All those hot clothes and cramped living spaces.
I wouldn't survive one day of summer.
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All those hot clothes and cramped living spaces.
I wouldn't survive one day of summer.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | August 1, 2020 6:52 PM |
I've read various things in books written long ago...
Like there was a book set in the Jim Crow South, where it said something like "... and ladies bathed three times a day and dusted themselves all over with talcum powder when they got out...", because there wasn't any deodorant back then.
In the summers of 19th century New York, the small overcrowded rooms in tenement buildings would be so hot that nobody could sleep, so half the inhabitants of the building would drag a mattress up to the building's roof, and hundreds of people would lie piled together on mattresses, because it was cooler than staying inside.
Do people still jigger fire hydrants, so that kids can play in the spraying water?
by Anonymous | reply 1 | July 29, 2020 11:07 AM |
I wonder which would be worse: having the electric go off in the winter or the summer?
by Anonymous | reply 2 | July 29, 2020 6:32 PM |
Maybe we're getting to the bottom of a shorter life expectancy. They were cooked.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | July 29, 2020 6:37 PM |
I heard it that it wasn't quite as hot then because there wasn't as much concrete but the South had sleeping porches for summers and the icehouse came into popularity as a place to hang out at. Icehouse are bars now but they started as places to go get cool.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | July 29, 2020 6:41 PM |
OP, I don't have AC in my apartment this summer. (It's a long story.) I live in southern New England and it's been a hot summer. Plus, I basically never leave my apartment, so I haven't experienced air conditioning since last summer, save a quick trip to the grocery.
I can't speak for people of yesteryear, but here are a few observations:
-I leave my windows open all night. In the morning, it's generally 73-77 degrees in the apartment. As soon as the sun rises, I close my windows and close my blinds. This keeps the apartment relatively cool, about 5 degrees cooler than the outside, sometimes more. (It's 86 degrees outside right now, and 81 in my apartment)
-I open my windows again around 5-6 PM, regardless of the outside temperature. The air circulation cools things down a bit in the evening.
-Because the heat gradually increases, and my body isn't used to AC, the heat is generally tolerable. (It's only bad when it doesn't cool off enough at night. When the apartment is still 80 degrees when I wake up, I know I'm in for a hot day)
-I will admit, I do use a fan, so I have that advantage
I've just learned to accept it, frankly. I know it's not going to change. I assume this is the attitude people used to assume.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | July 29, 2020 6:45 PM |
People would soak their feet in cold water. That would cool off your whole body. Also running cold water over your wrists and neck helps cool down the body.
R2 I think having the electricity go off in the summer would be worse. In the winter, I could keep piling on blankets and quilts, start a fire in the fireplace (if I have one). In the summer, there's not much I can do to stay cool once I take off all my clothes.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | July 29, 2020 7:44 PM |
Just wait, OP. Russia or North Korea will set off an EMP over America and we’ll all find out.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | July 29, 2020 7:56 PM |
It blows my mind that my ancestors came to Texas and decided to stay and not keep moving. It is so hot and humid and miserable. Even if it were 10 degrees cooler, it would be too much. Clearly they were all very stupid. I can imagine life without cars and television and even phones. I cannot imagine living here without air conditioning. I know I would die, because I almost died without a/c when I lived in New England. It is so gross and exhausting to be hot and sticky all day for months on end!
by Anonymous | reply 8 | July 29, 2020 7:56 PM |
I asked our granny who was born in 1943 what they did as kids to keep cool in Texas.
Fans. Electric fans. Lots of them. Everywhere.
Plus, their house was divided by a breezeway. Living areas and kitchen to the left; bedrooms to the right. That somehow helped. It was also great for kiddie bowling, lemonade and iced tea.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | July 29, 2020 8:24 PM |
R9 you’d run fans etc on one side of the house during the day and bedrooms at night.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | July 29, 2020 8:29 PM |
My relatives in the south of Italy didn't have electricity or running water until about 1958. It's very arid there and fresh water was very limited. They told me everyone stunk. But now I understand why when I was wearing a polo shirt when it was 70 or 75 degrees, they yelled at me for not wearing a coat. That was actually cool to them!
by Anonymous | reply 11 | July 29, 2020 8:35 PM |
I lived in Long Beach in an older apartment w no air. I thought I would die!. It didn’t cool off until November. I hate the sun anyway. CA was not a fit for me.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | July 29, 2020 8:41 PM |
I have also found sleeping with a damp blanket covering you makes unbearable summer nights tolerable.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | July 29, 2020 8:42 PM |
Splashing water on your ears has an amazing instant cool-down effect.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | July 29, 2020 8:45 PM |
Some true history of the pre-A/C era. An older woman in my office told me that in non-air conditioned office buildings if the temperature went above a certain amount - say 85 or 90 degrees, everyone in the office could take off and go home. It was local law in New York City.
Also, movie theaters used to advertise "cooled air" which meant that they got huge blocks of ice and ran fans over the ice to cool the air - a crude version of air-conditioning. A lot of Broadway plays would close for the summer in that no one wanted to be packed inside in hot weather. If they were hits like "Lady in the Dark", they would reopen in the Fall.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | July 29, 2020 8:48 PM |
We sometimes slept out on the screen porch.
We had awnings on our house. Really stopped the sun from getting in. I was watching an old film of NYC and noticed most buildings had awnings, too.
My grandfather told me in the summer when it got hot people would go out and sleep in the parks.
Btw, until 1850 there was the Little Ice Age (from about 1300 to 1850) - it was actually cooler, for centuries, which may explain how people didn't mind wearing more/heavier clothes.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | July 29, 2020 8:54 PM |
[quote]I wonder which would be worse: having the electric go off in the winter or the summer?
Winter, of course, if only because water pipes can freeze and burst. I've turned on my AC once this year (to make sure it works) and we've already had more 90˚ days than a typical summer. I have ceiling fans on during the day and I sleep in a downstairs bedroom when it gets really hot -- always cool and comfortable down there.
But I much prefer running when it's 95˚ than 55˚, so I partial to being warm.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | July 29, 2020 8:56 PM |
They weren't such pathetic snowflakes?
by Anonymous | reply 18 | July 29, 2020 8:59 PM |
[quote]Also, movie theaters used to advertise "cooled air" which meant that they got huge blocks of ice and ran fans over the ice to cool the air - a crude version of air-conditioning.
Maybe in the very early days but by the early 30s they had actual air conditioning units.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | July 29, 2020 9:01 PM |
Spray or wipe yourself down with a mix of water and rubbing alcohol to cool off. Spray or wipe your stinky bits with a mix of vinegar and water to clean up the sweat and smell.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | July 29, 2020 9:10 PM |
Everyone died before 30.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | July 29, 2020 9:13 PM |
You often see men in jackets and ties and women in these clothes covering everything from neck to ankle with little jackets. I have no idea how they did it. But they don't look miserable. Maybe it didn't get as hot in the city early in the 20th century.
You can put on clothes and blankets in the winter. You can be naked in the summer and still be miserable. Once on a horrible night the electricity went out. I went to a pier on the river where there must have been a thousand people. The air was as thick heavy and hot as it was in my apartment so I just went home. Definitely would prefer the electricity go out in the winter.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | July 29, 2020 9:23 PM |
My grandmother was a big proponent of shutting up the house during the heat of the day and then running window fans at night to pull in the cooler night air. She also taught me to run my head under the cold tap before going to bed. If your head is cool, the rest of you feels cool, too.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | July 29, 2020 9:32 PM |
remember that the clothing was all natural fibers, which absorb more.
if we are going to give up AC, then we need to bring back the Siesta.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | July 29, 2020 9:35 PM |
Please remember that OP asked how people survived before FANS -- many of the upthread posters mention fans.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | July 29, 2020 9:39 PM |
r17, you May be my twin soul. I sleep on the basement when it’s hot.
And of course losing electricity in winter is worse - especially if you’ve got a furnace and not a boiler. A furnace fan stops running without electricity. Then the home’s pipes are going n danger of freezing and bursting. I’ve been tempted to buy a generator for just this reason.
High heat can be oppressive and exhausting, but in most parts of the US, you can still go outside and be marginally more comfortable.
There are parts of the world where climate change is bringing on more heat waves where it was already hot as fuck and most be don’t have a/c, as in parts of Pakistan.
Swamp coolers are useful where it’s more arid.
I lived in Chicago in the heat wave in the summer of 1995. Then, people were dying by the hundreds.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | July 29, 2020 9:39 PM |
Pipes can freeze in the winter if the power goes out for an extended period of time. That sucks for sure, but a power outage in the heat of summer is no fun at all...especially during a pandemic. We had a horrible thunderstorm roll through a couple weeks ago that killed my power for almost two days. Had to pitch almost everything in my fridge. Stayed with a friend during the day. Those shami type cooling rags you see everywhere are actually a good way to beat the heat. Wet it and put it around your neck.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | July 29, 2020 9:41 PM |
When it gets to a certain point, fans seem to do no good. Like sitting in front of an open oven with a fan blowing heat on you.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | July 29, 2020 9:41 PM |
Whether losing electricity is worse in summer or winter depends entirely on where you live. Northern US/Canada, losing heat in winter is going to be much more dangerous. In the South, losing power in summer will be more dangerous.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | July 29, 2020 9:41 PM |
I lived in several New Orleans houses without AC. The ceilings are very high, with big windows and shutters. There are ceiling fans, which keep the air moving. In the Deep South it storms almost every afternoon, which cools things off and makes a dramatic fog to walk through. I think the tradition of drinking sweet tea and Coca Cola comes from having to stay awake in all the heat and humidity. It’s hard to believe, but you do sort of get used to it, and you take a lot of cold baths and showers.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | July 29, 2020 9:43 PM |
The houses designed with the really high ceilings were to store the cold air and let it descend during the day as r24s grandmother pointed out.
I stayed in the Caribbean for a few weeks at the height of summer with a friends families house that was a restored plantation residence. It didn’t have AC and it was not on the beach. But it was large and open got a nice breeze. The large rooms did the same thing with the night air. Still, I was taught to use the powder and to also wear an undershirt when wearing polos and dress shirts. It really did make a difference.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | July 29, 2020 9:58 PM |
^^store the cold night air.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | July 29, 2020 9:59 PM |
R12: Did you live in that old Grand Hotel that is now apartments right on the beach? Because if so, my friend who lived there years ago went through the same thing. The building didn't allow any air conditioning units because of the historic character of the facade of the building or whatever. His apartment, inside, got to 90 degrees. YUCK!
by Anonymous | reply 34 | July 29, 2020 10:05 PM |
AC has totally screwed up our ability to withstand heat.
[quote] It has been reported previously that people who are acclimated to naturally ventilated (NV) environments respond to hot and warm environments differently than people who are acclimated to air-conditioned (AC) environments. To study whether living and working in NV or AC environments for long periods of time can lead to different types of physiological acclimatization, and whether physiological acclimatization has an important influence on people's responses of thermal comfort, measurements of physiological reactions (including skin temperature, sweat rate, heart rate variability, and heat stress protein 70) and thermal comfort responses were conducted in a 'heat shock' environment (climate chamber) with 20 people (10 in the NV group and 10 in the AC group). The results showed that the NV group had a significantly stronger capacity for physiological regulation to the heat shock than the AC group. In other words, the NV group did not feel as hot and uncomfortable as the AC group did. These results strongly indicate that living and working in indoor thermal environments for long periods of time affects people's physiological acclimatization. Also, it appears that long-term exposure to stable AC environments may weaken people's thermal adaptability.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | July 29, 2020 10:08 PM |
They didn’t. They’re all dead. Every last one of them. Dead.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | July 29, 2020 10:09 PM |
Insert Olivia de Havilland coment here. 😢
by Anonymous | reply 37 | July 29, 2020 10:11 PM |
R5 get yourself a nice cooling blanket. I have one and it’s great!
When I was younger and had no air-conditioning I would take a wet towel and place it on top of me and have the fan blowing over me. That was very cooling. Or wiping yourself down with a cold towel and then let the fan dry you off.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | July 29, 2020 10:28 PM |
Here in DC, people used to sleep in Rock Creek Park. (People still sleep in Rock Creek Park, of course, but they’re homeless.) These were whole families who would pack into the Model T and drive down to the water’s edge. I’ve seen some amazing old photos.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | July 29, 2020 10:50 PM |
On the eastern Seaboard, every city dweller who could afford to get away for the summer did so, they went to the beach or the mountains to breathe cool air and sleep. If the family had enough disposable income, the family would rent a house in a cooler climate for the summer, and the wife and kiddies would spend the summer there, and the husband would keep working and say in the hot city home one weeknights, and join his family for weekends and his official vacation. You know, the "Seven Year Itch" setup. Or the family would go to a resort of the mountain for weeks, the official family vacation would be spent escaping the heat of the cities.
Those who couldn't afford a second house for the summer but who had some vacation would go to "summer camps" for their vacations, where they'd live in rustic cabins or rental tents, and have affairs with the waiters.
All of the adult summer camps and most of the mountain resorts are gone now, they became obsolete when air conditioning and cheaper world travel came in.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | July 29, 2020 11:05 PM |
My mother grew up during the Depression and told me how common it was for her family to go to the riverside parks often, for the breeze and shady trees.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | July 29, 2020 11:08 PM |
I lived 8 years in a duplex that didn't have AC in LA. It was a first floor apartment, so that helped tremendously.
What r5 described above is much of what I learned to do. I closed all the windows and doors by early morning, 8 a.m. at latest. Pulled blinds shut too. Then I had several fans running throughout the apartment keeping air circulating. It helps to have one of those fans pointed toward the ceiling to have circulate air from upper part of room.
Then around 6 p.m, or so, I'd open the doors and windows and let the outside air come in. I'd open the backdoor too so there was a cross breeze. Then the apartment was usually at its hottest about 7 or 8 p.m. but things were cooling down. Usually by 9 or 10 p.m., the apartment was very pleasant.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | July 29, 2020 11:28 PM |
R39, my father was born in and grew up in, DC. I recall him telling me that when he was a kid in the 20's and 30's, his family used to go to Hains Point to sleep during the summer.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | July 29, 2020 11:41 PM |
I worked at home in an apartment that didn't have air conditioning. Company didn't care when I did my work as long as it was turned in by deadline.
During the hottest weeks, the apartment just got too hot to even think clearly by afternoon. So, I'd do my work during the middle of the night when it was coolest. I'd start work by midnight and work through the night. I'd be winding down by 8 a.m., then go to bed and sleep during the heat of the day. I had several fans pointed at my bed to be sure I stayed cool as I slept.
This schedule worked because I'm a night person anyway. But I managed to be very productive despite the lack of AC at my place.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | July 30, 2020 12:25 AM |
[quote] Do people still jigger fire hydrants, so that kids can play in the spraying water?
r1 What did you call me?
by Anonymous | reply 45 | July 30, 2020 12:29 AM |
Very cool, r43! Thanks for sharing that.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | July 30, 2020 2:13 AM |
We all had no A/C back in the day (60's). We would utilize fans in the windows blowing out. That helped a lot. When I visited a relative they had an attic Fan which drew from the windows up through the attic. That worked great on hot evenings.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | July 30, 2020 2:13 AM |
I grew up in the Northeast in a large Victorian with no air conditioning. The climate was different in the 1960s through 1980s in that we didn’t really have oppressive heat except for a few weeks in August. We kept the blinds closed during the day and opened every window upstairs at night. The backyard was cooler than the street so we’d do a big wind tunnel moving the air from the back out the front windows of the house. We’d also do the same on the first floor and sleep with just the screen door in place not the big solid wooden one. (How the flimsy lock on the screen door was supposed to protect us I will never know.) My great-aunt was the last person I knew with the actual canvas awnings on her house. She had the awning man come every year in the late spring to clean & repair them then install them. After he died it became my father’s responsibility until she passed away. The awnings were relatively expensive. It was considered déclassé to have awnings of different fabrics that didn’t match. They made the house noticeably cooler but they also cut down on the amount of natural light in any room because, depending on your choice, they could hang very low. The metal awnings were a pain because once they were up, they were up. They cutoff the sunlight. Plus, when it rained the sound of the rain hitting the awning was really loud.
Regarding the theaters, most did shut down for the summer. I do know of a 1927 former vaudeville house that seats 2,700 which didn’t get AC until Mariah Carey used it for a music video. they brought in huge tractor trailer AC units because the 1920s-1940s system of blowing the cool air up from the basement level was no match for the lights. And that reminds me that most large buildings/venues always smelled kind of musty in the summertime!
by Anonymous | reply 48 | July 30, 2020 2:41 AM |
Canvas awnings! I haven't seen or even thought about them in years, decades even.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | July 30, 2020 5:46 PM |
DC is horrible in the summer! So hot and muggy!
by Anonymous | reply 51 | July 30, 2020 9:35 PM |
A lot of them died back then from heat related illnesses.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | July 30, 2020 9:36 PM |
My great aunt and uncle lived in a rambling shack outside a small town in Ga. They were very poor . They had one of those attic exhaust fans they would turn on at night,and even after the hottest day youd have to have what she called a "summer blanket" because it would get chilly at night . I will always remember the sound of that fan,the breeze rushing through the window laden with the smell of the woods and dew,the crisp feel of the starched (and ironed) sheets. If I had one of those I could definitely see living without air conditioning. If I lived in the country .
by Anonymous | reply 54 | July 30, 2020 10:25 PM |
Oh, I've still got "summer blankets"! My AC is noisy and I don't like to have it on all summer, so for the warm or moderately hot days, I've got some lightweight 100% cotton throws. They give you the feeling of being covered by a blanket, but are so breathable they don't warm me up.
As to how people survived during the summer in heavy Victorian clothing... there's a passage in one of the Sherlock Holmes stories, saying how London is stifling in a heat save, and the pavement is melting and ladies are fainting... and it's EIGHTY-FIVE DEGREES OUT. Here, that's an unusually cool summer day, Victorian clothing was designed for a much cooler climate than mine.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | July 30, 2020 10:40 PM |
People didn't live in the heat until the 50s. This is why Florida tripled in population, and Nevada and Arizona skyrocketed.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | July 30, 2020 10:49 PM |
Regarding Victorian clothing... women's summer dresses at least were made of the lightest of light cotton and linen, even if they wore several layers of clothing all of the layers were breathable. A lady might be comparatively comfortable on a hot day in a lightweight frock like this, if she could maybe go without her corset for once.
As for the men... well, a farmer might be okay, in his denim overalls and cotton shirt and broad-brimmed hat. A Gentleman might have lightweight summer suits of linen, and heavy winter suits of wool... but what about the middle-class man? The typical middle-class man had ONE good wool suit, which he would wear six days a week, and maybe a different suit for his sunday best. Imagine wearing the same three-piece suit all year round, changing your underwear and linen to keep sweat from ruining it, brushing it instead of washing it, and the only concession to climate being long underwear underneath in winter.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | July 30, 2020 10:50 PM |
Human whirlybirds would cool people off. Yet another vocation killed by technology.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | July 30, 2020 11:05 PM |
This is why the Broadway theater season starts in the fall, because that was when you could start going back into the theaters. And why there was a thing known as Summer Stock.
I've read that people would drag mattresses into Central Park and sleep there. It would be quite social, with families hanging out together, and children running all over the place.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | July 30, 2020 11:14 PM |
I was a Peace Corps volunteer in sub Saharan Africa. I did not have running water and had spotty electricity. You get used to it.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | July 30, 2020 11:20 PM |
R61here - I wanted to add that my house had a shiny corrugated metal roof, which essentially turned my home into a solar cooker. Sometimes me and my neighbors would sleep outside, but you had to worry about mosquitos, dog -sized rodents and snakes.
I must admit a lot of my calories came from alcohol.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | July 30, 2020 11:27 PM |
As someone noted up thread, life expectancy (circa 1700s) was about 30 years - I'm referring to England now. Plus they had disease, hunger, poverty and whatever else to contend with. So guessing heat wasn't likely as big an issue as it is for us now. Mind you, maybe U.K. was cooler in that era.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | July 30, 2020 11:44 PM |
They had ice
by Anonymous | reply 64 | July 31, 2020 12:16 AM |
Also, people in those days STANK to high heavens!
by Anonymous | reply 65 | July 31, 2020 12:23 AM |
Lawdy, Miss Scahlet! Cap'n Butlah sho do smell pahful muskeh!
by Anonymous | reply 66 | July 31, 2020 12:33 AM |
When I was a kid people had these basic cabins or cottages, no heat, usually no TV, you went away for the whole summer, to the ocean, or a lake - the mom and the kids. Dad would come up on the weekends, if he worked close enough. Then people started getting pools, and AC, and didn't go away as much.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | July 31, 2020 1:48 AM |
R67 me, too. We swam all day, ate really simple inexpensive food, and slept really profoundly. These cabins (we called them camps) had wood surfaces (knotty pine was also common). This was the early 1970’s. I remember a lot of bright orange and lime green clothing, and we drank Kool-Aid and a drink called Zarex, that was like a concentrated syrup that you added to pitchers of water to sweeten it. We borrowed a friend’s beach parking permit and swam in the ocean, and then returned to the lake in the evening. We would jump in the lake to rinse off the sand and salt from the ocean, and the lake felt like bathwater. We ate potato chips and potato sticks that had sand on them. There were only a few types of chips. We ate a brand called Old King Cole I think. Good times. I’ve inherited that cottage but it’s rebuilt fancier now, and can be used year round. This all happened in Northern New England.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | July 31, 2020 2:40 AM |
If you had at least a modest house or a middle class apartment, it was typical to have a "sleeping porch"--sometimes screened, sometimes open. Basically that's where you slept in the summer. They had them in the North--our 1920s house had one. They certainly had them in the South---that's why a "charleston" style house has an upstairs porch. Over time, people often "winterized" porches (adding windows and access to heat) and often people with a screened porch had storm windows for it that they'd put up in the colder months and then use the porch for storage. My first apartment in DC had an old sleeping porch that was essentially a spare room although you needed to bring in a space heater and use outlets outside of it to make it work as a home office.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | July 31, 2020 2:55 AM |
How did people survive before OnlyFans?
by Anonymous | reply 70 | July 31, 2020 3:02 AM |
My grandmother was a Southern belle in the 1920s and she told me that all properly raised young Southern girls knew to dip a ball of cotton in alcohol and swab their pits if they started to stink. She said if you were at a party you might do it several times over the course of the night. And if their boyfriends started to stink, they'd make them either do the same thing or at least go scrub their underarms with soap.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | July 31, 2020 3:12 AM |
Serial killers love people who sleep with their windows open.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | July 31, 2020 3:13 AM |
What I want to know is now mold didn’t grow on everything in extremely humid environments before air conditioning?
My aunt used to open her door and not run the air conditioning in her apartment in Georgia. All her clothes and furniture became covered in mold and mildew. The drawers of all her furniture swelled so they were totally stuck.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | July 31, 2020 3:43 AM |
Men would not work with women, because the men stunk.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | July 31, 2020 5:57 AM |
It was a dry heat!
by Anonymous | reply 75 | July 31, 2020 8:38 AM |
[quote]AC has totally screwed up our ability to withstand heat.
As a kid and a teen in the 1970s and 1980s I went to school in buildings without air conditioning, and my parents refused to turn it on most of the time. And I got sick a LOT. Passed out a few times, and so did some other kids at school. Lost weight every summer from being unable to eat and getting dehydrated. Couldn't sleep until after midnight when it would finally get to below 80F outside, and woke up stuffy and feeling gross from a fan blowing in all night long.
I absolutely do not buy the theory that people were fine without air conditioning and now they're just spoiled.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | July 31, 2020 9:00 AM |
Wonderful post, r68. Do you recall the food you ate? I'm struggling to remember what we ate back in the 60s in the summer. I was just a kid.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | July 31, 2020 12:35 PM |
R77 I do. We cooked out on a small hibachi often, because the gas oven would heat up the cottage. We ate hamburgers and hot dogs (some had red membranes on them). I remember big bowls of potato and macaroni salad, usually with only a few ingredients (elbow macaroni, Chopped egg, mayonnaise, diced celery and a tiny amount of onion and/green bell pepper, a teaspoon of vinegar, salt, pepper, paprika /rough chopped potatoes, mayo, chopped boiled egg, minced white or red onion, salt, pepper). We also had a big pot of something called American Chop Suey (elbow macaroni, browned hamburger, tomato soup and possible tomato paste, green bell pepper, topped with cheap Parmesan cheese in a green metallic cardboard shaker). In mornings we ate a lot of scrambled eggs (fixed in a big square electric skillet), and blueberry pancakes (w picked about 30 quarts of berries each summer). In the 70’s we probably had margarine and imitation syrup like Aunt Jemima), but switched to Land O’Lakes butter and real maple syrup around 1980. We also ate a lot of tuna sandwiches, and peanut butter and grape or strawberry jam, on cheaper whole wheat bread in a yellow wrapper). For treats we had cheap chocolate chip cookies, and peanut butter cookies (but when or grandmother cake she made real chocolate chip cookies and peanut butter cookies creased with a fork hatchwork patter on top, and that was a big, BIG deal). We had inexpensive steaks on the hibachi on weekends (cheap cuts marinated in salad dressing), and someimes Our dad would dice the leftover steak and make fried rice in the same big electric skillet (sautéed onions, butter, reheated diced beefsteak, cooked rice, an egg, and a ton of soy soy sauce). We would have been swimming all day, so we would gobble down anything they fed us. When company came to sleep over, we were excited because they’d bring treats we did not often have, like Orleans, pop tarts, cheese balls, and potato sticks (spelled stix?). When Pepperidge Farm gingerbread men and chessman cookies arrived, we thought that was “rich people food”.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | July 31, 2020 2:26 PM |
I had elderly relatives down South who felt the same way about air conditioning as Miss Welty.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | July 31, 2020 2:31 PM |
My worst memory of not having AC was in college in Delaware in the 1980s. The dorms were hot as hell until mid October. On very hot September days it was really unbearable. Fans were no help.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | July 31, 2020 2:44 PM |
Window fans work best turned outward, acting as an exhaust.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | July 31, 2020 2:50 PM |
R5, I live in Manhattan and do what you do. Since I don't own stock in Con Edison, see no reason to run an air conditioner 24/7.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | July 31, 2020 3:03 PM |
I can tell you how we dealt with not having AC in cars. That little triangular window that used to occur as part of the driver's and front passenger's windows was brilliant. You could direct a generous stream of air right across your face and neck. Unless there was a hot wind, you were never hot unless you were an unfortunate kid in the back. I bet they only got rid of that design feature when they introduced car AC, because they knew nobody would switch it on while they had The Window.
R35's observation seems to work the other way as well. I'm in Australia, and central heating is very uncommon here. People who come from overseas (and stay in homes rather than air conditioned hotels) always say they freeze in the winter here, whereas we find central heating oppressive - way too hot - when we travel.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | July 31, 2020 3:07 PM |
When I see 1800 photos of grand ladies on Fifth Avenue in their full regalia, think of them stepping into horse shit from the many carriages.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | July 31, 2020 3:07 PM |
In cities, people slept on fire escapes,
by Anonymous | reply 85 | July 31, 2020 3:11 PM |
I read an article a few years ago that explained why shore houses on the Jersey shore didn't need air conditioning years ago because they were designed so that the sea breeze could flow through all the rooms from front to back. The houses were spaced further apart too. Now the houses are all on top of each other and the air can't circulate from the ocean so you need AC now.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | July 31, 2020 3:13 PM |
Civilization developed in the most arid and hottest places on the planet (Mesopotamia, Egypt, etc.), and that's pretty much where humans lived for at least a couple of thousand years before venturing anywhere else in any significant numbers. They had learned early on to adapt to their environment. If all you've ever known and experienced is 100 degree plus temperatures by midday, you get used to it to a certain extent, and you find ways to mitigate it and make it more tolerable. Structures that provided shade (tents, buildings, palm trees), and of course, being near a large body of fresh water is what made life endurable. As for bathing, there is evidence that soap-like mixtures were commonly used for washing as far back as ancient Egypt.
As civilization expanded, they took this acquired knowledge with them wherever they settled, and learned how to amplify their means of adapting, right up until modern times when electricity, AC, and internal plumbing became the norm. It's what humans are driven to do. Adjust, progress, and keep moving forward. The exception being current times, where we seem to be regressing and heading in the direction of an existential threat.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | July 31, 2020 4:18 PM |
I don't mind heat, it's the humidity that kills me.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | July 31, 2020 5:10 PM |
A bit if nostalgia about Southern homes equipped with what we called "attic fans" -- big fans in a hall ceiling that blew hot air from the house upward into the attic and out of the dwelling through gable vents.
Those you who remember these fans may also recall the slamming of doors when the contraption was first turned on.
Most homes had household door stops that kept door partially open but not wide open, affording a modicum of privacy.
These door stops could be stones, bricks (usually wrapped with cloth or paper), a cast metal figurine, a flower pot, or even a shoe if nothing else was available.
If I ever build a house, I am installing an attic fan. They're great in the Spring and Fall.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | July 31, 2020 5:19 PM |
A guy I work with has an attic fan and no ac. Year after year, every summer. The humidity in Kansas City is oppressive, I don't know how he can tolerate it.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | July 31, 2020 5:41 PM |
You were up in Maine, weren’t you, r78? The Zarex and the red hotdogs were clues. I remember both.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | July 31, 2020 6:47 PM |
An old Jewish lady in the Bronx told my mother that her apartment had "cross wentilation."
by Anonymous | reply 92 | July 31, 2020 6:56 PM |
I had a New York apartment with cross ventilation. It really cooled off the place. Old buildings were built right to keep inhabitants comfortable.
I remember working in my recently-built office with the temperature control that always left 3/4 of the floor uncomfortable. I could not wait to get out of that air conditioned nightmare to my cool, cross ventilated apartment.
by Anonymous | reply 93 | July 31, 2020 7:27 PM |
All brownstone floor throughs in Brooklyn have cross ventilation. Put box fans in the windows facing the street and suck air in from the back. One of my apartments was on a pretty big back court - a block of trees and grass. It was quite effective, unless a true heat wave arrived.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | July 31, 2020 11:25 PM |
My 1917 New York apartment has cross ventilation - 2 rooms face north, 2 rooms face south,. The apartment is on the west side of the building on the top floor and it always catches the prevailing wind. I generally don't have to use the a/c except in the afternoons and evenings, when the apartment is hottest.
Another pre-a/c note: a friend lived in a 1930s apartment house in Rego Park, and all the apartments had hinges on the exterior of the door frames, because originally louvered doors were put up in the summer time so people could leave the regular door open to get more air flow through the apartments - which sounds like a neat idea,
by Anonymous | reply 95 | August 1, 2020 12:17 AM |
R94, if you need a fan, you do not have cross ventilation.
With true cross ventilation, the air moves on its own. I do not understand why it does even when there is no breeze. My friend said that the air in an air shaft is colder than the air from other windows, so that it pulls the air through the apartment.
I do not know if that is true. But the air does move through the apartment even when it is still on the street.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | August 1, 2020 12:23 AM |
Cross ventilation is based on temperature and wind pressure. On a hot day on a busy street, you want to make sure the air is moving from the cooler space out back out through the windows facing the noisy, busy, dirty, hot street. Thus box fans.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | August 1, 2020 1:43 AM |
Yes R69 my grandparents and great grandparents’ houses in the south had sleeping porches as well as an older home before my parents remodeled it. Another grandfather said that growing up in Texas he would sometimes take a mattress out onto the lawn to get some breeze.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | August 1, 2020 2:11 AM |
my grandparents had sleeping porches in Connecticut and also at all summer houses.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | August 1, 2020 2:15 AM |
People went to the movies a lot. Theaters invested in cooling units, especially downtown ones.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | August 1, 2020 3:36 PM |
My freshman year of college (early 90s), I lived in a non-air-conditioned dorm. They still had those back then, even though it was fucking Florida. I had a box fan at the end of my bed and used it all night, every night, until the weather cooled off in October. At the end of the year, I got the fuck out of the dorms and found an apartment for my sophomore year. That next year, they put air conditioning in my former dorm. It was still a shithole, though.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | August 1, 2020 4:23 PM |
R101: So, the all important DL Question....how many of your male dorm mates did you see nude or at least in nothing but their under panties?
As an aside, the first dorm I lived in in 2000 in a university in Illinois also had no air conditioning. That was not fun, especially on the fourth floor. Moved to an air conditioned dorm the next year.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | August 1, 2020 4:43 PM |
Many of them, R102. There was one big, shared bathroom. The shower stalls had curtains, but young men aren't always careful about drawing them perfectly closed. There were also a couple of hot ex-high-school jock types who liked to walk around the bathroom mostly naked in the mornings. Good times.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | August 1, 2020 4:45 PM |
R103: I remember our showers had curtains, but a common changing area with a bench in the old 1960s un air conditioned dorm. I routinely got naked, got in, came out naked and toweled off in that area. A few others did too, one guy I still remember was toned, tall, with some fur, and a treasure trail that lead to a beautiful dick-- I can picture it still 20 years later. The others would reach out to grad the towel and dry off behind the curtain. They were no fun.....
by Anonymous | reply 104 | August 1, 2020 4:52 PM |
R100 Matinees in summer were (pre pandemic) full of seniors enjoying the extreme cold air in movie theaters. My mother used to do that, and always packed a light sweater (she lives in LA).
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