Alexander Payne DENIES Rose MCGowan sex pest allegation

Does he really have a better choice than to deny?

His statement has the ring of truth to it.

Ugh. The sound of Rose typing in response.

Is he denying the giant dick as well?

Has Sandra Oh weighed in?

He lost me at "I have admired her commitment to activism in an important, historic movement." Such horseshit. There is no "movement", let alone it being "important" or "historic." It's a sordid meme driven by Twitter and social media that pertains almost exclusively to Hollywood, the media and Washington. It has resulted in no new legislation or changed relations between 99.9% of the population. Sexual harassment awareness and lawsuits go back decades. It's more like - "Holy shit - I'd better watch it or I'll end up like Harvey or Bill Cosby." That's about it - it only goes as far as the casting couch.

I believe Rose.

Hindsight is 20/20.

I don’t believe Rose.

She writes about this incident — not naming A.P. — in "Brave."

I already believed him, but this statement just confirms it. Rose needs help.

When asked for comment about Payne’s op-ed, McGowan responded to Variety saying, “F— him and his lies is my comment.”

She continued, “I told Payne to acknowledge and apologize, he has not. I said I didn’t want to destroy, now I do. Why do these men always lie? I will now make it a mission to expose him. I am not the only one.”

Waiting to see if others come out of the wood work.

Men always lie about this shit. Remember Louis CK, Cosby, Weinstein, etc?

I think this is what happened: he did take her to his apartment and show her some soft core video, but she got some details about the video wrong. They fucked and he ditched her. All of this happened when she was of legal age. Rose is clearly lying about how old she was to make herself seem more sympathetic, and now to hurt Payne.

Why she wants to is debatable. Vindictiveness over being mistreated, bitterness that he never gave her a part that would have made her more than just the sexy horror chick, the self-serving calculation that her career as a Professional Victim demands more material and her obvious, undeniable mental illness are plausible motives. It’s probably a combination of each.

[R13] Making sweeping, collective assertions about "men" is not a legitimate argument.

HERE SHE IS BOYS!!!!!! HERE SHE IS WORLD!!!!!!!

HEEERRRREEESSS...... ROSE!!!!!!!

R6 Yes, no question. Watch these online activists who supposedly weep for all victims when you discuss someone who isn't connected to Hollywood/ media and their eyes glaze over in boredom. It's all about providing more protections to the most privileged. And of course the titillation aspect.

In what world would you expect him to admit it? He would incriminate himself. She was absolutely underage.

I’m so sick of people not being able to hold two thoughts in their heads at once. YES, Rose is an unhinged egomaniac and most likely has a mood disorder. YES, she was also raped more than once in her life.

Rose is a fucking cunt liar. She took hush money because she fucked for roles and then turned it around to make it seem like she was abused because she's crazy. She got drunk on her own perceived power and has done the TimesUp movement more harm than good.

Rose needs to realize that nobody cares anymore. Everybody has already moved on to other social justice causes that they can commodify. BLM is the new #MeToo, or hasn't she heard?

R18, how do you account for the fact that he was in film school when she was fifteen in 1988-1989?

You can put together a plausible narrative from Rose’s account if you age her up a few years, but at age fifteen, none of the other details make any sense.

[R20] If Rose went transblack might her #MeToo intersectionalize with BLM? Would that make her relevant again?

Alexander Payne should have said, "I won't dignify these allegations with an answer. Rose knows the truth." and left it at that. Does anyone understand the power of understatement or brevity anymore?

[quote]YES, she was also raped more than once in her life.

And just how many times was this crazy bitch raped? Do we have a ballpark figure or are we taking an average? Estimating up or down?

[quote] Alexander Payne should have said, "I won't dignify these allegations with an answer. Rose knows the truth." and left it at that. Does anyone understand the power of understatement or brevity anymore?

I disagree. He countered calmly and assuredly not with a statement but with cold, hard facts. If he'd made a statement like yours above, he would have looked guilty to many. But he basically proved she's a liar.

He didn’t deny the huge cock. Yay!

[R24] His opening statement bowing to the digital mob was undignified. That made him look weak to me.

He should get the same treatment Kevin Spacey got. I’m sick of the double standards.

I believe him. Period.

R27 He will never get the same treatment Spacey got. No straight actor accused ever will. And we all know exactly why that is.

[R27] Don't hide behind postures of being "sick of double standards" - you want a witch hunt. What happens if you are falsely accused of something and you're considered guilty because of your gender or race? Is that the world you would create? Jesus.

The age of consent for heterosexual sex should be never.

R30, The gay guy got witch-hunted and thrown out of the business. What’s fair is fair.

Weird that he took so long to respond. Almost everybody had already forgotten it and it didn't really blow up anyways. Should have just ignored her.

R30 You've wandered into the wrong forum, dear. We don't defend straight men here (unless they're hot). Stormfront is right down the hall, second door to the right.

If it were a legal proceeding Rose's allegations would already be cast in doubt, if not dismissed, due to errors in the timeline. If she doesn't understand how essential getting her timeline right is she must not be very bright since her argument is based on "age of consent."

[R34] If that's your attitude then you deserve all the discrimination you would visit upon others. Your argument is immoral.

R36 No, heterosexuality is immoral. My attitude is simply common sense.

[quote] Rose and I did meet years later, in 1991, during my first directing job, when she auditioned for a comic short I was making for a Playboy Channel series. Although she did not get the part, she left a note for me at the casting desk asking that I call her. I had no reason to question how old she was, since the role she read for required an actor who was of age. We later went out on a couple of dates and remained on friendly terms for years.

Rose's DOB: Sept. 5, 1973. She would have been 17 or 18.

In OP's photo, guy looks like he's wearing a gray hair piece, nest-type.

If witch hunts were good enough for men accused of abusing boys, then I fucking demand them when the abuse is heterosexual in nature.

R36, Stop defending this old misogonyist. He is sleaze. If he were gay, the Hollywood reporter would never give him an op Ed to defend himself. They sure as fuck would never let Bryan Singer.

R36: If gays “deserve” discrimination, then heterosexual deserve concentration camps and gulags.

R49, Kevin Spacey didn’t even abuse any boy. It was a drunken misunderstanding and Kevin walked him to the door and called him a cab. He’s a cad with young adult men but so are his straight single peers with women.

No non-gay sex can ever be consensual or will ever be consensual.

Just for this, homosexuality should be mandatory.

[italic]Election [/italic] is basically a jailbait fantasy about the female equivalent of Alex P Keaton.

He shut her down

There’s a story in the other thread about a woman who got sexually harassed on one of his sets. Seems like a very problematic environment.

Normally don't rush to judgement, but he seems much more credible than Rose. She really needs to get herself some help.

Appropriate - so to speak - thread music

I didn't realize there were so many fanatical gays dreaming of genocide against straight men. Believe it or not, being gay doesn't necessarily equate to being in opposition to the straight world. I guess a certain class of gays are so invested in acting the part of victim that this attitude will be with us for the foreseeable future. I'm curious as to whether the fire-and-brimstone posters are old, ugly, nudist Radical Fairy types or young "American Taliban" activists. Perhaps both?

R49, All I’m saying is he deserves equal punishment as the gay guy. Same crimes only Spacey’s didn’t include sexual contact.

[quote]Weird that he took so long to respond.

He probably wanted to get his receipts in order before making a statement. The mistake a lot of the accused make is responding too quickly. Knee jerk responses never serve them well.

As for Spacey, I don't think he did anything wrong. It's a shame what happened to him.

The world of heterosexuality is a dull and boring life!

[R50] He is the target of a suspect allegation by a mentally unstable woman who's alienated many in the movement she's identified herself with. He hasn't been convicted of a crime and the allegation is impossible to prove or disprove. It's all hearsay. Old hearsay.

R53, No she hasn’t. She only alienated herself from that lying skank Alyssa Milano. Alyssa is a lie!

It's not hearsay, it's Rose having a vendetta against someone who wouldn't throw her a bone when her career was going down the shitter. That's why she included the glib "I don't want to destroy anybody" comment in her original post. She knows exactly what she's doing, and what she's doing is using the #MeToo movement and the weapon of social media to settle bitter scores. She's getting revenge against Hollywood for how it rejected her, crossing names off her list one accusation at a time.

She's crafty, I'll give her that. Her story would make an excellent Greecian revenge story. A less sympathetic version of Medea.

Alec Baldwin from October, 2018:

“She’s a tragic front person for [the #MeToo] cause,” he told the Reporter in the new interview, “and I say that because you don’t stand much of a chance of getting where you want to be if you’re going to arbitrarily alienate and excoriate innocent men. … It’s like all of a sudden, she’s one of the Crips — the head of her own gang.” He added, “You can print that, by the way.”

[R55] You have a very interesting take on it.

Rose is an incredible woman. I hate seeing so much hatred of her on this site.

[R55] Rose might make a good template as the basis for the lead in a revenge thriller.

R57 It makes sense, doesn't it? At its core I think that's what much of the #MeToo movement was. People settling scores. That's why it was never working actresses openly accusing people, never the ones with active careers.

I'm not saying all of the accusations were lies, I'm just saying that I wouldn't be suprised if one or more of them turned out to be certain people in show business' way of revenge for not be helped out as their careers started to tank.

After all, revenge is a dish best served publicly, as a buffet to an angry pitchfork-wielding mob.

[quote] the allegation is impossible to prove or disprove.

Well in this case Payne does seem to believably disprove her claims. She claimed that when she was 15 he showed her softcore porn he'd directed for Showtime and yet it turned out he was still a student at the time. I believe him. I also tend to believe Rose really left her the note asking for him to call her after the audition. I have a feeling she was using casting couch to her advantage and is now attacking men she fucked for roles.

R61, He wouldn’t be the first guy to lie about having directed something.

She's a lying cunt. That generally makes people hate you if you lie, lie, lie.

You guys are hypocrites. I hope you have the same energy about Bryan Singer. The accusers lawyer even dropped him because he got caught in so many lies and couldn’t keep his own story straight.

The gays are always believed to be predators.

I suspect most people defending McGowan in this thread are not male.

"That's why it was never working actresses openly accusing people, never the ones with active careers."

Can we stop it with the "a woman scorned" nonsense since it was mostly scorned men who retaliated against women not wanting to suck their cocks.

[R60] It's funny but at times #MeToo and its various iterations have prompted me to think of The Crucible and The Scarlet Letter (raised in the Boston area here). I internalized both of those stories as a young person and to this day I think of the potential destructive power of false and/or impossible to substantiate allegations.

Your revenge theory makes perfect sense. Each allegation paved the way for the next. Each actress with an axe to grind was emboldened by the one before. I hadn't thought of Uma Thurman or Salma Hayek in years until their #MeToo-Lite interviews appeared. Salma's gripes with Harvey were particularly laughable - what Hollywood mogul hasn't asked his producer/director to "sex up" a financially risky movie?

R65, You would be wrong. Gay men are sick of the double standards. Anytime someone is accused of a homosexual offense it’s automatically believed.

R67, Harvey is in prison right now for forcible rape where he belongs. Stop trying to blame Salma Hayek you sexist freak.

That’s a huge toupee in OP’s photo. Doesn’t quite match the hair on the sides...

Alexander Payne has sizemeat? Hmmmm........

R65 Yes, agree. I suspect they are similar to this lovely person

I think she just got the dates wrong since his statement is based on her claim it was in the 80s.

He steps around the minor issue when he says he had no reason to think she was underage since she was auditioning for an adult role, which was carefully worded.

"I didn't know anything!"

If you’re defending Alexander Payne but jumped on the bandwagon shaming Kevin Spacey, you’re a piece of shit.

r75 DL has a literally decades long history of comments re: Spacey's predatory behaviour. Yes, it's a semi-anonymous website but the posters were credible with previously known posting histories that jibed with their accounts, i.e. theatre roles, Hollywood insiders (yes OUAT we actually had them here), etc.

Payne is totally different--straight or not doesn't matter. If you re-imagined the story with Payne as gay, there would still be no comparison in the accounts themselves.

R67 I never said I'd compare the #MeToo movement to The Crucible or The Scarlett Letter, and I wouldn't. Those are both feminist works about women being harmed by an oppressive male society, it doesn't work in this case.

The Me Too movement can't be compared to anything because it's unique to the now. Without Twitter and cancel culture it wouldn't exist. This is less of the "evil women going after helpless men" thing and more of just basic showbiz politics.

The only difference is now the stakes are upped. These kinds of petty vendettas have always existed in Hollywood and showbiz in general, but now you can end careers with the push of a button. That's the danger of it. It's taking basic showbiz politics, an evil that comes with the territory, and handing it a bazooka.

It's unlike anything seen before. It's a weird side effect of the time we're living in right now.

[R76] It's a classic tactic to derail an argument and divert to an off-topic subject (in this case gay men as victims). "If it had happened to a gay man...."/"If it had happened to a black person"/"If it had happened to a woman, etc." Then steel yourself for a tedious lecture about how awful a predictable target group is (usually men) as a means of arguing to deny them of their constitutional rights.

[R77] They're not "feminist works." They're about society and justice - THE SCARLET LETTER being about hypocrisy and the notion of permanently branding a person with the mark of sin, THE CRUCIBLE being about the dangers of mass hysteria and mob justice. Among other things.

He's been accused before

Here's the woman's original article that appeared in Jane Magazine but has been scrubbed from Google and other internet searches

I think most directors are terrible pieces of shit.

Is there anyone who has not harassed Rose? Someone needs to let her know that the societal adjustments have started. She just looks like a nut job by continuing to bring new issues up.

I think it’s safe to say that Victor Salva never did, R83.

I am waiting for her next easily disprovable claim. Next it’ll be that Jacob Tremblay molested her in 2004 on the top floor of the World Trade Center. She vividly remembers the song WAP playing in the background when it happened.

She's lost it. Now she's pointing to Election as evidence of him being a pedophile. A) It was based on a BOOK. B) Reese was 22 when it was filmed and none of her scenes were explicit. C) The teacher characters were obviously creeps.

A month ago she had a rather sweet video reunion with Holly Marie Combs (Charmed fans should enjoy) but Rose mentions several times that she has the world's worst memory

Fill me up, Mr. M.

"My velvet fist punching you for life."

She's so fucking pretentious.

Rose was for sale.

Of course she cultivated and attracted " pests ".

Duh.

Interesting how she "called" him. What was she calling him for?

Oh, right. Show the pussy, maybe you'll change his mind. He didn't. You weren't talented enough to get the role, Rose, and neither was your pussy. At least gay men like Gregg Araki hired you.

Live with your slutty decisions, Rose. You can call it "rape". But you're still a whore.

It's interesting that of all the people Rose has publicly slimed that it was a woman who fared worst. Her manager Jill Messick committed suicide last year after being trashed in the media by Rose aka the Purest of the Pure and The Only Person on The Planet Who Has Ever Suffered.

Rose is an opportunist. She is out for herself.

Of course she's coming out with this now that she has nothing going on

She didn't say anything for 25 years? Why didn't she say anything when the Weinstein thing was happening? She should have outed this Alexander guy

This guy may have abused her, but she's only using this for attention/money. She's trash and harms justice for rape victims. She hasn't had any real work since 2016 . Most of her work for the last decade was video shorts or voice work. She has 2 projects lined up, but their her own projects. She's poison

Article from VF . Rose is vile.

Rose is angrier than ever because society is moving on from #MeToo. She knows that the spotlight is no longer on her and that nobody cares anymore, and it enrages her. Her comeback is over and she resents it.

[quote] When asked for comment about Payne’s op-ed, McGowan responded to Variety saying, “F— him and his lies is my comment.”

[quote] She continued, “I told Payne to acknowledge and apologize, he has not. I said I didn’t want to destroy, now I do. Why do these men always lie? I will now make it a mission to expose him. I am not the only one.”

She sounds completely sane and balanced!

She is a washed up actress who needs income! She is rewriting history and the narrative of her past to ride the wave of "victim of toxic masculinity", but Hollywood has it's own set of rules which is not like the rest of the world! She used her body to give herself an advantage, and now she regrets it! You can't rape the willing, darling! There's a difference between "rape" and "regret"!

You WHORED your ass to get ahead and it worked! Fuck off!!! Do you know how many actresses did the EXACT same thing as you and got nothing out of it!!!!!!! You, at least, got a series out of it, you ungrateful SLUT!!!!

r96 I second that!

Seriously, this bitch has Scream, Charmed and cult faves The Doom Generation and Jawbreaker. She could do conventions for life and make good mint.

All her fucking did get her some fame so her open-door pussy did her some favors.

Remember when TCM had her on as a talking head opposite Robert Osborne? Tragic.

Wow, her recent tweet is unhinged! Alex, You In Danger GURL!!!

You think she’ll go after Robert Osborne next?

This story, Rose, #MeToo and everything associated with it has basically been condemned to the history books thanks to COVID. It was already head that way but COVID gave #MeToo the final push.

I am a victim - always.

Aileen Wuornos in the making.

I don't know. I would probably only fuck Alexander Payne for a job. Just look at him.

Comedy Central should do an All Star Celebrity Roast of Rose McGowan. The jokes would write themselves.

I wonder how many others there are who've violated Rose that we don't know about. I hope she reveals every single name.

That "Alexander Payne bullied me!!!" article posted at r80 doesn't accuse him of anything sexual -- the woman accuses somebody on the set of Election of groping her, and then later on when she continued working on the movie she fucked something up royally on her own and Payne freaked out on her, totally disconnected from the groping incident. People keep conflating the two to make it sound worse than it is.

Alexander Payne used facts to defend himself. It sounds like an adult Rose came on to him after her audition, they dated (screwed) a few times, and then it ended. Her addled brain has remixed that into him trying to molest her via the casting couch when she was 15, even though he was an unknown UCLA film student at the time.

After this latest tweet, Payne should sue her ass for defamation.

I believe her in that he probably showed her the porno and lied about directing it to impress her. If she called him, she must’ve wanted something and he was likely trying to impress her by seeming to be able to cast her in other projects.

And all the crap he puts in the beginning about repeating her and this important movement is hilarious. How many straight men do you really think support “#meetoo?”

R33, I think he did not expect to have to make a statement.

Anyone with access to Wikipedia and IMDB had already figured out that McGowan's statement could not be true. It would be expected that someone in the entertainment media might have pointed this out.

It is the bizarre silence on this that necessitated this statement from Payne. He is not a nice man, but he did not do what she claims he did to her at age 15.

Rose's story falls apart on the timeline issue. Born in Sept. 1973, she was 15 in late 1988 or early 1989, when Payne was a film student who wasn't auditioning anybody for roles. In 1991 she would have been 17 or 18, and if she was auditioning for a Playboy short, then the organization producing the film (Playboy) would have made sure she was 18. He would have been about 30 when they had sex, which makes it a little icky but not legally actionable in any way.

Looks like a douche bro.

Wow, Payne really is a complete asshole...and who is George?

R108 Be careful what you wish for. At the rate things are going,you will be next on the list of Roses' abusers.

R104 Bbbutt.. Rose was just acting out after having her precious innocence taken by her myriad Abusers. By wearing that dress, she was Owning Her Sexuality, blah blah blah....

I met Alexander once 15 years ago. I thought he was hot! And I had heard about his notorious Big cock! I also heard he liked to grab guys dicks as a joke. I'm sure he's stopped the sophomoric frat boy horseplay since the METOO thing hit. He can fondle me anytime!

[quote]I also heard he liked to grab guys dicks as a joke

Well, that’s fucking pathetic.

Clearly that wasn’t horseplay, that was him making sure his was the biggest dick in the room.

If you’ve got the goods, Alex, try not to be so fucking insecure about it.

Well apparently R16 there such a thing as too gay.

Spacey has assaulted, drugged and sexually harassed probably hundreds of young men. Anyone defending him does not work in the entertainment industry, period.

It was kind of fun piecing together that woman's article by using IMDB. The Assistant Director George dated Catherine Zeta Jones before she dumped him to marry Michael Douglas. The douche producer who forced her to fuck with SAG hours left the business in 2005. I THINK the cunt assistant producer who wanted her job ended up being one of those implicated in that railroad tressel tragedy? Movies sound like any other workplace- Toxic. Depressing read. And the director has classic BDF. He sounds like a real douche.

[quote] Spacey has assaulted, drugged and sexually harassed probably hundreds of young men. Anyone defending him does not work in the entertainment industry, period.

Drugged? I assume you have solid rumors or proof to back that up since that's the first time I've heard anyone claiming that.

Just to be clear, a man getting a little handsy with twentysomething is guys with banging bodies is slightly different than slipping a roofie in their drink and raping them. Guys that age are perfectly capable of defending themselves from the advances of a middle-aged celebrity. Grabbing someone's cock or squeezing their butts without permission can obviously be awful but it's still a far cry from seriously sexually assaulting them.

*twentysomething guys with

That Spacey Hamptons Waiter kid who was the server that got groped by Spacey was a total grifter!!! His parents were in on the grift too!!! They mysteriously misplaced the kid's smart phone which would prove Spacey's innocence or guilt???? Fuck off! Spacey's lawyer still got the texts from the accuser's carrier and turns out the kid was lying about what happened!!! Ha Ha!!! And his parents found out their All-American perfect angel virginal son is actually GAYYYYYYYYYY!

R125, what happened with the kid's mom? Wasn't she a former news anchor who was expecting the case to make her a star anchor? Instead she and the husband ended up totally losing their credibility when all their evidence meddling was revealed.

BTW, was the kid really revealed to be gay? I only remember him being drunk and curious because a movie star was paying attention to him.

R121, I'm still waiting for your solid rumors of Spacey drugging and sexually assaulting "hundreds" of men.

R125 I didn’t buy that, either.

I was molested.

These comments are emotional ABUSE.

Times up for Rose. She's a fucking asshole. And a liar. She knows full well she wasn't 15 when she knew Payne. Payne's denial rings COMPLETELY TRUE.

R121 is a delusional, insane Trump supporter.

Kevin Spacey was railroaded.

Spacey was disgusting, but he was railroaded, probably because he was gay.

From what I had heard of the mom, she came off to me as a) having denial about her son's sexuality, and b) gunning for attention. She is one of the people who has ruined the #MeToo movement.

They don't call me Alexander PAIN for nothing!

Spacey was destroyed for one reason and one reason only: he was a gay male celebrity who dared to act like a straight man in terms of his sexual openness rather than what the non-gay world wants in a gay man: a sexless queeny hairdresser who only brings up his attraction to men when it can be the butt of a joke.

Spacey was a gay man who dared to openly pursue men rather than keeping it hidden. He wasn't ashamed of his sexuality, the only reason he never came out is because it would have hurt his career. He had a normal sexual appetitie and expressed it in the same way straight men in Hollywood express it all the time. The only difference is that the rules for gay men are always different.

Anthony Rapp, a bitter queen with a dead career, thought he might have a chance at reviving interest in his own lack of talent by taking advantage of the #MeToo movement and playing the victim in favor of taking down Spacey as a way to get his own name in the headlines. This blew up in his face, however, as nobody cared about Rapp and all eyes turned to Spacey instead. Now Spacey's career is just as dead as Rapp's is.

Spacey never did anything that every other man on this planet doesn't do. The only difference is those other men don't get scolded for it. Do you know why? Because they're not gay men.

Spacey was a creep. Probably still is. I know one of the actors he stalked. I can believe it all.

Kevin Spacey was inappropriate. He didn't deserve to have his career taken away from him.

The reaction to Space was completely over the top. The replacing of him with Christopher Plummer was ridiculous, though Plummer was probably better suited to the role.

Spacey was inappropriate but it was all so over the top.

I'm not even a fan of Spacey but I really can't stand Rapp or his nutty, precious Rent fans.

The Spacey defenders are always trashing Rapp as if that somehow makes Spacey look better.

Spacey is a creep and he's lucky he didn't get charged with any crimes, and it's freakish that three of his accusers died within eight months of each other.

For a decade DL was full of stories of Spacey being a perv and a groper, then when he was publicly accused, suddenly he was an innocent man victimized simply for being gay.

Come off it. No one's buying that shit.

Not taking no for an answer is a creep, whether you're doing it to men or women.

R137, if there was only one incident it would have been over the top. If it had only been a handful of cases, a long time ago, it would have been over the top.

I heard all the stories in the 90s (Rapp's and about a dozen others). I left the entertainment industry, but even at this distance around 5 or 6 years ago, I heard a new one from a straight guy Spacey was after.

The guy is a liability. He is a law suit waiting to happen. So why would you take the risk of hiring him?

I believe Rose. Payne is a scumbag.

[quote]I heard all the stories in the 90s (Rapp's and about a dozen others). I left the entertainment industry, but even at this distance around 5 or 6 years ago, I heard a new one from a straight guy Spacey was after.

Did he "drug and sexually assault" them? Or was it just him pursuing guys to have sex with him without ever forcing himself on them? Even though the latter one can obviously be questionable in many ways and the guy doing it a total prick there still is a difference between that and being a rapist.

I just found an article from 2017 where a 48 year old artist claims Spacey tried to rape him when he was 14. Did it happen? That's the only other claim besides Rapp from a guy that young but it's obviously possible it did happen.

Older guys here know what action in gay bars could be, and it sounds like for Spacey the whole world was one big gay bar. The following incident where Space flashed his cock at a young bartender is from the same The Sun article. Space flashed him and then followed him and gave him his $8,600 watch apparently as a bribe to keep him quite. The bartender sold the watch the next day but still decided to go public with the story. Are all men this fragile these days?

[italic]And another young barman, Daniel Beal, exclusively told The Sun he was flashed by Kevin Spacey outside a hotel where he was working in 2010 and handed a $8600 watch afterwards.

The young barman, who was 19 at the time, said he was sitting outside having a cigarette break when Spacey sat down next to him, flashed his privates and said: “It’s big, isn’t it?”

When he walked back into the bar to work, Beal said Spacey followed him and handed him an expensive Swiss watch he was wearing.

“I thought he was joking but he took off his watch and gave it to me,” he said. "Looking back I realise it was to keep me quiet.”

Spacey had reportedly been to a production at the Chichester Festival Theatre nearby at the time. Beal said the encounter was “seedy and weird” and he sold the watch the next day.[/italic]

R143, this latest was stalking--sending repeated unwanted messages and making bribes to help him professionally.

I do not think it is just today that men are "fragile." Getting flashed by an old man was never something young men liked. And why would he need to keep it secret? The watch was not a contract.