DEADLY SHOOTING IN PORTLAND DURING PROTEST

Deadly Shooting in Portland After Pro-Trump Ralliers Clash With Protesters

A caravan of supporters of President Trump drove through downtown Portland, which has seen nightly protests against police violence and racial injustice. One person was shot and killed in the conflicts that erupted.

By Mike Baker

Aug. 30, 2020

Updated 2:10 a.m. ET

PORTLAND, Ore. — A man was shot and killed Saturday as a large group of supporters of President Trump traveled in a caravan through downtown Portland, Ore., which has seen nightly protests for three consecutive months.

The pro-Trump rally drew hundreds of trucks full of supporters into the city. At times, Trump supporters and counterprotesters clashed on the streets, with people shooting paintball guns from the beds of pickup trucks and protesters throwing objects back at them.

A video that purports to be of the shooting, taken from the far side of the street, showed a small group of people in the road outside what appears to be a parking garage. Gunfire erupts, and a man collapses in the street.

The man who was shot and killed was wearing a hat with the insignia of Patriot Prayer, a far-right group based in Portland that has clashed with protesters in the past.

The Portland Police Bureau said that officers heard reports of gunfire shortly before 9 p.m. and found a victim with a gunshot wound to the chest. It was determined that the victim had died. They did not release any information about a possible gunman.

At the scene, police officers blocked off the road and medics attended to a person who appeared to have a chest wound.

Portland has seen nightly demonstrations since the death of George Floyd in police custody in Minneapolis in May. In recent days, right-wing demonstrations have also sprung up in the city, and Mr. Trump has repeatedly highlighted the unrest in Portland as evidence of the need for a tougher law-and-order response to the chaotic protests over police violence and racial injustice that have swept through many American cities.

The Trump supporters gathered earlier Saturday in the suburbs and plotted a route for the several hundred vehicles involved in the event that would have kept them on the highways outside the city center. But some of the ralliers headed directly downtown, where counterprotesters confronted some of the vehicles. Some of the conflicts led to fistfights. In one encounter, a vehicle ran over a bike

... While protests in Portland have persisted, their numbers have changed over time. The nightly events began with mass demonstrations after Mr. Floyd’s death, then shrank to smaller numbers of people who repeatedly clashed with the police. In July, when the federal government sent camouflaged agents into the city, the protest numbers grew dramatically once again. In more recent days, the protest crowd has typically numbered just a few hundred people. On Friday, after a peaceful demonstration in front of Mayor Ted Wheeler’s residence, a crowd went out to a police association building, where some of the protesters set fire to the front of the building before the police dispersed the crowd.

The police have made dozens of arrests in recent days as they have chased protesters through the streets, at times knocking them to the ground.

Mr. Trump has repeatedly focused on the unrest in Portland, including during the Republican National Convention last week, challenging the city’s leaders to end the chaos. Mr. Trump said in a tweet on Friday that the federal government would go into the city if the mayor were unable to maintain control.

Mr. Wheeler has asked Mr. Trump to stay away, saying the earlier federal presence had made things worse.

[quote]The man who was shot and killed was wearing a hat with the insignia of Patriot Prayer, a far-right group based in Portland that has clashed with protesters in the past.

Well, one down. Whew.

[quote] The man who was shot and killed was wearing a hat with the insignia of Patriot Prayer, a far-right group based in Portland that has clashed with protesters in the past.

When LARPing gets real.

Not good. The mayor there really sucks. He should have put a damper on things a month ago.

It’s on CNN now

PLEASE NO TWITTER POSTS FROM THAT FAT GRIFTER ANDY NGO

Andy has been posting on Datalounge with 120 posts out of 360 in the last thread before it was paywalled.

Go to the original Twitter posters account, because all that Fat Andy does is repost things.

They should have never let that crazy Trump caravan into town.

The killer is wearing knee-high socks and sandals.....

Its going to spread.

Thanks for linking to a Trump supporter Twitter account, R10

I really hope it was fighting among their own.

There is a curfew and we're in the middle of a health crisis.

Why do these people break the curfew and go out at night in order to play cowboy games with each other?

They are playing with danger. Why do they do it? And why should the taxpayer have to pay to clean up for their mischief-making?

Friendly fire or from the protestors?

All going according to plan.

More white-on-white violence! I feel unsafe...

Biden/Harris 2020

Americans are such disorderly children.

There is no curfew R14. There was in the early days of the protests, but it didn’t last long.

Americans are the stupidest people on the planet.

Welcome to the Boogaloo.

Why was the curfew abandoned?

Is there a Conspiracy Theory that someone wants these cowboys to create mayhem in order to discredit something?

Lower-IQ country.

WHY IN ALL CAPS? There are shootings everyday in the US.

#TrumpViolence trending on Twitter

I smell smoke

Trump's America

Great, full on race riots for the election. Why are we such shit? Why can't America have nice things?

[quote] Why do these people break the curfew and go out at night in order to play cowboy games with each other?

[quote] They are playing with danger. Why do they do it? And why should the taxpayer have to pay to clean up for their mischief-making?

Why is vigilantism tolerated by law enforcement? What are our tax dollars doing if the police allow the Klan to run wild?

[quote]Why is vigilantism tolerated by law enforcement? What are our tax dollars doing if the police allow the Klan to run wild?

R29 That's what happens when you defund the police.

That's not what defund the police means, R30. But you know that.

That's what happens when a racist is President.

R29 Do you consider the BLM Looters as 'vigilantes'?

How many of you are in this video?

Which hasn’t happened R30.

R32 Two wrongs do not make one right

Trump’s Violence. GOP’s America.

Blue city, blue state. Moderates won’t look at the nuance. This needs to stop. The mayor should be recalled or whatever they have there. Terrible.

R31 That's EXACTLY what it means. But you knew that.

Am I the only one who doesn't care if the entire country burns down? Fuck this place.

R24 is one of those low-IQ Americans.

R39, you're an idiot. But you knew that.

It's all Trump's fault! America was a peaceful, law-abiding country until he got elected!

Let's not forget what's important here: hate Trump. Do not let anything distract you from hating Trump.

R39, fuck off with your right wing lies.

Isn't there some kind of far right militia you should be joining right now?

We need more Trump loving delusional 17 year olds on the streets with AK-47s.

R42 Spewing childish invective when you have no response makes YOU the idiot.

Yeah, I don't remember this happening when Obama was president.

Paces at dawn?

Maybe the evil, evil feds will be paying some of you queens a visit soon.

R48 We do!

And the Trump troll shows his head.

The protests in Portland were ongoing because the progressive mayor was coddling the far left. The far right comes in with guns and escalates things. Biden and the governor need to condemn all extremism. The mayor needs to be removed.

Well the killer 𝒘𝒐𝒖𝒍𝒅 be wearing sandals, wouldn't he.

Seattle is next. They have the same combination of far left children in the city, far right in the exurbs and beyond, and a wimpy, coddling mayor.

R28 Was this full on race riot all a stunt for an election?

13 dead and more than 900 businesses damaged

R29, it happens because a portion of the population sees gangs who try to maintain the racial order as closer to the police than to the protesters. Objectively speaking, the gangs are no different than rioters. But there we are. Race riots are now Trump’s re-election strategy.

I eagerly await the day Trump drops dead. Sooner the better. C'mon Covid, do your thing. You got Herman Cain and Robert Trump and they were both younger.

More out of towner Truptards driving in to cause havoc.

Y'all hate Andy Ngô because he airs out your dirty laundry. He's posted video of the shooting recorded by a livestreamer from about a block away.

There was no scuffle or disturbance prior to the shooting, and the man was walking alone.

Mayors are far more terrified of political fallout than anarchy.

But I thought Trump was all about Law and Whoreder?

I was born and raised in this city—Ted is not cut out for his job. His "speeches" regarding the ongoing riots downtown are all over the place, and he can barely get out a sentence without stuttering. Meanwhile, the delusional city commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty has happily been fanning the flames, going so far as to make up stories that police have been staging fires and blaming it on the protesters. It's not even a matter of right versus left—it's a matter of people in leadership positions who have no leadership capabilities.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Anarchist enjoy anarchy.

Every anarchist I've known turned into a bourgeois citizen as soon as they got a mortgage.

The photos on the Daily Mail are crazy.

I'm sure Trump won't escalate the violence and use it politically...

I'd like to see The Donald waddle into the street and call for peace.

BLM protestors cheering his death. Not a good look. When it comes to these protests, both sides at this point are really just people out looking for conflict and a fight. It isn't about a cause anymore. One side kills one night, the other side kills the next.

The violence has to stop.

"Escalate"? As in promising the murderer will be brought to justice if he hasn't been by then?

The video in r60 shows this time there is no argument for self defense. Just cold blooded murder.

Two cults going at each other. Great.

Violence and shock is all conservatives have. They have no policy on the pandemic, they have to distract with something.

BLM is conservative?

Cults.

The sandalled shooter is seen apparently cocking his gun (reaching into his holster and moving something) while watching a Trump supporter truck driving by. He clearly wanted to shoot someone tonight.

Conservatives are cultists. They can't think for themselves. They follow with fear.

What a wonderful world brought to you by the GOP.

FOUR MORE YEARS OF RANDOM RIOTS AND KILLINGS! VOTE TRUMP/PRNCE 2020!

Blame this on Trump. Blame this on Republicans. Do not blame this on Antifa. Antifa doesn't exist.

Antifa doesn't exist.

R80 WHERE, EXACTLY are all these hoards of "Antifa" fighters? In your asshole?

r31 how can we know what it "means" when BLM has no leadership to clearly state their positions? They have a bunch of people on social media, and a few figureheads, but no consensus. They also make outrageous statements that seem to be designed to foment rage wars on twitter, not least because they make no effort to explain them. "Defund the Police" was actually fleshed out by older PoCs, moderate leftists and academics, not the social media screamers. And don't start me on the Clout Wars & Revenge aspects of middle class BLM PoCs.

Back in the day, the BPP would talk shit thru megaphones on the street, but they had newsletters and pamphlets and "spokesmen" who would explain the slogans. I'm not speaking on the content, but their ideas were made clear if you wanted to know.

Portland is rife with Antifa. Al Jazeera documentary.

Portland Antifa from Vice.

Antifa doesn't exist.

BBC: Antifa vs. Alt-Right

NBC News:Portland Antifa

CBC: Antifa in Canada. Includes hot Justin Trudeau footage.

Well, if Antifa doesn't exist then who's putting up all the decals and tagging all over SW Ontario cities? I've seen quite an increase in anarchist tagging, decals and an anarchist newsletter that uses the word. They are professionally printed, too.

Daily Show covers Antifa.

If only conservatives could kill large groups of people and do it quietly, so it can't be traced back to them. I know! They can politicize wearing a mask! So much easier than shooting Americans dead in the streets.

ABC (Australia) covers Antifa. Very recent.

SHOOTER IDENTIFIED:

Antifa member and climate activist Jake Jephson. He was arrested at another antifa protest with a cache of weapons and often posts about having a gun.

I can pay you to pay the TALIBAN to kill our troops.

r94 is UNCONFIRMED

Forget Antifa- hate Trump. Do not let anything distract you from hating Trump.

R96 WILL BE CONFIRMED SHORTLY.

Antifa “founding” though-leader Mark Bray, PhD, speaking at Dartmouth. Author of “Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook”.

R97 Are you being ironic?

Or are you referencing—

Sometimes I think this shit is staged.

Not saying I believe any death is staged, however, this is a war about money and power, and the people who have both are usually willing to do ANYTHING to keep them.

Did Melania join Anquifa?

It does feel surreal.

Trump supporters know how to kill.

Does the My Pillow guy have any words of wisdom? Who's running our government again? Anybody?

Maybe Kanye should be sent out to street rap with all the other Trumptsters. They're his homies, right?

I recall Trump saying if he was elected he'd have Chicago's violence problem solved within 30 days. Not only has that not happened (no duh!), now the rest of the country is turning into Chicago.

Could Trump's Covid Doctor, Stella Immanuel, cast a spell with chicken bones and lizard gizzards to stop the violence? She's black and BLM. See, Trump's not racist.

Gangs have more rules and more organization than all these wannabe's with guns roaming the streets. Just like they let gangs run prisons as it leads to better control, maybe we need some real gangs to come and clean up this nonsense.

Oh, beautiful for spacious skies,

For amber waves of grain,

For purple mountain majesties

Above the fruited plain!

America! America!

G-d shed his grace on thee,

And crown thy good

With BROTHERHOOD

From sea to shining sea.

[quote] Maybe the evil, evil feds will be paying some of you queens a visit soon

Maybe someone will shoot you with your own gun

Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, never gonna run around and hurt you.

The shooter is wearing platform sandals with knee high white socks and culottes. Odd doesn't begin to cover it.

r109 That's complete bullshit. Back in the day, yes, when you had leaders like Larry Hoover. Now, it's a bunch of teens in sets (small sub gangs) who randomly shoot each other more over internet beefs than drug territory. They're born into poverty & real systemic racism (like non-funded schools, food deserts, racist political machines, etc.) and become sociopaths by the time they're 12-13. Gangs take advantage, and some apparently form their own sets in middle school and then are brought into the street.

Chicago has really gone to shit since the Smollett case. That whole PD needs to be cleaned out and fumigated, but that was the worst case to politicize.

At this point of the battle, whichever side *loses* a member, that side’s chances of winning in November goes UP.

More deaths = More votes.

R55

Durkan isn't as pathetic as Wheeler. Whether she responds to the mob finding its way to Seattle with necessary force is an open question, but she won't do nothing the way Wheeler has.

[quote] Antifa member and climate activist Jake Jephson.

Looks like the murdered man isn't the only thing this guy shot up tonight

Trump tweets that his fat supporters attacking protesters in Portland with peppery spray and ball bearings are 'patriots.'

What was that about law and order?

[quote] Antifa member and climate activist Jake Jephson.

So that means the shooting was fake then, right, since Antifa doesn't exist?

Neither does climate change! Crazy claims on right and left., R119.

JUST MORE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS, DUMP

That is the guy that Twitter has identified as the killer. They have a different guy and neck tattoos match up apparenlty. Who knows if they are right.

Sorry, the guy pictured in this thread is NOT the guy Twitter has Id'd

It's not the guy pictured above at r90. It's a 48 year old called Michael R. Everything matches, including the neck tat.

From his previous interview with Bloomberg: "Michael, 48, a professional snowboarder and contractor, describes when he got in the middle of altercation between a young man and a group of minors of color. He eventually got shot in the arm"

More photos of Micheal R. before and after he shot the guy

Michael R.'s instagram has been found, and on this post he says:

"I AM 100% ANTIFA ALL THE WAY!"

So that settles that.

This is the moment Barr has been waiting for since he declared ANTIFA a terrorist organization a couple of months ago.

Boots on the ground in, what, 36 hours?

Our violent thugs are justified. Your violent thugs are not justified.

So he's "100% Antifa" with a BLM tat on his neck.

But according to people on here he was a secret white nationalist?

Look at this hot body on a Trump supporter

WOOF

On a PPB Facebook post, the comments are full of people posting that Michael’s name and address. I’m sure that will end well.

[quote] "I AM 100% ANTIFA ALL THE WAY!"

Don't you just 𝒉𝒂𝒕𝒆 it when somebody goes off script!

R125 On the one hand I feel bad for his daughter but she's probably better off without him.

Is there another source for Michael R. identification besides the self-described Banana Nazi who has never been to the US?

Now watch the conservative media and the GOP close ranks and start deifying the dead guy, and completely distracting from the killer in Kenosha.

They’re so good at that

Shouldn’t we wait for the trial so all of this can be aired there? Innocent before proven guilty!

Who knew this would be happening in Trump’s America?

R135 They've deified the killer in Kenosha too. He appears to have managed to not break any laws, btw. Don't hold your breath for a trial.

[Quote] "I AM 100% ANTIFA ALL THE WAY!"

Except the part that his Instagram doesn’t actually say that....

Antifa isn’t a real this game. There’s no organized movement called Antifa.

I wish there were. They could shoot all the Nazis

Hate Trump. Hate Trump. Hate Trump.

R140 LMFAO Antifa doesn't exist, but I wish they did! We've been making fun of you upthread 😂

r139. Yes it does say he is "Antifa %100 All the Way!". Here is the full text of his post from 10 weeks ago:

michael_reinoehl Every Revolution needs people that are willing and ready to fight. There are so many of us protesters that are just protesting without a clue of where that will lead. That's just the beginning that's where the fight starts. If that's as far as you can take it thank you for your participation but please stand aside and support the ones that are willing to fight. I am 100% ANTIFA all the way! I am willing to fight for my brothers and sisters! Even if some of them are too ignorant to realize what antifa truly stands for. We do not want violence but we will not run from it either! If the police continue to pick on and beat up innocent citizens that are peacefully voicing their objections, it must be met with equal force! We are currently living through a crucial point in Humanities evolution. We truly have an opportunity right now to fix everything. But it will be a fight like no other! It will be a war and like all wars there will be casualties. I was in the army and I hated it. I did not feel like fighting for them would ever be a good cause. Today's protesters and antifa are my brothers in arms. This is a Cause to fight for This truly is fighting for my country! I have children that need to live in a world run by Common Sense and human decency. And I will do anything to make sure that happens. Now is the time to change the course of humanity. If we fold now just because they show some Force we will be lost for another hundred years. And I don't think the planet will let us live that long if we don't straighten shit up. Please be safe strong and United. I love you all❤️💪🙏 #Antifa #blaklivesmatter #fuckthepolice"

If you've provided material support to a terrorist organization, what are the legal implications for you?

For instance, you donated money to a group that purchased materials to make incendiary weapons or gave rides to people you knew were intending to cause violence at their destination.

What happened to white nationalists who supported McVeigh?

R143 How come when concrete information comes to light (not twitter rumours and hearsay) Antifa always look like bloodthirsty psychos? There is a such a PATTERN established at this point.

[quote]a crucial point in Humanities evolution

Oh, DEAR!!

Protests I get,but this bullshit looting and rioting should be stopped by any means necessary. Declare a curfew,and shoot to kill anyone who breaks it. Period. Kill a couple of 100 of those assholes and I guarantee those streets would be deserted. Why should they stop the party when they know there is zero ramifications ?

Well, I guess it's over now. National guard will now show up and put these fools down.

Nonsense R148. The National Guard will not show up.

Girls, girls—your all assholes.

"Your all assholes."

Oh dear!

The argument that his death is no great loss and it was just 'taking trash off the street' due to his political position pretty much supports the notion that it is okay for cops to kill criminals (aka George Floyd) as they too are just taking deplorables off the street.

I don't trust the opinion of anyone who thinks murders of certain types of people are acceptable.

[quote] LMFAO Antifa doesn't exist, but I wish they did! We've been making fun of you upthread

One can only assume that this ignorance about Antifa is born out of the dismal educational system in the US that completely neglects 20th century European history save maybe touching upon WW2.

Someone here needs to read a bit more and learn about Antifa's history - both pre and post-WW2 as well as its more modern patterns and collective action. If that's too much to wrap your head around, cause I realize starting your little "revolution" is time consuming, then start with its "blossoming" in the 1990s following the fall of the Berlin Wall. Especially its German chapter and activities. For anyone with any knowledge of the history of 20th and 21st century political movements - particularly in Western AND Eastern Europe - the meme that "there is no Antifa" is laughable. And the denial is most assuredly deliberate.

[quote] How come when concrete information comes to light (not twitter rumours and hearsay) Antifa always look like bloodthirsty psychos?

LOL! Well, I don't know anything about this recent death in Portland yet but maybe because one of Antifa's tenets is: By any means necessary. Violence is very much a part of its philosophy. That violence is not to be limited to far-right opponents and activities, indeed historians posit that the far-right opposition is just a ruse to distract from the real target which is the political system of liberal democracy because Antifa believes its roots in capitalism is just "fascism" and must be destroyed. They know that the far-right extremists have no real power so they target democratic leaders and institutions such as courts, educational systems, etc. Exaggerating the sins of democratic government serves to undermine the institutions it relies on to prevent chaos and to unite and serve its citizens. I realize that most participants in these protests who become violent may not realize what is going on but the leaders/organizers know what the real target is. Hijacking worthy causes has always been a tactic of Antifa.

This is where the term "useful idiot" comes in.

Your all assholes' what? Are we missing a possessive "s" there?

The murder of Nazis is totally acceptable. This guy praised the Portland psycho that murdered two people on public transportation. Good riddance.

So disgusting

[quote] If you've provided material support to a terrorist organization, what are the legal implications for you? For instance, you donated money to a group that purchased materials to make incendiary weapons or gave rides to people you knew were intending to cause violence at their destination.

If we are discussing becoming part of a conspiracy and the government charging you with conspiracy then you as a knowing member of the conspiracy are responsible for all the actions of the other co-conspirators whether or not you know all the other conspirators and whether or not you know the actions/crimes committed by the other conspirators. Just being part of the chain makes you guilty of the ultimate crimes. That's why the government likes conspiracy charges - all they have to do is prove you knew there was an agreement between 2 or more people to commit an illegal act - that's a conspiracy. Usually an "overt act" is required as an element of the offense. An overt act could anything like to meet with others to plan, driving someone to the store to buy tools of the crime, paying for a bus ticket to further the conspiracy or a million other little seemingly innocent acts.

R157, LMAO! Is that supposed to be Trump or Barr or Dennis Quaid?

r155 You think that what is wrong is that it is missing an 's'?

No, Rose. The correct way of writing that statement is "You're all assholes."

Can someone with ANTIFA knowledge clearly explain the manifesto, without insults?

The media has utterly failed to explain the goal of these protests. This only fuels speculation and ends up hurting the ANTIFA cause.

The agenda is to provoke authorities into overreacting which further delegitimizes those authorities, then to act violently until there is greater overreaction. Rinse and repeat until the government and capitalism is overthrown, Rose.

PDF copy of the Antifa Handbook by Mark Bray:

There was no organized blm movement either. Antifa is basically occupy Wall Street with anarchists.

Here is an example of why people have no faith in the Portland police. They continually give cover to this asshole and his patriot prayer/proud boys.

Last week a member of the group who is on probation, banned from protests and has a warrant out for his arrest was front and center at the protests and the cops did nothing.

So far the people getting gunned down at these protests have been career agitators/criminals. No loss for society.

I got attacked for victim blaming in the other thread a few weeks ago and I'm sure I will again, but if you willingly go to an area that you know violence is occurring on a regular basis, you have to accept that you may become a victim of that violence. I'm not saying the person who was shot last night was in the vehicles in the tweet, just that based on what he was wearing, he was probably aligned with the behavior shown in this tweet. Same for the shooter. It appears he was itching for a confrontation, hence the weapon and video of him pulling/cocking it when standing next to trucks that were driving by. He deserves the full punishment of the law.

In this case it appears they were most likely both trash.

The poor MAGAs were terrified of people legally crossing in the crosswalk.

Video of Mayor Wheeler's speech earlier. Love the read by the guy who introduced him, "I know it's a little bit overdue, but today we'll hear from Mayor Ted Wheeler."

[quote] The agenda is to provoke authorities into overreacting which further delegitimizes those authorities, then to act violently until there is greater overreaction. Rinse and repeat until the government and capitalism is overthrown, Rose.

Angela Davis and Ava DuVernay Discuss America's 'Racial Reckoning' for Vanity Fair Digital Cover Story

“If it’s true that names are being changed, statues are being removed, it should also be true that the institutions are looking inward and figuring out how to radically transform themselves. That’s the real work,” she explains. “I like the term that John Berger used: Demonstrations are ‘rehearsals for revolution.’

Angela Davis?! She's still alive?

So, it's all out and out communism now. Angela Davis in Vanity Fair? She was a member of the Communist Party USA. She ran for VP on that party line with Gus Hall twice in the 1980s. Is the intellectual elite actually trying to force people to vote for Trump?

Lots of far left nutjobs on this thread. It’ll be interesting to come back here on Election Night when everyone realizes cheering on violence and murder was a losing strategy.

R172

Yes, Rose. Vanity Fair is scheming to impose communism on the world. I guess we have no choice but to vote for Trump to save us from the illuminati who run Vanity Fair.

"the intellectual elite"

lol. You're giving yourself away as a rightwing, heterosexual disinformation troll with this. If you're going to show your hand that much, you should've just gone ahead and dropped some mentions of "safe spaces", "SJWs", and used the word "triggered" derisively followed by a "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL".

You suck as a troll, straight-boy. Pass along your trolling duties to another incel that can do better. Pathetic. WE SEE YOU.

R174 the thing is that it’s credible. The elites have shown themselves to be so craven that we can easily imagine that they are trying to install communism. All the better to make sure nobody can ever rise up and threaten their wealth.

R175

Taking a break from starting threads promoting conservative "thinkers" like Ann Coulter, Paul Tenhaken, and Douglas Murray, huh?

We can see your posting history, you know.

We know what you are.

[quote]We can see your posting history, you know. We know what you are.

"We"? Are you also The Borg?

Bottom line, which candidate is this hurting most?

R177

Hi, rightwing heterosexual disinformation sockpuppet! It's cute that you're pretending to be a different person posting right now.

Get somebody else to take over for you. You are not good at this.

Biden, alas

65 days. I'm stressed.

Lol R179. I must say, it is kinda surreal to be called a heterosexual sock puppet over a stupid joke on a forum. It's a weird feeling to be told my entire life has been a lie! Election years do be like that.

Not that this is going to be surprising to anyone with a working brain cell but:

I will never get over the conservative trolls on Datalounge, complaining about all the liberalism here. WHERE the fuck do you think you are?

R184 which post specifically complained about liberalism?

The lefty protesters in Portland are NOT Antifa (Rose City Antifa, the local chapter, has actually been pretty quiet recently) and they're NOT BLM activists. They're garden-variety anarchists (I know this is a weird concept for other parts of the country) who opportunistically latch on to any movement that allows them to show contempt for authority. They're focused almost entirely on the police and police brutality, but they do tend to show up when right-wing militias come to town, just like Antifa used to. They only give lip service to racism issues, and BLM here in Portland doesn't support them (and in fact is largely fed up with them).

However, they don't ever carry guns, or use guns at all. Only the right-wing militias do that. That, coupled with the fact that the right-wing crowd are all prone to get in violent arguments with each other over the slightest thing, makes me think this guy was killed by a fellow right-winger.

Video of cops pushing a medic out of the way who was trying to tend to the shooting victim.

Commenters are saying that the guy in white is Chandler Pappas (from Astoria) who is on probation and was spotted at a protest in Gresham last week in plain view of the cops and they ignored him. Note how chummy they seem with him and they let him leave even though he was a witness.

The protests seem to be doing nothing but making things worse. Everything since George Floyd combined with pandemic, and nonstop media propaganda on all sides, just feels like some deadly theater. How can the elite class want 4 more years of Trump? It wild the stock market is booming, retail spending is up, home values are up..yet there is constant unrest and non stop doom and gloom regurgitated from one channel to the next.

Not much to contribute, but the obvious lack of leadership on multiple levels everywhere just makes it all worse. Jesus the thread about impending authoritarianism is so depressing

Breaking. Armed Trump agitators were there.

Link, r189? I want to tweet it out.

[quote]I will never get over the conservative trolls on Datalounge, complaining about all the liberalism here.

It's not the "liberalism". It's "liberal" hypocrisy and double standard. Oh, and the derision for those who have the temerity to think differently.

Michael Reinoehl is the suspect at this time, he doesn't seem like a normal protester, he seems like one of those guys who latches on to a movement because of weird personal issues going on with him.

But that happens on all sides of these situations, especially when the president gets involved and encourages it. They attract people with personality/mental issues. It's only a matter of who is going to shoot first, the far-right malcontent Trumpster teen or the far-left mentally unstable GenXer.

That's what Trump and the GOP were hoping for: the violence to escalate.

Annie Liebowitz has made Angela Davis glamorous if not beautiful.

White and white. So chic.

r188, retail spending is up? How can this be with so many out of work?

[quote] retail spending is up? How can this be with so many out of work?

Does that number include all of the groceries people are buying instead of grabbing lunch to eat at their desk and/or eating out?

And the home sales number makes sense as the suburb are booming with people wanting to get some space if they are going to be working from home and not commuting in the city.

R192. I wager most of the present diehard protesters in Portland are people with psychological issues. In fact most of the Antifi members are probably so. Looking for a group and cause. Not that different than QAnon. Really.

A lot of the nightly protestors are hard core drug addicts.

"Similar to the jobs report, retail sales stand in stark contrast to the idea that growth in July 'stalled' – when in fact it continued at a robust, if somewhat slower, pace," Citigroup economist Andrew Hollenhorst said in a note.

Considered a bellwether for an economy that gets two-thirds of its activity from consumers, retail sales saw an 8.4% surge in June that included huge gains in furniture and appliance sales. That June number was already strong at 7.5% but was revised higher.

However, those gains cooled as a resurgence in Covid-19 cases caused reopening activities to slow.

Electronics and appliance sales saw monthly sales jump 22.9% while clothing increased 5.7% and bars and restaurants, an industry especially battered by the coronavirus, were up 5%.

The past three months show that "consumer spending has rocketed to record highs," said Chris Rupkey, chief financial economist at MUFG Union Bank. "There can't still be a recession in the country if the consumer is spending their hearts out like this”

^^^

Perhaps everyone spending that extra unemployment? The protests seem to be a way for young people to congregate. What other venue do they have right now? Schools, bars, clubs, concerts - closed. All that energy has to go somewhere

R176 No, dear, I can do more than one thing at a time.

I can see your posting history too, culo.

Alright, now we’re close to sixty days to the election. It’s time for Democratic leadership to start condemning and doing their part to end the protests. At the beginning of all this, they had general public support for police reform. Now with the unending violence, people are frustrated.

I just don’t know how anyone can say the optics of showing your greatest sympathy for degenerates who fought back police and acting like the destruction of major cities is progress. Like, it baffles the mind.

Don’t stick us with four more years of Trump because you’re unhinged and deeply out of touch.

Alright, now we’re close to sixty days to the election. It’s time for Democratic leadership to start condemning and doing their part to end the protests. At the beginning of all this, they had general public support for police reform. Now with the unending violence, people are frustrated.

I just don’t know how anyone can say the optics of showing your greatest sympathy for degenerates who fought back police and acting like the destruction of major cities is progress. Like, it baffles the mind.

Don’t stick us with four more years of Trump because you’re unhinged and deeply out of touch.

I think normal people are a little more than frustrated, R201. Angry is more like it. Very angry.

Right before major catastrophes like a war,people run out and spend like crazy . I think out of fear that a) money will become worthless b) goods will become scarce. Also,people are spending money buy tvs ,washers,etc that they used to spend in bars and restaurants and vacations.

[quote] It’s time for Democratic leadership to start condemning and doing their part to end the protests

It was time before the polls made it unavoidable. Now it looks like no more then a cynical hypocritical ploy.

Nobody I know is buying new clothes right now.

R188 You complain about 'lack of leadership' but what is leader supposed to do in this time of disease?

I think someone was killed again in Portland. Live video.

Oh LA. Someone was killed.

You can't have a revolution without spilling some blood

The LA thing.

With so many slow deaths from plague Donald needs more instant distractions so some shootings will do.

Trump has killed over 200,000 with Covid 19.

This one being talked about at R207's link was today:

[quote]SOUTH LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A man was shot and killed in an encounter with Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies in South Los Angeles Monday afternoon.

[quote]The incident happened just after 3 p.m. in the area of Budlong Avenue and 109th Place.

BLM needs more Interpretive Dance.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, so let’s get that out of the way.

I don’t believe this shit ever happened. Why? Because Donald Trump is the POTUS, and Bill Barr is his stooge.

Can the president order the FBI or CIA to conduct dirty business, such as faking the murder of one of his supporters? Even if he cannot, what would stop DJT from doing so, since he has done pretty much every other unconstitutional and illegal shit since day one?

I despise sounding like some loon on REDDIT, claiming that Sandy Hook didn’t happen. But I’m looking at the character of this man, DJT, and those in his administration, and I have zero evidence that shows this is not something he’d order and have much pushback.

This man and his administration are absolutely power hungry driven people, who also happen to be craven and immoral. I put NOTHING past them and I believe that there’s a 50% or more chance of this being orchestrated by him and his advisors.

JMHO. I know it sounds completely nuts, but look at who we’re talking about here. This is a President and his administration who promote “alternative facts” rather than “just the facts”, so a false flag is a HUGE possibility.

Seek help, r215.