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America Needs to Lock Down Again: The Only Way to Slow the Coronavirus

The aim at this point, quite simply, should be to cut transmission of the virus as much as possible until the creation and distribution of an effective vaccine.

Such lockdowns should last six to eight weeks with a goal of reaching no more than one new case per day per 100,000 people. This low rate is necessary for testing and contact tracing to have any meaningful effect. Once that rate is achieved, however, local officials will be able to adjust lockdown measures more accurately and with the flexibility the pandemic demands. If the White House and federal government will not lead, which is unfortunately likely under the current administration, the governors of each state, in coordination with their neighboring states, must take the initiative themselves. Some might think this is unrealistic, but New York has been able to maintain this low rate of new infections for the past three months.

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by Anonymousreply 241Yesterday at 3:03 PM

Stringent lockdowns, of course, would depend on the continued labor of essential workers, a category we estimate to be no more than 35 percent of the workforce and possibly less. What about other workers? As part of its broader anti-COVID-19 strategy, the federal and state governments should compensate both individual workers and small businesses that suffer substantial or irreparable economic loss as a result of lockdowns.

Such support negates the false choice between public and economic health. If carried out successfully, the near-complete shutdowns would be not open-ended but limited in time. And the government has the means to prop up adversely affected workers and businesses. As Minneapolis Federal Reserve Bank President Neel Kashkari outlined in an op-ed in The New York Times cowritten with one of us (Osterholm), this fiscal obligation could be covered by the money most Americans who have not lost income are saving by not spending as much during the pandemic—the personal savings rate of Americans has grown from eight percent in January to 20 percent in August. Domestic savings can fund investment in the national economy, a concept that should work equally well in other developed nations. Banks, whose holdings have been boosted by the additional savings, could loan the money necessary for protecting jobs and businesses; Americans would essentially be repaying themselves rather than taking the more traditional route of incurring foreign debt.

We believe many people would support a more robust lockdown if they understood that they would not suffer financially. Such a subsidy will actually save money in the long term by preserving jobs and small businesses.

by Anonymousreply 109/16/2020

OP that's not going to happen.

by Anonymousreply 209/16/2020

[quote]We believe many people would support a more robust lockdown if they understood that they would not suffer financially.

Many people, perhaps, but not a single Trump voter.

by Anonymousreply 309/16/2020

Not gonna happen in a million years, even in the bluest of blue states. That ship has sailed, thanks to Trump. Masks, masks, masks. And smart social distancing.

by Anonymousreply 409/16/2020

The only way this happens without large scale revolt is a legitimate stimulus bill from congress that would guarantee everyone $2000 a month, rent and mortgage forgiveness, and free covid related healthcare. Pelosi seems hell bent on not allowing that to happen, so it’s unlikely.

by Anonymousreply 509/16/2020

NO. We already did this. Enough already.

by Anonymousreply 609/16/2020

A lockdown again is last resort if it gets really bad. No way everything closes down again, the initial response shouldn't have been botched but Trump ruined any possible avenue for close control. So all we as American society due is mask, social distance, vaccine, and pray(for some this is literal)

by Anonymousreply 709/16/2020

R5, Pelosi is the problem? Really? You’re a trumpTARD.

by Anonymousreply 809/16/2020

It's not going to happen again. As someone else said, not even in the bluest states.

I am for another lock down, but I know I am in the minority.

by Anonymousreply 909/16/2020

Pelosi IS also a real part of this problem.

Both sides are carrying on like whiny little brats who aren't going to budge a single centimeter unless they get their way. No one seem to understand that the art of compromise is a key factor in politics.

And, in the meantime, those who need help the most are the ones who are suffering royally.

by Anonymousreply 1009/16/2020

Health care is not being overwhelmed, cases in most states are declining, and people have already begun to adapt to the new normal. A new lockdown would be pointless.

by Anonymousreply 1109/16/2020

House democrats are starting to get really pissed at Pelosi. She isn’t budging at all because of the state funding part of the bill. She’s asking for more than even the states asked for. She rejected a bipartisan bill that some house members came up with, outright. She’s being ridiculous at this point and people are going to start blaming her more than they already are. No one cares she passed a bill back in May.

by Anonymousreply 1209/16/2020

Many people didn't follow guidelines this summer, and the numbers exploded.

Now, it's back to school, party time, and sports. And increasing numbers.

Just imagine what the numbers will be following Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's celebrations.

We do need a lockdown. Suck it up, we've gotta do something. But it won't work unless everyone cooperates.

What are the chances .........

by Anonymousreply 1309/16/2020

OP = Biden.

by Anonymousreply 1409/16/2020

Pelosi is 80 years old, but she's acting like an eight year old.

Time to put the old made out to pasture.

by Anonymousreply 1509/16/2020

Pelosi has the leverage she knows it and she should get more $$... the States need it

by Anonymousreply 1609/16/2020

Not gonna happen, you Lockdown Troll. Time to lose your fucking weight instead of forcing the whole country to protect you from this benign virus, fat hoes.

by Anonymousreply 1709/16/2020

You’re full of shit, OP.

by Anonymousreply 1809/16/2020

The best thing to do with America would be to saw it off the globe and hurl it into outer space.

by Anonymousreply 1909/16/2020

What r19 said.

by Anonymousreply 2009/16/2020

CNN reports that Bill Barr said tonight that our lockdown was the greatest intrusion on civil liberties in America since slavery.

by Anonymousreply 2109/16/2020

Can only hope you or someone you love dies from it, R17, you evil Trumptard shit.

by Anonymousreply 2209/16/2020

No more lockdowns.

by Anonymousreply 2309/16/2020

This would not happen. Both Democrats and Republicans made it clear that they weren't going to follow the COVID restrictions if they directly affected them. Americans are too selfish to do anything for the greater good, expecting them to sacrifice anything to end COVID is a pipe dream.

by Anonymousreply 2409/16/2020

Get outta here, Commie!!!

by Anonymousreply 2509/16/2020

Americans think giving up meat to stop climate change is a ridiculous thing to ask of them, you really expect for them to be so selfless and sacrificing that they'd go on total lockdown just to stop a disease?

They are a childish, petulant people who don't like being told the word "no" and can't handle being taken care of by someone else, despite how they fail at self-governing. They will never sacrifice for the greater good, and the rest of the world knows this, which is why instead of attempting to convince the US to lockdown have instead simply closed their borders to us.

They know we're a lost cause.

by Anonymousreply 2609/16/2020

Europe isn’t going to lock down, either.

by Anonymousreply 2709/16/2020

Did we REALLY have a first lock down?

by Anonymousreply 2809/16/2020

R26 Nothing about what you say is unique to Americans. And asking the rest of us to Make sacrifices when the people in charge don’t and are the ones chiefly responsible is insane.

by Anonymousreply 2909/16/2020

No .

by Anonymousreply 3009/16/2020

Israel is locking down again starting Friday.

by Anonymousreply 3109/16/2020

Parts of Europe are going through a second wave that is worse than the first one and a total lockdown isn't being considered in these places. In fact, a secnd total lockdown is off the table for most countries. Virus management going forward seems to be limited regional lockdowns with social distancing measures. If you don't like it then stay home.

by Anonymousreply 3209/16/2020

We have had ENOUGH lockdown shit already! OP, you probably have no life, so being in lockdown is NO different than before!

by Anonymousreply 3309/16/2020

LOOK at all the nasty denier cunts posting in this thread!

America didn't even have a first lockdown so there is literally no way there will be a second but it's what America needs to do. There wont be a vaccine for 12 - 18 months at the earliest. Apart from the 200,000 people who have already died - the long-term health effects of Covid-19 are unknown and are only starting to become apparent.

Let's put the current death numbers in perspective. In the 1918 flu pandemic, which started in Kansas and was exported to the rest of the world - around 675,000 Americans died.

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by Anonymousreply 3409/16/2020

[quote]Can only hope you or someone you love dies from it, [R17], you evil Trumptard shit.

And you have? NO ONE around me, my officemates, my relatives, my friends, my acquaintances ever catches this benign virus!!! But 5 people have fucking died from heart attack because they couldn't see their doctors.

So FUCK you, you stupid fat cunt R22. And please lock down your obese and odious self until all people around you die from economic ruins and lack of medical care. FUCK YOU!!!!! Stupid, ugly fattard.

Double-deniers just fucking take a look at Australia, Spain, etc... Did the complete lockdown help???? So fuck you, all near-blind, old fat cunts.

by Anonymousreply 3509/16/2020

America won’t lockdown. I live in a college town and there have been 1800 cases of Covid since Labor Day and that’s the students and staff who’ve been tested. We can’t get past this until there’s a vaccine.

by Anonymousreply 3609/16/2020

Going forward the model is Sweden.

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by Anonymousreply 3709/16/2020

And the picture is a beautiful blonde!

by Anonymousreply 3809/16/2020

OP is going to start another toilet paper shortage.

by Anonymousreply 3909/16/2020

[quote]And the picture is a beautiful blonde!

Of course, most 150-kg fattards wouldn't survive unscathed!!!!

by Anonymousreply 4009/16/2020

Fauci smart. R17/35 rabid, brain-dead little bitch.

by Anonymousreply 4109/16/2020

R34, before this is over, we could hit 675,000, maybe a million or more. And this is with much better masks and medications than 1918.

Think about it. By the time everyone gets vaccinated, it could be 2024. I know it’s impossible to believe, but in May, nobody thought it would be 200,000. They were predicting 66,000. Now they’re saying 400,000 well before the end of the year. With no end in sight. It’s a war of attrition.

by Anonymousreply 4209/16/2020

[R26], you're not helping your credibility, referring to 'Americans' and painting us all with the same brush. Back to topic. I was talking to my dad yesterday. I told him here in Seattle, at least in my neighbourhood, everybody wears masks. The QFC super grocery store a block away has a sign telling anybody who enters that they must wear a mask. I watch travel channels on youtube. In Madrid's airport, and in England's airports, maybe half the people were wearing masks. It's unbelievable! Is it because it's been six or so months since lockdown that people believe it's OK to walk around exposing others to the particulates in their exhalation? I don't understand.

by Anonymousreply 4309/16/2020

You're 100% correct with everything you say R42.

And just now on the news we saw Trump refuting CDC Director Robert Redfield’s comments on the timeline for vaccine availability to the general public and the effectiveness of masks! Trump basically saying that the vaccine will be released in October and Redfield was an incompetent fool who was too stupid to understand questions.

How much worse can you get than that?

by Anonymousreply 4409/16/2020

China had a 8-week lock down, it worked for them. Italy had a 8-week lock down, and it worked for them too. But the US didn't even have a state wide 6 week lock down, let alone nation wide, so this proposal is not "again", it would be the first nation wide lock down for US, unfortunately it should be in March, not 6 months later.

by Anonymousreply 4509/16/2020

R45, you obviously haven't been paying attention to what is currently happening in Italy.

I don't understand how even the blue states are handling this. What they are doing is so piecemeal that it isn't going to accomplish anything. You roll back to a higher level of restrictions when certain parts of a state get bad. Then, when their numbers drop a bit, they are allowed to again to right back to the same behavior that caused their bad numbers in the first place and, surprise, their numbers go back up again. Repeat on an endless fucking loop.

What they need to do is give the different areas one chance. Your numbers go up you get one chance to bring them down. If you do you get the restrictions lifted but if they go up again, permanent lockdown on restaurants, bars, social gatherings in that area. The idiot Americans who aren't acting responsibly only respond to toddler level punishment. So, they get sent to their rooms with no dinner and they can come out again when they can behave.

by Anonymousreply 4609/16/2020

Nobody but the most sheltered and spoiled white collar workers wants more shutdowns.

If you haven't been exposed to Covid after 6 months, tough cookie. Take vitamin D and social distance.

by Anonymousreply 4709/16/2020

R4 those practices clearly work though, as we’ve seen — so why lockdown yet again?

They just need to be strictly enforced in every state.

by Anonymousreply 4809/16/2020

Let me add that fear of the virus far outweighs how infectious it actually is. Only a handful of people I work with ever caught it and we are face to face with the public day in and day out.

by Anonymousreply 4909/16/2020

Oh, and the last confirmed case at my job was in July. Still locked down like it's the black plague out there, though.

I have said my piece.

by Anonymousreply 5009/16/2020

So, you're at work at your job, R50, where people have gotten infected but you have simultaneously been locked down like it's the black plague the entire time? Uh huh.

by Anonymousreply 5109/16/2020

No more lockdowns.

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by Anonymousreply 52Last Thursday at 12:06 AM

R51 I am a heroic essential worker. Bow down. Learn to read.

by Anonymousreply 53Last Thursday at 12:25 AM

States' rights!

by Anonymousreply 54Last Thursday at 12:40 AM

[quote] China had a 8-week lock down, it worked for them. Italy had a 8-week lock down, and it worked for them too.

You trust China??!! Most of Italy’s infected patients are dead. Of course it went down.

by Anonymousreply 55Last Thursday at 2:01 AM

There will be a vaccine in 6 months..but the question is when will we get it? PS Covid outbreaks in Europe are not rivaling the initial outbreak. That’s BS.

by Anonymousreply 56Last Thursday at 2:42 AM

R56 Cases are rising throughout most of Europe. The number of new daily cases in France, Spain, and Norway are higher now than the initial out break. In France exceedingly so. However, deaths are low. Interesting how a few months ago all the talk was about flattening the curve. No more.

by Anonymousreply 57Last Thursday at 3:35 AM

And about Italy: new daily cases are where they were at the beginning of May. Not good.

by Anonymousreply 58Last Thursday at 3:42 AM

Why waste all the effort on a lockdown? Why try to force people to do something they have no interest in doing (even if it's for their own protection)?

Just let it become an Orwellian survival of the fittest: the weak will be killed off and the strong will survive.

by Anonymousreply 59Last Thursday at 4:16 AM

[quote]NO ONE around me ever catches this benign virus!!!

1. If it were actually benign, you wouldn't know if anyone around you caught it.

2. You don't know what benign means.

by Anonymousreply 60Last Thursday at 4:21 AM

Be like Sweden.

by Anonymousreply 61Last Thursday at 4:23 AM

Yes, R56. Spain and France have reached number of new daily cases higher than the initial peak, but deaths and hospitalizations? Those figures are nowhere near what they were before—and that was the principal reasoning for "flattening the curve."

Not to imply that all is well and good, but the frozen meat trucks are not lined up to back into the loading docks and the hospitals are not chaos.

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by Anonymousreply 62Last Thursday at 4:29 AM

America is fucked. Our power in this world is diminishing. We have made way too many fuck ups and it’s all caught up to us.

At least this whole thing ripped off the facade. But we have to move forward and take action. We have to take these experiences and learn from them and do better. But I don’t believe Americans are able to do that. Sorry. I don’t believe Americans will learn and grow from this.

This coronavirus is only the beginning of national disasters that are to come.

by Anonymousreply 63Last Thursday at 4:42 AM

[quote] Time to put the old made out to pasture.

Oh fucking dear.

by Anonymousreply 64Last Thursday at 5:00 AM

[quote] Spain and France have reached number of new daily cases higher than the initial peak, but deaths and hospitalizations? Those figures are nowhere near what they were before—and that was the principal reasoning for "flattening the curve."

And that could be due to more testing.

A week or so ago New York tested 102,000 in one day. Back in the spring I’m sure there were more cases than we knew about because of lack of testing. Same probably goes for the EU.

by Anonymousreply 65Last Thursday at 5:01 AM

America is not fucked. What are you talking about?! There are not dead people lying all over the place and even in more conservative areas people wear masks and are doing online classes and working from home if they can. The dystopian picture that some like to paint is not true. I have known only a handful of people to contact the virus and they didn’t have symptoms. Yes, maybe we’ll have a surge and be punished for our sinful ways in the winter. Hopefully so, so you all can be happy and rejoice in being fucked.

by Anonymousreply 66Last Thursday at 5:09 AM

A lockdown would get a hold of this pandemic but, with a significant portion of Americans believing the whole thing is a hoax (aided by conservative states hiding their data), many people will just refuse.

That said, if numbers go up like crazy during the winter in the red states, they may change their minds but there would have to be mass deaths in the red states first...which I'm fine with .

by Anonymousreply 67Last Thursday at 5:20 AM

Everybody has to get it. You can't stop it. Just hope you don't die.

by Anonymousreply 68Last Thursday at 5:25 AM

R4

Our piece of shit phony baloney Governor Newsom, is allowing schools in counties to apply for waivers for K-6! Even where the virus is raging. Work around the rules. That’s the American way. He also approved fracking permits during all this hell. No lockdown will happen

by Anonymousreply 69Last Thursday at 5:35 AM

R66

Yes we are fucked. Obviously not just from the pandemic. But the pandemic has proven that we don’t have our shit together. We can’t even come together to fight the pandemic and save the lives of Americans, how the fuck are we going to handle future, worse national emergencies? With the way this world is headed there is much more to come. And the coronavirus has exposed how ill prepared and incompetent we are.

As I said, the coronavirus is just the beginning. You are proving my point and have the blinders on.

by Anonymousreply 70Last Thursday at 5:39 AM

[quote]China had a 8-week lock down, it worked for them.

It did R45. But the difference is that when China said [bold]lockdown[/bold] - they fucking meant it and if you didn't like it then they welded your door closed. There was none of this protesting your freedom dressed in fatigues and carrying machine guns or not wearing masks when you are supposed to be to protect your fellow countryman. They picked you up off the street, threw you in your house and then welded the door shut.

I have to admit I respect that commitment. It's a very no nonsense approach and a lot of Americans could do with the same treatment.

by Anonymousreply 71Last Thursday at 6:06 AM

[quote]There was none of this protesting your freedom dressed in fatigues and carrying machine guns or not wearing masks when you are supposed to be to protect your fellow countryman.

Indeed. [italic]This[/italic] was the moment America needed to go out protesting / rioting?

by Anonymousreply 72Last Thursday at 6:14 AM

Spain is reportedly set to announce targeted lockdowns in places where the virus is spreading rapidly, and renewed restrictions of movement on Friday.

The U.K. has started to reintroduce measures to restrict social gatherings, with the number of people allowed to meet now limited to six in England. Stricter measures targeting north-east England could be announced Thursday, the BBC reported.

by Anonymousreply 73Last Thursday at 6:44 AM

In America COVID was the moment where public health slammed headfirst into white privilege.

I mean, seriously. The motherfucking ATTORNEY GENERAL tells us that requesting people (not a true lockdown, a request) to stay home so they don't die was worse than slavery.

Which I guess from their brain-damaged perspective makes sense. We're seeing people that , for the first time in their lives, they were asked to make a sacrifice for the public good, to forgo getting their nails done, forgo drinking in a bar, forgo working out in a gym.

And they lost what was left of their tiny little minds.

And this winter is going to get considerably worse, and these people are going to completely lose their shit.

by Anonymousreply 74Last Thursday at 6:51 AM

But Halloween!

But Thanksgiving!

But Christmas!

But New Year’s

But Valentine’s Day

But Easter!

But Mother’s Day!

But Father’s Day!

But Memorial Day!

But 4th of July!

But Labor Day!

by Anonymousreply 75Last Thursday at 7:24 AM

[quote] Spain and France have reached number of new daily cases higher than the initial peak, but deaths and hospitalizations?

I specifically wrote: "However, deaths are low. "

[quote]Those figures are nowhere near what they were before—and that was the principal reasoning for "flattening the curve."

No, the reasoning behind flattening the curve was to reduce the transmission of the virus.

The WHO expects mortality rates in Europe to rise in October, November.

by Anonymousreply 76Last Thursday at 7:24 AM

Shut up..., I'm rich. I've got a million dollars. I own three blocks downtown. I've got oil in Bakersfield and its pumping, pumping, pumping....

by Anonymousreply 77Last Thursday at 7:30 AM

[quote]We're seeing people that , for the first time in their lives, they were asked to make a sacrifice for the public good... And they lost what was left of their tiny little minds.

You forgot going to a cinderblock building and mumbling to a non-existent man-in-sky... who wanted them to take off the masks, shout, sing, clap, and spread virus around to everyone! Praise!

by Anonymousreply 78Last Thursday at 7:37 AM

"The number of French people treated in intensive care units for COVID-19 rose for the twentieth straight day on Wednesday to a three-month high of 803, while the number of new daily cases was the third highest on record."

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by Anonymousreply 79Last Thursday at 7:42 AM

R67 The hysterical dogma on the left that Covid is an apocalypse destroying America and only more shutdowns can fix it... is every bit as politically motivated and divorced from reality as Trump supporters thinking the virus isn't real.

Science is not on your side.

by Anonymousreply 80Last Thursday at 7:58 AM

R74 LMAO the white privileged are team shutdown. LMAO. White people and asians are the only groups reliably sticking to any pandemic regulations. Black people don't social distance or wear masks except at work.

by Anonymousreply 81Last Thursday at 8:01 AM

Racist above.

Even if there were continued lockdowns it will not go away.

by Anonymousreply 82Last Thursday at 8:03 AM

R81, you are kind of right. I'm black and live in Jersey City, which is pretty ethnically diverse. The whites, hispanics, and asians usually have on masks. Young black men and women (under 40 say) are foregoing masks altogether. I'm a 32 year old male and wear a mask when I go in public, but most young black people are not wearing masks AND not social distancing. In fact, most people aren't practicing social distance as well as they should. People apparently don't know what 6 feet looks like spatially.

by Anonymousreply 83Last Thursday at 8:40 AM

R75 If you want to sit home then do so. The rest of us will be out enjoying ourselves.

by Anonymousreply 84Last Thursday at 9:20 AM

So what are you saying, that the vast majority the population should stay locked down because a small minority of people might, might get sick.? And of those who get sick very very very small percentage of them may die, maybe? So what do we do stay locked inside and allow our economy to continue to flounder?

Do you have any idea how many thousands and thousands of people have lost everything in the shut down? How many have lost their businesses, homes, not to mention their sanity and their lives due to suicide? Open your eyes for god sake‘s, yes it’s bad for some, especially for those who are highly susceptible, but there comes a point in time when decisions have to be made for the betterment of all.

Lock down zealots need help.

by Anonymousreply 85Last Thursday at 10:05 AM

It doesn't need to be a binary. Lockdown anal-retentive OCD doomsday scenario - or balls to the wall party of the century.

by Anonymousreply 86Last Thursday at 10:16 AM

America locking down again is not as extreme is imprisoning people for being super spreaders, something we're already seeing happen in Germany. What needs happen is that those with underlying conditions must stay home, while the rest of us assume the necessary risks.

by Anonymousreply 87Last Thursday at 10:31 AM

A colleague of mine (university) said he reported a student "to the authorities" for attending school for a week despite knowing she was COVID+. Mary!

by Anonymousreply 88Last Thursday at 10:33 AM

[quote]Do you have any idea how many thousands and thousands of people have lost everything in the shut down? How many have lost their businesses, homes, not to mention their sanity and their lives due to suicide?

No, do you? Because I've heard the president and Fox News raise these points since March, but I've yet to see stats on the number of Americans who've actually 1) folded businesses, 2) lot homes 3) gone insane 4) committed suicide.

by Anonymousreply 89Last Thursday at 10:37 AM

R85 is probably a troll but just a reminder to us all, the US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is supposed to help it's citizens financially through a mandatory lock down, take a look at what Canada has been doing. Stop acting like we have to all fend for ourselves, that's trump and the rethuglicans doing. Cut defense spending and reallocate funds for real support to small business owners and workers. TRUMP HAD NO PLAN BECAUSE HE DOESN'T CARE.

The people should get financial support not Trump & the GOP's cronies.

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by Anonymousreply 90Last Thursday at 10:38 AM

R15 you might want to look up a book of synonyms.... ask your supervisor in the troll farm for one.

by Anonymousreply 91Last Thursday at 11:20 AM

Make sure R15's 7 sock puppets who gave him a W&W also get a Thesaurus, R91.

by Anonymousreply 92Last Thursday at 11:24 AM

How dare R15 say that about totally uncorrupt Nancy Pelosi!

by Anonymousreply 93Last Thursday at 11:27 AM

In the first 3+ months of the pandemic, only the sickest got tested. Now the numbers are rising exponentially partly because more people are getting tested and many of them don't feel particularly sick, but it turns out they are positive and still capable of spreading virus to the more vulnerable. I think we are past the point of lockdowns, but there should be a NATIONWIDE MANDATORY mask policy - from now until there is an effective vaccine. None of this bullshit "medical exemption" crap either. It turns out that masking plus reasonable social distancing measures are very effective in slowing the spread of the virus. But there are certain American pastimes that can't work this way. Indoor sports, concerts, movie theaters, restaurants, bars. All of these either need people packed together tightly to make sufficient profit for the enterprise, or people need to lift their masks to partake of food or drink. Which means a large segment of Americans will be out of work for a couple of years. Public transportation is also dicey. Mandatory masking would help, but it's very difficult to enforce social distancing on them.

by Anonymousreply 94Last Thursday at 11:42 AM

R94 also very difficult to enforce social distancing at the riots you vociferously support.

Disingenuous cunt.

by Anonymousreply 95Last Thursday at 11:52 AM

We all know it's a moot point because a. we never did a real lockdown the first time around, b. Americans lost their damn minds on the first "lockdown".

A national mask policy would, however, make a significant dent in potential new infections. Too bad we're governed by internet trolls rn.

by Anonymousreply 96Last Thursday at 11:56 AM

For those of you still on the fence about things... Much of the world is currently locked down for a virus with a 99. 5% survival rate. Quarantine is when you restrict the movement of sick people. Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people. That is all.

by Anonymousreply 97Last Thursday at 12:00 PM

R94 absolutely should be a mandatory masking policy. That plus enforced social distancing (yeah, there are always going to be a couple of stragglers who don’t comply, but by and large) is an “acceptable risk” to me and most healthy and sane people to move on with our lives already.

But when there Are such simple precautions to take, that are proven extremely effective, it’s absurd how people object and won’t comply. And going back to lockdown would be equally absurd, too.

by Anonymousreply 98Last Thursday at 12:06 PM

You can't enforce masking and social distancing on black and brown people without forming the same fascist racist police state you claim already exists.

by Anonymousreply 99Last Thursday at 12:15 PM

America will never lock down again. That's not happening. Too may people think they were duped by scientists who kept changing their mind and contradicting themselves. The citizens will not go to the lengths that they did before.

by Anonymousreply 100Last Thursday at 12:20 PM

[quote]Much of the world is currently locked down for a virus with a 99. 5% survival rate. Quarantine is when you restrict the movement of sick people. Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people. That is all.

1. Americans are free to leave their homes at any time, as are most global residents. So your first statement is objectively false.

2. It's impossible to determine a true survival rate at this point, but if your stat is correct, hospitals would be overwhelmed with cases in the absence of mask-wearing and social distancing.

3. Per the CDC, people are put into quarantine when they are not sick, but have been or may been exposed to a communicable disease.

4. I'm healthy and I'm free to go anywhere I want.

by Anonymousreply 101Last Thursday at 12:21 PM

People need to stop screeching about the low death rate -- there's evidence pointing to long term problems in people that were exposed, even if their symptoms weren't severe. Children that had the virus are being diagnosed with Diabetes type 1 at an alarming rate, when they were healthy prior to that.

There's an alarming amount of people post virus that haven't felt normal yet. They're fatigued, depressed, and some have permanent damage to lungs and body. That's without talking about mutations of we allow it to keep jumping around.

How is that acceptable? We should be demanding 24 hr test results, which should've been a main priority. We should be testing every person and isolating the positives.

But sure, let's live these half assed lives that will suck for years, so the entitled pricks can get in their lackluster vacations, go window shopping, and have their fat ass fed at a restaurant. 🙄 God forbid you can't do that to prevent permanent disability in a late portion of the population. I'm guessing the sane people will bitch when the post ill have to apply for social security decades earlier than they should've had to.

by Anonymousreply 102Last Thursday at 12:46 PM

*large portion

by Anonymousreply 103Last Thursday at 12:47 PM

When Dr. Fauci said people should not be wearing masks. This video is from a 60 Minutes interview in late march. It is extremely hard to find this clip. CBS has completely scrubbed it, even from their own On Demand service.

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by Anonymousreply 104Last Thursday at 1:12 PM

R104 Yes Fauci is the evil doer! Dumb ass.

by Anonymousreply 105Last Thursday at 1:14 PM

We're watching the collective mental breakdown of upper middle class white people. Internationally.

by Anonymousreply 106Last Thursday at 1:46 PM

[quote] People need to stop screeching about the low death rate -- there's evidence pointing to long term problems in people that were exposed, even if their symptoms weren't severe

The evidence isn't substantial. It's true that some people are at a higher risk of developing health complications due to Covid, however the evidence is still anecdotal. We're not going to know the long term effects in terms of years or decades for a long time, and you can't just keep people locked up until then. There will probably be other pandemics. What do we do at that point? All live in a bunker?

Similarly, no one knows for sure how long the immune response lasts, however it appears that individuals who got reinfected only months later are not the norm. There are just as many cases of people who didn't know they had Covid and have tested positive for immunity several months later.

by Anonymousreply 107Last Thursday at 2:18 PM

There are people that have had heart damage, which may be irreversible, we don’t know. And there are a lot of asymptomatic kids that have heart damage and had no idea until they were tested. It’s up to adults to protect kids. Kids should not be running their own lives during a pandemic. They are not responsible.

I knew a guy who was a cardiologist. One of his patients was a poor young man who played basketball. The cardiologist found out this guy had a fairly common heart defect. He had had no idea and tried out for basketball. He was an excellent player and about to try out for a team that would have made his future. I guess the coach or somebody had his heart checked after some incident.

The cardiologist told him he couldn’t do it. He put him on beta blockers. He couldn’t play on them so he wouldn’t take them. He was looking forward to supporting his very poor family. The cardiologist kept telling him, it’s dangerous. He was so dumb, he thought he could just wish away the defect because he needed the money. He had a heart attack and died. So then his mother who wanted to be supported by him lost her golden goose anyway.

You can’t expect young people to behave rationally about how to act with heart defects. My sister had a heart defect. She ended up in the hospital several times trying to do too much. You’re talking about crippling very young people for a lifetime. Every thing they do is constrained by their heart issues. My sister is now 70 and she’s never been able to do a lot of things normal people can do. Every aspect of her youth was curtailed. Couldn’t be a cheerleader, couldn’t run, couldn’t be in the marching band because she couldn’t walk that far. Nearly died having her one kid, and they were prepared ahead of time. Spent school summers on bed rest or in a nursing home at one point. Is still sporting a tracheotomy scar from when she almost died and a has huge chest scar from heart surgery.

I can’t believe how selfish and heartless people are. How many parents or adults would willingly sentence their child or niece or nephew to that curtailed life? But talk to them about staying home and wearing a mask and that’s exactly what they want to do. Go out, breathe on everyone unmasked, scream about how they can’t live unless they’re spoiling themselves and totally disregarding anyone else. And these are the same people who would be whining their heads off about how unfair it is if it happened to someone they cared about. Or themselves.

by Anonymousreply 108Last Thursday at 2:49 PM

R108 Sorry to break it to you, but the reality is none of us give a shit about your anecdotal stories. All of us are susceptible to all sorts of maladies. Schools must reopen in the US, just as they are in Europe.

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by Anonymousreply 109Last Thursday at 3:59 PM

Dr. Quack: CDC's Redfield claims masks ‘guaranteed to protect against COVID’

In February, Redfield said healthy people should *not* wear masks.

[quote] Testifying before the Senate Appropriations Committee Wednesday morning, CDC Director Robert Redfield entered further into quack doctor territory, claiming that wearing a mask protects the wearer against the novel coronavirus, even more so than a high-efficacy vaccine. “These facemasks are the important, powerful public health tool we have,” Redfield said, while touching both sides of his mask and unconsciously contaminating it with his hands. “I might even go so far as to say that this facemask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine,” he added.

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by Anonymousreply 110Last Thursday at 4:05 PM

R104 Thanks for posting that video. And that is only a small part of Fauci’s advice during February and March when he was telling us we should be more concerned about the flu rather than covid. And then there is his praise for the response of the Trump administration. People desperately want to rewrite history. Because it is ALL about politics.

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by Anonymousreply 111Last Thursday at 4:08 PM

If we stipulate that experts changed their advice as circumstances and knowledge of the pandemic evolved, R110, would you quit beating the same tiresome drum?

by Anonymousreply 112Last Thursday at 4:09 PM

Mary, r108!

by Anonymousreply 113Last Thursday at 4:12 PM

We need another lockdown. People should not be dying just to safe the economy. Nothing is more valuable than human life. Safe the elderly. Protect the children. Elect Biden.

by Anonymousreply 114Last Thursday at 4:16 PM

Wow, I simply cannot believe the volume of utter stupidity in this thread. You fucking assholes who still don't understand the severity of this virus and the way that Trump has completely botched the stoppage of it are truly fucking brain damaged. Anyone wanting to disprove the theory that gays are somehow smarter need only come spend a few minutes in here.

by Anonymousreply 115Last Thursday at 4:23 PM

[quote]Schools must reopen in the US, just as they are in Europe.

Not until the U.S. achieves the same infection rate and case rate as Europe and not until the U.S. implements basic safety measures to keep faculty, staff, children, and their respective families safe.

by Anonymousreply 116Last Thursday at 4:24 PM

It's just a few persistent sociopaths, R115. They've been here for months and have been regurgitating this same bullshit the entire time.

by Anonymousreply 117Last Thursday at 4:27 PM

[quote]America will never lock down again. That's not happening.

On a state by state level, it's happened multiple times. Given enough cases and deaths, America absolutely will lock down again.

by Anonymousreply 118Last Thursday at 4:28 PM

R116 Adjusted for population, case rates are now higher in France and Spain than in the US. And they've done less testing than the US too.

by Anonymousreply 119Last Thursday at 4:31 PM

[quote] It's just a few persistent sociopaths, [R115]. They've been here for months and have been regurgitating this same bullshit the entire time.

I'm not sure. I've not seen it at this volume before. I hope you're correct.

by Anonymousreply 120Last Thursday at 4:32 PM

I think that if Biden wins, once he's sworn in (and during the surge that the winter will surely bring) he may be able to "wipe the slate clean" and start fresh with a mandatory lock down and actually distribute funds the way they should have been in the first place, not feathering the nests of all the CEOs and 1%ers.

by Anonymousreply 121Last Thursday at 4:34 PM

The Chicken Littles are obviously elder gheys with medical conditions. Understandable. Keep your ass inside! But you may have had it already and not have known. What does a lockdown achieve when it's not going away? It is still out there. Are you taking some rushed vaccine?

by Anonymousreply 122Last Thursday at 4:34 PM

Uh-huh, R119. Come back when you've looked at the rest of Europe. And have looked at what is happening in those U.S. states with high positivity rates that have opened their schools.

[quote]I'm not sure. I've not seen it at this volume before. I hope you're correct.

Use Trolldar. There aren't that many in this thread and at least two of them have been seen over and over and over and over again in similar threads.

by Anonymousreply 123Last Thursday at 4:36 PM

R122 believes absolutely nothing can be done and we must all die. Everyone stop wearing masks and go get Covid. If you die, you don’t deserve to live anyway because your continued life inconveniences R122. Let’s all sacrifice our lives to him.

by Anonymousreply 124Last Thursday at 4:37 PM

[quote]I've not seen it at this volume before

Because the troll has figured out how to do sock puppets.

by Anonymousreply 125Last Thursday at 4:38 PM

I never said don't wear a mask. And you know what? We all do die.

by Anonymousreply 126Last Thursday at 4:40 PM

Doesn’t mean we want to do it this month, R126. You just go ahead without the rest of us.

by Anonymousreply 127Last Thursday at 4:41 PM

R120, see R37, for example, and his 9 posts on this thread. He's also posted literally dozens of times, if not hundreds of times, in the various Coronavirus Freakout threads. He has also claimed that Trump is favored to win because of Democrats "rioting, looting and ridiculous demands."

He is a sociopathic Magadroid who has no idea what he's talking about and who just wants people to die. In the six months he's posted here, he has learned absolutely nothing about pandemics, about history, about vaccines, about herd immunity, about "test, trace, and isolate," about what works and what doesn't.

by Anonymousreply 128Last Thursday at 4:41 PM

Just a reminder that the people who were adamantly telling you to stay inside, or else grandma dies, just months ago, are now the same ones adamantly telling you it's racist to not protest in groups of thousands, because the media decides how they feel that day and what to think.

The problem is the sheeple will not see this. They have moved on from Covid. That was months ago. They worked themselves up into a frenzy attacking anyone that ventured outside telling them that they were going to kill millions. Its onto the next media sponsored outrage in order to divide humanity even further.

And yet the cattle will still wear their masks.

The end game is totalitarianism through left-wing radicalism, media manipulation, urban terrorism and complicity between corrupt politicians and elements of the intel/special ops community.

If you follow geopolitics and history long enough, you understand that nefarious actors behind the scene have always instigated events to promote their agenda.

by Anonymousreply 129Last Thursday at 4:44 PM

R123 It is back to school in Spain and France. If you refuse to send your kid back to school in Spain you will get sanctioned. Cases are rising all over Europe, but kids are going back to school.

by Anonymousreply 130Last Thursday at 4:45 PM

If numbers surge, you can bet we will be hunkering down (in the words of Fauci) once again. If that's what it takes, then that's what it takes. Anyone who doesn't like it will have to man up and STFU.

by Anonymousreply 131Last Thursday at 4:45 PM

R131 Not gonna happen, Although we know you hope it does.

by Anonymousreply 132Last Thursday at 4:48 PM

You are really just worried that the thread kvetching about finding Lysol Wipes will be over.

by Anonymousreply 133Last Thursday at 4:49 PM

Admitting you were deceived is hard. Very hard for most people. People believe what they want to believe, and for some they don’t want to seek the reality. The most dangerous virus is stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 134Last Thursday at 4:49 PM

And then there's R47 and his dozen posts. Want to know what he's said on other threads?

[quote]You all are causing so much suffering and heartache clinging to your doomsday scenarios. Pretending to have empathy while doing it, too. Ghouls.

[quote]Delusional, hysterical frau thread. You're all very out of touch.

[quote]Republican states will reopen schools and reap the benefits of that decision for years to come. People are leaving the overly restrictive states already and the reality of missing 6 months to a year of school for their kids with nothing to replace it but homeschooling or endless worksheets will drive people away. No one gives a fuck about Covid when things that actually matter get involved.

[quote]Yes, obese Mommyfraus of the suburbs, I literally meant you are trying to infect my beloved God and saviour, Trump, with the coronavirus. That is what I meant.

[quote]It doesn't work that way, and the stupid and crazy decisions being made in Democratic-controlled areas are going to cause much more suffering than the pandemic!

[quote]Logic says "The Democratic Party is slowly comitting suicide in an effort to use the pandemic as a 2020 wedge issue against Trump."

[quote]Unlike you dribbling dipshits, I have concrete values that don't shift with the wind.

[quote]As has been pointed out over and over again, it is very rare for children to contract Covid-19. As in, there have only been a couple hundred worldwide.

He never has been able to bring himself to acknowledge just how hilariously stupid that remark is.

[quote]I'm not the one wallowing and slopping around in all that sweet, sweet hate and death like some people. You seem be having a great time. Frothing at the mouth.

[quote]Apologies, you're all n-a-r-c-i-s-s-i-s-t-i-c pigs flopping around snorting with joy in other people's suffering. Oops!

He's also posted over 100 times in the various threads about the protests, where he's been unable to get his facts straight and has been basically making up shit.

by Anonymousreply 135Last Thursday at 4:56 PM

[quote]Admitting you were deceived is hard.

Oh, you mean like the person who wrote this stupid shit, R134?

[quote]a small minority of people might, might get sick.?

[quote]Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people.

[quote]When Dr. Fauci said people should not be wearing masks.

[quote]Just a reminder that the people who were adamantly telling you to stay inside, or else grandma dies, just months ago, are now the same ones adamantly telling you it's racist to not protest in groups of thousands, because the media decides how they feel that day and what to think.

by Anonymousreply 136Last Thursday at 4:58 PM

R135 Is the Gladys Kravits of Datalounge. Mucks up every thread dragging in posts from other threads as if anyone cares.

by Anonymousreply 137Last Thursday at 4:59 PM

[quote]Not gonna happen.

Really, R134? And you know this, how, exactly? Have you looked at the positivity rate in the Midwestern and Southern states?

by Anonymousreply 138Last Thursday at 4:59 PM

LOL.... You just don't like your own foolishness exposed, R137. Trust me, I could have posted a lot more. You have quite a track record here, almost all of it bad.

by Anonymousreply 139Last Thursday at 5:00 PM

[quote]In America, COVID was the moment where public health slammed headfirst into white privilege.

[bold]THIS.[/bold]

In fact everything R74 said.

by Anonymousreply 140Last Thursday at 5:01 PM

r135 is a textbook example of severe cognitive dissonance as are many on this thread. Objectively research both sides of this issue and apply critical reasoning and then form your opinion.

I try to have empathy for those that are still very much under the influence of the corporate media and see that their conditioning is not who they ultimately are, but merely an unconscious aspect of them.

by Anonymousreply 141Last Thursday at 5:02 PM

R138 The people in the Midwestern and Southern states are not going to accept a lockdown. Not gonna happen.

by Anonymousreply 142Last Thursday at 5:02 PM

[quote]R135 is a textbook example of severe cognitive dissonance as are many on this thread.

And yet, somehow, you aren't able to come up with anything I've posted that is incorrect. Why is that, exactly?

[quote]Objectively research both sides of this issue and apply critical reasoning and then form your opinion.

I have, thanks.

by Anonymousreply 143Last Thursday at 5:10 PM

[quote]The people in the Midwestern and Southern states are not going to accept a lockdown. Not gonna happen.

Uh-huh, I'll take that claim just as seriously as all of your other predictions over the past six months. You have said shit like this over and over again, as cities, states, and countries have come in and out of lockdown repeatedly, all while you bleat that it can't possibly happen.

by Anonymousreply 144Last Thursday at 5:12 PM

Fauci says more widespread lockdowns probably won't be needed in virus fight

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by Anonymousreply 145Last Thursday at 5:19 PM

Shut up, Fauci.

by Anonymousreply 146Last Thursday at 5:20 PM

Opinion piece, TheGuardian: "The past three months have proved it: the costs of lockdown are too high"

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by Anonymousreply 147Last Thursday at 5:21 PM

Hey 4143 what have you posted that's correct??

Chew on this article of 500 (now over 1000+) German doctors that have put their careers on the line by exposing this plandemic. Are they insane? Of course not as credible as your AC360.

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by Anonymousreply 148Last Thursday at 5:21 PM

ROFL.... That's the best you could come up with, R148? Seriously? That's fucking hilarious. I don't even have to debunk something so ridiculous on its face.

Did you notice that little caveat, by the way? It's not "500 German doctors." It's "500 German doctors [bold]and scientists[/bold]." It's the same shit that the climate change deniers pull.

As for the doctors, being a doctor doesn't mean you understand epidemiology or that you're immune from bullshit. Just ask Trump's favorite doctor about her belief that alien DNA is used in medicine and that gynecological problems are the result of people having sex in their dreams with demons.

by Anonymousreply 149Last Thursday at 5:26 PM

I’m more interested in all the UFO, astrology, Satanism and pedophelia articles at your link, R148. Those are always a good sign of a legit news organization.

by Anonymousreply 150Last Thursday at 5:27 PM

Stay home, safe lives!

by Anonymousreply 151Last Thursday at 5:29 PM

Plus the fact that the group referenced there, R150, which has apparently been "giving multiple conferences," hasn't been able to come up with a single actual study, peer reviewed or not.

Given the conspiracy theories and the reference to "objectively research both sides of this issue," I suspect we have a QAnon devotee in our midst. We should all genuflect.

by Anonymousreply 152Last Thursday at 5:29 PM

It is interesting how the Guardian has softened its stance concerning the virus. Previously everything was a hit piece. No more. "Sweden spared European surge as coronavirus infections stay low" "Chief epidemiologist puts low number of cases down to light-touch ‘sustainable’ approach"

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by Anonymousreply 153Last Thursday at 5:30 PM

Should read: "It is interesting how the Guardian has softened its stance concerning the virus and Sweden’s approach.."

by Anonymousreply 154Last Thursday at 5:32 PM

Oh, and it gets better: the claim about the "500 German doctors & scientists" links not to any list of those supposed "doctors & scientists" but to a YouTube video that's been removed. From the website of the group in question, there is no link that I can find to any such list of "500 German doctors & scientists."

by Anonymousreply 155Last Thursday at 5:34 PM

r155 hmm... why would YouTube remove this free speech? Here ya go...

How many people on this thread have the courage to watch this?

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by Anonymousreply 156Last Thursday at 5:51 PM

Go away, Qanon

by Anonymousreply 157Last Thursday at 5:54 PM

How can America successfully deal with COVID when we couldn't even get the individual counties in individual states to agree on a policy?

A lockdown isn't happening, people.

by Anonymousreply 158Last Thursday at 5:55 PM

r157 LOL I'm definitely not a Qtard (never read any of this Q psyop bullshit) nor a Trumper. And I'm not a Russian bot either. I'm a critical thinker that's researched both sides of this issue extensively and formed my own opinion. You're obviously threatened by that.

by Anonymousreply 159Last Thursday at 5:59 PM

R158 It is not going to happen because people won't accept it. Period. What OP is suggesting is ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 160Last Thursday at 6:10 PM

[quote]I'm a critical thinker that's researched both sides of this issue extensively and formed my own

You may not be a Q but you sure sound like one.

by Anonymousreply 161Last Thursday at 6:14 PM

r61 I wouldn't know as I've never followed Q as it's an obvious psyop for the low IQ Trump people. I trust that you've researched both sides of this issue? Including Koch's postulates? Right??? Or Nobel Prize winner and inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullis, who stated that this test should never be used to diagnose viruses?

by Anonymousreply 162Last Thursday at 6:26 PM

Browsing social media is not “researching both sides of the issue.”

Reuters: Social media users have been sharing a quote attributed to the inventor of the Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) test, currently being used to detect COVID-19, which says “PCR tests cannot detect free infectious viruses at all”. This quote has been falsely attributed to the inventor, Kary Mullis, and has been taken out of context to falsify its original meaning.

by Anonymousreply 163Last Thursday at 6:30 PM

Fortunately I've blocked most of the Covidiots, but it sounds like we're conflating arguments here about whether America *should* do lockdowns vs. whether they *would*.

Should officials consider lockdowns in areas with dangerous outbreaks? Absolutely. They're doing them all over the world as we speak - Spain, England, Australia, NZ. They work. China locked down Beijing for 2 weeks after 60 new cases.

Would Americans put up with it? Of course not. Not sure if New Yorkers would do it again with another outbreak.

Would the US government have the balls to do a Chinese style lockdown? (reporting your temperature to the government every morning, tracking your movements and body temperature through the day, literally welding people into their apartments) Seriously doubt it.

Lockdowns and mask mandates work. Unfortunately Americans are 3-year-olds who throw a fucking fit when somebody tells them "no".

by Anonymousreply 164Last Thursday at 6:33 PM

R121 Biden needs to stop promising more lockdowns immediately. I can't think of a less popular political position.

by Anonymousreply 165Last Thursday at 6:36 PM

R165, I have to disagree. Most people are genuinely concerned about the virus. They see their loved ones getting sick and would put human life above anything else. We can sacrifice economy, prosperity and personal comfort on short run to safe lives. This why we are voting for Biden.

by Anonymousreply 166Last Thursday at 6:40 PM

R166 I think you have a bad read on public opinion. Lockdowns appeal to clueless white-collar office workers and nobody else. Maybe, max, 25% of the national pop.

by Anonymousreply 167Last Thursday at 6:42 PM

Article quoted by r163.

I’m in no mood to accept that this virus shouldn’t be taken seriously. I know two people who died from it. Both were in their early 60s and not physically frail.

by Anonymousreply 168Last Thursday at 6:42 PM

R89, I don't have any stats, and we may not see any for a while, but all I need to do is watch or read the local Pittsburgh news and there's usually a story or two on how Covid forced a local business to shut down permanently. So there is merit to the economic fear.

by Anonymousreply 169Last Thursday at 6:47 PM

R108 Obviously those with serious medical conditions or who are predisposed to genetic conditions should take their health even more seriously. But you're proposing a false analogy.

Most people don't play competitive sports. What could is living longer if you can't form connections, spend time with your friends or family, or even provide yourself a living? People were fine with lockdowns at first, but being told that you must stay locked down indefinitely even though you have no known health risks sounds silly to most people.

Those who have legitimate health concerns should seek medical attention and perhaps receive some compensation, however this shouldn't apply to everyone.

by Anonymousreply 170Last Thursday at 7:18 PM

We are going to see an explosion of flu and coronavirus in about 30 days. By Election day, all hell will have broken loose.

by Anonymousreply 171Last Thursday at 7:43 PM

Fuck that.

by Anonymousreply 172Last Thursday at 7:59 PM

If anyone thinks that Florida will lock down, you are an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 173Last Thursday at 8:08 PM

r101

[quote]4. I'm healthy and I'm free to go anywhere I want.

Hope you stay that way.

by Anonymousreply 174Last Thursday at 8:37 PM

R174 =Jealous, shaming, passive-aggressive CUNT

by Anonymousreply 175Last Thursday at 9:56 PM

R168 I don't really care what you're in the mood for. I also know two people who have passed with covid-19(84) in their system. Both of them were not physically frail either, i e had a lot of weight on them plus other health challenges.

by Anonymousreply 176Last Thursday at 10:03 PM

R168 I don't really care what you're in the mood for. I also know two people who have passed with covid-19(84) in their system. Both of them were not physically frail either, i e had a lot of weight on them plus other health challenges.

by Anonymousreply 177Last Thursday at 10:03 PM

Sweden

by Anonymousreply 178Last Thursday at 10:28 PM

[quote]China had a 8-week lock down, it worked for them

If you believed any figures/data coming out of CCP-China, which gifted us with this Corona Virus in the first place, I have a real nice ocean-front Mansion in Siberia that you can’t say ‘No’ to!

by Anonymousreply 179Last Thursday at 10:55 PM

2021 headline:

China's Population Numbers Mysteriously Dip, Dragons Blamed (No Covid Here!)

by Anonymousreply 180Last Thursday at 10:57 PM

[quote]Should officials consider lockdowns in areas with dangerous outbreaks? Absolutely. They're doing them all over the world as we speak - Spain, England, Australia, NZ. They work"

There are NO stay at home orders in Spain or England. Are you writing from the month of May?

by Anonymousreply 181Last Friday at 3:44 AM

More lockdowns so I can work from home longer please!!!

by Anonymousreply 182Last Friday at 4:20 AM

[quote]There are NO stay at home orders in Spain or England. Are you writing from the month of May?

European countries are employing "targeted lockdowns." CNN today:

The British government has announced further restrictions for certain parts of England, including the North West, West Yorkshire and Midlands to tackle rising Covid-19 infection rates. Residents from these areas will be banned from socialising with people outside of their household and support bubble.

Authorities in the Spanish capital of Madrid are to announce new coronavirus restrictions on Friday.

Local authorities in Nice have banned public gatherings of more than 10 people on beaches and in parks, as part of new measures to fight the spread of coronavirus. All bars and restaurants will have to close their doors at 12.30 a.m. local time and all visits in Nice’s public care homes have been suspended.

by Anonymousreply 183Last Friday at 4:38 AM

The test is 100 times too sensitive. It gives positive ratings for people who only have nanobits of virus that are not infectious.

The only thing that matters is the death rate that is plummeting. Cases are not important. 397 people under age 24 have died from Covid19 and that is INCLUDING all coinfections. So basically if you had SARS2 when you died you were counted.

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by Anonymousreply 184Last Friday at 5:03 AM

The second nationwide lockdown in Israel took effect Friday, tethering residents mostly to their homes in an effort to slow the spread of new infections, Reuters reports.

The second lockdown comes just ahead of the Jewish High Holidays and is set to last three weeks. The restrictions allow for worship activities but impose social distancing guidelines and capacity limits.

by Anonymousreply 185Last Friday at 5:19 AM

All the shut ins want it to happen since most of you have no friends or social life. A virus pandemic seems to do wonders for the anti-socials among us. It is not our fault that you guys suffer from social anxiety. I am all for wearing a face mask but a second lock down ain't going to happen. Sorry introverts.

by Anonymousreply 186Last Friday at 5:25 AM

F off R186, no one cares about your soooo important social life. Go and enjoy your COVID parties. Bye Gurl~

by Anonymousreply 187Last Friday at 6:07 AM

Sorry it's from the Sun, but there are local lockdowns all over the UK right now:

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by Anonymousreply 188Last Friday at 6:39 AM

Miss R186 seems very confused. She seems to equate crawling around on the floor of her local ABS, ass bared and up in the air, pre-lubed and ready for any and all takers, as being an extrovert.

by Anonymousreply 189Last Friday at 6:46 AM

If everyone would fucking wear masks like they’re supposed to we would’ve been past this virus by now this is bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 190Last Friday at 6:48 AM

R190 For the umpteenth time, the masks are a social gesture. They have medical benefit, unless they are N95 rated or higher. Make sure you're taking Vitamin D and getting some sun.

by Anonymousreply 191Last Friday at 7:57 AM

Stay home, safe lives. Where mask to sleep. You never know. The virus is here. You can’t see it but it will get you. Spooky. In your sleep.

by Anonymousreply 192Last Friday at 8:29 AM

To the very overweight DL'rs that constantly perpetrate their fear and shame re the covid

You really should try to lose some weight.

It's been proven the Rona like the fats.

PS typing on a keyboard is not exercise!

by Anonymousreply 193Last Friday at 1:10 PM

Lots of idiots out there

by Anonymousreply 194Last Friday at 1:11 PM

R183 Face mask mandates and rules about crowding are not lockdowns.

by Anonymousreply 195Last Friday at 1:17 PM

They just said on CNN today that 43% of Americans have some type of pre-existing condition.

The idea that the only people at risk are ninety years old and in a wheelchair is false. What would America look like in a year if 43% of Americans are either dead or crippled by Covid side effects and can’t work to support themselves any more? And what about the people who have no known pre-existing conditions but for some reason, they get sick or die anyway?

People keep talking about the mortality rates as of December, January or whatever. They were doing that months ago when they were projecting the July figures. Like that was the end. It wasn’t. What are the mortality rates going to be in March, July, December 2021? We’re probably looking at half a million. Maybe more.

Even if we do get a vaccine, the majority of everyday people will not be getting it for months. It will be either rich people, medical personnel, cops, firefighters and maybe some high risk people who are already seriously ill with something else. When it finally trickles down to commoners, maybe teachers or people that work high risk essential jobs. Prison guards, food workers. People that work the assembly line at food plants. If you work in an office or can work from home, you may be looking at the end of 2021. Biden said children will probably be last, because when they get Covid they usually survive. Which means they can pass it.

It’s kind of pointless to say “400,000 by the end of the year” when the end of the year signifies nothing for most people.

by Anonymousreply 196Last Friday at 1:56 PM

Go fuck yourself R191. I fucking hope you die a slow painful death.

by Anonymousreply 197Last Friday at 3:15 PM

You know why we're in this mess, 2015 Thread Bumper? Because Trump is a loser.

by Anonymousreply 198Last Friday at 10:25 PM

On Friday, Boris Johnson admitted in a speech that Britain was entering a second wave of coronavirus. It is understood that he is preparing to impose sweeping nationwide measures to curb the spread of Covid-19.

London Mayor Sadiq Khan said Friday it is "increasingly likely" that lockdown restrictions will soon be needed to slow the spread of coronavirus in London.

by Anonymousreply 199Last Saturday at 4:59 AM

I don’t know why anyone would continue to oppose lockdown when it’s already been proven worldwide how affective it is.

by Anonymousreply 200Last Saturday at 5:39 AM

r200 Tell that to the Swedes.

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by Anonymousreply 201Last Saturday at 6:49 AM

Here, in my county, school districts have been banned from having any athletic competitions.

Now, all the athletic directors, coaches, players are pissed off they can't play in this county, so they are going to schedule all games in the next county, which has no restrictions. The county health department has been getting major flak from all sides.

If I was head of the health department, I'd say to all involved: go fuck yourselves, go play your stupid games, but when the shit hits the fan, and your kids start coming down sick, don't bother to contact me as you've been fully warned.

by Anonymousreply 202Last Saturday at 6:50 AM

R202

Good point.

I’d also like to add, athletes are at huge risk because of the wear and tear on their bodies. The damage COVID-19 does to the body for many - the heart, the lungs, the brain, the muscles - is severe and that impacts athletes in many ways. This is extremely dangerous.

by Anonymousreply 203Last Saturday at 6:59 AM

What are the current restrictions in the UK/London? Are you fully open and the "lockdown" will just be moving back to limiting capacities and shutting down bars and theaters, etc.? Or, are those things still shut down and you're all going back to locking yourselves in your houses? People seem to have different definitions of "lockdown".

by Anonymousreply 204Last Saturday at 4:22 PM

Keep an open mind.

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by Anonymousreply 205Last Sunday at 9:48 PM

Fuck that.

by Anonymousreply 206Last Sunday at 9:50 PM

Amazing that this article is from the BBC. Not how the tone is finally changing...we're now getting around to "living with the virus".

"Covid: Is it time we learnt to live with the virus?"

And do see the third chart "Age standardized mortality rates"

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by Anonymousreply 207Last Monday at 6:47 AM

The Nanny state must end. No more forced lock downs. Let people go about their business, including schools at all levels and learn to live with it, as the article at R207 suggests.

by Anonymousreply 208Last Monday at 9:35 AM

Brits I think another lockdown is heading your way to coincide with the Oct/Nov School break. Seems to me the gov't may want to nip a new wave from flourishing before Xmas.

by Anonymousreply 209Last Monday at 9:44 AM

The Guardian: Ontario announced new restrictions and steep fines amid a surge of Covid-19 infections that prompted concerns that the country is losing control of the virus. Canada’s most populous province announced plans to limit the size of gatherings, reversing course on previous steps to reopen the province’s economy. The new rules reduce the size of indoor gatherings to 10, down from 50, and outdoor gatherings to 25, down from 100. A C$10,000 fine is also being implemented for organisers of “illegal” gatherings.

by Anonymousreply 210Last Monday at 9:59 AM

Reuters reports that Jordan has announced jail sentences of up to a year for anyone organizing weddings, parties, funerals or social gatherings where more than 20 people attend, in the latest measures aimed at heading off a resurgence in coronavirus cases.

by Anonymousreply 211Last Monday at 10:00 AM

I'll follow the lead of Canada and Jordan before the idiots in charge of America and the UK.

by Anonymousreply 212Last Monday at 10:08 AM

Spain: The mayor of Madrid, which has become a virus hotspot, has put parts of the capital in lockdown. The Spanish Prime Minister signaled more stringent measures could be introduced.

France: Lyon, Marseille and Bordeaux have introduced restrictions such as limiting public gatherings and prohibiting the sale of alcohol after 8 pm.

UK: Yesterday, the govt. announced that bars and restaurants much close at 10 pm. Groups of more than six people are not allowed to meet. Boris Johnson will announce further measures today -- which may include a "mini" lockdown of two weeks.

Germany: Munich has tightened rules on face masks, which must now be worn in public, and contact restrictions,

Italy: People arriving in Italy “from Paris or other parts of France with significant circulation” of the coronavirus must be tested.

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by Anonymousreply 213Yesterday at 4:34 AM

The Telegraph - UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has introduced the following measures to help restrict the spread of the coronavirus:

Office workers who can work from home should do so.

Pubs, bars and restaurants in England will be ordered to close by 10pm each night.

The hospitality sector will be restricted to table service only.

Face coverings must be worn in taxis and private hire vehicles, and by retail staff while at work.

Customers in indoor hospitality will also have to wear face coverings - except while seated at a table to eat or drink.

The exemptions to the rule of six will be reduced, banning indoor team sport - such as indoor five-a-side football matches.

The planned return of spectators to sports venues will now not go ahead from October 1.

Wedding ceremonies and receptions will be capped at 15 people from Monday.

by Anonymousreply 214Yesterday at 4:40 AM

Sounds like us

by Anonymousreply 215Yesterday at 4:43 AM

It’s about time Boris, still no broad mask mandate though

by Anonymousreply 216Yesterday at 7:45 AM

No broad mask mandates in Northern Europe either. Expect new restrictions to result in plenty of protests.

by Anonymousreply 217Yesterday at 8:54 AM

"Sweden's coronavirus pandemic 'may be finished': Danish researcher"

So much for the lockdown folly.

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by Anonymousreply 218Yesterday at 10:05 AM

EXACTLY R218. I despise Trump, but this is clearly been politicized. How are people so goddamn gullible.

by Anonymousreply 219Yesterday at 10:07 AM

Israel now surpassed the US of covid infection per capita despite having one of the strictest lockdowns in the world.

by Anonymousreply 220Yesterday at 10:09 AM

[quote]"Sweden's coronavirus pandemic 'may be finished': Danish researcher"

It's a little early to declare victory. A number of European countries drove down their case rates substantially only to see them come roaring back.

It would be nice if immunity could be acquired with far less than 60% immunity.

by Anonymousreply 221Yesterday at 10:13 AM

Sweden has some strict travel restrictions that are probably helping more than anything else in keeping out a second wave. What's hitting Europe now is travel related.

by Anonymousreply 222Yesterday at 10:15 AM

[quote]Sweden has some strict travel restrictions that are probably helping more than anything else in keeping out a second wave.

Sweden has no travel restrictions for EU members.

by Anonymousreply 223Yesterday at 10:24 AM

Sweden has banned non-essential travel to the EU until October 31. It's borders are open in the other direction, however.

by Anonymousreply 224Yesterday at 10:36 AM

All America would have had to do is sacrifice 500,000 people over 50 and we, too, could have been just like Sweden.

by Anonymousreply 225Yesterday at 10:37 AM

R225 So far there have been 2,791 deaths of people over the age of 50 in Sweden due to the virus. It would be interesting to see how that compares per capita to the US, Spain, Italy, the UK, France etc. I doubt it would be so much higher.

by Anonymousreply 226Yesterday at 11:00 AM

[quote]Keep an open mind.

Keep an open mind about a hyper-orthodox magazine calling the global response to COVID a "hoax"?

Fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 227Yesterday at 11:13 AM

Belarusian President Aleksandr Lukashenko said last month via Belarusian Telegraph Agency, BelTA., that World Bank and IMF offered him a bribe of $940 million USD in the form of “Covid Relief Aid.” In exchange for $940 million USD, the World Bank and IMF demanded that the President of Belarus: • imposed “extreme lockdown on his people” • force them to wear face masks • impose very strict curfews • impose a police state • crash the economy Belarus President Aleksandr Lukashenko refused the offer and stated that he could not accept such an offer and would put his people above the needs of the IMF and World Bank. This fact can be verified using most search engines. Now IMF and World Bank are bailing out failing airlines with billions of dollars, and in exchange, they are forcing airline CEOs to implement very strict policies such as forced face mask covers on everyone, including small children, whose health will suffer as a result of these policies.

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by Anonymousreply 228Yesterday at 12:07 PM

Trump will sell you a mask, but he won't ask you to wear one because he only wants your money and your vote, not you.

by Anonymousreply 229Yesterday at 12:09 PM

Melbourne has some of strictest and most dystopian COVID1984 restrictions in the world:

"For Melbourne, new restrictions will take effect from 6pm today (Sunday 2 August). A curfew will be in place from 8pm this evening. Curfews will be in operation from 8pm to 5am every evening. People are only allowed to leave their house for work and essential health, care or safety reasons.

Outside of these hours, you are only allowed to leave your house for 1 of the following four reasons:

1. To purchase food and necessary supplies. This must be done within a 5km radius from where you live. Only 1 person per household can leave for essential goods, and only once per day. For some people the nearest goods and services will be more than 5km away. In this situation you may travel beyond 5km to the nearest provider. If you are unable to leave home because it would mean leaving a young child or at-risk person at home unattended, then they may accompany you.

2. Exercise once a day for up to 1 hour within a 5km radius of your home. Gathering sizes will be limited to 2. If you are unable to leave home because it would mean leaving a young child or at-risk person at home unattended, then they may accompany you.

3. For care and health care including accompanying someone for essential medical care if you are a carer, guardian or necessary support person. The 5km limit does not apply to care or caregiving.

4. Work. Study at TAFE and university must be done remotely. The 5km limit does not apply to work."

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by Anonymousreply 230Yesterday at 12:17 PM

Locking down again is not going to happen. It doesn't seem to help and people ignore it anyway. Also, the virus has proven to not be as deadly as they thought. It seems silly that we locked down to begin with over it. And I'm speaking as someone who knows a few people who had it and one who died from it. I think it was good we locked down at first since we didn't really know what was going to happen. But now that we know, locking down again is pointless.

by Anonymousreply 231Yesterday at 12:23 PM

watch this. nothing new under the sun.

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by Anonymousreply 232Yesterday at 12:28 PM

"locking down again is pointless."

Exactly.

Thread closed.

by Anonymousreply 233Yesterday at 12:34 PM

[quote]the virus has proven to not be as deadly as they thought ... And I'm speaking as someone who knows a few people who had it and one who died from it.

Uh-huh.

by Anonymousreply 234Yesterday at 1:11 PM

R106, we LOVE to see it 🤣🤣

Let whitey seethe because they can't go to yoga or the bar 🤣🤣

by Anonymousreply 235Yesterday at 2:23 PM

I saw a lady this morning at Walmart. Not wearing a mask. She already looked half dead and like a Trumpster. There's that.

But I do think we will all have to get it. That's the only way thru it. It will not vanish. Watch the plague video.

by Anonymousreply 236Yesterday at 2:25 PM

People who intentionally spread COVID disinformation should be buried alive in mass graves.

Russian trolls would be exempt, because living in Russia is punishment enough.

by Anonymousreply 237Yesterday at 2:40 PM

Lol gaping hole

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by Anonymousreply 238Yesterday at 2:40 PM

[quote] Also, the virus has proven to not be as deadly as they thought. It seems silly that we locked down to begin with over it.

Also we have had more deaths than anywhere else in the world and we’re not done yet! Also winter is coming and the flu season will kick into high gear when it’s expected that things will spike again! Also people are getting lazy and not social distancing and not wear masks again because they are SO SICK of them!

Do I think we’ll have another lockdown? Unlikely.

Do I think it will be a simple as wear a mask and social distance? No.

I think we will end up somewhere in between.

2,900 people died on September 11th mourned. Over 200,000 people have died of COVID and it didn’t have to be that way nor is it done and some of you are firmly in the, “So what? Who cares!” lane and it is sad.

by Anonymousreply 239Yesterday at 3:00 PM

* I really wish I hadn’t of typed R239 on my cell. Ugh.

by Anonymousreply 240Yesterday at 3:01 PM

Trump asked today about America passing 200,000 dead:

"I think if we didn't do it properly and didn't do it right we'd have two and a half million dead ... but this should have never happened, China should have never let it out."

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