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Did Ferris Bueller’s Day Off Take America By Storm?

This strikes me as the kind of movie that would become an instant phenomenon upon release. DLers who came of age in the 80’s, what was it like when Ferris dropped in the summer of 1986?

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by Anonymousreply 273Last Monday at 7:25 PM

I don't know if it took America by storm but it was popular.

by Anonymousreply 109/12/2020

I wasn't alive when it came out but this, Fast Times at Ridgemont High and The Breakfast Club just seemed like the quintessential all-American 80s teen movies to me.

by Anonymousreply 209/12/2020

WEHT Mia Sara? I really liked her - looks like she's quit acting.

by Anonymousreply 309/12/2020

[QUOTE] I wasn't alive when it came out but this, Fast Times at Ridgemont High and The Breakfast Club just seemed like the quintessential all-American 80s teen movies to me.

Me neither, but I’m watching it now and it’s one of those movies that make me wish I was a teenager in the 80’s.

by Anonymousreply 409/12/2020

Ferris Bueller was bigger than The Breakfast Club. It was really big because it appealed not just to kids but also to parents.

by Anonymousreply 509/12/2020

R4 I like a lot of 80s films in general. I grew up watching ET, Gremlins, Goonies, Coming to America, National Lampoon's Vacation and Ghostbusters. For the 80s teen fare, I like Ferris Bueller, Stand By Me, Fast Times, Secret Admirer, Can't Buy Me Love, The Outsiders, Heathers, Bill & Ted and River's Edge.

by Anonymousreply 609/12/2020

I watched the parade scene tonight. Sorry, but I LOVE that scene so hard. It always always always lightens my heart.

Right after Charlie Sheen’s scene, his father appeared in a commercial for some prescription thing.

by Anonymousreply 709/12/2020

R4, I was a teenager then. It was pretty fun.

by Anonymousreply 809/12/2020

I still quote lines from it.

by Anonymousreply 909/12/2020

Coming to America is an underrated 80s film. The thing about movies in the 80s is that HBO showed certain movies over and over again. There must be a list somewhere. They are not well-remembered today and I cannot name them off the top of my head. But I watched them until I had them memorized.

There were other networks that showed movies at certain times -- USA's Fright Night was on Saturdays I think. The experience was not just watching the movie but also waiting for a movie to come on. Nowadays I think of a movie and torrent it within seconds.

by Anonymousreply 1009/12/2020

They just don’t make movies like this anymore.

by Anonymousreply 1109/12/2020

Filmed at my high school. Yes, I was there at the time.

by Anonymousreply 1209/12/2020

R10 The Internet Archive is a beautiful website database, they have so many VHS recordings of TV shows and even mp3 files of music uploaded there and the Fair Use seems to be applied there because the lack of people flocking to the Archive. I found entire VHS recordings of 90s SNICK and USA/Sci-Fi channel movie nights. YouTube's Fair Use is always ignored because companies always scour YT to get everything removed via copyright (looking at you Viacom).

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by Anonymousreply 1309/12/2020

How is Coming to America underrated? It was one of Eddie Murphy's biggest hits and is getting a sequel this Christmas though it may be delayed due to Covid.

Mia Sara married Jim Henson's son and doesn't need to work with the Henson $$.

Ferris Bueller is a clever film, though don't know how loved it is today.

by Anonymousreply 1409/12/2020

R12 you lucky motherfucker. I bet you were at the theater on day one. Did you love the movie?

by Anonymousreply 1509/12/2020

I think Ferris Bueller is a product of its time and we must see it in that context. As a teenager, I thought Ferris was a total badass. As an adult, I see Ferris as a smug asshole who wasn't a good friend to Cameron. I still love it nevertheless.

by Anonymousreply 1609/12/2020

Autumn 1990, MB cruised me, and I him, on Greenwich and 10 Ave. One of those, stop, turn and stare, stop, turn and stare things. I should have walked back toward him, but I finally turned and walked away. 6 months later, he walked by me. I turned, he turned, he nodded, winked and gave me a little salute. Ah, he remembered!

by Anonymousreply 1709/12/2020

Team Ferris or Team Cameron ?

by Anonymousreply 1809/12/2020

Didn't the guy who played the Principal go to prison for child porn or something like that?

by Anonymousreply 1909/12/2020

Also, there was a short-lived attempt to make Ferris Bueller into a teen sitcom. It only lasted one season in 1990. It starred young Jennifer Aniston as Jeanie. She looks so different before her Hollywood makeover. It was pretty bad, Ferris was more like a Zack Morris rip-off here which is funny as Zack Morris was a ripoff of Ferris originally.

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by Anonymousreply 2009/12/2020

I hated it.

I thought he was a smarmy Little Lord Fauntleroy, and I really stopped giving a fuck about Chicago’s suburban teenagers at this point.

Alan Ruck, however, was adorable.

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by Anonymousreply 2109/12/2020

[QUOTE] Team Ferris or Team Cameron ?

Ferris. God he was gorgeous. That jawline. 🥵

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by Anonymousreply 2209/12/2020

It was a big hit for sure. Btw, I remember thinking Matthew Broderick was incredibly buff in his shower scene. 80s standards were definitely different.

by Anonymousreply 2309/12/2020

Ferris Bueller is adult Simba. Randy Taylor from Home Improvement is kid Simba.

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by Anonymousreply 2409/12/2020

Is this MB best film ? I can’t recall others

by Anonymousreply 2509/12/2020

I liked Alan Ruck as the smug chief of staff in Spin City. Also Michael J Fox as the overly competent deputy mayor and Heather Locklear as the mature campaign manager. Then Charlie Sheen replaced Fox in the fifth season and played himself. That show was definitely for the Gen X crowd now that I think about it.

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by Anonymousreply 2609/12/2020

Alan Ruck in Spin City

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by Anonymousreply 2709/12/2020

Same r16. I thought he was the coolest in the world when I was young but then when I grew up I realized what a stupid little snot he was, but I still love the movie.

I HATED that drip Cameron but I think Alan Ruck is one of the most talented actors out there. Good looking to in a skinny rich dork kind of way.

by Anonymousreply 2809/12/2020

Ugh, I hated Ferris. He was such a self-involved little prick who had no trouble manipulating his friends to get what he wanted. I'd have loved to see his ass drop-kicked into reform school.

by Anonymousreply 2909/12/2020

Loved the ending credits especially the last minute of the film.

by Anonymousreply 3009/12/2020

Danke Schoen, does anyone know why they picked the horrible song ?

by Anonymousreply 3109/12/2020

R20 OMG, that was so painful to watch. I only got to after the opening credits and had to stop, Among other things, hated how he was trying to do Matthew Broderick's voice as Ferris.

by Anonymousreply 3209/12/2020

This is one of the few 80s movies that haven’t aged well for me. I even watched St Elmo’s Fire the other night and loved every minute of that terrible movie so I’m not turned off by bad writing and acting. But something about this one bugs me.

A fantastic but rather sad 80s movie is The Last American Virgin. No one really talks about that one. The main character wasn’t attractive which maybe has something to do with it. But great soundtrack

by Anonymousreply 3309/12/2020

Breakfast Club caught the ethos mucj better. 80s movies were all about money and class divisions. Fast Times was really a late 70s/early 80s movie - like Porkys. The meat of the 80s was John Hughes films - mid 80s. Less sex, more money and class issues.

by Anonymousreply 3409/12/2020

[QUOTE] Ugh, I hated Ferris. He was such a self-involved little prick who had no trouble manipulating his friends to get what he wanted. I'd have loved to see his ass drop-kicked into reform school.

Yeah but he was so cute. Cute, confident guys can do whatever they want, including dancing on parade floats while hookying from school in the middle of downtown Chicago. That’s the moral of the story.

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by Anonymousreply 3509/12/2020

Define Storm

by Anonymousreply 3609/12/2020

Charlie Schlatter is no Matthew Broderick. Jennifer Aniston certainly is no Jennifer Grey but at least she had comedic timing even back then. Jen was also on a short-lived sketch comedy show The Edge for a bit and she claims Lorne offered her a spot on SNL but she declined.

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by Anonymousreply 3709/12/2020

The Last American Virgin r33 is a bit of a downer of a film, although it's mostly a comedy.

I find Ferris too smug but I also found him that way back in '86. Today he would be considered a privileged, rich white teenage boy.

I love '80s films but many of them haven't aged well. I still love Working Girl but I am sure we could make a list of what didn't age well in that film.

by Anonymousreply 3809/12/2020

[QUOTE] A fantastic but rather sad 80s movie is The Last American Virgin. No one really talks about that one. The main character wasn’t attractive which maybe has something to do with it. But great soundtrack

That movie is so depressing, R33. It’s certainly not on my list of films that make me wish I was a teen in the 80’s.

by Anonymousreply 3909/12/2020

Jennifer Aniston has an incredibly odd face. It’s like she willed people into believing she’s pretty when she’s absolutely not.

by Anonymousreply 4009/12/2020

I just looked up Alan Ruck on IMDB, he was almost 30 when Ferris Bueller's Day Off was released.

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by Anonymousreply 4109/12/2020

I hate this movie. So overrated.

by Anonymousreply 4209/12/2020

I know Rumble Fish, The Legend of Billie Jean, Heathers, Pump Up The Volume and River's Edge gained cult status despite not being big films because they aimed a more for realism and were satire on societal ills. They showed teens as being more amoral and products of a dysfunctional and consumerist society trying to survive rather than the sort of general optimism, good always triumphing over evil and happy-endings that were a common theme in John Hughes films.

by Anonymousreply 4309/12/2020

Was Parker Lewis Can’t Lose based on this? Corin Nemec is one of the 80s guys who aged very well.

by Anonymousreply 4409/12/2020

Whatever you think of the film overall the museum sequence is a masterpiece.

The music, the mood, the works of art featured, the contrast between the three kids - growing up but still young - and the little children just starting out in school.

by Anonymousreply 4509/12/2020

Heathers is the anti-John Hughes film. I really think the filmmakers sat down and said "let's make a movie that mocks everything wrong about 1980s American society and Reaganism". It's why it aged so well. Not only because it's funny and quotable as fuck but because it predicted the media circus and the unintentional glamorization of teen depression, suicide and school shooters and touched on misogyny too. "I love my gay son!" was daring for the 1980s when HIV was killing us off and the population seemed to lack empathy for us.

by Anonymousreply 4609/12/2020

[quote]I still love Working Girl but I am sure we could make a list of what didn't age well in that film.

Starting with Melanie Griffith.

by Anonymousreply 4709/12/2020

Heathers is the best movie in the world.

by Anonymousreply 4809/12/2020

The 1980s seems so whitewashed to me especially when compared to the 1970s and 1990s till today. I guess the goal of the Reaganism era was to recall the 1950s and the media reflected that. The decade was really lacking in representation of anyone who wasn't white and middle-class to wealthy.

Yes, I know The Cosby Show and 227 aired and Michael Jackson, Whitney, Whoopi and Eddie Murphy and all that existed but that was representation that was so minimal and could be counted on a hand compared to the large amount of black media in the 70s (think Motown, funk, disco, Blaxploitation, Sanford and Son) and in the 90s (think hip-hop, New Jack Swing, contemporary R&B, hood films and black sitcoms). It's just stands out to me.

by Anonymousreply 4909/12/2020

*It just stands out to me.

by Anonymousreply 5009/12/2020

I was 12 when it came out and I loved it. Saw it 2 or 3 times in the theater, which I don't remember doing for any other film. I thought Ferris and Cameron were both cute, but I was most attracted to the druggie Charlie Sheen. If I had only known that it wasn't an act...

It was silly escapist fun, and those were the kind of teen movies I preferred. I wanted to be entertained, not watch some dreary class study.

by Anonymousreply 5109/12/2020

Charlie Sheen may look as disgusting as he is in the inside but he really was a hottie in his youth. He also looked good in the early seasons of Two and a Half Men.

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by Anonymousreply 5209/12/2020

R12 - Glenbrook North? They filmed in the summer, so you weren't 'there' at the time, right?

by Anonymousreply 5309/12/2020

He's a righteous dude!

by Anonymousreply 5409/12/2020

Jennifer Grey never should have gotten a nose job.

Ruined her whole film career

by Anonymousreply 5509/12/2020

I found Ferris weirdly asexual. I spent the movie idly wondering why he was pretending to have a girlfriend.

by Anonymousreply 5609/12/2020

Jennifer Grey was really pretty. She didn't need a nose job.

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by Anonymousreply 5709/12/2020

Buck would never have taken a day off.

by Anonymousreply 5809/12/2020

Jennifer Aniston, Halle Berry and Patrick Dempsey also their noses done like Jennifer Grey.

by Anonymousreply 5909/12/2020

R52 he actually was pretty cute. Feldman finally admitted he’s the one who raped Corey Haim and it would have been just a couple of years before this film

by Anonymousreply 6009/12/2020

Charlie must have problems. He could have found a cute young guy to have consensual sex with easily which are not hard to find in LA, not rape Corey Haim. I remember Denise Richards saying she say Charlie looking up videos of girls who looked really young too.

by Anonymousreply 6109/12/2020

*saw

by Anonymousreply 6209/12/2020

Emilio Estevez hasn’t been in the public eye for a while but is he as messed up as Sheen? Was he raised by his mother while Sheen was raised by Martin?

by Anonymousreply 6309/12/2020

I remember watching some E Hollywood Story episode on Charlie and he just seems like a spoiled brat with attachment issues. His parents were typical hippy parents who didn't pay much attention to him and just gave him everything to compensate for it. He just never grew up from being a bratty teenage boy. Emilio seems more down-to-earth than Charlie. Both definitely benefited from nepotism though I enjoy both their films and shows.

by Anonymousreply 6409/12/2020

I wonder if Jon Cryor did any messed up things? Even Demi Moore was kinda cancelled on Twitter for kissing a younger co-star from General Hospital at some party when she was high as fuck in front of a camera.

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by Anonymousreply 6509/12/2020

Broderick as Ferris Bueller was even prettier than RDJ was at the same age (in the 80s).

Looking at Charlie Sheen at his peak in r52, I am noticing a spectrum. Feminine face (Broderick) --> mixed (RDJ) --> masculine face (C Sheen).

All gorgeous movie star looks.

by Anonymousreply 6609/12/2020

[quote] Charlie must have problems.

Gee, d'ya think?

by Anonymousreply 6709/12/2020

RDJ was a pretty boy. Broderick is the only straight guy out of that group. Sheen and RDJ are bisexual.

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by Anonymousreply 6809/12/2020

R68 RDJ was so pretty at that age. Even in Less Than Zero when he was supposed to be all drugged out (and probably really was) he looked pretty. Such a shame they changed the scene from the book where Andrew McCarthy was supposed to watch him get fucked.

by Anonymousreply 6909/12/2020

RDJ was very pretty. Still kinda is, despite everything he's done to his body. Wasn't there a period of time when he was openly bisexual?

by Anonymousreply 7009/12/2020

I recall the film doing well when it was released but its stature are grown over the years.

Personally I didn't like the film and it didn't help that I have always found Matthew Broderick insufferable. Nevertheless I get the appeal it has with many.

by Anonymousreply 7109/12/2020

The film was a joyous hit. There really are no more films made today that impacts the audience the way Ferris did. The sense of whimsy and enjoyment has not really existed since 9/11. Even the ending was fun!

by Anonymousreply 7209/12/2020

R70 RDJ did admit to bisexuality and people who were in prison with him said he slept around with tons of guys there too. Then after he got famous again with Marvel, he crawled back in the closet and said the media "manufactured his bisexuality". RDJ made much more interesting film choices when young like playing a teen junkie turned hustler in "Less Than Zero", playing "Chaplin" and that Aussie reporter in "Natural Born Killers". Then once Marvel hit he just started playing it safe.

by Anonymousreply 7309/12/2020

The scene with Jennifer Grey as the sister “I have a scorching case of herpes” when the principal sneaks into the house in search of Ferris cracks me up every time.

by Anonymousreply 7409/12/2020

Thanks, r73; I thought something like that went on in regard to RDJ's bisexuality.

I agree with you about RDJ's film choices, but find it pretty amazing that someone who was such a massive junkie and boozehound with a million public scandals and multiple trips to prison could come back to be a Marvel superstar worth a gazillion dollars. I kind of admire it.

by Anonymousreply 7509/12/2020

Yeah, although I never found him hot I did find Charlie Sheen was very attractive, and he made good movies like Ferris Bueller, Lucas, Wall Street, No Man's Land, Eight Men Out and Major League.

by Anonymousreply 7609/12/2020

Charlie seemed A-List in the late 80s and early 90s. His drug abuse and partying must have really hurt his film career which led him to pursue TV work like Spin City which likely got him the role in Two and a Half Men and Anger Management. Didn't he accidentally shot Kelly Preston?

by Anonymousreply 7709/12/2020

Michael J. Fox's "The Secret of My Success" was an even bigger hit the next year, but I don't think it's remembered as fondly, if at all...

by Anonymousreply 7809/12/2020

I was a preteen when it came out. I thought Alan Ruck was a cutie pie and I much preferred him to Broderick.

by Anonymousreply 7909/12/2020

[Quote] Didn't he accidentally shot Kelly Preston?

Accidentally?

[Quote] I wonder if Jon Cryor did any messed up things?

He doesn't seem as messed up as other 80s stars. And he's done very well for himself. Playing Lex Luthor isn't a bad gig if you can get it.

by Anonymousreply 8009/12/2020

R7, I am in that scene. They had an extra call at my junior high! Only my sleeve (teal) made it on screen, I should really have a screen shot.

by Anonymousreply 8109/12/2020

I just watched Valley Girl after some Cobra Kai nostalgia. That was not a good movie but Nicholas Cage was so young and cute! I couldn't believe it. Early 80's was all about the valley, mid to late 80's was all about the North Hhore/Chicago suburbs, and late 80s/early 90's was Beverly Hills.

by Anonymousreply 8209/12/2020

R82 Valley Girl is a dream compared to the remake that was turned into a musical.

by Anonymousreply 8309/12/2020

I remember going to the theater to see Ferris Bueller’s Day Off and when it was over sneaking in to see Top Gun. It was one of those seminal days a (soon to be 11 y.o.) kid never forgets.

by Anonymousreply 8409/12/2020

My teenage years were in the 90s and I think the movies, in general, were better during that decade. The one exception is the 80s high school movies! They were the absolute best and Ferris Bueller was one of the best.

I still love it today and watch it once every few years.

by Anonymousreply 8509/12/2020

"Early 80's was all about the valley, mid to late 80's was all about the North Hhore/Chicago suburbs, and late 80s/early 90's was Beverly Hills"

Interesting take - and quite true. I would probably add NYC in with BH with the late 80s/early 90s - although more for yuppies and less for teens per se. The valley never really went away (until perhaps the mid 90s) and very much started "mall culture" across the country as it pertained to the 80s and 90s. By the 2000s, the mall being the epicenter of popular teenage life was essentially dead and over (no loss).

by Anonymousreply 8609/12/2020

Didn't someone write a sequel?

by Anonymousreply 8709/12/2020

[quote]Jennifer Aniston has an incredibly odd face. It’s like she willed people into believing she’s pretty when she’s absolutely not.

She inspired one of the best sight gags ever

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by Anonymousreply 8809/13/2020

A while ago there was a popular fan theory online that Ferris Bueller was just a figment of Cameron's imagination.

by Anonymousreply 8909/13/2020

It was the perfect movie of the Reagan Era. Spoiled brat rich kids doing whatever they want & getting away with it while working class & middle class employees everywhere are portrayed as idiots trying to thwart the rich boys from having fun breaking things.

by Anonymousreply 9009/13/2020

Broderick played the part quite well. But Alan Ruck won my heart. Still think he's a wonderful actor and hot in a totally unique way.

by Anonymousreply 9109/13/2020

Cameron was depressed because he was in love with Ferris and couldn't admit it to himself.

by Anonymousreply 9209/13/2020

It was a hit. I saw it. I was 16. I wouldn't say it took America by storm though. Not in the way, say Fatal Attraction or Dirty Dancing did the following year.

by Anonymousreply 9309/13/2020

[quote]Coming to America is an underrated 80s film. The thing about movies in the 80s is that HBO showed certain movies over and over again. There must be a list somewhere. They are not well-remembered today and I cannot name them off the top of my head. But I watched them until I had them memorized.

Ferris Bueller

Campus Man

Legend of Billie Jean

Just One of the Guys

The Big Picture with Kevin Bacon

Summer School

Over the Edge

Worth Winning

by Anonymousreply 9409/13/2020

I know it’s early 90s, but I’d include Encino Man with movies on teenagers That a impact

by Anonymousreply 9509/13/2020

Bill and Ted! Ferris seemed like it was a more high quality film. I also saw that theory that Ferris was Cameron's alter ego/imagination similar to Fight Club. I'm going to watch the new Bill & Ted today and maybe rematch Ferris this week I'm really into the 80's right now.

by Anonymousreply 9609/13/2020

R94, wow, those movies are crappy. Um, do you read books?

by Anonymousreply 9709/13/2020

R56/R92 agreed. The weird throuple relationship the leads have doesn’t really make much sense dramatically, not to me anyway, but these theories render the dynamic more plausible.

There’s got to be at least touch of narcissistic personality disorder about Ferris, or he wouldn’t go to such drastic lengths to lie and grandstand like he does. Sex seems entirely performative for him, such as when he flirts with those two girls sunbathing as he races Jeanie home. I just feel sorry for Cameron, trapped inside his own mind & body like a golem; maybe that’s where the really interesting movie was? FBDO comes over like a film that is searching for its own plot and substance.

Sloane did seem like she was just arm candy and something of a friendly hag to both boys. It probably didn’t help that Broderick was dating Grey at the time of filming, which gave the Jeanie/Ferris relationship subtle incestuous tones.

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[QUOTE] Cameron was depressed because he was in love with Ferris and couldn't admit it to himself.

Or maybe he was just a heterosexual guy suffering from clinical depression? But hey, if he was in love with Ferris, who could blame him?

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[QUOTE] The weird throuple relationship the leads have doesn’t really make much sense dramatically, not to me anyway

There is nothing weird about the throuple arrangement to anyone who was a shy, gawky teen with an attractive and popular friend growing up. They can tell you first hand that they’re used to being a third wheel because said friend always had a guy or girl on his arm.

by Anonymousreply 10009/13/2020

I thought Matthew Broderick was cute, but it never occurred to me that he was thought of as attractive by the general public. I thought he was just a weird theater kid who lucked into some big hits.

by Anonymousreply 10109/13/2020

He wouldn’t have been chosen to be the star of this movie if he wasn’t attractive.

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[quote]Danke Schoen, does anyone know why they picked the horrible song ?

It was the Von Steuben Day parade so a soft German related song was needed as the lead-in to the rock song.

by Anonymousreply 10309/13/2020

Broderick is at least bi. He hit on my husband at a NYE party a few years back, hosted by some gay theatre queens.

by Anonymousreply 10409/13/2020

It pleases me to no end that Alan Ruck/Cameron has had an awesome career ending up on the hit HBO series, "Succession" in his mid 60s.

As someone else said, when I was a kid I remember thinking Ferris was cool but when I rewatched the film as a college student I thought Ferris was annoying and that he treated Cameron horribly. As an adult when I watched it - I realized Ferris was the friend that was trying to loosen Cameron up and hopefully that "day off" would be something he'd remember positively other than the destruction of his dad's car.

Also I had no idea that the actor and actress that played Ferris' parents met on the set of the film, fell in love and got married.

Or that John Hughes wrote the movie in about 4 days.

Or even that they really did crash a parade to film those parade scenes and that Jennifer Grey was somewhere in the crowd wearing a grey wig.

Add in all the improv they did: it just seems like it would have been a really fun set.

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by Anonymousreply 10509/13/2020

It taught Americans in the 1980s an important moral lesson: if you're popular and rich, you get to do whatever the hell you want.

That was a profound message in Reagan's America. Look what wonderful results we've reaped from it.

by Anonymousreply 10609/13/2020

I don’t think that’s the message John Hughes was trying to broadcast, R106. He probably just wanted to make a fun film.

by Anonymousreply 10709/13/2020

[quote] He wouldn’t have been chosen to be the star of this movie if he wasn’t attractive.

Absolutely! John Hughes only chose beauties to star in his movies!

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by Anonymousreply 10809/13/2020

You can't be a John Hughes star if you're not incredibly attractive.

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by Anonymousreply 10909/13/2020

You’re going to compare Uncle Buck to Ferris? Come on, now. Two completely different roles.

And Molly Ringwald was cute as hell. You found one bad pic and you’re trying to call her ugly?

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by Anonymousreply 11009/13/2020

I totally swooned over Charlie Sheen in the police station, he seemed very punk rock at the time in that leather jacket.

by Anonymousreply 11109/13/2020

You forgot Girls Just Wanna Have Fun, starring Helen Hunt, SJP, Kristi Sommers, Jonathan Silverman, Lee Montgomery (rawr), and Shannen Doherty.

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by Anonymousreply 11209/13/2020

Mandatory on all such threads. They are obviously high. The issue is are they in love.

Both adorable.

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by Anonymousreply 11309/13/2020

Better Off Dead. Back when John Cusack was cute and not angry and unlikable.

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by Anonymousreply 11409/13/2020

Better Off Dead wasn't popular when it came out but it definitely was a cult classic and the dry and surreal humor made it stand out.

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by Anonymousreply 11509/13/2020

Who would have thought that in 2020, these women would be in the headlines. Lori got caught in a college bribery scandal and Kelly sadly died.

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by Anonymousreply 11609/13/2020

Due to many Gen Z girls discovering The Outsiders for some reason, I see so many C. Thomas Howell and Matt Dillon fangirls now online.

I liked Secret Admirer, it was funny as fuck.

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by Anonymousreply 11709/13/2020

Ruck has a sexy neck at R113, if that makes any sense.

by Anonymousreply 11809/13/2020

Risky Business was early ‘80s Chicago

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by Anonymousreply 11909/13/2020

Team Pretty in Pink or Some Kind of Wonderful?

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by Anonymousreply 12009/13/2020

Mia Sara was briefly involved with Clayton Rohner, who played Rick in Just One of the Guys.

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by Anonymousreply 12109/13/2020

C Thomas Howell in Hitcher (1986) was my go to spank bank image in my head.

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R101/R102 - this is an interesting point and one that my friends (straight, gay, male, female, young, old) have all pondered. Some found him hot and others not so much - but none could imagine this person ever existing (duh! right?) and perhaps that added a level of fantasy to the film that people enjoy. Hughes often tried to create realistic characters that played steriotypical roles in his films. They were sometimes miscast admittedly - but usually realistic nonetheless. I never thought that Matthew Broderick was all that hot and the mass adoration (from literally all walks of life) that his character received in this movie did seem over-the-top to say the least. That said, a REALLY studly/sexy actor would never be able to charm everyone that he came into contact with - yet still play "innocent" enough to get away with murder either. Conspicuously hot does put you in box - like it or not. Not to mention that the campus stud would never have ever been good friends with Cameron to begin with. There was a clear pecking order in high school (at least in mid 90's when I experienced it) that would make this somewhat impossible in the real world. I think that the character of Ferris (which is of course not realistic anyway) was never a jock type to begin with. Adorable for sure - but more under the radar. In that way, Broderick was rather well cast here and had the acting chops to pull off the role (I can't imagine any of the Top Gun or sexy prime-time soap hunks having the skills to play this role). It is a fun movie and whether or not Ferris is an awful friend or not - it is all fantasy to begin with. No one really knew a Ferris - hunks absolutely, but none who could get away with murder and charm every echelon of life effortlessly like Ferris did.

by Anonymousreply 12309/13/2020

Parker Lewis Can't Lose is the successful Ferris Bueller's TV spinoff. It was basically the same concept but it actually worked.

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Zack Morris from Saved by the Bell was basically Ferris Bueller right down to the charming yet sociopathic personality that you just couldn't hate no matter how bad he screwed up.

by Anonymousreply 12509/13/2020

Zack Morris from Saved by the Bell was basically Ferris Bueller right down to the charming yet sociopathic personality that you just couldn't hate no matter how bad he screwed up.

by Anonymousreply 12609/13/2020

SAVE FERRIS

by Anonymousreply 12709/13/2020

[quote]Team Pretty in Pink or Some Kind of Wonderful?

Team "Sixteen Candles."

by Anonymousreply 12809/13/2020

I haven't read this whole thread yet so possibly others have put forward this opinion, but it is my view that "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" is actually John Hughes' best movie.

by Anonymousreply 12909/13/2020

One could easily argue that it’s Hughes’ best film. I think it’s better than The Breakfast Club.

by Anonymousreply 13009/13/2020

I think Ferris was only a modest hit and then grew in popularity on TV.

by Anonymousreply 13109/13/2020

I Grew up in the 90s, and this was always played on TV. I never cared for it but found Ferris cool.

I watched it a few years ago for the first time since a kid, and liked it a lot more, but Ferris was a sociopathic asshole who was in love with himself and a bad friend.

However, when Cameron began kicking in his fathers car, I get annoyed.

by Anonymousreply 13209/13/2020

It made $70 million in 1986. It did great.

by Anonymousreply 13309/13/2020

Matthew's next film was Project X (1987). At the time, he "dated" his co-star, Helen Hunt!

by Anonymousreply 13409/13/2020

C Thomas Howell was only cute for a brief window but during that time he was both puppy dog cute and sexy. Matt Dillon is still fuckable. E

by Anonymousreply 13509/13/2020

Ferris was the 10th highest grossing film of 1986. It did amazingly well for a teen comedy film.

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The Outsiders is a book kids still have to read in Middle school.

Through that they tend to discover the movie, unless they show them it like my teacher did after we read it.

by Anonymousreply 13709/13/2020

R135 C Thomas was hot in the 90s too. He's still sexy today. He's a cowboy so his body still is ripped. C Thomas is a character actor now so he is always working. His imdb filmography is extemely long.

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John Hughes wrote many great films. I never realized how many films were written by him. I also never realized how few he directed.

by Anonymousreply 13909/13/2020

At their peaks, C. Thomas Howell was always FAR sexier than Matthew Broderick. Even now IMO. That said, Broderick is the FARRRR superior actor, so there is that.

by Anonymousreply 14009/13/2020

C. Thomas was in Soul Man (1986), which I saw on my very plane trip to Europe. I was soooo young so of course I liked that crazy film.

by Anonymousreply 14109/13/2020

C. Thomas was on (new) Dynasty. LMAO.

by Anonymousreply 14209/13/2020

Vice President Dan Quayle said it was his favorite movie.

He was the dumbest VP in modern history.

by Anonymousreply 14309/13/2020

Class Reunion- $10 million

Mr. Mom- $64 million

National Lampoons Vacation- $61 million

Savage Islands- $1.9 million

Sixteen Candles- $24 million

The Breakfast Club- $51 million

European Vacation- $49.3 million

Weird Science- $38.9 million

Pretty in Pink- $40.4 million

Ferris Bueller- $70.7 million

Some Kind or Wonderful- $18.5 million

Planes, Traines, and Automobiles- $49.5 million

She’s Having a Baby- $16 million

The Great Outdoors- $43.4 million

Uncle Buck- $79.2 million

Christmas Vacation- $72.7 million

Those were all his 80s movies and how much they made

by Anonymousreply 14409/13/2020

I liked this film when I saw it, but the way they reference gays as fags and homos in Hughes films is a huge turn off.

by Anonymousreply 14509/13/2020

His 1990s Movies

Home Alone- $477 million

Career Opportunities- $11.3 million

Only The Lonely- $25 million

Dutch- $4.6 million

Curly Sue- $33.6 million

Beethoven- $147.2 million

Home Alone 2- $365.1 million

Dennis the Menace- $117.2 million

Baby’s Day Out- $16.8 million

Miracle on 34th Street- $46.2 million

101 Dalmatians- $320.6 million

Flubber- $177.9 million

Home Alone 3- $79 million

Reach the Rock- $4,906

I did not include Beethoven 2 or Mallrats because he did not write or direct or even executive produce those.

by Anonymousreply 14609/13/2020

R145 you were alive in the 80s and 90s? Must not have been. Reality was much worse for most gays than hearing douches say fag

by Anonymousreply 14709/13/2020

His 00s output

Just Visiting- $16.1 million

New Port South- Unknown

Maid in Manhattan- $154.9 million

Drillbit Taylor- $49.9 million

by Anonymousreply 14809/13/2020

Here comes the condescension of the eldergay queen. I was born in 1984 so I know what it was like. I meant its a turn off and we don't need to be looking back at this shitty lack of representation when we can have movies doing it better. I don't understand gays who look at these movies with great memories, as you claim, arrogant queen, it was a tough time for us, even though I was a baby when this came out.

by Anonymousreply 14909/13/2020

R149 they were what they were. I don’t let a word have that large an effect on me. Also, today’s films are phony. You like to watch them because they don’t have a word but they force this fake belief people eat up that gays are the top dawgs etc. it’s nonsense.

I was born in 88. So not an eldergay.

by Anonymousreply 15009/13/2020

[quote]I was born in 1984

[quote]I was born in 88.

Jesus Christ, what is this, a thread full of kids??

by Anonymousreply 15109/13/2020

[quote] You like to watch them because they don’t have a word but they force this fake belief people eat up that gays are the top dawgs etc. it’s nonsense.

I doubt you're even a gay person what kind of nonsense is that? Go fuck yourself frau, go back to your sexless life with your annoying boyfriend who's hunting for dick on the DL and leave us alone.

by Anonymousreply 15209/13/2020

Millennials love Ferris Bueller. Me included. It's one of those movies that was always on cable.

by Anonymousreply 15309/13/2020

I don't know why older people are so shocked that younger people will have seen, listened to or read something old. Reruns of old shows and classic films make up most of cable TV. There are libraries full of old books. The internet allowed older music and even more obscure TV/film media to be rediscovered. It's easier than ever to access anything from a different era.

by Anonymousreply 15409/13/2020

R152 I’m being honest. I’m sick of the LYING

by Anonymousreply 15509/13/2020

R154 I’ve had tons of arguments about that with the eldergays here. They love claiming kids today don’t know about this or that, when they do. Some movies never stopped playing. This is one.

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[quote]Jesus Christ, what is this, a thread full of kids??

32 and 36 are kids to you???

Just exactly how old [italic]are[/italic] you?

by Anonymousreply 15709/13/2020

[QUOTE] I think Ferris was only a modest hit and then grew in popularity on TV.

I’m looking at the box office performance and it was a top 15 movie in theaters for four months. Week after week it brought in good revenue from June through October. Now I don’t know if films always lasted longer back then or what but that would be an impressive run today. It looks like young adults kept going back to see it.

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You have to remember that $70 million in 1986 was still a huge deal. It's not like now where even hitting $100 million (pre-pandemic) could be considering "underperforming" especially if it's a sequel to a massive hit.

by Anonymousreply 15909/13/2020

MB looked especially hot during the sauna/pool scene.

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So adorable.

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Watched it for the first time a few months ago. Can’t believe how cute MB was. Also a friend of mine is a spitting image of a young Charlie Sheen.

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[quote]They love claiming kids today don’t know about this or that, when they do. Some movies never stopped playing. This is one.

Another millennial here and yes, this movie came on HBO all the time when I was a kid and then it was a mainstay on Saturday morning and afternoon syndication. I couldn't have seen it when it came out originally but it was on CONSTANTLY after it was allowed on cable and local television. The film was rated PG-13 so most kids could watch it.

In college in the 2000s I had posters from the movie on my wall in my freshman dorm room and every kid that walked in there asked me about them. They all knew it. Although once during finals I had "When Cameron was in Egypt's land ... let my people go ..." scrawled on a board in my room and a friend asked what that was. I said, "Ferris Bueller" and he nodded and said he used to watch it all the time but didn't know the lines.

Also when I was a kid MB yelled at a bunch of us once because we were messing up a shoot. There's more story here but that's the only interesting part of it other than me hating him for the next 4 hours.

by Anonymousreply 16309/13/2020

Hated the character Ferris Bueller. Possibly the least sympathetic character in all of comedic film, with the possible exception of Jerry Lewis in anything. You want to punch him in the face in nearly every scene. A liar, a manipulator, a bit of a sociopath, a racist, someone who never takes any responsibility for bad consequences of his behavior. Felt sorry for the character Cameron. The only real acting, (and the only SINCERE writing) in the entire film is the monologue where Cameron lays bare the misery of his existence and the horrible relationship he has with his father. But it's an awfully long and silly movie to get to that point. I know it's supposed to be a fantasy, but it also always bugged me that it would have taken the trio 3 days to get through those activities. A baseball game alone is about 4 1/2 hours (of torture for me). Getting across Chicago to go to anywhere else in Chicago - minimum of 1/2 hour each way - throw in a parade and add about 2 hours to that, never mind taking over the float and singing for 15 minutes. Takes about 15 minutes to get into the Art Institute on a slow day, and another 10 to get to the "good" galleries, and that's before you sit down and admire your favorite or have a little rest on a bench. Then we have swims, car rides, all sorts of shenanigans that use up even more time. Whoops.....maybe it's leaked through that I'm not really a fan.

by Anonymousreply 16409/13/2020

R120 i like both, but prefer Pretty In Pink.

by Anonymousreply 16509/14/2020

Maitre D': You're Abe Froman?

Ferris: That's right, I'm Abe Froman.

Maitre D': The Sausage King of Chicago?

Ferris: [caught off-guard] ... Uh yeah, that's me.

Maitre D': Look, I'm very busy. Why don't you take the kids and go back to the clubhouse?

Ferris: Are you suggesting that I'm not who I say I am?

Maitre D': I'm suggesting that you leave before I have to get snooty.

Ferris: Snooty?

Maitre D': Snotty.

Ferris: Snotty?

by Anonymousreply 16609/14/2020

R164 when was Ferris a racist???

by Anonymousreply 16709/14/2020

R120/R165 - I too prefer Pretty in Pink. Both films explored the same dynamics - one from the point of view of a female and the other a male (with BFFs/sidekicks of opposite sexes). Pretty in Pink came first and was just better written, better acted, more cohesive overall and its soundtrack was far superior of course (and it featured Annie Potts - always a plus!). Some Kind of Wonderful just felt like the bargain basement knock-off in comparison. Both hold up rather well in comparison to other Hughes favorites that I now find tedious and irritating so many years later.

by Anonymousreply 16809/14/2020

The entire interaction of Ferris and Cameron with the car attendant. "Do you speak English?"

by Anonymousreply 16909/14/2020

Example of Ferris Bueller racism ^^^^

by Anonymousreply 17009/14/2020

[Quote] and its soundtrack was far superior of course

I don't disagree. But the opening song for SKOW is great.

by Anonymousreply 17109/14/2020

Dr. Mabuse by Propaganda

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As much as I like watching actors like Ringwald and Broderick in there roles, Stolz and Masterson were among the stronger actors that Hughes worked with and it elevated the movie considerably.

by Anonymousreply 17309/14/2020

[quote] The only real acting, (and the only SINCERE writing) in the entire film is the monologue where Cameron lays bare the misery of his existence and the horrible relationship he has with his father. But it's an awfully long and silly movie to get to that point.

There’s one another scene that’s very affecting, though in a less dramatic sense; the part during the parade when, in Ferris’s absence, Cameron & Sloane have a short conversation about what they want to do with their lives post high-school. They both realise that they have some common ground, in that they are directionless and aren’t interested in anything in particular beyond just getting by and living normal life. It’s a sweet, understated, and universally-relatable moment that says volumes about the characters and the situation in few words and just one shot.

by Anonymousreply 17409/14/2020

I watched this with my kids, who thought Ferris a “LEGEND”, but they were puzzled by the Buellers’ clothing. “What is that outfit? Did people really dress like that?”

by Anonymousreply 17509/14/2020

I wonder if Stolz was as method and serious on the set of Some Kind of Wonderful as he attempted to be in Back to the Future before it got him fired. He’s a great actor, though the last thing I saw him in was Once & Again where he played a pervy teacher.

Imagine what Pretty In Pink would have been like if Anthony Michael Hall has agreed to play Ducky? I always thought Jon Cryer’s Ducky was meant to be gay.

Matthew Broderick was at his most charming and endearing in War Games.

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[quote] Imagine what Pretty In Pink would have been like if Anthony Michael Hall agreed to play Ducky?

Interesting question.

On the one hand, Hall & Ringwald broke up their romantic relationship around the time PIP was shot, so that would have complicated matters. On the other, they always did have fantastic chemistry.

by Anonymousreply 17709/14/2020

About 3 years ago my local theater in Brooklyn had a week of showing films that were perfect examples of white privilege or full on racism (or both) and this was one of the films shown on one of the days.

Before each film the woman who was in charge would speak for a few minutes on why this film and it’s events show white privilege or white male privilege or racism etc. it was interesting.

I went to the showings of this one, and Rocky.

by Anonymousreply 17809/14/2020

R178 Interesting idea, but to what ends? Were you supposed to hate watch it? Was this the theater at the end of Prospect Park or at BAM?

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Oh, I found my old snap from when I went. It was a month long. It was there “On Whiteness” Seminar etc.

The final week was all movies that fit the theme. I miss things like this :(

It was 2018. Two years ago.

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When I was a young teen, I enjoyed the fantasy aspects of “Ferris.” It’s almost a fairy tale.

As an adult, he’s just annoying. Of course Rooney is annoying too.

I did (and do) appreciate the message that the kids learned infinitely more on their adventures that day than they would have learned at school. But that message isn’t so useful in the world we live in now.

A kid cutting school today would just binge on junk food and play video games.

by Anonymousreply 18109/14/2020

Ferris was a tad too smug for me.

Like a teen George Clooney.

by Anonymousreply 18209/14/2020

[quote]Before each film the woman who was in charge would speak for a few minutes on why this film and it’s events show white privilege or white male privilege or racism etc. it was interesting.

[quote]I went to the showings of this one, and Rocky.

Rocky? But Italians aren't white!

by Anonymousreply 18309/14/2020

[quote]About 3 years ago my local theater in Brooklyn had a week of showing films that were perfect examples of white privilege or full on racism (or both) and this was one of the films shown on one of the days.

I'm not clear on what white privilege has to do with the plot of Ferris Bueller. Three Asian kids or three Middle Eastern kids could've done exactly the same things these three white kids did in the movie with the same results.

by Anonymousreply 18409/14/2020

R183 the film is pretty clear on Italians not being in the same class as WASPs. Rewatch it. But Apollo had a set in fan base who turned on him fast to cheer on newbie Rocky

by Anonymousreply 18509/14/2020

Datalounge is the only place in earth I still hear about "WASPs."

by Anonymousreply 18609/14/2020

They’re not the same as Italians

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I grew up in the New Jersey suburbs which have a huge Italian population. I never saw my neighbors or classmates as anything other than white. I'm black, so I wasn't aware that other Europeans werent considered white too. And Italian and Irish Americans certainly can be racist towards black people too. I watched The Karate Kid so many times as a kid and only thing I thought about Ralph Macchio was he was a cute white boy next door. Same with Alyssa Milano, cute girl next door, in Who's The Boss?

In the Northeast, Italians dominate politics as do many Jewish and Irish people. They are completely assimilated in mainstream American culture. Catholics are the majority in many areas as well. I have never heard the term WASP irl nor anyone care about it. Most white Americans I meet will brag about being mutts.

Also Rocky is from Philly. Philly is mostly black and the white population is mostly Irish, Italian, Jewish and others. Boston is similar but in reverse.

by Anonymousreply 18809/14/2020

Only in the rural parts of Deep South or rural parts of the Midwest and Western states which has a white population that is mostly English, Scottish and German or Scandinavian in Upper Midwest and Montana. I could I imagine them questioning the whiteness of Italian Americans.

by Anonymousreply 18909/14/2020

Italians were considered “part Ni__r” for many years. But we aren’t supposed to mention that

by Anonymousreply 19009/14/2020

R190 Sicilians and only in the Deep South.

Fixed it for you

by Anonymousreply 19109/14/2020

R191 false. Much of the Midwest too

by Anonymousreply 19209/14/2020

R192 Yet today Taxi, The Godfather, Rocky, Everybody Loves Raymond, The Karate Kid, Friends, Happy Days, Seinfeld, Who's The Boss? and the music of Madonna are all classics in the homes of everyone and Italian Americans are cool now.

by Anonymousreply 19309/14/2020

Alyssa was the all-American girl. Her family descends from immigrants and worked their way to success. The American Dream

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I'm sure many white middle class parents would be thrilled to have their daughter take home a nice, wholesome boy like Ralph Macchio.

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R191 is right. I grew up in the South and yes - Sicilians were somewhat looked down upon (although not to the same degree as blacks, Mexicans or Puerto Ricans for instance). Any other Italian was basically considered white in every way that counts. My uncle is pure Italian (his family immigrated from northern Italy) and no one ever blinked an eye.

by Anonymousreply 19609/14/2020

My younger brother recorded the movie and could recite the entire script from memory.

by Anonymousreply 19709/14/2020

This high schooler just posted a reaction video to watching it the first time.

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Those reaction videos are so corny and stupid. If you watch several of these videos by the same person, the reactions are all the same for every song/video

by Anonymousreply 19909/14/2020

I despise reaction videos. So corny.

by Anonymousreply 20009/14/2020

Was there anything in the video about Ferris’ white privilege and how John Hughes singlehandedly brainwashed America into re-electing Ronald Reagan?

by Anonymousreply 20109/14/2020

[quote]how John Hughes singlehandedly brainwashed America into re-electing Ronald Reagan?

The people who elected Reagan were hardly the audience for John Hughes movies. They were mostly people who were still pissed that Bonanza was canceled and John Wayne was dead.

by Anonymousreply 20209/14/2020

R202, you’d be surprised. Many young people were very enthusiastic about Reagan at the time.

by Anonymousreply 20309/14/2020

A lot of yuppies voted for Reagan in 84.

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Yuppies were Boomers, not Gen X. Gen X were the demographic for John Hughes' movies and most of them were under 18 in 1984.

by Anonymousreply 20509/14/2020

Weren't the teens in the 1980s more conservative like the ones in Family Ties?

by Anonymousreply 20609/14/2020

R206, many were. In our mock election in 1984 Reagan beat Mondale in a landslide.

by Anonymousreply 20709/15/2020

R206 many were

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Makes sense as ages 45 to 64 (half of which are older Gen X) supported Trump.

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Makes sense as ages 45 to 64 (half of which are older Gen X) supported Trump.

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Older people always skew more conservative.

by Anonymousreply 21109/15/2020

The 80s films shows that even back then they hired grown adults to play teen roles. There are exceptions like Matt Dillon, Brooke Shields, Winona Ryder, Rob Lowe and C. Thomas Howell and the cast of Stand By Me. But Alan Ruck, Jennifer Grey and Matthew Broderick all looked very much like college students rather than high school students.

by Anonymousreply 21209/16/2020

Well there’s plenty of high school kids who look like they could be college kids, and vice versa. I mean they were seniors in high school who would be attending college within months. The age line can get very blurry.

When I was in high school, I looked old enough to get served alcoholic drinks in restaurants without being carded.

by Anonymousreply 21309/16/2020

Ferris Bueller was a huge movie at that time. Everyone went to see it.

by Anonymousreply 21409/16/2020

A girl from Chicago told me that it's accurate that suburbs (which most John Hughes films are set) are extemely white.

by Anonymousreply 21509/16/2020

Yeah, the John Hughes films get criticized today for their lack of diversity, but the Chicago suburbs his films take place in were extremely white back in the 80s. They're still very white today, but there are some Asian and Indian families.

by Anonymousreply 21609/16/2020

R216 Agreed. The Midwestern cities are quite historically segregated. It's a relic of housing policies and class division. And LA is very segregated too as Boyz N The Hood and Poetic Justice showed. Richard Linklater also got criticized for his very white portrayal of Austin but he was just writing from his own childhood.

by Anonymousreply 21709/16/2020

[Quote] Richard Linklater also got criticized for his very white portrayal of Austin but he was just writing from his own childhood.

There were a few in EWS. But none with a huge role.

by Anonymousreply 21809/16/2020

Austin does have a small historical black community but I just imagined Linklater grew up when things were still socially segregated. The South was still pretty segregated socially even into the 70s and Austin never had a big black population like say Houston, New Orleans or Atlanta.

Now Dukes of Hazzard made no sense as it was in Georgia and even a small town would have a lot of black people walking around.

by Anonymousreply 21909/16/2020

Matthew Broderick being bi is a surprise. I just thought he was one of those straight guys that seemed gay but weren't like John Ritter, Jerry O'Connell and Jason Bateman.

by Anonymousreply 22009/16/2020

A male poster here claimed to have flip-fucked with Jason Bateman in a hotel in LA in the early 90s.

And if you have to ask what flip fucking is, you're not a gay man.

by Anonymousreply 22109/16/2020

Then I am not a gay man, along with many many others.

by Anonymousreply 22209/16/2020

[quote] I'm black, so I wasn't aware that other Europeans werent considered white too. And Italian and Irish Americans certainly can be racist towards black people too. I watched The Karate Kid so many times as a kid and only thing I thought about Ralph Macchio was he was a cute white boy next door. Same with Alyssa Milano, cute girl next door, in Who's The Boss?

R188, I grew up further towards the Mid-West and I don't think I ever considered Italian people to be "white" as a kid. Fast forward years later when I was in college I came home for the summer. An Italian friend of mine (who grew up in the suburbs) was teaching a summer program in a black neighborhood in the city so I went to spend time with him. I told him, that I didn't think the black kids considered him to be "white." He said, "Yes, they do." A black woman who was overseeing him laughed and said, "No they don't." I told him about my experience growing up in the city and I, of course (not actually being the instructor) asked them what they thought. About 15 kids in their own way said, he wasn't. He was "Italian." I told him that growing up the black kids and Italian kids were all sort of lumped together with everyone else as "other." The same could be said about anyone Jewish now that I look back on it.

Later on I moved to New York and learned how different it all was. That was a culture shock.

by Anonymousreply 223Last Friday at 7:16 PM

In the Midwest and the South the population was much more homogenous so non-Anglo whites were lumped together in the "other" category, decades ago. I'm sure even Poles weren't really considered white in that region back then.

by Anonymousreply 224Last Friday at 7:19 PM

In NJ/NY, the white middle-class is heavily Italian and they will vote Republican. But they are also mixed with the other white populations like Irish, German, Polish, Jewish and English.

by Anonymousreply 225Last Friday at 7:23 PM

R225 3 out of those 5 you mentioned wouldn’t be considered real whites at some points in America

by Anonymousreply 226Last Friday at 7:25 PM

True. In old-timey America only Anglos were considered white. Even the Irish and the French weren't white by the standards of way back then. It was very anomalous to the rest of the world.

by Anonymousreply 227Last Friday at 7:33 PM

I think it had more to do with Protestantism. But honestly, it's so stupid to me. The French, The Spanish and the English all considered themselves superior to darker skinned people and called themselves whites.

by Anonymousreply 228Last Friday at 7:35 PM

I Iove the turn of this thread.

by Anonymousreply 229Last Friday at 7:38 PM

No. It had to do with ethnic roots.

And the rest of the world? There were parts of Europe that were not considered true white to other parts of Europe years ago too.

by Anonymousreply 230Last Friday at 7:39 PM

Also The US was never fully Anglo at any point in history. Before the American Revolution, many white Americans were a mix of English, Scottish, Welsh, French, Spanish, Irish and German. That's why Thomas Paine even said that the colonies being loyal to England made no sense when the peoples of America were a mixed breed of Europeans.

by Anonymousreply 231Last Friday at 7:39 PM

The French considered themselves "blancs". The Spanish considered themselves "blancos". English considered themselves "whites". They colonized the New World and created a racial hierarchy. Europeans in the Old World identified by their nationality. In The US and UK, Protestants were the dominant group and Catholics were treated like lessers. But the Irish were always white. "White trash" is still white. And at the end of the day this was identity politics back then and it is now. There is no such thing in science or in any history prior to the 1600s of "white people" as it was a social invention used to create a racial hierarchy. There are Northern Europeans, Central Europeans, Southern Europeans and Eastern Europeans, they have different phenotypes due to the environment or flow of genes. None of them are white, they are all just paler skinned human beings due to being located above the equator.

by Anonymousreply 232Last Friday at 7:44 PM

I like the fight club theory that Ferris is a figment of damaged Cameron’s mind.

by Anonymousreply 233Last Friday at 7:45 PM

r229 it's historically accurate, there's nothing racist being posted here.

by Anonymousreply 234Last Friday at 7:47 PM

Ferris definitely helped Cameron a lot in gaining self-confidence.

by Anonymousreply 235Last Friday at 7:47 PM

Ferris IS Tyler Darden?

by Anonymousreply 236Last Friday at 7:48 PM

Sexier alter ego.

by Anonymousreply 237Last Friday at 7:48 PM

Nobody puts Jennifer Grey in a corner.

by Anonymousreply 238Last Friday at 7:50 PM

Yes, R19. On the days I didn't take a day off, Ed Rooney would call me into his office and make me take my pants off.

I like to take off my pants. I am very popular – the sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, wasteoids, dweebies, dickheads all adore me. They think I’m a righteous dude.

by Anonymousreply 239Last Friday at 8:08 PM

I loathe this movie. It's about an amoral asshole. Basically, Ferris is just a young Trump.

by Anonymousreply 240Last Friday at 8:10 PM

FFS r240 this movie is about a kid who breaks stuffy conventional rules made by assholes. There is nothing you obsessives can't insert Trump into.

by Anonymousreply 241Last Friday at 8:12 PM

“If you say Ferris Bueller, you lose a testicle.”

by Anonymousreply 242Last Friday at 8:12 PM

Well, I hated the movie when I saw it long before Trump was much of a thing beyond getting skewered in Spy Magazine, so I'll stand by my statement that Ferris is a fucking asshole.

Also: casting a yutz like Matthew Broderick as the "cool guy" just seems like bad casting.

by Anonymousreply 243Last Friday at 8:18 PM

We can't all be as miserable as you r243. Many of us think it's a fun movie and Broderick was adorable.

by Anonymousreply 244Last Friday at 8:28 PM

R244 OR, maybe you just have shitty taste in movies!!!

by Anonymousreply 245Last Friday at 8:34 PM

Ferris Bueller is still a beloved classic. 16 Candles is pretty racist with the Asian exchange student.

by Anonymousreply 246Last Friday at 8:41 PM

[quote] Due to many Gen Z girls discovering The Outsiders for some reason, I see so many C. Thomas Howell and Matt Dillon fangirls now online.

Ha. My niece, age 15, is a Rob Lowe fangirl because of the Outsiders.

by Anonymousreply 247Last Friday at 8:43 PM

Is there anything sadder than a 50something old man who still adores an awful movie from 40 years ago?

by Anonymousreply 248Last Friday at 8:44 PM

Lots of people in their 20s/30s love this movie r248. And you're just a miserable cunt.

by Anonymousreply 249Last Friday at 9:10 PM

R134 Jennifer Grey, Helen Hunt, SJP. MB definitely has a type.

by Anonymousreply 250Last Friday at 10:16 PM

I loved the Bueller parents.

by Anonymousreply 251Last Saturday at 6:17 AM

[QUOTE] Is there anything sadder than a 50something old man who still adores an awful movie from 40 years ago?

This might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on here, R248.

by Anonymousreply 252Last Sunday at 4:58 PM

It's a fun movie and a great time capsule of the 80s.

by Anonymousreply 253Last Sunday at 5:01 PM

Definitely r253. It's one of the movies that I think of when I think of '80s films.

It really has a great cast. Shame that Jeffrey Jones turned out to be such a creep because he was a great character actor.

by Anonymousreply 254Last Sunday at 5:35 PM

Yes, he was busted for kiddie porn and never worked again.

Edie McClurg was only in her mid-30s in this! She's one of those people who has always looked 50 years old, even when she was young.

by Anonymousreply 255Last Sunday at 6:39 PM

Edie even looked old in Carrie, and she was supposed to be a high schooler!

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by Anonymousreply 256Last Sunday at 8:17 PM

I was 12 and it was awesome. Coming to America is fine. Eddie Murphy’s best movie is Trading Places.

by Anonymousreply 257Last Sunday at 8:31 PM

😂 Hilarious R256. They could’ve easily cast her as a schoolteacher.

by Anonymousreply 258Last Sunday at 8:37 PM

She was in her 30s in Carrie!

by Anonymousreply 259Last Sunday at 10:21 PM

She was then Andrea of the Carrie school!

by Anonymousreply 260Last Sunday at 10:34 PM

She was the non-singing Rizzo of the Carrie school!

by Anonymousreply 261Last Sunday at 10:37 PM

R255 he's still working.

by Anonymousreply 262Last Monday at 12:52 AM

[Quote] It really has a great cast. Shame that Jeffrey Jones turned out to be such a creep because he was a great character actor.

Turns out he has plenty in common with Eddie Barzoon.

by Anonymousreply 263Last Monday at 1:36 AM

Those of you who think Ferris is a "sociopath" or a young Trump don't have much experience of life.

by Anonymousreply 264Last Monday at 1:59 AM

R264 He was spoiled upper middle-class teenage boy who was used to getting everything he wanted. They tend to be sociopathic.

by Anonymousreply 265Last Monday at 6:48 AM

No, no they don't.

by Anonymousreply 266Last Monday at 7:23 AM

R266 So a spoiled teenager would always stop and think about all the consequences of their actions and not just want to do whatever amuses them? Ferris may not have been a textbook sociopathic but he was very self-absorbed and hedonistic like you know a spoiled rich teen would be.

by Anonymousreply 267Last Monday at 7:40 AM

The first time I saw Ferris Bueller was at home, and I laughed pretty hard. It was all such silly, innocent fun and because you knew the context right away, you went right along with it. I miss those type of films.

by Anonymousreply 268Last Monday at 8:05 AM

I predicted he'd become a drunk and commit vehicular homicide.

by Anonymousreply 269Last Monday at 8:32 AM

A sociopath? Upper middle-class kids are all psychos? He was a kid who wanted to take a day off and have a little fun. I swear some of you are so damaged from your own fucked-up childhoods everything you see is filtered through that.

by Anonymousreply 270Last Monday at 8:34 AM

R270 Said spoiled ones and also teens are assholes and due to their brains not finished growing, lack certain sensitivities. Teens with money even more so. That's why when we get older we cringe at how stupid we were in our youth. But it's just a movie and not really anything to think deeply of anyway

by Anonymousreply 271Last Monday at 8:39 AM

We all wanted to be like Ferris Beuller but Superbad was more of our reality.

by Anonymousreply 272Last Monday at 7:13 PM

Funny, r272! That was definitely the case with me, I was a dork who couldn't get away with anything.

by Anonymousreply 273Last Monday at 7:25 PM
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