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The Witch (2015)

I assume that Thomasine was forced to have sex with the goat as part of her initiation? It was all the fault of that bitch mother of hers.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 110Last Sunday at 7:24 PM

I pronounced it the VVitch and was laughed at by my family. I’ve never recovered.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 1Last Wednesday at 3:59 PM

We just called it The Bitch.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 2Last Wednesday at 4:05 PM

This is a really good and really fucked up film.

It's one of my favorites. The Lighthouse , on the other hand, is a visual gut punch but a little too intense. At least for me.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 3Last Wednesday at 4:17 PM

****SPOILER*****

I love that it did not depend on CGI/jump scare (dream within a dream)bullshit. There really was a VVitch, she really did steal and cut up a baby to make flying ointment. There really was a devil.

The mother was overwhelmingly intimidated by Thomasine's budding sexuality, blaming her and calling her proud slut. She'd make a great Republican woman.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 4Last Wednesday at 4:24 PM

Tell me about The Lighthouse.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 5Last Wednesday at 4:25 PM

I saw the ending from a mile away, but "The VVitch" is beautifully written, designed, acted, and filmed. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 6Last Wednesday at 4:26 PM

Black Phillip fucked her up the ass.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 7Last Wednesday at 4:29 PM

[Quote] I assume that Thomasine was forced to have sex with the goat as part of her initiation?

I didn't even think of that 😧

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 8Last Thursday at 4:46 AM

She either had to screw Black Phillip while it was in animal form, or after it changed into a man. This is the actor who played Black Phillip as a man.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 9Last Thursday at 7:16 AM

R9 the voice matches the face for once.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 10Last Thursday at 3:03 PM

I barely remember this movie but I didnt really get it.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 11Last Thursday at 3:17 PM

I seriously thought I dreamt this movie up

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 12Last Thursday at 3:21 PM

I think the annoying little kids ended up in that black mass cauldron. Plenty of flight ointment to go around.

Was the ugly witch doing sexual stuff to the goat right before she killed the kids?

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 13Last Thursday at 3:22 PM

This scene disturbed me. Bad.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 14Last Thursday at 3:32 PM

Maybe I need to watch it again. I dont remember that scene at all.!

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 15Last Thursday at 3:35 PM

The Witch and Get Out are two of the most overrated horror films in the past few years. You can see the plot points coming from a mile away.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 16Last Thursday at 3:48 PM

It's refreshing they didn't use fucking CGI, or left the ending ambiguous. To each their own, but I really liked it.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 17Last Thursday at 3:55 PM

Puritans believed witches needed the fat of infants to make their flying ointment, not small children. So the twins probably just ended up as something like stew meat instead.

Black Philip is of course the Devil, so he can take many guises: as man, as goat, as something in-between, as a cat... whatever. I just assumed Thomasin had sex with him in one of his forms or another. It probably was something both degrading and sexy for her.

If you missed "The Witch," here's the Black Philip trailer to give you a sense of how creepy he was. He really had tons of personality for an animal actor.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 18Last Thursday at 4:08 PM

I loved this movie!

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 19Last Thursday at 4:19 PM

I thought it was any unbaptized child. For the flying cream.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 20Last Thursday at 4:32 PM

R14 is that the scene with her mother and the bird???

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 21Last Thursday at 4:35 PM

Yes. Her older son, who just died, comes to her to make her sign the devil's book. It's a sealed deal after she lets the raven suckle.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 22Last Thursday at 4:41 PM

When Thomasine was floating in the air, it is said she was having her first orgasm.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 23Last Thursday at 4:46 PM

Could someone explain this movie because I don't remember any of this shit. Was her mother a witch?

Trying to think back if I was drunk while watching this.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 24Last Friday at 8:04 AM

[Quote] Was her mother a witch?

No she wasn't.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 25Last Friday at 12:02 PM

I liked this, but The Lighthouse not so much.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 26Last Friday at 12:03 PM

I saw it as a metaphor for a teenage girl wanting to escape her mother's dreary life so she could live in beauty and luxury.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 27Last Friday at 12:09 PM

But that's the thing, she wasn't going to live in beauty and luxury. She was on her way to ending up like the old, ugly, naked women at the sabbath. She would have to scrounge for food and steal babies to be able to fly for a night. "Seeing the world" would mean traveling as an animal or naked on a broom. But she would always have to come back to her dreary home in the woods, desperately seeking new recruit. Sounds fucking boring to me.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 28Last Friday at 9:08 PM

But she got to wear a pretty dress, and enjoy the taste of butter!

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 29Last Friday at 10:37 PM

No, There will be no pretty dress or fucking butter. Those bitches were, for the most part, naked as the day they were born. Their food consisted of sucking bloody milk from a random goat. Thomasine totally got fucked.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 30Last Friday at 10:46 PM

The last scene (the mass) is unintentionally funny. There is a witch that is wiggling her hips while violently shaking her fists in the air. She does this dance the entire scene. .

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 31Last Saturday at 12:26 AM

That was a witches' black mass--I'm not sure they always dress like that.

But in any case, if the Devil didn't follow through on his part of the contract then Thomasin can renege on hers.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 32Last Saturday at 8:10 AM

I don't know, R28, those levitating witches at the black mass look pretty good to me!

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 33Last Saturday at 9:25 AM

Were the twins really talking to the devil or did they make it up? Were they possessed or evil?

Too much incest all around in this overrated movie.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 34Last Saturday at 9:41 AM

I’d like to live deliciously

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 35Last Saturday at 10:05 AM

No one has to be "forced" to have sex with a goat.

It's usually the goat that has to be persuaded.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 36Last Saturday at 10:06 AM

Black Phillip was hot when it turned into a man. I'd hit it.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 37Last Saturday at 12:54 PM

r37, you saw neither his face nor his body--only his fully clothed body from the neck down,with the only skin exposed being his hands.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 38Last Saturday at 1:52 PM

His face was absolutely shown when he was behind the proud slut.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 39Last Saturday at 1:58 PM

freaked me out

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 40Last Saturday at 2:01 PM

Have you seen the actor who portrayed the human Black Phillip? Smoking hot. The devil isn't going to be unattractive when he is trying to seduce his prey. He would have been fully visible to Thomasine. (You can see his face and he is attractive.)

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 41Last Saturday at 2:01 PM

Bend over, datalounge! You proud sluts!

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 42Last Saturday at 2:02 PM

I need to rewatch this. I must've been drunk during my 1st watch.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 43Last Saturday at 2:08 PM

Satan is very well hung.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 44Last Saturday at 2:10 PM

The teen boy's lust is what did him in. The witch got to him.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 45Last Saturday at 2:12 PM

Was the boy also the hunting dancer boy in Halloween 2018?

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 46Last Saturday at 2:12 PM

Yes, R41. But then some of us actually read the thread.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 47Last Saturday at 2:20 PM

"Satan is very well hung."

You bet thy ass he was!

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 48Last Saturday at 2:20 PM

I dont remember seeing his face either.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 49Last Saturday at 2:25 PM

I watched it last night. His face is clearly seen behind the proud slut.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 50Last Saturday at 2:26 PM

These two little assholes were annoying. You're almost relieved at the end of the film when they become witch stew.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 51Last Saturday at 2:34 PM

Here's a poor resolution copy in a foreign language on YouTube, and you can clearly see Black Phillip's hot sexy manly nose.

His face is much clearer in HD.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 52Last Saturday at 2:35 PM
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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 53Last Saturday at 2:36 PM

In that scene, I love the way the goat is all, "step into my office, young lady."

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 54Last Saturday at 2:47 PM

Not scary. Impossible to understand without subtitles. But atmosphere up the wazoo.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 55Last Saturday at 2:54 PM

I loved it in theaters but it definitely helped having subtitles when it came to Bluray R55

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 56Last Saturday at 3:01 PM

Too bad he didn't show butt like Luke Cook did for Sabrina.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 57Last Saturday at 3:36 PM

Excuse me. The dad was plenty naked in the film. He's no Black Phillip, but still a nice view.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 58Last Saturday at 3:44 PM

But what would've Thomasine's alternative? A poor peasant woman who has to marry to get someone to take care of her and the farm. Or be an outcast as a common whore. Witchcraft is always made out as life as an independent woman. And their Sabbath was their Michfest. All that was missing was a vagina cape.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 59Last Saturday at 3:47 PM

She would have to fuck roots and sticks and limbs. That's no better than being a whore.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 60Last Saturday at 3:51 PM

She could have walked back to her village and begged for forgiveness. She could have gone on to serve the family her parents were talking abut. She could have tried to make it work. But that sexy muthafucka Black Phillip made her into his whore.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 61Last Saturday at 3:54 PM

What the fuck are you talking about? Why would she be fucking sticks and roots? She's not some out of control whore or proud slut.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 62Last Saturday at 3:56 PM

Some witches fucked themselves with roots and sticks as part of nature rituals.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 63Last Saturday at 3:58 PM

Some women just have a thing for bad guys who also sometimes look like goats.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 64Last Saturday at 3:58 PM

R63 I've never heard of that. Are you sure they don't just cook these things?

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 65Last Saturday at 4:04 PM

After the honeymoon is over, Thomasine will have to blow this for the rest of her days. Eww.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 66Last Saturday at 4:11 PM

The movie was atmospheric as hell and the goat was spooky. I didn’t hate the ending either. However, I have definitely enjoyed this thread more than I did the film. The Black Phillip jokes have me cracking up.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 67Last Saturday at 4:11 PM

What exactly does it mean to "live deliciously?"

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 68Last Saturday at 9:04 PM

I think it’s living fancy. Basically the kind of life Britney describes in Work Bitch.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 69Last Saturday at 9:05 PM

Another amazing witch movie featuring proud skits and a hot hot but unattractive devil.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 70Last Saturday at 9:07 PM

Here’s the devil being a fucking perv suggestively churning butter

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 71Last Saturday at 9:09 PM

We prefer our devils sexy and lean.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 72Last Saturday at 9:11 PM

Thomasine would never touch that disgusting creature, r71. If that's what she would see in the barn, she'd say fuck this shit and take her chances with the woods.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 73Last Saturday at 9:16 PM

The film’s distributor A24 has a mostly pristine record and this one is no exception.

“Midsommar” had the same wonderful sense of dread throughout.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 74Last Saturday at 9:21 PM

Yeah I’d duck human Black Phillip but not the butter churning devil.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 75Last Saturday at 9:34 PM

Black Phillip, upon further research, is Canadian and gorgeous.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 76Last Saturday at 9:38 PM

Don't you want to live deliciously, r75, you proud slut?

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 77Last Saturday at 9:39 PM

Overrated.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 78Last Saturday at 10:33 PM

These were puritans, no? They're supposed to be extremely uptight about sex and nudity. So why, then, did Thomasin rip her clothes off in front of a stranger so easily? Black Phiilip wasn't even done asking before her dress was flying off. Granted, she did live alongside the goat, but not in it's human form.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 79Last Saturday at 11:08 PM

Because she was rebelling against her culture as a teenager and was enchanted by a witch?

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 80Last Saturday at 11:19 PM

A story as old as time itself. Raging hormonal teenager, feeling suffocated by her conservative upbringing, looks for an alternative place and a community to fit in either with self empowering or disastrous result.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 81Last Saturday at 11:25 PM

"Yeah I’d duck human Black Phillip"

I love the way you put "human" in front of Black Phillip, as if we're going to think you want to fuck a goat.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 82Last Saturday at 11:26 PM

like keegan!

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 83Last Saturday at 11:26 PM

I can pursued anyone...

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 84Last Saturday at 11:28 PM

r82, after lockdown and social distancing I think a lot of DLers would say YUM! to a goat which presents hole.

But guys, don't do it. It's the DEVIL!

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 85Last Saturday at 11:30 PM

FFS, persuade, not pursued.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 86Last Saturday at 11:32 PM

I don't think Datalounge users are into living THAT deliciously.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 87Last Saturday at 11:35 PM

R88 there's a Wiccan/Wizard or two on here.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 88Last Sunday at 1:09 AM

that talks to themselves!

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 89Last Sunday at 4:12 AM

The only thing I dreaded about Midsommar was the thought that it would never end, R74.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 90Last Sunday at 4:46 AM

Speaking of hot devils, I’m rewatching CARNIVÀLE, and the seminarian - played by Clancy Brown - who is secretly a murderous rapist Antichrist? Uncomfortably sexy.

Though I still prefer a sweaty mud-covered hillbilly Nick Stahl dressed in his rags.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 91Last Sunday at 5:10 AM

To room with the Keebler elves, R68.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 92Last Sunday at 5:22 AM

I would think it would be uncomfortable to ride a broom. Especially if the flying ointment gave out mid-flight. You'd be literally fucked.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 93Last Sunday at 1:23 PM

That's the point. They like riding the stick. Wanton witches.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 94Last Sunday at 1:28 PM

Riding a stick is one thing, being impaled another.

This movie is destined to become a classic. All because of black phillip.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 95Last Sunday at 1:34 PM

I think I must watch it again.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 96Last Sunday at 1:43 PM

Me too R96. I was either drunk or was interrupted a lot. I remember a black goat but no goat fucking or baby stew.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 97Last Sunday at 1:47 PM

Black Phillip doesn't present hole, you fools. He plugs holes.

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by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 98Last Sunday at 1:55 PM

[R82], after lockdown and social distancing I think a lot of DLers would say YUM! to a goat which presents hole.

But guys, don't do it. It's the DEVIL!

Do not make an unholy bond with a goat!

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 99Last Sunday at 1:57 PM

It did freak me out the first time.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 100Last Sunday at 2:04 PM

Would you like to toil and starve and work and serve and pray, all for a patriarchal dick be it dad or husband, who treats you like a slave- or do whatever you fucking want in the woods without fear of any man, fly occasionally and fuck hot man Black Phillip once a month? It's about Freedom.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 101Last Sunday at 2:11 PM

Fucked once a month is a deal breaker. I would need hot man Black Phillip at least three times a day.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 102Last Sunday at 2:18 PM

saggy ass witch

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 103Last Sunday at 2:31 PM

It’s so weird to imagine that if you’re of European ancestry your ancestors were actually concerned with shit like this happening.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 104Last Sunday at 3:02 PM

Religion is still being used to oppress people who don't fall in line. Spectral evidence was banned, otherwise these right wing nutobs would have us all killed. (Mary!)

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 105Last Sunday at 3:29 PM

R104 - I had that exact thought!

I have witch accuser ancestors...would they have been secretly lusting after Black Phillip? Did they want to live deliciously?

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 106Last Sunday at 3:33 PM

r106, your ancestors were proud sluts.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 107Last Sunday at 3:47 PM

I liked "The Witch" but it wasn't a movie for everyone. If you like horror movies with lots of gore, sex, jump scares, vampires, zombies and psycho killers, then this is not the movie for you. This movie is much more subtle and unsettling. And although it doesn't have buckets of blood and jump scares, it does contain some really ghastly things; a baby cut up to be used for witch ointment, a boy getting seduced by a hag in the disguise of a beautiful young woman, a raven gnawing a woman's nipple. And there's this heavy sense of dread, of doom, that permeates though out the entire film. In before the bizarre stuff starts it's a horrible situation: a family cast out from other people, attempting to create a life in a remote area, poverty-stricken, with little between them and starvation. It was an interesting movie but it just made you feel BAD.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 108Last Sunday at 3:57 PM

I felt bad for the girl. Hated by her mother, used by the father, lusted after by her brother, and tortured by her younger siblings. She was ripe for the picking. It was good to see her smiling and laughing at the end.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 109Last Sunday at 4:04 PM

R109, your comment made me remember my favorite review of this film, published in Vulture:

[quote]At the end of the day — i.e., the witching hour — The Witch is surprisingly straightforward. In its Puritan framework, a woman expiates her original sin through harsh self-denial or she dances with the devil.

[quote]...To my taste, the movie finally feels rather one-dimensional, basic. But there’s no disputing its awful power — it gets under your skin — and the insane release you feel when Thomasin’s damnation becomes her liberation, when Anya Taylor-Joy’s ethereally spaced eyes fall on sights that are worthy of them.

As a lesbian who grew up in an isolated evangelical community — my church believed in Satan, in hell, in demonic possession, in modern-day witchcraft, etc. — I was genuinely moved by the ending of The Witch. Damnation as liberation is, I suspect, a familiar concept to a lot of us on DL.

by Remove thy shift, indeed.reply 110Last Sunday at 7:24 PM
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