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Eastern Europe

Which country is the least white trash of them all? Are they the trailer trash or Europe?

Is the rest of Europe embarrassed by them?

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by Anonymousreply 183Last Wednesday at 4:00 PM

Estonia.

by Anonymousreply 109/12/2020

They are proof that Europeans are not as advanced as they think.

by Anonymousreply 209/12/2020

They are the Deep South of Europe.

by Anonymousreply 309/12/2020

We don't want them here.

by Anonymousreply 409/12/2020

Slovenia be best.

by Anonymousreply 509/12/2020

Estonia - more like a Nordic country than Eastern European.

by Anonymousreply 609/12/2020

R1 beat me to it. I was filled with dread when I had to go there on a work trip and I ended up loving it. I've gone back twice on my own time. It feels similar to Finland to me, but with happy people.

by Anonymousreply 709/12/2020

It gets progressively worse the further east you go.

by Anonymousreply 809/12/2020

Product of Estonia

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by Anonymousreply 909/12/2020

@tomzalac (r) and high school friend in Croatia, where they grew up.

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by Anonymousreply 1009/12/2020

I’m so glad my European ancestors came from non hillbilly Europe

by Anonymousreply 1109/12/2020

The Iron Curtain was their Mason-Dixon line.

by Anonymousreply 1209/12/2020

I had a friend in Finland who told me how wonderful Estonia is. I always thought the Czech Republic was considered progressive, but is that just because of the pron?

by Anonymousreply 1309/12/2020

R13, the Czech Republic doesn't belong on this list. They're Central European, much more progressive, and would not want to be lumped in with these other bad news bears.

by Anonymousreply 1409/12/2020

Hungarians have a certain elegance of character and manners - when they are not right wing nationalists, that is. All the Eastern countries can of course produce male beauties. The Baltics hardly seem "Eastern Europe" at all anymore. The Czechs and Slovaks don't have much violence or machismo. They are very soft cultures.

by Anonymousreply 1509/12/2020

Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, and Slovakia are Central Europe.

by Anonymousreply 1609/12/2020

[quote] I’m so glad my European ancestors came from non hillbilly Europe

Oh so they didn’t come from the British Isles? That’s where are the hillbillies came from.

by Anonymousreply 1709/12/2020

Anything east of Transylvania in Romania is a place to steer clear of. I can tell you that after a year in Romania. No Moldova, Ukraine, or Russia...they are no man's land. Little liberal minded towns however are scattered all over in a sea of backwardness.

I would say many Slavs (excluding the ones south of the Black Sea) are white trash and about 70 percent of Hungarians.

Romanian women don't have the trashy and tacky gene due to their Latin heritage and are somewhat more similar to Italians from the region around Rome, so I can't see similarity between them and the Russian women I have seen in LA with flashy cars who marry rich old geezers. They also make fun of Slavs the way we do of Melania.

The Baltic countries are really more Nordic than Eastern European countries according to most folks here like Hugarians, Romanians and folks from the Balkans. Czechs also don't belong on this list, as they are more central European but have a trashy Slavic gene if you leave the big city.

by Anonymousreply 1809/12/2020

[quote] according to most folks here like Hugarians,

There’s a DL Freudian slip if there ever was one.

by Anonymousreply 1909/12/2020

Every time I think of Eastern Europe I think of the movie Hostel

by Anonymousreply 2009/12/2020

[quote] I would say many Slavs (excluding the ones south of the Black Sea) are white trash

Not as white as they think/claim. They have more Romani and Turkish blood than they would care to know about.

by Anonymousreply 2109/12/2020

Poland has its nice parts.

by Anonymousreply 2209/12/2020

R14, Thanks. I remember one of the posters on the old Atkol forums took the time to differentiate between Central Europe and Eastern Europe, so I'm glad for the confirmation.

by Anonymousreply 2309/12/2020

Does anyone remember that really hot mod on Manvox who was always posting his nudes? What country was he from?

by Anonymousreply 2409/12/2020

Prague is fine but the rest of the country is a cesspool of racism, xenophobia and backwards thinking.

I know it’s Central Europe but it’s on the map, so.

by Anonymousreply 2509/12/2020

I've been to every EE country except Belarus, Moldova, and Russia. I feel it's a tie between Estonia and Latvia. Also, living in Europe taught me western Europe's progressive and refined reputation is unearned. Lots of trashy and backwoods mouth breathers can be found in the UK, France, Germany and Italy.

by Anonymousreply 2609/12/2020

It sounds shitty

by Anonymousreply 2709/13/2020

r26 UK is white trash central.

by Anonymousreply 2809/13/2020

Every time Andrei and Elizabeth talk about his homeland of Moldova on 90 Day Fiance, my mind flashes to this scene.

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by Anonymousreply 2909/13/2020

bump

by Anonymousreply 3009/13/2020

What is Bulgaria like?

by Anonymousreply 3109/13/2020

Czechia is shockingly conservative

by Anonymousreply 3209/13/2020

I have an older neighbor lady friend who says her parents were from Latvia. Her name is Helle and I had guessed her to be Scandinavian but I don't know much about Latvia though.

by Anonymousreply 3309/13/2020

[quote] What is Bulgaria like?

They named their capital after one of The Golden Girls characters. Tells you all you need to know about them.

by Anonymousreply 3409/13/2020

No but you should be embarrassed OP by your ignorant post.

by Anonymousreply 3509/13/2020

Shithole

by Anonymousreply 3609/13/2020

Bulgaria is very much what you would expect of an EE country. Most of the people are nice, but there's a lot of poverty and a glaring wealth gap.

by Anonymousreply 3709/13/2020

Unfortunately these countries suffered grievously under the Nazis and/or Soviets and some made better progress than others during and after the occupation. Anything over there outside the EU is best avoided. Within the EU the Czech Republic has a good reputation for business and tourism. I fucked a very nice Latvian and he fucked me very well (while he was fucking me, I thought I was in love with him), so I'll put in a good word for Latvia.

by Anonymousreply 3809/13/2020

Slovenia is less trashy by one since a particular cunt emigrated for a fuck job in the USA.

by Anonymousreply 3909/13/2020

Moldova. I lived there for a year. Poorest country in Europe. A complete disaster.

by Anonymousreply 4009/13/2020

Hot dumb men, but they're all uncut so don't waste your time.

by Anonymousreply 4109/13/2020

Of course they're uncut, R41, all of the developed world is. It's not the 19th century anymore.

by Anonymousreply 4209/13/2020

good lord, a year in Moldova is something I wouldn't wish on anyone.

by Anonymousreply 4309/13/2020

There is no "Central Europe". There is East and West. Czech Rep., Hungary, Poland, Croatia, all EASTERN EUROPE.

by Anonymousreply 4409/13/2020

There is no "Central Europe". There is East and West. Czech Rep., Hungary, Poland, Croatia, all EASTERN EUROPE.

by Anonymousreply 4509/13/2020

What happens in Moldova?

by Anonymousreply 4609/13/2020

R44 agree. Even if Czech Republic is central (ish) on the map, having spent time there for work it definitely has an Eastern Europe state of mind. Outside of Prague, anyone who is not white and straight and/or dressed well is gawped at like a zoo animal.

by Anonymousreply 4709/13/2020

[quote] What happens in Moldova?

What happens in Moldova stays in Moldova.

by Anonymousreply 4809/13/2020

[quote] many Slavs (excluding the ones south of the Black Sea)

Given that Turkey and Georgia make up the southern shore of the Black Sea, which Slavs are you talking about R18?

Are you the Brit who lives in Romania?

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by Anonymousreply 4909/13/2020

R31, we're ruled by the mafia which has destroyed anything positive about this country in the past 30 years. We used to have lovely nature but the mafia-owned vonstruction and tourism companies are quickly destroying what's left of it.

That being said, America doesn't look too good from over here too. Perhaps the people in coastal areas are rich and progressive, but the rest...

by Anonymousreply 5009/13/2020

*construction

by Anonymousreply 5109/13/2020

The Hungarians and Czechs were integral parts of the Austro-Hungarian empire and thus more Central European in outlook than other Eastern Europeans.

The Hungarians are also not Slavs

That said, while Prague and Budapest feel very cosmopolitan and Western, once you get out into the countryside, it's definitely more like Euro-ppalachia.

by Anonymousreply 5209/13/2020

Definitely hygiene issues amongst the population. Worse than France if you can believe it.

by Anonymousreply 5309/13/2020

Serbia, Romania, Albania, Hungary. All vying for #1 Top Eurotrash Nation (Eastern Division).

by Anonymousreply 5409/13/2020

Are Eastern Europeans trashy because of their farming/peasant roots or is there more to their trashiness?

by Anonymousreply 5509/13/2020

The industrial revolution and development of a strong middle class mostly bypassed Eastern Europe R55, so they were old school peasants up through World War 2.

Then after WW2, they got swept up by the Soviets so again never developed a middle class and then capitalism was thrust on them.

Basically they're still catching up and the rural areas can feel like you've stepped through a time warp.

But spend some time with 30something professionals in Budapest or Prague and their lives and habits are not much different from Americans.

by Anonymousreply 5609/13/2020

A year in Moldova. I should write my memoir about it.

by Anonymousreply 5709/13/2020

So even the middle class are trashy, R56?

by Anonymousreply 5809/13/2020

A lot of the middle and upper classes were deported and/or murdered by the Nazis and Soviets.

by Anonymousreply 5909/13/2020

Hey what about Transnistria R55?

by Anonymousreply 6009/13/2020

Depends on how you define "middle class" R58

People who've gone to college and are lawyers, bankers, media executives, etc. (and are under 40) are far more like us.

Factory workers in rural areas are not

by Anonymousreply 6109/13/2020

[quote] A lot of the middle and upper classes were deported and/or murdered by the Nazis and Soviets.

70-80 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 6209/13/2020

Even the ones that escaped Eastern Europe stayed true to their trashy roots. Western Canada is filled with the descendants of Polish, Ukrainian, Russian, Mennonite immigrants and who basically did nothing but farm or work in factory/natural resource jobs like the oil patch.

by Anonymousreply 6309/13/2020

After that R62 they lived in the Workers' Paradise where middle and upper class people were discriminated against. They've only been free of the Soviets for 30 years and even after the USSR collapsed a lot of old commies carried on in power. Look at Belarus.

by Anonymousreply 6409/13/2020

Wasn't Fiddler on the Roof filmed in Moldova? They left for New York and Chicago in the end, no surprise.

by Anonymousreply 6509/13/2020

Agreed R64.

What I have found (pre-Covid I was in Prague and Budapest a couple times a year for work) is that college graduates-with-good-jobs under 40 in those cities tend to be very Western and have often lived in the UK, France or even the US for a while and generally spoke excellent English, but those in their 50s and up still felt very Soviet/Eastern Bloc. Gross generalization of course, but largely the case.

by Anonymousreply 6609/13/2020

Yes R62 but did you get any cock-action and bum-fun?

by Anonymousreply 6709/13/2020

Several teachers during my Prague college years admonished me for using the word EASTERN to qualify the country, R45. We are in Central Europe, they said.

by Anonymousreply 6809/13/2020

Poles are frequently very provincial and close-minded; however, most have a solid work ethic and are honest people with a moral compass.

I'm not sure I would say that about many others in Eastern Europe. Criminals and cut-throats, many of them.

by Anonymousreply 6909/13/2020

R68 That's what they want you to believe. Czechs are somewhat ashamed of their Slavic heritage. It reminds me of a conversation I had with a Polish acquaintance of mine, who told me that Czechs are much more cosmopolitan than the Poles and they also want to be perceived that way. To make a point, they also threw religon overboard as most of the country is atheist. They also love to consume US media and try to imitate the Western lifestyle.

by Anonymousreply 7009/13/2020

[quote] To make a point, they also threw religon overboard as most of the country is atheist. They also love to consume US media and try to imitate the Western lifestyle.

Good for them.

by Anonymousreply 7109/13/2020

Countries in the Austro-Hungarian Empire did have the industrial revolution and did have civil servant, professional and merchant middle classes, before the Soviet occupations. It wasn't the serf situation of Russia for crissakes.

by Anonymousreply 7209/13/2020

Why do you ask OP? Are you thinking of some sex tourism when they let us travel there again?

by Anonymousreply 7309/13/2020

what about romania? I fucked a closeted romanian guy, and later found out he had a profile on plenty of fish looking for girls, he was really good looking with beautiful blond hair and blue eyes, and the taste of his cum was amazing. so i would like to visit romania and see if i can get me a romanian beefcake.

by Anonymousreply 7409/13/2020

Moldova is the worst of everything that ever existed.

Because they sit between Europe & Asia, they have been raped & looted by everyone since the dawn of time. I mean *everyone.* There’s no one who hasn’t had a piece of Moldova. Anyone who ever amounted to anything in Moldova was taken away as a slave to someplace else. Moldovans are the ones they left behind because they weren’t even worth having as slaves. Even now they’re not worth anything because they’ve all sold a kidney. It’s illegal to sell both kidneys, so they just sit around in their villages waiting to die.

by Anonymousreply 7509/13/2020

[quote] Wasn't Fiddler on the Roof filmed in Moldova?

Nope, it was filmed in Croatia.

by Anonymousreply 7609/13/2020

How sad R75 but Transnistria sounds worse.

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by Anonymousreply 7709/13/2020

R74, the Romanian countryside is very beautiful, so there is that.

by Anonymousreply 7809/13/2020

Summer of my Transnistrian soldier. He was blonde, blue-eyed, hung like a horse, hairless, with honeyed breath and a fragrant hole that smelled of lavender and melon. Those late evening strolls on the boulevards of Tiraspol! Sodomy in the rose gardens behind the public baths.

by Anonymousreply 7909/13/2020

R74 = R79

by Anonymousreply 8009/13/2020

R75 I lived there. Are you Moldovan?

by Anonymousreply 8109/13/2020

OP - not that you're a bigot or anything, eh?

by Anonymousreply 8209/13/2020

R75, you should work for the Travel Bureau!

by Anonymousreply 8309/13/2020

Come to Moldova if you ever wondered what it was like to be so poor & unwanted that the slave traders of Europe, Turkey, Central Asia & Mongolia don’t want you. Not even Russia or the Caucasus want you, which is pretty low.The USSR didn’t want Moldova, but it was part of a package deal to end WW2. It was an offer they literally couldn’t refuse. It came with Romania & Albania and a side of fries.

by Anonymousreply 8409/13/2020

Provincetown is full of HOT Bulgarian men working in service jobs like peddle cab drivers.

So, no beef with them!

Also: EVERY Euro country has trash in it...I mean, you can't get much trashier than some of the chavs in the UK.

by Anonymousreply 8509/13/2020

R85, true. Nothing worse than a young English tourist looking for fun. Not even the worst Russians are as feared as these drunk, violent, condescending, lordly pricks.

Thanks for the good words about Bulgarian men!

by Anonymousreply 8609/13/2020

Rogan on Harlem Hookups sampled some hot Bulgarians ... I think the lead was called Gencho (see link).

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by Anonymousreply 8709/13/2020

R49 - I am not a Brit living in Romania, I am an American living here. I meant south of Transylvania towards the Black Sea...ugh.

by Anonymousreply 8809/13/2020

This thread is making me feel sorry for poor Moldova.

by Anonymousreply 8909/13/2020

Apparently they like to draw penises everywhere in Moldova.

by Anonymousreply 9009/13/2020

Some more hot Bulgars with their boy.

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by Anonymousreply 9109/13/2020

Moldova sounds moldy

by Anonymousreply 9209/13/2020

These men are both Moldovan of the same age. Which one is more typical?

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by Anonymousreply 9309/13/2020

Got it R88

Is there a big expat community there or did you move to Romania to be with your Romanian boyfriend/partner/husband?

Budapest and Prague have sizable expat communities, both Americans, Canadians and Brits working for multinational companies and artist types taking advantage of the cheap(er) cost of living--though the latter is not nearly as common as it was 20 years ago when the cost of living really was cheaper. But still, you can easily spend your days inside the expat bubble

What is Bucharest like as an expat?

by Anonymousreply 9409/13/2020

Is Prague or Budapest a better city to visit?

by Anonymousreply 9509/13/2020

Tough call R95. Both are beautiful cities

Prague is way overtouristed and Czech food is mediocre.

Budapest is not quite as overrun (though packs of drunken chavvy Brits on drinking holidays abound both places) and Hungarian food is much, much better.

But Hungary is run by an autocrat who makes Trump look like a defender of freedom and liberty.

As a tourist you will not see that though. There's no secret police, you will see signs protesting things the government has done and Hungarians will bitch about Orban to you and all that. And Budapest does not have the homeless and migrant issues that you have in other European cities--it's very safe.

You can easily see both and I would also try and get to Vienna too--it's only about 2-3 hours by train from Budapest.

by Anonymousreply 9609/13/2020

I am completely biased since I lived in Prague, but Prague for sure. Budapest feels a little dreary to me. In Prague try to avoid the main tourist spots (or see them quickly and early morning) and see the rest of the city. Amazing spots all around. The 7th district is the best to stay/eat out.

by Anonymousreply 9709/13/2020

Ha! The 7th District in Budapest (the Jewish Quarter) also has the best restaurants/night life. It's a little touristy in spots, but if you stay away from the more well known Ruin Bars, you'll avoid most of the aforementioned drunken Brits.

by Anonymousreply 9809/13/2020

Croatia is also Central Europe.

by Anonymousreply 9909/13/2020

R93. I a year I never saw a Moldovan man who looked anything like the man on the left. The man on the right is fake but not far off.

by Anonymousreply 10009/13/2020

R14 is right, the Czech Republic doesn't belong on the list. As for Estonia, and the other Baltic countries, they like to think of themselves as "Scandinavian", but they definitely are not, nor are they "like a Nordic country". They're more "Russia-lite".

by Anonymousreply 10109/13/2020

[quote] Anything east of Transylvania in Romania is a place to steer clear of.

Well, no shit--Dracula is there!!!

by Anonymousreply 10209/13/2020

[quote] Moldova is the worst of everything that ever existed.

My friend agrees with you. He is Jewish and his parents grew up there. His dad was frequently mocked for being Jewish and yes, that country is cold, literally and figuratively. I think it's the poorest country in Europe, poorer than Georgia.

by Anonymousreply 10309/13/2020

An escort from Albania will run you approx US$40 for the night. Even on a fixed income you can have some fun there!

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by Anonymousreply 10409/13/2020

Croatia is supposed to be beautiful and have handsome men, but they are fairly homophobic still.

by Anonymousreply 10509/13/2020

I’m not kidding there really are entire villages in Moldova where all the men have 1 kidney. For some reason, they don’t want the women to sell their kidneys. I guess in case their one kidney goes bad — they want to have a donor.

by Anonymousreply 10609/13/2020

Estonia, Latvia and Litva are Baltic countrues and are considered Nordic rather than Eastern European here in Europe.

However, when we're talking about Central Europe, it is absolutely a thing but there are two distinct halves - the Eastern one (Poland, Chechia, Croatia, Hungary) which used to be under heavy Soviet influence, and then there's the Western Central Europe - Germany and Austria. They have tons in common in terms of deep historical culture but also a ton of differences due to the recent Soviet wounds/lack thereof.

by Anonymousreply 10709/13/2020

A friend of mine is Albanian. The country was cut off from the world when the communists were in power. You couldn't visit and you couldn't leave. They didn't even compete in the Olympics then.

That said, my friend is gorgeous, black hair, brown eyes, a stunning face, built, swarthy, hairy (even hairier beneath the zipper, he tells me) and his enormous cockhead pushes hard on his jeans. I am falling all over myself and caught in the middle of "gay friend" to "gay man who wants the bed you".

How many other Albanian men have been hidden from us? He tells me Albanians have migrated to southern Italy for generations. Anyone else with some experience with them?

by Anonymousreply 10809/13/2020

You’re an idiot , r55/r63. The descendants of Ukrainian and Polish farmers are multi millionaire farmers, or business owners, or professionals. There are thousands of Polish and Ukrainian dentists, physicians, lawyers, judges, bankers, accountants, etc. across the prairies.

by Anonymousreply 10909/13/2020

Chechia, R107?

by Anonymousreply 11009/13/2020

The women would have to stop catering to their men's every need for more than one minute so they can't donate. I'd love to figure out a way to sell Moldovan wine in the US and send money that actually reaches those villages.

by Anonymousreply 11109/13/2020

Well, here we are: sex tourists, please speak up and say it all; that's what we came for.

by Anonymousreply 11209/13/2020

[quote] Anyone else with some experience with them?

Yes, they’re gangsters. But we pretty much leave them alone & go after black Americans instead.

by Anonymousreply 11309/13/2020

R110: the Chech republic

by Anonymousreply 11409/13/2020

It's Czechia, the former Czech Republic. Replace your H with a Z.

by Anonymousreply 11509/13/2020

In my town the Irish & Polish immigrants went to the same church, but the Italians built their own church. I think the Irish & Poles didn’t really consider the Italians legit Catholics. I know my grandparents were totally unwilling to go to the same church as Italians because Italians did things like stick dollar bills all over statues and were always having some kind of statue procession of one kind or another. My grandparents would never admit it to Protestants, but they thought the Italians practiced idolatry. They were like “Sure, we light candles in front of the Blessed Virgin in church & we have a statue of her in the church garden, but we don’t go parading the bloody statues all over the town every two weeks like these bloody Italians. They make it look like we worship statues!”

And the Italian church had Casino Night. The Irish & Poles were all “No, no! You can have card games & bingo inside the church hall, out of everyone else’s view. But you don’t go having a bloody CARNIVAL on your church grounds for everyone to see, Jesus Christ! It justifies the Protestants being all pissy about gambling in the church.”

So the Irish & Poles got along fine.

by Anonymousreply 11609/13/2020

R104's link is dangerous. My Malwarebytes stopped the connection and informed a trojan was trying to infect my Windows 7. If you opened the link you should immediately run antivirus/malware check. Don't forget that there's tons of Mac malware these days as well, especially trojans.

[quote] Estonia, Latvia and Litva are Baltic countrues and are considered Nordic rather than Eastern European here in Europe.

I've never heard anyone viewing them as Nordic countries. As a reminder in the most recent study I found on google 71-85 % of people in those three Baltic countries OPPOSE gay marriage, and only 12-23 % are in favor, Estonia being the most gay friendly of the three. Sill, 71% of Estonians oppose gay marriage although apparently it's the only Baltic state with a gay civil union. These numbers are probably worse than today, though, since apparently the research interviews are from 2015-2016.

by Anonymousreply 11709/13/2020

That's interesting R116, given the Vatican is in Rome and most all the popes and cardinals and all have been Italian. I wonder if the Italians are equally as suspicious of the Irish and Poles? (And that is likely complicated by the fact that the Italians in the US are mostly Sicilian, Calabrese and Napolitano, so have very different customs and practices than the northern Italians. But still, they've been Christians far longer--many Eastern European tribes did not accept Christianity until the Middle Ages.

R107- I know the Estonians and similar to the Finns in language and origin, but I thought the Latvians and Lithuanians were also Slavs. The Lithuanians history is bound up with that of the Poles, with lots of border swapping and wars and all that.

by Anonymousreply 11809/13/2020

Well, I don't know about their percentages on gay rights, R117, but culturally and ethnucally they are not part if the Slavic world and are dar closer to the Nordic one.

by Anonymousreply 11909/13/2020

*ethnically

by Anonymousreply 12009/13/2020

And *far closer, idk what is wrong with me tonight!

by Anonymousreply 12109/13/2020

There's that little un-named bit north of Poland in OP's map: that's Russian territory called Kaliningrad Oblast. Anyone been there? I imagine it's full of sailors.

by Anonymousreply 12209/13/2020

R119 That's not totally correct, because Lithuanian and Latvian are actually distantly related to Slavic languages (these languages all descended from a single proto-Balto-Slavic language, so you sometimes see them grouped together as Balto-Slavic languages). But people from these two countries get VERY offended if you insinuate that their language or culture have anything to do with Slavic ones at all.

by Anonymousreply 12309/13/2020

R94 - no, unfortunately, my partner passed away years ago and my company transferred me here for a 2 year contract and I am one year into it. I don't live in Bucharest, but rather in a smaller city in Transylvania called Cluj-Napoca and work at a multinational company. There is a sizable ex-pat community but nothing like Prague. Luckily, the city is pretty liberal and far more civilized and cultured than the rest of the country, owing to the fact that there are a lot of multinational companies, universities, it is an IT hub and there are cheap flights all over Europe. However, since the start of the pandemic, it's been harder since most EU and Brits went home (since most are work from home now) and the universities are online. Travel is pretty restrictive with having fo take a COVID test or stay in quarantine, so probably the next 12 months will not be so great. Luckily, the shops, cultural events and restaurants are open.

by Anonymousreply 12409/13/2020

I have Moldavian friends and they aren’t doing too bad as immigrants to USA. They have a popular grocery store and restaurant in my town. They are delightful. I go and buy caviar from them at Christmas. They have told me that Moldova, due to its poverty and lack of strategic importance, is actually quite beautiful and looks like what you would imagine fairy tales to look like if brought to life. All the medieval villages are still standing. So here’s to Moldova!

by Anonymousreply 12509/13/2020

I can say the same about Slovenia, R125! I've only passed through it several times but the beautiful nature, the winding rivers and the medieval castles atop quaint hills really make you feel like you're in a Brothers Grimm fairytale.

by Anonymousreply 12609/13/2020

Why would a company relocate to Transylvania?

by Anonymousreply 12709/13/2020

R127 - there are lots of American companies in this city because it is an IT and engineering huh and the educated work force is cheaper. For example, Emerson and Bombardier are here, among many others.

by Anonymousreply 12809/13/2020

So, is Transinistria a part of Russia? What about Chechnya?

by Anonymousreply 12909/13/2020

Fuck! Moldovans don’t look like this??!?

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by Anonymousreply 13009/13/2020

Victory Day in Transnistria. No R129 it does not belong to Russia.

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by Anonymousreply 13109/13/2020

R131, okay so Transinistria is a part of Moldova essentially. I've been watching Bald and Bankrupt on YouTube and I believe he went to the parade in Tiraspol.

Here's a good one he does in Albania. Apparently he's been blacklisted in Belarus because he supported the resistance movement.

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by Anonymousreply 13209/13/2020

We let them in the Eurovision Song Contest. What more do you want from us?

by Anonymousreply 13309/13/2020

[quote] Transinistria is a part of Moldova

R132 they fought a war to say NO to that.

by Anonymousreply 13409/13/2020

R131 and r134, I'm tired tonight but I will read up on that area tomorrow. It's incredibly interesting to me.

by Anonymousreply 13509/13/2020

Moldova is also spelled Moldavia. Looked great in 1985!

by Anonymousreply 13609/13/2020

R125 No offense to your friends, but no one other than Moldovans would ever call that place fairytalelike. The landscape is mostly very bleak. And the only thing those "medieval" villages have in common with the Middle Ages are the bad roads and the smell, because there sure as hell aren't any interesting ancient buildings left around. The cultural heritage in the cities is also pretty much non-exsistant; you won't find any of those cute cobbled old town centres around here.

I said it before and I'll say it again: Moldova is the only European country that doesn't have a single interesting sight to offer to a seasoned traveler. It's probably most famous for its wine cellars, so at least alcoholic tourists should find it worth a visit.

by Anonymousreply 13709/13/2020

R137, even people from there probably want to get the hell out. God knows (almost) all the Jews did.

by Anonymousreply 13809/13/2020

r99 Sorry I forgot to include Croatia!

by Anonymousreply 13909/13/2020

Moldova comes up as the unhappiest country on Earth, though I think it's got to be better than, say, the Congo or Chad.

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by Anonymousreply 14009/13/2020

r105 I fucked a hot Croatian-born model about a decade ago. Absolutely in the Top 5 guys I fucked in terms of physical beauty. His face was architecturally perfect.

by Anonymousreply 14109/13/2020

Poor landlocked Moldova. Ukraine could at least grant it a little bit of coastline.

by Anonymousreply 14209/13/2020

Belarus is sadder than Moldova, plus they have Chernobyl

by Anonymousreply 14309/13/2020

Chernobyl was in Ukraine, not Belarus.

by Anonymousreply 14409/13/2020

R143, Chernobyl is in Ukraine. Dumb azz!

by Anonymousreply 14509/13/2020

Ukraine Belarus, same shit!

by Anonymousreply 14609/13/2020

Parts of Belarus were effected by Chernobyl and is still radioactive. Pripyat though which was ground zero for the Chernobyl disaster is located in Ukraine.

by Anonymousreply 14709/13/2020

Is Slovakia just like Slovenia?

by Anonymousreply 14809/13/2020

R137 - While I have not been to the actual Republic of Moldova, I have been to Moldova that is here in Romania and you couldn't be more incorrect. I actually found the villages, for the most part, tidy and very quaint. The news will always show you the absolute worst things. Actually, my roommate and I took a trip to the UNESCO world heritage sites at the famed monasteries and the food, lodging, service and friendliness was top notch. I couldn't have asked for a better experience and the two cities we visited, Suceava and Iasi, are pretty clean and the people well dressed and there are universities and museums.

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by Anonymousreply 14909/14/2020

Yeah but the Romanian region of Moldavia isn't the country Moldova. Just as the country Macedonia and tge historic region that spilks into Greece and Bulgaria are far from one and the same.

by Anonymousreply 15009/14/2020

*the and spills ^ sorry again

by Anonymousreply 15109/14/2020

R150 - but it is essentially the same people and language and an artificial border was set up by the Soviet Union. Chisinau I have heard is nice, with nice cafes, restaurants and events but that a lot of the infrastructure was left in disarray and resources stolen by Russia. The people in both places are just as weary and tired of the Putin crap that messed up an otherwise interesting place.

What I find interesting is the rather Nordic look of the people and it turns out there were invasions of Ostrogoths after Roman times, so there is Scandinavian DNA and it kind of shows in the wooden churches and structures very similar to the old ones in Gotland. Overall interesting place and, apparently, their kings were the most hardcore in fighting Ottoman Turks which never quite penetrated there.

by Anonymousreply 15209/14/2020

It's all about Montenegro.

by Anonymousreply 15309/14/2020

Why is it such a hellhole?

by Anonymousreply 15409/14/2020

[quote] Is Prague or Budapest a better city to visit?

Both of them are absolutely beautiful and worth seeing.

Prague is more one-of-a-kind in terms of its architecture (there is no city in the world quite like it), and it also has better art; but it also has more drunk college students at night.

by Anonymousreply 15509/14/2020

[quote] Not as white as they think/claim. They have more Romani and Turkish blood

You don't deal with a lot of Turkish people, do you.

by Anonymousreply 15609/14/2020

R154 - imagine if the US was under Trump and his cronies for 70 years and before that, under Putin or Asad. That is why.

by Anonymousreply 15709/14/2020

I was actually planning a trip to Moldova this summer before Corona hit. I’d read a statistic somewhere that said it had the least amount of tourists in Europe. Okay, maybe not the best recommendation, but I was going to go via Turkey and I’m sure I would’ve found interesting things to like and if not, there’s plenty to do in Istanbul.

by Anonymousreply 15809/14/2020

How do those countries feel about Russia?

by Anonymousreply 15909/14/2020

R159 - that they are a bunch of brutes and barbarians that held them back.

by Anonymousreply 16009/14/2020

troll thread

by Anonymousreply 16109/14/2020

The countries that are doing well economically are glad to be rid of Russia. The countries that aren’t doing well economically miss the USSR. They miss being part of a large, powerful empire and they miss the stability of 100% employment, free health care, free education, a military to protect them, low crime & a stable bureaucracy. Everybody’s against bureaucracy, rules & regulations until they aren’t there anymore.

When the USSR caved, they lost all those things and there’s no telling what the future might bring. There have been wars. Some were small wars, but they are wars nonetheless & people died. South Ossetia, Georgia, Abkhazia, Transnistria. Dagestan, Ingushitia.

Then there was Chechnya & Ukraine, which weren’t such small wars.

The more economically & ethnically unstable, the more pro-Russian an area is. They long for the peaceful days of the USSR. Even people who were oppressed & deported under Stalin long for the post-Stalin days once they were safe.

Then there is Kyrgyzstan, for example, which is a Muslim republic. They hate the USA because of the various Gulf Wars & Afghanistan. The hate that the US attacks Muslim countries & they have have many jihadi wannabes among the younger population & the older generation supports the young men who they see as fighting for their ancestors’ religion. Kyrgyzstan is pro-Russian. They speak Russian as well as the local language. Russia & Russian is familiar to them.

by Anonymousreply 16209/14/2020

But...the smell...

by Anonymousreply 163Last Tuesday at 6:15 PM

R162 nailed it. I'm glad Ukraine pivoted towards the EU after the whole Crimea thing.

by Anonymousreply 164Last Tuesday at 6:17 PM

Regarding the former Yugoslavia, was it under official Soviet rule? What type of leader was Tito? I don't really know much about that area.

by Anonymousreply 165Last Tuesday at 6:50 PM

In Kazakhstan they also miss the USSR. Now they have oil oligarchs who run their country & economy. They miss the notion that everyone was equal. There were few rich people in the USSR. There were communist higher ups who were better off than everyone else, but those higher ups weren’t filthy rich. They had dachas, they had some better consumer goods & could travel pretty freely. But they couldn’t be ostentatious about their status.

Things are better for people in terms of travel & consumer goods. but they miss being part of something larger. I saw an a interview with a woman whose father had been a professor who was imprisoned under soviet communism, but she missed it. She liked that everyone in all countries affiliated with the USSR spoke Russian & had the same rules & laws everywhere. When asked about her father’s imprisonment she said she had no hard feelings against Russians - that was politics, not Russians. Most Russians were good people.

Now that camaraderie is gone and they live in an ugly, glitzy new world.

I think theyre the same as Americans who miss the past. Americans miss factory jobs, functioning public transport, good medical care, a good phone system, good public schools, civil defense when it was taken seriously, the feeling of being militarily superior because of all our deadly weapons so it was unlikely we’d face a war on our soil. It seems like an idyllic time. Everyone dressed nicely to go to work or church. People could make their own clothes. Food was good & fresh, not chemical laden & GMO. Nobody was morbidly obese.

People miss stability.

by Anonymousreply 166Last Tuesday at 8:24 PM

(R31) I took my parents to Bulgaria last summer, and I loved it. The countryside is so beautiful. There are mountains and fields of sunflowers, which are a major export. It's half as expensive as Western Europe.

by Anonymousreply 167Last Tuesday at 8:31 PM

Melania was the architect of most of the skyscrapers in Slovakia. She was a brilliant architect before she began her life of lesbian porn.

by Anonymousreply 168Last Tuesday at 8:52 PM

R168, Slovakia. Slovenia. Same thing, right?

by Anonymousreply 169Last Tuesday at 8:56 PM

For about forty years or so, this region of the world produced the world's best gymnasts. Quality has dropped off recently, however.

by Anonymousreply 170Last Tuesday at 10:02 PM

Who are these people like R161 who declare everything a "troll thread"? Every thread on here is declared a troll thread. WTF?

by Anonymousreply 171Last Wednesday at 2:23 AM

Several years ago I dreamed:

In the year 2025 Melania Knauss Trump will be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for her published memoirs, but the nomination with be a tie with Jussie Smollett for his criminal justice reform activism and war will break out throughout the world. After three years of pain and suffering, the world will finally come together after realizing how ridiculous everyone has been and acting and world peace will finally be achieved. 2028 will be the year of magical thinking.

by Anonymousreply 172Last Wednesday at 4:09 AM

R171 I'm not R161, yet I wouldn't at all disagree with the impression this thread is quite trollish. Categorising an entire swath of Europeans as "trash" or less than certainly isn't intellectual or even remotely evolved. Then there are delightful posters suggesting many are not WHITE or WHITE ENOUGH. It's disconcerting for many of us to read such ignorant sweeping generalisations of people. I find may of the posts à la Stormfront. Especially odd for gay people to be judgemental.

If these are your people, and you're proud to defend their bigotry and Xenophobia, be my guest. I side with the faction calling this a troll thread. If you are an American, do you profess to believe only Americans are created equal, but Eastern and Central Europeans are all "trash"?

I find many of the posters here quite troubling. It's sad how even many of the well travelled posters lack grace and noblesse oblige when it concerns poor, less developed countries. All people have worth and dignity as your brothers and sisters, regardless of being unsophisticated or stunted by communism. They are not automatically trash because of the vicissitudes of history and economic systems.

by Anonymousreply 173Last Wednesday at 5:23 AM

R173 You’re mentioning the racism and xenophobia you find so present on DL while ignoring those things when they’re seen in Eastern Europe. It’s done here as commentary in what’s labeled a vile pit of trollery. In Eastern Europe sticks and stones do break people’s bones but here, words hardly have the same effect. Equating the two is ridiculous.

Why do you, for instance, ignore the rampant racism and mistreatment of refugees and Roma? Nor do you mention of the right wing nationalist governments which flaunt the EU’s protections of gays and persecuted minorities and religions. Nowhere is heaven on earth, but try to save your scolding for people whose actions are hurting people, not your delicate sensitivities.

by Anonymousreply 174Last Wednesday at 6:02 AM

You must not be familiar with my posts, yet I defend Roma, and have Scinti friend I've discussed here. I stand for equality and dignity of ALL people. Regardless of certain likes and dislikes posters may have for certain peoples or cultures, language and tone can be quite inflammatory. Words are powerful, and we must use them carefully. I find this to be especially true concerning minority populations or the downtrodden. They're often already at a disadvantage, and they don't need others to dehumanise them further.

People ought to be fareful how they make foolish assumptions of others behavior, and values as you do here. You're ascribing things to me not in keeping with what remarks I've written here, whereas I have taken some of these posts at face value.

As regards your other questions, of why I don't do this, that, or the other thing... this thread isn't about that, so you can shove your whataboutism straight up your cunt. I don't know who you think I am, but I do not live in the EU, I live in Chicago, and am a Jew.

by Anonymousreply 175Last Wednesday at 6:11 AM

^ meant for R174

by Anonymousreply 176Last Wednesday at 6:12 AM

R174 BTW, Inforgot to ask, are youneven R171? If not, that mere fact is HIGHLY INDICATIVE of being a bloody troll, as you lack the common courtesy I had exercised in explaining that I was not R161.

For the sake of clear dialogue, and proper rebuttals directed at the right poster, you ought to do so. I'm not lecturing to you, unless you happen to feel guilty, or that you personally can do better. Again, I was merely answering R171's question of who are these people who dare to call this a troll thread.

I think you can do better if you feel lectured, or defensive of my take on the comments here. I also find it perplexing you accuse me of equating two things... What again are you going on about? I didn't create any analogies or metaphors. I objected to sweeping generalisations of people, white supremacy, and the tone of the language being disrespectful to a broad swath of Europeans. Might I remind you many Americans have ancestry from Eastern Europe. Certain posters here and the OP insult them as well with such bigoted comments. These comments are no more defensible than Trump's remarks about "shithole countries". Whatever the mistakes or failings of Eastern Europeans, two wrongs do not make right.

by Anonymousreply 177Last Wednesday at 6:33 AM

Chisinau - When I would walk to work I noticed several buildings looked burned out. I was informed they were leftovers from The War, meaning WW2. I lived there in 2000. It is a forgotten city in a forgotten country. The citizens are completely demoralized.

by Anonymousreply 178Last Wednesday at 7:16 AM

[quote] Ursula von der Leyen says Poland's 'LGBT-free zones' have no place in EU

Poland is best avoided.

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by Anonymousreply 179Last Wednesday at 8:09 AM

For those of you who think there weren't Soviet millionaires, think again. The Soviet Union celebrated them. There is nothing in Marxism which says you have to be a poors.

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by Anonymousreply 180Last Wednesday at 8:15 AM

I was watching some travel videos of moldova and the city looks very clean and developped. I didnt notice any poverty at all.

by Anonymousreply 181Last Wednesday at 9:01 AM

Link R181 please.

by Anonymousreply 182Last Wednesday at 9:06 AM

[quote] Why would a company relocate to Transylvania?

Blood banks are boffo there.

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