Why is Carrie Bradshaw such a beloved character who white women from Middle America try to emulate?
I am rewatching Sex and the City for the first time in years, and I am so confused on why she’s so loved. She is the most selfish, self-centered narcissist that I have ever seen. She’s all about “me me me” and God forbid any of her friends have a problem without her making it about herself. She is entitled, spoiled and deluded as well.
I am on season 4 and I am annoyed with how she acts because Aidan is still upset with her for cheating on him [continually] after seeing her for the first time since their break up. “You have to forgive me. You have to forgive me” she keeps repeating. No, no he doesn’t. You need to understand why he feels a type of way and respect his feelings after you shit all over him by cheating. It almost feels like she’s forcing him to be with her again, and he’s taking the bait. Ugh.
Or how about when she guilted Charlotte for not offering her the $30k she needed to buy her co-op, leading Charlotte to give her the money. Carrie promised to pay her back... I wonder if she managed to or kept buying shoes she can’t afford and eating out 3 meals a day...
The only time I did like her was with Burger, and that’s only because he was so annoying he made her look decent. The Russian was good to and I liked that story at the end of the series.
|by Anonymous||reply 505||10 hours ago|
i thought most took your view. I do anyway
|by Anonymous||reply 1||09/26/2020|
I love how after the show ended there were some websites who stated Carrie would never have been able to afford the life she lived off writing a small column for a 3rd rate paper.
Even after she began working for Vogue, she still wouldn’t have been able to lol.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||09/26/2020|
R1 most women love her. It’s most gays who see through her bullshit.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||09/26/2020|
[Quote] Why is Carrie Bradshaw such a beloved character who white women from Middle America try to emulate?
No, it's white gay men who try to emulate her.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||09/26/2020|
R4 hmmmm that’s true too. Her and Samantha.
I’ve only ever met very few who wanted to be Charlotte and never met someone who wanted to be Miranda, although have met some who admitted they were a Miranda.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||09/26/2020|
Wasn't the point that Carrie made bad decisions, she fucked up plenty of times, and her friends stuck by her because they were her friends.
They supported each other even when they were in the wrong because that's what friends do.
People really find it strange that a female lead character can be unsympathetic.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||09/26/2020|
I loved when they leaned into the character's unlikability and had her cheat with big whose wife broke her teeth.
The show was compelling that season. Then it leaned out and became something you have on in the background while cleaning again.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||09/26/2020|
Carrie really did shit all over Aiden. It was especially horrible how she begged him to take her back, only so she could dump him. CUNT.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||09/26/2020|
R7 and then, in true Carrie fashion, she makes it seem like the wife is the bad guy for not wanting to speak to her or forgive her.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||09/26/2020|
Most white women can't get away with being openly selfish and materialistic, or feel horribly guilty if they do. Carrie not only went ahead and lived the dream of being blatantly selfish, slutty, and spending money she didn't have on a fabulous lifestyle, she did it without even being good-looking! Double living-the-dream!
Which is why I hate that show. Those are not my dreams, and I dont like people who aspire to that shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||09/26/2020|
"Frau fest tv" doesn't need to make any sense at all, that's why.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||09/26/2020|
R2 People said that while the show was still on.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||09/26/2020|
[quote] They supported each other even when they were in the wrong because that's what friends do.
No, that's not what friends do.
I've had friends I've kept my entire life because they're good people. I have other friends who have turned out to be shits, and I got rid of them.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||09/26/2020|
I never watched the show but I saw a few scenes here and there. Carrie Bradshaw lived a life that many women envy yet she showed self-awareness and insecurities. I think that combination is what appealed to women.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||09/26/2020|
Carrie had some good moments, I suppose lol
|by Anonymous||reply 15||09/26/2020|
Do you think that dude in Sharper Image sniffed Samantha's returned vibrator?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||09/26/2020|
R9, what was great was that Carrie tried to spin it, but the audience saw that she was full of shit.
The scene where Carrie approaches the wife in a restaurant and begs for forgiveness and the wife refuses, it probably the most compelling scene in the series.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||09/26/2020|
Or when she declares Natasha an idiot because she misspelled "there". You aren't perched at the top of the intelligencia tree either, sweetfart.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||09/26/2020|
Samantha Jones was the only decent character. She was who she was, without the conniving, manipulative traits all the other girls had.
I think we were supposed to identify with Carrie Bradshaw, the underdog who tried too hard, tried (and failed, mostly) to be self-deprecating, and touched glamor and fame, but never really was glamorous and famous. Every time we started feeling strong empathy with Carrie, she fucked it up with unavoidable narcissism.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||09/26/2020|
You elevate TV show characters to an importance they don't deserve nor achieve.
Middle American women??...the whole lot ...all several million of them, want to emulate a single, fictitious person from a show that ended almost 20 years ago?
Do you also think young, urban black males want to emulate Will Smith's Fresh Prince?
|by Anonymous||reply 21||09/26/2020|
I always wondered what were the Political stances of each girl. They would probably have an episode about Politics in 2020.
I always assumed Carrie and Charlotte were Republicans and Miranda 100% a Democrat. Samantha could lean either way. Probably neither and votes Libertarian or something
|by Anonymous||reply 22||09/26/2020|
And Carrie’s takeaway after the Natasha takedown was that her actions led to putting another beautiful woman back on the singles market. Huh?
|by Anonymous||reply 23||09/26/2020|
Apparently we were to believe that Carrie was quite famous. She did book readings and had fans in France.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||09/26/2020|
R24 Yes, and what did she do to her fans in France? She blew them off.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||09/26/2020|
They were crazy to think so many people would pay for copies of Carrie's shitty columns which you could read for free in the daily rag.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||09/26/2020|
Who emulated her? I don’t know anyone that did, though I’m sure they exist. I thought her ensembles were outlandish and foolish and that her personality was annoying. And I couldn’t do the suspension of disbelief with all the money to buy clothes, eat out, and never get date raped or herpes. It was all dumb.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||09/26/2020|
The only good part was when her friend fell out of the window.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||09/26/2020|
I've said this before on here that as I a single gay man in my 30's in the late 90's and early 00's I worshiped Carrie and SATC. I could so relate to her and her struggles. As a married gay man in my 50's, I now realize what a selfish self absorbed snot Carrie is. She never evolved the entire run of the series and never learned how truly bad Big was for her. Adrian was the guy for her. But she didn't deserve him. She was her most authentic and comfortable with him and she threw him away.
The rest of the woman did evolve and it was fun to watch. Miranda especially. When she finally let Steve him and settled down in Brooklyn. I loved that for her. Btw the 2 movies are free on Prime and I watched the 2nd one the other night. I saw it at the theater. Its bad but not as bad as it was made out to be. The last half is pretty awful in Abu Dhabi but as one critic said "she acts like its a job to be a cunt" which I thought was a pretty good description.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||09/26/2020|
[quote] They were crazy to think so many people would pay for copies of Carrie's shitty columns which you could read for free in the daily rag.
There are real life examples of columnists getting book deals based on their newspaper columns. Even stories published first in newspapers which got published as books later. Like, Armistead Maupin's Tales of the City.
[quote] She is the most selfish, self-centered narcissist that I have ever seen. She’s all about “me me me” and God forbid any of her friends have a problem without her making it about herself. She is entitled, spoiled and deluded as well.
As a previous poster pointed out she became a role model for those who felt trapped in a world where they were supposed to put their own needs aside and help and support others even at your own expense. The pushovers who get pushed around by their husbands, friends, neighbors, colleagues, bosses, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||09/26/2020|
Sex and the City is an escapist fantasy for dim witted materialists.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||09/26/2020|
Carrie let herself be a doormat for Big the entire series. She got pushed around plenty.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||09/26/2020|
Most women are expected to be the caretakers of others, but Carrie cared for herself first. The nameplate necklace with her own name underscored her character’s self-regarding nature.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||09/26/2020|
R33 i was going to say that. Carrie was very much a puppet for Big to play with throughout most of the series. It wasn’t until she got serious with The Rich Russian that she finally put her foot down, for a few days, before running back to him.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||09/26/2020|
R23, I know!
That voice over was designed to destroy any shred of sympathy for Carrie in that situation.
One thing I will say, few shows would be willing to make their lead so unsympathetic....even if only for a brief time.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||09/26/2020|
[quote] Middle American women??...the whole lot ...all several million of them, want to emulate a single, fictitious person from a show that ended almost 20 years ago?
Did he say "who every single white woman with no exception from Middle America tries to emulate"? No, he didn't.
You're putting words in his mouth, which is a deeply annoying argumentative tactic.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||09/26/2020|
I don't think she was a doormat when it came to Big. She was a clingy stalker (remember she sneaked into the church to get a look at him and his mother?). What did she give up for Big? What were the big things she backed off in order to hold on to Big? Yes, he broke it up with her, but it was her who had the bruised ego and came back when he called, because her ego couldn't stand to be dumped.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||09/26/2020|
The second movie was "not as bad as its made out to be," R29? Remind me NEVER to let you pick the movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||09/26/2020|
The issue with the second movie was nothing happened. There was no point to it. It really just felt like a long episode with the girls on vacation. Nothing big happened. Nothing changed. No big arc like the first film.
The first film was too long and slow after the wedding that didn’t happen, but it felt like a movie. The second DIDNT.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||09/26/2020|
OP< you offer no evidence for your argument. We've already shit on Carrie & SJP on the threads about SATC men. This is just tedious.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||09/26/2020|
And if I recall, SJP and the other producers faced backlash for the second movie, as many felt the film was pretty “racist” as well as disrespectful.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||09/26/2020|
Threads like these make me miss IMDb message boards so much. I hate that they got rid of them.
I used to post on the SATC board all the time, and it was always active. And then the movie came and that board was busy for the first few weeks the film was out, with many discussions on the characters, the film, and the series. Loved it.
I remember a thread about Charlottes behavior in the first movie, while in Mexico. It was a good discussion and arguments about whether she is racist or not. I think most came to the conclusion Charlotte is that type of white woman from an Upper Middle Class family in Connecticut who tends to feed off stereotypes, but wasn’t necessarily “racist”.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||09/26/2020|
20 years later, bridge-and-tunnel types are still coming to Manhattan, insisting on walking 4 across whether there's room or not (there isn't, bitches--they filmed that shit at 6am), standing in line at the Magnolia to buy their dry cupcakes, declaring how fabulous they are.
So, yeah, it's still important to note that this bint was a self-absorbed asshole (especially after Parker became Executive Producer, and other characters were required to tell her/us how fabulous Carrie was every fucking episode).
|by Anonymous||reply 44||09/26/2020|
R44 you see the 3 or 4 across in Brooklyn all time now too. Never saw that much up until the past 10-15 years. And It’s getting worse with time, as more randoms flock to Brooklyn instead of Manhattan. And sometimes they don’t move, you have to either walk around them or move to the side and wait for them to pass. It’s the worst.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||09/26/2020|
She has lots of sex with hot guys and gets paid very well for doing next to nothing. Hell, I want to emulate her.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||09/26/2020|
Carrie was an interesting, flawed character until SJP became executive producer for Season 4. Then the whole show became about how wonderful Carrie was despite her continued shitty behavior.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||09/26/2020|
She's pushing 40 and still living a fantasy. I mean, do you remember that whole arc with the Russian and she was running around Paris in all those fancy getups? In real life, he would have fucked her for a couple of weeks and then taken off for Europe. And Big would not have come back to her, begging to get back together.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||09/26/2020|
I don’t know who loved Carrie, but the show was funny and enjoyable because of the ensemble. She had her funny and emotional moments too, but I don’t think anyone thought she was someone to emulate, necessarily—her fashions were atrocious and she was completely self-destructive in relationships (to be fair, many can relate to that). Samantha and Miranda were better people, and Charlotte’s primness added comedic effect, but these women all went through difficulties at some points which humanized them. Carrie was extremely self-absorbed, but occasionally had a hint of humanity. I still enjoy the show but recognize how shallow much of it is, too. They both can exist for me.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||09/26/2020|
Remember when Lens made girls and would shit all over this show to promote hers? Lmao
|by Anonymous||reply 50||09/26/2020|
Have you SEEN Middle America??? Horses everywhere.....
|by Anonymous||reply 52||09/26/2020|
Middle America has many beautiful parts. DL never acknowledges those though.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||09/26/2020|
OP’s clip was horrible.
If the man I loved asked me to never see an ex again, I would agree that, ASAP.
Now, this is a script that was written for Carrie to eventually end up with Big, so I understand why the character “Carrie”, denied his request. But in real life? You agree if you love your man and wanna keep him in your life.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||09/26/2020|
I started smoking because Carrie made it seem fabulous. I probably would have picked it up anyway, but before I saw the show in high school I thought smoking was disgusting.
On that note, someone went through and compiled every scene of Carrie smoking on YouTube. There are hours of it.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||09/26/2020|
R54 she didn’t end up with Big again for another few years
|by Anonymous||reply 56||09/26/2020|
Why do so many gay blokes (and I'll leave colour out of it because I'm a gentleman and NOT a bigot) enjoy shows specifically about straight women's lives to the point of overanalysing them sixteen years later on a gay message board? I seriously think a show about lesbians would intrigue me more.
I sometimes wonder about such pseudo intellectual threads on DL. I'll also posit the notion that if gay blokes can identify with these female characters, so then could BLACK or any other COLOUR person, regardless of gender.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||09/26/2020|
A whole video of reasons why Carrie was a horrible person
|by Anonymous||reply 58||09/26/2020|
[quote] She is the most selfish, self-centered narcissist that I have ever seen.
Sorry, OP, but what exactly do you not understand about why she’s a role model to the average white American woman?
|by Anonymous||reply 59||09/26/2020|
She had a dirty bathroom, greasy, old-fashioned kitchen and smelly closet.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||09/26/2020|
R58 some of their points (and examples) are exactly the same as OP. In other words, OP, others feel the same way you do about her.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||09/26/2020|
By the end of SATC, I wanted to kick Carrie on the face.
Oddly, the first time I watched Golden Girls and SATC, I didn't like Blanche or Samantha. I thought they were funny characters, but too vain.
When going back to the shows later, I see them as open minded, non-judgmental, supportive friends.
But Carrie is self absorbed and selfish, made worse by the fact that she perceives herself to be a heroine.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||09/26/2020|
I'm always surprised at the cultural currency this old show still has. Even more surprising is how many women seem to think this show was a documentary and not a materialistic fantasy. It has as much to do with the real NYC almost as much as Friends does.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||09/26/2020|
They should have ended the second movie with all four of them being locked up for their disgusting, entitled behavior.
Final shots: Charlotte down on her knees scrubbing the disgusting shitters, making that prissy face behind her veil
Samantha sweating buckets in the prison, stitching hijabs
Miranda being forced to cook meals for the local militia in a dirty little kitchen
Carrie being whipped for dropping precious cargo from her back as she climbs a hill, like the old workhorse she is.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||09/26/2020|
I loved Sex and the City. I feel like I've watched all the episodes a million times. I tried to watch it in the beginning of the lockdown and it just hasn't aged well for me. It's old enough to feel really dated, but too recent to feel nostalgia. It's a show of it's time. The first seasons showing a pre 9/11, pre SATC sanitized NYC. Upon re-watching in 2020, I find the characters are all so 1 dimensional. Carrie was a terrible, materialistic, shallow person who was also an awful friend. She's the friend that would ditch you in a heart beat for a relationship or if something better comes along. She really not only treated her gay best friend as a second class friend and piece of shit, but she was not a good friend to her core group as well. Miranda was really the only one who showed real growth and IRL would have probably ditched that crew once she was married with kids. I even found my beloved Samantha annoying. Did she really need to insist the Sharper Image sales person call the back massage a "vibrator". She said this multiple times and I was like, this bitch is harassing him. I still love Sam Jones, but even she feels like a relic of another time. These girls were like the early social media influencers for young millennial women.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||09/26/2020|
Carrie reminds me of Linda from the old BBC sitcom Gimme Gimme Gimme who lacks self awareness and believes she's so pretty and desirable and the center of the world.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||09/26/2020|
R65 the customer is always right mentality is still well and alive in 2020. See all those Karen videos. Samantha doing that isn’t that out there.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||09/26/2020|
For a show written by gay men, I surprised how little depth they gave to the gay characters. Especially in the movies.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||09/26/2020|
R68 um the show was about 4 single gals trying to find love and success in 90s NYC. Everyone else was secondary. Why would the gay friends have a bigger role? If anything let’s be happy they even had gay characters.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||09/26/2020|
I’m so over white ciswomen.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||09/26/2020|
Op I don’t think Carrie was sold as a lovable character. SJP herself has said that she could never dream of treating people the way that Carrie does when explaining how different she is from the character. Carrie did fall out with her friends and they did often call her out on her bs. Her friends had their own moments of selfishness in their own lives too by the way..bird of a feather...
A lot of people are drawn to the narcissistic nature of Carrie and the fabulous high maintenance NY life that it attracted to her. She in turn paid the price for her behavior through the men and relationships she attracted and the way these men treated her.
By the end of the series, the character has certainly grown from her youthful naïveté and self absorption. There’s an evolution and redemption.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||09/26/2020|
"I’m so over white ciswomen."
I'm so over chicks with dicks.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||09/26/2020|
Where were they meant to each live?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||09/26/2020|
[quote]One thing I will say, few shows would be willing to make their lead so unsympathetic....even if only for a brief time.
Carrie Bradshaw was a complicated woman. She could be vain, insecure, narcissistic, hypocritical and judgmental, and she could also be funny, supportive, sympathetic and loyal. That's why she fell out with all of her close friends at least once.
Being British I'm not that au fait with US tv shows before the late 90s but I can't think of many which had female leads who were that complicated who and played by actresses who wanted the audience to see them warts and all.
After Carrie Bradshaw there was Valerie Cherish, Jackie Peyton, Cathy Jamison, Carrie Mathison, those women in the Lela Durham show, even Fleabag, but I don't remember many before. Would Ellen or Roseanne be considered that flawed?
|by Anonymous||reply 74||09/26/2020|
Didn’t Carrie live on the UES? Samantha in the Packing Meat District? Charlotte on Park Avenue (after getting married to Trey).
Idk about Miranda
|by Anonymous||reply 75||09/26/2020|
I loved the first and even parts of the second season. But by season 3 when she chose Big over Aidan it was over for me. SJP could have periods where she was actually attractive but I’m not sure what happened. Straight and blond looks best on her and she insists on going dark now which just makes her look horsy.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||09/26/2020|
I actually think she looked best with blonde curls
|by Anonymous||reply 77||09/26/2020|
[quote] I'm so over chicks with dicks.
None of them are as bad as Carrie Bradshaw.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||09/26/2020|
After Miranda and Steve married, they moved to Brooklyn. Remember Carrie did not want to leave Manhattan to see her? When Miranda and Steve broke up, Miranda and Brady moved back to Manhattan, somewhere south. That's why they agreed to meet in the middle of the Brooklyn Bridge if they wanted to reconcile.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||09/26/2020|
I've never seen this show, Was it on HBO? I don't have HBO.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||09/26/2020|
I've never watched SATC, but in the columns on which the series is based, Candace Bushnell came across very badly.
The premise was that she was a clever writer who spent all her time with loathesome men and women [italic] none of whom she could actually stand and all of whom she continually mocked [/italic] because they were rich and she was hoping to land a rich husband.
You wanted to shake her and scream "GET BETTER FRIENDS!!!" Because clearly there were people in NYC who were nowhere near as shallow as the people she surrounded herself with and/or the men she dated.
There was a somewhat recent column in the Observer by a NYC ad guy that invoked a similar sense of pity and wonder as to why the author spent all his time with people he did not particularly like and then complained about them to us in his column,
(In both cases, the fact that the people in question, who are largely portrayed in an unflattering light, must be able to spot , if not themselves, then everyone else, must have made the authors relationships quite complicated.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||09/26/2020|
[quote] Why do so many gay blokes ... enjoy shows specifically about straight women's lives to the point of overanalysing them sixteen years later on a gay message board?
R57, I forget where I read it, but someone once described SATC as a show about four straight women who act like gay men.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||09/26/2020|
One of the shows biggest criticisms were that it was to obvious it was written by gay men. The characters didn’t speak or act like straight women, they acted and spoke like gay men, especially Samantha, who was supposedly mirrored after a gay man.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||09/26/2020|
[quote]Where were they meant to each live?
Carrie lived on E. 73rd St. in Yorkville. It was mentioned a few times on the show.
Samantha lived somewhere in the Meat Packing District (far West Village)
Charlotte was somewhere on the UES, and I don't think they ever specified which neighborhood Miranda lived in when she was still in Manhattan.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||09/26/2020|
The show was considered being about gay men, because women weren't supposed to be like that. You know, having careers and an active sex life. A woman like Samantha would have to feel shame for being promiscuous and go to Sex Addict Anonymous meetings. A career woman like Miranda would have to feel guilty for being so independent and not be like a total Frau in a cubicle with lots of pictures of her cat.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||09/26/2020|
The show also pushed a lot of high-end products. Manolo Blahnik, Versace, Prada, high-end purses. I always thought the show was a running advertisement for expensive brands.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||09/26/2020|
R84, I though Carrie lived on the UES, next door to Barneys. I think she said E. 73rd and Lexington.
Samantha originally had a rent controlled apt on the UES, but then one of her tricks mugged an old lady in the building. She moved to the Meat Packing District.
Charlotte lived on Park Ave.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||09/26/2020|
Where was Samantha's first apartment? The one she left after her neighbors shunned her for being a slag?
|by Anonymous||reply 88||09/26/2020|
It's not that Middle America that love her. I was in my 20s during the SITC heyday and lived in NYC and it was very much a thing on the east coast to be a fan. We watched, loved and lived it. Cosmos and girls brunch was very big.
Now I can barely watch an episode. It had it's time.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||09/26/2020|
It wasn't Sam's trick who robbed the old biddy, the robber snuck in behind the trick, as seen on the CCTV
|by Anonymous||reply 90||09/26/2020|
I wonder if SATC could hold up today or if it could have worked then without that cast. They were perfect for their roles and SJP was the perfect glue and fit Carrie like Aniston fit Rachel.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||09/26/2020|
Miranda is modeled after the droves of professionally ambitious (make partner or die trying), status conscious (Manhattan only, thank you) gay strivers who come to NY from Dogpatch with dreams of success and hopes of forgetting their less glamorous origins.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||09/26/2020|
THOSE types of White gay men r92 mentions are embarrassing, wanting to live such a fake life.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||09/26/2020|
Yes, but Miranda was also coming from Harvard Law and had a job at a top law firm.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||09/26/2020|
[quote]I wonder if SATC could hold up today or if it could have worked then without that cast.
Megan Fox as Carrie
Phillipa Soo as Miranda
Priyanka Chopra as Charlotte
Laverne Cox as Samantha
|by Anonymous||reply 95||09/26/2020|
Most of what made SATC work was its cast. And people forget, while it did well, it wasn’t the smash hit it became until around season 4. I know most DLers say the first 3 seasons are superior, but based on ratings and popularity, it took off after SJP became executive producer and changed the tone from more serious to more lighthearted, overall.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||09/26/2020|
To be fair, the OG SATC had a TWOC:
"You better take that dick out before I shit on it"
|by Anonymous||reply 97||09/26/2020|
The lighthearted tone was fine, but the Carrie-as-quirky-urban-goddess-in-Manolos thing got old fast. She was a much better character when she seemed a bit more like a real person.
I think her best hairstyle was the long auburn bob she wore in the pilot. The color warmed her up and the volume and shorter length made her look less horse-faced. She also wasn't quite as bone-thin as she became later on.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||09/26/2020|
[quote] One of the shows biggest criticisms were that it was to obvious it was written by gay men. The characters didn’t speak or act like straight women, they acted and spoke like gay men, especially Samantha, who was supposedly mirrored after a gay man.
I'm so fucking tired of this complete bullshit. Outside of Season 1, the show was staffed with and primarily written by women.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||09/26/2020|
[quote] By the end of the series, the character has certainly grown from her youthful naïveté and self absorption. There’s an evolution and redemption.
I didn't see that at all. The first movie has her celebrating over the gigantic high-tech closet she gets in marrying Big, as if that was the real point in marrying him.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||09/26/2020|
[quote] The show also pushed a lot of high-end products. Manolo Blahnik, Versace, Prada, high-end purses. I always thought the show was a running advertisement for expensive brands.
One of my best friends from college is sisters with one of the women writers of the show. In 2001, my friend and I were both staying in LA for a wedding, and my friend called me over to her sister's house when her sister was out. The sister's house was filled top to bottom with free swag the sister had received from clothiers, cosmetics companies, accessories manufacturers, jewelers, etc., who wanted her to write their products into upcoming episodes. It was insane.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||09/26/2020|
R99 whether true or not, it’s criticized for it
|by Anonymous||reply 102||09/26/2020|
That doesn't make it right, nor does it mean it should continue.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||09/26/2020|
One of my best friends from college wrote for the show. Yes, she got some swag, but not the insane amount that R101 describes.
I wonder if the story is true, because I wonder why this person would bother transporting so much stuff from New York to LA. If she was still writing for the show in 2001, this writer would have been spending a good part of the year in New York--and that is where the swag would have been delivered.
On a side note, most of the writing staff was female. Other than Michael Patrick King, anyone who wrote more than one or two episodes was indeed a woman. (In spite of what someone said earlier, claiming it was written by gay men.)
|by Anonymous||reply 104||09/26/2020|
The friend's sister commuted back and forth between Manhattan and LA (the Hollywood Hills). My friend and her sister are from a very wealthy family that lives on Park Avenue.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||09/26/2020|
Whoever said this appeals to women and gay men was absolutely correct because straight men were NOT watching this shit. I think it's appeal was in the glamorous clothes yet gritty NYC backdrop. Also the explicit sexual dialogue was not heard of from female characters before. Now it's dated because you hear that all the time on shows.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||09/26/2020|
Straight men watched it with their women
|by Anonymous||reply 107||09/26/2020|
The video that r58 linked to basically covers all the reasons everyone loathes Carrie now. Maybe the production company should take it out of circulation for 20 years and then it will become one of those nostalgia shows.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||09/26/2020|
Miranda lived on the Upper West Side. Carrie lived in the east 70s near Lexington.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||09/26/2020|
Wow. DL didn't populate the last 40 post for me until I posted mine. It looked like no one had replied to r75.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||09/26/2020|
OP, think about it. She's a clueless, self-absorbed, narcisstic, unnatractive woman who buys thousands of shoes and dates countless men despite not having THAT lucractive of a job. Now do you understand?
|by Anonymous||reply 111||09/26/2020|
Did gay men really love SATC that much? After about 2007 or so, I have never met a single gay man who admits to watching it. Probably a sign that it hasn't aged well.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||09/26/2020|
The materialism was so obnoxious. Teetering around Manhattan in shoes that cost more than many people’s annual salaries was kind of gross. Having maybe one or two pairs that you keep forever would be ok, but she was so greedy and it was supposed to be cute. I don’t think in these apocalyptic times that young people care about such stupid things. One bonus in 2020.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||09/26/2020|
R112 you must live under a rock. Yea, they do, and helped the movie make $418 million WW
|by Anonymous||reply 114||09/26/2020|
"Carrie promised to pay her back... I wonder if she managed to or kept buying shoes she can’t afford and eating out 3 meals a day..."
I was a bit bummed when she got the $25,000 advance from France for her book -- and they didn't show her paying Charlotte back anything. Instead, she bought Berger a stupid Prada shirt.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||09/26/2020|
Charlotte didn't want to lend her the money because she knew she'd never pay her back, and that's exactly what happened.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||09/26/2020|
R114, gays are like 5% of the population. The majority of the fans of SATC are straight women, not gay men.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||09/26/2020|
R117 no said said they were the majority stupid. What we said was they watched it too.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||09/26/2020|
R118, my original statement really was trying to say "were gays really THAT big of a demographic for SATC?". I'm sure some gays did watch it, but I think its appeal among gays has been really exaggerated. It is much more popular among American straight women who believe in things like "prince charming".
|by Anonymous||reply 119||09/26/2020|
Carrie did pay her back R116. After she got her book money. She made a thing of paying her back in one of the episodes.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||09/26/2020|
R113, I don't know about that. I know plenty of materialistic millennials. Not sure about Gen-Z though.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||09/26/2020|
Millennials still watch this show.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||09/26/2020|
It was at its best when Carrie was at her worst during that whole thing with Natasha. In any other show, that whole storyline would have made her wake up and realize that she was acting like a monster and totally self-absorbed and must change her ways. Either that or they'd continue with her going down a self-destructive path and getting darker and darker along the way until she finally ends up alone. Either of these would have been somewhat satisfying, but instead it decided to try to have her turn into some sort of quirky heroine that women should look up to.
I never got the feeling that we were supposed to like Carrie during the first few seasons. She was definitely relatable, but she wasn't always likable and she did some awful things. The show itself didn't make her out to be someone to aspire to, but the moment they started that crap, the show went downhill, the message got mixed, and a lot of people were left wondering why they started watching this show in the first place.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||09/26/2020|
R123, very true. Once Carrie became a producer, it was all downhill. It turned into some kind of frau's Disneyfied vision of being a twat in NYC.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||09/26/2020|
Oops, meant to say SJP, not Carrie
|by Anonymous||reply 125||09/26/2020|
“The show itself didn't make her out to be someone to aspire to, but the moment they started that crap, the show went downhill, the message got mixed, and a lot of people were left wondering why they started watching this show in the first place.”
Yeah, that’s why the ratings WENT UP and the show became more popular. Because everyone wondered why they watched...
|by Anonymous||reply 126||09/26/2020|
[quote] Yeah, that’s why the ratings WENT UP and the show became more popular. Because everyone wondered why they watched...
R123 was referring to people with taste.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||09/26/2020|
Season 1 averaged over 6 million viewers
Season 2 averaged over 7 million viewers
Season 3 averaged over 7 million viewers
Season 4 averaged over 9 million viewers
Season 5 averaged over 7 million viewers
Season 6 averaged over 10 million viewers
Season 1 and 6 have the worst reviews from overall from Critics, while seasons 3 and 4 have the best overall. Season 4 got many reviews calling the show “fresh” and saying it felt “newer and younger” as opposed to its previous seasons. That was the season SJP took over.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||09/26/2020|
Then a huge drop the next season.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||09/26/2020|
I think the one positive thing message from the SATC bitches was that it was OK to be single, to revel in it. Even though at heart they were all desperate for a man, except maybe Samantha.
I would be interesting to hear weirdo Gen Z weirdos perspective on SATC. The shoes, the materialism, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||09/26/2020|
There was no next season. It ended with season 6 and that was their highest rated season.
The movies came after, and the first one made $418 million Worldwide on a $60 million budget.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||09/26/2020|
Donald Trump handed Cynthia Nixon her Emmy when she won. I wonder how she feels now
|by Anonymous||reply 132||09/26/2020|
I always felt bad for Cattrall. She was nominated 5 out of 6 times for her performance but never won. She looked like she wanted it in that video where Nixon wins.
Nixon won on her 3rd nomination and David got her first nomination for the final season.
SJP was nominated all 6 seasons and finally won for its final season.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||09/26/2020|
Ugh op is fat edwin on another one of his accounts, stupid fat fuck has taken over this entire site.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||09/26/2020|
SJP finally wins the Emmy
She actually looked really nice here!
|by Anonymous||reply 135||09/26/2020|
[Quote] I think the one positive thing message from the SATC bitches was that it was OK to be single, to revel in it. Even though at heart they were all desperate for a man, except maybe Samantha.
Charlotte: It's because women really just want to be rescued.
Carrie: (voiceover) There it was. The sentence independent single women in their thirties are never supposed to think, let alone say out loud.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||09/26/2020|
[quote]I always thought the show was a running advertisement for expensive brands.
That's because it was, R86. After SJP became an executive producer, she was paid for product placement of designer brands. Any scene that showed Carrie or another character carrying an expensive purse or wearing pricey shoes meant that only SJP would get the bonus money, not the other actors.
She was never a team player. Unlike what happened with the casts of [italic]Seinfeld[/italic] and [italic]Friends[/italic], she didn't support her co-stars and use her executive power to negotiate higher salaries for ALL the leads. SATC was an ensemble show. Otherwise, SJP wouldn't have made such a stupid fuss about needing Kim Cattrall to be in a 3rd SATC movie. Carrie was the narrator, yes, but the series wasn't created for SJP. She was cast as Carrie after 2 actresses rejected the part.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||09/27/2020|
Season 5 was a mess due to Ferris Bueller impregnating his woman
|by Anonymous||reply 138||09/27/2020|
SJP won 4 Golden Globes for this!
|by Anonymous||reply 139||09/27/2020|
[quote] Carrie did pay her back [R116]. After she got her book money. She made a thing of paying her back in one of the episodes.
I have watched the series several times (it's good junk food tv for me when I'm depressed) and I can tell you that no mention of the money Charlotte loaned Carrie was ever made after the episode where she sells her ring to give Carrie the money.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||09/27/2020|
R140 is right, there is never another mention of the loan. I am the one who suggested that just one line of Carrie saying "The rest will pay back Charlotte" or this king her as she clears the debt would have improved Carrie a lot.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||09/27/2020|
Here's an article about the ring drama.
Yes, Carrie came across as unreasonable but it did explore the idea of varying degrees of wealth amongst friends and how people are very funny about money.
I was always the poorest amongst a certain group of friends. The only one who hadn't been to university, the only one who didn't own my own home, the only one who couldn't afford to go on European city breaks, so much so they would arrange them without inviting me and assume I'd look after their cats. When we went out for birthdays I'd always drive as I couldn't afford to split the bill at the end, especially when they'd order hideously expensive wine and get through 2 bottles each.
Then my father died, who I'd not seen since my parents awful divorce when I was a teenager. Not only had I inherited the family house I grew up in, and all his savings, my uncle had died a few years before that and my father had a big inheritance from the home he owned, and it turn out my grandmother had died recently as well. My grandmother had been a total cunt to my mother during the divorce, and I inherited a lot of what she left too.
So I was rich, richer than my rich friends, except I hadn't EARNED it like they had. Some were pleased that I'd had an upturn in fortunes, especially with some of the things I'd had to go through in my past. But one in particular was really bitter and jealous about it and the passive aggressive jibes just got too much. We're no longer friends.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||09/27/2020|
Sorry R143 hope you enjoyed your new wealth
|by Anonymous||reply 144||09/27/2020|
R3 - I think some smarter women like my sister saw through it. She's an accountant in LA and at the time of the show was single and even with a decent salary, she said no way could she afford the designer brands on that show without foolishly going into debt. It's true that less intelligent women were charging their credit cards up the wazoo, but a smarter person would never model their life and finances off of some show.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||09/27/2020|
[quote]Sorry [R143] hope you enjoyed your new wealth
Thank you! I don't live extravagantly, I used the money to buy a nice house which is mortgage free and reduce my hours in work part time. I can afford to buy nice things when I need them but from habit I still prefer value over making a statement. I mean I'm not super rich, I don't have a private pension like my high earning friends, so I'm conscious that a lot of the money will go towards that.
There's an interview with Oprah and Jo Rowling (not that I'm comparing myself to them!) where they discuss wealth, having experienced hardship in the past, and they talked about being able to buy something really expensive (a coffee machine?) but not wanting something that expensive.
Back to Sex And The City, I don't remember a time other than the ring when the girls discussed financial compromise.
Miranda felt guilty about spending money on Steve when he didn't have much, but there was never a thought as to whether she could afford Magda, her new flat, the house in Brooklyn. Certainly not one I remember.
Samantha wanted a cheap imitation Fendi handbags in California not because she couldn't afford the authentic versions (hi Lucy Lui!) but because she wanted a bargain. She didn't plan to sleep with the old man because she needed the jewellery.
Maybe the show would have been less groundbreaking if someone other than Carrie had to experience financial hardship.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||09/27/2020|
Our society is built on the premise that people want to look better than they really are to impress their peers. The show just gave women the excuse to embrace to their nagging insecurities and chase that ugly, overpriced and oversized Birkin handbag to become the alpha / Queen Bee of their group of "friends".
|by Anonymous||reply 147||09/27/2020|
All the ranks always present Carrie as the most hated
|by Anonymous||reply 148||09/27/2020|
Carrie was always considered a cautionary tale of what not to do when it comes to money, relationships, and sometimes even fashion.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||09/27/2020|
Samantha bought her meatpacking studio apartment after being ousted from her rent-controlled UES place.
Miranda had pavic attacks after buying her place as it meant responsibility and self-reliance.
I felt it unfair Charlotte got a huge apartment after 1 year of marriage where she made Trey feel inadequate (telling everyone he was impotent) and used (to get a baby). They had a prenup for a reason.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||09/27/2020|
I never understood Samantha going from a one bedroom to a studio. NO ONE buys a studio unless they want to control their fat, untalented daughter who moves to the city with hopes of becoming an actress, but after a NYT profile gone wrong is drummed out of BroadWAY.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||09/27/2020|
I always thought she had more rooms to the apartment.
R151 don't forget she went from renting to buying
|by Anonymous||reply 152||09/27/2020|
[quote]I always thought she had more rooms to the apartment
In the scene where Josh Hartnett's brother is fucking her and the trans women of color are deconstructing white colonial patriarchy on the street below, she runs jumps out of bed and walks over to the kitchen area to get the water throw at them. Her bed is next to the kitchen. Imagine cooking a tikka masala in that kitchen, your bed sheets would smell hideous.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||09/27/2020|
Any of the girls ever show their minge on the show?
The only cock I remember seeing was a freeze frame of Richard's when they stripped by the pool. I masturbated to it as a horny teen boy although I never thought Richard was attractive.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||09/27/2020|
I always though Charlotte was slumming being friends with Carrie and Samantha.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||09/27/2020|
Charlotte was a gold digging, snooty bimbo with a huge arse
|by Anonymous||reply 156||09/27/2020|
[quote] Any of the girls ever show their minge on the show?
I don’t think so. Kim Cattrall kept her bra on in her sex scenes, which seems completely inconsistent with her character’s open minded attitude toward sex.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||09/27/2020|
Kim had her boobs out plenty, and showed her butt. Did you mean SJP?
|by Anonymous||reply 158||09/27/2020|
SJP should never have one. She played the most irritating, unlikeable and shallow main character on the show. Kim should have one over her.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||09/27/2020|
Samantha was the only decent one out of that group and the only one who would actually have any friends at all in real life.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||09/27/2020|
[quote] SJP should never have one.
Dear god, I'm tired. This should have said "SJP should never have won [an emmy]."
|by Anonymous||reply 161||09/27/2020|
It's been some years since I read it so I can't remember details, but the book Sex and the City by Candace Bushnell upon which the TV series is based is incredibly dark and cynical, I'm surprised they made a comedy out of it. Given that the roots of the Carrie character lie in the book, it's not surprising she's not a pleasant person.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||09/27/2020|
And to top it off, Carrie must have had mother/father issues. Mainly, that she didn't have either one. If that was ever explained, I missed that episode. And they missed her big dream wedding with Big.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||09/27/2020|
R162, just rememeber--In America, SATC is considered a drama (thanks to stupid fraus). In Britain, it's a comedy. Probably because they are thinking "is this Carrie Bradshaw twat real!?".
|by Anonymous||reply 164||09/27/2020|
I'm surprised they never mentioned that Carrie was months behind with her rent. She's the sort of irresponsible, feckless idiot who would prioritise labels and fun nights out ahead of her bills.
And why did it take her years to get a sexind job? That shitty column couldn't have taken longer than one hour per week to shite. I mean write..
|by Anonymous||reply 165||09/27/2020|
r162 I read the columns as they were published in the NY Observer and yes they were quite dark. When SATC the series came out, I was surprised it was a comedy. I thought "how are they going to make a comedy out of those depressing columns?"
|by Anonymous||reply 167||09/27/2020|
It's odd to me that Carrie was actually attractive in the first few seasons of the show, before she grew her hair long. SJP has very nice hair, but she looked better when it was shorter--it never suited her somehow (and now that she's oiver 50 the long hair looks ridiculous).
The business where after SJP became a producer and arranged to have the writers always have someone tell her what a goddess she is was even after that, and when she got to look way too skinny and ropey (which wrought havoc on her face, making her nose look even more prominent). It's analogous to the infamous "moment of shit" the writers of [italic]Cybill[/italic] used to refer to, where they had to write in a character telling Cybill how wonderful she was--or to the "Blossom, you're so beautiful!" moments Mayin Bialik's parents demanded on [italic]Blossom.[/italic]
|by Anonymous||reply 168||09/27/2020|
R164 false. The first 3 seasons are considered Dramedy, while 4-6 are considered full on comedy. They didn’t win Drama Emmys, they won Comedy Emmys
|by Anonymous||reply 169||09/27/2020|
Samantha didn’t rent her studio, she flat out bought it in cash. It probably cost her a shit ton for that small place. It was realistic. Unrealistic would have her buying some large apartment in Manhattan in the early 00s, when shit became super expensive.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||09/27/2020|
Samantha and Miranda would have friends. Miranda was cynical and sarcastic but she was a good person and friend. Very loyal.
Charlotte would have friends but not with these ladies. It would be other housewives who live on Park Avenue or UES where many rich are.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||09/27/2020|
You guys are fucking idiots. Samantha didn’t buy a studio. She bought a loft in the meat pack district..
|by Anonymous||reply 172||09/27/2020|
I'm sorry who said this show wasn't popular among gay men? Right now we have gay men arguing over what kind of apartment Samantha bought
|by Anonymous||reply 173||09/27/2020|
A quick note on the ‘paying Charlotte back’ thing is that in series tv writing the writers can’t rely on viewers having watched all the past episodes therefore you can’t necessarily tie up loose ends many many episodes down the line. Storylines may last a few episodes but always in sequence, unless they’re with recurrent characters. It would seem weird for Carrie to all of a sudden pay Charlotte back for something that happened many many episodes behind. There is a containment of certain themes within an episode in every episode that will not recur.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||09/27/2020|
I'm in the minority, but I liked season 5. I think it was the one season where Carrie actually got the payback for all her antics over the past 4 seasons. Going to the movies alone, bumping into a stranger in the rain who did not find her cute or endearing, her friends not really having the time to hang out with her b/c the all have lives (the Atlantic City episode), Berger as her guy, almost losing her apartment.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||09/27/2020|
Samantha did not live in a loft. In the tyranny episode she is clearly not on the top floor.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||09/27/2020|
R175 ummmm why is going to the movies alone bad? I prefer it
|by Anonymous||reply 177||09/27/2020|
She almost lost her apartment at the end of season 4. Season 5 she got her crappy book deal
|by Anonymous||reply 178||09/27/2020|
It was her voice and way of speaking, and a "cute" NY apartment.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||09/27/2020|
Because she’s a homely woman than other women can aspire to: “if men find HER wonderful, I have a chance, too!” I think that also explains the popularity of Jennifer Anniston. A beautiful woman isn’t relatable.
The Carrie character is childish in her shallow self-centered materialism but rather than holding her back, it makes her adorable to men. It’s a woman’s dream.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||09/27/2020|
By the time they got to season 6, the amount of designer label clothing those women wore would not be affordable to any of them including Miranda and Samantha. They weren't just carrying a few nice bags or wearing your basic nice, designer outfit, they were wearing full on couture doing their day to day in NYC. In the movies, I think in the sequel, just to do out on a camel picnic, Miranda shows up with bags of Dior or some such designer to hand out to everyone as basically hiking clothes. These wardrobes are on the level of royalty or billionaire where they would easily cost half a million or more per year.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||09/27/2020|
Carries travel outfit to Paris?!?! I have flown business/first class many times to Europe and everyone is in athlesiure wear or changes into them on the flight.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||09/27/2020|
[quote]Carries travel outfit to Paris?!?! I have flown business/first class many times to Europe and everyone is in athlesiure wear or changes into them on the flight.
When I flew from Guayaquil to Schiphol after my cruise around the Galapagos I was waiting in the KLM first class check in lane when the woman stood up waved at me and said "ECONOMY NEXT LINE". I was in a hoodie, shorts and hadn't shaved for 10 days.
She didn't even smile when she did eventually check me in, but did move me to an aisle seat.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||09/27/2020|
Maybe she changed in the shitter after her flight?
|by Anonymous||reply 184||09/27/2020|
R180 most straight men would disagree with you about Aniston when she was young. Most men found her hot.
SJP they would agree with you.
But the character wasn’t considered homely. We were supposed to believe she was a knockout. A blonde bombshell. Remember when they went to Atlantic City and the guy disses Charlotte because he wants the hot blonde aka Carrie? Lmao
|by Anonymous||reply 185||09/27/2020|
Or that dress where the Russian shows up late on her first night in Paris and she's perfectly asleep in this full on ball gown/Oscar awards dress. I don't know where you would where that for just a night on the town, even to the most fabulous restaurant in the city. That dress would require a team to follow you around, get you in and out of the car, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||09/27/2020|
R186 as well as depends for all your toiletry needs
|by Anonymous||reply 187||09/27/2020|
"What are people in Paris gonna think of me"
"Oh honey don't worry, your fabulousness will translate..!"
|by Anonymous||reply 188||09/27/2020|
I'm a bit taken aback by the complaints that this show wasn't fully 100% realistic in what the characters could afford.
Surely if any TV show presented aspirational living, it was this one.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||09/27/2020|
[quote] I always thought she had more rooms to the apartment.
Nope. It was definitely a studio. If you remember the episode with Chip Kilkenny, the police barge into Sam's place when she's fucking him and they pretty much go from the door to the bed in three steps.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||09/27/2020|
I thought they were fucking at Chip's place?
I mean I thought there might be another room behind the wall where her headboard was, maybe a walk in closet or office
|by Anonymous||reply 191||09/27/2020|
Okay, then remember when Samantha was sick and Carrie came over to make her Fanta and cough syrup shakes, the entire apartment was one room- front door, kitchen, bedroom.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||09/27/2020|
I do know that, I just mean maybe there was another room we were never shown?
|by Anonymous||reply 193||09/27/2020|
R70 I am so over white trans women.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||09/27/2020|
Do you know how much a studio in that area cost???
|by Anonymous||reply 195||09/27/2020|
No one is arguing that the studio wasn't expensive. But studios are for NYU students whose parents subsidize them, not successful career women in their 50s who have good nest eggs.
My old apartment in Chelsea on a prime corner just sold for $900K this summer, and it was a large one bedroom in a doorman building. Samantha likely got a relative deal 20 years ago, but could have done just as well in the same area with a larger place that would befit a person of her age and success.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||09/27/2020|
R176 I think you’re confusing lofts and penthouses. Was that on purpose?
|by Anonymous||reply 197||09/27/2020|
Someone in the UK commented upthread that Brits always saw SATC as a comedy and Americans as a drama....um, no, I’m American and when this came out, it was marketed as a comedy. The drama is sort of an aside to the comic-laden script. And yes, her whole life was silly and unrealistic and we recognized that—no one can write 3 unoriginal lines in a sex column and have a nice apt on the upper east side and afford Manolo Blahniks. She wouldn’t have just had credit card debt; she would’ve been living with parents in Brooklyn or Queens to spend all her money on clothes.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||09/27/2020|
Do none of you own nice shoes? Like, more than one pair?
|by Anonymous||reply 199||09/27/2020|
Carrie owned over 100 absurdly overpriced shoes.
R197 I'm not American but its says a loft is usually in the attic space below the roof?
|by Anonymous||reply 200||09/27/2020|
Men love to judge women for spending money on shoes and bags - and who buys all these sports cars?
|by Anonymous||reply 201||09/27/2020|
R200 also there’s a different between a loft (space (under roof)) and a loft (apartment (adaptable open space)).
|by Anonymous||reply 202||09/27/2020|
Sorry I see now that Samantha had a loft apartment.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||09/27/2020|
Remember when she burst into hysterics when Big said he was going for a small heart op, making it all about her but when Sam says she has cancer she under reacts? Bastard
|by Anonymous||reply 204||09/27/2020|
no kidding, that show is one big pile of shit. specilly SJP and her ratched face/voice....unreal
and bitch chain smokes !
|by Anonymous||reply 205||09/27/2020|
[quote]Someone in the UK commented upthread that Brits always saw SATC as a comedy and Americans as a drama....um, no, I’m American and when this came out, it was marketed as a comedy. The drama is sort of an aside to the comic-laden script.
Orange Is The New Black and Nurse Jackie was also pitched in the comedy. category, highlighting the frequently hilarious moments in the lives of violated, abused incarcerated women and a desperate lying drug addict.
I still can't get over what that nasty, nasty addict Jackie did to poor Antoinette. Nasty, nasty woman.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||09/27/2020|
[quote]What did she do [R206]?
Jackie met Antoinette at an AA meeting and Antoinette became Jackie's sponsor. Antoinette was an alcoholic who had killed her kid drink driving.
So they became close and Antoinette knew Jackie was lying about everything but kept trying to support her. Jackie knows that there's a risk Antoinette will let people know she's still using, so has to get her out of the way.
So Jackie tells Antoinette she knows that A knows she's still using and has booked herself into a rehab facility and asks Antoinette to go in with her. Antoinette agrees and they get drunk. They go to the rehab facility the next morning, both drunk, Antoinette signs her forms, and then Jackie straightens up - she had no intention of entering rehab, it was all to get Antoinette out of the way, so she got her to break her sobriety and sign herself in. Antoinette realises what she's done, she tries to attack Jackie, but the orderlies restrain her.
Nurse Jackie and Belinda Carlisle taught me to never, ever trust an addict.
|by Anonymous||reply 208||09/28/2020|
I never saw Carry as a beloved character. Maybe a bit at the beginning, before SJP put her hands as a producer and played her as an extension of her ego.
|by Anonymous||reply 209||09/28/2020|
R201 and gadgets and boats and takeout food and on and on and on. It is a fact that men, both straight and gay, single or married, have higher rates of personal debt than women but it's always women's spending habits that get scrutinized.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||09/28/2020|
Men have to support themselves, they tend to carry more debt because of that.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||09/28/2020|
R210 I think a supporting component of this is that pursuits that are traditionally taken up by men are seen as serious, worthwhile hobbies, culturally productive, this allows for larger budget allocations within a family. Whereas women’s pursuits are often characterized as silly or fluff. A bunch of men running around giving each other brain injuries is supposed to be so important (any contact sport) and worthwhile whereas intricate handwork (embroidery for instance) is derided as a waste of time.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||09/28/2020|
A flash of her tits to the horny teen clerk could have got Carrie a free pair of Jimmy Choos!
Remember when Charlotte used to rub the foot fetish store owner in his crotch with her smelly feet to get free pairs of designer shoes? Wonder if she told Trey that?!
|by Anonymous||reply 213||09/28/2020|
R211 getting into large personal debt doesn’t align with the concept of supporting yourself.
|by Anonymous||reply 214||09/28/2020|
Uh, there a lot of men who are obsessed with shoes. Like, limited edition sneakers or kicks.
Every TV show about teens has at least one episode where the boys buy themselves some dope, kick ass sneakers from some famous NBA star's line of sneakers.
|by Anonymous||reply 215||09/28/2020|
Lesbians have to support themselves yet have less debt than gay men, hmm wonder why that is? Also single women have to support themselves and have less debt than single men. Again, wonder why that is?
|by Anonymous||reply 216||09/28/2020|
R215 interesting you mention that. I actually think it’s driven by the “collectors item” male compulsive behaviour that has existed for eons rather than an actual interest in shoes themselves. It’s a status symbol. The aesthetic value of the object isn’t what is important, it’s the idea of possession and how that gives you currency in relation to other men. And since you also mention it, these shoes that the straight man-boys want are typically a sports collab.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||09/28/2020|
Men tend to have advanced degrees and higher loans.
|by Anonymous||reply 218||09/28/2020|
Advanced degrees= higher income= lower debt. Except with men of course. It seems all manner of personal responsibility flies out the window with men
|by Anonymous||reply 219||09/28/2020|
R218 do you know what ‘rates’ means? It’s a comparison of the use of available debt.
|by Anonymous||reply 220||09/28/2020|
Well R220, R218 didn't say he had an advanced degree himself, what do you expect
|by Anonymous||reply 221||09/28/2020|
[quote] Men have to support themselves, they tend to carry more debt because of that.
Do you know how many grown men live with their parents until they get married, or sometimes forever?
|by Anonymous||reply 222||09/28/2020|
r217. The point is that men and women are not so different when it comes to using their shoe collection as an attempt to impress their peers. The shoe's practical purpose (sport vs. evening wear) may be gender specific, but it's to impress.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||09/28/2020|
Men have more pressure on them to succeed. They can't just marry someone and run up debt on the other person's credit cards like women can.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||09/28/2020|
[quote]Do you know how many grown men live with their parents until they get married, or sometimes forever?
Do you know how many grown women stop working the minute they get married? Or if they continue to work they blow through their husband's money instead of using their own? They use their pussies as a way to get paid.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||09/28/2020|
Carrie and Miranda are cunts. Samantha and Charlotte were the two nicest ones. They remained true to themselves. Carrie and Miranda?Self centered cunts who were also control freaks.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||09/28/2020|
R223 my point was that it’s very different. Women buy shoes that make them look good, there’s a direct relationship between the object’s appearance and materials to the function. These hypebeast guys buy shoes that have the required model number. It’s to do with an acquisition. Which separates the relationship between the objects function and what it is doing for the consumer.
|by Anonymous||reply 227||09/28/2020|
Except that single women can't either, or lesbians R224. But you keep pretending men drive up debt for women even though gay men do the same as straight. It's kind of cute the way you won't admit how wrong you are
|by Anonymous||reply 228||09/28/2020|
R225 do you know how many men are hired ahead of more qualified women because of the ‘boys club’ mentality setup within most employment structures? They use their penises as a way to get paid.
|by Anonymous||reply 229||09/28/2020|
I love how R225 claims that there are women who stop working when they get married.
Where are these women? In today's world no one can afford to live on a single salary. Women stopping work when they get married? That is as fake as the careers of the characters on SATC.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||09/28/2020|
R225 oh give me a fucking break, as if twinks don't marry old men all the time for money.
|by Anonymous||reply 231||09/28/2020|
Carrie Sadshaw got her gig as a Sex Columnist by blowing the Old Boy's Club at The New York Star!
|by Anonymous||reply 232||09/28/2020|
Remember when Carrie pissed on Charlotte's engagement by slapping her post-it from Burger over her engagement ring. Total skank!
|by Anonymous||reply 233||09/28/2020|
r226, partially disagree. Miranda may be a cunt, but she'd also be a good friend. She doesn't use people, and she'll call your shit out (and expect the same from you).
Carrie, obviously, is a terrible friend.
Samantha would probably be a good friend (perhaps more of the social flitter who comes in and out of your world). Charlotte, though "nice," would never be a good friend unless you also conformed to her rose-colored expectations of life (especially in the early seasons). She'd judge the fuck out of you but, when pressed, would cave and give another of her shitty friends tens of thousands of dollars without a loan agreement. She's both weak and a judgmental shrew.
|by Anonymous||reply 234||09/28/2020|
[quote] [R223] my point was that it’s very different. Women buy shoes that make them look good, there’s a direct relationship between the object’s appearance and materials to the function. These hypebeast guys buy shoes that have the required model number. It’s to do with an acquisition. Which separates the relationship between the objects function and what it is doing for the consumer.
Bullshit. Women buy these expensive shoes to get NOTICED. Guys buy their limited edition shoes to get NOTICED while showing them off. It's all about impressing their peers. You think women and men HIDE these shoes and just wear them in the comfort of their homes?
|by Anonymous||reply 235||09/28/2020|
I agree, Charlotte would only be friends if you were cool or socially important. She's a snob and dumb.
|by Anonymous||reply 236||09/28/2020|
Men can be just as designer label obsessed as women.
[quote] [bold] Being associated with the brand [/bold]
[quote] Another reason men enjoy wearing designer clothes is being recognised or associated with a particular brand due to that brands image. For example, you may feel like you really love Armani due to their heritage and particular style therefore contributing to your identity. When people start associating you with a particular brand it can become pretty flattering and it helps build your image and confidence!
|by Anonymous||reply 237||09/28/2020|
Men CAN be label obsessed but by and large they are not. If so it's mostly gay men. What men are obsessed with is the latest overpriced technology, overpriced flashy car, etc etc
|by Anonymous||reply 238||09/28/2020|
R235 disagree. Many men than collect these sneakers don’t even take them out of the box - or they’re also used as display. It’s a different compulsion.
|by Anonymous||reply 239||09/28/2020|
[quote] Men CAN be label obsessed but by and large they are not. If so it's mostly gay men. What men are obsessed with is the latest overpriced technology, overpriced flashy car, etc etc
And women CAN be label obsessed, your point? What I am objecting is that men's obsession with designer fashion is so incredly vastly different from women's obsession with designer fashion. And it's really not. You buy these things to set yourself apart from the rest of your peers and declare yourself superior by owning this particular piece of fashion.
|by Anonymous||reply 240||09/28/2020|
I'm not the one you were arguing with R240
|by Anonymous||reply 241||09/28/2020|
R65, agreed that it is of its time. I found it entertaining when I watched it during the original series. When I tried to rewatch it a few years ago, I stopped after a few episodes. I could not wonder what I'd seen in it in the first place.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||09/28/2020|
The show is definitely dated. In my opinion, the show really became popular because it really hyped the high-fashion element which, back in the day, was well-accepted by most Americans. And it was kind of cool because that kind of fashion was accessible and somewhat affordable to most middle-class people. Fast forward 20 years and that acceptance of fashion has majorly dwindled, so that aspect of the show just falls flat these days. And it comes across as majorly twee and girly to the point of being hackneyed. Owning expensive shoes or bags these days doesn't mean the same thing today as it once did, and to rewatch these women (who really, are way way way too old to be that obsessed with such things) gushing over such materialistic pursuits, especially to the extent they did, comes across as incredibly silly. I was watching a few episodes a few months back with my guy and it made me embarrassed for myself how vapid and into that crap I was. I was watching Will and Grace reruns and that show suffers from the same problem. W&G didn't shove it in its viewers' faces nearly as aggressively, but watching an old drunk rich gays and women tottering around in high-end garments really reeks of impropriety.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||09/28/2020|
There's a difference between designer and high end garments though. High end garments look better and last longer. Designer clothes CAN be high end but they can also be cheap and look like shit
|by Anonymous||reply 244||09/28/2020|
R244 you sound stuffy. Like you’d say “one must never wear black and navy together” and glance around hoping to see someone listening attentively. “Only the finest of fabrics” that kinda dumb shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||09/28/2020|
R245 was such a witty and interesting contribution to the thread
|by Anonymous||reply 246||09/28/2020|
I really liked the show. I know it was all fiction and silly, but I still hung with it, even the episodes with the Russian. The one time I really hated Carrie is when Aiden invited her to his cabin. All he wanted was to show off what he did and she spent the whole episode whining about nothing to do.
|by Anonymous||reply 247||09/28/2020|
For me as a gay man the show and the movies are a guilty pleasure. I admit I freaked out watching the Liza Minnelli cameo in the second movie. For all the shade I throw at Carrie I devoured the show's DVDs. I even had the special boxset that came with the handbag and paid a ton of money for a special screener DVD that came in a plastic, pink laptop case.
The provides me with great entertainment even when I want to strangle Carrie for being so obnoxious.
|by Anonymous||reply 248||09/28/2020|
Sorry, the show provides me with great entertainment ...
|by Anonymous||reply 249||09/28/2020|
R233, this Carrie woman sounds awful! Carrie-Bradshaw?-fffff-hmmm. Riiiiiiiight?
|by Anonymous||reply 250||09/28/2020|
[Quote] The one time I really hated Carrie is when Aiden invited her to his cabin. All he wanted was to show off what he did and she spent the whole episode whining about nothing to do.
Carrie then had the audacity to invite Big [italic] and [/italic] expect Aiden to be cool with it.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||09/28/2020|
R22, they do sort of touch on it in the episode where Carrie is dating the politician (who wants her to pee on him), but only in a shallow way. Charlotte was definitely a Republican. And she keep bringing up a college crush on Dan Quayle until Carrie quips: "We pretty much tried to ignore that the first time". So I assume that Carrie wasn't a Republican. At a political fundraiser, Samantha comments to one woman that she's not about the Republican or the Democratic party, she's "just into parties". The woman walks away, rolling her eyes.
While it's just a line, it's a shame they tried to dumb down Samantha like that. In earlier seasons she seemed smarter and able to have conversations about things other than just sex (like her finances with that guy at the party where she ends up getting drunk and sleeping with Charlotte's doorman).
|by Anonymous||reply 252||09/28/2020|
[quote] Samantha comments to one woman that she's not about the Republican or the Democratic party, she's "just into parties".
Samantha was also an event manager. I don't think she could afford to favor one political side in a public way. It would've screwed with her business and career.
|by Anonymous||reply 253||09/28/2020|
That's a good point, R253!
|by Anonymous||reply 254||09/28/2020|
Many intelligent people aren’t into Politics. Like I said, I always got the impression she would vote some random thing, like Libertarian, not Dem or REPUG. I know many who are that type.
|by Anonymous||reply 255||09/28/2020|
Now that I am getting older, Miranda has replaced Samantha as my favorite. Miranda is a practical, reliable friend who also has a dry sense of humor that I like.
Is Carrie Jewish? This was something I thought maybe they hinted at that (her being at a bris,Matzah ball soup at the diner with the old lady who eats prozac ice cream). I always wondered if she came from some kind of money.
|by Anonymous||reply 256||09/28/2020|
Oh yeah, for sure R255, I think it's just to me in that scene Samantha comes across as the joke in that situation, whereas earlier she was shown to be very capable of working a room, something she'd definitely need to be able to dofor her job. I mean, I laughed at the line, but they sure did start to cartoon-ify the characters over the show's run,
|by Anonymous||reply 258||09/28/2020|
R244 was that a response to another comment? It was after mine so don't know if it was referencing anything I said. I don't want to get into an argument over whether some brand is more quality than another (this isn't the thread for that). I was just simply suggesting that the show's high-end fashion focus, while appealing back then, really dates the show now due to American consumers' spending patterns changing. I'm all for buying nice things when the budget allows it. But the overt materialism of the characters really locks it into the late 90's/early 00's. When I watched the show and kept hearing the constant designer name dropping, I kept thinking of the scene in Ruthless People where Bette is trying on her kidnapper's wife's clothing and shouting out designer names in an attempt to guess who made the clothes.
|by Anonymous||reply 260||09/28/2020|
The best of example of the type of person Carrie is, I feel, is in the clip below. On and on and on at Aiden about forgiving her and when he finally expresses his feelings that are less than complimentary of her, she turns and runs away, making the moment, once again, all about her. Reminds me a bit of that scene where she's on and on at Burger about something he doesn't like about her and when he finally says: "nice hat!" she immediately turns on her heel and gets pissy about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 261||09/28/2020|
The best of example of the type of person Carrie is, I feel, is in the clip below. On and on and on at Aiden about forgiving her and when he finally expresses his feelings that are less than complimentary of her, she turns and runs away, making the moment, once again, all about her. Reminds me a bit of that scene where she's on and on at Burger about something he doesn't like about her and when he finally says: "nice hat!" she immediately turns on her heel and gets pissy about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 262||09/28/2020|
Apologies for the double post, I swear I only hit the button once!
|by Anonymous||reply 263||09/28/2020|
I wonder if those who want to emulate Carrie Bradshaw enter hotels the way she does, fingering the curtains and jauntily popping grapes in their mouths?
|by Anonymous||reply 264||09/29/2020|
R256, being Jewish does not mean one comes from money.
You are going to say that it is not anti-Semitic to think that. But many will disagree.
|by Anonymous||reply 265||09/29/2020|
Sorry, Carrie fans, I have the show memorized after all these years of it playing in the background and I assure you there was NEVER a moment that showed Carrie paying back Charlotte or even mentioning it again. Which would've been easy to do in the scene when she shows Berger the check ("Most of this goes to Charlotte but...")
Carrie was voted Most Popular Columnist in some NYC magazine so maybe she had enough fans to get a raise along the way from the paper. But her finances sounded pretty bleak when she was at the bank trying to get a loan.
|by Anonymous||reply 266||09/29/2020|
He had no savings and was pretty much living paycheck to paycheck because of her lifestyle
|by Anonymous||reply 267||09/29/2020|
Aiden was too good for her
|by Anonymous||reply 268||09/29/2020|
R266 which episode was she voted that? I don't remember..
R252 I chose to believe Sam said that as she didn't want to encourage any chit chat with non-sexy men at that party and enjoyed the chance to be flippant. Alongside Miranda I consider her the most capable and intelligent.
Charlotte was referred to as a straight A student but that's more about her being a goody-goody that naturally smart. I never heard Carrie or her discuss anything of high intellect.
|by Anonymous||reply 269||09/29/2020|
She tells the unimpressed (but nice, at least) lady bank exec that she even beat Pete Hamill in the vote when she is trying to get a loan. It doesn't work.
|by Anonymous||reply 270||09/29/2020|
Oh I remember now. Why would she ever think that would improve her chances of a loan?
|by Anonymous||reply 271||09/29/2020|
God she's insufferable in that clip R264. Insufferable!
|by Anonymous||reply 272||09/29/2020|
[quote] Sorry, Carrie fans, I have the show memorized after all these years of it playing in the background and I assure you there was NEVER a moment that showed Carrie paying back Charlotte or even mentioning it again. Which would've been easy to do in the scene when she shows Berger the check ("Most of this goes to Charlotte but...")
We know. It was already discussed in detail upthread.
|by Anonymous||reply 273||09/29/2020|
Gosh in that Paris trip video with the sound off SJP never looked worse and her acting was ridiculous. And they really gave in to the fantasy, having Carrie living a super rich lifestyle far away from the gritty realism that made the show kinda relatable and interesting in the first few seasons. Gross.
|by Anonymous||reply 274||09/29/2020|
Her giggling at being able to chirp out "merci beaucoup," and dancing on the terrace like an idiot only made her look like a total rube. Oh, sorry. A rube "New Yorker."
|by Anonymous||reply 275||09/29/2020|
R269 you don’t sound too intelligent yourself
|by Anonymous||reply 276||09/29/2020|
I just watched Hot Child in the City from Season 3. The most bizarre storyline now that I look at it again. Miranda is having terrible jaw pain and she finds out she's a tongue thruster in her sleep.
She gets braces (which seems like an odd treatment as opposed to wearing some kind of dental device while she sleeps) and, instead of getting invisaligns, which were around then, she gets regular ugly metal braces. After her insecurities get the best of her, she has the braces removed and decides to do nothing.
Who would spend thousands of dollars on braces and have them removed on a whim? Is she just gonna live with the jaw pain and the headaches? I clench my jaw in my sleep and I wear a night guard. I've been wearing one for 15 years. I can tell you that when I sleep without it (which doesn't happen often), I wake up in pain.
|by Anonymous||reply 277||09/29/2020|
She has the heart of a child and her gamine, wide eyed delight is so charming in Paris! I’m sure the hardest, iciest Gallic heart was melted by her adorable antics and “mercis”.
|by Anonymous||reply 278||09/29/2020|
"We know. It was already discussed in detail upthread."
I know, bitch, I'm the one who was discussing it originally.
|by Anonymous||reply 279||09/29/2020|
R276 I agree, I should have said "She and Carrie never engaged in any insightful or intellectually stimulating conversation". Trey and Big must have been bored rigid.
|by Anonymous||reply 280||09/29/2020|
R277 I saw it as just a cheap device to tie Miranda's story to the "teen" theme.
|by Anonymous||reply 281||09/29/2020|
[quote] I know, bitch, I'm the one who was discussing it originally.
Then you should have realized it had been settled.
|by Anonymous||reply 282||09/29/2020|
[quote][R277] I saw it as just a cheap device to tie Miranda's story to the "teen" theme.
Wasn't that also the episode where they went to a school canteen themed restaurant?
Subtlety wasn't always the show's strong points.
|by Anonymous||reply 283||09/29/2020|
Regarding Carrie's political stance, didn't the politician ask her what voting district she belonged to and she said "Barney's??
|by Anonymous||reply 284||09/29/2020|
Voting records from 1992
Carrie: Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry. Obama, Obama. Clinton, Biden
Samantha: Clinton, didn't vote as on sex weekend in Mexico, Gore didn't vote as working in Toronto, Obama, Obama. Clinton, Biden
Miranda: Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry. Obama, Obama. Clinton, Biden
Charlotte: Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush. Obama, Obama, Clinton, Biden
|by Anonymous||reply 285||09/29/2020|
R285 Charlotte was certainly a Republican but not the bad kind. She’d be the type who hates Trump
|by Anonymous||reply 286||09/29/2020|
The clip of Carrie in the hotel in Paris has me wondering something. It's off topic, but is it accurate to show her tipping the guy who shows her to her room? I know the US has a tipping culture, and maybe the writers just assumed you would do this everywhere, but I'm pretty sure France has excellent labour laws. I'm from a country where we pay a living minimum wage too, and we never tip, not even in a fancy hotel like this. But maybe you do in Paris? Anyone know?
|by Anonymous||reply 287||09/29/2020|
What exactly is wrong with Carrie here? "What a delightful borough?" said with sarcasm. What does she have against cheesecake and cannoli? I mean, I'm gluten and lactose intolerant and I still don't have a problem with them. What a weird form of snobbery.
|by Anonymous||reply 288||09/29/2020|
Carrie's snide remarks sound like your typical bitchy queen really
|by Anonymous||reply 289||09/29/2020|
And people get tired of them pretty quickly in real life. It's a wonder Carrie has any friends left at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 290||09/29/2020|
Has there ever been another TV character who was supposed to be the lovable one that the audience actually rooted for but years later, in retrospect, everyone suddenly realises "What A Cunt!"
|by Anonymous||reply 291||09/30/2020|
Has there ever been another TV character who was supposed to be the lovable one that the audience actually rooted for but years later, in retrospect, everyone suddenly realises "What A Cunt!"
|by Anonymous||reply 292||09/30/2020|
I am not sure I would want to spend much time with Lucy Ricardo, Samantha Stevens, or Ann Marie. All of them seem a bit self-involved and self -important. In other words, cunty.
|by Anonymous||reply 293||09/30/2020|
Rewatching I Love Lucy a few years ago, I thought to myself "these days, Lucy Ricardo would probably be in a looney bin somewhere." She's obsessed with being a star even though she has no real talent and is always getting into insane schemes to try and get famous. She'd probably try to shoehorn her way into a Real Housewives franchise these days.
What I loved about Sex and the City at first was how the writers and actors seemed to know Carrie had major issues. She wasn't this quirky, adorable waif who just couldn't get it right. This was a severely damaged woman who we hoped would, one day, make the right choice, move on from Big, and find happiness. When she cheated on Aidan, it was a big turning point. They could either make her a tragic anti-heroine who was doomed to never be happy because of her lingering feelings for Big or they could shrug it off and sweep it under the rug and pretend like it never happened. Unfortunately, the picked the latter and the show suffered for it. They simply doubled down on her adorable quirkiness and made her out to be some aspirational heroine which was a horrible choice.
I wonder what would have happened to Carrie in more capable hands. I always thought the show should have ended with her alone, but still hopeful about getting her shit together.
|by Anonymous||reply 294||09/30/2020|
Yeah, it was so horrible that they made those changes and with it the ratings went up and the show became more mainstream and global.
|by Anonymous||reply 295||09/30/2020|
Those flaws are actually a big part of the show's success. Like "Girls", they kept things interesting.
|by Anonymous||reply 296||09/30/2020|
R294 yes, if Carrie rejects Big when he comes to Paris, that would show some sort of growth and movement from self-destructive relationships to valuing herself more. But the writers made her completely self-destructive and lacking any sense of self-esteem. She loves Big’s unavailability emotionally and craves that. The way they ended her story arc was kinda like Seinfeld—no growth whatsoever, just sort of juvenile and stuck in the same loop. A bummer, because the other women changed and grew somewhat. Carrie was doomed to be Ramona Singer from RHONY—a desperate 60-something flirting with men and with no real friends but tons of acquaintances. The other women would’ve dropped her as a friend at some point, I’d imagine.
|by Anonymous||reply 297||09/30/2020|
Carrie's book titles are shite, who reads that muck?
|by Anonymous||reply 298||09/30/2020|
Carrie in Paris was the absolute lowest. Her speech at the end with the Russian made my hair stand on end. The only parts I liked were how the Russian's daughter sneered at her and when she stepped in dog shit with her white stilettoes.
After having a wife as played by Carole Bouquet, how could he have even looked at Carrie? The only thing she had going for her was that she was 15 years younger than him.
Big's wives were superior as well.
I thought Big and Charlotte might have worked out as couple.
|by Anonymous||reply 299||09/30/2020|
Agreed in the ending. Like most feminist enterprises, save for "Private Benjamin", they preached independence for years and then made sure every woman ended up not just with a man but with a RICH man. So Smith can't be a struggling actor, he has to be a movie star with a beach house. Harry owns the law firm. Mr. Big, well. Even Steve can't just be a bartender, he has to own the bar. Total bullshit.
|by Anonymous||reply 300||09/30/2020|
I think Carrie would be more likely to end up like Sonja Morgan, R297: the broke put-out-to-pasture third wife of some cheesy old money geezer. Trying to seem unbothered by the fact that the she’s never invited anywhere anymore. Squeezing herself into whatever designer frocks still fit and finagling discounted facelifts. Cracking obvious jokes, yammering on about the nineties and talking about sex instead of having it.
|by Anonymous||reply 301||09/30/2020|
I think she’d rather like being put out to pasture.
|by Anonymous||reply 302||09/30/2020|
Remember when Carrie couldn’t stop speaking about how amazing she is after breaking up with Big and the girls tell her to see a Shrink but she’s closed minded to it. She needed a live in therapist
|by Anonymous||reply 303||09/30/2020|
I rewatched the series about 6 years ago when I was in a very Carrie/Big type relationship with a man I was madly in love with but who used me in a similar way. We'd break up, he'd go off with someone else for a month, break it off, and come crawling back to me. This happened about 4 times and I was really relating to Carrie a lot. When you're obsessed with someone like that, it's hard to cut them loose and I'd be lying if I said I didn't still think about him all the time.
Thankfully, I found someone wonderful and didn't fuck it up. I wish Carrie had been able to do the same. I know it sucks, but move on. He's not that into you.
|by Anonymous||reply 304||09/30/2020|
Charlotte should have kicked Carrie the fuck out of her place after Carrie STORMS IN, then starts an argument with her for not offering the money.
Granted, Charlotte should have played it cooler at dinner, but Carries mess is not Charlottes responsibility. I can’t believe she had the nerve to storm in there like that to berate Charlotte and make her feel guilty. I would have cussed her out.
Maybe she should stop spending so much on clothes and shoes and eating out and then she will have more money! And why was she even at dinner if she can’t afford it?! I bet one of the girls had to pay for that too.
|by Anonymous||reply 305||09/30/2020|
Carrie only had 2 windows in that shoebox apartment. It must have reeked of her sweaty feet, cigs and cosmo farts.
|by Anonymous||reply 306||09/30/2020|
R303 that was absurd, there was nothing fabulous about her.
|by Anonymous||reply 307||09/30/2020|
R299, I love that scene where Carrie meets Alek's daughter! The actress playing Chloe is awesome. She's looking at Carrie the whole time like many of us on this thread probably would want to if we met her in real life. The only time she smiles is when she realises Carrie doesn't speak French. I wish someone would put that clip up on YouTube. It's been cut out of the clip of Carrie in Paris above, but is inbetween those two scenes.
|by Anonymous||reply 308||09/30/2020|
R305, here's an interesting idea... when do we think in real life the other three would've dumped Carrie as a friend? Charlotte definitely after the time you mention here; where Carrie storms to her apartment and confronts her about not offering her money. It always galls me how she uses that line: "You weren't being there for me when I have ALWAYS been there for you" (paraphrased). She uses that again in another episode or two and it's so annoying because Carrie is THE person who dumps her friends the moments she has a man.
So yes, I think Charlotte would've been gone then. Any ideas on the others?
|by Anonymous||reply 309||09/30/2020|
Samantha would have dumped her after she got judgmental about walking in on her giving head to the UPS guy.
Miranda would have had enough of her after the comment about the ring she helped Aidan pick out.
|by Anonymous||reply 311||09/30/2020|
^ Great examples. Sometimes I think Miranda should've stopped talking to her after Carrie decided to catch up with Big yet again and Miranda and her had a huge fight about it in the second-hand clothes store.
|by Anonymous||reply 312||09/30/2020|
[quote] Sometimes I think Miranda should've stopped talking to her after Carrie decided to catch up with Big yet again and Miranda and her had a huge fight about it in the second-hand clothes store.
Oh, yes! I was torn between that one and the one I chose and I decided to go with the situation that affected Miranda directly.
|by Anonymous||reply 313||09/30/2020|
In real life, there isn’t usually a single event that ends the friendship. People drift apart because their lives change. It is more likely that they would start seeing each other less when Charlotte got married, Miranda moved to Brooklyn and Samantha moved to LA, and then one day Carrie realizes that she hasn’t seen her former best friends for fifteen years.
|by Anonymous||reply 314||09/30/2020|
Charlotte is definitely the type “not that this isn’t fun, but since we got married, Harry and I want to spend more time with other married couples.” She’d probably try to set the others up with Harry’s single friends, and when it doesn’t work, starts hanging out more with his married friends and drops her single girlfriends altogether.
|by Anonymous||reply 315||09/30/2020|
As for Carrie, I’ve recently encountered one in real life, so I can tell exactly what happens. She’s still obsessed with Big, who is nearly broke because of the bad investment and keeps her around for her connections. She made it almost to the top of her chosen field - almost, because there is an aura of desperation and bitterness about her that makes people wary. Her girlfriends have long since moved on with their lives, and when they meet once or twice a year, they listen politely to her ramblings and have a moment of “I can’t believe we’re still talking about this after so many years.” By now it is obvious to all that it’s all kinds of twisted and unhealthy, but she’s not yet ready to face the truth. She’s this close to becoming an angry old cat lady, except she doesn’t care for cats or any other living being.
|by Anonymous||reply 316||09/30/2020|
[Quote] except she doesn’t care for cats or any other living being.
We definitely saw that with Aiden's dog.
|by Anonymous||reply 317||09/30/2020|
All of this sounds true. I was also thinking that after Miranda had her baby, she would have far less time to be hanging out with the girls, no matter what. And once Charlotte married Harry, that would have been the end for her. In fact, she would have run screaming the other way.
I might just be an anti-social cunt, but outside of college, I don't remember ever hanging around with ANY friends the way that these broads did. Maybe it's a female thing? I also never had a gaggle of gay friends. I had one best friend with whom I'd do a lot of stuff with, but that lasted a matter of maybe three years or so before we began to grow apart and now if we see each other twice a year it's a lot.
|by Anonymous||reply 318||09/30/2020|
I agree with the posts above. I'd also add that if any of the friendships were going to last, I would put money on Charlotte and Miranda, due to them both becoming mothers at roughly the same time. I've seen this happen a few times with various friendship groups from my 20s: girls in those groups who weren't as close with each other as they were with other girls, suddenly became the best of friends once they both have children.
|by Anonymous||reply 319||09/30/2020|
Given Charlotte's personal values, in real life I bet she would've been reconsidering their friendship even earlier, from the moment she found out about Big cheating on his wife with Carrie:
|by Anonymous||reply 320||10/01/2020|
R317 don't forget what she did to those poor fighter cocks that kept her awake!
|by Anonymous||reply 321||10/01/2020|
But if we have to pinpoint throughout the series, how about right after Charlotte lends Carrie €30k and gers a promise of payback as soon as she can, Carrie gets a super expensive haircut and buys strappy sandals at €400 to have her night out with Big. Carrie learned nothing from almost losing her home.
Miranda after Carrie sends Aidan to help her after she injures her neck, or when she is struggling to cope after her baby is born and Carrie calls her up (as she's getting ready to go to WORK) to obsess over Nina Katz. Or when she lied to her face about cheating with newly married Big.
Samantha after the UPS guy slut shaming or when she won't help sort her orange Bush (Samantha fished Carrie's diaphragm out of her cooter after all)!
There are many episodes where Carrie could have lost her friend.
|by Anonymous||reply 322||10/01/2020|
R318 who do you do stuff with now?
|by Anonymous||reply 323||10/01/2020|
That time Miranda said she was so sick of their dumb men talk and walked out should have been the end for her.
|by Anonymous||reply 324||10/01/2020|
Could you imagine if the shows focus had been about Miranda how different and frankly how much better the show would have aged? But at the same time what a throughly minor character Carrie would have turned out to be.
I always loved the relationship between Charlotte and Miranda. I always thought it was the most genuine.
|by Anonymous||reply 325||10/01/2020|
I like the Charlotte/Samantha "Thanks for fucking my brother" friendship. Or the episode where Charlotte calls Sam to dish about Trey finally getting it up.
|by Anonymous||reply 326||10/01/2020|
Some of you have never had real friendships and close bonds with others, and it shows. They were not acquaintances, they were FRIENDS, and you do not cut someone you have been so close to for years over one or two mishaps. Charlotte is not gonna cut her off for good for one thing. It would probably have to be something that continues to happen over a period of time for them to finally be done with her, and that would be after expressing what is bothering them etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 327||10/01/2020|
Miranda, Charlotte, and Samantha are not characters you build a series off of.
|by Anonymous||reply 328||10/01/2020|
Yeah, they covered this anyway when Charlotte got sick of Samantha's crude adventures and went back to her upscale college friends and they were shrews and bores. And Samantha met another crude one and hated her eventually.
The movies weren't great but they definitely showed they were friends, not just acquaintances. Some of you do that "people come into your life for a season" bullshit too well. I still have good friends from college (and, yes, some that flaked out along the way so it does happen -- and I'm a guy).
|by Anonymous||reply 330||10/01/2020|
That woman Samantha met wasn't just crude, she was sucking strangers off under tables at expensive bars.
|by Anonymous||reply 331||10/01/2020|
she isnt beloved.....samantha was the star.
|by Anonymous||reply 332||10/01/2020|
[quote]except she doesn’t care for cats or any other living being.
Remember the episode at Aidan's country house where she's screams every time a squirrel comes around?
|by Anonymous||reply 333||10/01/2020|
She locked Elizabeth Taylor in the utility room at Charlotte's so she wouldn't piss over her ugly wedding dress!
|by Anonymous||reply 334||10/01/2020|
r333 she was so obnoxious and annoying AND INCONSIDERATE. And, I am sorry, but do squirrel's not exist in NYC? I do not get it
|by Anonymous||reply 335||10/01/2020|
Didn't Aidan have indoor plumbing?
|by Anonymous||reply 336||10/01/2020|
What about when she beat Big over the head with her flowers and declared "I AM HUMILIATED!"
Sweetie, you are humiliating your own self.
|by Anonymous||reply 337||10/01/2020|
I loved when she gets robbed and runs into the salon, expecting everyone to come running to her and being worried, but no one cared.
|by Anonymous||reply 338||10/01/2020|
Don't forget that episode where Carrie smugly reveals she's comfortable enough to take a smelly shite at Big's apartment and the girls celebrate like its an accomplishment.
|by Anonymous||reply 339||10/01/2020|
Attack of the Crones at 337
|by Anonymous||reply 340||10/01/2020|
r337 That entire scene is fucking hilarious.
|by Anonymous||reply 341||10/01/2020|
Didn't they make a big deal about Aiden's country house being in Suffern so that Carrie could make a lot of pathetic puns, but it turns out Suffen is actually a modest sized city?
|by Anonymous||reply 342||10/01/2020|
[quote] [R318] who do you do stuff with now?
No one, really. Pre-COVID, I might see a movie with someone maybe once or twice a year, but I pretty much do everything by myself. I have more friends in NYC these days than I do in LA. When I'm in NYC I may meet up with people to eat out or see a show, but a lot of times I'll do stuff on my own there, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 343||10/01/2020|
[quote] Some of you have never had real friendships and close bonds with others, and it shows. They were not acquaintances, they were FRIENDS, and you do not cut someone you have been so close to for years over one or two mishaps.
Sure you do. I would say the older one gets, the less patience one has for people's bullshit. I just dropped a very close friend of over 10 years this Spring because I got tired of his behavior. He also owes me money, and it was becoming increasingly clear I was never going to see it. (Charlotte, take a lesson.) I miss talking to him, but I sure don't miss putting up with him.
|by Anonymous||reply 344||10/01/2020|
Charlotte in the early seasons often seems like the odd one one, and I mean, intentionally she seems like that. If you notice, whenever the girls are talking about the past, she is always left to ask: "who's that?", and she isn't in the flashbacks that were in the earlier episodes either. Then for a lot of the time you do get the feeling she is perhaps hanging with the girls only until her man comes along; there's even an episode where she tells them she's reading a book about how she needs to stop hanging around with "dysfunctional single women" and thinks she's going to spend more time with her married friends. At some point she seemed to grow up and view the others as being closer friends than she did before. This is all in my reading of it, anyway.
|by Anonymous||reply 345||10/01/2020|
"Voilà le french hat! Voilà le french fry!"
(to be fair, Carrie is fucking annoying, but I do sort of feel for her here, having gone into situations myself full of excitement and optimism to end up receiving a cold shoulder like that. I never acted like a crazy person like her though.)
|by Anonymous||reply 346||10/01/2020|
Oh please. How many times do you have to be hit over the head by a 2X4? Big showed her a million times over and over who he was and she chose to ignore it. She never ever evolved.
|by Anonymous||reply 347||10/02/2020|
And after all that they permitted Carrie to become bored of a more sedate life with the man she chased for 12 years in that second movie (in search of a plot).
|by Anonymous||reply 348||10/02/2020|
Come on, I know she was flawed but Sarah Jessica Parker made Carrie far more likeable than she could've been, lots of cool touches and laughs and moments that made me smile. She is great. Imagine that same role in the wrong hands, say, Mia Kushner, and how nasty she could've been.
|by Anonymous||reply 349||10/02/2020|
But imagine what Dana Delaney would have done with the part. Sarah Jessica Parker made the part unlikeable by playing the narcissism without humor.
If Delaney had accepted the role, I think she would have found the humor in the self-involvement. In fact, most actresses would have found a way to show us the insecurity under Carrie's selfishness. Parker went stridently into it, which would have been more appropriate for a heavier drama or a second lead. But as the lead in a comedy, it made for a hard to like character. Even in the 90s, no one liked Carrie and tuned in for the strong supporting cast.
|by Anonymous||reply 350||10/02/2020|
Interesting. I find Delaney dull and with no real hook but I get your take on it.. Sarah had moments I loved, though -- like her uncontained cackle on "Miranda dated an overeater and he overate her!" And I found her self-effacing, actually, love that she hated her nose and her inability to relax with men because of her cliched absent dad. The tears as she kissed the New Yankee, etc. When the writing was great, Parker was great. She only flopped on bad lines like "It's a relationship, not a timeshare" (and there was usually one like this per episode, it seemed, especially from one female writer).
|by Anonymous||reply 351||10/02/2020|
But doesn't the entertainment come from the fact that Carrie is completely oblivious of being such a selfish cunt without even a hint of self awareness? Even after Miranda tells her off it's business as usual afterwards. Carrie never grew as a person, her sidekicks did.
IMO SJP was really good as portraying Carrie having some sort of Peter Pan syndrome where Carrie stayed true to her self absorbed cunt self. Even when you think the Russian could finally provide some personal growth the show's balance is restored with Big giving her an out to go back being her usual self without ever having learned a single lesson in the whole show's run.
|by Anonymous||reply 352||10/02/2020|
Dana Delaney is a shit actress who somehow managed a middling career with little talent and zero charisma. She would have been a terrible Carrie.
|by Anonymous||reply 353||10/02/2020|
[Quote] Imagine that same role in the wrong hands, say, Mia Kushner, and how nasty she could've been.
I still hate Jenny to this day. Can't believe fans wanted her back for the reboot.
|by Anonymous||reply 354||10/02/2020|
I can believe there were any fans left for the reboot.
|by Anonymous||reply 355||10/02/2020|
R355 anything is possible lol
|by Anonymous||reply 356||10/02/2020|
I think you meant Mia Kirschner, and she did a great job as Jenny on the L Word—the script writers, however....terrible flip-flopping of her personality from season to season.
Andy Cohen literally just asked Stacy Abrams and Alanna Glazer on WWHL whether Carrie should’ve ended up with big a few nights ago. Makes me think he lurks on DL, because we had just talked about Carrie and the Big ending a day or two before WWHL. This thread has been very active. Either that or this was an interesting coincidence.
|by Anonymous||reply 357||10/02/2020|
Sort of off-topic but is LA Story worth watching??
|by Anonymous||reply 358||10/02/2020|
she aint beloved. we watch out of disbelief than any woman could be so shallow, dumb , fake and fugly....omg her equine face.
|by Anonymous||reply 359||10/03/2020|
Oh god, I couldn't even imagine watching this show all over again. I was never sure why I even watched it in the first place since I always hated the show's gays, but I guess there's no denying in small doses it was a fun little show. I remember trying to watch the first movie and and realizing what utter crap it was I fastforwarded through it and never returned there.
And yes, Carrie Bradshaw was a self-centered little girl playing a grown-up without a real job which probably made her a total role model for certain type of females.
|by Anonymous||reply 360||10/03/2020|
CB is beloved because she embodies so many core values of modern society. Undeserved vanity. Consumption beyond one’s means. The self at the expense of all others.
|by Anonymous||reply 361||10/03/2020|
Yet the show was developed with Delaney in mind. And honestly, the show did okay with a charisma-free actress in the lead, so how much worse would Delaney have been?
I am forgetting the other actress who turned it down. I want to say Elizabeth Shue, but maybe someone else has a better memory.
|by Anonymous||reply 362||10/03/2020|
I thought Carrie was relatable when Darren Star was in control. When Michael Patrick King took a lot went over the top.
I always quote this (a review of the damnable movie but the demise of good writing on the show, you ask me): It is 146 minutes long, which means that I entered the theater in the bloom of youth and emerged with a family of field mice living in my long, white mustache. This is an entirely inappropriate length for what is essentially a home video of gay men playing with giant Barbie dolls.
|by Anonymous||reply 363||10/03/2020|
I know it's off topic but as The L Word and Jenny Schecter were mentioned above, I have to say that I recently rewatched the original series and Mia Kirschner played the fuck out of that character. I thought she did a tremendous job, especially with the writing inconsistencies. I never hated Jenny though, even though her type of character would've been a nightmare to be around in real life. She was seriously, seriously fucked up, and the entire series is pretty much just watching her self-destruct. I felt for her a lot in the first season, her fish-out-of-water feelings were very identifiable. Anyway, I just wanted to give Mia some love for a very hard job she had to do and in my opinion did very well.
|by Anonymous||reply 364||10/03/2020|
Why? Do you really need to ask?
Because whilst they struggle with kitchen table issues, baby poo and vomit, boring husbands, inadequate and increasingly infrequent sex, budgets inadequate to anything but what is in reality an upper working-class life with middle-class pretensions, they look at Carrie and see someone whose unapologetic narcissism, cynicism, and opportunism, yet with very little resembling real talent, have provided her with a life consisting mostly of flitting about the (formerly) buzzed up environs of the Upper East Side and adjacent fleshpots of Manhattan in designer clothes, ridiculous shoes, interested in nothing but sex and money, and spending what appears to be mystifyingly little to earn it.
For what it's worth, I know working women who do live in Manhattan, not Middle America, who despise Carrie Bradshaw because her life no more resembles their schleps back and forth to boring office jobs on the subways than it does Middle American women whose lives are consumed by making ends meet and wiping up baby poo and vomit (see supra).
|by Anonymous||reply 365||10/03/2020|
Did Carrie invent the obnoxious phrase, "my gays"? I'm sure many straight white women ended up furious, perplexed and a bit humiliated when they walked into a gay club and were completely ignored by everybody except the most pretentious, vapid queens.
|by Anonymous||reply 366||10/03/2020|
Did Carrie invent the obnoxious phrase, "my gays"? I'm sure many straight white women ended up furious, perplexed and a bit humiliated when they walked into a gay club and were completely ignored by everybody except the most pretentious, vapid queens.
|by Anonymous||reply 367||10/03/2020|
R362: It was Mädchen Amick, who, in her youth as Carrie, would be a believable man-magnet. She explains why she turned it down below:
|by Anonymous||reply 368||10/03/2020|
Madchen Amick as Carrie Fairchild in Central Park West was fantastic. CPW imo was the best of the nighttime soaps until Raquel Welch (channeling Mae West or reprising her role as Myra Breckinridge) came aboard and destroyed it. Available to stream on Daily Motion.
|by Anonymous||reply 369||10/03/2020|
I saw an SATC tour bus when I was visiting a friend in Jersey City. We were sightseeing in Manhattan when one of the buses drove by. I wanted to pelt it with eggs. Filled with frau lemmings, sheep. I loathed them all.
|by Anonymous||reply 370||10/03/2020|
Yeah, I like "L Word" a lot too, just watched it years after its time, and Mia is fine -- though nobody could overcome when they made her a shallow twit out of nowhere. I think she ruined her career early (a) when she dropped out of "Kids" because she had too many demands and gave us Chloe S. and her much bigger career instead and (b) when she did that awful comedy when she talked about having her chest shit on. I cringed and never looked at her the same again.
Parker has the lightness and the self-effacing thing (see her work in "Ed Wood" where she even says, "Do I really look like a horse?"). Amick could've worked although she never showed much range. Carrie being a little off in her looks made women like her too. Worst would've been a modern day Bess Armstrong or some other humorless WASP. Can't even think of the modern equivalent.
Nio mention of Sandra Bernhard being first choice for Miranda? Or is that just a myth?
|by Anonymous||reply 371||10/03/2020|
[quote] Did Carrie invent the obnoxious phrase, "my gays"? I'm sure many straight white women ended up furious, perplexed and a bit humiliated when they walked into a gay club and were completely ignored by everybody except the most pretentious, vapid queens.
No, it was Kathy Griffin. I don't believe Carrie Bradshaw ever said that.
|by Anonymous||reply 372||10/03/2020|
She treated Stanford and Marcus like toys.
Did SJP get the no-nudity clause before or after the Pilot?
|by Anonymous||reply 373||10/03/2020|
[Quote] and (b) when she did that awful comedy when she talked about having her chest shit on. I cringed and never looked at her the same again.
I seriously doubt Not Another Teen Movie had that big of an effect on her career.
|by Anonymous||reply 374||10/03/2020|
Amick would have been too pretty. I read her more as a Charlotte.
I do think SJP's average looks were what made her more relatable in the role. If Carrie had been this bombshell, she wouldn't have been as relatable to "normal" folks and it might have made her seem more like Charlize Theron in Young Adult and you'd have hated her even more, because you sit there and say "bitch, you're gorgeous. Grow up, get some therapy, and settle down with someone who could actually love you."
|by Anonymous||reply 375||10/03/2020|
If Amick had been Carrie it would have made the constant fawning and coos of "you're so fabulous" a lot more believable.
|by Anonymous||reply 376||10/03/2020|
Amick would not have been right as Carrie, and sorry, but we were supposed to believe Carrie was a bombshell.
|by Anonymous||reply 377||10/03/2020|
The humor comes from the fact that Carrie is played by someone who isn't super pretty. It's the absurd humor that makes it so entertaining. At least for me. I love Mädchen Amick, but she would made the franchise less entertaining by being more straight forward and believable.
|by Anonymous||reply 378||10/03/2020|
Sorry, she would have made the franchise less entertaining ...
|by Anonymous||reply 379||10/03/2020|
We weren't supposed to believe Carrie was a bombshell, but she was treated as one? Uh, Ok!
|by Anonymous||reply 380||10/03/2020|
Apparently when she was cast SJP explicitly confirmed she was willing to nudity.
Flash forward to the execs viewing of the pilot producers generally like it but want to spice it up so they get attention and live up to the name. They want a reshoot of Carrie topless during the scene where she's getting her box eaten by an ex.
SJP refuses. They're stuck. They can't afford to reshoot the pilot with a new actress and still make the release date. They have no choice but to concede to Parker and go on.
The writers in turn have to give what would have been SJPs nudity quota to the other girls, who had originally be told these scenes will be minimal.
The producers were obviously fuming but got their own back during the first season by inserting embarrassing scenes (Carrie mistaken 4 a hooker, Big embarrassed to be seen in public with her as she's a dog, farting in bed, cock drawn on her bus poster etc)
|by Anonymous||reply 381||10/03/2020|
r381 that is a lie. Producers, Execs and the cast have all said she had a no nudity clause from the start, and her being the main character and already a name in Hollywood, they were okay with that.
Kristen Davis also had a no nudity clause but when approached about a specific scene she was willing to do a quick flash
|by Anonymous||reply 383||10/03/2020|
R383 that's what they said to the press to cover up the fact they were mislead.
Charlotte had her tits accidentally included due to camera angles in a scene where she fingers her pussy in front of Trey. They left it in the final edit. The other time is when she flashed her left tit at a sailor.
|by Anonymous||reply 384||10/03/2020|
R371, I can't find the clips now, but I've seen interviews where Sandra talks about it and it's definitely true. I'm not completely certain of the next thing I'm about to say because I can't find the clips, but it did sound to me like she was attached to the programme before SJP was.
The reason she said she didn't do it was because they couldn't pay her enough. She said none of the girls got paid much to be on the show until the movies and I that Sandy felt her standing at the time meant it would be bad for her long term to show she was willing to take a lower paying role.
She said something like "if only I'd known, but we didn't know then. And anyway, I would've had to put up with Sarah Jessica and all her bullshit". That's paraphrasing, but it's the gist of it. It's fascinating to me how SJP generally seems to have a good reputation but every now and then these comments are made by random people, alluding to something more going on beneath the surface.
|by Anonymous||reply 385||10/03/2020|
SJP's feud with Kim Catrall is well known. And if reports are to be believed all Kim did was ask for more money for her AND the other two girls who abandoned her when Sarah got snippy and used her producer credit clout to make it more difficult for Kim on set.
|by Anonymous||reply 386||10/03/2020|
^That's where I really sympathise with Kim too... it wasn't like she was behaving like a diva and demanding she should get more money because of Samantha's popularity or anything; she was asking for [italic]all[/italic] the women to have an equal share, and to try and stand up for others and then be left hanging must've been hard. Though I'm not sure if she took it to heart particularly seeing as she always seems to be fairly friendly towards Cynthia even now. Probably understands that she would've had more standing to make a fuss than either Nixon or Davis would've.
|by Anonymous||reply 387||10/04/2020|
R371, it is interesting that you bring up Ed Wood where SJP's part was cut considerably because she could not act it.
(By the way, the real Dolores Fuller REALLY looked like a horse.)
|by Anonymous||reply 388||10/04/2020|
If SJP hadn't lied to the producers or actually did nudity we might have been spared more of the random Miranda boobage
|by Anonymous||reply 389||10/04/2020|
Why was SJP against the other girls getting more money. Sure, she was the nominal lead, but it really was an ensemble show.
|by Anonymous||reply 390||10/04/2020|
[quote]She is the most selfish, self-centered narcissist that I have ever seen. She’s all about “me me me” and God forbid any of her friends have a problem without her making it about herself.
You answered your own question. The loved her because most white women are just like that.
|by Anonymous||reply 391||10/04/2020|
Does anyone look at Christine Marinoni (Rojo Caliente) and think - Cynthia Nixon is married to a human version of her own breast?
|by Anonymous||reply 392||10/04/2020|
[quote]She treated Stanford and Marcus like toys.
They were gay Stepin Fetchits for real. When Carrie was dating the politician and Stanford asked her about his hot assistant and when she found out that the assistant was gay, but not interested in Stanford, Carrie told Stanford that he wasn't gay...bullshit. How dare she!!! And he was dumb enough to believe her. It was all about making Carrie a Magical Fag Hag who protected her gays from hurt.
And don't get me started on the Stanford and Anthony's wedding in the SATC 2 movie...one gay movie reviewer said that a good friend of his wanted everyone in the movie to catch AIDS. I had to laugh at that shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 393||10/04/2020|
That's a very nasty thing to say, even in a bitchy review.
Going back to earlier posts, I will admit that Charlotte had nicer tits than Miranda, she should have stepped up more to cover for SJP's lack of nudity.
|by Anonymous||reply 394||10/04/2020|
I thought that Kristin was the most beautiful of all the SATC cast, SJP of course, being the least. She hid it well with killer hair and clothes.
|by Anonymous||reply 395||10/04/2020|
I always thought Miranda was the most beautiful and had one killer body! I'd eat her pussy til doomsday!
|by Anonymous||reply 396||10/05/2020|
SAME REASON MR ED WAS BELOVED HONEY
|by Anonymous||reply 397||10/05/2020|
To the poster who said SJP was a star and had the power to refuse nudity and choose her terms for playing Carrie, please name any of her movies which were a box office hit? I checked and I can't see any.
And most had bad reviews too. By 1998 she had all but exhausted her chances in movies and was reduced to supporting, character parts (which actually suited her better). She was a huge find.
|by Anonymous||reply 398||10/05/2020|
Honeymoon in Vegas
And though she was not a lead, First Wives Club
|by Anonymous||reply 399||10/05/2020|
I seem to recall that when it started SJP was considered the big name star of the leading cast.
|by Anonymous||reply 400||10/05/2020|
LA Story she was supporting and it only made €25m. Flop
Vegas, crap reviews and made €35m against a €25m budget. Flop
Hocus Pocus, €41m against a €28m budget. Disappointment.
Sarah was well on her way to C list when she got SATC
|by Anonymous||reply 401||10/05/2020|
r401. What's your point? Had the other gals better and more successful careers than SJP? From them all SJP had probably the most name recognition, then Kim Catrall, Kristen Davis was probably mostly known for her Melrose Place role and Cynthia Nixon was mainly theater.
|by Anonymous||reply 402||10/05/2020|
"Ed Wood' beyond respected Oscar winning film. 'Square Pegs" big cult hit on TV. "State and Main" by Mamet criticaL indie hit.
|by Anonymous||reply 403||10/05/2020|
I know of no one tht watched it for her, Samantha was the STAR
|by Anonymous||reply 404||10/05/2020|
Listen she pushed herself as a starlet and all her "Hollywood" movies before SATC failed. She was 32 and not getting big parts when she got "Carried away"..
|by Anonymous||reply 405||10/05/2020|
R402 I was countering R383 who claimed SJP was a "Hollywood name" whose star power the Execs were so desperate for they willingly let the star of their daring, sex based new HBO show have no-nudity in her contract.
|by Anonymous||reply 407||10/05/2020|
I think what's being skipped over here is that in 1997, HBO had not established itself as an original series powerhouse. Its hits were The Larry Sanders Show, and to a much lesser degree, Dream on and Arliss. Stars were not clamoring to be in HBO series. Getting SJP was something of a coup for them, so they were willing to negotiate.
|by Anonymous||reply 408||10/05/2020|
Had Carrie been in her early or mid 20's during the show, I think people wouldn't have been as tough on her. That's when most people make those big mistakes and try to go after their Mr. Bigs. It was the fact that she was still doing this when she was pushing 40 that was sad.
It's like the character of Sally Bowles in Cabaret. Cast her with an 18-29 year old and you're still sort of on her side, but cast her with someone older than that and she gets more and more pathetic with each year you add.
|by Anonymous||reply 409||10/05/2020|
If sjp was not a bigger star then the other women then how did she manage to make more money than them? How did she manage to get a clause that required no nudity? Whether you like it or not sjp was the biggest star when the show started and still has the most name recognition after. FACT.
|by Anonymous||reply 410||10/05/2020|
SJP was much better known than the others. Kristin Davis was the only one who came close. I was a Kim Catrell fan for years and NO ONE had heard of her back then. Nixon was best known for being in two Broadway plays at once about ten years earlier.
|by Anonymous||reply 411||10/05/2020|
[quote] I was a Kim Catrell fan for years and NO ONE had heard of her back then.
Don't be ridiculous. Kim had had a 20+ year career at that point and was known the world over for Porky's, Mannequin and Police Academy, all of which were huge hits.
|by Anonymous||reply 412||10/05/2020|
Those kim cattralll movies were decades old by the time sex and the city came out. SJP was a bigger star, hence she was the lead, hence she parlayed that into a producer credit, hence she made more money
|by Anonymous||reply 413||10/05/2020|
R412, Catrell has a good career, but no one remembered the names of the actors in Porkys. She was one of those "whatername" actors.
|by Anonymous||reply 414||10/05/2020|
Porkys and Mannequin did not get you an interview in the Times or feature in people. It did not get you seen at the Oscars. Catrell was whatsername in a few low-rent hits. It was not the same as an above the title credit in a film with name stars.
|by Anonymous||reply 415||10/05/2020|
You claim to be a huge fan of Cattrall's yet you've spelled her name wrong three times.
|by Anonymous||reply 416||10/05/2020|
[quote] Those kim cattralll movies were decades old by the time sex and the city came out. SJP was a bigger star, hence she was the lead, hence she parlayed that into a producer credit, hence she made more money
They were hardly decades old. SATC was shot in 1997.
God, some of you people are so fucking stupid.
|by Anonymous||reply 417||10/05/2020|
I had seen both Catrall and Parker in movies prior to SATC. I've never watched Melrose. To me, Cattrall was more famous on name alone, but Parker had the more recent films.
|by Anonymous||reply 418||10/05/2020|
Being inspired by the recent threads on Sex and the City here, I just watched the first six episodes of season three. I will say, in the beginning of season three I was actually ok with Carrie. She wasn't terrible, and we were back with the more gritty feeling of those earlier seasons too. I wondered if she was more palatable because she was single/dating minor characters in these episodes. The show is horribly dated, but you know, I was ok.
Then came that horrific "Boy, Girl, Boy, Girl" episode. It's not just that it's dated, it was awful at the time it aired. There's a contemporary review of it at Television Without Pity, then known as Mighty Big TV which I'll add here. I remember seeing this at the time and thinking it was really offensive. And it's not just Carrie, the other storylines are terrible too. Carrie is so bloody irritating, smugly going on about New Yorkers and how jaded they are and have seen everything, and then she gets horrified by... a bisexual boyfriend? She's the utter, utter worst! Whoever wrote this one is a terrible writer.
And unfortunately it's not an outlier, because the very next episode was the one where Samantha dates a black man and his sister hates her because she's white. Oof, this show! I used to love it!
|by Anonymous||reply 419||10/05/2020|
Carrie was surprisingly provincial in her attitudes toward bisexuality and psychotherapy.
|by Anonymous||reply 420||10/05/2020|
I actually think that the materialism in the show has aged the best. Thanks to social media, everyone wants to stunt online and present a luxury lifestyle. My niece wanted to get a Chanel bag for her birthday - why? Because her favorite influencer has one. She is 15 and knows more about luxury/beauty brands that I do.
I am friends with some fashion influencers (I knew them before they got famous online) who get paid 50k just for posting a stupid photo on Instagram of a product that sells out in 1 hour. Their fans buy everything they are promoting and want to be just like them. It is all about consuming, consuming, consuming. Even during Covid. Materialism is over? Not really.
|by Anonymous||reply 421||10/06/2020|
[quote] Carrie was surprisingly provincial in her attitudes toward bisexuality and psychotherapy.
I never wanted to slap her harder than during the "why do people telling me NOW that I should've done backups?" story after her laptop died on her. How was that woman even alive? She was so stupid, naive, and ignorant.
|by Anonymous||reply 422||10/06/2020|
r471, In Trump's America being a social media influencer can pay your bills (and then some) if you play your cards right. It's not like regular jobs with decent pay are waiting for Millennials and Generation X any time soon.
Of course, I think it's a problem for these younger generation to be so eager to buy expensive designer label stuff they see being promoted on the internet. I think at some point social media has to flag social media influencer accounts as not appropriate for younger, easy impressionable social media users.
|by Anonymous||reply 423||10/06/2020|
So, did the 15 year old niece get the Chanel bag?
|by Anonymous||reply 424||10/06/2020|
r424, hell no! She can buy it herself when she has a job and makes her own money.
For a sex columnist, Carrie was indeed such a prude. That was strange and lot of people commented on that even back then when the show was on.
|by Anonymous||reply 425||10/06/2020|
Was it ever mentioned where Carrie grew up?
|by Anonymous||reply 426||10/06/2020|
why dint parker get her chin sawed down like other stars.....rumer willis and bethenny frankel (her jaws sawed off alot)
|by Anonymous||reply 427||10/06/2020|
Is that why Frankel has such a weird jawline?
|by Anonymous||reply 428||10/06/2020|
SJP's best film to date is THE FAMILY STONE. But it was an ensemble film and everyone else in it was as good as her or even better.
She should start wearing gloves because her hands frighten little children.
|by Anonymous||reply 429||10/06/2020|
Here's a question based on one of those season 3 episodes. In the second ep where the politician wants Carrie to pee on her, she's discussing this while waiting in a line for something with the other girls and Samantha says: "I peed on a guy once, but it was an accident", and then Charlotte says: "I once had to stop eating meat for 3 months."
We were watching this like: "What?" What does this mean? None of us could work it out.
|by Anonymous||reply 430||10/06/2020|
Someone wanted her to poop on them? Or maybe she is just being clueless and not getting the kink of the conversation.
|by Anonymous||reply 431||10/06/2020|
Or maybe Charlotte is saying she stopped eating meat because a guy asked her to???
|by Anonymous||reply 432||10/06/2020|
It's such a weird line, isn't it? Like, if none of us can say obviously what she meant, it's pretty bad writing of course, but beyond that it's kinda surreal.
|by Anonymous||reply 433||10/06/2020|
Maybe it was to show that Charlotte didn't have a wild sexual story to relate to the girls, showing that she was more prudish. Not sure how true that was, but all I can remember is the guy who screamed "whore" at her while he was climaxing, so maybe she had a point. She was a little vanilla in the sex department.
|by Anonymous||reply 434||10/06/2020|
I thought Charlotte was desperate to contribute something to the conversation. And that was the best she could come up with.
|by Anonymous||reply 435||10/06/2020|
^If that's what they were going for, I think they did it better in the first episode where they spoke about politics and Charlotte keeps saying: "I had a college crush on Dan Quayle" until Carrie responds: "Yeah, we pretty much tried to ignore that the first time."
|by Anonymous||reply 436||10/06/2020|
Man, the guy who called Charlotte a fucking bitch, a fucking whore in bed was hot as hell. I would have let him do that all the time.
|by Anonymous||reply 437||10/06/2020|
I know what you mean, I didn't think that was a big deal at all, though of course Charlotte would. And I suppose his issue was he didn't know he was saying it which is something else. But hell, that kind of talk can be really hot in bed. Just not for her.
|by Anonymous||reply 438||10/06/2020|
And HAD to say it to come, even when he was aware. That was a good episode actually. And the one where the bad kisser "rapes" Charlotte's face. I know from a guy on set that it took her a million takes to get a line right but she was really great on the show a lot of the time. Especially right before Harry proposed (her Emmy nom year, I am pretty sure).
|by Anonymous||reply 439||10/07/2020|
She was actually decent given that her character was pretty bland. Kristin was Emmy nominated for the episode she begs Harry to even just be friends with her and the episode where she has to take care of her new puppies (she has a great scene where she gets angry that her dog gets pregnant first try but she can't have kids herself).
Comedy Supporting allows 2 episodes submissions.
|by Anonymous||reply 440||10/07/2020|
Charlotte and Samantha were the best. Complete opposites when it came to sex.
|by Anonymous||reply 441||10/07/2020|
It's crazy that Cattrall never won an Emmy. They were too busy giving Doris Roberts an Emmy every year for doing the same schtick she'd done for 40 years.
|by Anonymous||reply 442||10/07/2020|
Watch the loooong tracking shot of the other three women walking down a street talking about Samantha becoming lesbian overnight and you will see Kristin go up on her line for a long stretch and finally remember. Was probably too late to reshoot it or it had taken forever to get even THAT close to a good take.
|by Anonymous||reply 443||10/07/2020|
Jesus Kristen davis sounds like an idiot
|by Anonymous||reply 444||10/07/2020|
I never cared for Doris myself R442...she always seemed smug.
|by Anonymous||reply 445||10/10/2020|
Carrie was one ugly bitch in those series 5 episodes where she had that tight perm and trashy makeup
|by Anonymous||reply 446||10/10/2020|
Carrie was one ugly bitch in those series 5 episodes where she had that tight perm and trashy makeup
|by Anonymous||reply 447||10/10/2020|
Carrie was one ugly bitch in those series 5 episodes where she had that tight perm and trashy makeup
|by Anonymous||reply 448||10/10/2020|
aint love honey its pity that a human could be born fug as she....
MR ED IS SHE
HER HUBBY IS GAY , TOO
|by Anonymous||reply 449||10/10/2020|
bETH FRANKELS JAW LINE IS STILL FREEEEKY even after the saw job
|by Anonymous||reply 450||10/10/2020|
No kidding, R446. She looks like one of those strange dolls from the 1920s. We call those 'pensioner perms". But I thought she looked her absolute best when she had her hair long and straight, in the ep where Big took her to a Park Ave party. She looked like a dancer, which in fact, SJP is.
|by Anonymous||reply 451||10/10/2020|
I loved her long curly hair. The short hair was always terrible
|by Anonymous||reply 452||10/10/2020|
Series 5 came out around the time of Chicago, didn't it? I always assumed the look was a riff on Roxie Hart. Not to mention the fact that she was pregnant and cutting the hair short was a way of distracting people from noticing so much,
|by Anonymous||reply 453||10/10/2020|
Roxie had her hair pulled back in a tight bun and only wore black.
|by Anonymous||reply 454||10/11/2020|
That perm aged Carrie. And that Atlantic City episode she almost shat herself with joy about being called "The hot one".
|by Anonymous||reply 455||10/11/2020|
Imagine the cackling in the writers' room when they were forced to add that line
|by Anonymous||reply 456||10/11/2020|
And the nasty comment she made to Charlotte when she wore a revealing dress later in the episode because she was jealous she was no longer "the hot one".
|by Anonymous||reply 457||10/11/2020|
And the nasty comment she made to Charlotte when she wore a revealing dress later in the episode because she was jealous she was no longer "the hot one".
|by Anonymous||reply 458||10/11/2020|
And the nasty comment she made to Charlotte when she wore a revealing dress later in the episode because she was jealous she was no longer "the hot one".
|by Anonymous||reply 459||10/11/2020|
SJP picked up the opportunity and ran with it. Where else would she be a show leader? With that mug, especially now?
|by Anonymous||reply 460||10/11/2020|
I just finished season 3 yesterday, which I decided to watch out of interest as it's been ages since I've seen some of those earlier episodes. It's very dated as everyone else has said, and some of the episodes are truly terrible ("Boy, Girl, Boy, Girl", "Hot Child in the City", "Frenemies" and "What Goes Around" - the saving grace of which is only the final scene where Natasha tells Carrie off) - especially after Charlotte's wedding/Carrie and Aiden splitting. Interestingly, Carrie is awful, but she's actually a lot easier to take at the same time... it's like we haven't quite got to the part of the show where the tone is: "Oh that wacky Carrie! Ya gotta love her!" She's still a character that you don't necessarily think of as being SJP. I noticed SJP was a producer during this series but not EP yet, Darren Star is still EP, which may have helped? Also, I think this is the last time that SJP looks really soft and pretty.
I did like the episode "Running with Scissors". I thought they did a good job showing Carrie and Big's affair going from fancy to sordid, and the scene at the end where they are in the bedroom at Big and Natasha's house and discussing whether he will break up his marriage for Carrie was written well. They're still playing games with each other, Big might be saying he wants to leave his wife, but is cagey at the same time. And then that scene where Natasha falls down the stairs still packs a punch.
But honestly, my mind wandered a lot. It's funny to think how much I used to love this show.
|by Anonymous||reply 461||Last Saturday at 3:21 AM|
I've been doing the same R461. I'm into Season 3 now. Damn, there were some hot men in that show and I'd forgotten about some of them. Charlotte's facelicker, the hot short guy Samantha dates. I wonder if the real actor is that short? Mr. Too Big of Samantha's is one of the best looking men on the show.
|by Anonymous||reply 462||Last Saturday at 7:39 AM|
Season 3 Carrie was fascinating. I had the thought that perhaps SJP insisted on making her more likable after she behaved during that season. I'm sure it alienated a lot of viewers to see her being a home wrecker. Personally, I thought it was the last brave and realistic choice that show made and they handled it well, not judging Carrie for what she'd done, but not celebrating it either.
|by Anonymous||reply 463||Last Saturday at 8:55 AM|
Carrie should have ended up alone and bitter
|by Anonymous||reply 464||Last Saturday at 9:06 AM|
After being mistaken for a prostitute AGAIN, Carrie should have really rethought her life choices
|by Anonymous||reply 465||Last Saturday at 9:14 AM|
I think she was secretly a prostitute in the early seasons but didn't let on to her friends.
Always bra on of course. Later in the series she had to quit as all her regulars dropped her, due to loss of looks.
|by Anonymous||reply 466||Last Saturday at 9:20 AM|
R463, that's what I've been thinking too! It's almost like when Carrie is moaning over and over again at Aiden in Season 4 "you have to forgive me!" it's not just her saying that to him, it's SJP saying that to the audience.
I agree too - in fact I think the affair was one of the better written parts on that show. Certainly it was more interesting to rewatch than most of what happened in that season.
|by Anonymous||reply 467||Last Saturday at 12:13 PM|
[Quote] it's SJP saying that to the audience.
Which may have worked on Aiden, but not on me.
|by Anonymous||reply 468||Last Saturday at 2:14 PM|
It's amazing how SJP looks so soft and is made up so well in season 3 and then in season 4, when she has more control over the show, she's pretty much wearing clown makeup and looks really harsh. I can't remember - was that the fashion at the time?
|by Anonymous||reply 469||Last Saturday at 2:26 PM|
One thing I know from my own experience - you do not see yourself as a homewrecker and may not feel any shame at all if you are having an affair with a long-term ex, unless there are children involved. You see yourself as the "rightful owner," stealing back something that was stolen from you.
I didn't judge Carrie at all for having an affair with Big, apart from having sex in his marital bed. I felt sorry for her actually. But her naive expectation that Natasha would forgive her and her behaviour at the ambushed lunch were outrageous. To be fair, though, Natasha seemed to be more upset about her broken tooth than her violated marriage.
|by Anonymous||reply 470||Last Saturday at 10:23 PM|
Bigger question is why are so many DLers obsessed with what white women in middle class America are into?
|by Anonymous||reply 471||Last Saturday at 10:27 PM|
I wasn't going to continue after finishing season 3 but I thought I'd throw on the first episode of season 4 just to see how the show was changing. It definitely has a different feel, it's not hugely noticeable, but noticeable enough. It's more "cartoony" now. The women are becoming less real, and more caricatures... I think Miranda is the only regularly real seeming one really. SJP is doing a lot of "comedic" reactions to everything, her acting is becoming more broad (and not in a complimentary way). I think I've also worked out why she looks different after I watched first 6 episodes (yep, I kept going). She's clearly been working out a lot, she almost has that Madonna look in her arms and it makes her look more sinewy and harsher. Plus the makeup isn't flattering - 2001 must've been the year for heavy blush, because that's all I'm seeing.
Carrie is much worse now too, really awful to her friends. I suppose it's meant to be comedic, but it's annoying really. She's so rude to them. Particularly to Samantha.
Oh and the second episode is that god-awful one where Carrie is asked to be a model by Margaret Cho (who is almost rivaling Heather Graham when it comes to terrible acting). The whole episode is one long reason for everyone to tell Carrie over and over again that she is fabulous.
Oh, and speaking of hot men, I really like the guy who does the baby-talk with Samantha.
|by Anonymous||reply 472||Last Saturday at 11:49 PM|
Watch the classic gay film "Parting Glances" to see more of John Bolger (the baby talk guy). He stars in it and is great. It should be required viewing for all gays, young and old alike.
|by Anonymous||reply 473||Last Sunday at 10:39 AM|
Oh I will do, thanks R473. Seeing him be gay would be very sexy.
Actually, just checked out the AZ Nude site, and there are a couple of clips of him there.
Many, if not most of the actors on Sex and the City who played the boyfriends-of-the-week and did the sexual hijinx stuff were gay actors, weren't they? It does seem so from those I recognise, and I imagine that would be a lot more comfortable for the actresses in those scenes too.
|by Anonymous||reply 474||Last Sunday at 12:35 PM|
Straight women emulating Sex in the City and similarly asinine "female empowerment" shows is why there are so many single 40 something women in the world now. Some women can have it all, so to speak, career, husband, kids but the majority will feel burned by trying to achieve all three.
|by Anonymous||reply 475||Last Sunday at 12:41 PM|
A lot of what is considered "female empowerment" in media is very asinine, I agree. I don't think being able to blow your paycheck on designer shoes is particularly empowering, but that's what we're lead to believe it is. And we're often told someone is a strong woman, rather than shown it. Rather like how Beyonce deals with it in her music.
|by Anonymous||reply 476||Last Sunday at 12:48 PM|
R476 The strong woman trope is so tired. There's nothing wrong with feeling vulnerable, that goes for men as well. I've seen first hand women who sacrificed having families for their careers and they twist themselves in knots trying to convince themselves that they are happy when they clearly have regrets. " You don't need a husband or kids to be happy" is an admirable feminist message but it rarely reflects how many women actually feel.
|by Anonymous||reply 477||Last Sunday at 12:57 PM|
Here's the trailer, R474. According to my friend who played the other lead (excellently), Bolger was straight but cool. This film launched the career of one big star (you can see), another female TV star who is great in it (you can see) and one who should have been huge -- Adam, the adorable college kid who didn't really pursue acting much after. My friend also deserved bette though he had another nice run with "Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss."
The director would've been ground breaking had he not died of AIDS right after this came out. Still sad. A great indie. Back when gay was kind of hip and not just about registering at Macy's for china patterns and living the burbs. :)
|by Anonymous||reply 478||Last Sunday at 1:32 PM|
Thanks R478! Ah, so he's straight then? I should've known, given my history in who I'm attracted to haha. Worst gaydar ever here!
|by Anonymous||reply 479||Last Sunday at 1:40 PM|
I do remember my friend said Bolger wouldn't do nudity, though I think he did on "SATC", right? Bolger stopped off at a soap for a while too, "One Life to Live", I think.
|by Anonymous||reply 480||Last Sunday at 1:47 PM|
I just saw the episode he was in and if it was nudity it was impossible to see. When he gets up from the bed and storms off to the bathroom, you see him go into the bathroom but from behind the curtains hanging around the bed. He could be nude, but he could not be as well and it's just framed to give you the idea he is.
Another thing about season 4, suddenly all the women are wearing bras while having sex. It's kinda weird that his character is all: "Samanfa, I wuv your titty-witties" when they're completely hidden haha.
|by Anonymous||reply 481||Last Sunday at 1:54 PM|
The titty-witty guy didn't show anything. The only cock we got in all season 4, maybe even the whole show (?) was James, if you freeze-framed a scene where he and Samantha are by a pool.
|by Anonymous||reply 482||Last Sunday at 1:59 PM|
Half way through season 4 now. The product placement is getting really overt... H&H Bagels, George Foreman grills etc. And Carrie has started squealing at everything, ugh!
Still, Cynthia Nixon's section in "My Motherboard My Self" again brought tears to my eyes. The wrestler Samantha was fucking in that episode was kinda cute too.
Samantha doesn't really have any depth at this point in the show, she just turns up to do something wacky, and that's about it. I really like her character in general, but not in this season so much, so far. And I'm completely uninterested in Charlotte and Trey.
|by Anonymous||reply 483||Last Sunday at 9:01 PM|
I like Charlotte and Trey and think she should have stayed with him. She could have just backed off a bit with the fertility treatments. But Bunny was a problem that was not going away, that's true. However, I never bought that they cured his impotence that fast.
|by Anonymous||reply 484||Last Monday at 12:32 AM|
I'm not up to it yet, but I seem to remember a point where Bunny says to Charlotte: "I don't enjoy Mandarin food and I don't enjoy a Mandarin child". I would never have been able to be as controlled about it as Charlotte was, and she was pretty revolted as it was. Bunny was such an awful woman! But I do love that actress, she always does a good job in the things I've seen her in.
As much as I'm not interested in them, I must say I did laugh at his face when he's all: "Darling, I'm juicy now!"
|by Anonymous||reply 485||Last Monday at 1:19 AM|
Was the Carrie character written as some kind of hick fresh off the turnip wagon? She seems to have no polish for a supposed NYC girl. Chomping gum at the opera, lighting up whenever and wherever she wants with no regard for her surroundings or respect for other people, causing scenes in public places, etc. She is seriously flawed to the point of atrociousness.
|by Anonymous||reply 486||Last Monday at 3:37 AM|
I think it was around 4 that Starr departed (or was so bored) and Michael Patrick King started playing Barbies with the characters.
The Charlotte and Trey storyline emerged like stunt casting with no point other than the stunt, as did the idea of let's make Carrie cute and dress her up beyond believable.
Shows almost always suffer when the original vision departs and the new team comes in to make their own mark. I never had a problem with Carrie until she became so cute and screwball!
|by Anonymous||reply 487||Last Monday at 4:34 AM|
It's very odd R486 - she spends all her time talking about what a city girl she is, but as you point out, she behaves like a hick. I'm just up to the episodes where she is going out to the "country" to stay at Aiden's country house... and she's insufferably rude about the whole thing, like she's above that.
It's funny because all those examples you mentioned are the kinds of things we outside the US would use to show the "ugly American abroad" trope, and yet here is an American show proudly putting them front and centre. The gum chewing is the worst! And yes, the scene causing is so cringey!
Yeah, that seems right to me too, R487. You can see a real difference between Darren Starr and Michael Patrick King at the helm. And amen! On this rewatch I have realised the same - screwball Carrie is when she becomes insufferable. And to me, she no longer feels like the character Carrie. She feels like SJP playing Carrie, if you get me.
|by Anonymous||reply 488||Last Monday at 11:49 AM|
R488 Carrie is gauche no matter wherever she's at and mean in her way. She's always unburdening herself of guilt at the expense of other people's feelings. She should have kept her cheating with Big from Aidan. Sometimes the best thing is to keep quiet and not do it again.
|by Anonymous||reply 489||Last Monday at 11:56 AM|
Absolutely. I don't buy that she had any altruistic reason for admitting that affair. "Always unburdening herself of guilt at the expense of other people's feelings" is perfectly put!
She's very mean, I agree. I always remember towards the end of the series that whenever Stanford comes along she starts making plans for doing fun things: "just with the girls". What a nasty bitch. Make plans when he's not around if you don't want to include him.
|by Anonymous||reply 490||Last Monday at 12:01 PM|
Have been watching "Summer of Sam" lately and am surprised I like Jennifer Esposito in it. Playing a dopey whore with a heart of gold and could have been awful but she's likeable and gorgeous. She'd have made a good Carrie especially at the time. Not a big name but does good work. Wonder why she isn't bigger save for mothering Gosling's baby, right?
|by Anonymous||reply 491||Last Monday at 12:16 PM|
Which episode did Carrie say "just for us girls"?
|by Anonymous||reply 492||Last Monday at 1:29 PM|
Can't remember the name but it was the one when they went to watch Charlotte's dog compete.
|by Anonymous||reply 493||Last Monday at 1:41 PM|
Found it. There was also another episode where she does something similar, I seem to remember.
And then there was that episode where she was "relieved" when she found out his relationship wasn't going as well as she thought.
|by Anonymous||reply 494||Last Monday at 1:45 PM|
There was an episode in season 2, I think, in which Carrie punched Big in the face because he accidently pushed her out of the bed while they were sleeping. I soooo wanted him to punch that little c*nt back. Of course if he had, she would've screamed abuse at the top of her lungs because it's totally okay to give your boyfriend a black eye, but how dare he lay a hand on you.
|by Anonymous||reply 495||Last Monday at 2:08 PM|
Early seasons Carrie, who chain-smoked, wore that ratty fur coat during the daytime, and wasn’t above fishing out Samantha’s diaphragm and having the occasional spot of cringey casual sex in the non-Big/non-Aiden episodes, was so much more satisfying than the “Diamonds, Daisies, Snowflakes, That Girl!” character she became after SJP took up as an executive producer.
|by Anonymous||reply 496||Last Monday at 2:28 PM|
Absolutely R496! And the thing is, the earlier Carrie was morally dubious too (remember her smirking while sitting next to her friend who had been videotaping his sexual partners without their consent?), but so much easier to take than the later Carrie who is constantly apologising for Samantha's behaviour to everyone around her and plotzing any time anyone says anything remotely sexual.
Another change I've noticed now I'm into season 4... the "Manhattan is the centre of the world" attitude is in full swing. Remember the earlier episodes where the girls HATED people who thought life began and ended in Manhattan? Miranda refused to date one guy because he never left the city and the girls pronounced this the "worst". Now, they have become those people.
|by Anonymous||reply 497||Last Monday at 2:47 PM|
Early season Carrie would never have carried (no pun intended) on like this during this conversation, as an example:
|by Anonymous||reply 498||Last Monday at 2:52 PM|
[Quote] Not a big name but does good work. Wonder why she isn't bigger save for mothering Gosling's baby, right?
Eva Mendes is the mother of Gosling's kids. Jennifer was married to Bradley Cooper. I think i last saw her in Mistresses, which i watched a quite a bit of.
|by Anonymous||reply 499||Last Monday at 3:29 PM|
Sorry to be petty but it was Samantha who fished the diaphragm out of Carrie, not the other way around. Sam took a shot of liquor and then wryly said, "I'm going in."
Thanks for the Mendes/Esposito clearing up above. I need to see more of Esposito's work (Mendes was okay in that bad twin movie with Damon and Cher way back when but that's all I know about her). Is Jennifer also Latina? Sorry, dumb question, I'm sure, but not sure what origin Esposito is, Hispanic or Italian.
|by Anonymous||reply 500||Last Monday at 3:54 PM|
See? Wouldn't she have made a good Carrie? Can be pretty or rolled up hard, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 501||Last Monday at 3:57 PM|
Love her. Great speaking voice too.
|by Anonymous||reply 502||Last Monday at 3:59 PM|
Many have pointed out what we wrong here. Carrie went from being a relatable everywoman to becoming some sort of fashion template and goddess to look up to and aspire to be. I don't think a lot of people would have aspired to be season 1-3 Carrie. Many of us already were. She was messy and didn't know what she was doing just like most of us, but they never went too far out of their way to make her appear cute or charming. She did dumb things and there were usually consequences. By season 4, she's become an almost totally different person who's just given up and wants to be as selfish as humanly possible and not caring who they hurt in the process. Go figure that this is when the series really seemed to become popular.
|by Anonymous||reply 503||Last Monday at 7:23 PM|
Actually, I thought Carrie's transformation from a carefree, open person into a selfish narcissist with no fucks left to give to be very realistic. She had turned 35, her failures were piling up, and her future looked grim. Other examples of this were Lexie Featherston, Enid Frick, and to me, Miranda.
|by Anonymous||reply 504||14 hours ago|
She was never carefree, she was always with the drama. Made her feel really grown up and cool
|by Anonymous||reply 505||10 hours ago|