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When Did White People Stop Dancing

Dancing used to be a huge thing. It was present at almost all social events, it was the way you found people to hook up with, it was the way you impressed others. Dancing was as basic a skill as cursive, almost everybody knew how to dance and did it often. Eventually dancing became "embarassing" and people rarely did it (I think it has to do with how repressing your emotions and not publicly displaying joy became "cool)), but this especially happened in white culture. Dancing is still a prevalent thing in black culture, it's still second nature and is still the way you get dates, impress people, etc etc. My question is, why is it that white people have done away with dancing for the most part in their culture while black people haven't? And what made white culture get rid of it that didn't but didn't affect black culture?

by Anonymousreply 115Last Tuesday at 6:41 PM

Yikes, multiple typos. Sorry, I've been drinking.

by Anonymousreply 108/16/2020

Totally agree OP - as a white middle aged gay who loves to dance. There were so many places we could dance as gay men until the 2000s. Then it seemed bottle service and posing replaced going out to get your groove on. So sad - it’s like a whole essential part of gay life just disappeared. Why? I guess kids just don’t have the confidence to get out on a dance floor and get their freak on.

by Anonymousreply 208/16/2020

What's a "pally"?

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by Anonymousreply 308/16/2020

The question is moot. Hardly anybody actually dance now. Most just randomly wiggle, others are simulating fucking standing up or in other positions.

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by Anonymousreply 408/16/2020

Shit. I’m a Gen X person and used to go out dancing all the time.

Was in Barcelona 10 years ago and dancing was a big fun thing, mixed gay and straight clubs.

by Anonymousreply 508/16/2020

Whitey be uptight.

by Anonymousreply 608/16/2020

Because...

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by Anonymousreply 708/16/2020

[quote]. but this especially happened in white culture.

No it didn't. Shut the fuck up racist troll.

by Anonymousreply 808/16/2020

R7, see also:

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by Anonymousreply 908/16/2020

R3 I'm not sure but I believe it's the name as "Palaise", a fancy name for a local dance hall(French meaning Palace). "The Palaise"(which would be pronounced Pally particularly by a not necessarily sophisticated British person) was likely meant to be the name of the dance hall his sister frequented. It wouldn't be unusual, American dance halls often had grand sounding names as well.

by Anonymousreply 1008/16/2020

White people stopped dancing soon after these two died.

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by Anonymousreply 1108/16/2020

Who wants to see this?

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by Anonymousreply 1208/16/2020

Encore.

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by Anonymousreply 1308/16/2020

R8 Yup, it's the twisted, obsessive Race Troll. She's a mental case. Big nutjob.

by Anonymousreply 1408/16/2020

Buck Rogers killed it. Or maybe Janet.

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by Anonymousreply 1508/16/2020

I was so worried about the Black supremacist troll, nothing for so long. So glad you’re back, honeybun.

by Anonymousreply 1608/16/2020

To be fair, many white people dance very well.

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by Anonymousreply 1708/16/2020

Taking dancing lessons used to be required. I can't imagine many of today's yutes know how to dance.

They have to learn at least one dance for their weddings, otherwise they just hang on each other and sway until their parents cut in.

by Anonymousreply 1808/16/2020

Lots of socializing stopped: dancing; card clubs; bowling leagues; clambakes; local carnivals; and more.

by Anonymousreply 1908/16/2020

we stopped after Al and Tipper danced to Don't Stop Thinkin' About Tomorrow

by Anonymousreply 2008/16/2020

When we got too self conscious for being made fun of for our white dance moves.

by Anonymousreply 2108/16/2020

White people can dance.

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by Anonymousreply 2208/16/2020

Bowling leagues, clambakes and local carnivals are still going. At least they were before Covid.

by Anonymousreply 2308/16/2020

That's how I met my first husband. He watched me dancing.

by Anonymousreply 2408/16/2020

Same here R24. Dancing was the ESSENCE of gay life - almost as much as sex - what the hell happened. I’m amazed young gays don’t want to to dance - what a shame.

by Anonymousreply 2508/17/2020

Since the 2020 convention has started, here's a glimpse of the 1996 convention. Hillary looks so young. And white people are dancing.

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by Anonymousreply 2608/17/2020

Music is terrible now. People no longer have any joy.

by Anonymousreply 2708/17/2020

Beautiful dance

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by Anonymousreply 2809/05/2020

R15, that was amazing. Victoria Principal had some very womanly moves.

by Anonymousreply 2909/05/2020

It is the drugs. Back in the good old days we had weed, cocaine, and GHB - all naturals for dancing because they let you get in touch with your body.

Nowadays, all that the young gays have is molly, which makes your body move like a praying mantis whose brain has been devoured by a fungus.

by Anonymousreply 3009/05/2020

Why are people posting professional dancers? I thought this thread was supposed to be about regular schmegular people.

by Anonymousreply 3109/05/2020

But I thought white suburban women love to dance like no one is watching?

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by Anonymousreply 3209/05/2020

Now this is dancing, bitches. Wurk it!!!

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by Anonymousreply 3309/05/2020

I blame Elaine Benes.

by Anonymousreply 3409/05/2020

I think it's a legit question, but not necessarily a racially segregated one. I'm not sure POC dance socially like they used to, either, at least here in NYC.

Some potential factors:

The obesity epidemic (yes, really), particularly among young people.

The scarcity of really good, fun dance music, at least known to the public.

The loss of venues (bars, small clubs) where social dancing took place without a cover charge or with a small one. In NYC, for example, cabaret laws were changed in the 90s/00s and many of these places closed or lost their cabaret license due to "community interests."

The overt sexualization of dancing in public, at least for young women. It's not a spontaneous act of joy or a response to music anymore. It's an ADVERTISEMENT, a sexual come-on, an invitation, a narcissistic boast of one's beauty and desirability posted on social media in order to SELL something.

by Anonymousreply 3509/05/2020

I think a lot has to do with the fact that even the most even mediocre gay club now has a velvet rope policy. Policed by an asshole bouncer making the decisions on who gets in immediately and who has to stand their like a fool waiting for the bouncer’s long awaited anointment to let the rest in. Plus most of today’s dance music sucks.

by Anonymousreply 3609/05/2020

This white boy can dance.

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by Anonymousreply 3709/05/2020

Y’all are so out of touch. TikTok is filled with white people dancing

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by Anonymousreply 3809/05/2020

Why are people posting professional dancers? I thought this thread was supposed to be about regular schmegular people.

The OP made no mention of regular schmegular people. The post was about white people and culture.

by Anonymousreply 3909/05/2020

And R38 doesn't quite comprehend "social dancing...."

It's pretty telling that the universally known/loved song in the video at R37 is from 1991... almost 30 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 4009/05/2020

The music sucks. What was the last great dance song that came out and became a worldwide smash and made everyone want to dance?

Clubs have turned into condos.

People don't want to go out anymore, and if they do, they sit and stare at their phones. Social media has killed so many things. People meet online now. No need to go to a club.

COVID. People don't want to go places where there are too many people. Afraid of germs.

And, as much as I love to dance, it can also be nerve-wracking. Go to a concert and people are sitting. That first person to get up has probably contemplated in their head for 10 minutes whether they should get up and dance. I think people are still timid and shy about dancing in public spaces.

by Anonymousreply 4109/05/2020

After the sexual revolution, you didn't have to do social dancing in order to touch other people's bodies.

by Anonymousreply 4209/05/2020

R10, Palais

by Anonymousreply 4309/05/2020

People are unskilled and too drunk for it.

I love dancing. I'm an amazing dancer, by all accounts.

by Anonymousreply 4409/05/2020

I guess the 1950s was the last great moment of pair dancing. It seemed to go downhill in the early 1960s, after the popularity of The Twist.

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by Anonymousreply 4509/05/2020

[quote]The question is moot. Hardly anybody actually dance now. Most just randomly wiggle, others are simulating fucking standing up or in other positions.

It’s true. I think it’s because “music” today is hard to dance to because a lot of it isn’t music, just a bunch of computer generated sounds.

by Anonymousreply 4609/05/2020

R41 - you are so right. I went to see the Chainsmokers last fall and almost everyone was just watching and recording it with their phone. Hardly anyone standing or dancing or engaging with the concert. It hurt my soul.

There are tons of dancing videos on TikTok - which is why it is so weird. It's like no one wants to dance in public unless they do it at home and can post it.

Big dance places have been crushed by urban development. I remember when Guiliani cracked down on clubs - the dance scene in NYC practically collapsed overnight.

Most big gay dance places would get continuous noise complaints from the new condo owners next door. I can think of 5 different places (not in NYC) that had major issues with the 'new' neighbors - invariably living in brand new condos that were built next to these places.

If you don't like noise, don't move in next to a CLUB??? These developers bought the property cheap BECAUSE it was in a commercial area and next to clubs. Then they shut them down.

by Anonymousreply 4709/05/2020

My mother was in high school in the late 50s/early 60s. She said everyone knew how to do the Lindy. I think dancing started declining after the 80's. Maybe when rap and hiphop gained popularity, because you can't really dance to it.

by Anonymousreply 4809/05/2020

[quote]It's like no one wants to dance in public unless they do it at home and can post it.

We now live in a society where nothing is spontaneous anymore. People have to practice and rehearse EVERY thing they do because people are so obsessed with how others view them. Just look at these people who take 100 selfies of the same pose in a desperate attempt to find the “perfect” shot to put on Instagram. It’s sad everyone is so rigid these days.

by Anonymousreply 4909/05/2020

TikTok is teeming with white dancers

by Anonymousreply 5009/05/2020

The Caucasian Circassian boys are still dancing....mostly with each other looks like.

dancing starts at about 2'50" 1 female and about 40 men fighting it out on the dance floor at a wedding.

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by Anonymousreply 5109/05/2020

Nowadays whites are prolly afraid to dance out of fear of sjws lashing out and accusing them of cultural appropriation.

by Anonymousreply 5209/05/2020

I was having a conversation with a friend just before lockdown hit over here and we were saying that when we were younger we spent virtually every Friday and Saturday night out dancing somewhere. It just doesn’t seem to happen now. Interesting thread, OP.

by Anonymousreply 5309/05/2020

'Bout 1967?

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by Anonymousreply 5409/05/2020

[quote] Why are people posting professional dancers? I thought this thread was supposed to be about regular schmegular people.

r37's cadet is a regular schmegular person.

by Anonymousreply 5509/05/2020

[quote] I went to see the Chainsmokers last fall

[quote] It hurt my soul.

Serves you right.

by Anonymousreply 5609/05/2020

Top 40 music these days is not supposed to make you dance. It's supposed to make douchebros and their weekend hookers raise their hands and holler "YOLO" in some shitty, tacky Russian/Albanian mafia owned club or soundtrack your Uber ride. Most of today's hits are either novelty songs or extended, annoying ringtones.

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by Anonymousreply 5709/05/2020

Well, dudes can only move in a restricted manner. Otherwise, people will think they are effeminate or corny. Hip hop rules culture, so dancing has to be done within a masculine hip hop sensibility

by Anonymousreply 5809/05/2020

R58 even blacks aren't moving that well with Hip Hop everywhere. I miss the ole' Motown sounds that got the whole world a jumpin'

by Anonymousreply 5909/05/2020

Nobody wants to dance to Wet Ass Pussy and such. I remember dancing in clubs as recently as 2015. Music today sucks, it’s all pimps and hoes and pussies and nastiness. The fun is gone.

by Anonymousreply 6009/05/2020

R61, Plenty of young girls are dancing to WAP. Where r u? Most clubs are closed bit their dancing to it at house parties.

by Anonymousreply 6109/05/2020

Is this hip hop shit EVER going to die? I know it’s been around since the 80’s, but it was like as soon as 2000 hit, it just completely took over all other types of music and hasn’t stopped since.

by Anonymousreply 6209/05/2020

R61 firstly it’s they’re. Secondly my reference was to gay clubs, this being a gay forum and all.

by Anonymousreply 6309/05/2020

Staggering staying power isn't it R62. With BLM now don't expect any hasty departure of said genre.

by Anonymousreply 6409/05/2020

R62 agreed. It’s like nails on a chalkboard to me.

by Anonymousreply 6509/05/2020

Hip hop evolves

by Anonymousreply 6609/05/2020

Where do black people dance these days?

by Anonymousreply 6709/05/2020

On TikTok like everyone Else

by Anonymousreply 6809/05/2020

So white and black people are still dancing exactly the same then. OP's premise is flawed.

by Anonymousreply 6909/05/2020

Thanks for that video, R51! It reminds me of a wedding I went to in Turkey. I couldn't speak the language and didn't know the right way to dance in that situation, but I got up and did it anyway, haha! Watching that video too really reminds you of mating dances of birds, especially that second guy. Fascinating!

Oh god, R52, I can absolutely see some people arguing that. "Those moves have sacred meaning!", "Some people are BANNED from dancing in the workplace and now you are just doing it like that right out on the dancefloor!" etc. And then videos passed around with people like Roxane Gay commenting: "Ugh, so tired yt people doing this!" 😂

I love dancing, and wish it would come back. I was trained in dance as a kid in the 90s and even then it was considered weird for me to do by others.

by Anonymousreply 7009/05/2020

One more time, slowly, everyone....

Performative, solo dancing posted on social media...

Is NOT social dancing.

by Anonymousreply 7109/05/2020

Well that’s the dancing I like

by Anonymousreply 7209/05/2020

R51, where is that video from? It looked like a 12-step meeting for sexual predators.

by Anonymousreply 7309/05/2020

I watch so much TCM that I think about this quite a bit, OP, albeit through the lens of a different era.

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by Anonymousreply 7409/05/2020

When disco died.

Disco died due to homophobia and racism and to this day, many straight folks, especially men, are taught that dancing is behavior of one or both of those communities.

by Anonymousreply 7509/05/2020

OP should be less concerned with white people are doing and more concerned about her own life. The obsession over whites never ends.

by Anonymousreply 7609/05/2020

Sorry. It's just that I haven't taken a shit for three months and I get a little touchy.

by Anonymousreply 7709/05/2020

R63, Fuck off you fkin cunt. You are so out of touch.

by Anonymousreply 7809/05/2020

When Lou Bega drops Mambo No. 6 white people will dance once more.

by Anonymousreply 7909/05/2020

When did your mom stop sucking off truckers? We all have questions.

by Anonymousreply 8009/05/2020

White dance

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by Anonymousreply 8109/05/2020

Uptown Funk was probably the last great dance song...sad.

by Anonymousreply 8209/05/2020

White people only have 2 moves

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by Anonymousreply 8309/05/2020

When they began instead having sex with each other with drinks in one hand on the dancefloor in the 2000s?

by Anonymousreply 8409/05/2020

TikTok dancing

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by Anonymousreply 8509/07/2020

No more dance shows to learn moves from.

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by Anonymousreply 8609/07/2020

The nightclub culture never recovered from the new licenses instituted in 2000. It was like watching a switch get flicked. I'm grateful that I had the brief post-college club experience in NYC that I did. It was gone in a little more than a year.

My favorite place was Centro Fly and my favorite memory is of myself dancing with two straight male friends and just having a blast trying to out-dance each other.

Not all straight guys back then thought dancing was weird or queer.

by Anonymousreply 8709/07/2020

Tap In

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by Anonymousreply 8809/11/2020

Middle-aged and/or married straight white couples stopped dancing when dancing when "freestyle" in the late 60s. Straight guys were comfortable with dances that had defined steps they could learn. They could feel as though they were "doing it right." Being expected to let it all hang out or express themselves on the dance floor was not a comfortable experience. Straight single and/or young whites still danced when dating. In the 80s, more defined steps made a comeback. Straight guys could learn the Hustle or whatever.

I wonder if this affected the rise of country music, which has never stopped having defined dances. It even has line dancing, which I suspect a straight white guy might feel more comfortable with.

by Anonymousreply 8909/11/2020

Video equipped smartphones.

by Anonymousreply 9009/11/2020

Dance

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by Anonymousreply 9109/18/2020

King

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by Anonymousreply 9210/05/2020

Sam Rockwell's got some tasty moves.

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by Anonymousreply 9310/05/2020

People don't want to be recorded by someone's phone and then go viral looking goofy for millions to see on repeat.

by Anonymousreply 9410/05/2020

Beach

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by Anonymousreply 9510/17/2020

Remember when going to the club and watching people dance, and dancing with them, determined whether or not they’d be good in bed if they danced well? Lol!

But there was a truth to that theory.

I love dancing and went in hard in club life when it was a popular thing. It was never about going to the club to get laid, it was always about going to the club to have fun and get those major endorphins one gets from hours of sweating on the dance floor with the music pounding though your body and everyone else feeling the same ecstasy that comes from dancing together and having a singular purpose, in doing so.

Clubs are no longer even around, and the ones that are, suck.

I went home with someone from a club ONCE. Some white boy who lived in his truck. He was very sweet and didn’t know how to dance, however, he knew how to live in his truck and get romantic after the club in the back of my apartment building, in a parking spot, and he was the sweetest guy ever, and i’ll never forget his genuine nervousness and awkward way of wanting to really know how to dance.

People need to get back on the dance floor. Dancing isn’t about sex. It’s about fellowship and communion.

by Anonymousreply 9610/17/2020

R96 - exactly. I picked up so many men that I wouldn’t even consider on Grindr - because they could dance. And vice versa. Dancing allowed you to show sex appeal. There is nothing sexier to me than a guy who can dance. Still true 25 years later.

I keep thinking dancing HAS to come back. How do people - especially young gay men - NOT dance?!? But almost 20 years now since dance clubs started dying. Possibly the saddest part of internet culture - to me.

by Anonymousreply 9710/17/2020

Why do you discount TikTok dancing? It’s how people today dance. Stop longing for a past will never return

by Anonymousreply 9810/17/2020

When Obama got elected.

by Anonymousreply 9910/17/2020

The majority of straight white people cannot dance. I was watching Sixteen Candles the other night (nostalgia) and the school dance scene was full of embarrassingly bad dancers. Seems most of them were just kind of jumping up and down.

by Anonymousreply 10010/17/2020

OP Did they ever really...?

by Anonymousreply 10110/17/2020

White people in Greece, Israel, Turkey, Eastern Europe, Russia, Georgia, Armenia & other places dance all the time at weddings & parties, OP. Are you existing in some hermetically sealed universe?

by Anonymousreply 10210/17/2020

R97, it really was the funnest thing ever. I miss it, and if there were a club to go dancing to right now nearby, I’d be there.

The one culture in America that still dances and may have clubs, is the Latin culture. There was this one club in Hollywood that I went to all the time, and they had salsa, merengue, cumbia. That was always fun as well and everyone there knew how to get down.

La Floridita, on Fountain. Everyone calls it La Floridita, though it’s really El Floridita.

If anyone here is in LA and wants to have fun and learn how to dance to Latin music, this is the spot. Great food, too.

Man, I wish I were in LA right now. I’d tell all of you to meet me there and shake your money makers with me, cuz one thing I know how to do well is dance my ass off.

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by Anonymousreply 10310/17/2020

Here’s a video. This place seas THE spot and I’m sure it’s still hoppin’

Plenty of gays go there with their hags, by the way, so no reason to be shy of any of you wanna show up and boogie. Gorgeous Latin men and YES, they dance with each other. No one bats an eye.

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by Anonymousreply 10410/17/2020

Oooh! I found Mike’s birthday footage. Here he is with all of his Latin hags.

Latin girls are very sweet and they love their gays

Boys, if you are in Los Angeles, hit this place up and get on the dance floor. I promise you that you’re gonna have a blast. Trust me. 😘

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by Anonymousreply 10510/17/2020

White people dance. All people dance. I can’t speak to GenZ/Zoomers and what they might do at a Prom or whatever, but dancing hasn’t gone anywhere.

Do you mean trained dancing? People who know STEPS? The difference between a waltz or a polka? Even a basic box step? Sure.

But white people dance all the time. White people dance more varied and to a wider range of music than black folks do.

And there are still plenty of gay clubs with dance floors. The fun clubs are the Latin ones though because reggaeton is way better than the top 49 nowadays.

Give me back the 90s greats anytime though.

by Anonymousreply 10610/17/2020

This is how we dance today.

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by Anonymousreply 10710/17/2020

R107 - They're auditioning for Twyla Tharp

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by Anonymousreply 10810/17/2020

Where are all these dance clubs you speak of? Other than El Floridita in LA. In NYC, 90% of dance clubs closed. Before Covid.

by Anonymousreply 10910/17/2020

Millions of people dance at home in privacy

by Anonymousreply 11010/17/2020

Plenty white people dances! I dance!

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by Anonymousreply 111Last Tuesday at 5:45 PM

^What the hell is going on there?

by Anonymousreply 112Last Tuesday at 5:48 PM

Maybe you just haven’t been hanging out in the right places, OP.

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by Anonymousreply 113Last Tuesday at 6:01 PM

No one can resist the seductive moves of this QAnon honey trap. No one.

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by Anonymousreply 114Last Tuesday at 6:26 PM

You can definitely find white people dancing at:

Office holiday parties

Bar Mitzvahs/weddings

by Anonymousreply 115Last Tuesday at 6:41 PM
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