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Tasteful Musicians of DL! Please critique the sound of this Carpenters song.

Written hy David Pomeranz and a hit for Barry Manilow, I just discovered Karen Carpenter’s working lead of “Trying to Get the Feeling Again.” I think it’s amazing.

I’d love for you to listen and give your thoughts.

One way or another.

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by Deb Harryreply 7609/17/2020

Nice arrangement. The verse is sort of strange, but the chorus is conveniently hummable. Karen carpenter was clearly the First fan of vocal fry.

by Deb Harryreply 107/31/2020

Sounds better than most pop hits now

by Deb Harryreply 207/31/2020

Very different than Manilow's version.

by Deb Harryreply 307/31/2020

I don't think it's a good fit for her lush lyrical voice at all.

The verse is written to be sung almost spoken and hearing it sung in her voice doesn't help it, plus she sounds a bit flat on a couple notes in the verse. This type of song is just not what Karen's voice did best, although this is an ok cover.

by Deb Harryreply 407/31/2020

Thanks for this: it's the first time I've heard it.

by Deb Harryreply 507/31/2020

Barry's was definitely more commercial; this was nice.

by Deb Harryreply 607/31/2020

Just about any song that The Carpenters covered was better than the original. This one is passable but not their greatest work. Anne Murray had a big hit with "I Just Fall In Love Again" and The Carpenters version of it was gorgeous, better than Anne's who did a good job.

by Deb Harryreply 707/31/2020

My God, she looked horrible here. Was this shortly before sh e died?

Manilow despite having a lusher, more commercial arrangement gives it more dimension. Karen sounds sad here and we know she was a trainwreck--it's poignant yet off putting.

by Deb Harryreply 807/31/2020

As a young gayling. The Carpenters were my FAVORITE singing group. I kinda think Richard made me tingle down there...i find Karen's life so sad...

by Deb Harryreply 907/31/2020

R7, I don't think their songs were covers. They usually did the song first, before the artist who had the hit (This Masquerade, I Just Fall In Love Again, Can't Smile Without You, etc) . They just didn't release those songs as singles, or as in the case of "Tryin To Get The Feeling", they had only done a working demo, but not a finished song.

by Deb Harryreply 1007/31/2020

As a gayling I loved her but now the nasal whine makes her unlistenable for me.

by Deb Harryreply 1107/31/2020

I don’t think this is the right thing, I’m not musical, but it sounds like she singing it in the wrong key for her voice. There’s a harshness here that’s doesn’t come through on her other lead vocals.

by Deb Harryreply 1207/31/2020

R12 I always wondered if Richard was gay. He seemed to be that way.

by Deb Harryreply 1307/31/2020

R13 I meant R9 As a young gayling myself it just seemed to me that Richard might be gay.

by Deb Harryreply 1407/31/2020

Recorded in 1975 and released by RC in 1994.

It’s such a different sound for her. Something does seem off, and I have weird mixed feelings about it that I wish I could describe in musical terms (key, tone, etc). Still, I think it’s great. Thanks for the comments — helps me sort it and break it down.

Lots of rumors Richie Rich was not straight. Alarming side note: He did married his first cousin and had like five kids. Covered in detail in many previous DL Carpenters threads.

Her incredible voice goes without saying. She was also considered an excellent drummer - she could play the more complicated time signatures, Buddy Rich style. Rolling Stone named her best drummer of 1975, FWIW.

Heartbreaking end. I think the excellent Todd Haynes barbie film gets to the heart of the matter., asking “Why? Why did this woman die?”

by Deb Harryreply 1507/31/2020

The Manilow version is superior

by Deb Harryreply 1607/31/2020

[quote]R9 I find Karen's life so sad...

A poor little rich (white) girl who couldn’t keep a sandwich down?

Give me a damn break.

by Deb Harryreply 1707/31/2020

I love her rendition of Leon Russell's "This Masquerade."

by Deb Harryreply 1808/01/2020

Karen’s voice was at its peak in the years they recorded “Now and Then” (1973) and “Horizon” (1975). I wish there had been more unreleased material during this period.

by Deb Harryreply 1908/01/2020

R17 Ain’t nobody rich growing up in Downey, CA.

by Deb Harryreply 2008/01/2020

Agree that this melody isn't suited for Carpenter.

My appreciation of Carpenter has increased over the decades. Even singing a "happy" song like "Top of the "World", Carpenter has me wondering when the other shoe will drop. To my ear her voice is never absent poignancy and sadness, and, oh, do I love it.

Otoh, the great Marilyn McCoo's sound, other than on her yet to be equaled interpretation of "One Less Bell to Answer" transports me for a few moments into pure bliss.

The 70s; what a decade for the best and worst of pop music.

by Deb Harryreply 2108/01/2020

Della, McCoo had amazing pipes and "One Less Bell" is a tour de force. Check out this live version.

Re OP's post I agree the verse melody is odd an nearly a-tonic. The chorus is ok, but shy of memorable. Not her best work. OTOH, I love her version of "I Can't Make Music".

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by Deb Harryreply 2208/01/2020

Oh fuck it, I'll post it.

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by Deb Harryreply 2308/01/2020

r22, wasn't she the only talented one in the "Fifth dimension"?

by Deb Harryreply 2408/01/2020

r22, Thank You for posting that.

Streisand's is the greatest pop voice I've ever heard, but even she doesn't, in her take of OLBTA, surpass McCoo's, as you so aptly put it, tour de force performance of it.

McCoo owns OLBTA.

by Deb Harryreply 2508/01/2020

Karen was at her best singing downbeat songs like this one.

by Deb Harryreply 2608/01/2020

Gorgeous, yes R22, but that ain’t LIVE, no way no how.

by Deb Harryreply 2708/01/2020

Passionless. Though if they changed the pronouns back to 'she' and 'her' it might work (wink).

by Deb Harryreply 2808/01/2020

That song was inherently nothing special to begin with. I never get tired of listening to her voice though.

by Deb Harryreply 2908/01/2020

Marilyn McCoo is very underrated, I love her voice. Love Karen's too of course, but in this song she does that corny accent, "made muh knees start to quiver," yuck. Also good point about the vocal fry, but at least she was original with it.

by Deb Harryreply 3008/01/2020

[Quote] Karen sounds sad here

When did she not sound sad?

by Deb Harryreply 3108/01/2020

she sounds like a karen after being told that she can't speak with the manager

by Deb Harryreply 3208/01/2020

Suicide queen Karen Carpenter could take any song and turn it into a funeral dirge. Love her!

by Deb Harryreply 3308/01/2020

I suspect that this Karen, sadly, lacked the "balls" to ask for the manager and that was part of her problem. having a castrating bitch for a mother didn't help.

by Deb Harryreply 3408/01/2020

[quote] When did she not sound sad?

For the last time 🙄! I wasn’t sad. I was pooped. POOPED!!!

by Deb Harryreply 3508/01/2020

🤠 Sounds like the country western version, with a touch of violin added as a lame attempt to class it up.

It's Criminal.... She murdered the lyrics and tortured my eardrums.

by Deb Harryreply 3608/01/2020

Nobody beats George Benson's version of [italic] This Masquerade.

by Deb Harryreply 3708/01/2020

Sounds like she was high on appetite suppressants.

by Deb Harryreply 3808/01/2020

R34 I suspect that this Karen, sadly, lacked the "balls" to ask for the manager and that was part of her problem. having a castrating bitch for a mother didn't help.

I agree. My partner was the director of an eating disorder hospital — across the board, anorexic females have at least one thing in common, and that is a controlling mother. Cue Agnes.

Karen Carpenter was the sound and became the superstar. Her jealous crybaby brother was known only as her piano player to many people by the late 70s. This really pissed her mother off.

I think she felt guilty about her immense talent and fame in that it totally eclipsed Richard. Staying in that family dynamic was a no-win for her. Asking for what she wanted - new management, production sound, etc., would have been like acts of betrayal. She was backed into a corner. Just a tsunami of factors going against her.

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by Deb Harryreply 3908/01/2020

That's such a misrepresentation. They were Carpenters, not "Karen Carpenter and her brother."

by Deb Harryreply 4008/01/2020

The tone of Karen’s voice here is “really? you expect me to sing this shit?” She sounds like she knows this song is beneath her.

The Manilow version always sounds like a closeted gay man, desperate for advice from his doctor. He should’ve run off with the doctor at the end of the song.

by Deb Harryreply 4108/01/2020

[Quote] The tone of Karen’s voice here is “really? you expect me to sing this shit?” She sounds like she knows this song is beneath her.

Then why did she record those songs for her solo album?

by Deb Harryreply 4208/01/2020

Poor Richard ...... He never ever quite "Got the Feeling."

Not even once.

by Deb Harryreply 4308/01/2020

R27 you're about the vid, esp the end. I think there's another one out there that is live fur reel, and she's still amazing.

by Deb Harryreply 4408/01/2020

R43: But I'm guessing he's got the royalties and hasn't had to really work in decades. He married his cousin, btw.

by Deb Harryreply 4508/01/2020

R40 It wasn’t my intent to misrepresent, but I can see how my comments came off that way. I am a Carpenters fan, and I think Richard is brilliant.

Books and documentaries have stated that, after they skyrocketed to fame, Richard felt his contributions as songwriter and arranger were starting to get overlooked, e.g., a reviewer of a concert once referred to him as The Carpenters’ piano player.

by Deb Harryreply 4608/01/2020

Agnes Carpenter was a fire-breathing cunt who openly favored Richard and was nothing but critical of Karen. Karen was never good enough. Then The Carpenters became famous and Karen got all the attention for her immense talent and vocal skills. Richard and Agnes were NOT happy about that. Cue Karen's anorexia.

The late Karen Ramone was the wife of producer Phil Ramone and a close friend of Karen's and she laid it all out in several interviews. She never held back about the fucked-up family dynamic.

by Deb Harryreply 4708/01/2020

Karen's anorexia didn't necessarily have just one trigger. Her figure was criticised in the press.

by Deb Harryreply 4808/01/2020

Were you alive when they were famous? Look at the camera time Richard gets here. Carpenters were sold as a duo (after a brief attempt at selling them as a band). Richard was not left in the dust.

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by Deb Harryreply 4908/01/2020

The tune required higher notes than Karen's regular key so she was back further from the mic. I can hear a physical "distance" in the recording. She's not as close, thus sounding more intimate, to the mic, as her more famous songs. She's a natural crooner.

by Deb Harryreply 5008/01/2020

"Tryin' To Get The Feeling" wasn't a complete Carpenters song. It was just a demo they were working on, but after Karen died , A&M started releasing anything they had in the vaults. The lyrics are very different from Manilow's version, but they were the original ones.

The Carpenters also did "Can't Smile Without You" (as an album cut) way before Barry, and much, much better.

by Deb Harryreply 5108/01/2020

I love their version of Ticket To Ride, it's better than the Beatles.

by Deb Harryreply 5208/01/2020

The part where Karen goes "(h)oh!" is pure cheese. And phony as fuck.

by Deb Harryreply 5308/01/2020

R47 is right on.

R49 that clip is from 1971 (and yes I was alive). It post-1974 or so when Richard was becoming almost invisible to the audiences. Nobody wanted his autograph by then — it was all Karen.

He was not happy. Trying to give him more attention on him, their managers suggested he take the stage first - Ladies and Gentleman, Mr. Richard Carpenter! He wore his Liberace outfit and conducted the band for a few minutes.

In addition, a very large mirror was placed above his keyboard so the audience could see his hands on the piano. When Ag would take her seat, she would tell her friends to focus on that mirror.

It was too much. So she died.

by Deb Harryreply 5408/01/2020

[Quote] It was too much. So she died.

You should script the biopic.

by Deb Harryreply 5508/01/2020

I think she did a lovely job on this song, it was just a work demo.

by Deb Harryreply 5608/01/2020

"I suspect that this Karen, sadly, lacked the "balls" to ask for the manager"

But she always asked for a 'barf bag'.

by Deb Harryreply 5708/01/2020

She is stunning.

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by Deb Harryreply 5908/01/2020

R59 That interview is pretty sad. Richard comes across as a dick and she’s so obviously trying to hide the truth.

by Deb Harryreply 6008/01/2020

[quote]Agnes Carpenter was a fire-breathing cunt


Thanks for the laugh to start my day!

by Deb Harryreply 6108/02/2020

Karen’s being a condescending, dismissive cunt in that interview (rolling her eyes, lying) when the journalist has real questions and concerns.

by Deb Harryreply 6208/02/2020

R62, it's hard to put up with stupid questions when you are just really really hungry.

by Deb Harryreply 6309/16/2020

Sounds like pure and total shit.

I'm surprised at how bad it is

She's usually a much better and more expressive singer than Manilow, who I mostly can't stand, but something about this is just way off, from the very first note.

by Deb Harryreply 6409/16/2020

I never thought I'd hear all of this love for Barry Fucking Manilow (!) on DL.

by Deb Harryreply 6509/16/2020

Karen Carpenter-one of the all time great voices. This rendition is not my favorite; the styling seems off to me. My personal favorite of hers/theirs and probably the most basically arranged song is "Sing".

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by Deb Harryreply 6609/16/2020

Here’s a compilation of her playing the drums. Quite impressive:

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by Deb Harryreply 6709/16/2020

The Carpenters were much better as studio performers than as live performers.

Karen's technique was to sing at a low volume and have the technicians turn the volume way up on her recordings.

Karen could sing well within her ability but she wasn't a "belter" and she didn't have a huge range....

I think those limitations show on this song

by Deb Harryreply 6809/16/2020

[Quote] My personal favorite of hers/theirs and probably the most basically arranged song is "Sing".

I might find Sing tolerable if they took off those fucking kids.

by Deb Harryreply 6909/16/2020

I don't remember where I read this, but shortly after this was released an article comparing this interpretation with BM's was that there is a feeling in Barry's that he may possibly "get the feeling" again, but with Karen's, all hope is lost.

by Deb Harryreply 7009/17/2020

Karen never had the feeling in the first place. Her singing was all about fantasy.

by Deb Harryreply 7109/17/2020

Suicide queen Karen Carpenter could take any song and turn it into a funeral dirge. Love. Her.

by Deb Harryreply 7209/17/2020

It’s been awhile since I read the little girl blue book, but during the filming of the carpenters TV movie Richard was continuously trying to soften Agnes’s image of being a cold hearted cunt. Richard did marry his 1st cousin and it freaked Karen out when they started dating. She was adopted a birth so Richard and Karen grew up with her as a first cousin. When Karen pointed this out Richard got angry and justified it by saying she wasn’t a blood relation.

I wonder if Karen ever actually recorded rock with you for her solo album. It was offered to her first but she didn’t think the song was her and when she went to the off the wall recording sessions It confirmed this in her mind.

by Deb Harryreply 7309/17/2020

This is a really trippy listening experience for me. Until this thread, I didn’t even know this song had lyrics!

Growing up, I only knew the uptempo instrumental version by Hubert Laws, which of course is a jazz classic.

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by Deb Harryreply 7409/17/2020

Manilow version beats Carpenter version:

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by Deb Harryreply 7509/17/2020

The Neumann U87 sounds especially warm on Karen's voice.

by Deb Harryreply 7609/17/2020
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