If "Trans Women Are Women," Why Must Productions Only Hire Trans Actors to Play Trans Roles?

The world is sick and getting sicker.

Since when do any of these cultists follow any logic anyway?

Wishing doesn't make it so.

If you can choose your gender, why can't you choose your race?

If only transwomen can play transwomen, then only bio women should be able to play bio women.

If only transwomen have unique experiences that only they can truly understand and represent, then bio women have unique experiences that only they can truly understand and represent.

Trying to apply logic to something that goes out of its way to defy logic is only going to give us all headaches, OP.

Because, at the end of the day, it isn't about being seen as just the same as any other woman. It's about being special. It's also about getting money and attention and other various freebies out of it, but mostly being special.

[quote] If "Trans Women Are Women," Why Must Productions Only Hire Trans Actors to Play Trans Roles?

How does this affect you personally, OP. Did you lose a part to someone at the community rec center? Yeah, I didn't think so.

You do you.

And shut your fat whore mouth.

Defensive tranny alert at R8

[quote] Defensive tranny alert at [R8]

And the true, hateful theme of this thread has been revealed...

R9, you make it so easy.

I don't see a problem with women who aren't trans playing trans roles and vice versa. Isn't that what acting is? Pretending to be something you aren't in reality? That is something trans people should be used to because they do it everyday.

Oh, the irony

Shhhhhhhh, OP. There are certain truths we are no longer allowed to say out loud.

Be careful, lest you risk a bang on your door by the Trans Thought/Word/Pronoun Police.

Casting decisions are LITERAL VIOLENCE!

R8 can't defend trans activist "logic" so instead replies with fatphobia and slut-shaming.

How progressive!

Don’t attempt to understand it with logic. For that matter, why is gender identity malleable but racial identity immutable?

So you can start troll threads, OP.

I’m so sick of these discussions!

I suspect it's left-wing ciswomen who demand that trans roles be played by trans actors.

Not trans women themselves.

R19 Wrong. It was transwomen who kicked up a stink about the casting of Transparent.

Maybe a few on Twitter.

Most trans women don’t want anyone to draw distinction between themselves and ciswomen.

R20, and also unhinged transwomen who wanted attention that destroyed the show and Tambor’s subsequent career.

I've seen them be much less harsh if a cis woman plays a trans woman or a cis man plays a trans man. If a cis man plays a trans woman or a cis woman plays a trans man, however, the shit hits the fan, because they immediately think it'll start violence and says that trans people are just men in dresses and women in slacks. It's always why they seem to hate movies like Tootsie and Mrs. Doubtfire. I really wish I could understand this issue, but I don't think people are really going to accept trans issues for several decades to come. They're trying so hard to push this stuff on everyone when most people don't even personally know a trans person.

My main problem with trans people playing trans characters is that most of the trans actors I've seen are absolutely awful. Maybe if they start getting some good trans actors into the business, things will change. Sorry, but Laverne Cox isn't a world class thespian simply because she's trans. Seems like a nice girl, but she's a terrible actress.

Calm down, hon. The performing arts have bigger challenges to face right now than the niceties of casting.

The same goes for race though. All Asian roles should be played by Asians (more specifically, Chinese to play Chinese - not Koreans to play Chinese). All black roles should be played by black people.

However, any other role should be able to be played by any race, including historical pieces.

Some in the gay community want it that way as well - gay roles should be played by gay actors, but gay actors should be able to play any role as well.

The reasoning is that there are so few productions that focus on gays, trans, Asians, Latinos and Black peoples' stories, that those productions should be true to life to tell the story authentically.

That's the argument at least. There's some truth and solid reasoning behind it, but of course it doesn't apply universally. It's still a predominantly straight, white media world - although I would argue we've gone overboard recently as a knee-jerk reaction to try to rectify the past.

Because trans woman are NOT women OP

They are men in dresses and heels and ratty wigs

But you knew that

So insightful. Thanks for bumping.

"tales of the city" did a great job. Anna Madrigal as an old lady was played by a woman, as a young woman, a trans

It's because their arguments shift and change depending on what they are trying to get for themselves. They are not based in science or logic.

It's also why their shrieking on Twitter and NLP-style mantras like "trans women are women" are so hyperbolic and dissent/debate is squashed because "my existence is not up for debate"! The trans activist arguments fall apart easily so they bully and intimidate to scare people off from looking too closely.

Did any of the trans kill your mother, OP? You seem so clinically obsessed with them, starting 10 threads about them every day.

But I thought your mom died of HIV, didn't she?

Bingo, R29.

When I’ve just waken up, and I see the OPs post, basic honesty is called for r27

These threads which begin with "If trans are...." remind me of logic questions. I can't understand why so many here have such great difficulty categorising such people. It's simple really.

Are Cheeseburgers hamburgers? Cheeseburgers are still hamburgers, just with a little something extra. Is a cheeseburger different to a hamburger? Why yes, it is, however it's still a hamburger. That's how I see trans. They're definitely strongly related, yet different. They're simply in their own special category.

I think for the sake of authenticity, it probably is best that trans play trans roles, and gays play gay roles. I'll leave it up to the individual casting directors or producers, but I think it's something many feel similarly about.

Plenty of straight male actors have gotten easy Oscar noms for playing yet.

Yet no openly gay actor has won an Oscar!

That's why gay roles should be played by gay men.

logic is not their strong suit.

R35 That it isn't!

^ sorry, from R33.... Hadn't realised there was another post in between as that poster doesn't show for me any longer.

Can you imagine if IRL lesbians were only allowed to play Hollywood lesbians?

All those hot sex scenes played by butch three-hundred pounders.

It's the insane misogynistic trans activist troll, it's best to keep it blocked!

Trans women should play post-menopausal ciswomen.

More convenient in production.

I wonder if the trans people see the irony in being afraid that having a cis man play a trans woman in a movie will topple the validity of transgenderism in the eyes of the general populace. If your identity is fragile enough that someone who isn't trans playing dress-up as a trans person will call your whole identity into question, that's a red flag and you need to examine some things.

I wonder if ciswomen see the irony in being afraid that having a trans woman exist will topple the validity of womanhood in the eyes of the general populace.

If your identity is fragile enough that someone passing as a woman will call your whole identity into question, that's a red flag and you need to examine some things.

R42 I'm a gay man, not a woman, dear. It is so weird that trannies seem to think that the only people who oppose them are women.

You have enemies everywhere, dear, and they come in all shapes and sizes. The feminists should be the least of your worries. None of us like you, none of us like your bullshit, none of us believe your mental illness can change reality. And if you think the world will accept you with open, loving arms once the feminists are out of the way then honey you've got a BIG storm coming. The silent majority loathes you, so bang your pots and pans while you can. Your days are numbered.

[quote] Your days are numbered.

“But rad fems never threaten others!”

ENOUGH with this ridiculous "ciswomen" and "cisman" bullshit!

Instead say "real woman", "actual woman", or just "woman" because that's what you mean!

You don’t sound secure in your identity, R45.

R44 Again, gay man, not a rad fem. You lot fucked up by trying to take the history of the fight for gay rights away from us. The Marsha P. Johnson bullshit cost you what would've been a valuable ally. Shame.

I'm a gay man too actually.

(Though not British, like I suspect you are, and I doubt you ever would've been an ally to trans women)

38, 40-44, and 45-48 are all the crazy trans activist troll.

Way to prove that trans = mental illness!

Your numbering is off, the trans activist troll is 38, 40, 42, 44, 46, and 48. It responds incessantly to any thread mentioning trans, trying to blame "radfems" and women for whatever. Block and don't engage! It will respond no matter what you do or say, with the same bizarre divisive misogynistic ranting. It seems to have some sort of mental illness.

Uh! Muhsoggynee!

So bad! Gay men EVIL!

I’m not a girl, not yet a woman.....

All I need is cane...

A trans woman to blame...

While I go insane...

All the best women have dicks.

💋

If a person has a dick, he’s a man r54

Don’t pretend that words have no meaning

Political correctness and wokeness run amuck!

It's called acting...straights can play gay roles...gays can play straight roles...trans can play non-trans roles...non-trans can play trans roles.

Robbie Coltrane was right...just a bunch of people waiting around to be offended.

Why do some of you think it’s important that you identify someone else’s gender? How does it effect you?

[quote] Why do some of you think it’s important that you identify someone else’s gender? How does it effect you?

Because TERFs realize men can be better women than them.

Just like we’re better at everything else.

You people will go to such great lengths to ignore the logic equalizer that trans people draw a distinction between sex and gender. For all the “ThEY R ilLOgiCAl!1!” trolls this distinction actually solves pretty much every single issue you can bring up. And the hypocrisy of a bunch of gay men and lesbians to assert that trans people are incorrect about their held beliefs about their gender identity being evidently true, when homosexuality in the past was denied or not taken seriously, and that gay people died as a direct result. Shameful.

Also as a follow up, it’s so intellectually bereft that all of these battlegrounds have to be fought over movies and tv. “Hollywood should be able to cast who they like” like, can issues in modern life be understood through any other lens on this dumb website? You’re bad gays. So uninspiring.

Because a male rapist in prison in Scotland announced he was a woman and was transferred to the women's prison, where he raped at least one female inmate. There have been similar cases, too.

That doesn't affect *me*, but my advocacy doesn't begin and end with myself.

R61 do we judge every gay man over the actions of a few? No we don’t.

[quote] That doesn't affect *me*, but my advocacy doesn't begin and end with myself.

Mine does.

Gay rights are not a general ‘be nice to everyone’ movement. They’re about my liberation as a gay man.

I'll never understand why the bootlickers of the gay community insist on trying to turn the gay rights movement into a party for everyone. It isn't. It's about gay men and their battle for equality, which has been waged for over fifty years now and is still being fought. Being transgender is perfectly legal in countries where being gay is punishable by death. The gay rights movement is not your ticket to piggyback off of.

Although I guess I should stop complaining, it doesn't matter any more. The gay rights movement is dead and nobody cares about us anymore, trans people made sure of that. Homosexuality will stay criminalized in over 200 countries until the end of time while gay men are told they aren't oppressed and that we already have all our rights. Sickening.

Is this another Matt The Insane Tranny Hater thread?

Trannies are the devil

R65 has blood on his hands.

You aren’t r8, r10.

But nice try.

Same shit, different assholes.

Trans activism is gender appropriation.

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[quote]You don’t sound secure in your identity, [R45].

Yes, not as secure as all those guys getting fake tits implanted, their penis chopped off and wearing dresses, who are secure of their identity....for the moment at least!

R34–Kevin Spacey in 1999. And Linda Hunt won an Oscar for a male role. Hmmmm

R62 men commit 98% of sex crimes, in the UK the number of trans women in prison for sex crimes is around 40%, the number of women who are in prison for sex crimes is roughly 2%. There’s a problem here!

I always wondered why Richard Speck wasn't celebrated as a brave TransWoman, who killed the nurses because they made him feel badly about something. Why was she even in a male prison!?!?!

The real bootlickers are the Gays For Women.

That included cis and trans women r76?

Just kidding, we know you are talking about real women.

No, I’m not talking about real women.

I’m talking about ciswomen.

I agree with R64 but it’s hard to look at the pathetic gay men who worship rad fems who hate them like R62 and conclude trans women are the ones having their boots licked.

And how do dykes feel about us? Oh, yeah...

R59, I'm a woman because that is my sex, not my "gender identity". Menstruation is a biological event. Only women menstruate.

Everything we are talking about is related to the body and biological sex, not "identity" - sport, sexuality (I am attracted to my sex, not my "gender identity"), bodily functions, people of the male sex in women's prisons, being able to talk about how our bodies shape our lives.

If being a woman has nothing to do with the body, then what does "transwomen are women" mean? What is a woman? What are they identifying with? Why do trans people lay so much emphasis on acquiring the appearance of the body of the other sex if gender identity is nothing to do with the body?

And the hypocrisy is on you - gay people have died and been oppressed, trashed and shat upon throughout history and still are in many parts of the world for loving our own SEX not our own gender identity and now the trans are telling us that we are bad people for insisting that we love our own SEX and you are siding with the people who say that. You are anti-homosexual.

The trans are preying on gay people’s actual suffering.

It’s a sick fetish.

[QUOTE]I'm a woman

What are you doing on Datalounge?

R62, biological males with all their genitalia shouldn't be in women's prisons, especially given that they have criminal tendencies.

From the article at r61 that r62 objects to: [quote]According to the chief inspector of prisons south of the border, around one in 50 male prisoners now self-identifies as transgender, four times the level of the general population.

Lesbians shouldn't be in women's prisons, especially given their criminal tendencies.

Good point OP 👏👏😂😂

R81 girl shouldn’t you be all about respecting gendered spaces since you’re a terf, tell your what, carry thru that logic and gtf off datalounge*. And stop speaking for others.

*btw I actually don’t think lesbians should be disallowed from the site I’m just imploring you to apply your own tactics to yourself thank you!

R87 go fuck yourself. They aren't "gendered spaces", they are sex-based spaces. And DL isn't a sex-based space so your "logic" is additionally stupid. Lesbians have always been welcome here.

I notice you love to tell women to shut up, though. Your misogyny is noted.

Gay's mens spaces are gendered.

But women's are sexed.

You're a hypocritical cunt.

R88 so you acknowledge a distinction between gender and sex? That’s what we call growth. I’m not sure if you read my addendum to my comment that drew out that the part suggesting women weren’t wanted around here was farcical but you can drop your little victim act thank you.

And now for the closer (this will hurt a little but ultimately is for your own good) - you’re the misogynist - making generalized stereotyped comments about trans women is (drum roll) misogynistic! Bam!

R90 thinks gay men have vaginas.

It's what we've said a million times before: none of the 'women's spaces!' obsessives believe gay men have a right to a gay men only space.

Trans people don't believe gay men have a right to a gay men only space either. If they did they wouldn't have tried to take over the story of Stonewall and be reminding us every five seconds that we should kiss the ground they walk on because they "earned us our rights". Trannies and red fems are just two sides of the same coin, the only difference is that their lunacy operates in separate fields.

It’s not trans women who have taken over Datalounge.

It’s wannabe Carrie Bradshaws.

Trannies and straight women cunts ruin everything

Both of them should be shot

Despite what the rabid tranny in this thread says, I personally (as a gay man) would rather share my space with a feminist than a tranny. They both hate us, but at least feminists are relatively polite and quiet about it. Trannies make it known that they're homophobic, and they make it known loudly. I'd rather break bread with someone who quietly resents me than someone who screams it in my face.

All women, tranny or not, should be made to take a long walk off a short pier in order to make way for the Penisocracy the world both needs and deserves.

R96 Where are you getting that feminists dislike gay people. I am a 2nd wave feminists that trannies call a terf. I don't have a problem at all with gay men or women. I do however have a problem with trannies thinking they have a right to invade our spaces like bathrooms, showers, sports, and pushing kids into this. These men have lived as men all their lives and have no idea what it is like to be a woman any more than women know what it is really like to be a man. We have a completely different chemistry.

[quote]I am a 2nd wave feminists that trannies call a terf.

[quote]I do however have a problem with trannies thinking they have a right to invade our spaces like bathrooms, showers, sports

Oh, the irony.

Oh please R99. I am talking about situations where women can be raped or sexually assaulted.

Why don't you ask the gay men on this board if they want women posting here?

This board was advertised as a gossip board. I came here years ago for the gossip and stayed for the interesting commentary. I rarely post.

[quote]DataLounge - Gay Celebrity Gossip, Gay Politics, Gay News and Pointless Bitchery since 1995.

I'm a gay man, and as long as the women on this board aren't annoying they're more than welcome to be here. Trannies, however, aren't.

R98 I always laugh at this ‘our spaces’ thing. Let me ask you, if you go into a shop and there was a gender neutral bathroom but one that allowed for multi-person use (I.e. a collection of stalls but no urinals) would you fall into a total panic and not be able to use said space? Also, do you and these other ‘second wave feminists’ own these spaces? Or are they just someone else’s property being provided to be used a service on their terms. It’s funny because I usually don’t walk into a business and tell them who is allowed to use different parts of their space.

R96 these people don’t like you because you’re an unlikeable person probably. Also spoiler alert but men can be feminists, and most trans women belong in the feminist category.

I'm a gay man, and as long as the trannies on this board aren't annoying they're more than welcome to be here. Women, however, aren't.

If you try to find sense in this, you won't find any.. because there isn't any.

And can we please drop this dumb argument about trans people “pushing kids into things” like we all know the ones that push damaging gender stereotypes onto kids are straight parents “no son you can’t hang out with the girls you have to play sports what’s wrong with you?” From as soon as they can speak.

If a business only had a gender neutral multi stall bathroom I wouldn't use it. Too creepy and gross.

R110 ew listen to yourself.

R90 I'm not the poster you were responding to, so save your unearned condescension for someone who cares. You're not making any sense and if your point is to show that there is no logical argument for whatever it is you are shilling (it's not quite clear) then mission accomplished!

Women's spaces are sacred! Gay men's space are for everyone!

R113 I really don't think you're a gay man, but rather a tranny posing as one. Real gay men don't celebrate women being raped. Real gay men don't use words like "cis". Stop pretending to be one of us, freak, and get off our site. You aren't welcome in our community and you never will be. You are not on our side and we know it. Stop pretending to align yourself with us and GTFO.

Nah. I'm a gay man. You sound like a fish though.

It's really a pretty simple thing to answer: do gay men have a right to spaces free from women?

Yes r116

I think so too.

But the women on this site don't.

That’s because straight women are entitled and presumptuous, particularly the white cunts r118

If they contributed anything of value, then they’d be welcome. But they do not. These twats are useless to gay men. Straight men only tolerate them for their pussies.

The insane misogynistic trans activist troll is certainly riled up today!

So I'll take that as a no.

Gay men aren't allowed our own spaces.

R121 Gay men with penises are more than welcome to enjoy our spaces. Gay men with vaginas and boobies, such as yourself, are not.

Cool! And are we free to exclude ciswomen from our gay-only spaces?

R123 Of course. Nothing with a vagina in gay male spaces, "male identifying" or otherwise.

Yes r124

Good. I'd like to ask all vaginaed persons to hereby leave this board.

Lesbians have been on Datalounge since the beginning, and they have every right to post.

Straight cunts and trannies should be thrown in a grease fire for their intrusion, because they’re worthless.

R122 ‘Boobies’? What are you - 5?