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Ernest Hemingway - CLOSETED?

It’s been said that his suicide was the result of his repressed homosexuality. There’s several online articles about this theory. Was he involved with anyone? Or were there just trysts with pretty Cuban boys at his bungalow? Asking for a friend. I know that this is hard to believe, but I’m sure some of you have strong opinions about it. Discuss...

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by Anonymousreply 5909/18/2020

He was married four times.

by Anonymousreply 109/08/2020

bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 209/08/2020

He never sucked my cock

by Anonymousreply 309/08/2020

I’ve noticed most of the gays moving to PV have a latina pinga fetish. Could be something similar.

by Anonymousreply 409/08/2020

Who?

by Anonymousreply 509/08/2020

He topped himself because he had bipolar, as did/do most of the people in his family

by Anonymousreply 609/08/2020

I just saw Mariel Hemingway in Star 80 (1983), with the world's biggest ham actor (Eric Roberts). OMG, awful.

by Anonymousreply 709/08/2020

[quote]Or were there just trysts with pretty Cuban boys at his bungalow?

Oh, I need to hear more about THIS.

by Anonymousreply 809/08/2020

Gore Vidal called him gay in his memoir Palimpsest, and he knew lots of important people, and he was also connected to the lost gen and expats in Paris and Rome et al.

by Anonymousreply 909/09/2020

I doubt it.

by Anonymousreply 1009/09/2020

I always suspected it of him. He was just "too" masculine, as if he had something to prove. Or hide.

by Anonymousreply 1109/09/2020

Zelda Fitzgerald pegged him as a homo. But then, she was cray-cray.

by Anonymousreply 1209/09/2020

homo runs in that family, that's for sure

by Anonymousreply 1309/09/2020

Homo runs in the family? Mariel? Margaux?

by Anonymousreply 1409/09/2020

R9. According to Vidal, everyone was a homosexuality. But he was the only “man,” because he didn’t “do” anything (I.a stone cold top).

by Anonymousreply 1509/09/2020

Son was bi and finally trans. Grandson is gay. I think his father had suspect heterosexuality as well.

by Anonymousreply 1609/09/2020

Where was Ernest when he shot himself? Ketchum, Idaho? Who lives in that house now? Address? I would love to visit the exact suicide location.

by Anonymousreply 1709/09/2020

There’s been rampant speculation about this for decades.

Deep reads of the sexless Hemingway-like protagonist palling around with the faux Fitzgeralds in “The Sun Also Rises” added fuel to the suspicions

by Anonymousreply 1809/09/2020

I read that he was crazy about Josephine Baker and would go to her shows often in Paris.

If that doesn't say gay LOL, just kidding. But he did say that she was "the most sensational woman" he'd ever seen.

by Anonymousreply 1909/15/2020

I live in Key West and know several Hemingway "scholars" (some of whom are gay) and no one has ever mentioned this.

by Anonymousreply 2009/15/2020

Hemingway Wore Khakis.

(Gap Khakis Campaign 1993-1994).

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by Anonymousreply 2109/15/2020

He probably moved to a remote locale to avoid prying eyes. He definitely had a fear of being perceived as a 'sissy'.

A writer; an alcoholic; a suicide; and all those cats...

by Anonymousreply 2209/15/2020

The trans son has a sad story. But she smiled through it.

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by Anonymousreply 2309/15/2020

Repressed = no trysts with pretty Cuban boys or anyone else. I mean, that's what repressed means.

He definitely had masculinity issues but I seriously doubt that's why he killed himself.

by Anonymousreply 2409/15/2020

Been there done that

by Anonymousreply 2509/15/2020

[quote]and all those cats...

You mean he was a LESBIAN TOO?

by Anonymousreply 2609/15/2020

There's a reason they called him "Papa".

by Anonymousreply 2709/15/2020

Please. Hemingway killed himself for medical (physical and psychological) issues not related to homosexuality. Whatever concerns he may have had earlier in life, they were not significant when he died.

by Anonymousreply 2809/15/2020

Mr. Hemingway was cute as a young man...in bed. In "A Moveable Feast" [he's handsome on the cover of the 2009 Scribner restored edition], he tells of the time F. Scott Fitzgerald asked him to look at his penis and tell him if he was "too small." [He was – no “Great Gatsby” in [italic]his[/italic] pants – but Hemingway was polite, and attempted to reassure him. ] I believe F. Scott’s [italic]little problem[/italic] is the reason Zelda went insane.

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by Anonymousreply 2909/15/2020

His father also committed suicide by firearm in his sixties.

Suicide runs in families; having a close biological relative who commits suicide increases one's risk greatly.

A mixture of genetics, alcoholism and coping with aging.

by Anonymousreply 3009/15/2020

Aside from the sun, what else also rises...?

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by Anonymousreply 3109/15/2020

He was such a big dyke.

by Anonymousreply 3209/15/2020

I got the feeling that Hemingway had homosexual encounters when young.

In "A Moveable Feast" he made wholly gratuitous references to homosexuals lurking when he was a young man.

But I wasn't sure if he had just acted as trade to get money.

by Anonymousreply 3309/15/2020

Didn't Louise Brooks say she thought he was a closet case?

by Anonymousreply 3409/15/2020

His father, I believe, committed suicide; Ernest hated his mother; he had a bad plane crash and got concussion, began to think the FBI was surveilling him, which they were; his wife had him committed=ergo, he killed himself.

by Anonymousreply 3509/15/2020

R26 No, Rose...[italic]LEBANESE[/italic]...

by Anonymousreply 3609/15/2020

He had an unrequited crush on F. Scott Fitzgerald. No sane person would put up with his crap.

by Anonymousreply 3709/15/2020

oh daddy!

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by Anonymousreply 3809/15/2020

I've forgotten all the details but years ago I read that someone was walking with Ernest down the street when Hemingway saw a man on the other side of the street who he perceived to be a homosexual. He crossed the street in a fury and beat up the man who he thought was gay. The other man with him was shocked at his behavior. Translation: Internalized Homophobia on Hemingway's part.

by Anonymousreply 3909/15/2020

r39, that's awful. He sounds like an awful person

by Anonymousreply 4009/15/2020

[quote] He probably moved to a remote locale to avoid prying eyes.

The Keys were very popular with writers in the '30s-'40s and beyond. Lillian Hellman, Elizabeth Bishop, and tons of writers went there for extended times for vacation.

Also, FSF asked Hemingway about his penis size because Zelda was always telling him that it was small to hurt his pride.

by Anonymousreply 4109/16/2020

His sister Sunny played ragtime piano at my house in 1973.

by Anonymousreply 4209/16/2020

bump

by Anonymousreply 4309/16/2020

Please give us more details about his suicide. Where, when, who found him, where is he buried, etc.

by Anonymousreply 4409/16/2020

A good amount of subtext in The Sun Also Rises. The protagonist describes everything he sees for paragraphs on end, yet doesn't say more than a sentence about his "injury" that had apparently left him impotent. Sure, Jan

by Anonymousreply 4509/16/2020

"I always suspected it of him. He was just "too" masculine, as if he had something to prove. Or hide. "

I agree. He wasn't secure in his masculinity, there was always something fake and desperate about his attempts to look butcher than thou.

I just don't know what it was he was trying to hide, I'd always thought "tiny dick".

by Anonymousreply 4609/16/2020

Self-loathing gay.

by Anonymousreply 4709/17/2020

"He wasn't secure in his masculinity, there was always something fake and desperate about his attempts to look butcher than thou."

Fair point, but you could argue MANY straight men aren't secure in their masculinities.

by Anonymousreply 4809/17/2020

Mama dressing him up as a girl for years didn't help matters.

Unless we consider Lil' Ernest as proto-Trans. In which case, they is a pioneer in genderfuck.

by Anonymousreply 4909/17/2020

Ernest Hemingway is NOT a fag... and I'm the dame who can prove it.

by Anonymousreply 5009/17/2020

But he seemed so respectful towards women until now!

by Anonymousreply 5109/17/2020

Oops, ignore r51 it was posted to the wrong thread

by Anonymousreply 5209/17/2020

It definitely was, R51/52! Lol

by Anonymousreply 5309/17/2020

Have you read The Garden of Eden R49?

by Anonymousreply 5409/17/2020

I've read a few Gary Cooper bios and the parts about their "bromance" always reads like Hemingway had a "real" man crush on GC. They liked to go out and do manly things like camping, fishing and hunting. But it always sounds like EH was more in love with GC than just idealizing him as an Alpha Male. He killed himself soon after Cooper died.

by Anonymousreply 5509/17/2020

Hemingway wasn't homosexual.

by Anonymousreply 5609/17/2020

I haven't read The Garden of Eden. Is it good?

In Islands in the Stream, there is a scene where the 'protagonist' pets his cat until it orgasms. I kid you not.

When I read that as a teenager, I wasn't sure if it was depraved or brave of him to write that. He was old by then so maybe didn't give a crap.

by Anonymousreply 5709/18/2020

I wouldn’t say it is good R57, but it seems to betray a fair amount of gender anxiety.

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by Anonymousreply 5809/18/2020

I'd expect a bit of "gender anxiety" in a straight man who'd been raised as a girl, R58.

But I wouldn't expect a lifetime of desperate blowhard demonstrations of masculinity, I'm assuming there was some other issue on top of the expected gender insecurity. Same-sex attraction or tiny dick at a guess.

by Anonymousreply 5909/18/2020
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