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I legit don't want to see what'll happen if Biden loses in Nov or he wins but Trump refuses to leave

Seriously.

Shit is BAD right now and even with 4 years, Joe and Kamala won't be able to correct course. I feel like the US has been damaged, possibly permanently, and the thought of seeing it get WORSE? Racists being more empowered, corrupt officials knowing they're even more untouchable, more rolling back of human rights and climate protections....it's scary as hell.

It's like either the DEMs win, and the shitshow gradually slows down, if the Repubs don't block everything, or....well, I can't even fathom what. Civil War? Another 100K + people dead from Covid?

by Anonymousreply 105August 27, 2020 10:04 PM

Then just kill yourself now and no one will stop you, snowflake.

by Anonymousreply 1August 25, 2020 9:10 AM

I share your fears, OP.

We live in troubled times.

by Anonymousreply 2August 25, 2020 9:16 AM

There's no fightback on the blatantly intended and announced cheating.

by Anonymousreply 3August 25, 2020 9:17 AM

Take a deep breath OP and calm down. Put on your mask, face shield and rubber gloves and go vote as soon as you can in your state. It will be fine.

by Anonymousreply 4August 25, 2020 9:39 AM

Are there safeguards in place now to prevent vote tampering that weren't in place in 2016?

If not, couldn't Trump just walk away with the election again while Democrats scramble to prove it?

I have zero confidence that Democrats have an effective action plan this time if he cheats again. I feel like there will be more inquiries and investigations that drag on forever, allowing him another four years. Or worse, an uninterrupted reign like Putin's.

This is serious shit. The response to him tampering with the election has to be swift and effective this time....they KNOW it's coming. He's TOLD everyone he will do it, and he's already started.

It's like this country is some wife who's outraged her husband beats her and that the beatings are getting worse, but has given no thought to calling the police or locking him out of the house or fighting back at all.

by Anonymousreply 5August 25, 2020 4:42 PM

R05 The wife, considering Democratic leaders, is also being paid off regularly. Missed that part.

by Anonymousreply 6August 25, 2020 4:57 PM

“Are there safeguards in place now to prevent vote tampering that weren't in place in 2016?”

The state of Georgia has, miraculously, instituted a new voting system this year that utilizes paper ballots. The previous system was all electronic, with no paper trail. So now we have new machines (selected by a citizens commission) and there is an actual physical vote that you cast and that is retained in case there needs to be an audit.

Big, big improvement. I don’t know about any other states though that overhauled their voting system the way Georgia did.

by Anonymousreply 7August 25, 2020 5:00 PM

Thanks, R7 - there HAS to be a paper back-up!!!

by Anonymousreply 8August 25, 2020 5:02 PM

And the Republicans not presenting a new platform at the Convention, essentially saying "we will do whatever Trump tells us to do" is horrifying. Yet no one seems to be bothered by this.

by Anonymousreply 9August 25, 2020 5:04 PM

we're fucked, regardless.

by Anonymousreply 10August 25, 2020 5:14 PM

R1 = Please, Donny Jr., stop coming to this site. We don't want to hear from you anymore.

by Anonymousreply 11August 25, 2020 5:15 PM

I can totally imagine what will happen under a second term of Trump. It'll basically be a rerun of the second terms of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, in which a rotting sack of shit presides over a crawling mountain of corruption. This too shall pass.

I naturally hope he doesn't get a second term, but second best to him losing would be his winning and the Democratis winning both the House and Senate.

by Anonymousreply 12August 25, 2020 5:16 PM

Not true - Obama had a dem controlled house and senate for his first two years. He got the ground work for the economic recovery passed in those two years that gifted Trump a healthy economy and record unemployment. This is cyclical. The Dems fix what the Republicans do, then people forget that and elect another Republican who tears down all the good work until it is trash.

by Anonymousreply 13August 25, 2020 5:18 PM

I believe there will be a Civil War between white supremacists and liberals if Trump wins again. The country is already in the outhouse, it has nowhere else to go. Blacks will continue to be abused, gays will be beaten in the streets, women will be the butt (pardon the pun) of leering guys who think they are the best. Karens and Donalds will walk around with their guns and spit in peoples faces. We are in hell.

by Anonymousreply 14August 25, 2020 5:18 PM

R14 is basically Chicken Little, foreseeing the worst. He's the boy who cried Wolf!

But every now and then Chicken Little is right, and the boy who cried Wolf! was right as well.

And R14 may be right, too.

by Anonymousreply 15August 25, 2020 5:50 PM

R1 Hi, Donald!

by Anonymousreply 16August 25, 2020 5:59 PM

I totally want to see Trump refuse to leave when Biden wins because nothing will be more satisfying than seeing him dragged out of the White House in chains. His base can't protect him. They might have more guns but half of them are stuck to their sofas.

by Anonymousreply 17August 25, 2020 6:22 PM

I don't think they'll drag him out of the office. I think his supporters will show up around the White House with guns and then the military will have to keep them at Bay, but won't actually use the kind of force on them that have been used on black lives matter protesters, because of course they're white and telling a white Republican holding a gun that they're breaking the law is considered an act of terrorism or something.

I honestly feel like the government won't have a clue how to respond. There will be a lot of reporting and a lot of hand-wringing and probably some yelling in the Senate and disagreement on how conclusive the proof is...... Trump and his pals lie and deny constantly. If there's no way to nail them in a civilized conversation, then what?

I really don't think the military or the secret service is going to throw Trump out. I would be shocked if they did. And if they did, it would be seen as a huge escalation against the white supremacist nut jobs who would then come out in force and do random acts of violence to express their displeasure. And Trump will become a martyr who was removed from office against the will of God or whatever.

And then the fighting just continues to escalate.

by Anonymousreply 18August 25, 2020 6:26 PM

They will have worked out a procedure, if there already isn't one. The residence will be cut off from the offices; no order from Trump will be followed. His personal staff won't be admitted. They cut off tv and phone contact and stop supplies ()including pharmaceuticals) going in, etc. He wouldn't last a day. It won't come to anything like this, of course, as Trump is a massive physical coward and in terrible physical condition, while hating the idea of losing face in any way..

by Anonymousreply 19August 25, 2020 7:04 PM

His current term is coming to its end. If he loses the election he can squat all he wants in the WH but just won't be prez any more. Cut off tv, phone and internet and he won't want to stay in WH anyway. Nancy will spearhead the dis-honor guard to mark his departure in disgrace.

by Anonymousreply 20August 25, 2020 7:34 PM

All depends how many people are willing to vote this idiot out and keep on voting Dem in future elections. Things are dire and it takes at least two full 8 years of democratic presidents to undo the damage. But unfortunately Dems are not as united as they should be.

Republicans are desperate because they know in legit elections they lose, they just don't have the majority anymore. So they rig, cheat, lie, corrupt, manipulate anyway they can, because their very existence is at stake.

by Anonymousreply 21August 25, 2020 7:43 PM

Trump is going to win because there is evil in both parties.

by Anonymousreply 22August 25, 2020 7:50 PM

R22= idiot

by Anonymousreply 23August 25, 2020 7:58 PM

R23 No, not an idiot. Realist.

by Anonymousreply 24August 25, 2020 8:19 PM

Frankly, as a foreigner who lives in a shithole that Trump seems to aspire to turn the US into, I'm afraid you all are in deep, deep shit. As much as I would want Trump to lose, the specter of him leaving the White House only after a rancorous, and possibly rife with bloodshed, conflict occurs seems to become more credible by the day (that is, as his mental state continues its downward spiral). I know such maladroit leaders all too well: they'll stand their ground until the end -- until everything around them is in tatters.

A silver lining though would be this concern that a lot of my American friends seem to have sustained. Keep that fire burning.

by Anonymousreply 25August 25, 2020 8:32 PM

Pardon me. They're not leaders. They're children on the throne acting like despots.

by Anonymousreply 26August 25, 2020 8:37 PM

Normally I am not into occult/ mystic B.S. but does anyone remember the predictions of that blind Russian psychic that became famous around the election? I didn't pay any attention at the time, but apparently she predicted that Trump would be THE LAST President of the U.S. ever elected. Now I kinda want to know what else she predicted.

I know, MARY!

by Anonymousreply 27August 25, 2020 8:40 PM

[quote]Trump is going to win because there is evil in both parties.

Hmm. What does this even mean?

by Anonymousreply 28August 25, 2020 9:02 PM

I hate the United States right now.

by Anonymousreply 29August 25, 2020 9:03 PM

He is a pussy. He would never refuse to leave. What he will do is declare victory on Election Day and then take the election to the courts. He will lose, of course, but the damage will have been done. Half the country will believe that the election was stolen from him and that the result was rigged. We are in for a rough road.

by Anonymousreply 30August 25, 2020 9:05 PM

It Can't Happen Here

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by Anonymousreply 31August 25, 2020 9:07 PM

Dictionary-definition literally millions would come to DC to protest if he tried to steal the election after the vote.

by Anonymousreply 32August 25, 2020 9:11 PM

I'm tired of the Twitter pundits tut-tutting that there's nothing to worry about because on Jan 21 if there was no declared winner Nancy Pelsoi would become President, etc etc. AS IF these motherfuckers are going to start following the Constitution now! They get away with everything.

by Anonymousreply 33August 25, 2020 9:15 PM

If he "wins" -- and the only way he "wins" is cheating, full stop, just like he did in 2016 -- I am fully prepared to burn the fucking country to the ground.

by Anonymousreply 34August 25, 2020 9:18 PM

That's what I am expecting will happen too R30. And that fat pig Barr will back him up.

The US is a deeply divided country and this will be a big problem in the decades to come. Poor education standards and Faux News have done lasting damage.

Republicans aren't afraid to play dirty and then some, they want a major power grab which includes dismantling democracy and the rule of law.

by Anonymousreply 35August 25, 2020 9:21 PM

The liberal majority shows up in force and have the fortitude to protest and riot in the face of injustice. These right wing snowflakes just get arthritis and carpal tunnel sitting at home tapping their keyboards. They will not surround the White House to protect their leader. They are cowards.

by Anonymousreply 36August 25, 2020 9:42 PM

President Joseph Biden does not need to occupy the White House in order to govern. The presidency is contingent not upon a location, but upon the person.

So if Orange It refuses to leave the Oval, so be it. Biden will be inaugurated January 20, 2021 with all the powers of the office ... even if he's seated in a booth at Taco Bell afterwards.

Biden/Harris 2020 - We Have Their Backs

by Anonymousreply 37August 25, 2020 9:53 PM

R1 is disgusting deplorable trash!

by Anonymousreply 38August 25, 2020 9:54 PM

If Biden wins it doesn’t matter if Trump “leaves” or not. Biden will be President in January. Even if Trump contests, Biden will be President in January until Trump proves Biden didn’t win. Trump doesn’t have to concede or leave the White House, Biden will be president i. January.

And if Trump wins. I don’t care because I’ll be hanging from my balcony.

by Anonymousreply 39August 25, 2020 10:04 PM

So who ultimately decides that Trump lost the election? The supreme court?

We all know how that turned out in 2000.

by Anonymousreply 40August 25, 2020 10:07 PM

If the EC votes are certified by the Senate, then that’s the end of it. If not, who the hell knows? That’s never happened before, as far as I know.

by Anonymousreply 41August 25, 2020 10:10 PM

[quote]If the EC votes are certified by the Senate,

Oh well ...

by Anonymousreply 42August 25, 2020 10:22 PM

I've been saying for quite some time that I would like to know if there's a Plan B in place if Trump wins again in November.

Because this isn't just about the US, another 4 years of Trump will have world wide consequences. Just look how much damage he has already done internationally.

There has been an alarming increase of dictatorships around the world in the last decade. And Russia and China are cooperating and are sawing on the legs of western alliances.

A reelection will signal to Trump and the corrupt GOP that they can do ANYTHING and get away with it. I hope people realize how serious this situation is!

UNITE - VOTE - WIN

by Anonymousreply 43August 25, 2020 10:33 PM

Bernie Sanders will always be one of the people I blame for this mess the world is in. His pouting in 2016 and not immediately getting behind Clinton and his base throwing a huge tantrum about him not getting the nomination etc. Has put not only the US, but the whole fucking world in dangerous territory. There's dictators everywhere and the Republicans believe rules don't apply to them and Trump is trying to destroy everything.

A lot of this is definitely on Bernie, it's not about him, it's about the fucking country. That, and the fact that not enough people in this country put enough value on voting, and voting for the right competent leaders.

by Anonymousreply 44August 25, 2020 10:58 PM

Nancy will march into the White House and grab him by his ear and drag him out

by Anonymousreply 45August 25, 2020 11:04 PM

The US is an unfixable mess. I’m hoping for a giant meteor.

by Anonymousreply 46August 25, 2020 11:05 PM

R46 According to scientists, one is headed straight to the US the day before election day.

So you just might get your wish.

by Anonymousreply 47August 25, 2020 11:10 PM

This election ranks right up there with the 1860 election, the results of which ignited the Civil War, and the 1932 election at the critical juncture during the beginning of the Great Depression.

tRump, aided by Russia and others, is trying to steal the election. Again. He already got impeached for trying to get Ukraine to gin up false accusations against Biden. But, undeterred, he tried to get China to investigate Biden as well as manipulate trade policies to help him win. What he has done with the Post Office is despicable and likely criminal.

We are fortunate that three critical states — Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin — are now governed by Democrats, so election security should be tightened up. But even if Biden wins decisively, Cheatolini has already signaled that he intends to challenge the results because “the only way that he loses is if Democrats cheat.” 🙄

There are too many “ifs” to know exactly how this will play out, but he’s not going to leave willingly or easily. It will require a fight, or many of them. One of the critical dates is December 14, when the members of the Electoral College meet in their respective state capitals to cast their ballots. Aside from Election Day itself, that is the first real inflection point post-election where they could try and screw with the results. If everyone else has accepted Biden as the winner, we will move forward with the Dotard being nothing more than a petulant child. But if state legislators and Moscow Mitch want to cause trouble they could throw enough wrenches into the gears to make the whole thing be a total mess.

Ballots need to be counted in Congress the first week of January. That’s in our favor because if the new House and Senate are more Democratic, that might give us the firewall that we need should the election have to be determined by Congress.

We should be ready for them to employ every dirty trick possible to hang onto power. It won’t be easy to dislodge this cancer on the body politic, but it is possible.

by Anonymousreply 48August 25, 2020 11:19 PM

If the senate swings blue in November, it won't officially until after inauguration?

Remember when several electors swung towards Trump even though Hillary won in their districts.

by Anonymousreply 49August 25, 2020 11:46 PM

What's different to 2016 is that Biden is the democratic candidate and not Hillary who was PASSIONATELY hated by the GOP, by Putin and by the fauxgressive left.

by Anonymousreply 50August 25, 2020 11:50 PM

It’s unquestioningly going to happen. It’s a reality. Instead if crying “I’m scared! I can’t! I just can’t! I’ll have a breakdown!” you need to steel yourself & get ready. Elders & alone people - stock up on things, just like with covid. Toilet paper, disinfectant, canned foods, dried box food, rice, onions, gallons of water, pet food. If you live in an apartment you can buy cheap shelving at IKEA, amazon, etc. Small rolling carts - They have thin ones made to fit in bathroom spaces but they can fit behind couches and chairs. I suggest this because I think there might be panic buying - so you should panic buy first. Enough for a few weeks. Batteries, flashlight, a portable radio, water,ess shampoo.

You’ll be ready to hole up for a bit. Unless you’re one of those rightwing asshole militia people who stormed the Idaho state legislator with guns, I dont think you’ll be mobilizing. If anything breaks out, there’s little you can do. I mean, if you want to throw a spaghetti pot on your head, strap a chair cushion to your body & sally forth out onto the streets, canes raised like staffs, go ahead. But you could wind up in jail with no one to call to help you out if you’re alone, or you could get seriously injured like Buffalo Guy.

by Anonymousreply 51August 25, 2020 11:56 PM

You can't overthrow Trump, a civil war of some sorts won't work.

Something else has to happen to get him out of office.

by Anonymousreply 52August 25, 2020 11:59 PM

Mary! Shut the fuck OP.

If Trump wins, it will hit you like a bucket of cold water. You'll cry and you'll feel like the world around you is falling to pieces. It will feel like being numbed. Then you'll wake up the next morning and go back to your daily routine because life doesn't stop for anyone.

by Anonymousreply 53August 26, 2020 12:06 AM

Yeah r50. That gives me a little hope. I even heard some presumed Democrats say that she “scared them” that she’d be a war hawk or they just hated her as a person. I don’t know how they ultimately voted. Maybe some thought she had it in the bag and voted for the orange anus for the hell of it. I can’t imagine he’s gained any 2016 Hillary voters and hopefully enough 2016 Trump voters realize what a grave mistake they made. I don’t think his fan base has grown over the four years. I hope I’m right.

by Anonymousreply 54August 26, 2020 12:06 AM

They did a real number on Hillary, I know. I always thought that was payback for the failed impeachment of Bill.

Remember democrats won twice - with Nixon and they won again with Clinton.

Putin's hate for the Clintons goes back decades, esp since Bill was very much in favor of a united Europe. Putin's main goal is to weaken NATO and the EU and Trump is helping him with this.

by Anonymousreply 55August 26, 2020 12:28 AM

Nancy and all of us wonder what Putin's got on Trump.

by Anonymousreply 56August 26, 2020 1:15 AM

Florida is a state that has early in-person voting, so my plan is to vote as early as possible. I am currently working at trying to be out of the country by November 1st in case the shit hits the fan here. It's just that so few countries will allow Americans entry at this time... It looks like I may end up going to Mexico or Ireland and take a CELTA course so I can earn a little extra money teaching English on top of my SS and (small) pension. Then if I feel a need to stay in whichever country I go to, I'll be able to -- I hope.

If Biden is elected and it looks like there won't be violence in the streets of Deploraville, FL, I'll come back right after I complete the course. But I don't have a lot of faith in that outcome. And one thing I know for sure: I don't want to be here while things shake themselves out.

by Anonymousreply 57August 26, 2020 1:45 AM

The Democrats and Repuglicans both have an army of lawyers waiting to pounce on the election results. Dem states pushing mail-in ballots will lead to a massive popular vote count that will de-legitimize the results if Trump squeaks by with a EC victory. If he does win, he gets impeached again for a second, or even third, time.

Gossip: there is an old tape of Trump using racial slurs that may surface in October.

R1 go squat in a cactus patch - no one will stop you.

by Anonymousreply 58August 26, 2020 2:15 AM

[quote] The liberal majority shows up in force and have the fortitude to protest and riot in the face of injustice. These right wing snowflakes just get arthritis and carpal tunnel sitting at home tapping their keyboards

They’re armed. They are supported by police. Police across the country have been infiltrated by white supremacists since at least 2006 when the FBI reported it was happening. They stormed the Idaho state legislature today with guns. Police did nothing and the head of the legislator invited them to sit down. They’ve been showing up at protests of BLM breaking windows setting fires, impersonating protestors so police will attack the real protestors. These aren’t your 2004 era Free Republic keyboard warriors.

by Anonymousreply 59August 26, 2020 3:50 AM

Years ago I was looking up Tarim Basin mummies and one of the first things that showed up on google was an article that was pretty interesting. I clicked on it & read it and looked at the comments underneath. The commentators talked about different historical ethnicities, religions, migrations across Asia, Europe & the Middle East. They weren’t arguments or angry like you usually see on message boards. It was very informative the way people presented various historical events, wars, natural catastrophes, etc.

And then, about 10 posts in, someone was talking about Turks and how a group of them converted to Judaism. They continued on very logically and something was bothering me. Something about that group of Turks. I remember my history prof talking about it years ago and I remembered it was a negative type of remark he’d made. So I opened another window & searched. Turns out it’s a talking point for antisemites.

Remember this was years ago. I was on a computer & google wasn’t yet an international intelligence & data mining operation. It was geared towards users, not investors. When the article had popped up & I clicked it, I was taken straight to the article, which turned out to be in the middle of the page, because it turned out to be a forum and a member had posted the article. So I scrolled to the top of the page & it was called Stormfront. I’d never heard of it before. So I googled it and was surprised to see it was a white Neo Nazi supremacist site. It seemed like it was based in the US. But there were tons of people posting from all over the world. In addition to Americans & Germans, there were Russians, Ukrainians, Norwegians, Finns, Swedes, some Central European & some people from Argentina & Brazil. As I read more posts I saw there posts that were more angry & focused on the supremacy of European ideals.

But the best written posts came from Russians & Ukrainians. They were not written crazidly or angrily. They sounded like they were written by professors of ancient history. They probably were. Most of what they said, I learned by reading up on it (they focused on Central Asian groups, Caucasus groups like ossetians, Georgians, Armenians, Alans. Most of it was true when I later looked it up. But they differentiated groups form each other it with very subtle ways, making lighter skinned & European people the better, smarter, more deservedly victorious groups & the darker Asian Middle Eastern & North Africa groups deservedly defeated.

This was many years ago, like I said. These weren’t people screaming n words or being blatantly antisemitic. This was very will written historical propaganda to draw in educated people. They weren’t trying to preach to he choir. They were looking for new converts among high school & college kids who wrote for their school newspapers. Their audience was budding young republicans who might join their college GOP group & eventually take it over.

I heard them do that in the USSR. News from Moscow aimed at various language speaking tourists in hotels. If you didn’t speak Russian, these were the only thing on your radio. (TV was all in Russian so it was useless to us). Vladimir Pozner was the host of the English language broadcast aimed at Americans. He had a heavy, authentic brooklyn accent. There was no way any actor could’ve perfectly produced an accent if this kind. 90% of it was real news, but it was news that showed the US in a bad light.

by Anonymousreply 60August 26, 2020 4:53 AM

“Elders & alone people - stock up on things, just like with covid. Toilet paper, disinfectant, canned foods, dried box food, rice, onions, gallons of water, pet food. If you live in an apartment you can buy cheap shelving at IKEA, amazon, etc. Small rolling carts - They have thin ones made to fit in bathroom spaces but they can fit behind couches and chairs. I suggest this because I think there might be panic buying - so you should panic buy first. Enough for a few weeks. Batteries, flashlight, a portable radio, water, soap, shampoo.”

Yes, I’m going to be stocking up over the next few weeks on this sort of stuff. It doesn’t go bad and we have the storage room, and I figure it’s better to be safe than sorry.

by Anonymousreply 61August 26, 2020 7:45 AM

Trump loses, he is over Jan. 20. Still unsettled? Nancy Pelosi is sworn-in until it is settled. It is not Trump's decision.

by Anonymousreply 62August 26, 2020 8:42 AM

Trump is like Teflon. Nothing ever sticks. He gets away with whatever he wants. I hate the Democrats because they are a bunch of woke pussies who never stop this orange shit stain.

by Anonymousreply 63August 26, 2020 8:43 AM

R27: It was a blind Bulgarian psychic and she predicted Obama would be the last US president.

by Anonymousreply 64August 26, 2020 9:39 AM

What exactly would you like for them to do, R63?

by Anonymousreply 65August 26, 2020 9:57 AM

I’m choosing not to think about it right now, OP. It would indeed be catastrophic and the end of the United States as we know it.

by Anonymousreply 66August 26, 2020 10:00 AM

Trump will leave if he loses. He always does this. He’ll pretend he never said anything to make anyone think he wouldn’t leave. He’ll probably be happy leaving.

by Anonymousreply 67August 26, 2020 10:04 AM

[quote] Trump is like Teflon. Nothing ever sticks. He gets away with whatever he wants. I hate the Democrats because they are a bunch of woke pussies who never stop this orange shit stain.

What the fuck do you want them to do??! They have the House, they impeached him. It’s out of their hands.

by Anonymousreply 68August 26, 2020 10:05 AM

If Trump refused to leave he would be arrested or taken out by the military, surely? I don't know why this is a concern. If he is no longer President he is no longer in charge and since the rats are already leaving the sinking ship, once he's fully sunk he'll have no one to help him.

Why would anyone be concerned about an overweight, elderly man refusing to leave somewhere?

by Anonymousreply 69August 26, 2020 10:07 AM

I know that if Trump loses he will go on a rant making up lies. Can people/organisations then sue him? Like if he says they stole the election from me- can he be sued for lying? I would love to see that.

by Anonymousreply 70August 26, 2020 10:13 AM

I think that when he's out R70 he will be facing so many law suits and indictments that he will be financially ruined and end his days in jail. That is my biggest hope at least - and that his entire family are taken down with him. What an absolute cancer on the world this evil family are - they are worse than the Kardashians!

by Anonymousreply 71August 26, 2020 10:18 AM

He won because MILLIONS of people did not vote. Maybe people thought Hillary had it in the bag, so I don't need to vote. The swing States that carried the electoral votes, won by just 1000s of votes. Not 100s of thousands, merely 1000s. Just enough for Russia to slightly hack results? Depressed Bernie voters alone, who voted for the Green candidates, would of brought those swing States to Hillary. Those lazy asses who didn't vote, would of tipped the scales towards Hillary. White racist Republicans always exercise their votes. You betcha!

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by Anonymousreply 72August 26, 2020 10:32 AM

Hillary had close to the same PV count as Obama did in 2012 and he never faced to obstacles she had.

Alone the Berners who voted for Trump swung PA, WI and WI in 2016. Not to mention all the morons who voted for Stein.

by Anonymousreply 73August 26, 2020 11:04 AM

Reportedly Trump tried to damage something minor in the White House in his early days, just to show he could, but the staff intervened and stopped him. It infuriated him, because it showed he couldn't do what he liked, that they expected him to do something like this and that they had a response ready. He knows perfectly well he won't be able to carry on , that staff won't obey him; that he'll be denied access to anywhere or anything official - he will never put himself in that position.

by Anonymousreply 74August 26, 2020 11:19 AM

Trump will do what he always does...Sue to the Supreme Court to invalidate the election results. He will do this to stall leaving the White House and in hopes of a Bush/Gore result. Trump is a creature of habit and won’t change in this case either. Watch.

by Anonymousreply 75August 26, 2020 12:05 PM

The Can't Win Don't Try trolls are pathetic. I wish DL would stop giving them attention. All they have to do is post some "I'm crying as a type!" sob story like this and people come running to the thread.

by Anonymousreply 76August 26, 2020 12:15 PM

Jesus Christ, they have been saying that about every president since Nixon. He'll go if he loses.

That is what America is about. He'll we had an election in the middle of a civil war.

by Anonymousreply 77August 26, 2020 12:47 PM

R58 , a Tape of him using Racisl slurs would only drum up his white supremacist base , YOU ARE A MORON .

by Anonymousreply 78August 26, 2020 1:40 PM

R49, the new Congress gets sworn in on January 4 - two weeks before Inauguration Day.

by Anonymousreply 79August 26, 2020 2:05 PM

All the Secret Service will have to do is cut off the Internet access and turn off the two or three closest cell towers to the White House.

The big baby will come out crying. He can go longer without food and sleep than being without Twitter.

by Anonymousreply 80August 26, 2020 2:07 PM

[quote] Nancy and all of us wonder what Putin's got on Trump.

Money. Trump needs russian money. Trump Org is awash in Russian money. I’m sure business deals where Russian proposed money laundering projects with Trump were recorded & Trump admits crime.

I believe the same is true of Lindsey Graham. If it was sex there would be a hint of what it is, like with Falwell it came out in dribs & drabs until 2 months before election, when it was time to POW BANG Falwell right in the kisser. I think Graham has taken laundered money in campaign donations that he knew was laundered & he was recorded too.

What I want to know is who paid kavanaugh’s country club membership & debt?

by Anonymousreply 81August 26, 2020 2:07 PM

UKGuy, this is my first post on this thread, and I’m here to tell you that I am one of those who are quite alarmed, but most certainly not afraid? Sure, he’s just an old man, but when half the federal apparatus is willing to obey him *no matter what” we now have a situation with his minions having real power. These are the people who pull the levers of federal power, and there is still no other government on this planet more powerful. Our federal government possesses enormous power, and he may have partial control still. I’m not afraid, I’m trying to prepare for the worst case scenario (while hoping for the best).

He should be shot, and I don’t understand why that hasn’t happened yet. Where’s our CIA when we need them?

by Anonymousreply 82August 26, 2020 2:15 PM

If he wins it's because he cheated. And from then on it will only be Trumpublicans in the White House. They'll rig it from the top down and if you're a candidate with honor and plays fairly, you will lose. That's what I'm really so afraid of. Our democracy will be over, if it hasn't happened already.

by Anonymousreply 83August 26, 2020 3:20 PM

If Biden is serious about winning, then he needs to run on a platform of nuking Germany as punishment for sticking us with Trump’s family. We should’ve killed every last one of them in 1945. Trump is why. The Germans are a vile, disgusting sub-subrace of inhuman monsters. They are guilty of genocide so they deserve it for themselves.

And kill the goddamn russkies along with them. There will be no punishment too severe for what you disgusting kraut russkie vermin have done to this country. You both revealed your true character during the London blitz 80 years ago. For that alone, you earned genocide.

The German moral character is nonexistent. Every single thing Adolf Hitler said about the Jews was 100% psychological projection. The German cries out in pain as he systematically exterminates you and your whole family and your whole race and your whole religion and your whole sexual orientation. They did it to us so let’s do it to them as payback. If we don’t, they will do it again. Kenosha was the last straw.

by Anonymousreply 84August 26, 2020 4:41 PM

wow, glad I blocked that freak

by Anonymousreply 85August 26, 2020 4:47 PM

R83, if King Donald is allowed to remain on His throne past January 20, one of His first royal edicts will be one banning the Democratic Party. Then, once the 2022 midterms are won by the only remaining party, He will demand (and get) the right to run for a third term.

by Anonymousreply 86August 26, 2020 6:19 PM

I might high-tail it to Mexico if he’s re-elected. That would probably be my best bet.

by Anonymousreply 87August 26, 2020 9:48 PM

Actually, in a perverse way I look forward to the possibility of him losing and refusing to leave the White House and Congress or whoever having to have him physically removed by the military.

by Anonymousreply 88August 26, 2020 11:07 PM

[quote] Trump loses, he is over Jan. 20. Still unsettled? Nancy Pelosi is sworn-in until it is settled. It is not Trump's decision.

That’s not how it works. Were you alive in 2000? SCOTUS picked the president who lost both the popular vote & the electoral college & installed him.

[bold] Then there’s this [/bold]

The three closest states in the 2016 election—Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan—all have Democratic governors but Republican legislatures. It’s conceivable in a close race that the Democratic governor certifies one result and one set of electors, but the Republican legislature certifies an entirely different result and set of electors. That’s where all these scenarios can start to go haywire

[bold] However, they require one other precondition: a divided Congress in 2021.[/bold]

Any conflict over the 2020 election results, including competing returns, would be decided by the next Congress, the one elected in November and seated on January 3, 2021. (Yes, the new Congress is sworn in almost three weeks before the president and three days before the presidential election is certified by Congress.) If Capitol Hill continues to be divided, with Democrats controlling the House and Republicans controlling the Senate, these scenarios come into play. It is unlikely to be an issue, however, if Democrats control both chambers.

[bold] There is precedent for this. [/bold]

In 1876, three different Southern states sent two sets of returns and two sets of electors to Congress. The result sparked a national crisis, and Congress created a special electoral commission to resolve the election, which was eventually awarded to Republican Rutherford B. Hayes. Democrats then controlled the House, but Republicans controlled the Senate.

[bold] Things have gotten better since 1876, right? [/bold]

Not really. Although Congress passed the Electoral Count Act of 1887 to try to clarify the situation in the future, it is “gibberish,” in the words of Lawrence Douglas, a professor at Amherst College who has written a book about potential nightmare scenarios for the 2020 election. There are broad questions about whether it should even be considered a law, or whether it is merely a rule of congressional procedure that can be overturned.

by Anonymousreply 89August 26, 2020 11:57 PM

That's if they are willing to remove him. Remember, he's stacked every department, every agency with his personal ass kissing toadies.

by Anonymousreply 90August 26, 2020 11:57 PM

I felt confident last week during the DEM convention but now I feel like goofy Americans are gaining support and energy during this week's convention. It's going to be a close election but I think both parties are focused on the real need to win the battleground states and the electoral college. I'm sick to my stomach every morning wondering if RBG is still living. I've never been a praying person but please Lord, let Joe win!!

by Anonymousreply 91August 27, 2020 12:01 AM

[bold] Cont’d [/bold]

The Electoral Count Act does provide that in the case of conflicting returns, the set of election returns “certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted.” That means the governors. Because of the ambiguous legal standing of the law, however, a divided Congress could still raise issues about whether this resolves the dispute, and Republicans in the Senate could still try to force a stalemate.

[bold] This creates a whole new set of issues. If there is a stalemate over a conflicting set of returns from a state, its electoral votes could get thrown out. [/bold]

But there’s no clear method of determining what happens next. Currently, to win the Electoral College, a candidate has to win a majority of the electoral votes: 270 out of 538 available. But there is no literature or precedent for what happens if electoral votes get thrown out. Do candidates still need to win 270 — or merely a simple majority of the electoral votes cast? Electoral votes have been rejected only once, in the election of 1872, when Ulysses Grant cruised to victory against Horace Greeley, a newspaper publisher who died shortly after the election. Grant won by such an overwhelming margin that this issue was not addressed.

[bold] So, what happens then? [/bold]

The short answer is “human sacrifice, dogs, and cats living together… mass hysteria.” The long answer is a political fight that will be entirely results-oriented. Under the 12th Amendment, if no candidate wins a majority of the electoral votes, the election goes to the House of Representatives (the Veep Season 5 scenario), where each state delegation then casts a single vote. California gets one vote, Wyoming gets one vote, and the presidential candidate who gets 26 states’ votes wins. Currently, Republicans control 26 state delegations in the House, Democrats control 23, and one is split. Even though the House has an elected Democratic majority, Republicans continue to narrowly control the majority of state delegations, just as they hold the majority of Senate seats.

[bold] This could lead to a scenario where Republicans try to force the election to the House, arguing that Biden has not received 270 votes, and attempt a last-ditch effort to elect Trump through their majority at the state delegation level. [/bold]

by Anonymousreply 92August 27, 2020 12:02 AM

[bold] Is any of this likely? [/bold]

Probably not 🤞. It requires a very specific set of circumstances where Trump loses, challenges the validity of the election, and then still has enough allies in state legislatures and Washington, D.C., to be able to formally overturn the Electoral College results—to say nothing of the popular vote—under color of law. That said, the convoluted and arcane nature of the American electoral system still presents a number of choke points that create openings for a sore and resourceful loser to attempt to force a different result.

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by Anonymousreply 93August 27, 2020 12:05 AM

Everyone is right to be concerned, but let us not forget, Julian Assange is snitching on everyone, fatass Bannon is also singing like a canary, Falwell just went down, and Smellycunt Cuntway just quit because her kid was about to dump all kinds of dirt. You know who’s next? Erik Prince. This militia shit is all his doing and they’re about to pop him. More of them will drop and then if Diapers raises too much hell, there are MULTIPLE piss tapes and Jizz. People are ready for this, and now everyone needs to just go out and VOTE.

by Anonymousreply 94August 27, 2020 12:19 AM

Jizz meaning Jizzlaine.

R94

by Anonymousreply 95August 27, 2020 1:00 AM

[quote] Julian Assange is snitching on everyone, fatass Bannon is also singing like a canary,

Julian Assange is a fanatic. He’ll give a little bit of information to appear cooperative, but he won’t give up the big stuff. Bannon is an ideologue who craves chaos & destruction. He will keep his mouth shut. He is laughing. He believes he is smarter than everyone else & he will beat these charges.

by Anonymousreply 96August 27, 2020 1:45 AM

Wait, back up! R37, did you say you can run the country from a booth in Taco Bell?

JARED, WHY WASN'T I TOLD THIS FOUR YEARS AGO?

by Anonymousreply 97August 27, 2020 1:53 AM

Joe and Kamala need to beat Trump with his own weapons, they NEED to start blaming the chaos and the unrest on Trump and his incompetence and his bad handling of this crisis.

by Anonymousreply 98August 27, 2020 1:57 AM

Joe and Kamala need to beat Trump with his own weapons, they NEED to start blaming the chaos and the unrest on Trump and his incompetence and his bad handling of this crisis.

by Anonymousreply 99August 27, 2020 1:57 AM

I agree

Everyone keeps talking about how emotional Obama was in his speech, as if he really let Trump have it. Obviously, arguing back with someone who's obnoxious is only going to escalate the argument, but I can't think of anything more important right now than a politician standing behind a podium and saying calmly but firmly that the safety of all Americans is at stake because their democracy has been torn apart by the current president and his desire to become a dictator. It's not even an opinion anymore. It's just fact! Why are the politicians on the Democratic side refusing to do this when they have the attention of the voters? This election isn't about Joe Biden at all. It's about whether or not you're willing to let someone become a dictator of the United States. That's it! Please, no more speeches about Hope and coming together and Kumbaya. Remind people that he's allowed this stupid pandemic to ravage the nation and he does not care one iota about it. That he has put families in cages and emboldened racists and white supremacist. That he is trying to disable the post office to keep from being voted out of office. If I can hear this stuff said, with understandable alarm, by Seth Meyers and Stephen Colbert and Samantha Bee, why won't the Democratic politicians say it?

Ugh. He's just feels like the crazy people are screaming and yelling and waving their guns and the sensible people are standing around handing out napkins and saucers of tea while asking for people to be cordial with one another.

by Anonymousreply 100August 27, 2020 6:27 AM

Toxic masculinity is a real problem as many straight white guys think Republican means tough and Democrat means pussy. They don’t think and they vote in the millions as if choosing which football team to root for. They’ll throw away our democracy for us and have no clue what they’ve done. People should have to take a basic civics test to be allowed to vote.

by Anonymousreply 101August 27, 2020 12:17 PM

Life will go on sweet pea. Get your hyperbolic commentary out of here. Bad things will happen yes, but most of us will survive. Except the really old Eldergays, they may die by 2024.

by Anonymousreply 102August 27, 2020 12:41 PM

R101, politics to them has become tribal, very much like sports fandom. And just look at how some fans react when their favorite sportsball team wins (or loses).

No matter who wins in November, there will be widespread havoc, and probably bloodshed. Kenosha is just the beginning of what the Trump cult will unleash if Biden wins.

by Anonymousreply 103August 27, 2020 7:45 PM

My state has had electronic voting machines that also produce a paper receipt that the voter has to sign off on since the Florida debacle of 2000, R7.

For the last, few years we’ve also had automatic mail-in ballots for everyone that have to be filled out and signed by hand. We can mail them back or deliver them personally to poll workers or drop-off boxes.

by Anonymousreply 104August 27, 2020 9:34 PM

R44 is a lying piece of shit and deflecting Fake Newsman.

Bernie Sanders and his supporters will overwhelmingly vote for Biden just to stop Trump, as most of them supported Hillary in 2016.

I’m sorry if you think your conservative Democrat warmongers are entitled to nominations and presidencies; they’re not. I’m sorry that you think Biden and Hillary are perfect. They’re not.

But to keep on Demonizing Sanders supporters as the problem this late in the game is the ultimate derangement.

REAL NEWS FLASH: most Sanders supporters will vote Biden on Nov. 3. Most Republicans will not.

Guess who the problem is?

Thank God Biden considers Bernie a friend, unlike the division monger @ r44, who could easily be a right-wing troll.

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