Dateline Genoa City: Nikki Newman in quarantine

Thank you, new thread starter. The previous thread had been in quarantine since July.

It's been quite funny watching how much closer Sharon gets to Adam physically than she does Rey. I was hoping that was going to amount to something, storywise, and Adam-takes-his-shirt-off-wise, but nothing yet. It's just a side effect of La Pandemica they're hoping we'll ignore.

Considering how many of these bitches has been in prison, I would think none of them would have wanted to be locked up in a hotel with a bunch of other women!

Jabottom

r4 ewww

Whenever he's in the opening credits, I give him the finger. Summer and Theo, too. Also Phyllis and Abby.

I remember that summer when Theo would give him a couple of fingers. Good times.

Theo is so fucking useless. The actor playing him needs a bath. I cannot stand him. Always FF through his scenes.

I need to see how clean Theo’s taint is before I commit. Is he going for Kyle’s sloppy seconds?

What was the point of the Sharon eyeballs and panting and Adam leaving Chelsea if they were just going to snap back and pretend it didn't happen? Sharon Case really is the worst actor with those types of scenes. Kind of ironic (or moronic) to show a wannabe therapist lying THAT badly about somebody she's supposedly treating.

I don't mind Theo, At this point, I actually enjoy him more than JaBottom. And while the back story connecting Theo to Dina was totally unnecessary (not to mention uninteresting). he looks like he could throw a mean fuck. .. But the hair crew have failed him. Johnson has an amazingly thick head of hair that needs a proper cut and different product. Whatever they're using doesn't translate well to the camera. Other projects have styled him much better.

Theo needs to look as if he has NO product in his hair. That's his downfall.

R4

Sharon has no taste if she'd rather fuck skinny minnie Adam over hot papi Rey.

I'm just as tasteless, r12. Mark Grossman is the first guy I've watched a soap for in decades...since Danny Markel, actually. Rey suffers from well-meaning dogface.

Even before their real-life hook-up, Case's chemistry with Grossman was palpable.

Jordi's hot, but the Rey character is kinda boring. I don't know who they should pair him with. From what I remember, he had a similar problem on DOOL when he was playing NuDario.

Maybe they should just pair Rey with his beer bottle and let him do solo web cam shows.

Jordi had chemistry with his costar on Guiding Light but that was about it

They need to pair Rey with a little ginger bottom boy

Hans and I recently taped a few exquisite party scenes together. We are thick as thieves as Victor Newman and Katherine Shepherd Reynolds Chancellor Thurston Sterling Murphy!

R15 If Y&R wanted to do something buzzworthy, recast Noah to be a blondish-ginger (mid-20s like he should be) and finally play his bisexuality.

Noah and Rey could have a *moment* bonding over their concern for Sharon and her cancer.

Ooops!

R17 Yes!

When are the lezzys going to eat snatch? I want to see that happen!!!!

R16 And still no debut date in sight, Scoche

The only debut that psychotic shitgibbon is having is in his/her mind

I just don't see the appeal of Grossman. Physically he wouldn't turn my head & I'm at the point where I want Adam off the show. He's on everyday & even if he's not in scenes the remaining characters are talking about his boring ass.

I like Grossman. He's the right kind of fucked-up but sexy that character needs to be. The Chelsea character is just completely useless. I can't even stand the way the actress annunciates. The Theo actor really needs a haircut and to stay out of the sun. He's wayyy too tan.

I REALLY hate the way the characters dump each other after dating for two weeks on this show without zero build-up. Nick couldn't stand Phliyss and now they're in love AGAIN. Whatshisface dumps Lola to get with Summer AGAIN.

[quote]I like Grossman. He's the right kind of fucked-up but sexy that character needs to be. The Chelsea character is just completely useless. I can't even stand the way the actress annunciates.

Connor is Genoa City's Baby Jesus?

OMG! Don’t let Dumb Dylan from the SON see that you don’t like Grossman. Dumb Dylan thinks that Grossman is the BEST actor ever And best looking person in the history of the world.

ENUNCIATE. Sorry, Sister Mary Catherine Cunt-twat

Pleased to see youngsters still watch "my stories".

R23

I would be so happy if they wrote Adam, Chelsea & Connor off the show.

I would have no reason to watch if they wrote Adam off the show. I did not, and probably will not, watch yesterday's (9/21/20) episode. Thankfully, Adam is on today (9/22/20). I wonder how long this story would have gotten dragged out in the late '80s/early '90s. I would have loved every minute of it, mainly because of Mark Grossman.

Michael Muhney is the ONLY Adam!!!!!!

^^^^

What a lame assed tattoo.

I can't buy him as Adam.

He would have made more sense as nuNoah.

Sharon as his mother? Riiiiiiiight.

Gimme Papi Rey any day! He's a man -- the rest of these guys are just boys.

I just wished they had some well crafted stories to tell.

[quote] He would have made more sense as nuNoah.

Not really.

Any nuNoah needs to be in the 26-year old range in order to now appear younger than his older sister, Mariah. They sorased Noah after Cassie died, so it was accepted with her not being around, but now that we have twin sister Mariah, it looks weird that a husky guy in his mid-30s his playing her younger brother. (Grimes is 30 and the popular Cassie had been aged naturally, so up until her death, Noah had been as well.)

Mark is one of the more interesting actors to watch on this show. Too bad Griffith can't come up with something better for him.

So Grimes came out as a big ole lez. Shocking I tell ya. lol

I thought she came out as bi r39?

Yeah, she’s bi alright. She buys right into pussy.

Rather funny though, that she immediately followed up with the statement that it was her bisexual boyfriend who led her to this conclusion. Is he invisible?

^^^^

Isn't her boyfriend the actor who plays Noah? Did they breakup?

outside of Sharon's cancer is there any real, meaty story?

We can't invest in Summer and Kyle; they were already married.

I don't care that Lola's alone; she's whiny

Devon is stunned that Hilary and Amanda are sisters; he'd be insane not to know that in his heart the second they found out Amanda grew up in foster care

Adam v. Victor (snzzzz)

Chancecom; I want to cancel my subscription

Adam Chance what happened in vegas can say there b/c NOBODY CARES

Then stop fucking watching, asshole.

R43, no she's dating Fen. I thought both Max and Zack were gay.

But Max is engaged to some singer and Zack is dating Tessa/Cait in real life.

Stories ARE terrible.

The actor who plays Chance is so fucking homely! Oh mother of god.

R48 You are obviously suffering from visual impairment. You should make a fucking eye appointment ASAP.

R49 he’s not soap opera hot. He’s average at best. But it’s kind of refreshing to have an actor who’s not a 9 or 10 on the looks scale on y and r for a change. I think it’s kind of hilarious when 99 percent of people on any soap are super attractive when it’s not like that in real life. I know it’s fantasy but still. Even though Chance is pretty dull like every fucking character on this show right now.

R43 Camryn and Robert Adamson (Noah) are not a couple in that way. Just really good friends. They've talked about the crazy fans who made that up. Some idiots were even saying they were married RME.

Cait Fairbanks (Tessa) is the one who is dating Zach Tinker (NuFen).

As Prince Chancellor, Chance should be a total soap hunk.

I find Boaz average in both looks and acting.

John Driscoll is a million times better looking than ugly Boaz.

Driscoll's March wedding photo made it appear that he likes Army food A LOT, showing off his double chin.

(Bride was very pregnant, btw. She was due in August.)

Not a fan of tattoos, but even I have to say that's a lame tattoo that Grossman has at r31

Does anyone at CBS/SONY care about Y&R? This slow, painful death gets harder to watch every day.

R46. "Some singer" is Demi Lovato. I mean...I couldn't name a song by her at gunpoint, but she's pretty popular. And a FUCKING mess to boot.

R57 Yes, Demi is a mess, but so is Max. A mess made in heaven with these two. It won’t end well, we already know that but in the meantime, get the popcorn and watch it unravel. It was just a short while ago that Max was tweeting Selena Gomez trying to get a date with her and now he’s suddenly engaged to Demi. He’s an idiot.

R56 It seems as though CBS only cares as long as they can say that they are #1. They don’t care that Y&R has lost a million viewers in a year. As long as its still #1 in viewers. Its obvious that they don’t care what a boring mess of a show Y&R has become because they keep the loser Griffith and allow him to write such snoozeworthy shit. The show is so dull.

yeah, she was will's surrogate on Will & Grace.

I feel badly for her; she doesn't know who this guy is.

R56, in the latest ratings, Y&R was a clear No. 1 in both households and in the coveted Women 18-49 demographic.

Go figure.

Steve Kent wants to keep his college buddy Josh employed so he lets him stay and he hired him even though he knows his past stints have been crap.

I don't think they know the foundations of a good story.

With the required social distancing, The Stafford seems even more awkward and goofy in her scenes than normal. For some reason, the inappropriate grinning and gesturing.are even more pronounced. Remind me why they brought her back. and Josh Morrow thinks this is a good direction for Nick? These two worried about Dummer reuniting with JaBottom is something that could be written for recurring middle-aged parents.

I think they brought her back, R62 , because TBTB knew there was not a chance in hell that Gina Tognoni would ever play this shit.

Meanwhile, WTF diid Amelia and Mishael do to their faces? They looked like a couple concentration camp escapees today.

R63 I noticed that MM looks very different. Almost sickly.

How did this show become so boring? Even the Sharon cancer story is a joke. Sharon looks great for someone going through round 2.

The show is boring and fans across all demographics seem to agree judging by social media posts. Sharon’s cancer is the type of storyline soap should be able to depict well and should give Sharon Case some good material but it’s not just panning out at all.

Amanda as Hilary’s twin to bring back Mishael Morgan, OK, but it was obvious they were twins months ago so not exactly a revelation and given it’s a Cassie / Mariah retread there was no need to drag it out.

Agree Noah should be recast, with his pedigree he should be one of the leading character. They could easily lose Theo and bring Noah back and make him front and center.

Camryn Grimes is besties with Linsey Godfrey, formerly of B&B and now on Days, who used to date the guy who plays Noah and has a kid with him. I think Grimes introduced them or something. She has a “bisexual” boyfriend she posts Insta pics with. The bf looks gay and she pings to high heaven whilst never having any chemistry with guys so....

The lesbian fans believe the girl who plays Mariah’s girlfriend Tessa has recently dumped the guy who plays Fen, as he’s not in her Insta stories anymore or something.

So Connor is off to St. Mallory's boarding school. Good.

Sounds like a Catholic prep school for boys.

Hopefully, this means he'll return next summer SORASed to 16 and in love with his Lacrosse teammate.

Let's make the boyfriend an economically-disadvantaged Latino who was sent to St. Mallory's on scholarship.

He can be "Javier Torres," Rafe's nephew.

Yeah. Camryn is “bi”. Yup

Why do people fall for this shit?

R68, I am usually just as cynical (the Wynonna Earp actresses for example are absolutely full of shit), but CG seemed to have a thing with her friend Hayley Erin back in the day and only ever has chemistry with women on-screen. Then again, she decided to “come out” in a Twitter reply because a fan told her she couldn’t audition for Batwoman without being “queer” in real life, so who fucking knows.

I can’t see the Tessa character lasting much longer, but I think they’re going for a slow burn departure where she just gradually fades away. Maybe they will let them have a wedding day first.

I always think Adam should be bi. Or failing that, Kyle. But they’re both stuck in the same two or three dull straight romances over and over.

Camryn is a lezzie. There’s nothing bi about her.

Yes, agree that’s more likely R70.

Camryn is as “bi” as Elton John back in the day. CG is a DYKE!

Ugh- Judith “Bug eyes” Chapman is coming back??? The show gets worse by the day!

Demi dumped Max.

pretends to be shocked.

Those thighs were too much for Max to handle.

Max is as big a mess as Demi. Will he go back to tweeting Selena for a date?

I can't decide which is more boring - Slummer and JaBottom badly selling the idea that they are hot and in love, or Ick and Syphyllis droning on and on about what a bad idea it is for their daughter to get married again. NO ONE CARES. Bring on Judith Chapman. Maybe she can liven this snooze fest up.

Camryn looks like an egg with eyebrows.

My god this show has become so boring I actually look forward to watching DOOL. That has never happened! No tension, no drama...just slow on Y&R.

R77 Yep, and add Chance and Abby to the snoozefest as well.

It’s so bad, I switched to B&B. The guy who plays Thomas is super swish but fun to watch.

R67: Honey, Y and R did that 20 years ago with Billy Abbott and 'poor latino boy who somehow went to rich private prep school' Raul. I guarantee they were experimenting in the pool house long before mousy Mack showed up.

Y&R seems to have brought some stuff to a close and redirected stories over the past couple of weeks. Could they have used the time away to rewrite and bring some of the duds to an end? Examples:

We’re finally done with the insipid Phyllis/Abby crap. For a show that had one character hauling dinosaur bones around last month in order to best the other, you know they were in it for the long haul with this shit.

Suddenly picking up the Amanda/Hilary twin angle when they hadn’t bothered to touch it before.

Lola/Theo were on til she started to go all psycho at every little thing and now they’re off.

Adam/Sharon reconnecting out of the blue for like two weeks and then nothing.

I don’t like Michelle Staff infection.

R83 If you're sensing some new directions in storytelling, it might have more to do with Susan Dansby having been brought in as a Story Consultant.

Dansby is overrated. Her work on ATWT was a mess. She’s not gonna help Yawn & Boring. Firing the failure Griffith is the only way that things will change for the better. And just NO to hiring Miss Giddens. He’s a failure.

I don't see Susan Dansby in the writers' credits yet.

You people are INSANE. Stafford seems to be the ONLY actor not sleepwalking through their scenes.

If you say so, r88. I FF right through her scenes, as well as those with Summer, Kyle, Lola, and Theo. I'm forced to watch Abby because Chance figures in Adam's story right now.

My sentiments exactly.

They should have never asked Stafford back. She is an instant FF. Always.

I don’t see Giddens as a failure. It’s a shame “Ambitions” was cancelled because it wasn’t half bad. Far better than the Tyler Perry soap on OWN. And anything would be better than current Y&R.

R91 Stafford is fine. It’s the coma inducing material she’s been given that’s the problem.

R92

Ambitions not getting a second season was stupid. It got solid ratings for OWN and it now getting good ratings on STARZ..

Jamey has a bright future though. He's sold 2 new shows.

Bring back Fen. Damn, he’s was hot, spunky, sexy and had great chemistry with Dull Kyle. Bring back some Young and some Restless.

Shit can Braedon and Melody. Send the characters Nicholas and Victoria out to pasture. What more is there to say about their characters? They had their day in the sun. Enough already.

And write an actual story, not just time filler scenes.

Nick looks like he hangs out with the hoboes of Genoa City in between school drop-offs and lobby chats with his abrasive girlfriend. I snort a little every time a characters begins a scene with him with 'busy day?'

R83, you're giving them waayyy to much credit.

Show needs a new head writer; it's going to be more of the same of Adam suddenly hating Victor over and over...

Nick nodding.

Phyllis lusting after Nick like she's 25.

Nikki fretting

Sharon looking glamorous as a cancer patient (otherwise, she's doing an awesome job).

R94 Ambitions was a failure! Its lost 60%of its audience from Episode 1 to its last episode. How is that a success? It could not hold its audience and Giddens had years to perfect this baby. He could never write 250 episodes of a soap and expect to hold the audience interest when he couldn’t even hold the Ambitions audience for 18 episodes. Ambitions was a failure all around.

Drink your juice R98 .

R96, yeah, still a nice looking guy but my main suspense point in waiting for his scenes is: is this the day Nick has finally washed his hair?!

Never is.

That "beard" Joshua Morrow tries to grow doesn't do him any favors either. It's not only patchy, but the gray in it puts 10 years on him and makes his round face look fat.

Did they fire the hair and makeup people? Heinle's hair looked like it was done with a blender today. Even her trying to cunt it up with Abby, Chance, and Chelsea she came off as some deranged homeless woman they were humoring until the police got there.

R98 Just from what I saw of The Rich & the Ruthless and Ambitions, I know I wouldn't be able to sit through 250 episodes per year of La Giddens. And watching these actual productions of his stories, they pretty much proved what I'd already concluded about his work beforehand. .. He used to do lengthy twitter threads where he would go on-and-on about what he'd do with a current daytime soap opera, and whenever he'd to a "Y&R treatment," I remembr usually only liking about 1 out of 10 of his ideas. In short, I just don't think he'd be the right fit for Y&R.

R102 they only have limited people working behind the scenes during socially distanced filming. Apparently some costume back, but not hair / makeup.

Which is where this thread started, with Nikki’s wig!

In comparison, I thought MTS looked ab-fab today. Whatever cosmetic work she had done looks really fine-tuned. Plus, she's back to being well-styled.

R104

MST said their hair/makeup people came back in week 3.

Heinle's hair is always a mess. They need to tell her to cut that unkempt horse's tail.

R98/103

Jamey isn't aiming to work at YR. He has sold 2 new pilots to TV.

R106 I sit corrected. Heinle does need her hair trimmed.

R108

A trim? She needs at least a foot of hair cut off.

At least once during each episode Amelia Heinle is in, I thank the soap gods that we are no longer forced to watch Ms. PSS.

Aa long as Giddens stays the FUCK away from Y&R, I’m good. Sell all he wants. His Ambitions FAILED and I remember him thinking that he could headwrite Y&R. He’s an idiot. Just stay away from Y&R queen Giddens!

Alan Sarapa, the HOTTIE, is weighing in.

Giddens would be a hell of a lot better than the God awful pablum JG is churning out. I high schooler in creative writing class could do better than JG.

The fat SLOB Giddens would be the worst writer for Y&R. Good that he has sold 2 shows. Stay far, far, far away from Y&R you fat pig!

All the Jamey hate here is hilarious; I remember when people here picked on his weight and told him he'd NEVER sell his own show.

Well, he DID sell his own show.

I watched Ambitions; it was good and had potential to grow.

He'll work more. He's in the club. The hard part is over. ALL TV ratings are going down. There's like 500 + channels plus all the streaming.

I could watch nothing but FX programs and be busy all day.

Jamey is making his dreams come true; maybe focus on your own before slamming him for pursuing his.

Or, in the words of Reva Lewis, 'Try love.'

Nice to see you here, Jamey. Look at your resume: Ambitions = Failure. Cancelled. Go live your dreams but stay away from our beloved daytime soaps.

I don't hate Jamey. I just don't think whatever he's pitching is the right fit for Y&R.

I'd also question whether Ambitions was successful. As someone else pointed out above, the show didn't maintain it's momentum with viewers dropping. And It's score among IMDb voters is a very mediocre 5.0. That's pretty much my opinion as well.

During the hiatus they should have looked for a hot twink to assume the position of "Jared." The current actor, who is said to reappearing soon, is average on all levels.

He seems to have something to do with Amanda.

R117, didn't mean to single you out. No, I know all people don't hate Jamey,

and there are two ways to look at Ambitions or anything else in life; it's amazing he got it on the air at all.

Will Packer didn't dismiss him; he didn't judge him; he gave him a shot. And then Jamey gave it his all and worked his ass off. There's the success even without a season 2.

There have been haters here on DL saying he'd never get anything done. Well, that's not true. I've met him. A few rough edges, sure? Who doesn't. But he cares about seeing solid stories.

My take on Ambitions is the characters weren't introduced as well as they could have been. But how many shows have we seen go for several seasons that aren't that good?

When I was a kid we had three channels -- and ratings were what they were. Now, there's 500 plus channels plus streaming... it's already all too much. It's hard to make anything a success these days.

Have you seen Jamey’s ass??? Its ginormous. He certainly did not work it off. Ambitions failed. It couldn’t hold its audience and was cancelled. Jamey tried. He failed. I’m glad about it.

Was Mel Thomas Snott’s book a big flop? You never hear anything about it and no one has talked about any good gossipy revelations that were in the book. There was all this hype beforehand and then when it was released- crickets. Nothing.

R122 I don't know. .. But given that in-person, bookstore-tour promotions haven't been available to MTS during the pandemic, her memoir is already ranked higher in sales at Amazon than both EB's book and Jeannie Cooper's memoir. .. Not only that, but MTS's book is currently ranked #37 on the Television Performer Biographies List. In comparison, the book from Maurice Benard of General Mobspital is currently down the list at #80 and it came out just a few months before MTS's. .. And right now, Amazon shows the hard cover version of MTS's book temporarily unavailable, so that version must have sold out from that very prominent bookseller.

So comparatively, if MTS's book is a flop, then I guess all those others would be as well.

Maurice wasn't able to have in person signings either.

Melody's book is quite good, excellent, in fact; very conversational and she saved stories she'd never told over the years. Great photos.

You really REALLY have to sell a book. Get out there yourself and promote the hell out of it.

If soaps still packed the malls and halls like they did in the 80s and even into the 90s, then they'd sell like hotcakes.

It's too bad they can't have one HUGE in person soap convention (post-COVID, of course) and stars can bring the books and mingle with fans and do meet and greets and photo ops.

Maybe Y&R and B&B need to get in on that Creation thing. But those things are REALLY expensive.

Who the fuck is Alyssa? She has the A storyline on Yawn & Ridiculous? No wonder their ratings are in the shitter. I watch nearly everyday and have no clue who Alyssa is or what she’s about. The show is utter shit.

Soaps used to have A B and C storylines. Y&R has all C storylines. Nothing ever happens. It’s SO boring!

R125 she’s the daughter of the guy Adam killed as a kid. She’s working with Billy to write an article on all of Adams dirty deeds. I actually don’t mind the Adam getting exposed story. At least it’s something going on. The rest of the show I basically fast forward anymore.

John Driscoll was perfection when he was on GL. Not the most dynamic actor, but a beautiful, beautiful man.

R115 I've poked fun at Miss Giddens a few times. But I do respect what he's done and accomplished. More than us chatters.

I do think he goes a little too far into the Shonda Rhimes style DRAMA! moments but doesn't have as clear of a grounding in the quieter, emotional moments. You need a balance both for good soap and I think all of the remaining soaps are sort of anemic when it comes to small character stuff because they all want to make EVERY! MOMENT! POP!

He might be good for Y&R if he were paired with someone who could balance the drama out. He certainly has SOME good ideas.

[quote] At least once during each episode Amelia Heinle is in, I thank the soap gods that we are no longer forced to watch Ms. PSS.

I'd rather have Ms. Pinched Sphincter Syndrome than Whispery Goth Mommy any day.

R129, that's fair and he's new to being a pro so he's finding out balancing the network notes, what his producers say...Bill Bell was rare in that what he said goes! (or rather, sadly, went!)

Marland and Long had creative control, but not to the extent that Bill had.

Giddens is a fat slob moronic idiot. He had his podcast where he crucified everyone and THOUGHT that he could write daytime better than anyone. He didn’t get hired on daytime THANK GOD!!! He got his own show and it FAILED! His show got cancelled after 18 episodes and it lost audience week after week. So shut the fuck up Jamey and sit your FAT ass down!

wig!

R125

Alyssa is a part of the boring overexposed Adam story. It needs to be flushed down the drain & Adam needs to be back burnered immediately.

Speaking of hair, someone agrees with us at R101 and finally gave Nick a haircut and beard trim (as seen in Tuesday's 9/29 episode).

Hello my darlings! I wanted to share an exclusive look at one of my upcoming scenes as the recast Katherine Shepherd Reynolds Chancellor Thurston Sterling Murphy. I play opposite the exquisite Jason Thompson, who will be presenting me with my Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series. How delightful to be the new grande dame of Genoa City!

Nick has a nice ass. Other than that, the show is boring! Dull dull dull Nothing ever happens.

What the FUCK are they doing with Mariah? She was literally a sounding board the entire episode. So BORING.

[quote]Adam needs to be back burnered immediately.

In which case there would be no reason for me to watch...like yesterday.

They must be going for camp now with lank, greasy-haired Slummer portraying a Jabot executive with all the aspirational elegance of a truckstop waitress.

R139

Sweetie, the good of the show is more important than your fetish.

It's no "fetish," r141. Grossman is glorious (though I wish he weren't with Chelsea). There is not good to this show except when Adam is in a scene or is being talked about in another scene. Everything else is pure Gudegast scheiss. The quadrangle comprising the younger cast members is particularly excrescent. Phyllis and Abby also need to be on the next train out of town.

Phyllis has a riveting new storyline working behind the bar of the Grand Phoenix!

Phyllis and MS is a waste of space.

How can there not be any rumblings about a creative change? Even Maria's run was better, by leaps and bounds, than this shit.

I've quit watching, I used to watch every day when it was uploaded to CBS All Access at 5:00pm. I had to stop because it was knocking me out before nightfall.

R138 She’s only still around because of Cassie’s “legacy.” Camryn doesn’t have chemistry with anyone and Mariah is a dud.

[quote] What the FUCK are they doing with Mariah? She was literally a sounding board the entire episode. So BORING.

That's what the dull Mariah is. Putting her behind the counter at Crimson Lights to listen to other people unload their problems seems about right.

I remember hearing a rumor way back in 2005 that this is why Jack Smith opted to kill Cassie off to begin with. As sentimental as "Squirt" was, he'd come to the conclusion that teenaged Camryn didn't read "young soap ingenue", and he didn't see much future for her on the romantic front, but killing her off would provide a huge story for Nick and Sharon.

I will be coming to your rescue soon my dears! One of my Katherine’s first orders of business will be drunkenly mowing down the foliage at that hideous Chancellor Park!

Jamey and Sara Bibel would be a good team for Y&R, but as previously said, Jamey is selling primetime pilots. So daytime can kick rocks.

And while I don't have any proof of this, I'm sure that Ambitions was cancelled, not for ratings, but for real estate reasons. There is only so much real estate and only so much money and producers with bigger names probably wanted that slot.

Oh please, the ratings dropped considerably. And as far as real estate goes, the Oprah-Will Packer nexus was milked, but they have standards to maintain.

NO to fat Jamey and kiss ass Bibel. They’d be terrible for Y&R. And yes, Jamey’s dud of a show got cancelled because they lost around 60% of their audience from episode 1 to 18. That is a FAILURE!!! Ha ha ha.

Scoche you are so beautiful! Please save Y&R!

They should give Christian McLaughlin a shot at HW. He's relatively young (53), has worked as both a breakdown and script writer for Y&R and B&B; he's a successful novelist; he created-produced "Spyder Games" for MTV; and he's worked as a writer and producer for several network prime time series. Plus, he knows the old school Bill Bell style. Way back in the 90s, he was an intern at Y&R, saying in one interview, that he grew up on Rose De Ville. .. He last departed Y&R sometime during the Mal Young era.

Ivan's fantasy from Spyder Games. .. Can't you just see JaBottom going to dinner with fiancee Dummer and her parents, but once he notices Theo across the room, all he can think about is getting fucked by him on the table?

While it's not gonna happen anyway with Jamey since he's on to bigger things and they don't see Sara doing anything except breakdowns. But no matter who gets chosen you guys are gonna bitch anyway. They could dig up and reanimate Bill Bell's rotting corpse to write the show and you bitches would complain. Soap fans are their own worst enemies. And you would think you would be excited that one of your own actually made it and got something produced. But you're all bitter and angry for God only knows what.

I think Bibel got shifted to the Story-Script Editor position a little over a year ago.

What was truly the last great year on Y&R?

Great question, R157.

I'd say 2005 or whatever year it was that Cassie died.

Jack Smith was writing the show then; he knew how to have characters talk about their feelings and he could bring the drama on a daily basis. ALL character based.

Victor going to see Albert Miller, which reran over the summer, was heartbreaking.

They don't know how to tell stories anymore. Kyle wishy washy over Lola and Summer; it ruined him. Phyllis and Nick have ruined so many lives they don't have a leg to stand on.

I adore Jason Thompson, but he's the most miscast actor in years; Mike's death on GH was a little too sad, but Dina's dying off camera is worse.

FFS why even give Dina the alzheimer's she was the last matriarchal figure the show had.

They never should have killed Diane or Hope. And Sharon shouldn't be seeing Adam. He STOLE HER BABY.

[quote]What was truly the last great year on Y&R?

The Lynn Marie Latham years.

Latham = the annus horribilis

When they switched from LML to MAB, I was GONE. I didn't watch again until Mark Grossman joined the show.

I can name many storylines over the last two decades that I've enjoyed, but I think the last time I enjoyed the WHOLE SHOWand every storyline was in the 1997-99 timeframe.

I can watch this 1998 Daytime Emmy montage, and every story still registers. (The only weak element I'm recalling was the unfortunate casting of Shattuck as Ashley.)

CAUTION: I'VE TRIED TO HAVE THE LINK SKIP THE FIRST MINUTE INTRO WITH THE GAWD AWFUL ROSIE O'DONNELL, BUT I"M NOT SURE IF THIS ALWAYS WORKS ON DL.

Apparently, Grimes has now revealed who the bisexual boyfriend is (Brock Powell).

And they're in love.

He's saying the same thing on his IG.

Real estate? On cable tv? There’s more networks than they know what to do with.

Good lord Lezbo Grimes and her bf are perfect for each other. They’re both homely!

I see Nick finally showered and cut his hair.

What is up with Eileen Davidson. Wasn't she thrown off of Yawn and The Rested? The last I had heard is that she wanted backnon Days even though Kristen was recast. ED could play at least 3 other characters she played on the show besides Kristen. It would be fun to see her play against the new Kristen.

I believe ED is back as Ashley this Friday.

In any event, Days is broke and finds their bargain-basement NuKristen satisfactory.

What that drunken old cunt MTS needs is a massive vaginal rejuvenation.

Grimes is just wasted. I like her and think she's better than this.

Grimes has the fat arms and is a lez. She was cute in 2005. In 2020, she should go away. She has the ‘hunky’ boyfriend in real life. Cough cough. You know she’s eating snatch.

I know we ALL know how dumb this soap is but during that argument when Billy was belittling Phyllis and her dating history, why didn't she say "Dude, you slept with my daughter"

R173, indeed. Do they have writers who don’t know the (fairly recent) history, can’t hit a dramatic note when it’s there for the striking, bad character notes, ineffective continuity assistants or what?!

I was amazed they actually had Amanda and Mariah talk to each other about their shared experience of secret dead twin sisters. It was almost like someone was paying some kind of attention.

r170 Dex = the latest iteration of "spicen"?

I dislike and have NO respect for Jamey Giddens because he dragged every Y&R EP and writer on his podcast while stating how HE could make Y&R great. He never got hired for Y&R - thank GOD!! Jamey wrote his own show (kudos for doing it) but Ambitions was a disaster! It had terrible ratings and lost viewers week after week. Jamey should sit his FAT ass down. Good for him for selling his shows ——I’ll never have to see them!

R176

You sure sound pressed about Jamey. Jamey putting for ideas on how to improve YR is no different than any other soap fan. We have all done it. Shit! We have threads here & on Twitter just for that. He just happened to have a wildly listened to podcast.

Jamey’s fat ass failed! His 18 episode Ambitions lost viewers week after week and got cancelled. How the fuck could he write 250 episodes of Y&R without losing their audience??????? Giddens and Y&R is not a good match. SO happy to say that Ambitions failed! Good luck Jamey, just stay the fuck away from Y&R!

The Teardrop of Love? Jeez, this sounds as bad as the hunt for Kay's big ol' diamond ring, The Real Terroni, and The Grugeon Reliquary.

Can someone please tell EB to stop with the repetitious "Billy Boy Abbott"? .. Using it once per episode is more than enough.

On another note, what the hell was Abby wearing? .. Please tell me Mylar® isn't coming back.

Rumor has it that Zack Tinker and Cait are no longer fucking.

[QUOTE] The Grugeon Reliquary.

Was this when Brad was a Jewish superhero and strangled a man to death with his thighs in a cave?

Can somebody tell dumb Dylan and Vee and whiny eeyore Carl to stop hogging up the threads at SON?

R181 That's not a bad way to die.

R182 Dumb Dylan doesn’t know the proper usage of their, there and they’re. Asshole Vee is still whining about something that happened on a cancelled soap 30 years ago. Its time to let it go. Khan is a mess, as always. What a crew over at SON. Pervert Soapsuds still thinks he’ll get a date with Chambo Massey. lololol

R181 Brad's superhero name on soap opera message boards back then was ThighMaster.

Oy vey!

Such rehash. .. Many of Adam's previous misdeeds, including the baby switch with Faith, were previously covered in Billy Abbott's "Restless Style" cover story on Adam TEN YEARS AGO. .. That was also the article that publicly revealed how Adam had manipulated and fucked hot Latin Boy Rafe. .. Now that was juicy!

But who gives a shit if little boy Adam happened to accidentally kill a low-life loan shark who was threatening-attacking his poor blind mother? .. They should give him a medal for being a hero.

R179 Finally someone mentions the complete overuse of 'Billy Boy Abbott.' There's a time and a place for it but now he uses it for every single reference. EB really does play it like he's a villian in a cartoon and this is the name he's invented for his arch nemesis.

If you want to see Lachlan Buchanan's (ex-Kyle Abbott's) partner, Kyle Schuneman on TV, he'll be one of the interior designers appearing in HGTV's pilot show called "Rentervention" premiering today (Friday) on HGTV. My West Cost schedule has it on at noon (opposite of Y&R .. lol!)

The only cute guy in the promo.

Nah, we're good R188

R167 But couldn’t he have shaved?

R188 No thanks. Lachlan was terrible on Y&R. Why would I care or want to see his husband? Pass.

It's impossible to envision Billy Miller and Michael Muhney playing this Billy/Adam storyline. So bad.

Too bad the Jabottom and Slummer road trip didn't happen in the summer. Imagine all the cross-promotional marketing opportunities they missed!

What's up with Hunter King's face? Did she go to Jacqueline MacInnes Wood's doctor?

Bryton ain't sexy or dynamic enough to be the center point of a love triangle.

Maybe someone should clue Little Miss Dolly Parton in on how Adam saved her life. (Noah's too.)

Has homeless Jared been selling tricks to support his drug habit? Male prostitution would be something different. They only hinted at it when teenage Devon went homeless in Chicago and ended up being arrested in a vice raid.

Take a drink every time someone says "Teardrop of Love."

Surprise surprise. EB actually did some acting today. .. Stupid story, but I enjoyed watching Victor call Wimptoria on the carpet.

R194

I noticed something had changed with HHK's face earlier this week.

[quote] it's not gonna happen anyway with Jamey since he's on to bigger things

More shading about La Giddens' size? Tsk tsk

That FAT SLOB Giddens- yup - I’m proud to say it - had better stay away from daytime. He’s a one note writer. Duh - Ambitions FAILED!

Bad porn music alert right at the beginning of Monday's episode.

File under: What the Hell Was That?

[quote]I enjoyed watching Victor call Wimptoria on the carpet.

I was simply grateful—so very fucking grateful—we didn't have to watch Sphincterina wrinkle her nostrils throughout those scenes.

I know, r192. If Michael Muhney and Billy Miller were acting out this drama, I would have been unable to watch.

WEHT the titty toucher? He was allegedly supposed to go on to better things and won oscars!

I told you all years ago that Max Ehrich is koo koo!

R202 I don't think anyone disputes that.

R202

Blind Gossip says Demi dumped Max after finding sexual pics on his phone. The pics were with his boyfriend.

This show is so boring,.

R168 Elieen supposedly asked to be dropped to recurring on Y&R and that she didn't want to go back to Days. One of the reasons is that Days wanted her on contract, another is that the story Ron had didn't really interest her and allegedly Days wouldn't be able to pay anywhere close to what she would make just being on recurring status on Y&R.

r206

I would think Ron would love her back full time but I'm sure it was a money thing. I would assume it was a money thing if Eileen did want to return to DOOL

Has Miss Chrissy LeBlanc commented on the Max situation yet? What about Tracey E Bregman?

Max has already set his sights on his next victim: Shawn Mendes.

Chrissy's too busy playing with his new white wig.

Elena screwing Devon one soap day, and Nate the next. .. Sounds like a "Who's the Daddy?' in the making. ZZZZzzzz

The hair and makeup crew must not have gotten the memo that Sharon has breast cancer.

And wardrobe must be using a beach ball to make Chloe look pregnant. Her OVERLY rounded belly is such a ridiculous shape.

And pay attention. Scenes from these upcoming episodes will obviously be used to create Kate Linder's Daytime Emmy reel.

Also, just a logistical question ... but why isn't Chance CHANCELLOR living at The CHANCELLOR Masoleum? .. It's so stupid seeing the full-time occupants be Esther, Chloe, and Kevin. .. As I recall Jill bought the place back from Billy, so her grandson, Chance, should be there. .. Plus, recall Chloe took Chance's virgin card, and those two were even engaged to be married for awhile. .. Playing some of those past beats between Chloe and Chance could give Kevin a reason to have a fling with the stableboy out in the barn. .. Kay Chancellor would have approved.

I just realized that Chloe is Esther's daughter. I thought Esther's daughter was named after Katherine. What happened to that daughter?

^^ Chloe isn't her birth name. Chloe legally changed it.

Yes, Esther's daughter's birth name was "Katherine Tina Valentine". .. As you say, "Katherine" was for the Old Battleaxe and "Tina" was for the girl's father, "Tiny the Plumber," who opted to not stick around anyway. .. Esther generally referred to her as "Kate."

When Griffith added the character of "Chloe Mitchell" during the 2008 writers strike, I don't think there was a plan that she would be "Kate Valentine." Sources say it was originally mean as a 10 episode gig. And when he and MAB, later decided that they wanted to keep Liz Hendrickson around, they decided to connect her to the canvas by making her Esther's daughter.

As I recall, the explanation was that Kate had deccided to change her name, because she was trying to become an influential fashionista, and she didn't want people knowing that she was some lowly maid's daughter. But why she chose the name "Chloe Mitchell" was never explained. And why she stuck with that name even after everyone found out who she was didn't get covered either.

Keep an eye for Dapper. He's in Palm Springs this weekend.

Y&R was so stupid for destroying that character.

Does anyone have a way to get some pictures of John Driscoll's barefeet?

The Chancellor mansion is my home. I am kicking out the bottom feeders.

John Driscoll would be 10000000% better than the ugly fuck playing Chance now.

Not a fan of Boaz, but this is what the Army does to guys.

r220

I'd still do him in a second

Boaz is average and Driscoll looks 50.

We need a NuNuChance.

I think Boaz is well suited to Abby. At least, I like him more than I like her. Is he still a Trumpkin?

Well-suited, in that Bore-az and Bored-way make for one boring couple.

r224 They can both be in the same boating / flying / traffic accident that takes out Kyle / Summer / Theo / Phyllis / Chelsea. I don't mind Lola. I kind of like her. One of the deepest, most egregious flaws in the writing is that Kyle married her, then dumped her less than a year later FOR SUMMER!

R217 You might find pictures showing Driscoll's feets from when he was repping GL and Y&R at those Soapfest charity get-togethers on Marco Island, since those events were kind of a beach-y things. Here's one from 2010 when he was still hot. .. For a second, there I thought he had six toes .. lol!

Boaz is ugly and too old for the part. How could that mess be the son of both Phillip and the grandson of Phillip Sr, two gorgeous men? They should have gone with someone either unknown, or one of those Hallmark guys. Or the guy who played the slutty bell boy on Days of our Lives.

I wish just for fun, they would have a restaurant or hotel scene with formerr cast members in the background, at tables eating or drinking. As extras. Brendad Ickson with Thom Bierdz. Victoria Rowell and Gina and Danny Romalotti noshing and giggling about something. Nikki’s sister and the cute dude who kept Lauren in a box decades ago, Shawn.

Don Diamont with Epperson and the Ford guy. Shenanigans!

R227 I'd love to see the slutty bell boy from Days on Y&R. Spencer is both hot and smart. I've often thought he'd make a good recast for FenMo.

I've been thinking that Brant Daugherty (slutty Brian from Days) might make a good Chance. I could see him being related to both PC2 and PC3. And yeah, I believe he's just done another project for Hallmark .. lol!

My question to Anthony Morina and Josh Griffith: Why is Y&R so Fucking boring?????

R229 Brant

R231 My favorite Brant moment on DOOL was watching him try to seduce Sonny. .. He seems very adept at unbuckling another man's belt while otherwise occupied with his tongue. .. A talented multi-tasker.

Sharon has breast cancer is the epitome of Griffith and Morina stupidity. Sharon looks GREAT for someone going through chemo and various operations. Jesus god damned christ. Someone please make Y&R great again! !!!!!

LOL I was flipping around the other day and landed on Y& R during a scene with Sharon Case. I thought "dang! she never ages." I would never know what her character was battling cancer if you hadn't told me.

[quote]Someone please make Y&R great again! !!!!!

I'm available.

Jill farren Phelps andChuck Pratt! They knew how to get the numbers.

Can someone explain Sharon Case's popularity to me? If you ask me, her acting stints. The mugging at the camera and the cow eyes when she tries to avert questions about Adam is the stuff of the Bad Acting Hall of fame.

Admittedly the bar is low. Very low. But if you think about the world of Y & R, Case is probably one of the better actors on the show.

What R238 said. Case isn’t that great, but it’s a soap. Who’s a better actor? Not Eric Braeden for sure, and he’s been on the show even longer. Michelle Stafford is fun to watch but hardly a good actress, some of her lines are delivered absolutely appallingly (but like I say, still fun). Bryton James is Ok and probably deserved his Emmy but he only shows up in half his scenes. Joshua Morrow is even worse for mostly phoning it in. Maybe, maybe, Melody TS is better than Case. But it’s not a long list.

Wait until you see me hit the screen!

[quote] Can someone explain Sharon Case's popularity to me?

Case has been with the show 26 years now. There's probably still a contingent of female viewers out there who started watching Y&R when the Nick & Sharon love story was a really big deal back in the mid-90s, so they've kinda been there with "their girl," since the beginning. And if these women were in their late-teens to early-20s back at that time, then they're still part of the older-skewing 25-54W demo that means something to CBS.

It's so tired to see soap acting get trashed all the time. If you put Meryl Streep in a production where you are cranking out scenes with little to no rehearsal and very little direction with complicated dialogue that isn't always natural, she would be no better than Sharon Case. Soap actors deserve some respect.

Case can be good given the right material. Nowadays she’s just blah. It’s really the same shit every day. The fact that she looks her same glamorous self while suffering a life threatening disease is ridiculous.

As the show's "Restless Style" cover story once depicted, Sharon is like Y&R's "Pauline," and she's capable of selling one Peril after another (and look fabulous doing it).

The overrated Little Miss Dolly Parton needs to stop doing those twisty gyratinons with her mouth/lips. And she's still telegraphing her reactions before her scene partners have finished their lines.

If the online bullying is so distressful, send her abroad to a boarding school where they have a No Tolerance policy.

When's the last time we got a good double slap?

At least Alden gave us some good, historically-based cat fights... lol!

Gee. The Grifter from Myanmar is stuck in the elevator for what? .. something like three minutes, and she's already trying to climb up to the ceiling panel, in heels? .. Where was Chlesea planning to go to, if she got up there? .. LOL! .. Elevators in modern high-rise buildings have alarms, and many of them have some kind of communication device. .. Such stupid writing. .. I'll take it, though, if this useless character dies.

So Sharon's big operation was some kind of out-patient procedure? How can she be back home already? .. And where's Noah? He said he'd be there. .. More sloppy writing.

And remind me again, why Billy chooses to live in a hotel suite? .. Anyway, when Adam was searching Billy's room, he should have come across his porn collection. .. I could see some vintage issues of "Latin Inches" to relive his times with Raul Guitierrez in the pool house 20 years ago.

[quote]And remind me again, why Billy chooses to live in a hotel suite?

I don't know if YR has similar budget problems to Days, but Days has characters live in hotels or multiple people living in a mansion to save money on sets.

[quote] ... multiple people living in a mansion to save money on sets.

R248 That's exactly why it would make far more sense for both Billy AND Chance to be living at the Chancellor Estate instead of the hotel. .. As Jill's son and grandson, there's an actual reason for them to be living there, and recall Billy even owned the Mausoleum for awhile, and last lived there with Cane and JT when they were all divorced-separated from their fraus. .. Plus, both Billy and Chance were previously involved with Chloe (one married, the other engaged). They could play up these relationships.

[QUOTE] I don't know if YR has similar budget problems to Days, but Days has characters live in hotels or multiple people living in a mansion to save money on sets.

Have you seen Hope’s “house” lately?? 😂😂

Jack and Jennifer have been living in the DiMera Mansion for months which makes no sense whatsoever. They are purportedly taking care of Abigail’s children there.

Part of the missing set problem at Y&R right now might be be because of the pandemic. i.e. The less sets they use, the less they have to sanitize due to the pandemic, and they might have developed some kind of cleaning routine for the ones they seem to be over-using.

...and less manpower to have to move them.

at one of the shows, the sets are always standing up and they're in rows of three and the sets are small.

that must save a ton of money.

Didn't they haul pregnant Chloe and the beach ball they stuck under her outfit off to the hospital something like two nights ago? .. It was the same night that Nate & Elena had porn sex on the exam table. .. We got a new day after that, and the following night Adam broke into Billy's hotel room. .. Now we we get another new day tomorrow. .. Is the bitch supposed to still be in labor?! LOL!

You might enjoy this video from B&B showing them do a total build of their sets at Stage 31.

R253

Lauren got a call yesterday that Chloe had a baby boy.

I know I'd have rather seen the delivery than another Adam day, Chelsea in the elevator, the Tear drop of Love, etc... JG is a fucking hack.

R255, thanks for that. Sets fascinate me.

I wish the soaps would just get with the program and incorporate COVID into their storylines. It seems even more bizarre and pointless storytelling given the world around us. And it would be safer for everybody.

Au revoir, Bangs!

The End of Dina.

Has the video been yanked?

I remember when ole Dina first showed up. She and Kay used to talk about what a slut Jill was and she unfit to be married to John. Yes, the two OG sluts of Genoa City, Katherine and Dina, had the nerve to be talking about Jill.

r259

try this one

Sad sack Elena is borng. So ya had a roll on the ol' exam table with Nate. Get over it. .. And if they ever had any patients at that damn Free Clinic, then she wouldn't be able to stand around and commiserate about it all day long. That set up is so unreal. The clinic doesn't even have a front office person.

Does this show really need TWO police detectives? They don't even have a police station any longer... lol! .. if anything, they should have left one of them be the private dick who goes rogue (like Paul used to). .. I suppose Rey and Chance will end up publicly dicussing all of their police work right there in the middle of Crimson Lights.

And where did that "baby nightmare" of Abby's spring from in her brain? .. Surely our heiress knows full well she'd have a live-in nanny taking care of baby's needs. .. And Chance is sooooo traditional, yet they're going to try and make a baby before getting married? .. If/when that happens, will Nina and Phillip show up for the event? .. And will they name a boy baby Phillip Chancellor V ??

Don't act too enthused about marrying Rey, Sharon! (Although, I'm sure Case is playing it exactly how the subtext of the script wants her to.)

After Dina dies, what will the three sexagenarian Abbott kids do? Join AARP?

Did Slummer find Grindr on Jabottom’s phone? Is that why she canceled their elopement?

It seems like most of the male characters end up working at the police dept at one time or another. lol. for the mostly invisible Paul. I guess Nicks house set is gone now. Phyllis and him always end up at her hotel suite. The diminished, tacky sets have taken its toll on the show too.

When they recast Chance (not a fan of Boaz) and said the character was opting to leave his government job, they had the perfect opportunity to move our Chancellor HEIR into the corporate arena. Jill should have insisted that PC4 join Billy and Lily at ChanceCom, or do something for her at Chancellor.

Besides Nick's house R264, I think Victoria's house (the so-called 'Father Knows Best' set) is also shuttered or gone. Every time they show her, she's either at NE or staying at The Ranch with the kids. Meanwhile, Billy's living in a hotel room. Probably the same hotel room set that they show Nick/Phyllis and Chance/Abby in, with interiors shifted around.

R263 The wedding got put on hold, because JaBottom showed Summer the 12" King Cock, strap-on device that he wants her to peg him with on their honeymoon. .. While Summer is up for it, she said she'd like to consult with Mariah & Tessa first in order to get a few tips on usage, as she wants their wedding night to be perfect.

The actress who plays Amanda doesn't look well. She now has a loly pop head and dark circles under her eyes.

I think they're doing their own makeup, R267

Oh joy. Another marriage for Sharon.

This show might be half-way entertaining if:

-- Instead of a NYC partygirl named "Jenn," JaBottom had phoned a NYC manslut named "John.". .. We'd then have gotten a momentary flashback of their last drug-fueled encounter where Kyle is seen sniffing poppers, then shouting, "HARDER! .. DEEPER! .. FASTER!"

-- Lily were to have voiced her opinion that Billy's mad obsession with Adam is actually a manifestation of his deep-seated sexual attraction toward his so-called nemesis. .. And rather than fuck-up Adam's life, Billy really just wants to fuck Adam, period. .. Lily advises: "Just go for it, Billy. We all know Adam was with Rafe. He'd probably agree to sleep with you just to get you to stop this stupid vendetta of yours."

-- Amanda's investigation into her and Hilary's parentage and adoption leads to the discovery that there were actually triplets, and it turns out that Amanda also has a brother named "Felix" out there. .. Felix currently lives in Boston, and a couple years ago was making plans to become "Mr. Nate Hastings" -- that is until bisexual Nate broke off their (drunken) engagement with him just picking up and fleeing to Genoa City. .. Can Felix win Nate back with one of his amazing blow jobs and get "Fate" back on track?

-- It turns out that when "The Teardrop of Love" disappeared prior to WW2, the reclusive millionaire's "son" was actually his cute, young rentboy. There was no girlfriend. That was just a cover. .. It turns out the guy is still alive, and when word gets out that the emerald has been found, he shows up at The Abbotts to reclaim what is rightfully his. .. Our nonagenarian has documentation from the original auction house showing provenance as well as photos of it as the crown jewel atop a very special dildo that the millionaire had given him. (He's a cranky eldergay, and DL is going to love this character!)

-- Adam's investigation of Rey leads to the discovery that Rey has regular Grindr hook-ups with 18-year old twinks. And Jared, the kid from the free clinic, has a POV video on his phone of "PapiRey10+" going deep inside him. .. Hmmm .. Looks like we may have a film premiere at Rey & Sharon's wedding ceremony.

I think this thread has been paywalled.

I was a bit disappointed by Dina's big day. I thought they were going to a retrospective, based on the promo. That would have been better.

And Jack, Ashley and Traci fighting over who gets to inherit her walker was just embarrassing with the obvious social distancing.

^^^

I'm sure we'll get flashbacks next week. That's when the memorial occurs.

Is that part of it?

I realize they're working under social distancing restrictions, but the set up of having Dina die right there sitting in the middle of a room with everyone just staring at her only highlighted that external element. Surely, one of the Abbott kids would have gone over and held her hand, if for no other reason than to make sure she didn't fall over or slide out of the chair onto the floor. It may have been a better set up if they'd had Dina in a bed with each of the Abbott kids on one side of it, then done something with stunt actors, camera trickery, and editing to relay more intimacy.

And here Griffith did his retcon to connect Theo to the Abbott via Dina, yet doesn't even have him in this family scene where grandma dies?

As for any retrospective of Marla's old scenes, maybe if they hold a memorial service for Dina, the group will sit around and re-tell some stories. The three kids of course, and Jess Walton would have to be there; they could also have both Victor and Esther tell one. .. And how 'bout a surprise guest like Francois Benard (Marc Mergeron), and about five or six ex-lovers sitting in the back row. .. lol!

I miss her already. Where’s Scoche to console me?

Chrissy has dibs on Dina's bangs.

The Chrissy gray hair was horrible. Shit he needs to go back to the original dye job.

It's a white wig.

it's too bad Dina wasn't given a redemption story.

What if Ashely had killed Graham crackers and blocked it out; and Dina says: "I, Madam Mergeron, killed Graham crackers."

She takes the stand; confesses all; Ashley takes the stand, tries to say she did it.

Michael Baldwin's the d.a.: "Miss Abbott, you were institutionalized in a mental hospital, weren't you?"

Ashley tells Victor the truth and Michael gets him on the stand. Victor: "I refuse to testify against...my wife!"

Cut to Nikki, stunned to learn that Victor and Ashley are still legally married.

For cripes sake GIVE ME A SOAP OPERA.

Bill Bell would have said: Tell Christian to dye his hair black. The audience won't recognize him otherwise.

Bill Bell would have said: Tell Christian to dye his hair black. The audience won't recognize him otherwise.

They should have had fun with Dina's altzheimer's and had her do a bunch of callbacks to her character Belle from Secret Storm. She'd started calling Ashley Amy and vowing revenge for her dead daughter.

[quote] They should have had fun with Dina's altzheimer's

-- Every time Abby walks in the room, Dina asks, "Where the hell is Mamie? .. Can someone feed this girl a cheeseburger?"

-- Every time Traci walks in the room, Dina advises, "I don't know your name, dear, but you should really think about giving your next Double-Double Cheeseburger & Jumbo Fries Combo to that skinny, blonde girl over there."

-- Every time Ashley walks in the room, Dina exclaims, "Ohmygod! .. When did they let YOU out of the nut house!?"

-- Every time Jackie walks in the room, Dina rolls her eyes and announces, "Dear God, John .. If you can't bring yourself to butch it up a bit, I'm leaving you!"

-- Every time Theo walks in the room, Dina smiles, "Hey there, Stud! .. Why don't you come over here and sit on my lap!"

-- Every time JaBottom walks in the room, Dina asks, "What's Brysen from Sean Cody doing here? .. Is it movie night again?"

I thought Chrissy let his hair go white during the pandemic. Anyway it ages him like 10 years and needs to go back to black.

R285 during the lockdown I meant

How the holy hell is trailer park escapee Slummer the head of marketing for Jabot??? At least Lauren has actual experience running a business.

R285 He used to dye the hair on the sides of his head black in order to match the hairpiece he wore on top. .. During lockdown - as with other times when he was off the show - he let the sides of his head go natural gray-white. He's simply matched the new piece on top to that.

R282 I think it was about 8-10 years ago now that he came back from a vacation and hadn't dyed the sides while he was gone. .. They were very salt and pepperish - more salt than pepper - so the change was quite noticeable to viewers. .. He tried to get away with it for a few episodes, but then lamented on social media that he'd been told by TPTB to go back to dying it. .. Also, there was another time when he used that "Red Rum" tint that Maxim Hair Dye for Men had come out with, and it looked absolutely horrible. I think that lasted about a week or two before he stopped.

Welp. AH is a Trumper.

The way they keep going on and on about what went down in Vegas, makes it sound like Chance and Adam must have shot a video for Corbin Fisher while they were there.

Would that be scandalous enough?

I'm beginning to see Carol Channing.

yay!

Will Phillip show up as well?

Are they going to recast that old man who plays her son?

I guess they're trying to remind us that Chance is supposed to be older than Nick .. lol!

R293 I'll tune in to see that. I haven't watched in over a month. It just got too boring. Have I missed anything good?

No.

Phyllis' lifelong ambition to own a hotel is in jeopardy. Elena had a nervous breakdown over sleeping with Nate; Nate betrayed his pal Devon and I'm sure he has no idea why; the writers don't.

Summer doesn't think that Kyle, who divorced Lola to be with her really loves her; Summer thinks Kyle loves Lola. Summer wanted to keep a low profile so she checked into her mother's hotel.

Adam is changing his name to Adam Wilson so no one will know he's a bad boy anymore. Adam looks like he's 12.

Slummer's fantasy scenes of seeing Jabottom with Bore-la were some of the best things this show has done. They were almost camp, which certainly elevated it above most of the dreck on this show.

Dummer's fantasy scenes should have included an image of Lola pegging JaBottom with one of her cucumbers. That's about all I can imagine when it comes to this Kyle and a female.

Most days I watch out of habit. I've been watching on and off since the mid-80's. The times I've forgotten to record it, I didn't miss it.

Sounds like the Theo actor is leaving according to Twitter.

I wonder what happened; they went out of their way to make him Dina's grandson

He'd be perfect with Sally Spectra

These shows have to pay for additional covid related protocols to continue filming, so I bet more than a few actors are about to get the cut.

Sally is for Jack.

r305

she could be his grand daughter(or even great)

SACK sounds downright embarrassing.

And I agree with R303. I think Sally with Theo would have potential. I actually find Theo more interesting than either JaBottom or Chance.

is this the current thread?

Yes it is

kinda dead huh? Are they really going to kill Chance?

Unlikely. He’s a legacy character, so I don’t think they’ll go there. Tricia Cast is coming back for a few episodes as his mother. Should be any day now. Guy who plays Theo has been fired though.

They should give Chance a head transplant.

Chance feels like an orphaned character.

None of the main characters that he's related to are on the show right now -- Nina, Phillip III, Ronan.

Hell, his grandmother Jill hasn't been on in months. And even the few times she has been on in the past year since Chance debuted, Jill hasn't had much interaction with him. Jill has had more scenes with Devon than with Chance.

The one character currently in town who he is related to is his uncle, Billy. Yet, Billy and Chance rarely have any scenes together and when they do, they interact more like passing acquaintances than uncle and nephew.

With Walton living in Oregon, I don't expect to see much of Jill during the era of COVID. She's 71. Why risk her health flying on an airliner for this stupid show?

Any idea how they’re writing Theo off? The actor even deleted his Twitter.

I barely pay attention to this show, but how did Chelsea get out of that room and why is she not with the police?

R315 He prefers IG. This from yesterday.

(Chrissy's beginning to look like Bill Hayes.)

Allowing his hair to go grey has aged the Michael character by 20 years. He now comes across as a senior citizen and Lauren now looks like his trophy wife.

At least the top piece is much better than first one he had a few months ago.

Christian LeBlanc always had a pretty good coloring job. His hair didn't scream DYE JOB.

Whereas Drake Hogestyn's hair always looked like a it was dyed. Drake apparently didn't use as good a colorist as LeBlanc. Or maybe its just that dyed black hair is so much more obvious than dyed brown hair.

Nonetheless, Drake looks fantastic with his hair gray. I cannot say the same for LeBlanc.

Yeah, but remember, was it about a year and half ago (?) when Chrissy got a wig that looked absolutely horrible. It looked even worse under the studio lights. and became a topic of discussion on the message boards.

R320, I think the diff is that with Drake, it's his actual hair and with CLB, it's not.

They should let Chrissy wear his blue wig. I believe that's his favorite; plus he has a matching skirt.

MAGA Chance got the Covid

Did Scoche get COVID?

I hope so, R325.

According to SOD, no one was allowed to attend the funeral due to COVID, with her ashes being divided among the three ex-husbands with whom she was still on good terms.

Whose ashes?

Lucky Chrissy getting to munch with Marco.

God, I wish they'd bring Carmine back.

I liked the idea of Carmine seducing Lauren and then messing with a questioning Fenmore much like Josh Lucas did to that kid in The Deep End.

Soaps don't take chances any more.

R330: That Carmine was one good-looking man.

R331 I agree, but wouldn't use past tense.

The artist likes to paint in his pink shorts.

He really is sex on a stick.

Who's his girlfriend?

R333 I haven't seen a steady one.

I'd like to know if he swings both ways. He seems to hang with a lot of gay guys.

When he visited Adam Perry in NY last year, one couldn't help imagine what that would look like .. lol!

Is Mariah deadweight?

R335 She's what's called a talk-to.

Talk to Sharon .. talk to Faith .. talk to Rey .. talk to Theo .. talk to Lola .. talk to Snowflake .. talk to JaBottom .. talk to her invisible gal pal.

At this point, she's totally unnecessary, but the character checks a box on the CBS diversity report.

Why the fuck did they replay a rerun that they had already shown a few months ago?

Is this the main thread?

R337 yes it’s the main thread. Im baffled why they would play that episode too again. They have a million holiday themed episodes to air.

R337 My guess would be because they are too cheap and don't want to pay to have a different old and classic episode re-formatted to for current television broadcast standards.

Why was Traci not at the Abbot Thanksgiving, but Slummer was?

^ self-defence.

It would be awesome if Adam sold Chelsea into white slavery.

R342 nobody wants to buy used goods.

Someone should just knock on useless Chelsea's door one day and shoot her dead as revenge for some con job she pulled in the past.

Remember that woman from California whom Hilary had on GC Buzz who explained how Chelsea and her one-time grifting partner, Jordan Wilde, would con women out of their savings? She wasn't the only one, it was a regular thing.

I still baffled as to why MCE was even brought back. Chelsea is the worst. And MCE has zero chemistry with MG.

R345 That move baffled me as well. But much of what JG does baffles me.

Chelsea is one character who could easily have been jettisoned off-screen, thereby making Adam a single father in need of a hot, live-in manny, who also becomes his massage therapist and confidant.

Abby’s real-life husband is hot but a rather wooden actor.

He was pretty terrible as Ben on DOOL too.

Yeah, Gaston's only saving grace is that he's much easier to look at than dull Boaz.

Regardless of which actor is in the role, after Abby & Chance marry, they should have them go on a honeymoon and just not return.

No one would miss this anemic coupling.

I love Tricia Cast. She is never stale as Nina and she was so lovely today in the scene where “Chance” asks her to be his “Best Mom.”

OH DEAR

Wow, Abby had one of the most hideous wedding dresses in TV history. Nina looks like the frauiest frau now. And where the hell were Kevin and Chloe? They live in that house.

[quote] Wow, Abby had one of the most hideous wedding dresses in TV history

The Statue of Liberty called. She wants her dress back.

So I guess they threw caution to the wind and dispensed with social distancing for the wedding episode?

Everyone was up close and personal.

Christian admittedly looks amazing for 62, but that picture for a man his age is embarrassing.

R355 that sums it up.

I think he'd look better with shorter darker hair; he looks like a gay porno version of the White Haired man in the first season of REVENGE

Yes, he looks great for his age, albeit there is some photographic light and shadows work going on (not to mention the new hair purchase).

The eye-rolling thing about the pic is the rolled-up T-shirt over the neck. It's like a porn pose for a twunk ca. 1975.

Funny how Thom Bierdz lives in Southern California, but they write it that "Phillip" has appendicitis, so he can't come from Australia for the wedding... lol!

But you'd think both Christine and Paul would have been there. They're not only Nina's BFFs, plus they've known "Chance" since he was "Little Phillip."

They must not have much of a budget. Having Jill and Nina there must've broke the bank.

Feeding Beth Maitland broke the bank. Oh, and WTF with Ashley in a black dress at her daughter's wedding? LOL It was bad enough they couldn't even rent Abby a real wedding dress.

R359: How does the mother of the bride, look better than the bride??

Of course JaBottom would want to watch "The Awful Truth" featuring Cary Grant.

Kyle's zig-zagged so much between Lola and Summer and the one he feels the most passion for is Theo.

They should just make him gay and have him come out.

After seeing shirtless NuChance, Jabottom needs to spend more time in the gym to preserve his "hunk" status.

NuChance looks more like he would be Philip Chancellor’s son. I like him better than Mr. Texas Smiley.

Yikes! An ill advised pose Christian.

R359 Ashley wasn’t wearing black.

Then what color was it?

R367 Bergman is wearing black. Eileens dress looks dark gray.

Eileen was wearing slate, dears.

So true, R364

Young Donnelly, Young Thom, and Justin.

Spot on

R371, that was absolutely hysterical. Can you provide the link?

R372 The Twitter handle is @MattHanvey

Another one.

r374

those are actually funny

It's kinda odd how they're all wearing a different kind of mask when the cameras aren't rolling.

I guess that means it's "bring your own."

R374 is hilarious. Thank you.

R374 omg funny. You have to know a lot of YR history to fully grasp, but since I’ve been watching over 30 years it was hysterical.

NuChance looks like a skunk to me. I can't.... I prefer Boaz.

Boaz was better looking when he was younger, but isn't aging well (imho). The droopy lids and bags under his eyes are getting harder to cover. He's pretty average.

He does have nice hair, though. I wonder if that copper-y sheen he has is natural or compliments of a good colorist? From the neck up, that's about it.

I think Boaz definitely looks like he is related to Tricia Cast(especially in that pic in r381)

Apparently I'm in the minority here, but I like new guy playing Chance much better.

He stepped in seamlessly during the middle of big storyline where his character is at the center. Not all subs can pull that off, but Justin Gaston did. Bravo to him.

I say keep Justin and ax Donny Boaz. I have never warmed to Boaz even after a year.

Then put Boaz on hiatus for a few more months and bring him back as NuRonan.

PC4 should favor PC2 and PC3.

R383 No, I don't think you're not in the minority.

Go to other message boards and people are liking Justin quite a bit. I know I am.

And like you, after a year, Boaz has failed to impress, or at least is miscast.

Justin definitely looks like the Phillips and I like the idea of Boaz being NuRonan but then I would want Nina in GC fulltime(I already do though!)

R396 Well, that would be part of it. .. But based on her home base, I don't think Tricia Cast wants to be full-time, regular. .. Yet, I could see her returning for a three-month arc to accomplish the transition to Boaz as NuRonan, with her playing referee between her two sons.

I might suggest they play up something between Ronan and his ex-gf, Chloe. .. And when this causes another break-up for Chloe and Kevin, we could have NuPhillip visiting from Oz, who could then *comfort* poor Kevvie, allowing him to explore his bi-side.

Another angle would be to have NuRonan return to Genoa City wih his foster son, "Jamie Vernon." .. Recast NuJamie with a hot blond jock. .. Recall, Jamie should be in the Summer-FenMo generation.

I heard Jaime Lee Bauer is coming back as Lorie Brooks after Theo is killed. She vows revenge on the Abbotts and will probably fall for Jack.

Lorie is the one Brooks daughter who isn't actually bio-related to Theo.

Theo's death would only be interesting, if Genoa City CSI were to find a rather long cum trail leading from his dead body to JaBottom's gym locker over at the Athletic Club -- with a subsequent search resulting in a used jockstrap being taken into evidence for DNA analysis.

wouldn't it be great to see Nina rip into whoever shot her son?

Victoria is the shooter.

I adore Tricia Cast, but damn, she did not look good on this visit. Somehow her hairstyle was not flattering to her and she seems to have put on a little more weight.

When of the best moments EVER was watching Nina rip into Syphyllis over her affair with Ronan and SLAP the bitch into next week.

Sadly another video removed from youtube. I still have it in my own collection, so might try to make a gif of it sometime.

they just need to give Cast some material and she'll play the hell out of it.

it's too bad Abby's a nice girl with money; imagine Nina dealing with some tart going after her son?

Nina mentioned why Phillip wasn't at the wedding, as well as why Ronan didn't make it, but she didn't mention Grandma Flo.

why wasn't Ronan there?

Nina said Ronan was on the other side of the world and didn't get enough advance notice to get back in time.

As someone mentioned on the B&B thread, that scene where Lauren was included in the meet-up with Nina came off TOTALLY FORCED. Just plain AWKWARD.

If anyone, it should have been Paul who joined Christine and Nina.

Hilarious to think now how Lauren is somehow Chance's Great Aunt, via Grandma Jill. RME.

I can’t remember any scenes involving Lauren and Nina when Tricia was on the show during the 80s and 90s. Maybe there were a couple Danny Romalotti related I dunno. Yeah I thought it was silly shoehorning Tracey in that scene when Christine and Nina would’ve been just fine.

[quote] I can’t remember any scenes involving Lauren and Nina when Tricia was on the show during the 80s and 90s.

It's funny, you mentioned that. Because I associate Lauren, Nina, and Cricket so much with that time period I just assumed they would've shared some major scenes. But, I think you are correct that they didn't.

One of those classic episodes they showed during quarantine had an episode where Cricket and Lauren were interacting (it was like 1984/85). However, I don’t ever recall Nina and Lauren having had a single conversation.

When Lauren was married to Scott, she and Cricket were sisters-in-law, but even that relationship was rarely played.

But Nina and Lauren? .. It's like they were both at the Masquerade Ball .. lol!

Gaston's improving daily. I found him very watchable during today's honeymoon scenes. And that's not just because he was only wearing a pair of boxer briefs.

God! The bad acting during the Aunt Jack vs. Theo showdown over Dina's will was stupendous. More of this please! Seems like they are setting Chelsea up to croak. yay! Why do so many meetings seem to happen at Crimson Lights? And who is this Sally creature? We already have a troublesome redhead on the show, which is plenty.

Little Miss Dolly Parton seems a little too obsessed with Evil Adam.

Could Faith's drunk ass have been the shooter who took aim at Adam, clipping Chance instead?

Killer kids on soaps.

Was Dolly depicted as being flat chested when LDP played her on tv?

[quote] And like you, after a year, Boaz has failed to impress, or at least is miscast.

And some fans are also not thrilled with his Trumpyness.

R405 as far as Crimson Lights, the sets have been reduced for budget reasons. And Sally was on Bold and the Beautiful as Sally Spectras great niece. Even though Conley died a long time ago, they’re keeping her alive on a desert island with cabana boys for some inexplicable reason.

[quote] Even though Conley died a long time ago, they’re keeping her alive on a desert island with cabana boys for some inexplicable reason.

I thought that was a cute idea at first, but at this point, Sally should have been put to rest - especially before Flannery left.

Darlene Conley would be 86 if she was still living.

R410 I agree. I liked the idea, at first, now it should be retired.

real Mamie RIP

REAL Mamie!

RIP.

Not unfriendly giant Mamie.

Has Brendad Ickson commented? They would have worked together around the time she won herBest Villainess award.

Now that Chance is back in The Chancellor Mausoleum where he belongs, the next step is to get him out of the dull police station. The cop-detective work doesn't fit with the character.

Jill should offer him something related to cyber-security or IT at Chancellor, and slowly increase his responsibilities to include more business-finance.

Because Y&R is so fascinating when it tells business stories? I know that's why I watch.

R418 Y&R's business stories WERE fascinating in the 1980s and 90s. I loved the stories about Chancellor, Newman, and Jabot.

Bill Bell was able to do business stories better than any other daytime soap writer. Too bad subsequent Y&R writers have failed at business plots so badly.

Is it some sort of lost soap writing art? Because I remember loving the business stories on Y&R, AMC, OLTL, GH, and ATWT. Now when Y&R or GH even tries to do them, they SUCK.

Well, the Jack Abbott-Victor Newman rivalry and one upping the other was still somewhat fresh in the 80s and 90s. That made the business stories intriguing.

Their rivalry has been stale for about 20 years now and consequently the business stories are dull.

Well, we now have the riveting storyline of Vic-Snoria taking the Grand Phoenix away from Phyllis. Compelling!!!

In the 80s, yes, but they were always about human beings cast against the business story, Jabot was as good as a character and Newman Enterprises was basically the lair from which Victor plotted his attacks against Jack Abbott via Jabot. You never knew what Newman did exactly except that whenever they needed it to do anything they just added it on, which was where the credibility of the business angle started to erode. Like all things, the writers got lazy and less talented. Bell understood pacing (some would argue he understood it too well given a night at the Colonnade Room could four three or four months.) His stories were usually pretty tight (unless they weren't... and when they fell apart they were spectacular crashes... either rushed endings that didn't make a lot of sense (Marge 1) or just giving up on stories or characters (Patty Williams went upstairs and was never heard from again for a decade or so - and she wasn't the only one.)

The business stories were all because of Dallas and Dynasty - so was the return of Madame Mergeron, for example. Daytime always copies prime time. Prior to the 80s, people owned nondescript businesses for the purpose of explaining their wealth - Chancellor Industries was once just the factory, Prentiss Industires, Stuart Brooks owned and published the newspaper. But the stories were mostly about lawyers and doctors and writers too and their lives, not their work, as soaps were in the beginning. The trouble was when the story telling trends moved on, Y&R stayed mired in dull and repetitive business stories that weren't very interesting or weren't very new. How many times can Victor take over Jabot? How many times can the Abbotts get it back? Zzzzzzz.....

ftr, -- I wasn't making a case for business stories per se, just the idea that Chance as a detective-cop isn't how I picture this character. So yes, R424's thought that such stories in the past "were always about human beings cast against the business story" is something I would agree with. ... To me, the other characters that our Chancellor Heir should be mixing it up with are over in the corporate realm, as opposed to the crime solving one, and doing police work with Rey and Kevin and occasionally Paul on the patio of Crimson Lights just isn't how I imagine him. Now, maybe if this were The Edge of Night and the crime stories were actually prominent and outstanding ....

One thing about Bill Bell and his business stories, is that he had retained his Chicago attorney buddy, Sherman Magidson, to work as a consultant for both criminal court and corporate-civil law stories. Sherman had a production credit on Y&R for years and years. This relationship continued while Alden and Smith were HW. And we know what happened after that.

a great 'business' story isn't really about business at all but rather feelings and relationships and how they're played out against a backdrop of business.

Jack taking Jabot public, allowing Victor to buy it, upped the rivalry between the two men. Jack was determined to win back the company to please his father was the story. Jack plotting to marry Nikki and use her as a bargaining chip to get Jabot back from Victor -- only to fall in love with her for real -- was the story. The business was the backdrop.

Brooke taking control of Forrester in exchange for the BeLieF patent (perhaps one of the best umbrella stories ever on that show) was the back drop to Brooke asserting herself and gaining not only independence from but dominance over the Forresters. Ridge passed her over for Taylor; Stephanie abused her physically and emotionally for years. Brooke taking Forrester may have been about business but watching her fight back against the Forresters, specifically Stephanie, was the real story.

Going way back here on GH -- but Rick Webber operating on Laura after her car accident (after the assigned surgeon got injured when a nurse accidentally stuck him with a scalpel) wasn't a 'medical story' -- it was a story about reuniting Rick and Lesley.

Is Jeff/Ronan a gay?

I've had two boyfriends who looked just like him, so I think he is a geneti-gay.

One of the last business stories I really enjoyed on Y&R was when usual adversaries, Jack and Brad, decided to work together to take-over NE while Victor was MIA in New Mexico. .. It had all the major business players involved (Jack, Brad, Ashley, Bitchtoria, Neil, Jill) and centered on the vote of Dianejenkins, whom co-conspirator, Michael LaBaldwin, had recently won a NE board seat for during Diane's contentious divorce from Victor.

The “Restless Style” storyline was so bad. Remember when Kath Perry stopped by?

*Katy^^

R428, sadly, no. Branson has a kid with a woman; not sure if they got married. Would love him to be gay; he's masculine, quiet, talented...sigh...dreamy.

Restless Style was moronic for several reasons. First off, Sharon and Phyllis working side by side and no mention of their conflict over Nick. There's no way Sharon would go out shopping with Nick's new wife or fling.

Plus, they had no experience in magazines. Plus, what was Restless Style? A national magazine? or did it just cover Genoa City? I could never tell.

Well into the run of this storyline, Jack brings in this consultant, a solid character actress who played a magazine editor; and she points out everything that they were doing wrong. The woman was a friend of Stafford's I believe. They should have had someone like her on from the beginning. Jack and Nick had too much business background to go into something blind like that.

Sigh. I recall on ATWT dueling newspapers; we'd see the Argus and Brian had Jillian working with him and the show could afford extras and under 5's. And Lucinda had the City Times, mostly off screen, but I swear Marlow (the editor) was a regular fixture. And the legion of people Lucinda had working for her: Ambrose, Jane (whose last name I swear was 'Get In Here'), Matthews and other butlers. Fenwick...soaps used to be more believable because there was more money.

[quote]Jack and Nick had too much business background to go into something blind like that.

But that's the thing... they kept doing moronic things in the context of these "great business stories."TM.

I used to watch Y&R and Guiding Light. Guiding Light rarely insulted my intelligence. Y&R asked a lot of any viewers with any semblance of a brain.

God, I hope there's not a typo in this post.

When did Y&R go south for you? For me the early 90s when it drifted away from the Abbotts toward the Sheila era.

Sexy gay Pete's cheesy gay Christmas movie this evening!

Along with Brooke taking Forrester using BeLieF as leverage, one of my favorite stories with a business backdrop was Phillip taking Spaulding from Alan.

Because it wasn't about business at all, but instead Phillip wanting to hurt his father so he could never hurt him or anyone else again.

Amazing that GL didn't do well at the Emmys that year with Aleksander as Lead and Bernau and McKinsey in Suppporting.

this is the GL storyline; so damn good.

Get your Guiding Light shit out of here, please.

If Nate's so worried about not being able to perform high-end surgery, then why has he been slumming as a GP in a downtown free clinic? .. As long as he has working middle finger. he can still do digital rectal exams..

LaBaldwin's new white wig looked far less convincing today, especially from the side.

The Chancellor Mausoleum Christmas decorations were nice,. Too bad droopy Boazz is back.

Silly to think that Jill's taking care of Phillip down in Oz, but when Chance is skyping with Grandma, "Dad" doesn't even pop in to say, "G'Day".

Geez - They're actually referring to Abby as "Abby Newman Abbott Chancellor" in the end credits. .. It almost runs off the screen.

So that's it? A dayplayer is the shooter, and Billy is free? Another Josh Griffith Snoozefest.

They should have made Victoria the shooter. THAT could have been somewhat interesting.

Did they kill off Theo - or just send him out of town?

He takes after me so who knows?

Wanna fuck?

I would have sworn it was Victoria; she kept saying: "I KNOW Billy is innocent....I KNOW he is."

A little one the nose.

R442 Theo took Jack's offer for ownership of Dina's boutiques in Paris and left town to go run them.

Donny Boaz being back in the role today just emphasized how much better Justin Gaston was playing Chance.

R445, thanks; how anti-climatic

Drunk Faith should’ve been the shooter.

Is Faith still drunk? Or was that just a 2-week story?

And what's up with Sharon's cancer?

R449 Two months ago, Sharon called her family together to announce that her doctor has told her that her "margins were clear," so there would be no more treatments required, just routine exams to make sure Sharon remains all clear. .. And next week's preview shows Faith's bad influence girlfriend trying to get her to steal a bottle of vodka at Society. So I guess we'll see, if Little Miss Dolly Parton will resist or not.

Its amazing that you all watch this show at all

My god- Its everything Y&R never was supposed to be.

Bright lighting. Bad writing. Just cheap.

I miss this show. They could have mined the show and decided to go OLD SCHOOL- old musical cues, the moody lighting, elegant sets- It could have been the "retro soap" and I feel it could catch on, if marketed as such.

These threads are depressing.

[quote] Its amazing that you all watch this show at all

Aren't the majority of viewers simply hate-watching now?

ohhhh I hope we can look forward to a Faith crime spree hitting Genoa City!!!!

Clearly. It sounds horrible R452. I have not watched since 2009 or so...

I read this shit and see articles- just from the pictures, the show looks like SHIT- cheap as fuck.....

This show was the last show that had that "consistency"- I read this stuff since JFP, and its so sad.

This show could have stood out and grew viewers by being RETRO and OLD SCHOOL- instead, it devolved into garbage.

I watched as a very young kid from 1988-1994 and then from 1998-2009-

Grew to love the show even more from watching YouTube clips before my time...

Yeah, the dialogue was from a 50's potboiler, and yeah- the acting was wooden. But the show was CLASS. The lighting, the sets, the seriousness of it. It was excellent in its own classy and trite way.

So sad to read this shit.

R454, you nailed Y&R.

Schemering said it was old-fashioned and played by its own rules; the show was a beach novel ...

I think GH is the best show right now.

Bill Bell must be spinning in his grave considering how the show has devolved. Everyone connected to it is just on auto pilot now. What was the point of having Billy in jail like two days? Unless they’re going to surprise us with another shooter (Faith or Victoria would’ve been great candidates), I’m so over this show.

R456. I agree.

For starters, this day player shooter; she's a perfectly fine actress, but she's not soap.

And nobody cares about her. Nobody cares that she shot Chance while trying to shoot Adam.

I don't get all the flack for Billy or this girl. (I can't think of her name.)

Adam ran over Delia and killed; Billy's going to carry that forever. Adam killed this girl's father, yes, defending his mom so THAT was self-defense, but this girl doesn't have to like Adam the rest of her life either.

When you pick the most obvious, least expandable character to be the shooter, you're either boring your audience to tears OR you have a backup plan.

I can't believe Josh has a backup plan.

The show is dull. There is no long term.

If you watch any old soap from the 1980s, say an episode from February, you can see a great head writer laying foundation for what will play out the rest of the year.

35 (!) years and a few days from now ago, Doug Marland's ATWT aired. Lucinda opens her gift from Lily -- a charm that said "Number 1 Mom" and Lucinda got teary-eyed; The audience didn't know what Hubbard was playing -- Lily was adopted and she had another mother out there.

We learned who that mother was around Easter.

Also in that episode, Kim received another anonymous gift from her stalker; Craig and Sierra were happy and engaged, but the threat of John Dixon telling Sierra Lucinda was her mom was hovering.

These and other stories were played out over the coming months; the show was multigenerational. Nancy had plans to model for Oleg Cassini! There were secrets, there was humor, ad-libs, plotting, pacing and Christmas Carols!

R455 I agree about GH. Sometimes I hate the mob focus but at least there are stories with beginnings, middles, and endings. And, they have some respect for history, like how a major story right now is involving people not seen on screen since the 1970s.

Rumor has it it's the SAME freaking actress playing Florence Grey (or is it Gray?)

unbelievable if that's true.

but Y&R can't go out and find Signy Coleman to get Hope.

And GL just had to have Brian Gaskill take over as Dylan

EESH

R459 I wondered about the actress, so far she's been uncredited but it would be awesome if true. The actress Anne Collings is the widow of actor/director Lawrence Dobkin the man who said the famous line "There are eight million stories in the naked city, and this has been one of them," before the closing credits of The Naked City tv show.

I so wish Denise Alexander would make an appearance; she popped up last year in the Gail tribute episode.

Leslie Charleson said she signed off on Lesley Webber calling Monica a slut even tho the script had the word 'harlot' or something else.

In the Gail tribute episode, that is.

[quote] but Y&R can't go out and find Signy Coleman to get Hope.

Why would they do that? Hope died well over a decade ago.

And if you're referring to those snippets of manufactured flashbacks of the character they aired earlier this year, there's no way Signy Colemen could pull off looking like a fresh-faced 30ish farm mom to a Young Victor Junior. That freaky cosmetic surgery Coleman had done simply highlights that she's trying to look younger than she is, and would be so NOT Hope. .. I'm sure it would detract from any scene she was in, and become the topic of conversation -- not unlike when they brought back Roberta Leighton (Casey Reed) and those big ol' lips of she had.

R463, I used Coleman and Gaskill of examples of times in the past when shows would casually replace a familiar face with someone else. I forgot Hope was on in flashbacks recently. I meant the time Beth Toussaint stepped in.

One thing I give Maria Bell credit for was when she had Kay's (actually, Marge's) funeral in 2008 she invited back a whole slew of folks including Marla Adams, Julianna McCarthy, Tricia Cast. Beau Kayser (Sp?); conversely, when John Abbott died a few years prior, no Mamie (she was on a cruise!) and no Dina (in Europe!) though Jack's treatment of Gloria was compelling and cruel.

You don't NEED to have familiar faces from the past, but it sure helps. Soaps are about towns and communities that we're supposed to believe actually exist.

About 5 years ago, maybe more, on GH, Monica came home and mentioned to someone she'd been playing bridge with Audrey, Lesley, and Gail; of course, we didn't see those three women, but it was nice to know they were out there, living in PC, playing cards, chatting about Steve, Rick (hopefully), Lee and Alan.

R464 As I recall, Coleman started taping that brief 2006 stint, but had to exit due to an emergency. So in that respect, it's not like Y&R was "casually replacing" Coleman; instead, Toussaint was brought in more like a pinch-hitter.

that rings a bell (no pun intended) but in general, new showrunners don't care about what came before them.

Hope never should have been killed off.

She humanized Adam; though Adam bares no resemblance to the character Chris Engen played of the one Michael Muhney played or the one Justin Hartley played.

Another one on Y&R a while back was the character of April; Cynthia Elibacher? (maybe they couldnt' spell her last name; I can't) wasn't around so the show got Rebecca Staub. I think Latham had her on PC as Alison's mom.

the worst example of a producer bringing on a pal from another show right now is Jason Thompson; either Pratt or Jill brought him over; I adored him as loving dad Patrick on GH, but he has no focus on Y&R; they write Billy as a fuck up and Thompson doesn't play that for me.

R466 I think Thompson does his best with the weak material they give him. He even managed to wrangle an Emmy out of it this year. I’ve gotten used to him in the role. I really don’t know what the 021 plans are for this show. There is absolutely nothing compelling or interesting about it now. Sharon getting married for the 213th time and Sally Spectras devious side isn’t going to keep people watching.

It's taken a long time, but I've gotten used to Thompson in the role as well, R467, and one of the few things I like right now is the chemistry between him and Christel Khalil (Lily). .. And at least when Thompson was brought on, it was to play an existing, core family character.

The two examples I'd offer up where EP's hired pals are LML creating "Cane Ashby" for Daniel Goddard, and JFP creating "Dylan McAvoy" for Steve Burton. In both cases, horrible retcons were manufactured to connect them to veterans. .. It took 13 long years to get rid of Goddard. At least Burton exited when his benefactor did. .. JFP and Griffith also "gifted us" with Hunter King, Melissa Ordway, and Robert Adamson from their "Hollywood Heights" telenovela, which was their previous project right before coming to Y&R. It seems like we're stuck with the first two.

I prefer Thompson in the role. He's handsome. Billy Miller turned the part into a significant character, I give him that, and his work on the Delia death was terrific, but most of the time the mugging and grimacing and general twitching rivalled Michelle Stafford for most annoying stage presence.

Agree about producer pals... usually useless.

What the fuckity fuck did they have Sally wearing yesterday? After a grueling day at Fenmore's was she heading to The Cheetah for her night job?

I like Jason Thompson a lot more than Billy Miller. Jason looks very much as if he could be related to Jess Walton. And it's possible to take him as something other than a clown. Billy Miller's Billy always reminded me of the DLers who post "fart" and "shit" threads. I took him as seriously as I take them.

One thing the Thompson recast conjures up for me is that Billy is set apart from his blonde siblings, who must've gotten their fair locks from Dina. .. Whereas Billy favors the dark-haired John -- especially if you now imagine Daddy in his Hot Young John days.

I prefer Kim Zimmer as NuTraci.

Zimmer IN as NuJoann Curtis.

They'll be doing a May-December romance with Mariah & Joann.

#joariah

Bring back Dena Higley!

Bring back Dina Whatsmyname?

R475 is Sony's Steve Kent who doesn't know which soap he's not actually watching.

The soap press seems hell bent on William Devry to be brought on Y&R as a recast Matt Miller, Victor's Brother, now that he's been let go from GH.

R478 Fifty-two year old DeVry is far too young to be Matt.

The story we heard a million times is that 7-year old Christian was sent to the orphanage, because Poor Cora couldn't take care of both him and her new baby, Matt; so The Miller Brothers are supposed to be about 7 years apart.

Braeden looks his 79-years now. Bobby Parucha is 65. When Parucha was cast, their 14-year age difference was a stretch, but they were still trying to make Victor seem younger than EB actually was.

With DeVry that age difference would be 27 years. That would not only look ridiculous, but make the back story farcical.

R479 When has such things bothered them. I'm 37 and can remember Nick being born in 1988, but now he is around ten years older than me.

Well, speaking of Nick, it would be a pretty hard sell for DeVry to be Matt when he looks just a few years older than both Victoria and Nick.

WDV played 44 year old Kelly Monaco’s father on GH. They looked absolutely ridiculous. I don’t think age matters.

[quote] The soap press seems hell bent on William Devry to be brought on Y&R as a recast Matt Miller ...

You mean one blogger over at soaps.sheknows who has a hard-on for DeVry.

Did Slummer reveal to Phyllis that her special gift to Jabottom was a vibrating dildo?

JaBottom already has so many in his vast collection. Is there something special about the one she got him?

Otherwise, she should have splurged a bit and bought him that fuck machine he's been eyeing.

R478, please don't lump the rest of us in with the gang from soaps dot we don't know...ITA deVry is way too young to play Matt Miller; if they're going to bring him back, then make it Robert Parucha, who'd be age appropriate to share screen time with Nikki and Ashley.

I can see Ron Carlivati coming up with a part for WDV. it'd piss Frank off; WDV must have done something bad to make sure that Julian was dead let's show the body dead.

r486

I think he would be a good Mike Horton

He would be a great Mike Horton, a character they should bring back.

I loved Roark Critchlow back in the day - he was sexy.

R487 That's a much better idea. .. Then, they could bring back Will with a NuSonny, and "Uncle Mike" could provide comfort to his nephew's husband when Will screws up again. Hot Daddy action

I can't get past Grossman looking about 15 years younger than Hartley in the part.

They should have never brought Adam back and for story add in that Victor has another lost child; didn't Julia leave town presumably pregnant with Victor's daughter?

This is the problem with rotating regimes and returning regimes; Mal -- or was it Chuck? -- blew up Adam to get Hartley off the show; okay, he'd already had plastic surgery once when Hartley took over the part; did Adam get it again?

And now Josh is back and can't let go of the whole Delia thing. Of course, it'll never go away but the last regime or two (whoever) resolved it and it was time to move FORWARD (you never move 'on.')

If I were writing the show, I would have retconned Delia as a burgeoning child-murderer a la Rhoda Penmark.

R491 They could still do that with Little Miss Dolly Parton. I really thought they might make a lit Faith the shooter, with her aiming for Adam, but hitting Chance instead.

R492, instead we got the most predictable, most boring shooter on the canvas.

Doug Cummings, this wasn't.

Back in 2005, GH tried to make young Michael Corenthos, then about 8 years old, into a killer. Audience reaction was negative and Michael was the (adopted) scion of the show's resident hero/mobster. So, they quickly undid that storyline and made it the child psychiatrist who was the killer

[quote]Doug Cummings, this wasn't.

Well, it's Josh Griffith who's HW.

Doug Marland, he isn't.

Y&R made Ben's kid, Max, a little demon. .. As I recall, viewers were calling him "Damien" from The Omen.

He set up fishing line on the stairs, causing Abby to trip and fall down them and lose her baby.

R490

[quote] didn't Julia leave town presumably pregnant with Victor's daughter?

No. Julia had her baby girl, "Jaime," in Genoa City. She'd been cagey about who the father was, but it was eventually revealed to be "Eric Garrison" - a result of his and Julia's one-night stand. She didn't need Eric to step-up and be a dad, though, as she'd already been on mission to find a surrogate to father a baby for her, so it basically worked out for her by happenstance.

btw - You might be thinking of the time Ashley went on a business trip to Paris and while there discovered she was preggers from her affair with Victor. I believe Julia was there.

[quote] okay, he'd already had plastic surgery once when Hartley took over the part; did Adam get it again?

No. In the subsequent explosion, they only said Adam had lost his memory, not his face. So when Grossman was cast, they simply handled it as a new actor taking over from the previous one with everyone knowing him. When Victor found his son in Vegas, he recognized him as Adam. Same with Sharon when she went to go see him. Adam had amnesia and was going by the name "Spider."

Papi Rey looks extremely fuckable here.

Why hasn't Noah at his mother's umpteenth wedding? I thought spoilers putting Noah with Lola - which could work.

Jordi dished on the wedding

When Sharon screws up, NuNoah should be home visiting, so that he can *comfort* his new step-daddy.

R497, thanks for the history lesson (truly); I'm great with certain eras of Y&R not so much others including that one; could history be tweaked and Julia's kid could be Victor's?

Grossman's fine -- for a 22 year old -- but Adam's history is too convoluted at this point. He's agonizing over killing someone when he was 11 in self defense of his mother, but his murder of Richard HIghtower as an adult so he could fake his death is okay?

They needed to cut their losses; leave Adam dead and buried after he blew up (though I guess his being alive saved Chloe).

Better to bring on a new character; or Julia's kid; or SOMETHING.

LORD this show is boring.

R502 I don't believe there's any way to make Julia's kid Victors without retcon. .. The story we saw for Julia was that she'd become this independent woman who was actively pursuing to have a baby on her own at that particular time in her life. IOW, she had it in her head to become a single mom to begin with, so this tied in to why she didn't want to become involved with or need to be dependent on Eric simply because he happened to have gotten her pregnant during their one hook-up. (As I recall, he, at least, was drunk.) And seriously, we don't need any more middle-aged Newman spawn around .. lol!

r502, if Mark Grossman were to leave, there would literally be no reason to watch this shitshow. In the opening credits, that smile...

Now, if Chelsea doesn't make it out of the hospital, I would not feel like crying.

I am watching the soaps and Y&R and B&B have not addressed COVID? Did GH?

R505 I don't watch GH, but Hot Daddy Valentini told Soap Opera Digest that GH would NOT be addressing COVID in their storylines.

Wow the soaps blowing a chance to not only be helpful, but play off the drama of a pandemic. I think people need reality. Of course we aren't going to hear Nikki Newman talk admiringly of Melania, but they couldn't wear a mask when they visit people?

R507 One of the issues in playing COVID is that the soaps are necessarily scripted months in advance, yet how the pandemic looked three-four months ago may not be relevant to what's going on today. A perfect example of this is on a British soap like EastEnders. They kinda-sorta made an effort to write COVID into the scripts post-hiatus. And when the show first came back, what they were portraying on-screen was fairly relevant, but as things continued and the situation eased up in real life for awhile so did what EE scripted. But now we see the UK in a horrible state again, yet EE's current episodes aren't depicting any of it, because these episodes were written/produced ahead of this second huge spike. In fact, the Christmas and New Year's episodes that just aired could almost be looked upon as a disservice, as they showed characters out in the pub and streets, singing, dancing, no masks, no sign that London is actually living under Tier 4 rules.

Having to live with the daily realities of COVID and also hear reports about it nonstop on the news, it's nice to escape COVID for a little while each day with visits to Port Charles and Genoa City and Salem.

Shows made the right decision not to incorporate COVID. Give us our escape from the horror we're living through right now.

I'm torn especially about GH. One would imagine a show named GENERAL HOSPITAL to address the biggest medical issue to affect the country in many years, maybe ever. I, also, do not understand why they must be written so far in advance. One thing I liked about Sunset Beach was that they would record some scenes nearer the day of airing to include current events.

GH would just have Sonny and Jason find the vaccine for all of Port Charles.

I loved it when Tracy urged Edward to take the vaccine during it's pandemic about 8 years ago; I think it was Ron and Frank's first big story.

This was John Ingle's last appearance; Edward went out a hero. He insisted that Emma take the dosage. Tracy said: "I tried to trick Daddy into taking it, but he was one step ahead of me, as usual."

Brilliant callback to the famous episode where Edward tricked Tracy into thinking he was having a heart attack; she wouldn't give him the pills till he ripped up the will cutting her out. Great stuff.

I felt GH was in good hands after seeing that scene.

[quote] I felt GH was in good hands after seeing that scene.

Sadly, I haven't felt that way about Y&R in a very LONG time.