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Public Ivy vs Private Ivy

Private Ivy- Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Univ of Penn, Princeton, & Yale.

Public Ivy- William & Mary, Miami Univ, Univ of California, Univ of Michigan, UNC, UT Austin, Univ of Vermont, & Univ of Virginia.

Why anyone would pick Cornell over the Public Ivy's is an absolute idiot.

Agree or Disagree?

by Anonymousreply 158Last Wednesday at 7:47 AM

UT Austin and Univ of Vermont are public Ivy? Never heard that before.

by Anonymousreply 107/31/2020

I had poison ivy on my ass last week. I had to go to the ER at 1 am!

by Anonymousreply 207/31/2020

What’s wrong with Cornell?

by Anonymousreply 307/31/2020

No you'd have better connections from going to Cornell than going to any of those gigantic public Ivies.

by Anonymousreply 407/31/2020

R3, if you have to ask...

by Anonymousreply 507/31/2020

OP, you forgot UNC Chapel Hill. Never heard University of Vermont was considered a public ivy.

by Anonymousreply 607/31/2020

NO such thing as a public ivy

That said, public schools are only cheaper if you live in those states.

by Anonymousreply 707/31/2020

^ Oh wait, you said UNC. Nevermind,

by Anonymousreply 807/31/2020

The biggest problem with Cornell is it is literally in the middle of nowhere.

My friend's son was choosing between Berkeley and Cornell. Because they live in California, Berkeley would be much cheaper.

The decision to go to Berkeley was finalized when they realized that they would see their son, at most, twice a year if he went to Cornell over Berkeley.

by Anonymousreply 907/31/2020

W&M, UNC, and Texas beat Cornell by a long shot.

Andy Bernard ruined Cornell's reputation. Hell, I would pick Syracuse in the ivy League over Cornell any day. Columbia is only goo if you want to be chained to NYC.

by Anonymousreply 1007/31/2020

I transferred from Harvard to Berkeley, and my days at Berkeley were some of the happiest of my life. Never will forget going on motorcycle rides up Mt. Tamalpais, and biking through the Berkeley Hills, picnics at People's Park. Also I was there during drought years so there was plenty of sunshine.

My sister graduated from Harvard as did her husband. Their lives are no different from mine. I am a doctor. My sister is an estate Lawyer and my brother in law is a professor (tenured) at DePaul University in Chicago (like many PhDs in English in the early mid 90's, he had a tough time getting a tenure track job, despite his degrees from Harvard - he lucked out with Chicago as he had gotten offers from Kansas and Alabama).

by Anonymousreply 1107/31/2020

Columbia is not just "goo" if you want to be chained to NYC.

It's one of the top ten universities in the world.

OP clearly didn't go to any of these schools.

by Anonymousreply 1207/31/2020

UC Berkeley has produced more Nobel winners than the former USSR.

by Anonymousreply 1307/31/2020

Poison Ivy!

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by Anonymousreply 1407/31/2020

There is no such thing as public Ivy ffs. Dumb cunt.

by Anonymousreply 1507/31/2020

It is clear that R15 neither attended a private nor a pubclic Ivy.

by Anonymousreply 1607/31/2020

What the fuck is UT Austin or University of Vermont good for? nothing special.

by Anonymousreply 1707/31/2020

Cornell is only good for hospitality studies.

by Anonymousreply 1807/31/2020

UT Austin is good, it's never referred to as a public ivy though, ever. Virginia and Berkeley, yes.

by Anonymousreply 1907/31/2020

No mention of Stanford?

Brown is just terrible.

by Anonymousreply 2007/31/2020

Richard Moll, who first coined the term "Public Ivy" included UT Austin on his original list in the 80s. Now if it should still be considered one, that's a different story. I'm not familiar with UT Austin.

by Anonymousreply 2107/31/2020

What about the poison ivy on my ass? I had to get 2 steroid shots in my ass muscle at 1 am!!

by Anonymousreply 2207/31/2020

UT has grown in reputation over the last 20 years.

by Anonymousreply 2307/31/2020

[quote] Why anyone would pick Cornell over the Public Ivy's is an absolute idiot.

If you meant to write the plural of "Public Ivy," that would be "the Public Ivies." "The Public Ivy's" is the possessive form of "the Public Ivy," not the plural form.

by Anonymousreply 2407/31/2020

The idea of "Public Ivy" is laughable.

by Anonymousreply 2507/31/2020

Then there are the Poison Ivy schools -- like Baylor or Oral Roberts or the University of Oklahoma -- where all that matters is what frat you belong to, how often you go to church, and how many gays you can bash.

by Anonymousreply 2607/31/2020

R26 Baylor is full of closeted Aaron Schock types

by Anonymousreply 2707/31/2020

Private Ivy Ho

by Anonymousreply 2807/31/2020

Cornell has excellent basic sciences and the least asshole-ish grads of the Ivies.

Miami is definitely a rung down from the public Ivies: Michigan, Wisconsin, Berkeley, maybe UVa. UT-Austin is at least half a step down. UNC, too---it's treading on an old reputation for undergrad---very good med school and one of the best public health schools. William and Mary is really more like a public liberal arts college, along with Evergreen, Santa Cruz; and some of the smaller, arty SUNYs.

by Anonymousreply 2907/31/2020

r20 Stanford is not a public school

by Anonymousreply 3007/31/2020

Why would anyone go to Cornell when there are equivalent schools in better locations? Ithaca is a tiny blue dot in a redneck, dying part of NYS. A friend who went there said in the winter you had to go through underground tunnels to get to anything on campus. And don’t forget suicide gorge. A lot of kids offed themselves there until Cornell put in fences and patrols.

This reminds me of that endless debate about Who is the Harvard of the South. Duke? Emory? Vanderbilt? UVA? I’m no fan of Harvard, but you never see it claiming to be the X of the North.

Georgetown (not a pretender to the throne) grad

by Anonymousreply 3107/31/2020

Good lord. So much misinformation.

I went to William and Mary and then transferred to Cornell.

Cornell is such a better school. Plus three of the colleges ARE public so you’re paying public school tuition for an Ivy League diploma. So many people from downstate that yes, you make great connections.

It is in the middle of nowhere but so is Dartmouth. Who cares.

Winters are cold but there are literally no tunnels on campus. Your friend is either flat out lying or mixing up with a different college.

And yes, about one person a year attempts suicide. One. I’d imagine it’s the same as many competitive school.

The hotelies are not the smartest but damn they work hard and it is literally one of the two best programs in the world.

Same with ILR.

Ag school not amazing undergrad but one of the tops grad programs.

A Cornell diploma is worth way more than William and Mary or UT Austin. Maybe not UNC.

by Anonymousreply 3207/31/2020

NYU is better than all of them.

by Anonymousreply 3307/31/2020

We refer to Hudson University as Private Pervy.

by Anonymousreply 3407/31/2020

Make college free and end the reign of elitists.

by Anonymousreply 3507/31/2020

Go back to your fifth-grade grammar lessons, OP.

by Anonymousreply 3607/31/2020

Oh no WIllaim and Mary wont do

by Anonymousreply 3707/31/2020

[quote] Good lord. So much misinformation.

Agreed R32

I would not know where to start.

Threads like this always make me sad. Gay men try so hard and everyone sees through them anyway. Just be who you are.

by Anonymousreply 3807/31/2020

Although not an Ivy, Stanford could be considered at the Top Tier.

I'll never forget when an HR director tried to say that a degree from Tennessee was as prestigious as one from UCLA or Cal. That was on a sports board and she was laughed off it and later admitted that she was a Lady Vol

by Anonymousreply 3907/31/2020

i chose one of those public ivies (UNC) over one of those private ivies (Columbia) for grad school. i can't believe, 30 years later, that i studied with some of those professors, already then world class names and who will be legends for generations.

by Anonymousreply 4007/31/2020

[quote] i can't believe, 30 years later, that i studied with some of those professors, already then world class names and who will be legends for generations.

Mary!

by Anonymousreply 4107/31/2020

i'll add that in my biz, Cornell is tops, along with Princeton, Michigan, and Berkeley. don't get the Cornell slagging above.

by Anonymousreply 4207/31/2020

I disagree OP. I went to Cornell and loved it. And they give great financial aid. So why wouldn't I have gone there? It's a great big research university but undergrads still get a lot of attention.

by Anonymousreply 4307/31/2020

G went to William and Mary. You'd think her doctor father could have afforded a private school. First of many disappointments for G I guess. (three ex-husbands, 7 nominations etc.)

by Anonymousreply 4407/31/2020

UCLA is rated above Cal, Virginia, Michigan... well on your list. It's become the highest rated public university. It's not remotely an "ivy-like" school, other than its academic quality. Hard to know what you are trying to argue on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 4507/31/2020

R44 I also attended Brown. Which I also found terrific, and very glamorous, too.

The poor little never weres on DL who can never get over not having Ivy degrees for some sad self-esteem problem. Who cares after 10 years anyway? Grow the fuck up.

Most people who go to any of the top 100 schools, for example, are probably proud and probably had a good education and a good time. They don't run around forever regretting they went to UofC instead of Swarthmore or whatever.

by Anonymousreply 4607/31/2020

R46 In fact, there community colleges which offer a much more effective academic experience than most "prestige" colleges, private or not. Many or most colleges have large survey classes the first two years, with breakout "labs" often taught by grad student Teaching Assistants - the quality received in community colleges like Santa Barbara of De Anza community colleges in CA is likely superior. I remember seeing some data about DeAnza students transfer to Cal have a higher success rate that those who were admitted as freshman.

If I had a kid, I would put her through the drama of trying to get into an elite college, but would do everything possible to assure she graduate from one.... and a good public one would be just peachy.

by Anonymousreply 4707/31/2020

Rank them (the Ivies) in order guys. Use five word explanations of the rank next to each one.

Don’t bother with the pseudo Ivies.

by Anonymousreply 4807/31/2020

As long as need blind admissions and full need financial aid holds, the very elite private colleges are not really an issue.

Go after insane tuition that most average folks have to pay at state or private colleges for average folks.

by Anonymousreply 4907/31/2020

In order of hot guys: (hottest to just relatively hot)

Harvard

Brown

Yale

Princeton

Cornell

Dartmouth

Colombia

Penn

by Anonymousreply 5007/31/2020

Colombia? Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 5107/31/2020

Most likely to meet (and possibly fuck) billionaire spawn:

Harvard

Brown

Yale

Columbia

Princeton

Dartmouth

Penn

Cornell

by Anonymousreply 5207/31/2020

oopsie

by Anonymousreply 5307/31/2020

R50 You are so wrong. I spent 2 years at Harvard in the late 80's and there were few attractive men. Lots of nerds and inbred preppies.

I transferred to Berkeley and there were so many hot men there. Fit, tanned, Californian...heaven.

by Anonymousreply 5407/31/2020

Gayest to hardly gay

Yale

Brown

Harvard

Columbia

Princeton

Cornell

Penn

Dartmouth

by Anonymousreply 5507/31/2020

Most expensive gift required to get your dumbass kid accepted:

Harvard

Yale

Columbia

Princeton

Brown

Dartmouth

Cornell

Penn

by Anonymousreply 5607/31/2020

Ivy means five, as in the points on the leaf. Revise the list OP.

by Anonymousreply 5707/31/2020

Maybe lots of nerds in Harvard but I spent a summer in Boston and oh boy.... Sooooooo many hot, hot college boys.

by Anonymousreply 5807/31/2020

[Quote] UNC, UT

Sounds good to me.

by Anonymousreply 5907/31/2020

Least Amount of Work Required to Graduate - to most amount

Brown

Harvard

Dartmouth

Penn

Yale

Princeton

Columbia

Cornell

by Anonymousreply 6007/31/2020

I thought Princeton had the hottest guys.

by Anonymousreply 6107/31/2020

There are many colleges with much hotter guys than the Ivy League! So its marginal differences within.

by Anonymousreply 6207/31/2020

Cornell is much better than any of OP's listed "public Ivies" except Berkeley and Ann Arbor, and that's debatable. Virginia isn't as good as a ton of other schools from Washington to UCLA to Illinois. Hell, it's not even as good as Florida. William and Mary isn't in the top 100 schools in the nation Miami U has not been top tier since the McGuffin reader breathed its last UNC and UTA are both overrated. Vermont is only a rumor, not a school

by Anonymousreply 6307/31/2020

Most likely Ivy school cute undergrad to be met at a bar in Saint-Tropez or Verbier.

Brown

Brown

Brown

Brown

Brown

Brown

Brown

Harvard

by Anonymousreply 6407/31/2020

r8 = UCH Alum

by Anonymousreply 6507/31/2020

McGuffey readers, but they were Miami's big contribution to American culture

by Anonymousreply 6607/31/2020

Cleanest to Muskiest Taint

Princeton

Harvard

Columbia

Dartmouth

Yale

Cornell

Penn

Brown

by Anonymousreply 6707/31/2020

Easiest to slightly more challenging opportunities to fuck drunk "straight" boys.

Brown

Princeton

Cornell

Dartmouth

Columbia

Harvard

Yale

Penn

by Anonymousreply 6807/31/2020

When I worked in tech a few years ago, Cornell grads were definitely in demand - over Yale, Brown, Dartmouth and many of the public "ivys" OP listed.

by Anonymousreply 6907/31/2020

It’s crazy that a group of men in their 50’s - 70’s are comparing universities. Actually, it’s sad. You should be comparing accomplishments at this point, and prove that you didn’t peak 30 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 7007/31/2020

UCLA has been ranked ahead of Cal and Michigan for a while now.

by Anonymousreply 7107/31/2020

R70 Sadly most of them are still living in 1982… In their minds

by Anonymousreply 7207/31/2020

R70 Where did you go?

by Anonymousreply 7307/31/2020

Oh blah blah spoken like true paper pushers R70 and R72 "accomplishments." In a country with 330 million people, 295 million are lying about their accomplishments and the others are either mute or too young to speak.

by Anonymousreply 7407/31/2020

Isn’t graduating an accomplishment?

by Anonymousreply 7507/31/2020

[quote] In fact, there community colleges which offer a much more effective academic experience than most "prestige" colleges, private or not.

This is so true. Community colleges are such a great deal. I went to a large public university but honestly, I would have gone to a liberal arts school for the one-on-one attention.

by Anonymousreply 7607/31/2020

What' s interesting is how little the rankings have changed in 30 years. This is even clearer in sports. Someone who followed the programs quite closely thirty years ago but hasn't kep up, will likely do better in predicting results than someone who tries using knowledge of the individual players to pick winners, in most sports.

by Anonymousreply 7707/31/2020

Oh Good God, there is no such thing as a "public ivy" college. Ivy League schools are simply, in athletics, members of the Ivy League. Highly-regarded private universities of high scholastic standing: Brown University, Columbia University, Cornell University, Dartmouth College, Harvard University, the University of Pennsylvania, Princeton University, and Yale University. Any school can affect a collegiate mid-'50s and onward dress and style and many national non-Ivy schools like Stanford, Duke, UVA and MIT are clearly prestigious and have high national rankings comparable to Ivy League schools, but are not "Ivy."

by Anonymousreply 7807/31/2020

But nothing saves as good as Ivy sounds.

It’s the gold standard, admit it.

The keys to the kingdom.

by Anonymousreply 7907/31/2020

R79 See my post at R11. Most Ivy grads lead a comfortable upper middle class life. There is nothing special about most of them. Me, my sister and brother in law included (Harvard).

by Anonymousreply 8007/31/2020

More musings about yesteryear. What have you done today… Besides taking your Metamucil and pulling on your depends? Are you sitting in your bedroom cradling your 1974 graduation tassel?

by Anonymousreply 8107/31/2020

R80 here. And all of my room dorm mates and friends from Harvard lead ordinary upper middle class lives.

A lot of mythology here about how an Ivy undergrad degree affects your life.

by Anonymousreply 8207/31/2020

Dumbass - upper middle class lives are not "ordinary" to the hoi polloi. Increasingly less so. Only a Harvard twat would type this. I'm glad I got my ivy degrees precisely because they gave me advantages, and advantages are not "ordinary".

by Anonymousreply 8307/31/2020

Oh honey... public Ivy?

by Anonymousreply 8407/31/2020

R83 You are rather uncouth. No doubt a full scholarship type, like the ones who washed my bathroom in my dorm.

I am addressing the DL audience, not "hoi polloi".

by Anonymousreply 8507/31/2020

R60 Princeton is definitely the most. It’s the only school where a thesis is required just to graduate (at Harvard or Yale or most of these other schools, you write a thesis you’ll pretty much automatically get honors ). That’s why academics and US News have ranked it #1 for decades.

It also has a good number of hot preppy guys for a top school.

by Anonymousreply 8607/31/2020

[quote]Colombia

Lots of hot guys from Colombia on Chaturbate.

by Anonymousreply 8707/31/2020

[quote]It’s the only school where a thesis is required just to graduate (at Harvard or Yale or most of these other schools, you write a thesis you’ll pretty much automatically get honors ).

It's not the only one, though there are not many that require it. It's also required at Reed College, and the US Naval Academy, among other places.

by Anonymousreply 8807/31/2020

Some of you missed my point. I don’t talk about which university I attended because it doesn’t matter at this point. I also don’t want to sound like a loser at dinner parties, events, etc. I’ve started my own business, traveled all over the world, designed buildings and have been in a successful relationship for years.

I have a friend that still talks about his university and fraternity, despite the fact that he’s 55. He’s a nice man, but I feel terrible when I see people rolling their eyes as he speaks.

by Anonymousreply 8907/31/2020

Good thing you can’t see what we’re doing while reading your first paragraph.

by Anonymousreply 9007/31/2020

But where in fact did you go, r70/r89? You seem to be avoiding the question.

by Anonymousreply 9107/31/2020

No word on Bates College? I would like to go there so I could say I went to Bates like Carrie White went to Bates High School.

by Anonymousreply 9207/31/2020

Pubic ivy

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by Anonymousreply 9307/31/2020

Another point, just finished watching a documentary about Julian Schnabel. Where did he get his BFA? University of Houston. Where does that university fall in any of your lists? I would say that he has just about everyone beat on DL, in terms of success. I also doubt he’s chatting about his BFA to everyone...because, again, at this point, it doesn’t matter.

by Anonymousreply 9407/31/2020

I get the feeling that a lot of people on this thread went to 3rd and 4th tier colleges.

by Anonymousreply 9507/31/2020

UT Austin is on the list.

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by Anonymousreply 9607/31/2020

R33 NYU sucks. All my idiot cousins went to NYU. The idiots I grew up with on Long Island went to NYU and now their idiot spawn are only being accepted at NYU.

My best friend who taught at both NYU and Yale says that most of his students at NYU were mediocre tools who just cared about what was on the test and how they could get a good grade. Their writing was atrocious and they weren’t humble enough to learn.

In the Iranian and Indian communities, the smart kids are pressured to get into good school but the dummies and girls looking to become housewives are told “just go to NYU”.

It’s a big school and it’s easy to graduate without getting a decent education. And that includes the greedy dorks who brag about the Stern School of Business program. The top financial firms will hire any major from Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and MIT over them any day.

My firm doesn’t usually hire those with undergraduate degrees from NYU.

So stop the bullshit about NYU.

by Anonymousreply 9707/31/2020

^^^ “into good schools, not good school.

by Anonymousreply 9807/31/2020

r94 University of Houston is one of those schools that are excellent but get no respect. Elizabeth Warren is also a graduate and taught there.

by Anonymousreply 9908/01/2020

R96 that is the Wren Building at William & Mary, not UT.

William & Mary going public was the worst thing that could have happened to them.

Aaron Ross Sorkin is a super hot finance guy with a Cornell degree. He needs to be my sex slave, so Cornell is good.

Dartmouth is full of Rockefeller wannabes and Hank Paulson.

Emily Gilmore said it best “their grandson could not even get into Brown.”

NYU and Columbia are practically interchangeable.

Yale graduates dynasties like the Bushes.

Harvard has so many applications, it looks more prestigious than it is.

UNC is fantastic, but they are the stepchild of the top universities honestly.

UT you get a degree with a huge helping of ego.

Michigan was the first college for affirmative action. Great football team, but who wants to live in Michigan???

Princeton is in New Jersey....

Penn is still recovering from the Sandusky problems. Poor boys.

Vermont?????

Tufts graduated Trump. Georgetown graduated Kellyanne Conway.

MIT doesn’t have time for all this BULLSHIT!

by Anonymousreply 10008/01/2020

Dear bitchytop,

I think you’re confusing Penn State with the University of Pennsylvania, also called “Penn”.

Why so bitchy? Do you need a hug?

by Anonymousreply 10108/01/2020

R101 you’re right, but even the similarities are there. I am real and honest, I do not need a hug.

by Anonymousreply 10208/01/2020

Being real and honest means being bitchy? Do you go to therapy? It’s really helpful.

by Anonymousreply 10308/01/2020

An old joke:

Q: What do a Princeton student and a Cornell student have in common?

A: They both got into Cornell.

by Anonymousreply 10408/01/2020

These schools all have one thing in common. Exclusivity. If you make something hard get into, it raises its prominence. You can turn the University of Bumblefuck into a top tier school by making it super hard to get into. The truth is you're not getting a better education at any of these schools. You're getting a brand and a network of alumni to help open doors.

by Anonymousreply 10508/01/2020

R104 replace that with any Ivy...Cornell is still the bastard step child of the Ivy League that everyone loves to shit on.

by Anonymousreply 10608/01/2020

Cornell is bastard to no school. It's just Cornell. And give Cornell Tech 15 years and Cornell will be one of the most competitive STEM schools in the country if it is not already.

by Anonymousreply 10708/01/2020

I'm sorry but NYU is pretty useless. overpriced.

Unless it's the grad school...

I know so many NYU grads doing nothing now...driving ubers and lyfts LOL.

by Anonymousreply 10808/01/2020

[quote] And give Cornell Tech 15 years and Cornell will be one of the most competitive STEM schools in the country if it is not already.

Typical try-hard Cornell.

by Anonymousreply 10908/01/2020

[quote] Tufts graduated Trump.

???

Donald Trump started at Fordham, then transferred to Wharton (which is part of UPenn) and got his degree there.

by Anonymousreply 11008/01/2020

I think bitchytop is having personal issues, I thought that statement about Trump was odd.

A good friend of mine went to NYU, and is a very successful actor. Another friend who went there is a well known interior designer. It’s proof that all of these schools are great places to get an education, it just depends on the student, and how talented and motivated they are.

by Anonymousreply 11108/01/2020

R100 is wrong on almost all accounts.

Clearly he didn't go to any of those schools, or possibly, none at all.

by Anonymousreply 11208/01/2020

R100 Princeton is to New Jersey as Palm Beach is to Fla and Southampton is to Long Island.

I think Lisa Birnbach originally said that, actually.

by Anonymousreply 11308/01/2020

NYU is not interchangeable with Columbia. And it is not exclusive. Yes, actors and designers go there. But these people probably didn’t have the academic credentials to get into an exclusive school. There are like 20,000 students who go there so it is the size of many state schools. The Ivies are much smaller. It is harder to get into Yale where many creative types go.

NYU accepts 30% or more of its applicants and a lot of people who don’t apply to the Ivy Leagues apply there.

by Anonymousreply 11408/01/2020

NYU is a safe school for many and a reach school for many. That’s why it has such a large applicant pool. It has gone up in rank because it is in New York. It does have decent lecturers and professors because of its location and salaries but the students aren’t top notch.

If you ask the TA’s and professors, they’ll tell you this. The student body is mediocre and and they do ficus on grades and getting the degree rather than learning or meeting other brilliant people. It is like USC.

by Anonymousreply 11508/01/2020

* focus. One can get a good education anywhere. But the NYU students don’t really care about that. They are the very definition of dumb and entitled.

by Anonymousreply 11608/01/2020

R110 Yes, the guys that deliver pot are NYU grads. So are many “escorts”.

The female New School students are known for being on the “I want to kept by Daddy” dating sites.

Many schools have gone up in rank and appear to be more exclusive because so many more people go to college. In my parents’ generation, high school grads had the same level of education that NYU and USC grads have now.

by Anonymousreply 11708/01/2020

You guys realize that you’re the only ones talking about this, right?

by Anonymousreply 11808/01/2020

How old are you bitches? I bet the average age is 67. Sad sad losers.

by Anonymousreply 11908/01/2020

I think you can get a good education at many colleges if you are focused on it. Ivy League schools have name recognition and forever mark you as being “smart.” I graduated from one of the “public ivy’s” listed here because I wanted to stay close to home and my sister graduated from Harvard. I don’t see many differences in our lives but people still refer to how academically gifted she is.

by Anonymousreply 12008/01/2020

You cannot buy your way into a public ivy. No way kushner (cough Damien) could buy their way into MIT. like they could Harvard. Harvard and the other private ivy universities have stupid tracks for legacy scholars, aka stupid rich kids.

by Anonymousreply 12108/01/2020

MIT is a private school, not a public ivy.

by Anonymousreply 12208/01/2020

And what does the "M" stand for?

by Anonymousreply 12308/01/2020

R118 , R119 You are free to leave this thread.

by Anonymousreply 12408/01/2020

R124 Massachusetts. But that doesn’t make it public. The University of Pennsylvania is private. Princeton was once called the College of New Jersey but it was private.

by Anonymousreply 12508/01/2020

r123 It stands for Massachusetts, just like the CAL in Caltech stands for California. They're both private.

by Anonymousreply 12608/01/2020

Rutgers is public, as are William and Mary and George Mason, so public schools don't need the name of the state in them.

by Anonymousreply 12708/01/2020

[quote] And what does the "M" stand for?

I can't believe someone actually thought they were proving a point by saying this.

by Anonymousreply 12808/01/2020

The M stands or Mofuckin

by Anonymousreply 12908/01/2020

R128 I know. It actually makes me smile though. With the evil cabal running our country and the proud racists advertising their hatred with glee, it’s kinda nice to encounter “an innocent”.

by Anonymousreply 13008/01/2020

R130, LOL. It amuses me...because it's so sad.

by Anonymousreply 13108/01/2020

Caltech (California Institute of Technology) is also private.

by Anonymousreply 13208/01/2020

It's weird to me that so many of you think the purpose of a fancy education is solely to become wealthy.

by Anonymousreply 13308/01/2020

R133, it sure as hell isn't to become poor.

by Anonymousreply 13408/01/2020

R133 There is such a thing as education. It is independent of earning a living. A plumber can make money. More than, say, a linguist. Plastic surgeons earn more than most researchers with MD’s. In the past, Wall Street traders often didn’t have degrees at firms like Lehman Bros. But Professors generally did. Some humans are driven by the desire to think, learn and create. Greed wasn’t always considered good.

by Anonymousreply 13508/01/2020

R135 was meant for R134.

by Anonymousreply 13608/01/2020

R127, Rutgers' full name is Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey. It also has three campuses, each with different emphases. Elizabeth Warren went to its law school, where Ruth Bader Ginsberg also once taught.

The Ivy League universities each have their strengths and weaknesses, but on the whole they are among the best universities not just in the US but the globe. Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Columbia, and Penn are all very strong in most areas, and Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth are also very good, if not as highly ranked. They also vary in size; Cornell is huge, Harvard and Yale contain all kinds of schools (Forestry, Divinity, etc.), and Princeton is the smallest in terms of divisions and offerings. It is also the richest per capita.

There are other private universities that as highly ranked: Stanford (the premier university on the West Coast and one of the best in the world), MIT (the leading science and engineering university in the US), the University of Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, California Institute of Technology, Washington University in St. Louis, Rice University, University of Notre Dame, Vanderbilt University, etc. You can Google this, but these are all among the major research (Research I) universities in the US and globally.

The best public universities in the US are: UCLA, the University of California-Berkeley, University of Michigan, Wake Forest (it's very good), University of Virginia, University of Texas, Georgia Tech, UNC, UC Santa Barbara, and UC Irvine. Not sure about how much credence to give a term like "Public Ivies," but it's the case that there are many very good public universities, and if you live in state and pay state tuition, you can probably get a superb education for 1/2 to 1/3rd of the price of private universities, though some, like Harvard, do heavily subsidize students whose parents make under a certain cutoff.

by Anonymousreply 13708/01/2020

MIT wants women badly. If you don’t quite have the chops for the big three but still want the credentials of a top school (and don’t care about having no life), you’d be smart to apply there.

by Anonymousreply 13808/01/2020

Every Ivy League University can be much cheaper than a state university because they can meet full financial need and that is not LOANS - it is grants. State universities do not have this cash. Rich kids pay for their undergraduate Ivy degrees. Poor kids do not pay much tuition. They may need loans for living, of course.

by Anonymousreply 13908/01/2020

[quote]Hell, I would pick Syracuse in the Ivy League over Cornell any day.

Syracuse is not in the Ivy League.

by Anonymousreply 14008/01/2020

Caltech and MIT survive on government grants. Both on our premier science institutions/science research centers. A state governor (or the US president) cannot shut down these universities or research centers.

Private means you live off your endowment. Public means you live off scientific grants. But, the definitions are weird. Traditional definitions are: a religious school is private (only off endowment of members and private donors). Public Universities are eligible for scientific grants, and other programs that benefit the students.

by Anonymousreply 14108/01/2020

Replace Vermont with Wisconsin

by Anonymousreply 14208/01/2020

There are a few good universities in Texas...the chinese cunts were trying to steal research from one or two of them...Saw it in the news recently. the spying cunts were asked to vacate the embassy/consulate in texas.

by Anonymousreply 14308/01/2020

r97, NYU is hard to get into. Check out the % of students they admit and their average SAT scores. The only dumb people there are the rich kids who bought their way in.

by Anonymousreply 14408/01/2020

I think the term you are looking for is "elite" for which "ivy" is some kind of placeholder. And the data from the last 30-40 years (post the destruction that Reaganism wrought) is that the middle class is evaporating, and the hollowed at center of the workforce no longer has many jobs....

And a college degree is usually the "union card" for those maintaining, or accessing, a place on the upper side of the great divide, especially if you've networked in from an elite U (your point). It's a divide that is widening rapidly... covid is an example - those that continue to work at home, etc will survive or thrive... the working class, pay cut, jobs lost... fall deeper and farther away from the center.

The center cannot hold...

by Anonymousreply 14508/01/2020

Wake Forest is private, not public

by Anonymousreply 14608/01/2020

R137 -- your silly screed would have more credibility if you had gotten your facts correct.

by Anonymousreply 14708/02/2020

R147 What facts did he get wrong?

by Anonymousreply 14808/04/2020

R144 There are tons of dumb people and average people there. Check out how big it is. It’s easier to get into than USC!

by Anonymousreply 14908/04/2020

[quote]And what does the "M" stand for?

Don't tell me she got top billing on that too.

by Anonymousreply 15008/04/2020

r148 Well, the fact that Wake Forest is NOT a public university for one.

by Anonymousreply 15108/04/2020

lots of top rated public universities have been greatly diminished by the rethuglican governors and legiaslatures efforts to destroy "liberal " higher education. UNC. Madison, UTex are shadows of their former selves and others in bluer states like VA and CA have suffered from strangled funding and the refusal of citizens to pay the necessary taxes. CA was once a model of how to do excellent public higher education, but sadly no more.

meanwhile the ivies continue to pile up obscene endowments while educating a miniscule segement of the population

by Anonymousreply 15208/04/2020

University of Texas has an endowment of 4 billion. Nothing stops public research universities from doing major fund raising campaigns.

by Anonymousreply 15308/04/2020

University of Virginia has 9.5 billion endowment.

by Anonymousreply 15408/04/2020

THe Ivies give out full financial aid packages. That’s why the “huge” endowments are so important.

Even 30/35 years ago the notion that they’re just for the “privileged “ was insanely outdated.

by Anonymousreply 15508/04/2020

Oh, honey -- everyone lies about the size of their endowment. This IS a gay message board, isn't it?

by Anonymousreply 15608/04/2020

USC is fucking impossible to get into without some help.

by Anonymousreply 15708/04/2020

I’ve noticed something where I work, which is a place that has around 150 employees, where about more than half went to Ivy League, and the rest to state universities. I’ve noticed that the Ivy employees tend to be less attractive and socially inept. It’s difficult to get them to respond to social cues, unlike the other employees. They do their work, but don’t contribute to the office culture in a positive way. It’s a lost cause now that we’re working from home.

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