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When did Madonna stop being cool?

Was it the Britney kiss at the VMAs? The gyrating in the Hung Up video? The sex book?

by Anonymousreply 15910/23/2020

In fits and starts. The Britney kiss was lame. The Justin video was lame. Using the word “bitch” in every other song title was lame. The ass implants were beyond.

by Anonymousreply 108/24/2020

The long, final decline started in the early 2000s. You can’t stay relevant in pop culture for 3 decades. She came across as desperate.

by Anonymousreply 208/24/2020

it started right after 'Vogue', which was her peak

when she got full-blown granny hands she was definitely over

by Anonymousreply 308/24/2020

We don't know [bold]JANBOT![/bold]

Why don't you fascinate us all with your obsessive knowledge and deeply held hurt which you are not able to get over about something Madonna did to you to turn you into an obsessive stalker and start 3 threads a day on DL about how deeply infatuated and tormented you are by Madonna...

Tell us!

by Anonymousreply 408/24/2020

Was it this poorly planned and badly received "stunt" that did Janet Jackson in?

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by Anonymousreply 508/24/2020

Or was it her shocking bad plastic surgery so that now her nose is detachable - just like Michael's taped on nose....

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by Anonymousreply 608/24/2020

Maybe it was because Janet Jackson is so fat?

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by Anonymousreply 708/24/2020

Bad plastic surgery and FAT?!?!

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by Anonymousreply 908/24/2020

Can you people PLEASE stop making threads about this washed up hag?

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by Anonymousreply 1108/24/2020

I dunno, OP, but I’m figuring it was around...1986.

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by Anonymousreply 1208/24/2020

I'm confused about people posting about Janet here. Do people hate one and love the other? I like both tbh.

by Anonymousreply 1308/24/2020

Sne was already looking quite weathered and dried out by the Hung Up video. Her leotard and feathered hair getup was so cringe worthy.

by Anonymousreply 1408/24/2020

Madonna was never cool. She was always untalented and desperate for fame and that is never, ever, cool.

ANYONE armed with enough equipment and a good sound technician can sound as good as Madonna.

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by Anonymousreply 1608/24/2020

Britney - it created an instant comparison that didn’t have to exist.

by Anonymousreply 1708/24/2020

To me it was when she released “American Life.” It didn’t have any big hits, and she seemed to be losing her way.

by Anonymousreply 1808/24/2020

It started fall '92. The Sex book was embarrassing. Erotica's a good album, but people were tired of sexy shenanigans by that point. And then that awful Bodies of Evidence. She became a joke and while she did bounce back, none of work post 1991 was very good, including the critically acclaimed but incessantly dull Ray of Light.

by Anonymousreply 1908/24/2020

R19 is wrong. Ray of Light and Evita were great points for Madonna. “Music” later on was also played everywhere in clubs and considered very cool by everyone. “Hey Mr DJ, I wanna dance with my baby” was recited by club kids everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 2008/24/2020

Like a Virgin.

by Anonymousreply 2108/24/2020

I think the final nail was Hung Up when she had to use a sample of an ABBA song to get attention. Though I think Confessions on a Dance Floor is her last great album.

MDNA had no good song. The only decent song was Beautiful Killer which she added to a special edition when the original release didn't sell.

by Anonymousreply 2208/24/2020

The video with Justin Timberlake where the edit cut away from Madonna every nano second so the viewer couldn't notice how old she looked next to Justin.

by Anonymousreply 2308/24/2020

I would say in the late 90’s when she started doing that earth mother/Kabbalah shit with Ray of Light. I remember thinking it was so lame. Then her lady of the manor shit during the Guy Ritchie years was when most people lost interest. She proved herself to be the typical desperate woman who would do anything to keep a man, and it made everyone realize how pathetic she was. Then when the marriage ended she wanted to make up for lost time and play the sexual party girl again but nobody cared anymore.

by Anonymousreply 2408/24/2020

She stopped being cool when she started getting old. Call me ageist, call me mysoginist, whatever, but old people can't pull off "in-your-face vulgar sexy", and Madonna's entire brand is "in-your-face vulgar sexy". I'd say the same thing for older men as I would for older women. Older people can still be sexy, but they have to be sexy in a "classy" sort of way. The "look how naked I am, look how upfront I am about sex, look how I'm gyrating and rubbing all over my body in a sexy way" thing doesn't work for older people. Loud, vulgar, in-your-face sexuality only works for people who are at most in their 30's, and Madonna is over half that age and still hasn't figured that out.

by Anonymousreply 2508/24/2020

Madonna was a master in re-inventing herself for every new album. Yes, aging can be blamed on her fall from grace, but only because she refused to "age with grace" using her getting older to her female empowerment advantage. Instead, she re-invented herself as sad but horny cougar preying on young men.

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by Anonymousreply 2608/24/2020

I actually LIKE Madonna but even I'm sick of all these threads.

Madonna is rich as hell and has sold an insane number of records. She, unlike Janet or any other pop princesses, is a fucking LEGEND, so whether you love her or hate her, it isn't going to change that.

by Anonymousreply 2708/24/2020

[quote]I actually LIKE Madonna but even I'm sick of all these threads.

Are you so fucking dumb that you don’t realize that if you don’t like a thread then you can simply ignore it?

by Anonymousreply 2808/24/2020

I just don't understand DL's never-ending quest to discredit Janet Jackson's career. She made fun dance music, one of the few idols for young black girls, major accomplishments like 7 top 5 singles from 1 album. Mind boggling.

by Anonymousreply 2908/24/2020

Madonna stopped being cool because of how time changes society. Her "risqué, feminist confident in her sexuality, being blasphemous and making religion sexy" thing was scandalous in the 80's, and then her "openly embracing gays with open arms" thing was scandalous in the 90's, but by the time the 2000's rolled around most of the taboos were no longer taboo. There was nothing you could really do to create a world-stopping scandal like she used to because society had already seen it all and even normalized some of it. And then the internet became common and after that NOTHING could shock society anymore because videos like Two Girls, One Cup were available at the tips of their fingers. They'd seen it all already. Madonna lost touch with how to be scandalous, started doing things she already did 2 decades ago, and eventually became the Norma Desmond of pop music.

by Anonymousreply 3008/24/2020

Madonna stopped being cool after Bedtime Stories. Even though Ray of Light is one of her best records, once she found her faux spirituality, the old cool Madonna was gone. But you could also argue that she stopped being cool when she faced the backlash from Erotica and Sex because it destroyed her and turned her inward..she no longer had the freedom she felt before as an artist..she felt silenced!

by Anonymousreply 3108/24/2020

About a hundred years ago

by Anonymousreply 3208/24/2020

Madonna was cool?

Not for actual cool kids.

by Anonymousreply 3308/24/2020

You know she’s kicking herself for not coming up with a song like WAP.

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by Anonymousreply 3508/24/2020

R33 Everything you thought was cool is now gone. All of your idols are now old men on the brink of death. The culture you thought was cool, the glory days you're clinging to, they're all gone. The cool kids are now left with only their memories of a time that has been forgotten by the rest of the world. You're nothing. Everything you ever loved is dust now.

by Anonymousreply 3608/24/2020

That horrible movie she made with Rupert Everett just ENDED her.

by Anonymousreply 3708/24/2020

madonna stopped being cool in the us first, probably around the sex book release as someone noted above; no artist can be cool and be that prominent in media. then she's doing the treacly soundtrack songs and chasing r&b.

europe/uk tolerated her at least through hung up.

not being cool doesn't mean you can't make good records, though.

by Anonymousreply 3808/24/2020

R34 I know right..I thought the same thing but I fear she may try to do her version of it.

by Anonymousreply 3908/24/2020

You do realize the regular version amd the deluxe.version were released the same day, R22? Of course you did.

by Anonymousreply 4008/24/2020

Madonna was cool in the 80s and got a little corny in the 90s forward....she is absolutely batshit crazy now. I think in another 5 years she might have a renaissance if she could just chill the f out with the crazy for a couple of years.

by Anonymousreply 4108/24/2020

Dick Tracy.

by Anonymousreply 4208/24/2020

R39 You just know an IG video of her trying to be sexy in her bathroom while playing the song is coming, grill and all.

by Anonymousreply 4308/24/2020

A renaissance in 5 years ??? At 70 yo ? Sure. Madonna was NEVER cool. She was gross, she was vulgar, she established new lows in everything she touched, because of her, instead of singers , we have now prostitutes on autotune. Never cool.

by Anonymousreply 4408/24/2020

R44 I guess it depends on how “cool”is defined. She was popular and sort of doing something different in the 80s, so I’d say that was her “cool” period. Renaissance of her catalog, not the old broad going out and touring lol! Btw not a Madonna fan then or now.

by Anonymousreply 4508/24/2020

When she moved to England and put on a posh English accent.

by Anonymousreply 4608/24/2020

The hate train started with the Rebel Heart album, which was leaked online months in advance. Then her weird and unprofessional behavior on the Rebel Heart tour was the final straw for most people.

by Anonymousreply 4708/24/2020

[quote]she established new lows in everything she touched, because of her, instead of singers , we have now prostitutes on autotune. Never cool.

Exactly. She is the reason standards are so low now in music and why it’s all about image and not talent.

by Anonymousreply 4808/24/2020

Do you think she cries when she googles alerts herself and reads these hateful comments?

by Anonymousreply 4908/24/2020

the only time she's crying is all the way to the bank

by Anonymousreply 5008/24/2020

While I've still enjoyed some of her later output (yes, even some of the silly Madame X era), for me, the decline started post-Hard Candy and Sticky & Sweet. In the mid 2000s, of course she didn't have the cultural relevance she had in the 80s and 90s, but she'd become a touring Juggernaut with her massively successful arena and stadium tours. Those strenuous world tour days are probably behind her now. We all saw, sadly, how the Madame X tour practically killed the woman. She actually sounds surprisingly good on the new Dua Lipa track, so maybe she should just concentrate on releasing good pop dance music that she enjoys without worrying about the charts -- I doubt she'll ever have a number 1 album or top 10 song again and that's okay, you hung in there longer than most, old gal.

by Anonymousreply 5108/24/2020

When Madonna started pandering to GenZ as if they care about that old woman

by Anonymousreply 5208/24/2020

American Life

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by Anonymousreply 5308/24/2020

R53 - Although I understand the enormous pressure on artists to conform and "support the Troops" etc in the lead up to and immediate aftermath of the Iraq War, I think she made a critical error of judgment in not moving forward with the original American Life video. It was bold and shocking and just what the country needed at the time. She would have been Dixie Chick'd, but, longterm, she would have been viewed favorably for taking an unapolgetic stance. But... money talks. I get it.

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by Anonymousreply 5408/24/2020

She did okay in the early aughts (Don't Tell Me, Music, etc.) with a gradual decline after that. But I think it was the Superbowl performance in 2012 that really caused people to start knocking her. It makes me sad to see her slide like this.

by Anonymousreply 5508/24/2020

R54 I agree. Plus, Madonna has always been a provocateur, so her backing off looked even worse for her that it would've looked had another artist did the same thing.

by Anonymousreply 5608/24/2020

The “Music” era with the stupid cowgirl look and British accent was ridiculous. It was also that album where her lyrics became juvenile.

by Anonymousreply 5708/24/2020

R55 - I thought her SuperBowl performance was well received. Unless I'm misremembering.

by Anonymousreply 5808/24/2020

As a millennial, that album and Ray of Light were my introduction to her r57. They still stand as my two favourite Madonna albums.

by Anonymousreply 5908/24/2020

[quote]She, unlike Janet or any other pop princesses, is a fucking LEGEND.

Unlike Janet? Gurl, please have several seats with that stupid ass full-of-fuckery bullshit comment. Janet Jackson is the motherfucking architect for how everyone from Beyoncé to JLo to Britney present themselves artistically. She inspired every single one of these pop tarts out here, and has been doing so for decades.

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by Anonymousreply 6008/24/2020

The last time she was cool was Hung Up. When I saw the cover for Hard Candy, I knew she was completely over. And a few years later, she discovered Instagram which was far worse than the Sex book.

by Anonymousreply 6108/24/2020

When she had Lourdes and became an OLD whore

by Anonymousreply 6208/24/2020

R62, I thought Madonna looked fantastic around 96/97. But around the Ray of Light era, it's like she went into insane workout mode and she really looked like a man. Her biceps were bigger than mine are now!!

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She still wanted to do pop songs. She should have taken a hint from what Rod Steward did, he started singing standards and reworking his career and song trajectory.

But I suspect she never really stuck with the singing lessons.

by Anonymousreply 6408/24/2020

she was past cool at this point, of course, but when she appeared at the grammys with macklemore and was using a cane .... lord she looked like a granny

by Anonymousreply 6508/24/2020

The public is fickle and pop stardom is based on how trendy and marketable you can remain. Young and prettier models will come and replace the old because it's a capitalist market. And it's the effect of what happens when you build your stardom on image and spectacle.

Madonna was big until the mid-2000s. She, Janet and Mariah all sort of fell out of public favor around the same time and their quality of music declined too which didn't help. Britney, Christina, Rihanna, Alicia, Beyonce, Ciara, Pink, Nelly Furtado, Fergie, Gwen Stefani and Kelly Clarkson eclipsed them in the 2000s. Then Gaga, Taylor, Katy, Miley and Kesha got big in the late 2000s and started replacing most of the previously named except Beyonce and Rihanna and Kesha faded pretty quickly. Now Gaga, Katy and Miley got replaced by Ariana, Billie and Lizzo. Then we will see another manufactured pop star come around.

by Anonymousreply 6608/24/2020

I’m starting to think these Madonna threads are PR. Since her birthday there’s a fucking thread on Madonna or her children every fucking day. it’s excessive, even for Madonna, on a gay forum!

by Anonymousreply 6708/24/2020

Early 2000s with that embarrassing American Life rap.

by Anonymousreply 6808/24/2020

Music wise, Music is her last US superstar album. Confessions worldwide.

As far as trends and culture, she went alternative with Bedtime Stories and started following rather than leading trends.

by Anonymousreply 6908/24/2020

Madonna should be grateful she lasted as long as she has. From 1984 to 2005 she was big. 21 years is a huge accomplishment as most pop stars only last maximum of 2 to 3 years.

by Anonymousreply 7008/24/2020

[quote]As far as trends and culture, she went alternative with Bedtime Stories and started following rather than leading trends.

She may have been following trends by that point, but it was a great album that was pop/R&B lite and was age-appropriate at the same time. That’s the type of music she should be making now instead of this ridiculous shit she makes now.

by Anonymousreply 7108/24/2020

No, Madonna has minted money off selling the same shit at each change in media format. She took the money so she’s stuck acting like a butt monkey until she dies.

I want her Black Lives Matter and #Metoo songs just because we’ve already paid for them. She can sing jingles. In France. Or Detroit.

I want her to be Jerry Lewis with a telethon of Creaky fucking kids. She has to do it anally/annually.

by Anonymousreply 7208/25/2020

When she turned 100.

by Anonymousreply 7310/08/2020

Music... makes the people.... come together yeah.... 🙄

by Anonymousreply 7410/08/2020

For me, American Life was the beginning of the end and Hard Candy put the final nail in the coffin. I always loved Madonna and thought she was the epitome of cool growing up. Listening to a fifty year old woman singing about a candy shoppe was embarrassing and sad. Madonna was no longer cool to me.

It doesn’t help that she didn’t really release a good song after that. I don’t know one person who listened to Medellin all the way through.

by Anonymousreply 7510/08/2020

She was NEVER cool. She was always a try-hard.

by Anonymousreply 7610/08/2020

[quote]Music... makes the people.... come together yeah.... 🙄

Ew who put that old shit on?

by Anonymousreply 7710/08/2020

American Life. - she stopped being cool

by Anonymousreply 7810/08/2020

Objectively, it was around 2008 - her Confessions era was spectacular, but it was immediately afterwards that she plummeted from a popular and critically acclaimed high to lacklustre albums and duets with younger stars, which is all she's done ever since, and it's been over a decade so it doesn't look like she's going to recover it the way she did after previous lean periods.

by Anonymousreply 7910/08/2020

She was never cool but the final nail in the coffin was her truly cringing butt hole clenching appearance on Eurovision. The campest gayest fest on the planet. Full to the rafters of gay men and despite the vast, vast amount of money spent on staging, lighting, effects, dancers, costumes she couldn't even sing her silly little song IN TUNE for 2 minutes for fuck sake. Finally everyone got it. Crap. No talent, just hype, gloss, smoke and mirrors. Glad she's OVER.

by Anonymousreply 8010/08/2020

The Sex Book was a bit of a try hard moment.

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by Anonymousreply 8210/08/2020

Aging is what killed her career, and I don't mean that to sound ageist. It didn't have to kill her career, but she built her entire image on sex and youthful appeal. She was never going to embrace a more mature audience or gracefully transition into an age-appropriate public persona. I'm not even saying she had to desexualize her image; lots of older women are quite sexy and project sexual appeal well past even Madonna's current age. No, she had to stay vulgar, beat that sex kitten/dominatrix aesthetic to absolute death, keep chasing the same-age range of men that she's now old enough to be biological parent to, keep trying to be relevant to taste-maker teens who have grandparents her age. She's an absolute horror show to behold on social media these days, but it didn't need to be this way. She couldn't adapt, which revealed what a lie her earlier claims of being a cultural chameleon were. 4 decades later and she was a one-trick pony the entire time,

by Anonymousreply 8310/08/2020

[quote] She was never going to embrace a more mature audience or gracefully transition into an age-appropriate public persona.

But the funny thing is that she kind of DID adopt that persona during the Ray of Light and early years of her Guy Ritchie marriage. She went backwards from 2008 onwards when her marriage problems were becoming too much. When she got divorced, it was all downhill from there--she regressed.

by Anonymousreply 8410/08/2020

Coolness died the day Fox took the “can’t lose“ out of Parker Lewis.

The word never replied to Ms. Ciccone.

by Anonymousreply 8510/08/2020

Madonna is and always will be a legend. She's had an iconic career that's spanned 38 years of enormous success. Name another woman who's done that in music.

Janet? Hardly. She had about a decade before people got bored. She hasn't had a hit for nearly 20 years. And her tour grosses- don't make me laugh.

by Anonymousreply 8610/08/2020

Janet, Mariah and Whitney had two decades. Celine had 1. Madonna had three! And what's even more impressive is that she actually started her solo career relatively old. So she started and ended older than her competition.

by Anonymousreply 8710/08/2020

Mariah and Whitney had about 15 years each of success. (Mariah 1990-2005, Whitney 1985-2000). Janet had 1986-1997, with All For You being the only hit after that. I'm not as familiar with Celine's chart longevity, but unlike all of the aforementioned, Celine absolutely kills it on tour and in Vegas and continues to do so. She's like Barry Manilow in that respect. She's going to make bank from touring for a very long time. Mariah and Janet have been utter flops on tour in recent times. And Whitney had such a bad reputation live before she died that it cost her dearly.

Madonna is 2 years shy of her 40th anniversary since her first album was released. She continues to chart successfully and sell out tours. And she will continue to have tour success whenever she wants it.

by Anonymousreply 8810/08/2020

For me she died when she was photographed reading her 'children's books ' with the phoney accent.

by Anonymousreply 8910/08/2020

[quote] When did Madonna stop being cool?

Ah, last century

by Anonymousreply 9010/08/2020

We should ask the bondage chihuahua.

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by Anonymousreply 9110/08/2020

[quote]When did Madonna stop being cool?

Menopause can do that to a girl.

by Anonymousreply 9210/08/2020

Around 2005.

by Anonymousreply 9310/08/2020

Madonna is a no talent flash in the pan who should’ve been a trivia question by 1993.

by Anonymousreply 9410/08/2020

Madonna is a no talent flash in the pan who should’ve been a trivia question by 1993.

by Anonymousreply 9510/08/2020

[quote]Madonna is and always will be a has been. Janet? She is and will always be an Oscar nominee.

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by Anonymousreply 9610/08/2020

This is Janet on her last tour before her successful Vegas run. HAGdonna can’t even pull a fraction of this crowd nowadays, much less sell an album.

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by Anonymousreply 9710/08/2020

Stop dreaming Janbot. Madonna would play at staduiums with 100,000+ people and this was when she was in her 50s. Janet is playing shows that are 1/4th the size. Good effort though.

by Anonymousreply 9810/08/2020

What was HAGdonna’s last album called? REBEL FART CANDY or something? I remember it sold less than Janet’s critically-lauded Unbreakable in the states.

by Anonymousreply 9910/08/2020

[quote] This is Janet on her last tour before her successful Vegas run.

Lying cunt Jabba. This photo is from a music fest where Janet was one of MANY performers.

by Anonymousreply 10010/08/2020

According to Billboard, Rebel Heart sold 238,000 and Unbreakable sold 253,000. Hardly a record breaking difference. when Maddonna was 49 (Janet's age during Unbreakable), she had Hard Candy which sold like 4x what Unbreakablee sold.

by Anonymousreply 10110/08/2020

Madonna stopped being cool around Hard Candy (2008). It was clear she was completely done when MDNA came out (2012)

Janet was last cool with All For You (2001) then the Super Bowl happened. She was fine but underappreciated with Damita Jo (2004) and was completely done by 20 Y.O. (2006).

by Anonymousreply 10210/08/2020

Don't forget that half those units "sold" of Unbreakable were Uber giveaways. We all know Janet was caught red handed lying.

by Anonymousreply 10310/08/2020

Also one last thing, when Madonna had to pull M.I.A. and Nicki Minaj out to do Gimmie All Your Luvin in 2012, I think it was obvious they were there because she needed the boost from the kiddos they brought in. Although they didn't have much to do.

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by Anonymousreply 10410/08/2020

When she sampled that ABBA song.

by Anonymousreply 10510/08/2020

She has had so many peaks and valleys that is almost difficult to say. Ray of Light did not return her to her previous highs, but it is still the greatest comeback/reinvention in modern pop history. And Confessions is indeed one of her greatest records.

I think she started downhill with the Hard Candy record.

by Anonymousreply 10610/08/2020

Confessions was the last album I really enjoyed and bought before I ultimately lost interest in her. I remember sitting in a bar with my friend one evening when ad the videos of Hung Up and Cher's Life After Love songs were played in sequence. Maybe seeing it by itself wouldn't have promoted the same reaction, see seeing Madonna in her late-forties rolling around on a floor in a leotard giving the camera sexually provacative glances looked incredibly sad when compared to Cher standing triumphantly and well-dressed in her video singing about the young couple featured in the video.

by Anonymousreply 10710/08/2020

If it hadn’t been for the Cosa Nostra, Vadge would still be waiting tables at a pizza parlor in Detroit.

by Anonymousreply 10810/08/2020

2008 was when she turned 50 and she started trying too hard to be young, hit and relevant. And, then again around 2016 as she approached 60 she took another lurch downward.

Madame X and the tour were disasters. She's never going to sell out huge arenas.

But, she did earn her props...she had a solid 30 year career far longer than all her peers though artistically, Cyndi Lauper and Annie Lennox are both far more respected and revered for being talented artists and creating relevant careers for themselves unlike Madonna, Whitney, Janet, Mariah who couldn't figure out how to successfully transition away from being huge pop stars that sell out stadiums to a successful post superstar career.

by Anonymousreply 10910/08/2020

[quote] Madonna, Whitney, Janet, Mariah who couldn't figure out how to successfully transition away from being huge pop stars that sell out stadiums to a successful post superstar career.

You were right until you mentioned Mariah. She's doing just fine.

She has outlived Whitney, surpassed Janet without having a family name attached to her and she still remains more relevant with younger people than Madonna or anyone else up there but I'd say part of that is because of her personality. Her voice (even if it's not as strong as it used to be) is still considered legendary. She has a top Christmas song that charts every single year (and even rebroke the records that it had set, 24 years later on the streaming charts hitting number one again) and her most recent book debuted as #1 on the NY Times Best Seller's list for non fiction.

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by Anonymousreply 11010/08/2020

[quote]Ray of Light did not return her to her previous highs, but it is still the greatest comeback/reinvention in modern pop history


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by Anonymousreply 11110/08/2020

[quote]her most recent book debuted as #1 on the NY Times Best Seller's list for non fiction.

Been there, done that...

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by Anonymousreply 11210/08/2020

Ray of Light was the biggest selling album of 1998 so I would say it did return her to a high level, but yes, not to the high she had with True Blue, Like a Virgin or The Immaculate Collection

by Anonymousreply 11310/08/2020

I think it was when she suddenly got old and kept trying too hard to remain relevant and edgy and still dressing like a femme fatale teenager. She had some good years as far as music and cultural icon bullshit bt she is over.

by Anonymousreply 11410/08/2020

[quote]Been there, done that...

[bold]9[/bold] years ago for a mediocre self help book. What is she doing NOW?

by Anonymousreply 11510/08/2020

[quote]9 years ago for a mediocre self help book.

Doesn't matter. Her book reached the summit as well. And I suggest you leave the bitter assessments of the book's quality to yourself if you haven't read it.

[quote]What is she doing NOW?

Minding her own business as a mother, businesswoman, icon leader of the Rhythm Nation and newly-inducted member of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. What are YOU doing now? Oh, that's right. Nothing.

by Anonymousreply 11610/08/2020

R116, sitting on the same board as you, fuck face?

And I'm not a singer from a famous family who can barely chart. I'd never put that expectation on myself.

If I were to do so I'd be more like Mariah who is still actually relevant in 2020.

Have a fantastic night because I know Mariah Carey is.

by Anonymousreply 11710/08/2020

[quote]Mariah who is still actually relevant in 2020.


by Anonymousreply 11810/08/2020

I think the first act of desperation was the VMA kiss. Yeah, it got her lots of press but it was so transparent in its effort to get controversy. Then her appearance in that Britney video was the first time Madonna looked uncool to me. She was trying too hard. And she looked OLD in that video. She looked like shit rolling around in leaves, looking emaciated and hard in the face. But Confessions turned it around. She was on top again and she looked good, if still a little thin.

Confessions was the last time Madonna was a true superstar. People were into her music. But she and Guy Ritchie broke up, she turned 50, became insecure about her age and looks and the ill-fated plastic surgeries started. She certainly had work done before 2008 but that was the first year it was noticeable.

It's been a gradual decline for the last decade.

by Anonymousreply 11910/08/2020

The Pepsi commercial did it for me. Just like a stock share tour.

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by Anonymousreply 12010/08/2020

Madonna has always been uncool. She was the Katy Perry of the 80s. I’d say people turned on her during that pathetic SEX book phase.

by Anonymousreply 12110/08/2020

Almost all popstars who don't have natural raw talent will stop being cool. Don't get me wrong, as much as I love Madge she doesn't have natural raw talent. She was a brilliant tastemaker and smart at picking hit songs and she practically created the sexy persona that every mainstream female singer emulates today. But she aged out of her sexy iconic persona, and now her Instagram posts just seem desperate.

Think of all the legendary rockstars that young people still cherish. They had a natural raw talent- Tina, Bowie, Dylan, Prince. Thats why they're still considered cool-- their musicianship and voices equaled their brand personas. Beyonce will always be considered cool for the same reason. She won't need to make desperate Instagram posts in her 60s.

by Anonymousreply 12210/08/2020

r25 basically discussed more detailed what I was getting at.

by Anonymousreply 12310/08/2020

That post worked until you mentioned Beyonce, R122.

by Anonymousreply 12410/08/2020

Madonna was cool. Even super cool. For 5 minutes only, just before Like A Virgin. Everybody, Bordeline, Lucky Star were three excellent songs, which haven't aged a single wrinkle 40 years later. After that, she went mainstream with Like A Virgin and started prostituting herself for fame. She is extremely ambitious and hardworking. I think she should have reconverted as an artists producers and create a big music label, as she did episodically for Alanis Morisette. She's an excellent businesswoman, but she's never been an artist. Ever.

And only REAL artists remain beyond the passing years.

by Anonymousreply 12510/08/2020

It's nice Mariah has a hit biography out now but musically she is's greatest hits land for her. And, her concerts are a sloppy mess.

by Anonymousreply 12610/08/2020

[quote]She's had an iconic career that's spanned 38 years of enormous success.

This is a laughable exaggeration. She had one 10 year run of unbroken success, another 12-15 years of uneven success, and has been completely irrelevant for the past decade.

by Anonymousreply 12710/09/2020

[quote] This is a laughable exaggeration. She had one 10 year run of unbroken success, another 12-15 years of uneven success, and has been completely irrelevant for the past decade.

Agreed. That “38 years of success” bullshit is the typical drivel blathered by Madonna stans who can’t stand the fact that she’s over and has been for a very long time. Hell, in the 90s, the woman couldn’t even get a #1 album stateside. ‘Whatever happened to? articles were written about her, and she was consistently usurped by Janet, Mariah, Celine, Whitney, etc. 😂. But let these poor deluded souls have their fantasies.

by Anonymousreply 12810/09/2020

[quote] This is a laughable exaggeration. She had one 10 year run of unbroken success, another 12-15 years of uneven success, and has been completely irrelevant for the past decade.

Read it and weep, Jabba. There's nothing uneven about her success.

And this doesn't even take into account the record breaking tours.

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by Anonymousreply 12910/09/2020

[quote] She was the Katy Perry of the 80s


by Anonymousreply 13010/09/2020

[quote] And only REAL artists remain beyond the passing years

This isn't true unfortunately--Britney Spears and The Red Hot Chilli Peppers have HUGE streaming numbers.

by Anonymousreply 13110/09/2020

[quote] and she was consistently usurped by Janet, Mariah, Celine, Whitney, etc.

Yet look who had the last laugh by the end of the 90s--Madonna. Janet was only more popular globally than Madonna during the Janet/Erotica era. By Ray of Light, she was destroying those other females. From 1998 through 2008, she was outselling those women globally with the small exception of Celine when she released All the Way.

by Anonymousreply 13210/09/2020

Katy Perry was more like the Pat Brnatar of the 2010s. Madonna is an icon; she could never be reduced to a decade.

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by Anonymousreply 13410/09/2020

[quote]Ray of Light did not return her to her previous highs, but it is still the greatest comeback/reinvention in modern pop history

Madonna dousing herself in patchouli and rubbing a little grease into her hair is not a great pop comeback.

by Anonymousreply 13510/09/2020

[quote] Madonna dousing herself in patchouli and rubbing a little grease into her hair is not a great pop comeback.

No, but being the best-selling album of 1998 certainly qualifies as great comeback.

by Anonymousreply 13610/09/2020

^It paled next to Tina’s Private Dancer comeback. Now THAT was the greatest pop comeback ever.

by Anonymousreply 13710/09/2020

Her "Lady of the manor" phase with the fake English accent.

When she was thrown off that horse during a photoshoot, and lied.

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by Anonymousreply 13810/09/2020

Madonna didn't have a comeback in 1998 because she never went anywhere.

1995- The #1 single of the year with Take a Bow

1996- Huge hit film Evita

1997- a Golden Globe win and a multi-platinum soundtrack.

by Anonymousreply 13910/09/2020

R137, but Ray of Light did put Madonna at the very top again. She never really went away but she was playing second fiddle to the big three divas (Mariah, whitney and celine) until Ray of Light came out.

by Anonymousreply 14010/09/2020

She was just an 80s pop tart, 30+ years ago, why is the Madonna fan so obsessed with trying to relive that temporary moment in time?

by Anonymousreply 14110/09/2020

Why are you so obsessed with arguing something that's clearly not true?

by Anonymousreply 14210/10/2020

When she started getting into Kaballah

by Anonymousreply 14310/16/2020

During this interview

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by Anonymousreply 14410/16/2020

Not everything popular with the gays is “cool.”

by Anonymousreply 14510/16/2020

Definitely in the early 2000s. A middle aged woman trying so hard was sad.

by Anonymousreply 14610/16/2020

She was cool?

by Anonymousreply 14710/16/2020

Madame X. That whole alter ego as stupid. Then all the cancelled concerts or 2-3 hour delays. I think fans put up with alot but that was the kicker.

by Anonymousreply 14810/16/2020

Madame X. That whole alter ego as stupid. Then all the cancelled concerts or 2-3 hour delays. I think fans put up with alot but that was the kicker.

by Anonymousreply 14910/16/2020

Kabbalah is to Madonna what Scientology is to Tom Cruise.

by Anonymousreply 15010/16/2020

I’d say 20 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 15110/16/2020

[quote] Madame X. That whole alter ego as stupid.

Dita was her first alter ego and that was dumb too.

by Anonymousreply 15210/16/2020

Mariah owes everything to that goddamned Christmas song. You're right that she is still relevant today, and I think she will be relevant until the day she dies, but it's only because of that Christmas song. Mariah is a cultural icon because of that song, she is timeless because of that song. Without that song she would have been as much of a fad as Janet was.

by Anonymousreply 15310/22/2020

[quote]Without that song she would have been as much of a fad as Janet was.

I see what you did there, and it didn't work.

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by Anonymousreply 15410/22/2020

I wouldn't say Janet was a fad...she suffers from the same thing Madonna does...she takes herself FAR too seriously.

by Anonymousreply 15510/22/2020

If taking yourself seriously caused irrelevancy, Lady Gaga would have been dead a long time ago.

by Anonymousreply 15610/22/2020

[quote]a fad as Janet was.

Fads don't sustain decades-long, successful, hit-making, award-decorated, record-breaking multi-media careers that inspire millions of fans and generations of other artists, darling. But, you already knew that.

by Anonymousreply 15710/22/2020

Gaga has actually had a way shorter career than anyone acknowledges. Her music career basically lasted from 2008 to 2013. She's lucky she had opportunities like A Star Is Born, which is why I think she should branch out into acting and retire from making music. As a musician her audience is now pretty much ONLY gay men. She needs Ariana Grande to get a song played on the radio nowadays.

by Anonymousreply 15810/23/2020

When she became a virtual assistant.

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