If Biden’s VP pick is Gretchen Whitmer

The media definitely want a black woman.

As for the "base"? Which base do you mean? There are a few different bases.

I think it would be a bad move if he does. This VP search has commanded so much attention and speculation that, if his choice turns out to be another white person, it's just going to invite more hand-wringing over endemic racism. People will say the bar is higher for black female politicians than it is for white ones, and I'd have to agree with them.

This is what I've been saying in another thread and they keep telling me that I'm wrong. Well, it looks like I'm right after all.

She won EVERY county in MI for Governor...I think she rocks...

I love the bait and swish of all of this. Whitmer takes a meeting and now everyone is saying she's the one. Nobody knows shit.

Maybe Whitmer could do black face and it would all blow over.

Everybody assumes he's considering Whitmer for VP now because she went to Delaware to see him. Word is that he is also interviewing prospects for his Cabinet. He wants to announce a few of his choices before the election so people will be assured of competency once he takes office.

So just relax folks. It's all good.

I’m black and I’m good with whomever Joe chooses. The black women in my family are also good with joe’s choice. There are sections of black media who are demanding Joe pick a black woman but they don’t speak for the majority of black people.

12% population, 99% representation now!!!

Whitmer in a Cabinet position is fine. Whitmer in the VP slot would be a betrayal and an unforced error. Why is the Biden team even floating this? It's destructive.

R6, We'll see what happens.

If we're not going to get Elizabeth Warren, then Whitmer is a good alternate.

As long as it's not Harris or Rice, then it's fine.

Just because the media and the overly vocal minority of the Democratic Party are demanding that the VP choice MUST be black, doesn't mean that Biden has to do it.

He doesn't owe them a goddamned thing, LEAST OF ALL THE MEDIA, who helped elect Donald Trump in 2016.

They are not floating it R10. It's just the media and everyone else speculating.

[quote]The media definitely want a black woman.

It is irrelevant what the media want. It's what the voters want.

Maxine Waters will be extremely displeased.

Or maybe he is doing her (and possibly others) the courtesy of telling her in person that she is not going to be the VP pick.

Biden: “Are you ready?”

Sounds like tomorrow.

What about this?

When does Biden announce the VP?

From Wednesday.

By the convention R19 - it has little to do with choosing a running mate and everything to do with build-up and polling. So far so good.

It doesn't matter who it is for VP.

There are no swing voters out there any longer. . No one is anxiously awaiting the VP announcement.

There are Trump voters. Then the rest of us.

It'll never happen. But will anyone other than me love it if he picks Lori Lightfoot?

Why, is she trans?

The only people objecting to Whitmer are Trump supporters. The Democrats will be fine. She should be a great running mate.

Whitmer would be an awesome thumb in the eye of (or thumb of the nose to) Trumpers.

Why would Trumpers find Whitmer any more irritating than any other VP pick?

R27, it's not about whether they're irritating to the cult: any woman selected is going to be irritating.

It's about what kind of fodder the person provides the cult, to exaggerate and fabricate lies around. Has Whitmer dabbled in Cuban socialism? Has she prosecuted innocent Black men? Did she misstate something to Congress during a hearing on a foreign incident? Did she excuse cop violence? Is she for "huge structural change" to the economy? Is she not religious? Is she in any part an ethnic minority?

Anything they can get a hold of to make into a source of revulsion and fear, they will.

All I see so far: she was a county prosecutor briefly, and her parents are wealthy (father was a health insurance CEO), and her virus restrictions were a little draconian to some (not to me)

[quote]Just because the media and the overly vocal minority of the Democratic Party are demanding that the VP choice MUST be black, doesn't mean that Biden has to do it.

That "vocal minority" single handedly saved him from having to drop out, so sorry, he does owe them.

Again, if you don't like this, why don't place the blame on Biden who opened his mouth up and started all of this? I love how the Biden fangurls want this to be everyone else's fault when he put this out there in the first place.

[quote]The only people objecting to Whitmer are Trump supporters.

Yeah, great pick, if this is the message already being trotted out in defense of her.

I think she would be a great VP pick. I kind of eliminated her as a possibility a few weeks ago but the Michigan lieutenant governor has been doing a lot of media interviews lately so who knows?

Whitmer has no baggage, really. I think she'd be the best we've chance we have to win this thing. Blacks won't ever be content with any VP choice. Biden served under the only black president we've had. If that doesn't pass the smell test with them ppl then I don't know what will.

Love her. I would be ecstatic if she gets it.

The bots are all over this thread.

She couldn't handle her own state over something simple as people wearing masks.

R33, it's called grace under pressure: she didn't overreact or give in.

Sounds like you're the bot, R33.

Could be that this isn't even Biden's choice. There are so many factions in the Democratic party that are cashing in their chips right now, cause they smell blood in the water, that they want their candidate of choice to be his running mate.

I think Biden screwed himself when he committed to choosing a woman as VP. Why not just say "I will choose the best possible person to be my running mate". He wouldn't have boxed himself in like he did, and he could have chosen Mayor Pete - got to look beyond 2020 at this point as I think, if things work out, the Dems could control the WH for 12 years at least if they play their cards right.

But even now, even knowing the game the Repugs are playing, the Dems can't get their shit together and are already bitching and rumours are flying about not supporting Joe if he chooses the "wrong" candidate, in their opinion.

The eyes should be on the prize - defeating Frump and his corrupt GOP. End of story.

So no matter who Joe chooses, vote blue up and down the ballot and wash away the stink that has made its way into the WH and government. Support the Biden/Harris-Rice-Warren-Whitmer-Demings-Duckworth-Baldwin ticket no matter what.

Officially about 5 million American deathfats are infected with the coronavirus, and all you deathfats still want to be perfectionistas?

Just gag and die and go pick anyone you want in hell. I will just vote for Uncle Joe with any vp he chooses!! I don't fucking care anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Turn off the noise! The assholes in the media, goaded by Republicans and "others" are trollling. They want controversy. They a re working to suppress turn out among key demographics. If Biden chooses a woman of color for VP, these fuckers will be writing articles about how he is alienating the Whtie vote.

Fuck this! DO NOT BE DISTRACTED. Focus on the state elections. Focus on making sure we have ballot security. Fight voter suppression. Raise hell about Election Security, and camp out at the Secretaries of state offices to demand the elections are fair. Demand that we have observers when they count votes. Do not let them bar access to legitimate Poll Watchers. Election Security is the main issue. And work hard on turnout. Everything else is bullshit.

He should chose a hot Asian chick as the VP. If anything can get white men mobilised, it is a hot Asian chick

Because, r27, Trumpers with guns on her Capitol's steps threatened to behead her over her Covid restrictions.

R36 is 100% correct. Eyes on the Prize!! Vote Blue No Matter Who!

BLUE VOTES MATTER!

It has to be someone Joe feels comfortable with and who is capable of stepping into the top job. I don't have any view one way or the other of this woman but would be behind the ticket if she is his choice.

If all of them were running for the 2024 nomination right now, I think it's between her and Duckworth. Ignore middle America at your peril.

I hope he doesn't pick her, I want her to stay right here in Michigan where she's been doing a fantastic job.

[quote] I think it's between her and Duckworth

Rofl!

You are fucking delusional.

There will never be an ORIENTAL at the head of the US government.

NEVER!!

I don't care who he picks - I just want the pick to bring some electoral votes and have trump lose what's left of his fragile, fragmented mind.

[quote] I think it's between her and Duckworth

By all means, let's let china take over our government.

Play with the electoral map.

Look. IMO this is a feint. Biden and Jennifer Granholm, the former governor of Michigan, are very close friends. Look for Granholm to get an ambassadorship or some other job from Biden. Wouldn't surprise me at all. Granholm is Canadian by birth. Whitmer is also a close friend of Granholm's. So it is not out of the ordinary for Graholm to hook up Whitmer for facetime and more. It will benefit Michigan greatly to have Biden's attention. He needs those votes . Michigan will go Blue for sure. So, either Whitmer will stay governor, and benefit from the generosity of a grateful President, or she will get a cabinet position. But IMO she is not being chosen for the VP spot.

MI WI and PA are the three that would win it for Dems vs. 2016.

She couldn't handle her own state over something simple as people wearing masks.

Possibly, though you could also say she held firm while Mike DeWine in Ohio caved, knowing that the freaks with assault rifles (in greater numbers than before) would be on his doorstep next.

Whatever is going on --- and something is going on at this point, something must have throw everything back up in the air --- I am confident part of the delay is collecting data on Plan B.

They are not just going to go with their gut. So if there are risks - like a black base revolt - they will know it and will have made a calculation that the pick correspondingly makes up for the loss in other quarters.

I bet this went wrong two weeks ago and they're having trouble with the field data or it's taking longer to figure out the way forward based on the field data.

[quote]There are no swing voters out there any longer. . No one is anxiously awaiting the VP announcement.

People are anxiously awaiting it since Joe will be the oldest President in the history of the United States. Also everyone fully expects the person to run after his single term.

[quote]Whitmer in a Cabinet position is fine. Whitmer in the VP slot would be a betrayal and an unforced error. Why is the Biden team even floating this? It's destructive.

My fear is that he'll pick someone who was never in contention (or rather we were lead to believe was) at all and THAT will cause a bit of outrage for a while.

If it's a black person the right will instantly go on attack but otherwise people would be fine.

If he chose Warren people would be upset but at least the rational is she's been out there working with him and stuck in the contest longer than anyone else. So that wouldn't last long. She already has an audience that likes her. The Bernie Bros would scream but they would anyway.

If it was another white person that wasn't Warren many more people would be furious.

However, everyone would get over it in a month no matter who he chooses unless they have a shitty record.

A black VP is playing into the race identity politics criticisms....I hope he doesn't go there.

[quote]I don't care who he picks - I just want the pick to bring some electoral votes...

You're contradicting yourself, auntie. DON'T CARE and then WANT....

There is a problem as I see it. I don't think Jill Biden is a fan of Kamala. I think Chris Dodd, and that old guard, who have been close friends of Joe's for 40 years, were speaking for her, as much as for themselves when they said they were still upset at her for going after Joe. Jill Biden will influence his choice. Now, she would feel comfortable with Bass. But no one knows Bass and the average person is not going to engage. The fact is Susan Rice meets everyone's comfort level. Jill knows Susan. She's familiar with her. So factor that in.

Biden picks a black woman for his VP and Trump dumps Pence and picks a white woman for his VP to gin up his racist supporters.

[quote]There is a problem as I see it. I don't think Jill Biden is a fan of Kamala

If she's the best person, you'd gotta suck it up and deal with it. Obama let Biden's digs slide. That's what they do. It's not about your feelings. It's about what's best for the country.

[quote] If she's the best person, you'd gotta suck it up and deal with it

Considering that Kamala Harris is NOT the best person, I'd say there isn't a problem.

Well, to a majority of the democrats she is.

'Black backlash'- are you kidding? They have two choices: a sociopathic racist, or Obama's Vice President (oh and Krazye West).

[quote] Well, to a majority of the democrats she is.

Link, please.

Don't worry, I'm not actually expecting one. I know that it's just bullshit any way.

Is anyone here living in MI? If so, what kind of Gov is she?

Here you go

Joy Reid just now about Whitmer: "It's like they're just trying to find anybody else so they don't have to pick one of the Black women."

Um yeah, I wonder why that is Joy? It couldn't be because most of America finds these Black women to be problematic.

[quote] Joy Reid just now about Whitmer: "It's like they're just trying to find anybody else so they don't have to pick one of the Black women."

With an attitude like hers, it's no surprise that Joe wouldn't want some big-mouthed bossy bitch trying to act like SHE was the President.

Sorry!

Van Jones and others issued an open letter saying if he doesn't choose a black woman he will lose the election.

zzzzzz

I'd love for all these people to SHUT THE FUCK UP! Because if he does choose a Black woman and he loses, then this will all be for naught and they'll have no one to blame but themselves.

Biden needs to choose the BEST CANDIDATE. Period. End of story.

And I wish Joy Reid would just go away. Why did MSNBC give her the 7pm slot???

So Biden chooses a Black Woman... all of the haters better accept it, applaud the choice, go out of their way to claim it was the best decision Biden has ever made politically and that there is no one better, and turn out in droves like they did in '08 and '12 and vote Biden in as President.

This is Joe Biden's own fault for choosing to play Identity Politics. He should have just said that he'll pick the best person for the job, rather than making an Affirmative Action appointment.

[quote] all of the haters better accept it, applaud the choice, go out of their way to claim it was the best decision Biden has ever made politically and that there is no one better

Umm.... but that wouldn't be the truth.

What a strange thing to write.

Oh, fuck off r70.

Your cult leader Trump embodies Affirmative Action for White, Wealthy, Ignorant, Males.

And, of course, his qualifications to be the POTUS were only too well known, right?

Asshole.

I don’t think van jones can speak on anything, he’s been proven a hack.

It’s doubtful Biden is going to pick a Governor. They need to be where they are. The problem is too many assholes are butting in. That fool that advocated against Harris for Bass who turned up as a commie.

Then I think he was going all in with Rice and then her keystone involvement. He is just throwing names out to see how people react.

In the end it’s got to be Kamala. Who gives a shit if she is planning 2024 run in the background as long as she gets her job as vp done.

She's awesome - but sadly she can't be VP this time around.

I love Joy, but I do get annoyed when she lets her inner Khive out. It's important that Joe pick the one that he's comfortable with. Joy doesn't know what came out in the vetting. Joy doesn't know how long it takes to prepare the VP candidate for this new role. You have to update the logo and get the merch in place. There is a ton stuff that has to happen after the decision is made and Joy knows that. It will be interesting to see if her enthusiasm extends to another black candidate if it isn't Kamala.

Block R70 and your entire DL experience becomes better.

[quote]Who gives a shit if she is planning 2024 run in the background as long as she gets her job as vp done.

But that seems to be the dilemma. Will she do anything other than plan her 2024 run?

Harris is going to be so easy for Trump and the Republicans to take down. She couldn't even defend her record against Tulsi Gabbard's attacks.

And if he picks a black woman and loses they will blame the black woman and say America wasn't ready for a black female VP.

R67: Yes, PDiddy was also on this. I always get my political advice from PuffDaddy

He should wait and announce the VP during the convention. It would cause tremendous excitement and get everyone to actually watch the convention. Otherwise, nobody will watch.

R77, yes she can. At least for 2 years and then it’s pretty easy to have a small group in 2023 and then 2024 you go all in.

Warren has been able to raise the most money for Biden than the other VP candidates.

Can you just imagine if Joe picks Tammy Baldwin the openly gay Senator from Minnesota? Joy Reid would be so mad that a WHITE LESBIAN was chosen over a black woman. Joy's head would explode and she would probably start up again with her homophobic hate mongering. MSNBC would have a lot of explaining to do.

This is what happens when you play to identity politics. Nobody is going to be happy. He should have just kept mouth shut and picked the best person and then hammered home the bread and butter issues that impact all Americans.

At this point, people are just over it already. Announce it and get it done with. People are going through so much as it is. No one is in the mood for these games.

And it would boost his campaign going into the convention also. Which is needed right now.

I said last week R86 that Biden needed to announce his pick immediately. As the say, under promise and over deliver. Right now he isn't looking for good because he missed his deadline of announcing his VP choice.

[quote] This is what happens when you play to identity politics. Nobody is going to be happy.

Thank you, R85! I've been saying this all along.

If Biden had kept his decision for himself and his team to decide, it would have worked out the best.

Despite the external pressure, he wouldn't be seen as disappointing anyone, because he wouldn't have made any promises to them.

Instead, everyone is trying to get their hand in the process, and it's turning out to be a cluster fuck!

And it's Biden's own damned fault!

*saying goes

*isn't looking very good

This is the most free publicity and excitement he could have expected to get. Probably all along knows who it is and is just letting the media go bananas

Every time I watched the View over the past few months all Sunny Hostin did was ask each and every guest if Biden should pick a Black woman. Even Whoopi was getting tired of her repeating this question ad nauseum. I hope Biden goes with the best person for HIM and not for the Sunny Hostins of the world. She really became super annoying about it.

I posted this on another thread... I think they are smart enough not to play coy in a way that pisses everybody off... the deep vet fucked up the plan and now they're trying to course correct. It's the only logical explanation.

R85

Bullshit. No one says this about Republicans who are all about identity politics.

We already have a pretty much full white party. Why do the Dems tone down their batting for POC? Dems NEED an energized black vote. It’s why Republicans always target and attempt to suppress black voters.

*have to

He’s selected his running mate. Announcement Wednesday or so. It’ll leak of course.

Biden most likely will have a Black AG and Black Supreme Court nominee, he will have done more than Obama if that is the case. He has the absolute right to choose someone he likes the best and not be hostage to anyone particular group of people. If Blacks want to punish Biden and not vote, lucky Trump. Classic cut off your nose to spite your face. Who will suffer the most?

But amid the national outcry over racism and police violence after the killing of George Floyd, Mr. Biden faced increasingly urgent calls this summer to select a Black woman.

For months, he and his campaign have heard from strategists and activists who have made the case for an African-American vice-presidential choice. Polling has shown that many voters give Mr. Biden broad political leeway to make his selection. But a number of party strategists have argued that selecting a Black running mate would energize voters, and reflect the central role Black women have played in the Democratic Party and in reviving Mr. Biden’s once-flailing candidacy during the primary.

“Black women have become excited about the possibility, and have a serious sense that the vice president’s success thus far would not have been possible without their investment, their confidence in him,” said Leah D. Daughtry, a veteran party strategist who has spoken with Mr. Biden and his team about selecting a Black vice-presidential candidate. “The majority of the finalists are African-American. The campaign would have a lot of work to do to explain to people why none of these women were picked. That’s going to be a tall order. A big book of business.”

Biden's first SC Justice nominee should be Merrick Garland.

Unfortunately voter suppression will be at an all-time high. Hope we can push through.

R93, WTF???? Republicans politics is so homogeneous that it is considered white supremacy.

I don’t like the pressure the media and others are putting on him to select a particular type: Black, progressive, etc. It’s kind of obnoxious.

He is 67 years old Della. We need someone younger that will have many years on the bench.

[quote]Biden needed to announce his pick immediately.

No he didn't. This is all because people are too fucking impatient and the 24 hour news cycle just pushes this shit and keeps people stirred up. There are lot of people on cable news paid millions of dollars to speculate. Maybe the solution is to turn off cable news for a few days.

I also want to add that those of you who keep going on about identity politics, aren't doing yourselves any favors. There is not a single black candidate for the VP slot that isn't qualified for it.

The USPS is newly crazy slow already. This plus limited polling places with bad equipment as in Georgia.

R101, i found the letter signed by 100 black men to be rather insulting.

This thread reeks of rancid Freeper/Russian/ Trump trash.

[quote]This is all because people are too fucking impatient

You're right. There's a million other things they could be doing.

Oh, wait......

Sit down, Della. I remember when you thought the death of 30 people on a boat was hysterical.

Della, it’s a bit early in the evening for that. Have you been drinking?

Yes he did R103. There is not a lot of enthusiasm for Biden. Announcing his VP pick early would have draw enthusiasm and they could be doubling down on campaigning.

No one was interested in Biden until Jim Clyburn called for people to support him.

100 black leaders and celebs urge him to chose a black woman.

Pick Val Demings and be done with it.

Oh, r108, so I offended your delicate sensibilities? Too fucking bad.

In case you haven't noticed, existence and death are a cosmic hoax; an existential, sick joke.

How else to explain that those 30 people are dead and Trump, a gelatinous, ignorant, stupid, dangerous, bigoted, asshole is alive and sits in the Oval Office as the US President?

Every day I tune into his press conferences hoping for, and not wanting to miss if it happens, Trump, on live TV, topple over dead from a massive myocardial infarction(that means heart attack) or massive stroke.

So yes, I find the absurdity "hysterical" and don't give a rat's ass how you feel about that, you pearl-clutching Trump ass-kissing fool.

Yep, she’s been drinking.

Again, sit your ass down, Della. Nobody cares what you think about who is posting what or who you think is trash.

R113

I don’t think it’s her because her name stopped coming up a lot.

Let alone the cosmic existential stuff. I think she cleaned her oven with the windows closed.

Ooooh.

Ok, r116.

I'll sit down.

*eyeroll*

AGAIN, r118.

^LOL

"Biden needs to choose the BEST CANDIDATE."

Male OR female...

He has already committed to choosing a female R122. Would not look good if he backed out of that commitment.

Well I just read from a trusted source...he chose Buttigieg.

84 days left.

Jesus. They’re already angry.

I really hope it’s Duckworth. I’m curious how Black pundits etc. would react.

We know how they’ll react to Whitmer.

How many white women vote Democratic in a Presidential year? How many black women vote Democratic in a Presidential year? If it's white women then Whitmer, if it's black women then it should be Bass, if it's a tie then it should be Harris

R126

How many times does that need to be posted? Geez.

Perry Bacon Jr. was playing victim today on the 538 podcast.

R34 Exactly, I never heard any stories of her throwing staplers at people.

There's something that feels part temper tantrum about this power play and part clear eyed or cynical opportunism. It's ugly. I support a black nominee for a lot of reasons and I support blacks in cabinet and as Supreme Court pick. But something about this power play strikes me as operators at work and I that part of the political system does as much harm as good, on a good day.

I hope it's a black woman. Any of them are up to the job.

But the threat of losing the election if he doesn't choose one has the effect of tainting the very thing they want. That's a shame for the nominee.

The article at R126 was kind of angering. Along the lines R132 is taking about.

r51 And DeWine has COVID and Whitmer does not.

If Charlamagne the God can influence Biden then I won't bother voting for him or anyone. I am done with the political process it is too corrupted by the extremes.

Charlamagne the God needs to understand the long game.

That bottom, eyelash queen Charlamagne can go to hell with all his bitch harpy attitude. It's gonna be Gretchen Whitmer. He can eat dirt and die, that trash.

R135

FF

Anyone who says they’re not voting in this election for whatever reason deserves eternal scorn.

It was said on one of the Sunday public affairs shows this week (I don't recall who said it) that Biden did a disservice to the eventual nominee by announcing he wanted a woman. They said the person will be tainted with a tag of tokenism as a result.

I think the woman choice was aspirational. It's fine to make the elevation of a woman a priority. Getting tangled up in the black woman thing has created a complication. They are all talented women, if is some are superior choices to others, and all could do the job to one degree or another. I argue that stupid letter did more harm than good. It creates a platform for doubt and racism: Biden caved to win. It was a stupid move. I'm surprised they don't have t-shirts ready to sell.

Most people don't follow politics so closely. Children, college ppl, husbands and wives. But when you tell them how this election will impact their pocket book then you get their attention. Trump has fucked us all up. That's the national narrative. Whomever the VP nominee is we should just roll with it.

"Biden did a disservice to the eventual nominee by announcing he wanted a woman"

UNLESS, she is so dynamic she surpasses the sex thang.

What are they gonna do? Vote for Trump? Watch that case count spiral to 20 million! That whole term will be spent trying to get anti maskers to change for several more years. That and the continued train wreck that is this administration!

White women in America are like 35% of the country. Sometimes I think their were a lot of white women that wanted a white woman president. Hillary was polarizing. horrendous for some, fabulous for others. But there's still gas in the tank to fire them up. Gov. Whitmer may a redeeming vote.

Trump can grab my pussy any time he wants!

He's a germaphobe, Dee. Better luck next loser.

Scottish teens think it’s Susan Rice now.

Tammy Baldwin is from Wisconsin not Minnesota upthread poster..she would be an excellent pick..I think it’s Whitmer, Warren or Baldwin and likely Baldwin or Whitmer

Van Jones eats dinner with the Kushners at their house in D.C! He's a fucking double agent. The fact is the Republicans are putting on this show to push Joe in public. That way if he does choose a Black woman, it looks like he caved in to pressure. Not a good look. If he doesn't they will agitate to roil up the base of the Democratic Party and try to divide with negativity. Van Jones is an asshole. Like he is in a position to threaten and coerce and publicly insist? WTF does he thin he is? YOu know Obama fired him? He had some project he was working on with Environmentalists and it dealt with Environmental racism and he was shady and duplicitous, and Biden knew it. Because some of the stuff he was doing was part of Biden's portfolio. So fuck a Van Jones. He has an agenda and it is not to help get Biden elected.

Around the world how many stories are written of Black women Presidents? None. Cleopatra was Greek. Bitch lightened her skin asap, like Beyonce

Yeah, I'm over Van Jones.

You know, even if Joe is just in this for one term, it doesn't mean that his VP is a lock for the nomination in 2024. Vote for the here and now, to get rid of Trump and get our country back. Worry about 2024 later.

Granholm could go in the cabinet.

I think that's a good point, R152. While this Veep could be called to step in to the role (which would be a game changer... though it didn't work for Selena Meyer ;) ... I don't think this Veep has a lock on 24 either... though a definite advantage. The 24 primaries could be a nightmare.

Of course we don't know how Van Jones will instruct us so I may be taking a position too soon.

He really backed himself into a corner with "woman only" and the suggestion (accurate or note) of "black woman only." Plus, he's waited so damn long. In the social media age, a big segment of voters will be turned off.

“I tried to be nice and inclusive, but you bitches just couldn’t behave. Vice President Gavin Newsom it is.“

That's the thing R155.

He said woman vp but didn't specify race.

He did specify race when he said he'd appoint a black woman to the Supreme Court.

The black woman VP thing came from Twitter, the media and that idiot Amy Klobuchar feeding off of both.

None of those evil broads are electable. They all have histories of screwing over their own Democratic voters.

The Democrat ticket is in danger. They haven't announced anyone yet because everybody is weak as fuck! HA!!

Biden/Streisand 2020

Gov. Whitmer can attract Midwesterners where this contest will be decided. She's not polarizing like Hillary. She speaks well and in even tones. She's not a politically tone-deaf bleeding coastal liberal who thinks abortion rights and gun control will win us the WH.

I can’t believe Susan Rice is even still in consideration. I love her and she’s incredibly smart but do you want three months of Benghazi and Hillary? I mean, how can they not know the baggage she brings and how she’s energize the deplorables.

Today is the day!

Yashar Ali:

Given what I've learned in the past couple hours from sources, I'm inclined to believe the VP leak could come tomorrow and would not be surprised if word leaked as soon as tomorrow AM to mid-day

A leak being different from a formal announcement which NYT says to expect midweek

^^He posted that last night so tomorrow is today!

It will be...Vairst Lady!

Liberals have gone too far left. Trump is already too left. The border needs to be militarized. Budgets balanced.

I agree. If Biden picks Gretchen a lot of people will be pissed off and may not vote. There's just something annoying about her, besides her oily skin.

[quote] -- NATASHA KORECKI, CHRIS CADELAGO and MARC CAPUTO emailed us this: “KAMALA HARRIS world is feeling good: There’s a lot of guessing games out there, but the buzz has intensified around Harris. … Several top Harris donors and close allies have been sending strong signals to reporters -- and some creative emojis -- that they believe she’ll be Biden’s pick. There was still buzz around SUSAN RICE, too, with whom Biden has a long working relationship and who has vast experience in the White House -- including having a hand in handling a pandemic.

Yuck.

R166 Budgets will NEVER be balanced ever again. Not with the way the world is now. Time for your ilk to drop that complete fantasy. its a tired old pardigm

This isn't even about all black women being considered. The Kamala camp are the ones pushing this narrative the hardest because they want Kamala in. When Bass was being considered a couple of weeks back, Kamala stans went after her on Twitter. This isn't about choosing a black woman, this is about choosing Kamala Harris.

Furthermore, this is being pushed by celebrities. You go on urban blogs and no one for the most part gives a shit. They'll vote for Biden regardless for whoever the nominee is. They have bigger issues to worry about. In fact, many are starting to feel insulted at what they feel like is just giving someone a position because of their skin color.

I will say this, Team Kamala took out Bass and Demings with a quickness. But she's been oddly hands off with Rice.

I hope Harris and her team implode. I hope everything about her gets exposed. Her past, etc. She's Cluster B with a fan club.

He shouldn't have said it'll be a woman. That way the media would be demanding a woman. By saying it's a woman, he laid down a baseline where the next step would be race.

Huge fuck-up.

[quote]”He better pick a black woman. If he picks Gretchen, he’ll lose Michigan,” said Virgie Rollins, chair of the Democratic National Committee Black Caucus, who hosted Biden at her home before his Michigan primary win this spring.

That’s like perhaps the dumbest thing I’ve read so far. Biden will lose Michigan if he puts the current 60s-plus approval-rated Governor of Michigan on the ticket? Okay, sure Jan.

[quote]”At the end of the day, if Joe Biden can’t get the white Midwestern vote, then we’re all up the creek,” she said. “The whole point of Black folks voting for him is he’s supposed to deliver the white people. If he can’t deliver the white Midwestern vote, like what the heck did we vote for you for?”

The whole point of Biden being the candidate is that he was supposed to deliver the Black vote. Most whites people didn’t want him. It sounds like Blacks are suddenly all not-too-impressed with Biden, even though they’re the ones who made him the nominee.

[quote]I don't think this Veep has a lock on 24 either... though a definite advantage. The 24 primaries could be a nightmare.

You can be sure that Ocasio-Cortez will be running in 2024, and ready to bash the Biden Administration and generally fuck things up.

More pressure.

Biden screwed up big time by letting the narrative be taken away from him. He should have announced his choice before the choirs got louder with people saying he needs to pick a black woman. Now they are making the choice for him.

[quote]The black woman VP thing came from Twitter, the media and that idiot Amy Klobuchar feeding off of both.

Don’t forget even-bigger-idiot Joy Reid.

Amy is just bitter that she wasn't going to be the choice and wanted to take Elizabeth Warren out of the running. Elizabeth Warren is the logical choice, but Biden is too weak now to choose her.

"I agree. If Biden picks Gretchen a lot of people will be pissed off and may not vote."

Isn't this true of every pick?

[quote]Elizabeth Warren is the logical choice, but Biden is too weak now to choose her.

Elizabeth seems to be doing a lot for him. I doubt she's doing that unless she's been promised a cabinet position at the least.

CNN: Biden's chosen the VP, has told top advisors. Announcement today or latest tomorrow.

CNN has Van Jones and a young black women borderline screaming for a black VP. Jesus.

I think it will be Rice. She is not on the DNC speech list whereas the others are. The VP speech slot remains unfilled.

Karine Jean-Pierre will be the chief of staff for the running mate. She's black. What's the likelihood they're both black?

The way Biden is rolling this out is just so fucking old fashioned.

Reading conservative twitter and they think Witmer is awful. Too many EO and closing press conferences and only picks questions she want. One person wrote “I’m afraid of the times we live in”

Get in line girl. Such a drama queen

It really does not matter much who it is, as there will be a huge swarm of disappointed people (trolls or otherwise) attacking the woman. Don’t fall into the trap and vote blue!

Susan Rice makes Tim Kaine look exciting.

Susan Rice has gravitas and quiet dignity. She is one of the easier candidates to imagine as President.

Susan Rice is a cabinet holder but she’s never had to run north campaign for office.

But she can run in many directions, so that might help.

I'm very excited!

No on Rice.

[quote]Susan Rice has gravitas and quiet dignity.

And a pile of oppo research against her higher than all the other candidates combined.

It’s gonna be Sarah Palin for the deplorable vote! 🤡

Susan Rice has never held elected office and has no constituency. It’s a mistake to even consider her. She’s pretty dour, too.

Just got the text! It’s Kamala Harris!

Start naming it, R196. You're full of shit. An idiot kid and a ten year old scandal that she was made fall guy for.

Thank God it’s not Rice.