Dancing used to be a huge thing. It was present at almost all social events, it was the way you found people to hook up with, it was the way you impressed others. Dancing was as basic a skill as cursive, almost everybody knew how to dance and did it often. Eventually dancing became "embarassing" and people rarely did it (I think it has to do with how repressing your emotions and not publicly displaying joy became "cool)), but this especially happened in white culture. Dancing is still a prevalent thing in black culture, it's still second nature and is still the way you get dates, impress people, etc etc. My question is, why is it that white people have done away with dancing for the most part in their culture while black people haven't? And what made white culture get rid of it that didn't but didn't affect black culture?
When Did White People Stop Dancing
|by Anonymous||reply 115||Last Tuesday at 6:41 PM|
Yikes, multiple typos. Sorry, I've been drinking.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||08/16/2020|
Totally agree OP - as a white middle aged gay who loves to dance. There were so many places we could dance as gay men until the 2000s. Then it seemed bottle service and posing replaced going out to get your groove on. So sad - it’s like a whole essential part of gay life just disappeared. Why? I guess kids just don’t have the confidence to get out on a dance floor and get their freak on.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||08/16/2020|
What's a "pally"?
|by Anonymous||reply 3||08/16/2020|
The question is moot. Hardly anybody actually dance now. Most just randomly wiggle, others are simulating fucking standing up or in other positions.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||08/16/2020|
Shit. I’m a Gen X person and used to go out dancing all the time.
Was in Barcelona 10 years ago and dancing was a big fun thing, mixed gay and straight clubs.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||08/16/2020|
Whitey be uptight.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||08/16/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 7||08/16/2020|
[quote]. but this especially happened in white culture.
No it didn't. Shut the fuck up racist troll.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||08/16/2020|
R7, see also:
|by Anonymous||reply 9||08/16/2020|
R3 I'm not sure but I believe it's the name as "Palaise", a fancy name for a local dance hall(French meaning Palace). "The Palaise"(which would be pronounced Pally particularly by a not necessarily sophisticated British person) was likely meant to be the name of the dance hall his sister frequented. It wouldn't be unusual, American dance halls often had grand sounding names as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||08/16/2020|
White people stopped dancing soon after these two died.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||08/16/2020|
Who wants to see this?
|by Anonymous||reply 12||08/16/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 13||08/16/2020|
R8 Yup, it's the twisted, obsessive Race Troll. She's a mental case. Big nutjob.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||08/16/2020|
Buck Rogers killed it. Or maybe Janet.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||08/16/2020|
I was so worried about the Black supremacist troll, nothing for so long. So glad you’re back, honeybun.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||08/16/2020|
To be fair, many white people dance very well.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||08/16/2020|
Taking dancing lessons used to be required. I can't imagine many of today's yutes know how to dance.
They have to learn at least one dance for their weddings, otherwise they just hang on each other and sway until their parents cut in.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||08/16/2020|
Lots of socializing stopped: dancing; card clubs; bowling leagues; clambakes; local carnivals; and more.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||08/16/2020|
we stopped after Al and Tipper danced to Don't Stop Thinkin' About Tomorrow
|by Anonymous||reply 20||08/16/2020|
When we got too self conscious for being made fun of for our white dance moves.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||08/16/2020|
White people can dance.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||08/16/2020|
Bowling leagues, clambakes and local carnivals are still going. At least they were before Covid.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||08/16/2020|
That's how I met my first husband. He watched me dancing.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||08/16/2020|
Same here R24. Dancing was the ESSENCE of gay life - almost as much as sex - what the hell happened. I’m amazed young gays don’t want to to dance - what a shame.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||08/17/2020|
Since the 2020 convention has started, here's a glimpse of the 1996 convention. Hillary looks so young. And white people are dancing.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||08/17/2020|
Music is terrible now. People no longer have any joy.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||08/17/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 28||09/05/2020|
R15, that was amazing. Victoria Principal had some very womanly moves.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||09/05/2020|
It is the drugs. Back in the good old days we had weed, cocaine, and GHB - all naturals for dancing because they let you get in touch with your body.
Nowadays, all that the young gays have is molly, which makes your body move like a praying mantis whose brain has been devoured by a fungus.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||09/05/2020|
Why are people posting professional dancers? I thought this thread was supposed to be about regular schmegular people.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||09/05/2020|
But I thought white suburban women love to dance like no one is watching?
|by Anonymous||reply 32||09/05/2020|
Now this is dancing, bitches. Wurk it!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 33||09/05/2020|
I blame Elaine Benes.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||09/05/2020|
I think it's a legit question, but not necessarily a racially segregated one. I'm not sure POC dance socially like they used to, either, at least here in NYC.
Some potential factors:
The obesity epidemic (yes, really), particularly among young people.
The scarcity of really good, fun dance music, at least known to the public.
The loss of venues (bars, small clubs) where social dancing took place without a cover charge or with a small one. In NYC, for example, cabaret laws were changed in the 90s/00s and many of these places closed or lost their cabaret license due to "community interests."
The overt sexualization of dancing in public, at least for young women. It's not a spontaneous act of joy or a response to music anymore. It's an ADVERTISEMENT, a sexual come-on, an invitation, a narcissistic boast of one's beauty and desirability posted on social media in order to SELL something.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||09/05/2020|
I think a lot has to do with the fact that even the most even mediocre gay club now has a velvet rope policy. Policed by an asshole bouncer making the decisions on who gets in immediately and who has to stand their like a fool waiting for the bouncer’s long awaited anointment to let the rest in. Plus most of today’s dance music sucks.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||09/05/2020|
This white boy can dance.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||09/05/2020|
Y’all are so out of touch. TikTok is filled with white people dancing
|by Anonymous||reply 38||09/05/2020|
Why are people posting professional dancers? I thought this thread was supposed to be about regular schmegular people.
The OP made no mention of regular schmegular people. The post was about white people and culture.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||09/05/2020|
And R38 doesn't quite comprehend "social dancing...."
It's pretty telling that the universally known/loved song in the video at R37 is from 1991... almost 30 years ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||09/05/2020|
The music sucks. What was the last great dance song that came out and became a worldwide smash and made everyone want to dance?
Clubs have turned into condos.
People don't want to go out anymore, and if they do, they sit and stare at their phones. Social media has killed so many things. People meet online now. No need to go to a club.
COVID. People don't want to go places where there are too many people. Afraid of germs.
And, as much as I love to dance, it can also be nerve-wracking. Go to a concert and people are sitting. That first person to get up has probably contemplated in their head for 10 minutes whether they should get up and dance. I think people are still timid and shy about dancing in public spaces.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||09/05/2020|
After the sexual revolution, you didn't have to do social dancing in order to touch other people's bodies.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||09/05/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 43||09/05/2020|
People are unskilled and too drunk for it.
I love dancing. I'm an amazing dancer, by all accounts.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||09/05/2020|
I guess the 1950s was the last great moment of pair dancing. It seemed to go downhill in the early 1960s, after the popularity of The Twist.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||09/05/2020|
[quote]The question is moot. Hardly anybody actually dance now. Most just randomly wiggle, others are simulating fucking standing up or in other positions.
It’s true. I think it’s because “music” today is hard to dance to because a lot of it isn’t music, just a bunch of computer generated sounds.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||09/05/2020|
R41 - you are so right. I went to see the Chainsmokers last fall and almost everyone was just watching and recording it with their phone. Hardly anyone standing or dancing or engaging with the concert. It hurt my soul.
There are tons of dancing videos on TikTok - which is why it is so weird. It's like no one wants to dance in public unless they do it at home and can post it.
Big dance places have been crushed by urban development. I remember when Guiliani cracked down on clubs - the dance scene in NYC practically collapsed overnight.
Most big gay dance places would get continuous noise complaints from the new condo owners next door. I can think of 5 different places (not in NYC) that had major issues with the 'new' neighbors - invariably living in brand new condos that were built next to these places.
If you don't like noise, don't move in next to a CLUB??? These developers bought the property cheap BECAUSE it was in a commercial area and next to clubs. Then they shut them down.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||09/05/2020|
My mother was in high school in the late 50s/early 60s. She said everyone knew how to do the Lindy. I think dancing started declining after the 80's. Maybe when rap and hiphop gained popularity, because you can't really dance to it.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||09/05/2020|
[quote]It's like no one wants to dance in public unless they do it at home and can post it.
We now live in a society where nothing is spontaneous anymore. People have to practice and rehearse EVERY thing they do because people are so obsessed with how others view them. Just look at these people who take 100 selfies of the same pose in a desperate attempt to find the “perfect” shot to put on Instagram. It’s sad everyone is so rigid these days.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||09/05/2020|
TikTok is teeming with white dancers
|by Anonymous||reply 50||09/05/2020|
The Caucasian Circassian boys are still dancing....mostly with each other looks like.
dancing starts at about 2'50" 1 female and about 40 men fighting it out on the dance floor at a wedding.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||09/05/2020|
Nowadays whites are prolly afraid to dance out of fear of sjws lashing out and accusing them of cultural appropriation.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||09/05/2020|
I was having a conversation with a friend just before lockdown hit over here and we were saying that when we were younger we spent virtually every Friday and Saturday night out dancing somewhere. It just doesn’t seem to happen now. Interesting thread, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||09/05/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 54||09/05/2020|
[quote] Why are people posting professional dancers? I thought this thread was supposed to be about regular schmegular people.
r37's cadet is a regular schmegular person.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||09/05/2020|
[quote] I went to see the Chainsmokers last fall
[quote] It hurt my soul.
Serves you right.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||09/05/2020|
Top 40 music these days is not supposed to make you dance. It's supposed to make douchebros and their weekend hookers raise their hands and holler "YOLO" in some shitty, tacky Russian/Albanian mafia owned club or soundtrack your Uber ride. Most of today's hits are either novelty songs or extended, annoying ringtones.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||09/05/2020|
Well, dudes can only move in a restricted manner. Otherwise, people will think they are effeminate or corny. Hip hop rules culture, so dancing has to be done within a masculine hip hop sensibility
|by Anonymous||reply 58||09/05/2020|
R58 even blacks aren't moving that well with Hip Hop everywhere. I miss the ole' Motown sounds that got the whole world a jumpin'
|by Anonymous||reply 59||09/05/2020|
Nobody wants to dance to Wet Ass Pussy and such. I remember dancing in clubs as recently as 2015. Music today sucks, it’s all pimps and hoes and pussies and nastiness. The fun is gone.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||09/05/2020|
R61, Plenty of young girls are dancing to WAP. Where r u? Most clubs are closed bit their dancing to it at house parties.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||09/05/2020|
Is this hip hop shit EVER going to die? I know it’s been around since the 80’s, but it was like as soon as 2000 hit, it just completely took over all other types of music and hasn’t stopped since.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||09/05/2020|
R61 firstly it’s they’re. Secondly my reference was to gay clubs, this being a gay forum and all.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||09/05/2020|
Staggering staying power isn't it R62. With BLM now don't expect any hasty departure of said genre.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||09/05/2020|
R62 agreed. It’s like nails on a chalkboard to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||09/05/2020|
Hip hop evolves
|by Anonymous||reply 66||09/05/2020|
Where do black people dance these days?
|by Anonymous||reply 67||09/05/2020|
On TikTok like everyone Else
|by Anonymous||reply 68||09/05/2020|
So white and black people are still dancing exactly the same then. OP's premise is flawed.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||09/05/2020|
Thanks for that video, R51! It reminds me of a wedding I went to in Turkey. I couldn't speak the language and didn't know the right way to dance in that situation, but I got up and did it anyway, haha! Watching that video too really reminds you of mating dances of birds, especially that second guy. Fascinating!
Oh god, R52, I can absolutely see some people arguing that. "Those moves have sacred meaning!", "Some people are BANNED from dancing in the workplace and now you are just doing it like that right out on the dancefloor!" etc. And then videos passed around with people like Roxane Gay commenting: "Ugh, so tired yt people doing this!" 😂
I love dancing, and wish it would come back. I was trained in dance as a kid in the 90s and even then it was considered weird for me to do by others.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||09/05/2020|
One more time, slowly, everyone....
Performative, solo dancing posted on social media...
Is NOT social dancing.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||09/05/2020|
Well that’s the dancing I like
|by Anonymous||reply 72||09/05/2020|
R51, where is that video from? It looked like a 12-step meeting for sexual predators.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||09/05/2020|
I watch so much TCM that I think about this quite a bit, OP, albeit through the lens of a different era.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||09/05/2020|
When disco died.
Disco died due to homophobia and racism and to this day, many straight folks, especially men, are taught that dancing is behavior of one or both of those communities.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||09/05/2020|
OP should be less concerned with white people are doing and more concerned about her own life. The obsession over whites never ends.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||09/05/2020|
Sorry. It's just that I haven't taken a shit for three months and I get a little touchy.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||09/05/2020|
R63, Fuck off you fkin cunt. You are so out of touch.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||09/05/2020|
When Lou Bega drops Mambo No. 6 white people will dance once more.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||09/05/2020|
When did your mom stop sucking off truckers? We all have questions.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||09/05/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 81||09/05/2020|
Uptown Funk was probably the last great dance song...sad.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||09/05/2020|
White people only have 2 moves
|by Anonymous||reply 83||09/05/2020|
When they began instead having sex with each other with drinks in one hand on the dancefloor in the 2000s?
|by Anonymous||reply 84||09/05/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 85||09/07/2020|
No more dance shows to learn moves from.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||09/07/2020|
The nightclub culture never recovered from the new licenses instituted in 2000. It was like watching a switch get flicked. I'm grateful that I had the brief post-college club experience in NYC that I did. It was gone in a little more than a year.
My favorite place was Centro Fly and my favorite memory is of myself dancing with two straight male friends and just having a blast trying to out-dance each other.
Not all straight guys back then thought dancing was weird or queer.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||09/07/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 88||09/11/2020|
Middle-aged and/or married straight white couples stopped dancing when dancing when "freestyle" in the late 60s. Straight guys were comfortable with dances that had defined steps they could learn. They could feel as though they were "doing it right." Being expected to let it all hang out or express themselves on the dance floor was not a comfortable experience. Straight single and/or young whites still danced when dating. In the 80s, more defined steps made a comeback. Straight guys could learn the Hustle or whatever.
I wonder if this affected the rise of country music, which has never stopped having defined dances. It even has line dancing, which I suspect a straight white guy might feel more comfortable with.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||09/11/2020|
Video equipped smartphones.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||09/11/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 91||09/18/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 92||10/05/2020|
Sam Rockwell's got some tasty moves.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||10/05/2020|
People don't want to be recorded by someone's phone and then go viral looking goofy for millions to see on repeat.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||10/05/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 95||10/17/2020|
Remember when going to the club and watching people dance, and dancing with them, determined whether or not they’d be good in bed if they danced well? Lol!
But there was a truth to that theory.
I love dancing and went in hard in club life when it was a popular thing. It was never about going to the club to get laid, it was always about going to the club to have fun and get those major endorphins one gets from hours of sweating on the dance floor with the music pounding though your body and everyone else feeling the same ecstasy that comes from dancing together and having a singular purpose, in doing so.
Clubs are no longer even around, and the ones that are, suck.
I went home with someone from a club ONCE. Some white boy who lived in his truck. He was very sweet and didn’t know how to dance, however, he knew how to live in his truck and get romantic after the club in the back of my apartment building, in a parking spot, and he was the sweetest guy ever, and i’ll never forget his genuine nervousness and awkward way of wanting to really know how to dance.
People need to get back on the dance floor. Dancing isn’t about sex. It’s about fellowship and communion.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||10/17/2020|
R96 - exactly. I picked up so many men that I wouldn’t even consider on Grindr - because they could dance. And vice versa. Dancing allowed you to show sex appeal. There is nothing sexier to me than a guy who can dance. Still true 25 years later.
I keep thinking dancing HAS to come back. How do people - especially young gay men - NOT dance?!? But almost 20 years now since dance clubs started dying. Possibly the saddest part of internet culture - to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||10/17/2020|
Why do you discount TikTok dancing? It’s how people today dance. Stop longing for a past will never return
|by Anonymous||reply 98||10/17/2020|
When Obama got elected.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||10/17/2020|
The majority of straight white people cannot dance. I was watching Sixteen Candles the other night (nostalgia) and the school dance scene was full of embarrassingly bad dancers. Seems most of them were just kind of jumping up and down.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||10/17/2020|
OP Did they ever really...?
|by Anonymous||reply 101||10/17/2020|
White people in Greece, Israel, Turkey, Eastern Europe, Russia, Georgia, Armenia & other places dance all the time at weddings & parties, OP. Are you existing in some hermetically sealed universe?
|by Anonymous||reply 102||10/17/2020|
R97, it really was the funnest thing ever. I miss it, and if there were a club to go dancing to right now nearby, I’d be there.
The one culture in America that still dances and may have clubs, is the Latin culture. There was this one club in Hollywood that I went to all the time, and they had salsa, merengue, cumbia. That was always fun as well and everyone there knew how to get down.
La Floridita, on Fountain. Everyone calls it La Floridita, though it’s really El Floridita.
If anyone here is in LA and wants to have fun and learn how to dance to Latin music, this is the spot. Great food, too.
Man, I wish I were in LA right now. I’d tell all of you to meet me there and shake your money makers with me, cuz one thing I know how to do well is dance my ass off.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||10/17/2020|
Here’s a video. This place seas THE spot and I’m sure it’s still hoppin’
Plenty of gays go there with their hags, by the way, so no reason to be shy of any of you wanna show up and boogie. Gorgeous Latin men and YES, they dance with each other. No one bats an eye.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||10/17/2020|
Oooh! I found Mike’s birthday footage. Here he is with all of his Latin hags.
Latin girls are very sweet and they love their gays
Boys, if you are in Los Angeles, hit this place up and get on the dance floor. I promise you that you’re gonna have a blast. Trust me. 😘
|by Anonymous||reply 105||10/17/2020|
White people dance. All people dance. I can’t speak to GenZ/Zoomers and what they might do at a Prom or whatever, but dancing hasn’t gone anywhere.
Do you mean trained dancing? People who know STEPS? The difference between a waltz or a polka? Even a basic box step? Sure.
But white people dance all the time. White people dance more varied and to a wider range of music than black folks do.
And there are still plenty of gay clubs with dance floors. The fun clubs are the Latin ones though because reggaeton is way better than the top 49 nowadays.
Give me back the 90s greats anytime though.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||10/17/2020|
This is how we dance today.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||10/17/2020|
R107 - They're auditioning for Twyla Tharp
|by Anonymous||reply 108||10/17/2020|
Where are all these dance clubs you speak of? Other than El Floridita in LA. In NYC, 90% of dance clubs closed. Before Covid.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||10/17/2020|
Millions of people dance at home in privacy
|by Anonymous||reply 110||10/17/2020|
Plenty white people dances! I dance!
|by Anonymous||reply 111||Last Tuesday at 5:45 PM|
^What the hell is going on there?
|by Anonymous||reply 112||Last Tuesday at 5:48 PM|
Maybe you just haven’t been hanging out in the right places, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||Last Tuesday at 6:01 PM|
No one can resist the seductive moves of this QAnon honey trap. No one.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||Last Tuesday at 6:26 PM|
You can definitely find white people dancing at:
Office holiday parties
|by Anonymous||reply 115||Last Tuesday at 6:41 PM|