) the way he had been. It was going to be a hard slog from then on.

But then he had the opportunity to hook up with Margaret Whiting. She had a great apartment, a legacy from her late dad's many hit songs, and he good live easy.

It was good for her, too, as she was of the old school and needed an escort at night. It was an excellent deal for both of them.

The ridiculous chorus of loonies insisting that he was straight or bi is nonsense. He was attracted to men. Anything else he did sexually was for an ulterior motive, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I wasn't a friend of his, but for a time we moved in the same circles, and I can assure you he was gay.

OP is so young and dumb he doesn't even recognize the long tradition of middle-aged gay men romancing/escorting or just acting as "companions" to wealthy elderly widows.

This is a time worn cliche since forever, but Jaxton over here is like "HE MARRIED A WOMAN, HE CAN'T POSSIBLY BE A GAY!!!"

lets jus say he was a dam good gay actor....when needed in his life to succeed.

His father produced "Bonanza" and grew up in Beverly Hills. He didn't touch a woman until he was 32 and then it was on camera and for a paycheck.

R40, you're a nut.

R32 accuses a previous poster of being defensive and then calls Jack Wrangler "traitorous filth."

Good grief…!

He was a frequent visitor to Buzzby’s on Polk Street in the 70s. Ancient History. Nice guy and dated the GM for a bit. Gay as a picnic basket. I was there.

He produced the Broadway musical "Dream" starring Leslie Ann Warren and Margaret Whiting. No straight man would ever do that, so there!

Good ol'...

Marg and I hung out a LOT at some pretty decent clubs back in the day. Boy, I can tell you she could knock back a drink faster than Jack could swallow. Yes, Jack was gay and so what. He and Marg supported each other as good good friends and I loved them for that. No, Marg and I never became lovers and Jack didn't fuck me. That answers aLot of the Broadway Urban Legend buzz.

The bi trolls are tiresome as hell.

One of my all-time faves...

One of Richard Whiting's most famous compositions.

Loved the gay striper whores at the GAiety Theatre.....god them boys were hot. jack hired/fucked many.

Nyc went to hell when they shut it down, and closed down Rounds, the classy hore bar, another fave of his

Fuck the boys in the band , mart go write up in heaven a play bout the Gaiety and the stars who went there lookiin for the hottest stripper ho/ men in the world, madonna did a video there, the Russian bitch who ran it was legendary, the play would write itself....do it!

She WAS Helen Lawson, for chrissakes!

Sounds like gays marrying hags with money was a common thing? Was Jack Wrangler not the only gay porn star?

jack was a true gent. men and women vy for his assets in heaven above , him so fun/witty all the girls wanna hang with sir jack.

Jack says in the documentary, the first sex he ever had with a woman was on camera.

All she's remembered for is VOTD.

This is for OP. Taken from an interview he did with The Advocate in 2008.

[quote]Your romance with Margaret Whiting transcends so many stereotypes and expectations. Has it informed or changed your views on sexuality? I’m not bisexual and I’m not straight. I’m gay, but I could never live a gay lifestyle because I’m much too competitive. When I was with a guy I would always want to be better than him: what we were accomplishing, what we were wearing -- anything. With a woman you compete like crazy, but coming from different points of view, and as far as I’m concerned, that was doable. I love competing with Margaret on things, whether we’re both in a show -- one wants to get better reviews than the other -- or when I wrote my autobiography, immediately Margaret had to write hers, and she never had any intention of writing an autobiography until I wrote mine! [Laughs] That’s the kind of thing that I can live with. Also we make each other laugh.

The whole interview is at the link below.

^^^So in other words he wanted to be the man in the relationship and then only way he could get that was to marry an old woman.

"When I was with a guy I would always want to be better than him"

But... you're a whore, darlin'. Everyone is always going to be better than you.

He's gay, case closed.