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Kamala Harris calls Pete Buttigieg "naive" for comparing black, LGBTQ struggles

"ATLANTA — At a breakfast Thursday morning for black women activists in Atlanta, Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., called South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg "naive" for comparing the struggles of black Americans to those in the LGBTQ community during the Democratic primary debate Wednesday night.

“What he did on the stage, it's just not productive,” Harris said to the room of about 200 mostly black women, after explaining that “those of us who've been involved in civil rights for a long time, we know that it is important that we not compare struggles.”

NBC News asked Buttigieg to respond to Harris calling him “naïve” for drawing parallels between being black and being gay. Buttigieg replied that he was not trying to parallel the two experiences

There’s no equating those two experiences. And some people, by the way, live at the intersection of those two experiences," Buttigieg said. "Last night I shared some of my sources for motivation, includes my personal experience, my governing experience and my personal faith.”

The back-and-forth began because of a debate question directed at Harris regarding a stock photo of a Kenyan woman the Buttigieg campaign used while promoting the mayor's Douglass Plan — Buttigieg has since apologized for its use. The plan is aimed at empowering black communities.

During the debate, Harris answered the question by saying some in the Democratic Party have taken the black community’s vote for granted which Buttigieg agreed with. The mayor went on to say that while he has not experienced racial discrimination, he knows the feeling of being an outsider because of his sexuality.

“While I do not have the experience of ever having been discriminated against because of the color of my skin, I do have the experience of sometimes feeling like a stranger in my own country,” Buttigieg said.

In an interview Wednesday night, Harris called comparing the struggles of marginalized groups “misguided."

“So we’re going to now say that my pain is worse than your pain? We had 400 years of slavery in this country. We had years of lynching," Harris said. "We also have our LGBTQ brothers and sisters who still, under the law, do not have full equality. These are all injustices, but to start comparing one group’s pain to the other is misguided."

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by Dis bitchreply 10010/17/2020

Not voting for her!

by Dis bitchreply 108/14/2020

R1

Troll.

by Dis bitchreply 208/14/2020

R2' Fuck you.

by Dis bitchreply 308/14/2020

We don’t like fags no how, anyways. They keep stealing our good mens and giving em tha AIDS.

by Dis bitchreply 408/14/2020

Now the trolls are using this to say she’s homophobic when she’s anything but.

Don’t fall for the trap.

by Dis bitchreply 508/14/2020

[quote] What he did on the stage, it's just not productive

Kamala please tell me how this is productive?

by Dis bitchreply 608/14/2020

She and Biden are made for each other. Both are homophobes.

by Dis bitchreply 708/14/2020

OP = Troll

R1 = Troll and asshole

by Dis bitchreply 808/14/2020

These trolls are trying to influence the election and make you white gays not vote Dem. Don’t fall for it

by Dis bitchreply 908/14/2020

Kamala is ok but she is a 20 th century neoliberal. She got to where she is because of identity politics. Of course it's to her interest to keep previous progressive allies in their different and separate corners.

What Pete is saying is more for building a unity of interests based on shared struggles. The time of his generation will come because Kamala and her ilk will not be able to deal with the working and lower middle class deplorables they fostered in the first place.

by Dis bitchreply 1008/14/2020

R8' Aren't you goning to call me racist and sexist too?

by Dis bitchreply 1108/14/2020

R1 that's fine, just vote for Biden. Otherwise, you're voting for Trump.

by Dis bitchreply 1208/14/2020

OH! Of course OP and R1 and others of this dead thread are all the same troll.

Nice try, Boris Tucker. Now eat shit and go the way of Trump's waist and Russian democracy.

As in:

Kamala Harris calls Pete Buttigieg "naive" for comparing black, LGBTQ struggles "ATLANTA — At a breakfast Thursday morning for black women activists in Atlanta, Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., called South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg "naive" for comparing the struggles of black Americans to those in the LGBTQ community during the Democratic primary debate Wednesday night.

“What he did on the stage, it's just not productive,” Harris said to the room of about 200 mostly black women, after explaining that “those of us who've been involved in civil rights for a long time, we know that it is important that we not compare struggles.”

NBC News asked Buttigieg to respond to Harris calling him “naïve” for drawing parallels between being black and being gay. Buttigieg replied that he was not trying to parallel the two experiences

There’s no equating those two experiences. And some people, by the way, live at the intersection of those two experiences," Buttigieg said. "Last night I shared some of my sources for motivation, includes my personal experience, my governing experience and my personal faith.”

The back-and-forth began because of a debate question directed at Harris regarding a stock photo of a Kenyan woman the Buttigieg campaign used while promoting the mayor's Douglass Plan — Buttigieg has since apologized for its use. The plan is aimed at empowering black communities.

During the debate, Harris answered the question by saying some in the Democratic Party have taken the black community’s vote for granted which Buttigieg agreed with. The mayor went on to say that while he has not experienced racial discrimination, he knows the feeling of being an outsider because of his sexuality.

“While I do not have the experience of ever having been discriminated against because of the color of my skin, I do have the experience of sometimes feeling like a stranger in my own country,” Buttigieg said.

In an interview Wednesday night, Harris called comparing the struggles of marginalized groups “misguided."

“So we’re going to now say that my pain is worse [more]

Kamala Harris calls Pete Buttigieg "naive" for comparing black, LGBTQ struggles Not voting for her!

Kamala Harris calls Pete Buttigieg "naive" for comparing black, LGBTQ struggles R2' Fuck you.

Kamala Harris calls Pete Buttigieg "naive" for comparing black, LGBTQ struggles She and Biden are made for each other. Both are homophobes.

by Dis bitchreply 1308/14/2020

R12, i'm not voting for Biden as long as she's on the ticket. No ma'am.

by Dis bitchreply 1408/14/2020

She’s not Trump and Pence. That’s enough to me.

by Dis bitchreply 1508/14/2020

FF OP

by Dis bitchreply 1608/14/2020

Ban OP from DL

by Dis bitchreply 1708/14/2020

R11 also is the OP.

Enough of this crap. It's a racist, homophobic gay creature who posts how everyone loves Dolly Parton but then drops this turd.

K*ll it with fire, troll.

by Dis bitchreply 1808/14/2020

R17, Ban me for posting what she said? You guys are no different from Trump cultists.

by Dis bitchreply 1908/14/2020

The US deserve the leader it gets.

by Dis bitchreply 2008/14/2020

And so it begins. Throw the gay community under the bus. I'll still vote for Biden, but I'm sick of this. And "banning OP' doesn't make the issue go away.

by Dis bitchreply 2108/14/2020

R18, Ive never posted anything about Dolly Parton.

by Dis bitchreply 2208/14/2020

The Democratic debates were over many months ago. A rehashed old article.

Troll thread.

by Dis bitchreply 2308/14/2020

Every country gets the leadership it deserves.

by Dis bitchreply 2408/14/2020

Still voting for her but this is more of her tin ear for politics. Idiotic for her to go near it. She’s damn lucky Trump is that bad if she’s going to keep putting her foot in it. But it’s not really the best thing for a long-term presidential campaign, when people voted for you the first time because they had to.

by Dis bitchreply 2508/14/2020

R23, A lot of things are getting rehashed since she's now the VP pick. Whats your problem?

by Dis bitchreply 2608/14/2020

R19, we are voting Biden-Harris, donating money to them, and gonna make sure our friends and family do the same. Anyone who is not with our goal is our enemy. You are not welcome here or amongst the LGBT community. Begone!

by Dis bitchreply 2708/14/2020

Kamalas media sycophants were extremely homophobic. Zerlina Maxwell, Joy Reid, Jason Johnson, etc. I hate to see them winning.

by Dis bitchreply 2808/14/2020

*Joy Reid likes this*

by Dis bitchreply 2908/14/2020

R27, You're complete dumbass- lgbt people are votes to them and nothing else.

by Dis bitchreply 3008/14/2020

R10: She got to where she is by fucking her way to the top.

by Dis bitchreply 3108/14/2020

I never liked Kamala. She is a snake. She is only out for herself and the blacks. Can you imagine if Pete has said he is only going to help LGBTQ people get homes?? She might be a better option than the orange ass wipe, but that doesn’t make her a good choice.

by Dis bitchreply 3208/14/2020

R28

Fuck off troll.

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by Dis bitchreply 3308/14/2020

Well since she’s not perfect, let’s just have Trump win! 🤡

by Dis bitchreply 3408/14/2020

This is from November 2019. The world was different. If she says it again, let's discuss it then.

by Dis bitchreply 3508/14/2020

Rightwing trolldar on this thread. Easy to FF and ban them en masse!

by Dis bitchreply 3608/14/2020

Buttigieg endorsed Harris for VP. Biden even consulted with Buttigeig before naming Harris as VP choice. Harris & Buttigieg aren't having a fuss about anything. The fight is with Trump-Pence, not Buttigieg.

by Dis bitchreply 3708/14/2020

Its lowdown for Kamala to use the gay issue to try to clown Buttigieg. Defenitely not voting for her.

by Dis bitchreply 3808/14/2020

This is from November 2019. The world was different. If she says it again, then discuss it.

by Dis bitchreply 3908/14/2020

OP is named Lyudmila and likes her borscht ice cold!

by Dis bitchreply 4008/14/2020

He had to compare them because that was the basis of angry denunciations of him by South Bend civil rights leaders. She's just twitmayer judging someone she doesn't know and sounding pretty stupid in the bargain. In that respect, she's a good fit for Biden. They are both mediocrities.

by Dis bitchreply 4108/14/2020

Sorry. She's got my vote.

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by Dis bitchreply 4208/14/2020

Did anyone see Buttigieg on Real Time tonight?

by Dis bitchreply 4308/14/2020

This is from November 2019. The world was different. If she says it again, then discuss it.

by Dis bitchreply 4408/14/2020

We see you OP.

by Dis bitchreply 4508/14/2020

Theres more anger at me for peosting what she said than at Kamala for actually saying it.

You guys arent cultists at all.

by Dis bitchreply 4608/14/2020

Kamala always wants to sound so smart...until you realize she isn't. Still better than Trump by far.

by Dis bitchreply 4708/14/2020

Here's real news for you, Boris. A good troll is up-to-date on Caitlyn and the Kardashians.

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by Dis bitchreply 4808/14/2020

R48, Hon you're the one who's real impressed with Kamala Fuckin' Harris. The kardasians are right up up our alley

by Dis bitchreply 4908/14/2020

R46

Go to sleep!

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by Dis bitchreply 5008/14/2020

10 bucks days r48 thinks Cardi B's WAP is a an impressive work of art celebrating blacks womens' sexualities.

by Dis bitchreply 5108/14/2020

OP is vile

by Dis bitchreply 5208/14/2020

R49 R51

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by Dis bitchreply 5308/14/2020

R52, Am J vile for posting hat she said or is she vile for saying it or is Joe Biden vile for picking someone whose said what she said?

by Dis bitchreply 5408/14/2020

yes, ff and i mean fist fuck all these trolls.

by Dis bitchreply 5508/14/2020

Exactly. We are not going to alllow them To thrive on an LGBT forum. Come here and get outted and clowned.

by Dis bitchreply 5608/14/2020

R55, Stop right there. Not everyone who doesnt like Harris or Biden are trolls or like Trump. Some people see all career politicians as corrupt or are progressives. They are entitles to their opinions and to voice them.

by Dis bitchreply 5708/14/2020

Your immature, Peter Pan mindset at a time such as this is just as dangerous as being a Trumper. The fact that you don’t seeing beating Trump and his followers as the most important goal of our time speaks volumes about you, and how you are not one who shares our best interest.

by Dis bitchreply 5808/14/2020

This was when they were running against each other. Bygones.

by Dis bitchreply 5908/14/2020

R58, Nah. It doesnt matter ir Biden or Trump is in office. Nothing ever changes. Both are corrupt and evil and only exist to serve the rich.

Thats why good candidates like Bernie got shafted by the dnc.

by Dis bitchreply 6008/14/2020

Kamala is A drunk. Her poor husband

by Dis bitchreply 6108/14/2020

Bernie isn’t a democrat R60. Why wouldn’t the DNC protect the Democratic Party from someone who isn’t a member of the party?

by Dis bitchreply 6208/14/2020

R62, thats true you have to be a soulless corporate asshole who is beholen to billionaires to be a good democrat

by Dis bitchreply 6308/14/2020

The future of the Democratic Party is Kamala Harris. The Republican Party is in a tailspin, really. It's a mess.

by Dis bitchreply 6408/14/2020

That was MONTHS ago during the debates. They all say shit to each other during debates - your even saw Biden and Harris do it to each other.

by Dis bitchreply 6508/14/2020

FUCK her. And I do mean FUCK her. She drilled her worn out puss to get to where she is. Buttigiege worked his ass off, served the country and is still treated like the town faggot.

Fuck this high yellow, fake Afro-proud bitch. And fuck her being Vice President! Now come for me cunts. I don’t care.

by Dis bitchreply 6608/14/2020

this web forum will run riot with trolls

by Dis bitchreply 6708/14/2020

Just FF and BLOCK these fucking trolls. God am I sick of them. FUCK OFF TROLLS!!!!

by Dis bitchreply 6808/14/2020

Black women will vote in huge turnout numbers! Indian Americans and Asians in general will turnout in great numbers to vote in Biden due to her being on the ticket. Republicans wanna play the margins? Biden blocked the fucker

by Dis bitchreply 6908/14/2020

This was thoroughly discussed last year, when it happened. It was disingenuous, yes, as Pete was very careful to state that he was NOT comparing the two, but she was hardly the only one to state this, and some were far more nasty about it.

In primary season the candidates deliberately paint what their opponents say in the worst light. It happens every time. Kamala isn't talking about Pete now, and really has no reason to, at least until such time as an administration position for him is announced.

This is a feeble attempt at a purity test, and an attempt to push people away from voting for Biden/Harris.

by Dis bitchreply 7008/14/2020

Not voting for this bitch! Hate the homophobia that she and her supporters partake in and represent.

Not to mention the guy shes running with has one of the most anti gay records in congressional history.

by Dis bitchreply 7108/14/2020

Hideous, fat Division Troll and her ugly, cunty mom are trying too hard these days.

Well, then I say FUCK THEM. And hope they gag and die soon.

by Dis bitchreply 7208/14/2020

Pete needs to get a job and prove he has helped solve real issues. Saving an old automobile warehouse is not enough. South Bend is a fuckin mess.

by Dis bitchreply 7308/14/2020

R73, He should lock up more blacks and send parents to jail for their kids truancy.

by Dis bitchreply 7408/14/2020

Not to mention that Kamala Harris is one of the biggest proponents of the gay community and has been for at least over a decade. She is likely a bigger fan of Mayor Pete than most of the other primary candidates (and a FAR bigger fan than any GOP scumbags). So again - FF, BLOCK and FUCK OFF OP troll.

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by Dis bitchreply 7508/14/2020

Thanks, OP. After becoming aware of this, I've decided to not vote this year. It's not like Trump will appoint judges/justices with life tenure that will vote on gay rights.. I just don't see the point anymore.

by Dis bitchreply 7608/14/2020

I love Kamala!

by Dis bitchreply 7708/14/2020

It really is insensitive for a heterosexual woman to police what a gay man can say and what kind of analogies we can draw regarding our own history.

by Dis bitchreply 7808/14/2020

I don’t care.

by Dis bitchreply 7908/14/2020

Then you're a homophobe, OP.

by Dis bitchreply 8008/14/2020

R79, Then keep scrolling. This thread is for folks that dont like politicians using homophobia for political gain.

by Dis bitchreply 8108/14/2020

Pete was way ahead of the curve on pot legalization.

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by Dis bitchreply 8208/14/2020

[quote]FUCK her. And I do mean FUCK her. She drilled her worn out puss to get to where she is.

Stop! No more mean comments about LadyG.

by Dis bitchreply 8308/15/2020

I don't get the gay men on here calling the OP a troll because he is upset that Kamala said something quite insensitive about the gay experience. Don't get me wrong, I am voting for Biden, I hate Trump and Pence and I object to calling her names or racism but I also object to a non-gay person somehow saying my struggle is not "as good" as her struggle. C'mon, a beautiful heterosexual, highly educated, light skinned woman from a privileged background cannot honestly sit there and say she knows the struggle of poorer African-Americans AND then come with some preachy comparison to mine.

by Dis bitchreply 8408/15/2020

R84, you are easily distracted dude

by Dis bitchreply 8508/15/2020

This has me so riled up I almost spilled Postum on my weekend caftan.

by Dis bitchreply 8608/15/2020

R84 - maybe I misunderstood but I just don't like people, and especially women with privilege, claiming to understand the gay experience. I love to read about and try my best to understand the African-American experience and I know I I can't because I am a gay white man. I want the same from my elected officials. And yes, I will be voting for her and Biden because a misstep is much less disgusting than what the religious right does. If I am not getting it, call me stupid, but don't claim to know my experience.

by Dis bitchreply 8708/15/2020

R7 Biden an homophobe? The same Biden that was in favour of gay marriage before Obama is an homophobe? good one

by Dis bitchreply 8808/15/2020

Precisely bro

by Dis bitchreply 8908/15/2020

R88, Yeah being a month ahead of Obama on gay marriage excuses decades of homophobia on his congressional record.

by Dis bitchreply 9008/15/2020

[quote]I don't get the gay men on here calling the OP a troll because he is upset that Kamala said something quite insensitive about the gay experience.

Pete's #1 supporter and black guy here. I'm not saying that my thinking is correct, but this is how I see it. White gay men have the cloak of whiteness to insulate them from a lot of shit. Now, our more flamboyant white compadres may not enjoy that benefit, but your average everyday white gay isn't experiencing discrimination on the same level as a visible minority.

Pete, whom I adore, can walk though life and never have to deal with certain aspects of being an other until he makes it known that he's an other. And I am not saying that the types of discrimination that all gays face isn't awful, but the type of discrimination that comes just from being a different color can be soul crushing.

by Dis bitchreply 9108/15/2020

If you’re gay and even considering thinking of voting for her and Biden, Don’t. They’re going to push for the transing of gay kids. Don’t fall for heir BS!

by Dis bitchreply 9208/15/2020

All discrimination in any form shares similarities in the reasons for the discrimination, the way in which it manifests itself, and how it impacts the targets of that discrimination.

For instance, discrimination against women is the same in all those aspects all over the world. It makes no difference if it is in a white, black, Asian or whatever dominated or majority society, culture or country.

Having said that there are also different aspects to discrimination and its effects depending on the form of discrimination.

Acknowledging similarities and differences should never be used as a weapon. Discussions of those similarities and differences should never be censored.

by Dis bitchreply 9308/15/2020

A 268-day article? You can do better then that, Vlad.

by Dis bitchreply 9408/15/2020

My cross is bigger than your cross!

by Dis bitchreply 9508/15/2020

[quote] If you’re gay and even considering thinking of voting for her and Biden, Don’t. They’re going to push for the transing of gay kids. Don’t fall for heir BS!

Not if the truth comes out. When sane people learn of what transing kids really does to them and the reasons why this has been kept hidden they usually wake up and oppose it. That's why you cannot speak too often or loudly enough about this very recent phenomenon of transing kids and trying to lower the age for sexually related decisions.

The UK is beginning to wake up and some action is being taken to reverse or stop it.

Hey, teachers, leave those kids alone!!

by Dis bitchreply 9608/15/2020

All the people who threws dirt on gays during the primary will win if Kamala and Biden win the elction I was going to vote for her and Joe until I started look online and this article as one of the first things i saw. All these people care about is trannys anyways' gays are just useful idiots for them.

I had forgotten how kamala's (and then Warren's) media sycophants threw the race card around to to destroy the first opnely gay candidate.

by Dis bitchreply 9708/15/2020

R91, I'm from the UK so don't really understand the situation in the US. From what you say it sounds like black people in the US are constantly discriminated against every single day and their lives are a huge struggle because of racism. Is this true or is it exaggeration?

by Dis bitchreply 9808/15/2020

[R96] I know you watched the Biden townhall. He reiterated his support for trans.

by Dis bitchreply 9910/17/2020

I'm around Pete's age and I used to think the same thing. I thought because both gays and blacks have known what it is like to be treated like absolute shit, that there was a sort of minorities club. While our experiences are very different, that they were also quite similar. I don't agree with Kamala's statements and I believe people like AOC and her squad feel similarly. I realized this when Prop * passed, voted in primarily by blacks. Jesse Jackson telling us we didn't do enough to educate the black community and churches. Fuck that. It's going to be all about minorities and POC. Fuck that "cloak of whiteness" that another poster referenced - that statement is a huge a problem for me. That cloak didn't save gay men from dying of AIDS in the 80's or get them the help that they needed. It didn't save kids like Matthew Shephard or the countless gay youth that have killed themselves in middle school due to extreme bullying or been kicked out of there homes with no places to go.

Pete was in the top 2 and was even leading to a point in the primaries, but was not even given a shot in SC because of the homophobia and black resistance. If Pete had told Kamala to stop playing the race card with he whole "that little girl was me trope", when she grew up more privileged than he, all hell would have broke loose.

To quote Kevin Hart but substituting black for gay: "I have nothing against black people, but I am not an ally." Also, every now and again, LGBT rights will get trotted out in talking points in Biden/Harris campaign when convenient like with the Barrett nomination, but this election is all about blacks and brown minorities. Actually the whole election is really centered around black people period. We had to have a black woman as VP, must get the black vote, mustn't discourage the looting and rioting. They get a pass. That doesn't benefit me in any way. LGBTQ is often not mentioned in the dialogue. We are simply just votes, but neither party gaf about gay men.

by Dis bitchreply 10010/17/2020
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