Repeal and Replace?

TrumpDoesn'tCare

There would have to be a replacement if Obamacare is repealed.

Republicans don’t want to help anyone. Repeal and let the free market decide how to provide so called “healthcare” to the ones who can afford it in a way to best maximize profits.

The Republicans are like that creature on the wing of the plane in twilight zone. They just want to tear up the engine.

Obviously, if there was a super-dooper tremendously big and beautiful health insurance replacement - the idiot would parroting it as part of his re-election campaign.

There's not. There's NO plan for ANYTHING.

[quote]There would have to be a replacement if Obamacare is repealed.

Yeah, it'll be whatever existed before the ACA came into being.

Nah, OP. If you haven’t noticed Republicans are mostly silent on healthcare now. They’re not replacing Obamacare, they know the deplorables Are by far the biggest population benefiting from it, and that’s their base. They’re not going to do anything to healthcare.

The ACA is flawed, but the Republicans have no plan on this issue. Never did.

Obamacare with its individual mandate and continued dependence on private insurance companies, IS the GOP health plan.

That's why the GOP can't come up with an alternative in over 10 years!

The GOP understands that covering preexisting conditions is very popular in the US so lie, lie, lie that it's included in their "secret health plan that will be released any day now!"

There's no way preexisting conditions can be included without the individual mandate to pay for the increased costs---unless those with preexisting conditions pay a huge amount more...which will just lead them to drop coverage.

[quote] If you haven’t noticed Republicans are mostly silent on healthcare now. They’re not replacing Obamacare, they know the deplorables Are by far the biggest population benefiting from it, and that’s their base. They’re not going to do anything to healthcare.

No, it’s because they don’t have control of the House. There’s absolutely no point for anyone to stick their neck out while that’s the case.

I am confused R11. Republicans had control of the house and senate up until 2018. Why didn't the assholes do anything then?

Or should that be "You" assholes?

The outrage has nothing to do with politics and policies... no positioning perceptions on some continuum of left and right, socialism and capitalism. The outrage is that he looks America in the face and blatantly lies, and Republicans either agree with the lie and slide away into the darkness without questioning it.

There never was "a beautiful plan to replace Obamacare"... his relentless assertions notwithstanding. So again, last night... "we have a plan that covers pre-existing conditions." It's been almost four years. No plan. Just a lie.

There are Trump supporters on DL - not just the annoying trolls. How do you defend this lie?

R12 “Repeal and Replace” was a fine platform for the 2012 election. The ACA wasn’t implemented yet, so if Romney had won the election, it would have happened. I will say that it’s telling that implementation of the ACA was delayed until after the 2012 election.

It was irresponsible to keep saying “repeal and replace” once Romney lost. It was no longer a realistic goal, but it won them votes, so they kept saying it. Then they got caught with their pants down when trump won in 2016 and they had no plan.

R14 At this point, the legacy of ACA is clear. It hasn’t eliminated the uninsured. Insurance is vastly more expensive now and rising every year with no end in sight. That said, it’s true that the GOP has no plan. But the Dem plan isn’t to keep the ACA, it is to nationalize healthcare. So it’s not like it’s a bad plan (Dems) vs. no plan (GOP.) it’s replacing a bad plan with too much government with a worse plan with even more government (Dems) vs. de facto keeping the bad plan with too much government (GOP.)

That said, we don’t get to vote for issues a la carte. For me, the immigration issue is simply more important. If I had a choice to build a wall and exclude all new immigrants for 20 years, but in return I had to allow single payer healthcare, I’d make that bargain in a heartbeat. It’s just a bit more complex than I think you’re realizing r14.

What is your solution, r15?

R15 Nice try. The rate of healthcare costs were going up 10% a year before the ACA, that rate has been lowered. Are healthcare costs going up? Yes. Are they higher now than if ACA had not been passed? No reputable study would conclude that.

Again, my point was beyond the content of the issues, how can Republicans (you) accept what are transparently lies told to manipulate voters. You demonstrated my concern. There is no wall. There will be no wall. There are a few new miles connecting to previously existing barriers and the usual replacement of failing walls. Bannon and his group illegally scammed and pocketed lots of money to build a "private wall".... all BS. There are forced hysterectomies, which I guess appeals to MAGA-immigration voters on some visceral levels.

But again- there is no immigration reform (Obama deported as many "undocumented" as Trump has), there will be no wall, there is no "perfect healthcare plan", the coronavirus will not "simply go away".... any reasonable person will see a series of lies. And Trump supporters "make a bargain" to accept it in order to.....??? To do what? The stock market is up, and there are more Americans unemployed than any time in our history.

If you all don't stop co-signing the lies, we are entering an Orwellian dystopia...

Stupid liberals. Our plan allows for a significant savings and unique personal care.

I hope that was a joke.

R15 is a conservative moron.

Sorry to break it to you but ACA with the individual mandate and focus on private insurance IS the Republican plan. It was developed by the conservative Heritage Foundation, supported by the GOP as its plan against Hillary Care, and was implemented successfully by a GOP governor in Massachusetts.

Yes, it has stabilized prices but millions are still uninsured. Its biggest problem is continued reliance on private health insurance, which ultimately leads to 30 cents of every dollar going to profits and administration.

On the other hand, single payer covers everyone and will save $400 BILLION, yes BILLION, PER YEAR on Admin costs alone.

So, when the GOP says it has a better plan, it is lying, as we now see from over 10 years of ACA and the GOP has nothing to show for it. NOTHING.

[quote] it’s replacing a bad plan with too much government with a worse plan with even more government (Dems) vs. de facto keeping the bad plan with too much government (GOP.)

And what would be a better plan that doesn't include government? We've tried health insurance with little government involvement. It was a disaster and led directly to the creation of the Veterans Administration, Medicare, and Medicaid. Because Vets, the elderly, and the poor cost the most with regards to healthcare, private insurance just ignored them. So, the government had to step in.

My German, socialist as some of the US people call it, public health care pays my complete cancer treatment. My 16 chemo treatments alone will cost approximately 30.000 Euros. Everything is covered. The only thing I pay is my monthly fee, which is taken away from my salary monthly. The other half is paid by the company. I pay 14.6 percent of my brutto income for this. I really do not understand, why the US is not able to create a system like this, which btw also exists in other European countries. Everybody, up to a defined yearly income has to be part of the system. Even people with their own business sometimes choose to be a member of the public Healthcare because it is not getting more expensive during lifetime like private insurance. If you want a single bedroom at the hospital, the Professor as your doctor and other additional stuff you can take an additional private insurance.

[quote] I really do not understand, why the US is not able to create a system like this, which btw also exists in other European countries.

Two simple reasons: Huge profits and whites not wanting to pay for the healthcare of minorities. (Yes, they think all minorities are poor, all whites, rich)

That creepy Frankenstein-headed, pedo-looking Louisiana Senator Bill Cassidy has the temerity to flood Louisiana airwaves with his boring commercials touting his "leadership" on healthcare and "attempts" to lower the costs of healthcare in the US. Pffft.

Everybody (everybody normal, that is) here is like, you tank-headed, squinchy-eyed bastard, what the FUCK have you been doing since you stole that seat from Mary Landrieu?

And his constant flogging of his physician credentials? My Dad's caregiver worked with Cassidy at the late, lamented Earl K. Long Hospital, and tells us what a rancid, high-handed, racist POS he was, who is not nearly as talented as he thinks he is.

Yes R24. Go ahead and make this about race, dumbass. I can't even fathom how you made that jump.

Oh, that is right, hatred. What a wonderful life you must have.

R21 I don't care who came up with the idea. I care about who implements it and makes sure it is successful. Republicans fall off the map. They are too busy kissing trump's ass in hopes of getting the votes of his base. What a bunch of fucking losers.

R21 If it's the Republican plan then why didn't Republicans pass it anywhere but super liberal Massachusetts?

R17 The Republicans do suck on immigration. The wall appears to have been one big fat lie from Trump. So the slow motion invasion continues unabated. If Joe Biden promised to build a wall I'd gladly switch my vote, but I don't see that happening.

[quote]There would have to be a replacement if Obamacare is repealed.

You're very young, aren't you?

R16 I haven't really thought of it, but as a male, I don't understand why I have to buy a plan that includes coverage for women's reproductive health.

Maybe I'd say make it legal for companies to be more flexible in the benefits their plans cover so people can choose a plan appropriate for them instead of paying for things they'll never use? Definitely need less regulation, not more.

Oh god, another libertarian to stink up the joint.

R31 Viagra is not required to be covered by the Affordable Care Act though.

I'm not libertarian; I'm conservative!

Denial, agony, thoughts and prayers before and at funerals.

If people aren’t up in arms about 200,000 deaths, what are a few million more as long as the healthcare industry profits?

Gloom, despair, and agony on me

Deep, dark depression, excessive misery

If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all

Gloom, despair, and agony on me

Maybe you should buy your own health insurance and stop expecting everybody else to take care of you, you lazy fucking worthless piece of shit.

Free market and PRICE/COST VISIBILITY (A MUST!) on insurances and actual clinical charges.

Defacto (R32) is such an ass. WTF is your problem? Your kind of "conservatism" stinks. GTFOOH.

[Quote] If it's the Republican plan then why didn't Republicans pass it anywhere but super liberal Massachusetts?

Since republicans have been adamant that there was actually no healthcare problem despite prices rising and 1/6th of America being uninsured just before ACA passed, Republican states didn’t even consider healthcare reform.

Massachusetts., which is often the first in the nation to enact progressive health care policies, saw the need to cover as many people as possible. Romney used the Heritage Foundation’s plan and got it passed in MA.

It only became evil to the GOP when Obama proposed it.

[Quote] Free market and PRICE/COST VISIBILITY (A MUST!) on insurances and actual clinical charges.

Health economists are unanimous that the free market does not and will not work in healthcare. Healthcare is just too complex for the average person to make major decisions about on their own. Just revealing all the pricing isn’t enough info to someone to make an informed decision.

Also what happens in the event of an emergency? Should I be looking up the costs of various services as an ambulance is taking me to the hospital after a car crash?

[Quote] Maybe you should buy your own health insurance and stop expecting everybody else to take care of you, you lazy fucking worthless piece of shit.

Um, how do you think health insurance works?

When you have a heart attack and are in the hospital for two weeks, who do you think pays for your $100k bill? Your health insurance premiums don’t even come close. Everyone paid their premiums so their money can be used to pay YOUR bill.

If Obamacare were so easy to Repeal and Replace, it would have been done by now. Period.

The GOP and Trump don’t have a plan and they never will. Period.

The GOP clearly is only interested in the “repeal” part. Individuals are on their own paying for their care. Too bad for you people with pre-existing conditions or catastrophic bills. It’s God’s way of telling you you shouldn’t be here.

R29 and others - The tenets of the ACA are no pre-existing conditions and no lifetime maximum. Before that, the only people who had health insurance were healthy. I will give you a personal story. My nephew had Leukemia. Had there been the lifetime cap my brother, his wife, my niece and my nephew would no longer be able to get insurance because it was almost 1 million dollars in costs to get him to remission. He was seriously considering moving to Canada if the ACA did not pass. The other tenets, allowing your children to be covered under your health insurance up until the age of 26 was also a boon. Even those of us who have insurance through work - were still subject to approvals for treatment, a lifetime cap on costs and pre-existing conditions (meaning if you had cancer you literally could not leave your job because a new job's insurance would not include you).

ACA is a huge step forward just for human dignity.

We can get better next

The GOP better support ACA because if it gets overturned and the GOP has some shitty quickly stitched together plan, nothing will push us faster to single payer than that

R39 Right. It's not too much of a stretch to put forward an analogy like this: "private marketplace construction of highways would be a fucking disaster"

We have a beautiful plan that we’ll announce in two weeks, maybe less.

r45 the GOP has gutted the ACA - repeatedly. As others have said - the GOP had the house, the senate and the presidency for 2 years and did nothing. Obama had that his first two years and not only got the aca passed but saved the fucking economy -and stimulated job growth that Trump inherited and called his own.

This had been the GOP's mantra for so long - Paul Ryan even had a tramp stamp displaying the saying "Repeal and Replace". After it's failure he turned it into a bouquet of roses.

[quote][R16] I haven't really thought of it, but as a male, I don't understand why I have to buy a plan that includes coverage for women's reproductive health.

This sort of stupidity is why we can't have basic things like healthcare in the US.

r116. It is called solidarity. Because the women will pay for your cancer treatment as well.

Sorry, meant r30

Defacto, like most libertarians, can't see the forest for the trees.

[quote]It hasn’t eliminated the uninsured.

And it was never intended to eliminate the uninsured; it was intended to make healthcare affordable (hence, it's called the Affordable Care Act) and it has done that in spades. No, not for everyone; it left the extreme poor to the graces of state governments to expand Medicare, which was the critical error in the ACA (Democrats always have faith that politicians will do the right thing for their constituents, and are proven wrong consistently).

[quote]Insurance is vastly more expensive now and rising every year with no end in sight.

Vastly? Not exactly. You have to account for the conditions of the market prior to the ACA, wherein premiums were increasing between 10% and 25% per year and that was based on an extremely high rate to begin with. For instance, before the ACA went into effect, my husband and I were paying $2400 per month for our family plan, and our agent told us the premiums for 2014 were going to be $2800. When the ACA kicked in, we cut our health insurance by more than half. We are [italic]still[/italic] not paying as much as we did in 2013.

[quote]That said, it’s true that the GOP has no plan.

Their plan was the ACA until Obama said it was workable; they then demonized their own plan (hence the name Obamacare).

[quote]But the Dem plan isn’t to keep the ACA, it is to nationalize healthcare.

That's not what Joe Biden says. That's not the Democratic platform. And that is a tragedy because the only comprehensive solution to our healthcare crisis is single payer nationalized healthcare. The dilemma is that insurance (not healthcare, insurance) is 20% of our economy. We could provide every man, woman (and everything in between, to be clear) and child with quality healthcare if we nationalized healthcare and eliminated the for-profit insurance industry. And that would plunge the economy into a depression (and that's before Coronavirus struck). So, the only answer is to slowly increase the existing socialized healthcare program — Medicare — until it covers everybody.

Biden has supported reducing the Medicare eligibility age to 60, but the best thing he could do for both the solvency of Medicare as well as the American people would be to put a plan in place to immediately reduce the age of eligibility to 55 or even 50, and then continue to reduce the age by a few years every year until we cover everybody.

Insurance companies would have to find other ways to separate people from their assets which, given enough time, they'll somehow manage. They always do.