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West Hollywood's Rage Closes Permanently


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by Anonymousreply 122Last Sunday at 11:16 PM

Rage rage against the dying of the light

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by Anonymousreply 109/09/2020

One door closes; another opens.

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by Anonymousreply 209/09/2020

Wow. That was place was an institution. One of the first places to dance as it was 18+, not 21+ like all of the bars surrounding it. Very sad.

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by Anonymousreply 409/09/2020

Jackie Beat: I just heard that the iconic gay bar & dance club RAGE in West Hollywood has permanently closed. This is so sad. Even though I consider myself more of a Silverlake kinda queen than WeHo, there was a time – back in the day – when Rage was my stomping grounds. Rage opened in 1983 and I discovered it around 1986 when I came out of the closet. I went every Monday night, when they played the best alternative music and the crowd was much quirkier than the usual parade of tanned, bleached Ken dolls in Southwestern pastels. One of my favorite outfits I ever wore there (every Monday was a new opportunity to be creative) consisted of a white dress shirt with French cuffs & cufflinks, an Art Deco tie, suit jacket, dress socks with sock garters, ox-blood wingtips – all vintage, of course – worn with a pair of silk boxer shorts. In my horn-rimmed glasses, two-toned pompadour with cowboy boot sideburns and, yes, the ever-popular goatee, I looked like I had simply forgotten my pants. Rage was a place of so many firsts for me: I met my first boyfriend, Adrian, there. I had my very first art show there featuring grainy, photocopied green & rust-hued negative pics I had taken of nude men with my oh-so-serious poetry superimposed over it. My mom, Liliana, even attended the Sunday afternoon opening reception and when a guy in nothing but a neon green g-string skated up to the bar, right next to her, and ordered a Zima, she gave him the once over while sipping her vodka stinger and dryly said, “Thank you so much for dressing for the occasion.” Rage was also the very first place Jackie Beat ever performed – at an open mic talent contest, which I won. I would later perform my very first song parody there (“Vague,” a send-up of Madonna’s “Vogue”). My best friend Carl and I even shared an apartment on Larrabee (Angelyne was our neighbor!), right up the street from Rage so we could drink and dance and flirt with guys until 2 AM every night and simply stagger home, dripping in sweat. And when we weren’t dancing to songs by S’Express, Marc Almond or My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult at Rage we were at ACT/UP demonstrations or yet another benefit because lurking behind every amazing song, every cute look, every beautiful young man was the threat of AIDS.

Goodbye Rage. And thank you for being such a big part of what has made me who I am today.

by Anonymousreply 509/09/2020

In olden days of Rage forgotten,

Young hunks were look upon as hot

Then, Heaven Knows, Co-Vid BLOWS!

by Anonymousreply 609/09/2020

any bars left that have male strippers?

by Anonymousreply 709/09/2020

Are any bars in LA open now? Or not yet?

by Anonymousreply 809/09/2020


Another institution.

by Anonymousreply 909/09/2020

R7, go-go boys? I believe Micky's and Fubar still had some. No place where they go all nude though. Somebody ratted out Micky's years ago for naughty behavior and the police raided the place and it was shut down for a month.

R8, no bars open now. They were allowed to reopen for like one week and then ordered to shut down again.

by Anonymousreply 1009/09/2020

KROQ night 18+ on Mondays in the late 90's, early 2000's was so much fun. I hope these other bars can last.

by Anonymousreply 1109/09/2020

Damn. That's where I got my first case of the clap.

by Anonymousreply 1209/10/2020

We used to call it Rah-zhey. The sorbet between Abbey and Fubar/Akbar.

by Anonymousreply 1309/10/2020

Jackie Beat elegy is dead-on. Such sad, sentimental news - if not unexpected. Want will survive this raging fire of pandemic?

by Anonymousreply 1409/10/2020

Maybe Jackie could buy it and call it Beats?

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by Anonymousreply 1609/10/2020

Wherever else can I go to pick up on some of LA's finest twinks? Guess Tiger Heat is still around.

by Anonymousreply 1709/10/2020

There are times when the go-gos at Fubar will pull out their dicks, depending who the dancers are.

by Anonymousreply 1809/10/2020

I always get Rage and Mickey’s mixed up. They’re side by side, right?


by Anonymousreply 1909/10/2020

R19, they're very close to each other but on different blocks. Fiesta Cantina is in between them.

by Anonymousreply 2009/10/2020

Thanks R20. One of them I went to all the time and the other I went to never. I’d go to the two bars on each corner of Santa Monica and Larrabee and then I’d walk west and go to either Rage or Mickeys. You’d walk in on the right side of the front entrance. There would be a dance floor in back. The bar was generally a long island in the middle. You could turn left and sit out front on the sidewalk which was cordoned off. Sometimes, there would be a tiny enclosed bar out near the front patio on left side of building. I think there might have been an upstairs.

I feel like I could be conflating the two or describing them both lol.

by Anonymousreply 2109/10/2020

R21, that sounds a little more like Micky's. The layouts are actually quite similar for both. Rage has two staircases though.

by Anonymousreply 2209/10/2020

R19 / R21 - totally agree. In 20+ years of going, I still forget which one is Rage and Mickys. Hopefully at least one stays open - they were kinda interchangeable.

by Anonymousreply 2309/10/2020

R478, Rage is the younger crowd, twinks. Micky's skews a little older than that.

Now that Rage is closing, no more West Hollywood 18+ night bars for you, college twinks.

by Anonymousreply 2409/10/2020

Between Gym, Flaming Saddles and Rage is there any hope of at least one replacement when things settle down or whatever?

by Anonymousreply 2509/10/2020

R25, when things get back to normal again, I have a hope/hunch there are enough enterprising people with money who will see that people miss these spaces and can fill that void.

by Anonymousreply 2609/10/2020

The first time I visited LA was in1992 and I drove from the South Bay to Santa Monica Blvd and back then you could easily park behind Rage.

Going back and forth to Rage and Mickey's is mind-blowing to someone from a smaller town in the midwest or East coast where maybe there is one gay bar within an hour or so.

by Anonymousreply 2709/10/2020

People still go to bars?

by Anonymousreply 2809/10/2020

I miss the old days when "straight" guys would go to a gay bar if forced by their beard girlfriends. One of the best fucks of my life was a local college baseball player who swung both ways.

by Anonymousreply 2909/10/2020

I'm with R27. I moved to LA in 1992 and came out in '94. Mickey's had an 18+ night that my college friends and I would go to; Rage was way too intense for me as a little burgeoning gaylet. And the gay bookstore A Different Light was along there, along with a little coffee shop called Six Gallery, which literally was the first gay place I ever went to. I'm really sorry to hear that Rage is closing. I ended up having a lot of really good times there.

I live in NYC now and Flaming Saddles in HK seems to be hanging on

by Anonymousreply 3009/10/2020

Sad news. I had just moved to LA and remember dancing there to "Like a Prayer".....87 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 3109/10/2020

I'm old enough to remember Uncle Charlie's. Sad, but the world goes on.

by Anonymousreply 3209/10/2020

I remember when Gable and Harlow would come around the corner to Holloway and Barney's Beanery for some chili.

by Anonymousreply 3309/10/2020

I'll be sad if Trunks or the Mother Lode go under. I hope they stick around.

by Anonymousreply 3409/10/2020

There’s 15 versions of the same bar and then motherlode + Fubar. So the shutdown of the current iteration of Rage isn’t so sad? But I understand it from a sentimental perspective. WeHo is long overdue a revamp in terms of the type of gay nightlife it promotes. Insane rents don’t leave any room for variety. I‘ll echo R26 in that I hope the pandemic is going to allow new fresh gay nightlife to grow.

by Anonymousreply 3509/10/2020

R13 - We used to call it Rage the same thing. Like the same with Target

One of the things that sucks about the death of these small dance clubs is the ability to meet people. When you are on the dance floor you can meet, dance and flirt with so many guys. There is no pressure to talk or order a drink. It's just dancing and then it can go to one of those things. Once the lounges came in (remember East/West where the old/new Revolver is - the posh gay bar), people became more cliquish. It's just easier to stay with the people you know. The Abbey used to be a coffee shop which was awesome as a gay teen to be around other gays. I'm 40 and I miss those days.

by Anonymousreply 3609/10/2020

I remember when the Abbey was a coffee shop, too. I was there a lot 94-01. The Dustin Lance Black days.

by Anonymousreply 3709/10/2020

Is there any place in the country with as high a concentration of gay bars and clubs in a relatively small area as Weho?

by Anonymousreply 3809/10/2020

The Abbey coffeehouse was my favorite place to hang out in LA.

I knew it wouldn't last as it was though since there were so many large back rooms that led to more large rooms, which is what I loved about it.

by Anonymousreply 3909/10/2020

I went to The Abbey for the first time in September 2001 after one of the Madonna concerts (we hit the Motherload as well). I was visiting from San Diego.

I didn’t realise it was so new!

by Anonymousreply 4009/10/2020

God, I remember the talent night contests hosted by "The Lovely Carol" She was brilliant!

by Anonymousreply 4109/10/2020

Agree R36 - I don’t understand the absence of little dance clubs. They were great to let loose, have fun and meet guys. If you can’t loosen up enough to dance, how do you let down your guard to talk to someone. The death of dancing is one of the most painful, sad changes of the past 20 years / internet age.

by Anonymousreply 4209/10/2020

Was it Rage or Mickey’s that had the bartenders with the shitty stuck up attitudes? I’m thinking back to the early 2000’s when I would visit L.A.

by Anonymousreply 4309/10/2020

R43, that attitude sounds more like Rage. They also gave watered-down, expensive drinks.

by Anonymousreply 4409/10/2020

Mickeys was much more accepting with less attitude (by WeHo standards) - which is why it attracted older gays. Met a lot of fun people there over the years.

by Anonymousreply 4509/10/2020

R45, once fame and hype got to its head, the Abbey also developed some attitude (bartenders and security). It was a kinder, gayer place in the early '00s.

by Anonymousreply 4609/10/2020

Gay bars are so 2005.

by Anonymousreply 4709/10/2020

R43 - It was definitely Rage. The old Mickeys that burned down was super chill, like a motherland vibe but a little younger. They had the best beer busts on Saturdays out on the patio. I think the new Mickeys was better than the Rage of today. It was a great place to go after hanging out at the San Vicente Inn pool - there were some hot naked guys. It was like a bathhouse but without the grit. It is now a private club Bungalow.

by Anonymousreply 4809/10/2020

I'm surprised it held out so long.

by Anonymousreply 4909/10/2020

So is anything open on the WeHo strip now? Are all the bars closed? Or are some of them serving food to get around rules?

by Anonymousreply 5009/11/2020

R50, good question. I haven't been out there since well before the pandemic. I imagine Fiesta Cantina allows some limited outdoor seating and takeout.

by Anonymousreply 5109/11/2020

Fiesta, The Abbey, The Bayou, Roccos, St. Felix, Pump, Hi Tops are all open for outdoor seating but you have to order at least 1 food item.

by Anonymousreply 5209/11/2020

I lived at Rage and Mickeys in the late 90s.

by Anonymousreply 5309/11/2020

Nobody went to the Motherlode?

by Anonymousreply 5409/11/2020

So this is where Trump admitted what a liar he is? I did not see that coming.

by Anonymousreply 5509/11/2020

Is West Hollywood as intimidating as I imagine it is?

by Anonymousreply 5609/11/2020

R54 - Yes! It was the last place I went after they announced the pandemic, but before they issued the lockdown the next day in March. Everyone was on edge if someone even hinted at a cough. People still go there.

by Anonymousreply 5709/11/2020

R56, no, not intimidating IMO. Most people are cool and just want to go out for a fun time. There are some cliquey and/or bitchy people, but who cares about them, and that's any gayborhood in any big city. I have heard other people from out of town express that same opinion however.

by Anonymousreply 5809/12/2020

[quote]God, I remember the talent night contests hosted by "The Lovely Carol" She was brilliant!

I remember her, she was great! Like a drag queen but a real woman.

by Anonymousreply 5909/12/2020

If I recall correctly, Rage was one of the very first gay bars in Los Angeles to come out of the closet so to speak and have doors open to the street. French doors where people could see in to a gay bar was shocking! In contrast, Micky's back then was called the 4 Star and all you could see was a wood door as the front entrance. That's how all the gay bars were. Partially for our own safety.

by Anonymousreply 6009/12/2020

R56 - WeHo is not intimidating at all. People in LA in general are pretty friendly, even if it's just superficially. There are so many bars that there is really something for everyone. Different thread but I think the gay scene in WeHo overall is much more welcoming than NYC.

by Anonymousreply 6109/12/2020

R60 I believe that when The Blue Parrot opened in the 70's it was the first bar to have plate glass windows that opened on to the street when all the other bars hid their patrons from view. From what I recall someone threw a Molotov Cocktail through one of the windows, after which the plate glass was replaced by glass blocks. That may have been when the Blue Parrot was replaced by Revolver in 1981. You can see the interior of the Blue Parrot in the clip below starting at 1:27.

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by Anonymousreply 6209/12/2020

Last time I was there it was all trannies. Weho is tranny central now. The real GAY bars are all in silver lake.

by Anonymousreply 6309/12/2020

R63, I don't know what you are talking about because I have never noticed that once. I feel like people like you just make shit up without even knowing what you're saying.

by Anonymousreply 6409/12/2020

And btw, Silver Lake, sadly, has been losing gay bars and they've been mainly turned into straight places. What gay bars are even still open there? Akbar (mixed), the Eagle. What else?

by Anonymousreply 6509/12/2020

Silverlake was over with the death of MJ's. Is Faultline still around? It's Silverlake adj

by Anonymousreply 6609/12/2020

Wow, thanks for that R62. I remember the glass block but I guess the window was before my time. I only knew it as Revolver and knew it was called the Blue Parrot but never saw it in person.

by Anonymousreply 6709/13/2020

Notice how in the video they talk about Gay Liberation not LGBTQXYZ. Just saying.

by Anonymousreply 6809/13/2020

r63, maybe you visited during a RPDR hosting night.

by Anonymousreply 6909/13/2020

If you haven't been to Faultline in a few years, you will be Back to the Future shocked at how it has turned into a lame West Hollywood type place.

by Anonymousreply 7009/13/2020

Gay bars always open and close. The fact that this one survived 37 years is a miracle.

More gay bars will come to take its place. They always do.

by Anonymousreply 7109/13/2020

R71 - well, yes - but they are now less distinguishable from straight bars. Expensive drinks, hardly any dancing, everyone staring at their phones.

I weep for the death of our gay nightlife scene. I know it's dramatic, but it used to be SOOO good. There were a lot more places and things weren't insanely expensive. And there were crowds.

by Anonymousreply 7209/13/2020

[quote] I weep for the death of our gay nightlife scene.


You're just getting older, that's all.

by Anonymousreply 7309/13/2020

There is a really fun bar in the valley called The Bullet Bar - it's like on the Burbank/Noho border. It's a drive over the hill, but they have a mixed crowd, cheap drinks, a big outdoor space, and events each night that are engaging. I hope they make it - the owners seem like good people and they've retained their staff for a long time.

by Anonymousreply 7409/13/2020

In 1987. Getting out of a white stretch limo in front of Rage with six of my best buddies from Florida. Dancing and tooting the nite away. We picked up Nick Icona aka Joey Stefano and all wound up back in a hot tub in the hills with John Corbin.

by Anonymousreply 7509/13/2020

Everyone was much more 'present' then. Things were more exciting in the bars because you didn't have your phone and the apps to fall back on. It was pickup at the bar or head to a glory hole establishment or a public park.

by Anonymousreply 7609/13/2020

I agree about Bullet Bar. Some nights echo the way Spike in Weho used to be decades ago: Wild and fun.

by Anonymousreply 7709/13/2020

Spike!!!!! I totally forgot about that place. I met a great love when I was trying to score coke before a rave.. I miss after hours. Is that still a thing? I don't think I could party all night anymore without the next week ruined.

by Anonymousreply 7809/13/2020

Spike used to be the most fun place in weho. WILD. I loved it.

by Anonymousreply 7909/13/2020

R72: I just turned 55 and I'm just happy I was able to go out and have a great time.

by Anonymousreply 8009/13/2020

The Spike has been gone for years, like maybe a decade or so.

by Anonymousreply 8109/15/2020

[quote]Gay bars always open and close. The fact that this one survived 37 years is a miracle. More gay bars will come to take its place. They always do.

NOPE! Sorry Gramps, you live in a bubble trapped in time. Gay bars are not coming back. They have been dying out for the past 10 to 15 years. Gay acceptance, straights going to gay bars and hook up apps have killed the gay bars. Younger gays don't feel threatened anymore and don't get or see a reason to go to gay bars. Older gays who owned the business are selling out literally to the highest bidder, holding out for a gay friendly buyer is not in their Boomer all about me and my retirement plan that they care about.

Lots of people blame the young gays for not caring about the bars, but there are two sides to that story. Every gay bar I know that has closed down was owned by older gay men looking for millions in retirement and NONE of them sold with the intention of keeping it gay. Oh, they gave it lip service, but in practice they went with the highest cash out. I'm looking at you Ripples LB and Boom Boom Laguna.

by Anonymousreply 8209/15/2020

Wait, R75 - THIS John Corbin?

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by Anonymousreply 8309/16/2020

Isn’t this where Hollywood’s chicken hawks would send their people to pick up barey18 year olds? What will they do now? I suppose tik tok allows for online shopping now.

by Anonymousreply 8409/16/2020

You have to be 21 and over to drink in California R84. That whole chicken hawk thing died out 20 years ago. Rage skewed 25 -35 something.

by Anonymousreply 8509/16/2020

R83 Yep all 6'4" of him.

by Anonymousreply 8609/16/2020

Remember Numbers??? I was to young for the OG one one Sunset but the Number above the now closed gym bar? That was during the Spike era. You could go there under 21 and old men would buy drinks, etc. Not having an open whore bar is also a loss. I've been to clubs all over the world, but there was something about the late 90's Numbers that was unique.

by Anonymousreply 8709/16/2020

R83 R86 don't even know the correct name of the person they are referring to

by Anonymousreply 8809/16/2020

Because Bo Derek's live-in boyfriend for the last two decades is always trolling Santa Monica Blvd

by Anonymousreply 8909/16/2020

Ug. So sad.

I never had a crowd that hit the bars. I'd go myself and am an LA 4 and a midwest 6.

Couldn't connect.

There were a few trips to the Abbey and other places sometimes when the stars aligned.

I was always cautious back in the day, fear of AIDS. Now, it's fear of COVID.

Fear. Fear. Fear.


by Anonymousreply 9009/16/2020

R84 Now they cruise high schools and check Grindr.

by Anonymousreply 91Last Thursday at 12:52 AM

[quote]Remember Numbers???

Yep. I remember the original one on Sunset where the Laugh Factory is. You didn't go there so trolls would buy you free drinks Dear, they expected something in return. It was a true piss elegant hustler bar. Young men selling themselves to older men by choice. Supposedly, the bar tenders used to wear numbers on their shirt to easily identify them. But it was the patrons who were the hustlers. I went there a few times just to people watch as did others. So you never knew who was there for work and who was there to have a drink and dine in a gay establishment.

The space was kind of bazaar 70's glam. You entered from the back of the building into a pink mirrored room on all side where the bathrooms were located. Then a cheesy spiral stairway down into the main floor. Along one wall was the bar and across were red leather booths. Believe it or not, they served really good food. Fancy things like escargot in garlic butter!

It wasn't unusual to see really expensive flashy cars pull up around black like Rolls Royce and limos. (it was the 80's) Rumor has it that several boys never returned or seen again after tricking with some old rich closet gays. It was a lot of fun just to watch. I never made it to the new location across for the gym, that seemed like such a sterile location by compassion.

FYI there was a second hustler bar in the area also known for working boys at the time but not as popular. I think it was called The Carriage Trade.

by Anonymousreply 92Last Thursday at 2:16 AM

Is Pump still open? Never understood what that bar was selling. Rich? White? Glam?

by Anonymousreply 93Last Thursday at 2:39 AM

And the Abbey solders on.

by Anonymousreply 94Last Thursday at 8:38 AM

R84, that would be Tiger Heat where, psssst, you could have gotten in with a Fake ID. Is that event even still around?

by Anonymousreply 95Last Thursday at 9:37 AM

R93 Pump is a restaurant

by Anonymousreply 96Last Thursday at 10:03 AM

R38: yes, the Castro in SF has 11 gay bars within a 2-block area. Six of them are open for outdoor drinking & dining, and two others are open for “to-go” service only. Only one (Badlands) has shut permanently due to COVID.

by Anonymousreply 97Last Thursday at 10:04 AM

Thanks R97

by Anonymousreply 98Last Thursday at 11:04 AM

So Pump is like SUR; primarily a restaurant with a bar that serves bachelorette parties. Looks like it’s on quite a prime corner location. Too bad.

by Anonymousreply 99Last Thursday at 12:00 PM

I've never been to Pump -- it looks even less appealing that Here Lounge was.

by Anonymousreply 100Last Thursday at 12:01 PM

Here Lounge closed? I alway liked it as a more low key option from Abbey. Now Hi-Tops is a good pace - relatively chill for WeHo.

by Anonymousreply 101Last Thursday at 12:35 PM

Pump at least has stayed in business for six years. Every other business in that prime location has closed down within a couple years for decades.

by Anonymousreply 102Last Thursday at 1:41 PM

Sid Luft owned Faultlne when he was married to Judy Garland and her signature in concrete is still behind the bar.

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by Anonymousreply 103Last Thursday at 1:45 PM

Judy's signature in concrete at Faultline

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by Anonymousreply 104Last Thursday at 1:50 PM

[quote]I've never been to Pump

Dont waste your money, Pump sucks. The ONLY reason it was popular is because the owner was one of the Beverly Hills Housewives (Lisa Vanderpump) and they filmed there once and a while. So of course all the wannabe discovered gays and straights flock there pretending it's just for the food hoping the cameras show up so they can look like an extra in the background of a shitty reality show.

by Anonymousreply 105Last Saturday at 2:48 AM

LVPs restaurants were always crappy. Even before RHoBH, I never understood their appeal. Except hey were in the right neighborhood,

by Anonymousreply 106Last Saturday at 5:07 PM

Never fear, the Bird Cage is coming near.

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by Anonymousreply 107Last Saturday at 9:05 PM

fascinating. I didn't know there were plans for that corner. It will certainly improve the look. Right across the street from the Abbey.

by Anonymousreply 108Last Saturday at 10:27 PM

Everything on N Robertson is going to be so expensive. They are smart. The Abbey is already where gay and straight go. A bird cage theme style is going to have everyone wanting to eat there and then to the Abbey for drinks. I think there is a boutique hotel coming in.

by Anonymousreply 109Last Saturday at 11:06 PM

I posted that Bird Cage thing, it's supposed to happen as part of the take down of Studio One. It's a distraction for bulldozing Studio One as a landmark and replacing it with a hotel and shopping center. Sigh.

The best comment I read about the Bird Cage idea was "It's absurd and garish the perfect city to put it in" LOL I am sure it will be popular.

by Anonymousreply 110Last Saturday at 11:13 PM

[quote]Everything on N Robertson is going to be so expensive

Going to be? Have you been living under a rock? You cant buy a shitty 2 bedroom house there for under 2 million dollars. It's been that way for 2 decades!

by Anonymousreply 111Last Saturday at 11:16 PM

That corner could use some sprucing up. That hamburger place is a dump.

by Anonymousreply 112Last Saturday at 11:26 PM

Remember Faces in East St. Louis?

by Anonymousreply 113Last Sunday at 12:10 AM

If anyone didn't know, Flaming Saddles is OUT

by Anonymousreply 114Last Sunday at 12:25 AM

Flaming Saddles, Rage, The Brit in Long Beach, and Ripples are all out of business this year. I wont be surprised if more fallow. Some gay or gay friendly restaurants closed too. Cafe D'Etoile in West Hollywood for mysterious reasons without warning just before Covid. And in LB Cafe Piccolo permanently closed due to Covid.

Ripples just from poor management and greed selling out to the highest bidder. The two old troll made 4 million selling it to some burger and brew chain. It wont be gay. Irronicly, one of them just got Covid according to my Facebook connection with him. Dude was laughing all over FB about how they sold their place just before the pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 115Last Sunday at 3:37 AM

I'm actually low key excited for Bottega Louie to open up.

by Anonymousreply 116Last Sunday at 6:36 AM

R112 it closed down this year

by Anonymousreply 117Last Sunday at 8:16 AM

Has Flaming Saddles ever done well? I moved to Europe for a couple of years in around 2013 and when I got back, Flaming Saddles was there. It has never seem crowded or lively whenever I have walked by. Was this a NYC bar import? What's going in it's place?

by Anonymousreply 118Last Sunday at 8:23 AM

It's astonishing Cafe d'Etoile was still open until this year. It was there when I moved to LA in 1993.

by Anonymousreply 119Last Sunday at 4:27 PM

I am bummed about Cafe d'Etoile, they had decent food and it was nice to know some places remain the same with so much turnover in the area. Lost of history there. I wish they would have at least just gave people a weeks heads up that they were closing so we could go one last time, hundreds of people chimed in about wanting to do that. But they just closed their doors without warning and said that's it.

by Anonymousreply 120Last Sunday at 4:33 PM

R115 I am aware of no binding contractual mechanism by which a seller can demand a buyer keep a business gay, an Irish bar, a tea shop, or anything else. If these guys were selling to retire, they'd be crazy to accept anything but the most favourable terms.

by Anonymousreply 121Last Sunday at 4:49 PM

OK Boomer. Well than you are not very educated about gay history R121 are you? There is no "mechanism" to demand anything, it was a gay version of a gentleman's agreement that once a gay bar was established, if you wanted to get out you would try to sell it to someone who would keep it gay. It's part of what the gay movement was about in the early days. Not just protest or parades, but establishing business roots in a community. It's not always about the money. But if you are a Boomer or their spawn, you probably don't understand that.

And by the way Irish pubs, Jewish delis and the like always seemed to have a way to keep it within the ethnic group back in the day without any mechanism either.

by Anonymousreply 122Last Sunday at 11:16 PM
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