It’s been said that his suicide was the result of his repressed homosexuality. There’s several online articles about this theory. Was he involved with anyone? Or were there just trysts with pretty Cuban boys at his bungalow? Asking for a friend. I know that this is hard to believe, but I’m sure some of you have strong opinions about it. Discuss...
Ernest Hemingway - CLOSETED?
|by Anonymous||reply 59||09/18/2020|
He was married four times.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||09/08/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 2||09/08/2020|
He never sucked my cock
|by Anonymous||reply 3||09/08/2020|
I’ve noticed most of the gays moving to PV have a latina pinga fetish. Could be something similar.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||09/08/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 5||09/08/2020|
He topped himself because he had bipolar, as did/do most of the people in his family
|by Anonymous||reply 6||09/08/2020|
I just saw Mariel Hemingway in Star 80 (1983), with the world's biggest ham actor (Eric Roberts). OMG, awful.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||09/08/2020|
[quote]Or were there just trysts with pretty Cuban boys at his bungalow?
Oh, I need to hear more about THIS.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||09/08/2020|
Gore Vidal called him gay in his memoir Palimpsest, and he knew lots of important people, and he was also connected to the lost gen and expats in Paris and Rome et al.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||09/09/2020|
I doubt it.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||09/09/2020|
I always suspected it of him. He was just "too" masculine, as if he had something to prove. Or hide.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||09/09/2020|
Zelda Fitzgerald pegged him as a homo. But then, she was cray-cray.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||09/09/2020|
homo runs in that family, that's for sure
|by Anonymous||reply 13||09/09/2020|
Homo runs in the family? Mariel? Margaux?
|by Anonymous||reply 14||09/09/2020|
R9. According to Vidal, everyone was a homosexuality. But he was the only “man,” because he didn’t “do” anything (I.a stone cold top).
|by Anonymous||reply 15||09/09/2020|
Son was bi and finally trans. Grandson is gay. I think his father had suspect heterosexuality as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||09/09/2020|
Where was Ernest when he shot himself? Ketchum, Idaho? Who lives in that house now? Address? I would love to visit the exact suicide location.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||09/09/2020|
There’s been rampant speculation about this for decades.
Deep reads of the sexless Hemingway-like protagonist palling around with the faux Fitzgeralds in “The Sun Also Rises” added fuel to the suspicions
|by Anonymous||reply 18||09/09/2020|
I read that he was crazy about Josephine Baker and would go to her shows often in Paris.
If that doesn't say gay LOL, just kidding. But he did say that she was "the most sensational woman" he'd ever seen.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||09/15/2020|
I live in Key West and know several Hemingway "scholars" (some of whom are gay) and no one has ever mentioned this.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||09/15/2020|
Hemingway Wore Khakis.
(Gap Khakis Campaign 1993-1994).
|by Anonymous||reply 21||09/15/2020|
He probably moved to a remote locale to avoid prying eyes. He definitely had a fear of being perceived as a 'sissy'.
A writer; an alcoholic; a suicide; and all those cats...
|by Anonymous||reply 22||09/15/2020|
The trans son has a sad story. But she smiled through it.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||09/15/2020|
Repressed = no trysts with pretty Cuban boys or anyone else. I mean, that's what repressed means.
He definitely had masculinity issues but I seriously doubt that's why he killed himself.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||09/15/2020|
Been there done that
|by Anonymous||reply 25||09/15/2020|
[quote]and all those cats...
You mean he was a LESBIAN TOO?
|by Anonymous||reply 26||09/15/2020|
There's a reason they called him "Papa".
|by Anonymous||reply 27||09/15/2020|
Please. Hemingway killed himself for medical (physical and psychological) issues not related to homosexuality. Whatever concerns he may have had earlier in life, they were not significant when he died.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||09/15/2020|
Mr. Hemingway was cute as a young man...in bed. In "A Moveable Feast" [he's handsome on the cover of the 2009 Scribner restored edition], he tells of the time F. Scott Fitzgerald asked him to look at his penis and tell him if he was "too small." [He was – no “Great Gatsby” in [italic]his[/italic] pants – but Hemingway was polite, and attempted to reassure him. ] I believe F. Scott’s [italic]little problem[/italic] is the reason Zelda went insane.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||09/15/2020|
His father also committed suicide by firearm in his sixties.
Suicide runs in families; having a close biological relative who commits suicide increases one's risk greatly.
A mixture of genetics, alcoholism and coping with aging.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||09/15/2020|
Aside from the sun, what else also rises...?
|by Anonymous||reply 31||09/15/2020|
He was such a big dyke.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||09/15/2020|
I got the feeling that Hemingway had homosexual encounters when young.
In "A Moveable Feast" he made wholly gratuitous references to homosexuals lurking when he was a young man.
But I wasn't sure if he had just acted as trade to get money.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||09/15/2020|
Didn't Louise Brooks say she thought he was a closet case?
|by Anonymous||reply 34||09/15/2020|
His father, I believe, committed suicide; Ernest hated his mother; he had a bad plane crash and got concussion, began to think the FBI was surveilling him, which they were; his wife had him committed=ergo, he killed himself.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||09/15/2020|
R26 No, Rose...[italic]LEBANESE[/italic]...
|by Anonymous||reply 36||09/15/2020|
He had an unrequited crush on F. Scott Fitzgerald. No sane person would put up with his crap.
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|by Anonymous||reply 38||09/15/2020|
I've forgotten all the details but years ago I read that someone was walking with Ernest down the street when Hemingway saw a man on the other side of the street who he perceived to be a homosexual. He crossed the street in a fury and beat up the man who he thought was gay. The other man with him was shocked at his behavior. Translation: Internalized Homophobia on Hemingway's part.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||09/15/2020|
r39, that's awful. He sounds like an awful person
|by Anonymous||reply 40||09/15/2020|
[quote] He probably moved to a remote locale to avoid prying eyes.
The Keys were very popular with writers in the '30s-'40s and beyond. Lillian Hellman, Elizabeth Bishop, and tons of writers went there for extended times for vacation.
Also, FSF asked Hemingway about his penis size because Zelda was always telling him that it was small to hurt his pride.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||09/16/2020|
His sister Sunny played ragtime piano at my house in 1973.
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|by Anonymous||reply 43||09/16/2020|
Please give us more details about his suicide. Where, when, who found him, where is he buried, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||09/16/2020|
A good amount of subtext in The Sun Also Rises. The protagonist describes everything he sees for paragraphs on end, yet doesn't say more than a sentence about his "injury" that had apparently left him impotent. Sure, Jan
|by Anonymous||reply 45||09/16/2020|
"I always suspected it of him. He was just "too" masculine, as if he had something to prove. Or hide. "
I agree. He wasn't secure in his masculinity, there was always something fake and desperate about his attempts to look butcher than thou.
I just don't know what it was he was trying to hide, I'd always thought "tiny dick".
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|by Anonymous||reply 47||09/17/2020|
"He wasn't secure in his masculinity, there was always something fake and desperate about his attempts to look butcher than thou."
Fair point, but you could argue MANY straight men aren't secure in their masculinities.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||09/17/2020|
Mama dressing him up as a girl for years didn't help matters.
Unless we consider Lil' Ernest as proto-Trans. In which case, they is a pioneer in genderfuck.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||09/17/2020|
Ernest Hemingway is NOT a fag... and I'm the dame who can prove it.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||09/17/2020|
But he seemed so respectful towards women until now!
|by Anonymous||reply 51||09/17/2020|
Oops, ignore r51 it was posted to the wrong thread
|by Anonymous||reply 52||09/17/2020|
It definitely was, R51/52! Lol
|by Anonymous||reply 53||09/17/2020|
Have you read The Garden of Eden R49?
|by Anonymous||reply 54||09/17/2020|
I've read a few Gary Cooper bios and the parts about their "bromance" always reads like Hemingway had a "real" man crush on GC. They liked to go out and do manly things like camping, fishing and hunting. But it always sounds like EH was more in love with GC than just idealizing him as an Alpha Male. He killed himself soon after Cooper died.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||09/17/2020|
Hemingway wasn't homosexual.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||09/17/2020|
I haven't read The Garden of Eden. Is it good?
In Islands in the Stream, there is a scene where the 'protagonist' pets his cat until it orgasms. I kid you not.
When I read that as a teenager, I wasn't sure if it was depraved or brave of him to write that. He was old by then so maybe didn't give a crap.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||09/18/2020|
I wouldn’t say it is good R57, but it seems to betray a fair amount of gender anxiety.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||09/18/2020|
I'd expect a bit of "gender anxiety" in a straight man who'd been raised as a girl, R58.
But I wouldn't expect a lifetime of desperate blowhard demonstrations of masculinity, I'm assuming there was some other issue on top of the expected gender insecurity. Same-sex attraction or tiny dick at a guess.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||09/18/2020|