Tenants showing COVID symptoms but will not get tested
Ok, so I own a townhouse, and I rent out three of its rooms to tenants. Two of them are a couple living in the basement, while I occupy the master bedroom on the second floor.
A couple of days ago, both of them told me they had a cold and a cough. One of them also has a sore throat. I am a firm believer in the real threat of COVID, but these idiots have always thought it was a conspiracy or a hoax because, well, they're simpletons (Barbara Thorndyke would call them "limited"). Maybe they have allergies. Maybe it's a cold. Maybe it"s the start of something else. Who knows?
I am now wearing a mask around the house. I asked them to stay in the basement unless they need to access the kitchen, and to wipe down every surface they touch in communal areas. Thankfully, I work for a hotel and can stay there if necessary, but I kind of don't want these two in my house by themselves for so long.
I've also told them I am getting a COVID test, and that now they must, too, AND show me their results or I am raising their rent. I'm not about to endanger my elderly parents, whom I see often, because these two knuckle-draggers refuse to believe in the merits of science.
Is this the proper way to handle such a situation? Any other advice? Thanks in advance.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | August 27, 2020 11:57 PM
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"AND show me their results or I am raising their rent. "
Sounds illegal to me.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | August 27, 2020 3:53 PM
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Your house - your rules. Do they have subleases? When do they expire? Is there a clause in there about safety or other? Tell them that you'll keep their security deposit.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | August 27, 2020 3:54 PM
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R2 I have them on a month-to-month lease, but there isn't a clause about safety -- they moved in last summer, before COVID. I will back off on raising rent because I don't want to do anything illegal, but I feel like I'm stuck here and am being willfully endangered.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | August 27, 2020 3:58 PM
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Look up the laws about disease transmission or even the latest COVID. There should be something in there about communicable diseases.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | August 27, 2020 4:22 PM
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Can you call up the town health department and ask advice?
by Anonymous | reply 5 | August 27, 2020 4:25 PM
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Seems like the OP's tenants aren't the only "limited" people on this thread.
Got a mirror OP?
by Anonymous | reply 6 | August 27, 2020 4:26 PM
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OP, it's month-to-month, what's the problem? August is just about over, so tell them they're chucked out by eob 8/31/20.
And try to be home as much as you can once you tell them, so they have less opportunity to fuck your house up.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | August 27, 2020 4:32 PM
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R7, I would think OP has a 30 day notice clause, in where he or the tenants can give 30 days notice to the other party if he wishes to have them vacate. Is that the case OP?
As a landlord you cannot demand they be tested, and you certainly can't demand they show you their results. Using a rental increase as a means to get this information is blackmail, which is also illegal.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | August 27, 2020 4:45 PM
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Can't you chain them to the bed?
by Anonymous | reply 9 | August 27, 2020 9:43 PM
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If they have otherwise been good tenants you should leave them alone. What if they are positive? They are in their rented home. If they have it they will probably be over it before you get them evicted and you have already been exposed.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | August 27, 2020 10:03 PM
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OP, I had an issue a while back with a tenant destroying the house. In most of these cases, the only thing you can legally do is evict them. To evict them, you have to file eviction papers with the city or county, I forget which. There’s a form you fill out, IIRC.
You don’t have a right to a tenant’s medical records, that’s an invasion of privacy. At this point, I would contact the Health Department and tell them what’s going on and see what they say.
What I was told about the eviction was that if the housing came furnished, the time to evict was much shorter. If they contested it or refused to cooperate, eventually you could get them out but you have to file and go to court. Where I live, it’s a couple of months to do that, although I was told (pre-Covid) that people usually just leave after getting a notice to evict.
What I ended up doing was offering them $1000 cash to leave immediately. They left. I had a person come and sit in the house with me while they packed. The person stayed until I followed his car out of the complex. He returned the key (check the key; he gave me a different key back and I had to change the locks). Change the locks.
Next time you write a lease, make sure it has some type of umbrella conditions where you have grounds to evict. Damaging the property, making noise, whatever. If you want them to wear masks in common areas or get a Covid test, you better put it in writing. If they don’t sign it and agree to it, I doubt you have grounds to make them. My guess is you’d have a very hard time finding tenants that want to wear a mask in their own home.
The other advantage to paying them off, if they agree, is they know where you live and you don’t want them pissed off at you if you can help it.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | August 27, 2020 10:13 PM
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[quote]What I ended up doing was offering them $1000 cash to leave immediately.
I had a similar problem. Once they accept the offer any contract you had with them is broken. The roommate I had needed the money to pay for the first month's rent at the next place. Getting rid of him was worth the aggravation.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | August 27, 2020 10:19 PM
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OP, it sounds like you have a litany of problems here, and most of them belong to YOU. You cannot force a tenant to do most of the things you're suggesting, or you could be the former-owner of a townhouse if they decide to go after you. And you better check if your state or municipality have non-evict statutes in effect before you try to terminate. If I were you, and thankfully I'm not, I'd wear my mask, sanitize things that they have access to, and MYOB. You should take a crash-course in Landlording also, because I suspect you have not followed-through on many of the issues that could get you in trouble.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | August 27, 2020 10:25 PM
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R12, the tenant I had seemed really nice, then within days he was trashing the place. I couldn’t believe it. He was acting like he had no idea there was a problem or anything was wrong. If he didn’t, he must have been on the spectrum or something because his behavior was not normal. It was definitely worth paying him off. Presumably he got housing elsewhere.
That gave me a scare. I couldn’t figure out if he’d lived in a barn his whole life and had no idea how to act indoors, or he knew exactly what he was doing and was gaslighting me while acting friendly and nice to my face. That was weird.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | August 27, 2020 11:57 PM
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