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Burn advice?

My oven attacked me and I have a 2nd degree burn on my hand now. It's about an inch and a half long with one very very deep spot about the size of a pencil eraser. Hurts like hell. It's been 4 days.

I've been cleaning it several times a day with witch hazel and a lidocaine anti-bacterial wash. I was putting a topical of aloe, vit E and more lidocaine on it, but switched to this hydrogel stuff. I also switched from non-stick pads to these curad burn bandages with weird goo on them. I ice it a couple times a day and have been taking pain killers.

I still can't grip anything with my forefinger (burn is right below it) when my hand is facing downward without excruciating pain, but I can do some gripping if my hand is raised upward. Basically, it hurts like hell any time my hand is facing down.

Any suggestions for helping this heal up more quickly? Dressings or topicals or even shit I could eat?

by Anonymousreply 57October 3, 2020 2:29 PM

Manuka-honey hydrogel dressings

by Anonymousreply 1October 2, 2020 11:11 AM

Thanks, r1

by Anonymousreply 2October 2, 2020 11:12 AM

r1, I actually have the linked product in my kitchen. I've been hesitant to use it on the wound because of how hard it might be to clean it off. But do you think I should start putting it on the burn?

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by Anonymousreply 3October 2, 2020 11:17 AM

If you try it, they'll have to be medical grade. I don't know how common they are in the US but a friend just ordered some online, so it is possible to get them. Whatever you do, don't just buy a jar of Manuka honey and smear it on a bandage. It has to be very high grade in order to produce enough peroxide and a lot of honey is either fake, a mixture of Manuka and regular, or it has a weird, meaningless rating system. UMF is the good one.

by Anonymousreply 4October 2, 2020 11:18 AM

For God's sake why do people post medical questions on DL instead of going to the doctor. Go to the doctor, OP! Or a clinic, or one of those walk-in places!

by Anonymousreply 5October 2, 2020 11:18 AM

r4, it is properly rated. But if all it does it make peroxide...should I just use peroxide? I have that, too.

r5, I am not fucking risking catching The Plague over a cooking injury.

by Anonymousreply 6October 2, 2020 11:20 AM

^^Google second degree burn treatment, you moron.

by Anonymousreply 7October 2, 2020 11:22 AM

Curad has this colloidal silver ointment gel that comes in a tube and is VERY soothing. It costs about $7 and is available on Amazon. Sorry I can’t recall the name.

by Anonymousreply 8October 2, 2020 11:22 AM

Stop putting shit on it, especially witch hazel. You are keeping it from healing. Unless you see signs of infection, just keep it dry and let it heal. After it heals up you can put aloe vera and vitamin E on it.

by Anonymousreply 9October 2, 2020 11:23 AM

r7, you're going to be EJECTED into SPACE, when you least expect it.

by Anonymousreply 10October 2, 2020 11:23 AM

I think you'd be much safer with a medical-grade dressing, OP.

It isn't only the peroxide. UMF stands for 'Unique Manuka Factor', which measures a phenol-like compound.

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by Anonymousreply 11October 2, 2020 11:25 AM

r9, you don't wait to put an arm in a cast until after the bone has healed...Why would you wait to put aloe on a burn after it's healed???

r1, so is the honey I linked to at r3 ok to put on it? What about cleaning it? It's quite thick and sticky, obviously, since it's honey.

by Anonymousreply 12October 2, 2020 11:27 AM

Thanks for the link, r1 / r11. I hadn't run across those in my hunting.

Thanks r8. I think I have that stuff in my 1st aid kit. I haven't tried it on this yet because I've been sticking to stuff advertised as being specifically for burns, but maybe I'll give it a try next time I clean it.

by Anonymousreply 13October 2, 2020 11:29 AM

I don't want to say to just slap it on from a jar because the medical-grade honey is irradiated and standardised, and made specifically for burn/wound healing. But if you do decided to try it, it will draw water out of your skin and get a little runnier. It shouldn't stay as thick as it is when you put it on.

What I'm not sure of is how long that process normally takes or how long you would leave the bandage in place before removing it and cleaning the burn. The hydrogels are meant to stay on for a while. You don't need to change them every day.

by Anonymousreply 14October 2, 2020 11:35 AM

r14, ok. That's good to know. Have you used those on burns before? I've been changing these bandages at least 4 times a day.

by Anonymousreply 15October 2, 2020 11:48 AM

OP, if you're in the US, CVS sells them. It looks like these are bandages rather than hydrogels but I don't think it will matter much as it isn't a massive burn.

Good luck!

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by Anonymousreply 16October 2, 2020 11:49 AM

I use hydrogels/bandages all the time as I'm always getting cuts from cleaning my blender or burning my forearms whilst cooking. It's the standard treatment for burns/wounds in NZ and the NHS uses it now as well. As horrifying as it sounds, hospitals in NZ even pack manuka-soaked gauze into diabetics' leg ulcers.

I think I'm just overly cautious about the jar because it's someone else's burn. If it were all I had, I would definitely slap a glob on and cover it with a bit of cling wrap. That's what we all grew up doing and the bandages were more of a luxury. I don't think it would hurt anything as honey is inherently antibacterial.

by Anonymousreply 17October 2, 2020 12:01 PM

r17, my question is, with the hydrogels, I find that the edges start to peel up and get gross before the wound heals and you can't really pull it off before it heals without further injuring the site...so how do you deal with that?

by Anonymousreply 18October 2, 2020 12:06 PM

You just wanted to brag about what an expert home medic you are, OP. I see past you. This thread is not about soliciting medical advice so much as proffering it.

You did the right thing. You cleaned, antibacterialized and dressed the wound. Now you're pretending you're going to buy some fucking killer bee honey flower venom capsules to take because some queen on DL told you to.

Grow the fuck up and just wait for it to heal like you know you ought to do.

I am so sick of this shit.

by Anonymousreply 19October 2, 2020 12:08 PM

r19, lol, no, I want to be able to use my hand. It's my right hand and I'm right handed and I can't grip anything and I'm walking around with it raised like I want to be called on in class.

by Anonymousreply 20October 2, 2020 12:12 PM

[quote] and I'm walking around with it raised like I want to be called on in class.

Freudian clit, nurse Nightingale? We all know that kid was you. Best of luck. Get well soon.

by Anonymousreply 21October 2, 2020 12:14 PM

Yeah, hydrogel dressings tend to pick up lint and just overall look dirty around the edges. Maybe tape a piece of gauze over it to keep it clean so you can leave it on longer? The honey will debride the wound and make it a little weepy, so I've always had the opposite problem of sticking.

If it does stick, you can treat it the same way you would any dry bandage: lift what you can of the edges without getting too close to the burn and then soak it in sterile saline for a few minutes before trying again.

by Anonymousreply 22October 2, 2020 12:21 PM

Witch hazel is an astringent, OP. You are drying out the wound and preventing it from healing

by Anonymousreply 23October 2, 2020 12:24 PM

r23, ok, I was trying to clean it. I'll stop with the witch hazel.

by Anonymousreply 24October 2, 2020 12:28 PM

[quote]Any suggestions for helping this heal up more quickly? Dressings or topicals or even shit I could eat?

You should totally ignore it and just continue chatting with your only true friends here on the Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 25October 2, 2020 12:31 PM

If you are diabetic, the wound will never heal. You might need amputation later on, OP.

by Anonymousreply 26October 2, 2020 12:31 PM

I will echo what others have said about too much cleaning at this point.

Also, google teabags for burns. When I was a kid, I badly burned the entire palm of my hand. My mother had me both soak my hand in a bowl of room temperature Lipton tea as well as put used, cool teabags directly on my hand.

It helped the pain considerably. No idea what the best way to do it is for your burn but it might be worth a google.

by Anonymousreply 27October 2, 2020 12:34 PM

Keep the wound wet clean and covered. Change the dressing twice a day. Neosporin or some other antibiotic ointment is your friend if you don’t have the money for these Manuka honey dressings.

Also just to be on the safe side during this time avoid eating or using any raw honey – it can have botulism in it.

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by Anonymousreply 28October 2, 2020 12:37 PM

-1 hand/10

by Anonymousreply 29October 2, 2020 12:43 PM

Why not try some Duke's mayonnaise? It's the only thing you haven't slathered on your hand, it seems.

by Anonymousreply 30October 2, 2020 12:50 PM

This is definitely the best place to come for medical advice, OP!

by Anonymousreply 31October 2, 2020 12:53 PM

Is there a reason you haven't gone to your doctor, or perhaps one of those urgent care places? Maybe a dermatologist, even.

by Anonymousreply 32October 2, 2020 12:58 PM

r32, you couldn't even bother reading to r6?...

r28, I'm allergic to bacitracin/neosporin. But I will stay away from nonpasturized everything, thanks.

r27, interesting. I'll look that up. Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 33October 2, 2020 1:00 PM

Lay off, R5. And get a grip on the reality of the American health care system. Many people who have putative 'access' to medical care cannot afford to use it. So they come to Data Lounge because, as pathetic as that is, this is the best they can do.

And better coming here than to a fundie site where everyone would simply offer to pray for the poor burned guy.

by Anonymousreply 34October 2, 2020 1:02 PM

Quit fucking with it so much. Don't use anything that is drying, keep the area moist with some thing like the honey or aquaphor. Continue protecting the area with a covering. No witch hazel or peroxide or ice.

by Anonymousreply 35October 2, 2020 1:11 PM

some silver cream in a blue jar. dr. gave it to me for a burn.

by Anonymousreply 36October 2, 2020 1:20 PM

Silver Sulfadiazine

by Anonymousreply 37October 2, 2020 1:21 PM

just make sure it's covered...so it won't get infected

by Anonymousreply 38October 2, 2020 1:23 PM

R9 & R25 are correct. Stop futzing with it. No second degree burn requires disinfecting "several times a day". Third degree burns can require regular debridement, yet only after a few days when blisters and exudate occur. Most second degree burns are of the category where there are pros and cons on each side of the argument. You still would not want to initiate this process from the very beginning. It usually isn't done several times per day, even when necessary.

I would apply a thin coat of Bacitracin to the gauze pad of the bandage. If you don't see improvement, see a doctor. If you continue to use the Lidocaine, be prepared for the rebound evfect as it wears off. If you can ease off the numbing, you will eventually sense the burn less.

by Anonymousreply 39October 2, 2020 2:31 PM

^effect. Just noticed your odd allergies, in this case proceed with the Silver Sulfadiazine. Take an antihistamine with your pain reliever, as it will inhibit prostaglandins which are used to transmit pain signals.

by Anonymousreply 40October 2, 2020 2:35 PM

please put an antibiotic ointment on it and cover it..keep it from getting wet. Please change the bandage daily......that's all you should do

by Anonymousreply 41October 2, 2020 4:50 PM

OP, after you have washed it once, once is enough. The skin cleans itself with discharge. Please stop interfering with your wound. Buy a Compeed plaster and cover it. It absorbs moisture and acts like a scab.

If you like, put a little Vaseline or Paw Paw balm on the burn before applying the Compeed patch, but it’s not necessary. Compeed is available in various sizes and can be used for anything from cold sores to foot blisters.

by Anonymousreply 42October 2, 2020 5:15 PM

OP, I will say a prayer for you.

by Anonymousreply 43October 2, 2020 11:36 PM

I dropped a pot of boiling pasta water and it splashed right above my feet. Took forever. silver shit, gauze, and dressing change twice a day. Took like a month to heal. And left scarring. But it could have been worse.

by Anonymousreply 44October 2, 2020 11:51 PM

Oh, some squirt of povidone iodine to clean it before the silver stuff.

It hurt like a mother.

by Anonymousreply 45October 2, 2020 11:53 PM

R40, I’m allergic to Sulfa antibiotics, too: Sulfas, Penicillins and Fluoroquinolones.

It was itching a lot today, which I was worried meant I was allergic to the hydrogel, too. But after cleaning it (no witch hazel) tonight, it looks like the itching was from a blister trying to pop, which it did. I’ve added alginate patches to the mix. The hydrogel says I should reapply it 5-6 times a day. Does that seem weird? I’m considering just switching to the honey, but there’s now like a gross skin flap from where the blister burst that’s hanging on and I don’t want to trap it with something as gooey as the honey.

Thanks for all the input. I appreciate it. I haven’t had a bad burn in probably a dozen years and it was in a much more convenient location.

by Anonymousreply 46October 3, 2020 3:08 AM

Pure extra virgin Coconut oil 🥥

by Anonymousreply 47October 3, 2020 3:11 AM

Itching means healing, OP

by Anonymousreply 48October 3, 2020 3:43 AM

R48, usually, yeah, I’m just allergic to so many things that...sometimes it just means I’m getting contact dermatitis, etc.

I will start taking an antihistamine. With the painkiller.

Have any of you used these alginate things before? They were listed by Mayo on How To Care For a 2nd Degree Burn At Home. Apparently, made from algae. You have to put another bandage over them.

by Anonymousreply 49October 3, 2020 4:10 AM

Stop messing with the wound. Clean it with soap and water because skin disinfectants besides chlorhexidine can prevent healing process (re-epithelializarion) in burn wounds. Debride the necrotic blister skin fragments but don’t obsess over it if a small portion doesn’t fall off. Polysporin ointment is fine and so is manuka honey that’s medical grade. Put a thin layer of Polysporin ointment over the wound. Then place tegaderm dressing over it.

You only want non-adherent dressings like tegaderm over burn wounds. Don’t change dressing too frequently because again, it interferes with re-epithlialization. You can change it once or twice a day or when there is too much exudate. Once re-epithelialization is underway you can remove the tegaderm dressing and just have the wound open to air.

by Anonymousreply 50October 3, 2020 4:50 AM

OP, really all you need is xeroform or mepilex dressing, you can get those at CVS, Walgreens, and other pharmacies. If they’re out then just put tegaderm over the wound.

by Anonymousreply 51October 3, 2020 4:58 AM

Why do people always bitch at the OP of medical advice threads to go to the ED, urgent care or their PCP immediately, depending on the interpreted severity-level of the presumed or hypothetical diagnosis? It's well established we have several physicians, at least two doctorally-prepared family nurse practitioners (I am one of them; the PhD, FNP, not the DNP, FNP & PMHNP. And neither of us, I don't think, are the NP who used to post here, and who spent numerous years working on military bases overseas before returning to the U.S. to work at, as he called it, like it's still 1952, "a VD clinic." I'm pretty sure that wasn't me. I can't say for sure about the psych DNP), possibly at least one physician assistant (who, I recall, had to resign following brain surgery, if s/he still posts here) and countless RNs and other medical professionals who post on DL. Unless there is a high probability the person is having an MI (heart attack), CVA (stroke) or similar subarachnoid hemorrhage or subdural hematoma, experiencing an opioid or benzo overdose, in acute renal or hepatic failure, experiencing symptoms of potentially life-threatening inflammatory/infectious processes like peritonitis or epiglottitis, in anaphylaxis or an anaphylactoid reaction, or septicemia/in septic shock, etc., what's the harm in seeking advice on a message board? Even if you took the cynical view that all of us medical professionals are lying about our education and credentials, there's still a good chance a fellow poster will have gone through the same, or similar, and can offer sound advice based on experience and/or their medical provider's treatment and recommendations.

OP: Slather it with butter, of course! Just kidding, definitely don't do that. You have received pretty good advice thus far, so I don't really have much new to add. I see you're allergic to sulfonamides, Neosporin/bacitracin, penicillins & fluoroquinolones, so that limits your options, especially for OTC topical antibiotic ointment. For cutaneous burns, silver sulfadiazine 1% topical and silver-impregnated dressings are first-line treatment, as well as mafenide 11.2% topical (Sulfamylon, Rx-only), but you can't use them, except some types of silver dressings. If you can get a silver-impregnated dressing that isn't sulfadiazine, like 1.4% silver alginate pads (silver calcium alginate) or silver nanocrystalline, you should be okay to use that. Likewise topical silver nitrate gel. I'm not sure if CVS and the like carries them, but if you can find Smith+Nephew Acticoat 7, they're a good nanocrystalline silver option, but likely quite pricey. Alternatively, the previously recommended hydrogel burn pads are another good option. And, of course, keep the wound area clean with good ol' lukewarm tap water and a mild soap or an antiseptic like benzalkonium chloride 0.13% (avoid Hibiclens and Betadine). 3M Wound Cleanser is another good choice. As you mentioned already using, topical lidocaine cream is good for temporary pain relief; benzocaine 20% is another. If you apply the lidocaine and then cover it with an occlusive dressing such as 3M Tegaderm for about an hour, it will increase absorption & be more efficacious.

Assuming you're not allergic to them as you are to seemingly everything else under the sun (just kidding), and they're not otherwise contraindicated for you for other reasons, then oral NSAIDs like ibuprofen (Advil/Motrin) or naproxen (Aleve) can be used for pain relief. If you are allergic to NSAIDs or they're contraindicated, then, of course, acetaminophen/APAP (Tylenol) can be used, but doubtful it would help much. If you're lucky enough to have some leftover, or an active prescription for, Vicodin/Norco, Percocet/Endocet/Primlev, Dilaudid, Roxicodone, M.S.I.R., etc., then even better. An opioid/opiate would provide you real analgesia, but good luck trying to get a script for one these days. The moral of the story is: keep it clean & covered, even if only with a simple gauze wrap to protect the wound from trauma and dirt, and you should be okay. Hope you feel better soon!

by Anonymousreply 52October 3, 2020 7:33 AM

Keep your burns DRY.

by Anonymousreply 53October 3, 2020 12:52 PM

[quote]Burn advice?

Don't.

by Anonymousreply 54October 3, 2020 12:54 PM

The best advice is not to use a million things on your burn. Expose it to air as much as possible to expedite healing and only cover it when you’re exposing it to dirt in any shape or form.

Watch for signs of infection and leave it the area alone otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 55October 3, 2020 1:08 PM

Pick at it with tweezers, OP. Several times a day. That's how you keep it clean and safe.

Or think about it and do the opposite. What would keep it clean and safe, OP? Do that.

by Anonymousreply 56October 3, 2020 1:55 PM

Needy Munchhausen headcase.

by Anonymousreply 57October 3, 2020 2:29 PM
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