The Alienist Season 2 - "Angel of Darkness"

I love this show. I hope there will be more seasons even though there aren't any more books to adapt aside from a prequel and a story set in modern times.

I'm down.

Yeah, the first season was fantastic.

I wish Daniel Brühl would present dong one more time before her gets too old.

Did he do it before, R4?

Are there photos?

here you are, R5

Thanks, R6!

Looks nice.

Bruhl is unremarkable looking but I find him very sexy.

I liked the book better but the first season was decent and of course the cast is terrific. I'm in for season 2.

Same here, R8.

Bruhl has a quiet sort of attractiveness.

Luke is just gorgeous in season one.

I'm hoping that Brian Geraghty returns as Theodore Roosevelt. I loved him in Chicago P.D., and I think he was good in The Alienist.

I also liked Douglas Smith as the police detective. Especially when he bared his ass!

Will there be more "boy whores" this season?

Fuck YEAH!! Can’t wait!!!!!

I'm in. I loved Caleb Carr's novels and find this era in NY fascinating.

I'm watching season one On Demand, and it's really good.

Very suspenseful, and it also showcased not only NYC but the wealth disparity happening at that time.

Interestingly, it's very similar to today.

What happened to the Luke Evans character, after he was drugged in the boy whore bar?

I think that someone "took advantage" of him.

I loved Luke Evans in the Alienist

I liked the first book more than this one. Still will watch.

The first series was good but not outstanding. I wish they'd replace Dakota Fanning as she was the weak link in the cast.

Will still watch this new series as I didn't read that novel. The only other Carr book I read was the more recent SURRENDER NY, which was nothing more than an overwritten James Patterson-level novel.

Season one, episode two was amazing.

For anyone who doesn't think that Italians weren't the "Mexicans" of the early 1900's, then watch this episode. It shows them crowded in tenements, not speaking English, and living in squalor. It's a real eye-opener.

The grittiness of New York that the episode captures, is so vivid.

Throughout the series, you really get the feeling that you are transported back in time.

That is of course, until you hear some of the characters speak (as if they were living in 2018).

The scenery, the costumes and the styling were spot-on. The characters, not so much.

I give Bruhl and Evans a lot of credit, for being right in character. As mentioned above, Fanning really is the weak link.

Carr also wrote "The Italian Secretary". About Mary Queen of Scots, Earl of Bothwell, and, well, her Italian Secretary (Rizzo) who was murdered by her batshit crazy husband and his friends. Pretty good Holmes story.

R14 I thought that they stripped him naked and that the prostitutes all posed on bed with him while the owners of the brothel took pictures to use as blackmail material.

R20, I like to think the boy whores also took turns riding his cock.

I agree that Fanning is the weak link

I loved the first season, I didn't realize they would do another one.

Where will they go?

So we have to tune in weekly?

No binge-watch unless I wait until the end of the season?

I swore that the sequel was about a female serial killer, but the trailer and wiki write up didn’t sound like that?

Did Luke Evans attend the DeForest Kelley school of acting?

Oh, I think so!

[quote] I thought that they stripped him naked and that the prostitutes all posed on bed with him while the owners of the brothel took pictures to use as blackmail material.

No, R20. The boy whores definitely raped the Luke Evans character, as a warning to him to back off from the investigation.

I'm watching last season On Demand, and at the end of episode two, the bartender drugged him and right before he passed out, two more men came in the room. One was some kind of crime boss, and the other was the dirty Irish cop. Then the gangster guy said, "Come in here, girls." The scene ended with them surrounding him on the bed.

But confirmation that he was raped came in episode three. The dirty cop was recounting what happened to Moore, and he joked that Mr. Moore wouldn't be able to sit for a week. So clearly, the boy whores fucked him.

It is hard to miss though, because there was no other reference made to it.

[quote] I loved the first season, I didn't realize they would do another one.

Same here.

I'm hoping it'll be good, but my expectations will be low.

Second seasons of hit shows are never as good as the first.

I hadn't seen Evans in a good long time and everyone on DL was complaining what a withered old crone he is. So when I tuned in, I was so surprised that Evans was very handsome! The clothes, makeup and cinematography no doubt help.

The original program was mediocre at best.

For R18, the production design was crap. The made-for-the -film costumes were awful. For a film about prostitution, they knew nothing about how corsets were worn. Budapest looks nothing like 19th century NY and the interiors were more continental than American.

There were also some real clunkers as far a historical accuracy. The Dakota Fanning character would never smoke on a train. She would be thrown off at the next stop, if not while it was moving.

Once I saw Series 1 on DVD with no interruptions I loved it (although Fanning was still something to be endured). I'll wait again for Series 2 to run its course on broadcast TV, then watch it without commercials.

Raped by boy whores!

It's on tonight!

So is Dakota Fanning the "STAH" this season?

Last season it was hard to tell, because each of the characters seemed to get equal time. Even though Daniel Bruhl got top billing.

If this is going to be all about Dakota Fanning and "girl power," in the early 1900's, then I'm out.

I've had sufficient on that topic.

R23 There are two books in the series. They’ll go to book 2 - that’s why it’s called angel of Darkness . R28

[quote] The original program was mediocre at best.

Yes, but it featured Luke Evans getting raped by boy whores. A DL fave is born!

Dear Lord In Heaven!

Will there be more boy whores rapping in season two?

There was a third book but it’s in modern times. A fourth is due in ‘22

I simply must know how corsets ARE worn, dear R30. Be a doll and inform the hoi polloi. Thanks. I'd like to work the trottoir along Avenue Foch.

R40, well, for one, they are never worn directly next to the skin.

Forty five minutes into the first episode and I keep focusing on how tight Dakota's blouses are and how they appear to be squashing her boobs down flat.

Holy crap - they just showed a dead baby!

Gay character alert: In the second episode, Sarah (Dakota) and John (Luke Evans) visit a ritzy department store and one of the workers knows Dakota. He's very fey and he gets very flirty when he claps eyes on Luke.

Is that the guy who played Roose Bolton as the man who authorized the execution of the mother of the missing child? I know I've seen that guy before somewhere.

I like the show & she’s fine in it.

I can't believe I missed it!

How was the premiere?

Why does Bruhl sound like he got mush in his mouth....

the googley chick, Fanning, could do w/o her....miss sufragette chain smoking: how very independent, virgina.

I missed it dangit, 90 Day Fiance!!!

I'm Dakota Fanning's acting coach.

I thought it was coming out next weekend not this past weekend.

gory shlock. Trying way-yyyyyyyy too hard.

When will Caleb Carr be fucking canceled already?

Nobody is forcing you nasty bitches to watch it, if it's not your cup of tea. Sheesh!

Its awesome, like the first one was too.....cept for fanning, who seems to be in some horse pageant...

I love it. It's a period drama and the recreation of NYC at that time has been stunning. Season one was excellent. I Read the books years ago. I'm glad they made it into a TV series. I like the first book best, but the Angel of Darkness was very good. And I have always adored Dakota Fanning. I loved her screaming and screaming at Tom Cruise in War of the Worlds. My God she was a horrid child, but a brilliant actress. I also like the political message the casting sends that an openly Gay man who is out and proud can play a straight character who is the love interest of the woman character. I mean. We know Gay men have been playing straight for years, but this is up front in you face Gay man.

[quote]When will Caleb Carr be fucking canceled already?

Why? What did he do?

The (very international) supporting cast in season 1 was really good, including the creepy/incestuous Van Bergen family (with Sean Young playing the mother of Willem "Silver Smile" van Bergen, played by British actor Josef Antin, who is of Turkish descent and has an interesting look). David Wilmot, Ted Levine, and Ronan Vibert are also excellent in this.

[quote] the googley chick, Fanning, could do w/o her....miss sufragette chain smoking: how very independent, virgina

Oh, dear.

[quote] Willem "Silver Smile" van Bergen, played by British actor Josef Antin, who is of Turkish descent and has an interesting look

I agree! The first time I saw him, I thought he was cute.

Granted, his character was creepy, but the actor was pretty good looking.

[quote] I also like the political message the casting sends that an openly Gay man who is out and proud can play a straight character who is the love interest of the woman character

Wait, what?

Last season, I thought that it was the Kreizler character who had a crush on Dakota Fanning.

The Moore character didn't seem to be into her at all.

If you missed it, TNT will be running back to back re-run episodes of the premiere tonight.

you mean you watched all of Season one and never figured out Kreizler was in love with his housekeeper, Mary? The one who didn't speak? She was desperately in love with him and when he finally allowed himself to admit it he was in love with her too. Sheesh! In fact, Luke Evan's character keeps dropping hints and he adores Dakota's character. Finally admits it.

All of you who saw this please tell me, because I checked and it won't be on in my area until next weekend. Two hour premiere.

[quote] Luke Evan's character keeps dropping hints and he adores Dakota's character

But what about the boy whores?

I honestly thought that Luke was going to adopt one of them.

It will be rerun on TNT tonight, R61.

I'm starting to watch it right now. I wonder why I couldn't access it a few hours ago......

Alice Krige is in it. I love her.

Dakota looks like she could be Daniel Brühl's mother!

And her insufferable intonation!!!!!!!!!

Well, IMO none of them distinguished themselves in these first two episodes. Well...Luke did.... except he needs to get rid of the hats.

Two episodes, R67?

I thought there was only one so far? It premiered on Sunday.

TNT showed two episodes in a row, R68

A lot of shows do that these days. They air two or three episodes to get viewers hooked and then make them wait for new episodes.

.....

The first two episodes were excruciatingly dull. I miss the boy whores.

Same here, R72.

I never realized it until now, but I just watched because of the boy whores.

Speaking of, I'm glad that Stevie (Matt Lintz) is back! I missed him as Henry on the Walking Dead, so it's nice to see him on a regular basis on The Alienist.

I also enjoyed Douglas Smith’s ass.

It's a slower boil, that's for sure.

Two of Matt Lintz' siblings were also on The Walking Dead.

Most notably, Madison Lintz who played Carol's daughter Sophia.

R76, I love her on Bosch. She has such elegance.

I can't watch anything with Dakota Fanning in it. I really wanted her character in War of the Worlds to die.

Dakota looks like she lost a lot of weight since last season.

Is it just me or is Dakota less wooden and more relaxed?

I saw the first episode last night. I tried to be positive. I tried to ignore the opening that seemed to be basically a direct steal from Babylon Berlin (I don't remember that part in the book), but the fiance in her Joann's Fabric, Disney Princess dress is where I just lost it. DK seems to be wearing a modern orthopedic corset rather than a period corset; yet, she still has terrible posture. Her costumes are not only weirdly made to accentuate he coat hanger shoulders, but fit poorly as well. And, dresses with trains were not worn to walk your baby in the park. While I am at it, where was the lady's maid or nanny? A woman of her status, particularly a Spanish lady, would not leave the house without a servant. Indeed, the entire Spanish Embassy was weirdly devoid of servants.

I would love to know why the set dresser has a fetish for machine embroidered Indian fabrics. This was a problem in the first series as well. There would be a scene in a rundown tenement attic, and there would be a curtain of embroidered Indian silk. WTF?????

Needless to say, I would not notice all of this shit if the story or performances were engaging.

Sorry, DF (Dakota Fanning) not DK.

naw, she more wooden, playing the part as if she a wooden indian on porch of some general store down the street,

to think chloe sevigny had the part almost.

gagging with discretion.....

Dakota Cornball i meant....

[quote]to think chloe sevigny had the part almost.

Isn't she about two decades too old? Or was the production really in development for that long?

R81, that was brilliant!

I'd love to see you call out the costume and set designers with your observations.

They would be fucking humiliated!

It just further shows how low Hollywood standards are, and how lazy the people who do the research are, as well.

R86, I don't know how brilliant my comments were. I suspect the designer's response would be that only a "fag" would notice details such as that (though the costume designers are both male).

Trust me R81/R87 you know your shit.

These people making movies now, and doing costumes and set design, seem to think that they are all "experts." They relish in the accolades and awards.

Someone like you could totally blow them the fuck out of the water.

R88 To their credit, aren't they filming this in Budapest or something? It’s not like they can Uber to Mood and get some great period fabric or hit up the Hollywood prop houses in the valley.

R89, I am aware of that and I was actually going to mention it in my post* and then I deleted it because it really isn't an excuse. Fabrics can be ordered well in advance and shipped to location. Since everything is made in either China or India nowadays, it is not as if one has to worry about getting material from a US mill. For my bitching about the Indian, machine embroidered silks, India does produce some wonderful period appropriate fabrics.

There is no reason for that horrid lavender gown (and it is lavender not "Violet"). (Though, I would also like to know the excuse for the "actress" and I use the word loosely. ) These shows are planned way in advance. There are numerous costume houses in England and Italy with good period stock. To get really technical, the actress is only seen from the waist up as I recall. They could have made a decent period bodice and faked the skirt.

As to the Indian fabric, there is no reason why the crib should be draped in a floral fabric. A plain white or ecru lace or netting would have been more accurate. The embroidered fabric made it look like a gypsy caravan.

*Actually, I did mention it in R30.

I heart you, R90.

It's so nice to hear from someone who actually knows what they're talking about. For once. In 2020.

Most people nowdays, are fucking clueless and ignorant.

The shots of the Spanish envoy’s house being adjacent to what I guess is supposed to be Central Park with their streets paved in cobblestones was breath taking. It captured that time period for me even if it wasn’t authentic and made me envy those who still live in such beautiful places and glad to know they exist.

R91, some are clueless and ignorant, but a lot is intentional. I don't mind playing fast an loose with period as was done in the 2016 War and Peace. It was clearly a choice. I suspect a lot of what was done in The Alienist was done with intention, but of the "I don't really care." kind.

99.999% of people (even knowledgeable ones) aren't going to care about Indian fabric. Whining about how "people today" don't know anything is silly because old movies and shows are so much worse with period accuracy

R94, I suspect we have had this discussion before. First, there is benchmark by which film design is judged, basically before Merchant/Ivory- Masterpiece Theater, and after Merchant/Ivory-Masterpiece Theater. The hyper-accurate production of the two made is basically impossible to be historically inaccurate without it being an intentional design choice. The early films may not have been accurate, but the had a style. Their historical world exists in a cohesive whole. Again, the same can be said for the 2016 War and Peace or any other film that play fast-and-loose with historical accuracy with intention. The problem is productions that have the intention of being historically accurate and have glaring sloppiness. I am not talking about productions that use Teddy Bears 10-15 years before they were invented. I am talking about throwing in a 1950s dress and expecting us to accept that it is 1890s.

R88, I am seeing episode two tonight. I will post my thoughts, even if you are the only one who is interested.

R90 Are you sure the dress was not mauve? I’m sure you know the history and importance of that color.

R96, yes, and yes.

R97 I think I’m going to have to disagree with you. The 1890s are literally known as the mauve decade. And by this time Perkins had developed extensive variations of tints of mauve dyes, making a wide range of variations on the color. The character’s name is Violet and she is shown wearing the color twice in both her scenes and it’s one the detonates upper class and wealth, so they are obviously reinforcing all these ideas with her clothing.

On the website below you can actually read a statement for the micro shift in fashion for 1897 and the way her clothes reflect that. For 1898 it goes on to specifically mention the return of the princess line and most likely she’s a trend setter and actually establishes the on coming trend if recently returned from Paris and a visit to Worth. I don’t think the costume designers are coloring outside the lines as extreme as you would make it seem.

The website is the a Greater Bay Area Costume’s Guild and looks to be quite reputable, it’s not just some crazy lady with a vintage clothes collection.

Sorry, this is the link for 98.

Here’s a nice behind the scene look at costuming for the show. Michael Kaplan maybe best know for Star Wars and Blade Runner, but he has done extensive period costuming as well.

U CAN have the most fab costumes/sets/ in the world, but when that lame hen dakota eff comes out with her bug fish eyes, u know the jig is up.... lite the ladys cig : she is a libber !

Oh my mercy, in that above pic, miss fanning looks like the whore my daddy left my mommy for, she took in washing for years, but after marrying dad, she was so rich she smoked Pall Mall menthols and wore red pretty ribbons from her spectacles.

I'm so into this season. The two episodes flew by.

R97, by definition mauve has more grey than blue. The designers may be intending mauve, but they are using lavender.

E2 wasn't as bad as the first episode, but something is definitely up with Violet. You have a actress with no period look, no period style, who is consistently filmed in gowns that are more 1950s than 1890s. I wonder if the actress who was to play Violet pulled ou at the very last minute and they were forced to pull costumes from the local opera house.

Got a cheap thrill out of seeing Melanie Field in the first episode. I wasn't initially sold on the Heathers TV show, but I rather liked it and with no small part because of her hilarious performance.

This is from last season, but insightful in regards to the costume design. He sounds very rigorous and did scour costume houses in L.A., London, Paris, Rome and Vienna to flesh out the clothes for the extras. He also chooses a color palette for each character and did dress Dakota in mauve for a scene in Delmonicos. I love that he mentions Luke’s vanity at the end.

The set is quite amazing.

This video is very cool as you can move your device 360 degrees, or swipe with your finger or cursor, to view the whole scene, ceiling to floor or side to side.

So, there are going to be two episodes every week?!?

Pity those lovely gowns, cept for the smarmy violet one, are wasted on the vacuous blonde lead lady.

Two weeks per episode? In the past that was considered as burning off the remaining episodes of a flop. Though in the times of binge-watching that might be a compromise between old school TV and Netflix streaming (aka binge-watching an entire season within days).

[quote] Two weeks per episode?

LOL. Sorry, Of course I mean two episodes per week.

Each episode just *feels* like two weeks.

Two new episodes tonight!

Why does everyone on the show this season speak in "breathy" whispers?

It's really annoying.

Last season they all spoke normally.

Is this their version of "acting?"

Did everyone whisper in tonight's episode?

Laszlo mumbles...cant understand his words, wtf with him????

At the end of the 2nd episode tonight, did it look like the red-haired nurse had black teeth? I was distracted during the show, so did I miss something or does my TV needs adjusting?

I missed it tonight. Did Luke Evans wear those ridiculous hats again? I love him. I want to see him have sex with whoors.

Where are the boy whores this season, goddammit??!!!!

R118. Yes, she had black teeth, charcoal, as in the antidote to the poison used on the first baby.

I do enjoy this show, it’s very atmospheric. The sets and costuming are well done, reminds me of “The Knick”, which was amazing.

You know which character I can’t stand? That humbling crying señora. One doesn’t feel sympathy for her.

Bumbling*

Can't they replace Dakota Fanning? With anyone really. Terrible casting.

This is the second historical drama a Fanning girl has ruined. Elle never should have been chosen to play Catherine the Great. Awful, awful casting.

Ooh, I love Daniel Brühl. He looks more Spanish than German.

Does bruhl have throat cancer? his voice sounds as if he is deep in a dank well.

Miss fanning's character should be eliminated before her eyeballs roll out of her buggy head, and tht little hat is put bak on some forelorn barbie doll..

only Prince Luke saves the show.

both this one and Perry mason are knee deep in dead babys......tiresome.

Luke is the worst thing about the show R128, gruff expressionless voice and lines on his face that reek of cigarettes.

D Fanning is the bottom talent in this cast , and alas this season has so much of her. tedious and fanny one note....

last season had more interesting sub plots, the boys whores, the slum people, ruffians, etc

IM TIRED OF THE KILLING OF THE BABIES STUFF

The Alienist isn't that good. Babylon Berlin is far better in terms of story, costumes, and acting. Even World on Fire is better. Both shows also give gay characters.

I'm not at all educated in history & fashion like the expert who commented before, but even I noticed how unflattering Dakota's costumes were, or maybe her terrible posture/proportions. And, like he said, I did think it unusual that the rich Spanish lady was about town with no servant. Dakota's W's pronunciation is jarring and the story this season is bland. Disappointing.

R130, for us to care about the taking of the babies, we have to care about the mothers. And none of the mothers have any character development to warrant caring about them.

How does it compare to "Penny Dreadful"?

Anything is better than the dreadful Penny Dreadful, flop of the season.

But Alienist getting more shitty with each episode. Why must we be forced to look more and more at FAnning's turgid face, she in it too much. More laszlo and luke la evans.

Needs new characters too, same 3 is jus to much/little, alas. Is like a replay of first season, but with dead babys thrown it for shit effect.

R134, unfortunately, you complaints go back to the original book series. The second book was not anywhere as good as the first. The author simply did not know where to go with the characters. The "third" book, set in contemporary times also bombed as I recall.

I'm watching it for the costumes, the atmosphere and Luke Evans. I wish he's do more work. Get better parts. He should be more famous and more successful. He can look sexy just sitting there reading a news paper. I'm not a huge Bruhl fan. He seems like a sneaky fellow. I think Dakota doesn't work for me because she has no range, and it's hard to think of her as an adult, when she still has the face of her 10 yr old self and every time I look at her I expect her to scream the way she did in War of the Worlds. When the aliens took her I was glad.

R136, I am not sure what you mean by "sneaky", but Bruhl is definitely an actor who is only in it for the money. It is a business to him, nothing more.

I really disagree with the poster upthread who hated Elle Fanning in The Great. I thought she nailed it, comedically and dramatically. She is, by far, the more talented sister.

honey she dint nail this one...

What I meant by "sneaky" is his physicality. His looks don't appeal to me. He looks like he is underhanded or something. Shifty. I'm probably wrong and he's a wonderful guy and maybe we should have dinner some day, but that's just how he strikes me. And of course standing next to Luke there's just no contest. Luke is The Sex. He is lovely, talented, charismatic, and I'd love to have dinner with him...and breakfast after that.

[quote] IM TIRED OF THE KILLING OF THE BABIES STUFF

I totally agree.

Bring back the BOY WHORES!

I'm enjoying the show, but aren't the accents a little all over the place?

R142 Actually I would think late 19th Century NYC that would be very true to history.

I want Luke to fondle me....

Agree 100% with the comments upthread about Violet being completely wrong for the period - her body type, her costuming, her entire bearing and presentation. Fanning looks similarly out of place in a ball gown, plus she walks like a truck driver, not like a society lady. It takes me out of the story. If they’re going to adopt period speech and not use contractions, then they should learn how to carry themselves appropriately. Oddly, the minor female characters are much better in this regard.

Violet is wearing modern eye makeup.

Were bachelor parties really a thing then?

R147 They go back to Ancient Roman times.

Agree that the Laszlo actor needs better diction,,,,,drumble city, too bad.

shitty script this year, but yay luke, nay on blonde bitch with the tiny straw black hat in ev scene....BORING FANNING

Violet looks too old for the role. I thought she was about 5 years younger than her godfather. I can't imagine her being about 20 years younger.

Interview with the three leads, for those interested:

Was the female alienist at the party played by Lara Pulver? She looked like it only older.

At least Doyle is back even though he's a bad cop, he's kinda hot.

wish doyle played Fanning's part....him purdy, she aint.

I thought there was one boywhore that John befriended and worked for him?

i think in the book its....clear he is bi, if not total homo....xoxox

Those multiple scenes of the dude breastfeeding from crazy Libby is making me cringe.

Why do I think something fatal is going to happen to John's fiancée? She has to go so John can be with Sara. I vote that Libby kills her in a mad frenzy of revenge for being caught.

mmmm nice chest/tit shot of the cute gangster guy who is fukin/sukin the crazy nurse murdereress

so far them 2 are the only fun ones in this series

Why did they make the pop eyed Fanning the main protaganist this season???

Grave error...

I like it but I cam mot remember to watch it.

You missing nothing, its the story of a goldfish detective lady.

R151 Thanks for that. They can put expression into their voices. Yet they use a monotone on TV.

R160 I see what you did there. Are you basing that on an actual announced medical diagnosis of Fanning or just making and extended joke?

Im a bit disappointed with the slow plot, but all in all its better than most of the crap on tv

Luke Evans is so damn sexy, but he's kind of a hard looking 41.

Damn shame his part so small this season, prob why viewership is down.

Ratings are down because The Alienist is now competing with Yellowstone, which is a juggernaut.

So Moore and Howard fuck. But the previews do not look good for our sweet Luke Evans. Not good at all. And there's definitely something very spooky about Lazlo's new love interest. Although one dares not call it love, no?

Set design.

R168 there are only 2 books so kinda moot. Then with streaming it just lives forever. (A third book was set in modern times)

Is the 3rd book set in modern times but w/the same characters?

R172 no- new set of characters. There is a proper follow up due late next year or 2022

I'm new to this series, and I'm enjoying this season. I'll have to backtrack and watch the first season for sure.

[quote]Luke Evans is so damn sexy, but he's kind of a hard looking 41.

Oddly, he's got a marionette line on one side of his face. If he added some fillers that will refresh his face and plump it up a bit, as long as he doesn't go overboard.

Luke evans was great in taboo - at least i remembered him as great. Then i heard his album & it wasn’t good. That is all

cAN THEY repLACE LA fannING IN THE nexT ONe ?

Luke is a heavy smoker, that is why is face is melting.

[quote]If he added some fillers that will refresh his face and plump it up a bit, as long as he doesn't go overboard.

Men should NEVER get "fillers"--they look even worse on them than on women. Grotesque. Quitting smoking will do more for his looks and at least won't distort his face.

I got bored and just stopped watching after episode 4.

[quote]Men should NEVER get "fillers"--

I'm just talking about that divet on his right side that looks like a marionette line.

Though, I agree he should give up smoking.

It seems to be getting lots of press this seasons with articles and interviews around every corner.

R183 That's because it's an Emmy winning series. It deserves it.

I have only watched up to episode 3. But The Entertainer was written in 1902 and could not be played in 1897.

emmys can be bought like the golden globes, common knowledge.....same with oscars

So what if he has a line on his face? It gives him character.

R187 Okay, Luke. Premature lines are not okay for your age and career.

R186 No Emmies bought for this show, because there is no need for it.

You got me, R188.

I'm Fucking Luke Evans. Rolling around here to see what you knuckleheads think of my face.

I personally liked, "Angel of Darkness" over the first novel. Even though Moore's fiance's appearance was ghastly (eye makeup?!), it was to show to new viewers how completely unsuitable she is for him, as Sara so succinctly points out in Ep 3 or 4. I still can't stand Dakota as Sara- she's supposed to be plucky and have a sense of humor, always whipping out her gun at the slightest affront.

I do love Lara Pulver as the possible love interest/colleague of Kriezler, she was a terrific Irene Adler in, "Sherlock".

We got Luke's side-butt.

Luke has what they used to call "rugged good looks." Any work will make him look like that disaster Rupert Everett.

Was Laszlo drinking absinthe with the lady doctor?

Yes, r194. That's the only drink that I can think of that involves a green liquid poured over a sugar cube.

What happened that got Absinthe banded.

R196, absinthe is pretty gross -- tastes like anise and black licorice. I remember you could only get it in the Czech Republic and a few other places before the bans were lifted.

In other news, Luke has a nice ass. Will they show Laszlo's ass?

Luke is Welsh. He drinks and smokes. A lot. Sometimes he looks so rough I wonder if he isn't five or ten years older than he admits to. But I love him and he is sexy hot.

Interesting, r196.

[quote] Why did they make the pop eyed Fanning the main protaganist this season??? Grave error...

She's why I stopped watching. I tuned into the first episode, and I was done. Dakota Fanning cannot carry a series like this by herself.

They have relegated Luke Evans and Daniel Bruhl to the background this season, which is a huge mistake. They're why people tuned in last season.

I don't know why Hollywood tries to take a successful series carried by men, and then tries to twist it around and make the female the main character. Of course, in hopes that people will all of a sudden watch for the female character. WRONG. It's a bait and switch that will never work.

I'm not at all surprised that the ratings are down this season. I'm usually really good at predicting which shows will be popular and which ones won't, and I knew that this season would be a flop.

The minute I knew that they were making Dakota Fanning the star, I could tell it was over.

Thankfully, the finale is on Sunday. Poor Luke.

The second book is about Sarah, and this season is based on the second book. So, what is your point, now, R200?

And I like her in the role.

Does anyone else think the female alienist is a figment of Kriezers imagination? No one else has met her or seen her. He only sees her when he drinks absinthe.

It seemed to me Sarah was the main character in the first season as well.

Dakota had to transition to a grown assed woman with a romance attached at some point. She is far too talents to be relegated to Rom Com bullshit. Honestly. I always felt if she could recover from War of the Worlds with Tom Cruise, and all that fucking screaming, she can do anything. Her screaming traumatized me.

This is just DL hating on women.

Yawn. I think she's fine but my momma didn't fuck me up.

F203 no one thinks that.

He met her at a public event (no drinking) and he saw her before the absinthe was poured.

the female part deserved a more accomplished actress than fanning. her range of emotion covers the gamut from a to b..

She's doing the same thing as Gillian Anderson and there were no complaints with her acting in the X-Files.

I am not compelled by this baby-napping villainess. Her boyfriend is kinda hot, though. The narrative needs some reveals and surprises and we aren't getting enough of them. I enjoyed the simulation of one of the Vanderbilt 5th Ave fauxtaux.

Many complained about G Anderson in x files as a jonny one note....she was awful....the hot guy in that show, and the good writing carried that show to success, not the pitiful gillian. she ruined many a movie...but she has name value cause of X.

The actress playing Libby Hatch could play a sister or a younger version of Nicole Kidman.

Agree, this plot not as compelling as last one, wish had more of hottie Bruhl...

[quote] anyone else think the female alienist is a figment of Kriezers imagination?

That would be an interesting concept. It would mean Kreizler's psyche is messed up.

[quote]The actress playing Libby Hatch could play a sister or a younger version of Nicole Kidman.

I was thinking the same thing. Well, the Nicole Kidman, younger sister thing.

Dakota's sister, Elle, would have made an excellent Sarah. She's prettier and quite a good actress.

Indeed, elle is on thousand times better actress than her fugly big sister.....dakota is an insult to the show

I really don't mind Dakota. I think she's a good actress. It's her bad posture that bugs me.

I like Dakota. But she has no sex appeal. No chemistry with my Luke. Nada.

im pissed they killed off Laszlo's cute bf, that kid who hung himself....bummer

odd the director did not see they were undermining this series with too much emphasis on fanning, and not more on the studs: bruhl and evans. he mus be str8, alas.... i wager ratings are down from last series

RIP paulie....cute boy.

What does Bruhl smoke? his deep damaged craggy voice must have seen punishment from thousands of cigs. 2 bad. throat cancer is not pretty.

He rolls his own R222

R218 Isn’t she rigid like that because of the corsets?

Luke Evans' next project:

Fuck Disney.

I prefer this project and like the entire cast, even the German drug addict.

So it wraps up tonight, somehow this seems even quicker than a bingeable streaming series?

So, I’m a getting this right? Libby’s boyfriend supports her in stealing babies because it will prolong her ability to nurse and he too wants her breast milk? Also, what did women who lost babies or gave them up for adoption do before breast pumps were invented to relieve them of the fluid?

Did the costumers hat Fanning? tht black barbie doll hat on her head, its ridic and makes her look like a fool. Makes her eyes look enormous.

This season so weak, letting tht woman lead the show is a poor decision.

The crook who is sukiin the tits of the killer red head is hot, more of him! he can drain my tits and fuk em up if he wants.

That actress playing Luke Evans' bethrothed has a chin from witches hell.

Let us pray its fake.

I think Dakota looks different this time, as she has gained considerable weight.

Luke looks even hotter, in that tight white shirt.

Hoping for a part 3....love this series, despite this seasons disappointments.

I hope that cute young lab/investigator the crook shot does not die...hid adorable. marcus, his name

dont die marcus!

shit i hate this show~ he does die. FUK FUK

Bummer, was hoping luke evans and dr laszlo would dance off into the sunset hand in hand.

Luke throws Bruhl onto the sand, tearing his clothes off, fucking his ripe hole with every fibre of passion in his soul.

Dakota stands in the distance, weeping, slowly walkiing into the ocean ahead of her, putting an end to her 8 episodes of misery.

Throngs of people on the dunes cheer !

What was the relationship between Hearst and Violet? The use “Godfather” but it almost seems like she’s supposed to be his illegitimate child.

Did Byrne ever tell anyone to put the lotion in the basket?

who did luke wind up with? messy ending. and bruhl, he went off with the witchy lady? dakota, i dont care...

This can't end like this!!!!!I want Dakota to be with Luke. I want that Viollet creature, to get with Hearst. YOu know he wants her.

This season was horrible.

I was expecting so much more, especially after a fantastic first season.

Unfortunately, it was extremely disappointing.

Whoever was responsible for Season 2 should be FIRED.

Yup s2 was terrible. I didn't like almost everything about it. The production design and how it was shot was good, everything else - the storylines and performances sucked. Dakota was the worst of it, her exaggerated 'W' pronunciation so jarring.

I enjoyed it. I did think Season 1 was better than the second season, but to be fair, Caleb Carr's first book was better than the second one in the series.

I would love for this same director and cast to do a series based on Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle."

Boring season. The obvious lesson learned is that boy whores make everything better.

Guess what kids?

Fanning is going to be the STAR of a new show based on this character.

That is what the ending with the ladies Detective Agency was about.

Will also be shot on location in Budapest with visits from her former castmates but she is the top dog in the new show. 13 episodes coming soon.

Is it going to be called The Number One Lady’s Detectives Agency?

Miss fleming ruined what could have been a decent season,,,,she acts like she is auditioning for a harold pinter play.. she was stoic as a spinster at a funeral, and smiled 3 times the whole season.

they knew the plot stunk, but had to suffer thru, shoddy writing.

frittered away the talents of bruhl and evans.

R243 working title as they scout locations.

Miss Howard's Agency.

Did the producers watch the dailys? did they see the humorless mess this was? did they see the error so much of Dakota in the storyline?

what a waste of good $

next season: dakota has married luke and retired to kansas to raise 4 kids, knits and makes grits fer the 'men visitors' to her hubby..

sells plaster casts of luke's anus...

I liked it.

So the whole season was that Libby had issues with her mother and decided to steal babies to replace the one she gave away.... ooof.

I called it at R34:

[quote] So is Dakota Fanning the "STAH" this season? Last season it was hard to tell, because each of the characters seemed to get equal time. Even though Daniel Bruhl got top billing. If this is going to be all about Dakota Fanning and "girl power," in the early 1900's, then I'm out. I've had sufficient on that topic.

Obviously this season turned out to be all about Dakota F. and "girl power," especially given what R242 posted.

I told you so!

this series introduces social-historical info that it should do more with. Hearst should have a bigger role and be more fleshed out. At the time of this narrative, Hearst papers were populist, for example.

Also the kid-napper - so they made a point of her being from a good family ("grew up on Prospect Park", "lived in Paris" yadayada) but it was made late and wasn't used to deepen a class related pathology - she was kidnapping well-born babies. And what of her living with that (HOT) low-life titty-milk sucker. Slumming!

Also exactly who rich is each main character. Sara Howard is very old family but not Robber Baron rich? There is a mention of the family house in Rhinebeck. John Moore - he's in the social register but not in the top tier of wealth of same?

this season seemed shorter, or maybe it was cause it was more shallow....

screams they had naive writers, not same as last time....hope part 3 is a return to form, and miss fanning is demoted back to where she belong.

I thought the villainess was over the top. She was hammy instead of being scary. Her hysteria was contrived. There just wasn't enough substance to sustain the series, IMO. I kept thinking it would end and it kept going on. The girl, Libby was mad and crazy and I hated that one f the brother detectives go murdered. And Dakota just crushed the energy out of the story. I get what they were going for, but she has no range, no subtlety, no nuance. Her lack of chemistry with Luke was so evident so obvious I was embarrassed for them. You could see the strain. He wasn't happy with her at all.

^^nailed it. right on point

I wonder why Stevie Taggert was recast? They barely show his face in season 2 despite the fact that the actor they replaced the original with bears a strong resemblance to him.

R254 No idea who he played...clearly I did not notice.

R255 Stevie Taggert is one of the characters. He's the boy who drives Lazlo's carriage. He even went undercover in season 1 as a boy whore in Paresis Hall to help catch the killer.

Just finished it.

Great period piece, dialogue is often more than a bit stilted/over the top, characters like Byrnes are very one dimensional, but did not ruin it for me, it's supposed to feel somewhat like a fantasy rather than an accurate rendering with HBO antiheroes.

Costumes/settings were great.

Love that gay costumer designers are hissing about minor inaccuracies on this thread.

Don't quite see comparison to Babylon Berlin other than both were big production period pieces.

They also use the term "serial killer," which wasn't even coined until the 1970s (by FBI agent Robert K. Ressler). Sloppy!

Also, "sounds like a plan." In the mid-1890s!

The boy whores are essential.

Fanning is too much of a lightweight for this role; the character needs some gravitas. Horribly miscast.

Am I really the one and only who is going to praise Rose McEwen’s (Libby) performance? She was the best by far from all the cast. And specially considering this is her first on screen character ever.

She can go from crazy bitch to hurt weak woman in seconds, Oscar worthy performance. I will be surprise if she doesn’t get a nom for the Golden Globes.

I agree Dakota is hard to watch in this role.

Has the bitch r90 gotten laid yet? God she's tiresome!