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Shopping for a New Car in 2020

Anyone recently bought a new car? Planning to?

I was planning on getting a deal this summer on a 2020 sedan or midsize SUV.

But there are major problems with the new CR-V (oil dilution) and Accord. So I was considering a VW or a Nissan.

What are your thoughts on the 2020 line-up? Should I wait until the 2021’s arrive?

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by Anonymousreply 275Last Saturday at 12:11 PM

Nobody's shopping for anything in 2020.

Nothing to do, and nowhere to go.

by Anonymousreply 107/14/2020

So you might get a great deal, OP.

by Anonymousreply 207/14/2020

A colleague of mine bought a Jaguar F-Pace 18 months ago. Loves it. I've had a ride, it drives great and feels good inside.

by Anonymousreply 307/14/2020

I just bought a 2017 Honda Civic and love it.

Check car rental sales if you want a Nissan. Low prices and low miles.

by Anonymousreply 407/14/2020

I got a Mazda CX-5 GT. I think it’s a nice looking car for the economy compact SUVs.

by Anonymousreply 507/14/2020

Honda Civic what do people think about it these days? It's been aound for decades.

by Anonymousreply 607/14/2020

Don't buy any car made by members of the United Auto Workers. Mother fuckers forgot who saved their asses in 2008/2009 and now vote solidly for Trump.

UAW = old, white, entitled asshole Deplorables.

by Anonymousreply 707/14/2020

Toyota Camry? Personally, I'd get a 2018 or 2019 Accord or Camry, and save on some of the initial depreciation.

by Anonymousreply 807/14/2020

VW has never really addressed long-term reliability and the Passat is no longer a great handing car.

by Anonymousreply 907/14/2020

Corollas's still have vague handling. Ford still has jerky transmissions and a useless bluetooth interface.

by Anonymousreply 1007/14/2020

Mini Cooper.

by Anonymousreply 1107/14/2020

Get an all-electric model, or at least a hybrid.

Buy less oil!

by Anonymousreply 1207/14/2020

My neighbors and I live in houses worth about $500k each. My neighbors spend what I regard as disproportionate amounts on cars. Eg one couple have a Porsche and a Mercedes: conspicuous consumption, in my view. I need to buy a car, although I don't like cars much; the car I buy has to be the bare minimum to try to stifle what I suspect is a growing feeling around here that I am cheap. I thought of a Kia SUV - they are well-made (I had one years ago) but don't think that would be the right choice. I quite like the look of the Mazda SUV but again don't think it would do. I am thinking 2019 Toyota SUV : anyone have any thoughts about the Toyota in my circumstances?

by Anonymousreply 1307/14/2020

Just bought a new CR-V, my 4th, love them

by Anonymousreply 1407/14/2020

R13, a new Venza might be right for you if you're set on Toyota. It's a hybrid as well.

by Anonymousreply 1507/14/2020

R14, aren’t you worried about the oil issue? Have you had any gas smells or delayed heating/air?

I was thinking of getting a 2020 CRV until I read about that.

by Anonymousreply 1607/14/2020

Buying a car that is one year older to save on depreciation is a fools bet.

You end up risking a lot more and it’s not worth the savings.

You can get much better deals on new cars overall, as far as value, and that has been true for 20 years.

used car dealers perpetuate the depreciation myth and apparently it still works like a charm.

by Anonymousreply 1707/14/2020

You can be in a situation where buying new car is even cheaper than one a year older.

Anybody else buy a 2020 recently?

by Anonymousreply 1807/14/2020

Whatever you buy wait until the end of the year. I heard about 2 months ago that they would be practically giving the cars away because of low sales this year.

I had a top of the line 1999 Nissan Quest that I finally replaced 3 years ago with a Nissan Rogue Select. A step down from the Quest but so far so good.

by Anonymousreply 1907/14/2020

R19 I heard the Nissan quality had gone downhill since the Bluebird. But you remain loyal... I have only had rental Nissans and they did not compare well to other makes I rented.

by Anonymousreply 2007/14/2020

I just got a loaded Mazda 3 for $360/36 months/$0 down. I did a lot of research. Safe and good looking.

by Anonymousreply 2107/14/2020

I just bought a new car in June...2020 Mercedes GLC300... the sport SUV. Black on black. Fun car with a turbo but it has a 9 speed automatic transmission, which is really sorta ridiculous. But I’m glad I got it.

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by Anonymousreply 2207/14/2020

I would never buy another Mercedes. They are the worst these days. The quality is just no longer there.

by Anonymousreply 2307/14/2020

I’ve never owned anything other than Mercedes...never, ever had an issue with one. Don’t know why you have that opinion.

by Anonymousreply 2407/14/2020

[quote] Buying a car that is one year older to save on depreciation is a fools bet.

What exactly is the depreciation myth? What are they telling people?

by Anonymousreply 2507/14/2020

When I bought this place the realtor advised me that the neighborhood was ethnic. I asked if he meant full of WASPs. That is not what he meant at all: I am one of about three Gentiles on this street. The rest are Jews. The Jews, the vast majority, spend millions on German cars made by companies with Nazi pasts: Mercedes, BMW and Porsche for instance; Volkswagen is rare but they appear from time to time; they also buy truckloads of Japanese cars and I know the Japs were not anti-Semitic but they were the Nazis' big ally: Lexus, for instance. No!

by Anonymousreply 2607/14/2020

[quote] What exactly is the depreciation myth? What are they telling people?

A brand new car loses one-third of its value when you drive it off the dealer's depot.

by Anonymousreply 2707/14/2020

[quote]But there are major problems with the new CR-V (oil dilution) and Accord. So I was considering a VW or a Nissan.

I have an '18 Accord, the current generation. There aren't any problems with it. I test drove all the competitors at that time and felt it was the best car in its class. I still love it two years later and get 35 mpg with the 1.5 Turbo engine.

by Anonymousreply 2807/14/2020

I have a 2002 4x4 SUV Suzuki convertible. Still only 54,000 miles. Always loyal. Likes mud; scrubs up well. I will wait until it's 25 years old before even considering buying a new car, you fickle bitches.

by Anonymousreply 2907/14/2020

I am leasing a 2017 VW GLI. Turbo/Automatic. The lease is almost done. I haven't had a single problem with the car. I love it today as much as the day I leased it. It's a fun and quick car. It drives and handles like a more expensive car, and the interior is upscale compared to a Japanese or Korean car. The Jetta and GLI have been redesigned since 2017, and it's even nicer. I'm totally satisfied with VW. I'm currently out of work, so I'm not sure what to do with my lease coming to an end.

by Anonymousreply 3007/14/2020

Just bought 2017 Accord for my partner. Great cars. Even used, they don’t depreciate much.

I kinda agree with the idea of just buying new. Good cars like Honda’s aren’t that much cheaper used than new. The $2-3k savings isn’t worth it.

I’ve been seriously planning on getting the new Honda CR-V hybrid. But gas mileage wasn’t as great as I hoped - and way mor expensive then the regular one - which is the best deal out there for a mini SUV. I had not heard about an oil issue.

Tried the RAV4 - but just doesn’t seem as sturdy as the Honda. Looks slicker outside. But the interior space is also smaller. As a tall guy who needs to haul stuff between houses, I want space - but generally hate SUVS.

by Anonymousreply 3107/14/2020

I have to buy a new car. I drive a 2005 Honda Accord. I live in a city and rarely use it, so don’t need anything special. I guess I’ll get another Honda. I doesn’t even care much, but I like the convenience of having a car available if I want one. In the past, I’ve bought certified pre-owned. They come with a pretty extensive warrantee for 2 years, IIRC.

I figured that, excluding the cost of gas; but including the purchase price and maintenance, my average expense for the car runs about $4000 per year.

by Anonymousreply 3207/14/2020

You can usually find better interest rates for new cars.

If you have good credit and are with a credit union, you can get a new car financed for 1.99% or so.

Only reason I keep my old college credit union account from when I was an undergrad.

by Anonymousreply 3307/14/2020

R33 if you have good credit chances are a dealer with give you the promo rate on a certified pre owned car. I financed a certified pre owned bmw at 1.9 percent - same rate they were offering on their new cars.

Now they are offering only 0.9 percent, I guess because of the corona business slowdown

I like buying cars that are 2 -3 years old with low mileage, certified pre owned for the additional warranty. I got a car last year that only had 19k milestone on it. And because of corona, I’ve only put like 5k Miles on it this year. If I had purchased a 2020 model I would have spent approx 50k. But buying certified pre owned, I saved 50 percent, and still walked with a great CPO warranty. And even covered maintenance for the first 2 years.

by Anonymousreply 3407/14/2020

Op have you looked into the VW Atlas? They are really nice. I had one as a rental car. They definitely are a lot bigger inside then they look on the outside - tons of space for cargo.

by Anonymousreply 3507/14/2020

Got a 2020 Altima in February and I love it. Was a Honda guy for 20 years but wanted something different.

by Anonymousreply 3607/14/2020

My lease is up at the end of the month so I have been looking. One thing to take into consideration as there there is low inventory on a lot of cars. Due to Covid shut downs there were fewer 2020 models produced and there is a delay on the 2021 models. Popular colors and trim packages may all be gone on the models you want.

by Anonymousreply 3707/14/2020

If you are buying a luxury car or can get a 1.9 percent loan on a used car then it somewhat makes sense to go used.

But on something like Honda or Toyota you can get all kinds of deals on new ones if you know when to buy. And you always have to weigh depreciation losses against a higher resale when you go to sell or trade. Don’t forget get that. And the factory warranty. And they fact that you have piece of mind that some maniac didn’t drive it before you.

And you can’t put a price on a new car smell.

by Anonymousreply 3807/14/2020

Nearly 400,000 of Honda’s best-selling CR-Vs and Civics sold in the U.S. will be updated to prevent excessive gasoline dilution of engine oil that is blamed for poor performance in the automaker’s 1.5L direct-injected turbocharged 4-cyl. engines.

Service bulletins issued by the Japanese automaker since last November now cover 143,000 ’16-’18 Civics and 239,000 ’17-’18 CR-Vs sold in 21 cold-weather northern states. All ’19 models are being updated at the factory.

Part of Honda’s highly efficient “Earth Dreams” engine family, the 4-cyl. is standard on all but the base model CR-V and on upper-trim EX, EX-L and Touring models of the Civic. Wards Intelligence data shows 82% of the 766,000 ’17-’18 CR-Vs sold in the U.S. were equipped with the 1.5L, while about 47% of the 1.1 million ’16-’18 Civics came with the turbo powerplant.

Honda says the problem occurs when the engine doesn’t warm up enough to evaporate unburned fuel that slips past piston rings and infiltrates engine oil. The automaker notes oil dilution is normal in all internal-combustion engines, but especially in direct-injected turbocharged engines.

Honda spokesman Chris Martin says the 1.5L’s cooling system is highly efficient, and therefore the engine is slow to reach a normal operating temperature that would cause fuel to readily evaporate and be routed back to the combustion chamber via the crankcase ventilation system. Short drives and extreme cold temperatures exacerbate the problem, sometimes resulting in owners reporting oil levels above the “FULL” line on the dipstick.

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by Anonymousreply 3907/14/2020

I bought a Mercedes GLC300 Midsize SUV a few weeks ago. Have a three-year lease and four-year warranty. My last car was a GLK350 which was the best car ever. Fun to drive and never gave me any problems.

by Anonymousreply 4007/14/2020

The 2020 CRVs have the 1.5l Earth Dream engine in them still from the 2018/19 debacle.

That is why I hesitate to buy one.

I believe the Accord also has the same engine.

They say they did a software fix but I have read multiple reports of there still being issues in all weather and all drove types.

The car companies go to great lengths to cover this stuff up. So I don’t trust the CRVs until they get a new engine.

by Anonymousreply 4107/14/2020

Anybody bought a Volvo lately? They are the last reasonably priced luxury car available.

Luxury cars are going through the roof. I just can’t justify spending $50k on a car. Unless I had the income.

by Anonymousreply 4207/14/2020

Get one of those little Fiats. I love them. Canary yellow or powder blue for you?

by Anonymousreply 4307/14/2020

Fiats have bad reviews.

Plus I’m tall and have very broad shoulders. I’m shaped like a T.

I can’t do the tiny cars.

by Anonymousreply 4407/14/2020

Well?

by Anonymousreply 4507/15/2020

OP, do you like the Kia Optima sedan? It’s being replaced by a new 2021 model called the K5 any day now. They’ll be giving away the remaining 2020s.

by Anonymousreply 4607/15/2020

Volvo’s are a waste of money now. No better than a nice Subaru. Horrible on gas and insanely expensive repairs and maintenance. Don’t know why people buy them - except the historic reputation. But safety isn’t much different than much cheaper cars nowadays. I just got rid of my XC70 - and the resale/trade-in was horrible - and swore I would never waste that money again.

by Anonymousreply 4707/15/2020

I just moved to LA and need to buy a car. I'm torn between a Mini Cooper and a VW Golf. Also thinking about a Prius.

Any thoughts on these?

by Anonymousreply 4807/15/2020

ford raptor truck.......450 hp.......510 ft-lbs torque.........a total rocket

by Anonymousreply 4907/15/2020

R48...Prius is a nice little car, but you have to be careful. The gas engine portion of the Prius is a gross polluter, and as a result, their catalytic converters are about three times the size of a normal car, to reduce the emissions. As a result of the Platinum in them (which is the reason CCs get stolen), they get cut off the car all the time. A new Catalytic Converter for a Prius is over $4,000 so just something to be aware of.

You can verify all of this via Google...

by Anonymousreply 5007/15/2020

[quote]Volvo’s are a waste of money now. No better than a nice Subaru. Horrible on gas and insanely expensive repairs and maintenance.

All new Volvos have 30,000 miles of free maintenance coverage, making maintenance costs essentially zero if you’re leasing it.

by Anonymousreply 5107/15/2020

[quote]Anybody bought a Volvo lately? They are the last reasonably priced luxury car available.

They price out to be about the same as their similarly equipped Mercedes, Audi, and BMW competitors. None are exactly reasonably priced.

by Anonymousreply 5207/15/2020

We're planning to buy the Tesla Model 3. It's actually a bargain if you factor in fuel and maintenance savings.

by Anonymousreply 5307/15/2020

R48 - R50 is correct. In the SF Bay area, Prius catalytic converters are constantly being yanked out of the cars.

by Anonymousreply 5407/15/2020

"I just bought a 2017 Honda Civic and love it."

I've been holding on to my 2003 Civic with less that 100K on it. I don't take long trips and just want something reliable. I've only had one major repair with my current car. Besides, the latest Civic model looks like a spacecraft and I hate it. I also hate dark interior colors.

I'd love to get a VW Golf...but from what I've read, they are not as reliable as my current car, it won't last 17 years without major problems.

by Anonymousreply 5507/15/2020

Thanks R50

by Anonymousreply 5607/15/2020

I’ve also heard that some of the 2020 Honda’s with the brake assist will slam on brakes for no reason.

And that some of this new “sensing” equipment is not ready for prime time.

by Anonymousreply 5707/15/2020

R35 the Atlas is a nice looking car but the gas mileage Is like 19mpg.

But I did look at a 2020 Tiguan but they seem a little cheap. They appear very solid.

They are doing some amazing deals at Nissan but I have never owned one. The Altima is coming in around the price of a Civic with all the incentives, but is comparable to the Accord. Now that is a good deal.

Also the Rogues sale price are about the same as the Altima sale price.

These are $25k cars being sold for $20. That is a good deal.

So it looks like I’ll be going with either the base Civic (which doesn’t have the sketchy 1.5 turbo) or an Altima.

The Rogue just seems like a teenager car. The Altima at least feels a little grown up.

The base Civic does not have touchscreen or Apple play which is just bazaar. But I am just too worried about the 1.5 to buy the CR-V. Or the Civic EX. Or the Accord. All 3 have the 1.5 L sketchy engine.

If I buy one this week, it will most likely be an Altima.

If I wait another week or two, who knows.

by Anonymousreply 5807/15/2020

R55, I would consider the Hyundai Elantra if you are looking for a reliable, inexpensive compact car to replace your '03 Civic.

Also, the Civic is going to be redesigned soon for the 2021 model year, so you might possibly like the looks of the upcoming model better than the current one.

by Anonymousreply 5907/15/2020

Bay Area Prius owner here - our catalytic converter was stolen 4th of July weekend. In our complex garage no less.

We were surprised we avoided the inevitable for so long.

Fortunately our thief smashed our back window and scratched the quarter panel. It'll cost $2,500 to repair the (MINOR) cosmetic damage but we are just going to pocket the money. It'll cover the $250 insurance deductible and our road trip to Palm Springs.

by Anonymousreply 6007/15/2020

Anybody own a new Passat?

They are decent looking and VW is offering some good deals.

by Anonymousreply 6107/15/2020

I like the Palisade and Telluride.

by Anonymousreply 6207/15/2020

I just get driven everywhere. Lyft.

by Anonymousreply 6307/15/2020

I have never bought a Korean car. And after they got rid of the 100k warranties, I don’t think you come out that much ahead anymore. But they are nice looking cars.

by Anonymousreply 6407/15/2020

R60,so are you having the insurance replace the Catalytic Converter? Because you won't be able to get it smogged again until you do. And don't order a cheap one online, because it most likely will not be legal in CA.

by Anonymousreply 6507/15/2020

R64, I was worried you were correct about the warranty. Whew.

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by Anonymousreply 6607/15/2020

Hyundai and Kia still have the 10 year / 100,000 mile powertrain warranty, which is the best of any manufacturer.

Hyundai has also now added free maintenance to all new cars for 3 years / 36,000 miles.

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by Anonymousreply 6707/15/2020

R63 Insurance has already replaced our CC.

It sounds horrible without one, literally like its about to explode. I understand they're illegal to drive in such a state in many places.

Our mechanic doesn't do body repairs however. So we have were approved the $2,500 to get the work done at a body shop. We'll just have insurance cut us the check directly, but not have it done (which is completely legal). The cosmetic damage is literally one scratch but they'd have to paint whole back quarter passenger side to repaint/blend!

by Anonymousreply 6807/15/2020

Wait a while longer OP, and buy a used car instead. Prices are set to drop as much as 25% or more in the coming months.

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by Anonymousreply 6907/15/2020

Just avoid anything with the CVT transmission..they are still crap

by Anonymousreply 7007/15/2020

I can’t decide whether to buy a low mileage 3 year old car or lease a new one. Both would cost about the same per month. At least I would “own” the used one after 4 years. What should I do?

by Anonymousreply 7107/15/2020

I can’t decide whether to buy a low mileage 3 year old car or lease a new one. Both would cost about the same per month. At least I would “own” the used one after 4 years. What should I do?

So, in 4 years, you'll "own" a 7 year old car. If that's okay with you, then go that route.

Personally, I'd rather lease a new car... where I'm always covered by warranty, maintenance requirements are minimal, and I always have the latest technology updates, safety features, and fuel economy improvements.

by Anonymousreply 7207/15/2020

I like little cars, parking and all... what's the most reliable with a smooth ride?

by Anonymousreply 7307/15/2020

Like R70 says, I'm concerned with anything with a CVT transmission. I've read that they can be a problem. Nissa has switched over to them for their entire line. My neighbor has a Nissan with one and she's got a loaner more often than her own car because of it. I do like the new Altima, nice design, and I like that it now offers AWD. But I may pass because of the CVT. A used Audi A4 with AWD is probably what I'd do.

by Anonymousreply 7407/15/2020

I sort of have new car fever, but almost everything looks the damn same right now. I like something a little weird looking. I have a 2012 loaded Nissan Juke and I love driving it, but I don't know how it will last for the long haul. (78,000 miles on it). I like the Toyota CH-R, but it doesn't have a sunroof option. The new Kia Soul is cute (I miss my boxy Honda Element!) and they have a very nice racing green option--but again, no sunroof with the green??? Only in the blue, white, black, or red. Dumb.

I know some people don't care about a sunroof, but I use mine all the time and I love it. I don't even care about navigation or heated seats--I just want my sunroof.

I like the Mini Cooper, but I don't hear great things about them. The Honda Civic Hatchback is kind of cool too, but sounds like Honda is not so hot right now? I came very close to buying a RAV4 in Lunar Rock (grey/green color) last year and can't decide if that was a good idea or not to pass it up. They aren't exactly "funky" and everyone and their brother has one now, but I do think it would be reliable.

by Anonymousreply 7507/15/2020

I double checked, and my 2005 Honda Accord costs me on average, about $3000 a year (excluding gas costs, but including the amortized purchase price). I only drove it 500 miles last year. But is is 15 years old an looks like crap, so I’m going to replace it. It seems like a major chore, though, so it may take me a while. I just like the freedom of getting to a car and going, when I want to.

by Anonymousreply 7607/15/2020

Whoops! Yes, it does seem that the Koreans have kept the 100k warranty on the powertrain .

I just saw the bumper-to-bumper to warranty stopped at 50k. and thought it had changed. Didn’t both used to be 100k?

Anyway, here’s and update:

I went and sat in a CRV, Civic, Accord, Passat, Altima, Rogue and Forrester today. I didn’t test drive of them yet. I didn’t want to interact with sales people. I just sat in what I could find unlocked or on display.

The Altima was a little smaller than I thought it would be inside. But otherwise as expected. It would get the job done but it’s a little tight in the shoulders. Same with the rogue. It’s basically an Altima with a hatchback.

The Accord and Civic have both designed the front seat to be halfway underneath the engine. It makes for poor visibility. The interior seemed stiff. And in the Civic I could hear all the noise from outside. It didn’t seem very quiet. My knee was knocking on the center console of the CRV. But that was the roomiest of the 3. And it feels like the driver is more parallel with the engine and not underneath it.

The VW was a little cheapish looking. I don’t know how I feel about that one. I just couldn’t make up my mind.

I really liked the forester the best. But it’s also the most expensive for the trim that makes sense. You wouldn’t want a Forrester without a sunroof.

I think I will drive the Passat and the Forrester and go from there. As for the rest, either I’ll pass on them or wait untill 2021s come in.

by Anonymousreply 7707/15/2020

I’ve read good things about the Toyota RAV4. I was going towards Honda CRV - until I read the above, Any opinions on Rav4 - or Toyota reliability generally ?

by Anonymousreply 7807/15/2020

Check out Mazda. The CX-5 is a nice small SUV and has good reliability.

by Anonymousreply 7907/15/2020

Financially I don’t understand leasing. Made that mistake with my first car and felt stupid. A 3 year old car with one owner is a great car. And you get trade in value in 3 years. If you’ve got money to burn maybe leasing is OK - but makes no sense financially. But I also don’t understand buying a $60,000 luxury car - for any reason - so I appreciate people make non-financial decisions.

by Anonymousreply 8007/15/2020

I’m going to buy a van so I can live in it when my money runs out!

by Anonymousreply 8107/15/2020

I love minivans. Space to move stuff is incomparable - and they drive so much better than SUVs, more like a car. Impractical for a city dwelling gay man - but I always end up borrowing my sisters because it can move anything. Also expensive.

by Anonymousreply 8207/15/2020

A minivan might not be a bad idea with the way things are going. The Chrysler van has the fold under seats that would make it completely flat. All you have to do is put in a twin size air mattress and you are ready for the apocalypse.

Some even come with a built in vacuum.

by Anonymousreply 8307/15/2020

Come on, comment on the VW GOLF!

by Anonymousreply 8407/16/2020

The Toyota RAV 4 Hybrid gets very good reviews, and somewhat counterintuitively is also the “performance” model too.

by Anonymousreply 8507/16/2020

I also need a car but I can’t buy one without test driving first. Is it worth the risk?

by Anonymousreply 8607/16/2020

We have a 2018 RAV 4 with a lease expiring in January 2021, so we've been looking. We do need a truck, and want a 4WD, crew cab. We've looked at Chevy Colorado and Silverado 1500, Ford F150 and Ranger, RAM 1500, and Honda Ridgeline. And it's been terrible. Incentives that aren't -- sure, you're giving us $5000 "Customer Cash" but you upped the price to make up for that. And it's the cash or a 0% rate. Or, you don't have any stock -- the local Honda dealer had no Ridgelines in stock. Or all you have are trucks tricked out with options and addons we don't want. Build to order? They're not doing that because they don't know when they'll be able to get them. Ford dealer said September, [italic]MAYBE[/italic].

Well, we have time to shop.

by Anonymousreply 8707/16/2020

R87 these dealers are going to go under if they don’t start offering worthwhile incentives. I’ve seen very little in the past few months to tempt me. 0% for 72 months? No thanks.

by Anonymousreply 8807/16/2020

I keep my cars 17 years plus.

On year 13 with my Generation 2 Toyota Prius.

Still get nearly 50 PPG around town; 47 highway. Original catalytic converter.

by Anonymousreply 8907/16/2020

I got a 2020 Hyundai Kona last September. I love it.

by Anonymousreply 9007/16/2020

[quote]The Toyota RAV 4 Hybrid gets very good reviews, and somewhat counterintuitively is also the “performance” model too.

The RAV Hybrid powertrain has much faster acceleration than the gas 4 cylinder. Plus excellent fuel economy for not much increase in price. It’s a win.

by Anonymousreply 9107/16/2020

[quote]I got a 2020 Hyundai Kona last September. I love it.

I had a Kona recently for a rental car, and really enjoyed it. It wasn’t really on my radar before, but I would definitely consider buying one now after driving it around for a few days.

by Anonymousreply 9207/16/2020

R75 - I hear really good things about the Mini Cooper -- I keep asking people where I live in WeHo about them (there must be dozens with a few block radius) and every owner says they loved their Mini.

by Anonymousreply 9307/16/2020

The trouble with Mini Cooper is that it's categorized as a "luxury car," and repairs cost an arm and a leg. Thanks, BMW.

by Anonymousreply 9407/16/2020

R94 we did buy the company and we make them!

by Anonymousreply 9507/16/2020

r90, glad to hear that about the Kona. They get great reviews, and everyone I know who has a Hyundai loves it. I think they look pretty cool, but the online images look sort of like the cabin is cheap looking, but I haven't seen it in person. Does it have decent power? I don't need a rocket, but I like a little get up and go.

by Anonymousreply 9607/16/2020

I was all set to buy a RAV4 hybrid till I saw that there's a major problem with the gas tank on the 2019 and 2020, and Toyota hasn't fixed it yet. There's a class action suit pending.

by Anonymousreply 9707/16/2020

Thanks R97. Now my two choices, the Honda CRV and Toyota RAV4, have been ruled out. Maybe I’ll just buy an old RAV4 or CRV and avoid the risks.

by Anonymousreply 9807/16/2020

I’d have no problem getting the RAV-4 hybrid. The gas tank issue is not safety related (not able to fill gas all the way full) and Toyota is acknowledging it and in the process of fixing it. It doesn’t get to be the top auto maker without customer satisfaction and trust in its products. Unlike Honda with its issues in recent years involving CRV, Civics, and Accords.

Stay away from Volvos for the love of cars! They break down after warranty and fucking expensive to fix. My last car was a Volvo, the company has been coasting on past laurels and it hasn’t been at forefront of auto safety since the ‘80s.

by Anonymousreply 9907/16/2020

RAV-4 hybrid gas tank article

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I’m saving up to get a RAV-4 Prime which is different from RAV-4 hybrid. But appare

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^^^But apparently there will only be 5000 of them for sale in the US this year.

by Anonymousreply 10207/16/2020

Anny truck recommendations or things to watch out for?

by Anonymousreply 10307/16/2020

If you like the Kona, check out the Seltos, too. One thing a lot of people don't realize is how good H/K's drive assist features are. Only Tesla is probably (a little bit) better. Everyone else is worse or on par. Drive a Mazda and watch as it bounces you from one lane line to the other, and then drive a H/K. Night and day.

by Anonymousreply 10407/16/2020

I got a loaded Telluride right before Covid-19 shut everything down. I really love it. It replaced a Lexus RX450 and I find it superior in every way.

I also have a 2019 MB E300, and the Kia technology works better and more seamlessly. There’s a highway assist feature that lets you drive for miles without ever touching the steering wheel.

Kia/Hyundai/Genesis are at a transformational stage and it’s exciting to see all the class leading vehicles they’re releasing.

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Wow thanks DL. Just discovered Hyundai Venue. Under $20k for a 2020, good MPG SUV. Never heard of it but seems like an amazing deal. A brand new SUV for less than a 5 year old RAV4.

by Anonymousreply 10607/16/2020

Kia Telluride is significantly better than Volkswagen Atlas.

by Anonymousreply 10707/16/2020

R106 there’s a reason for that being the case.

by Anonymousreply 10807/16/2020

One thing about the Kona is that it has a punchy accelerator. You can burn rubber if you’re not careful. I had to re-learn how to accelerate.

by Anonymousreply 10907/16/2020

R90 What level did you get? And AWD or FWD? There are seldom if ever any FWD's shown in inventory online; clearly the AWD makes them more money. But I don't need it.

by Anonymousreply 11007/16/2020

R26 Or as my late friend Lester in Beverly Hills said as the garage door went up to reveal his flawlessly restored 1970 Mercedes 600 Pullman formerly owned by the German government, "How quick we forget."

by Anonymousreply 11107/16/2020

Hyundai and Kia are basically the same company now, right? They seem to share platforms and engines for most of their vehicles.

by Anonymousreply 11207/16/2020

[quote]Hyundai and Kia are basically the same company now, right?

Yes.

by Anonymousreply 11307/16/2020

I see more Hyundai's than Kia's in my city. Kia's interior looks cheap.

by Anonymousreply 11407/16/2020

You should buy the biggest, most ridiculous SUV you can find, then tool around in it by yourself.

by Anonymousreply 11507/16/2020

R110 I got the Limited with AWD. I’m in Colorado so I wanted that option.

by Anonymousreply 11607/16/2020

I think I’m just going to wait a few months. It’s just not a good time to try to buy a car at this exact moment.

The 2021 models are already trickling in (Corolla) so I’m going to take some time and see what happens.

by Anonymousreply 11707/16/2020

^^^Consider the hatchback it’s made in Japan so a higher level of quality control. I have a 2020 XSE hatchback, saving me lots of gas commuting and long trips. Only stopped for gas one time driving from LA to Orange County. Love the blindside monitoring. I think the only difference with the 2020 and 2021 models is more storage space option and rear cross traffic alert. There’s a hybrid Corolla sedan that’s also AWD which sounds interesting.

by Anonymousreply 11807/16/2020

Anyone have any experience, good or bad, with Shift, the used-car-sales site?

by Anonymousreply 11907/17/2020

Should be driving from SF to Orange County

by Anonymousreply 12007/17/2020

R119 sounds shifty

by Anonymousreply 12107/17/2020

Don’t forget about the BRONCO! I would really love one. I wonder if you can test drive them anywhere?

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The Ford Ranger seems cool too!

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I think the new broncos are already sold out

by Anonymousreply 12407/17/2020

R123 My boyfriend has the 2019 Ford Ranger and he loves it!

by Anonymousreply 12507/17/2020

All of the online sites are overpriced as far as I can tell. I had to do a market value research for a car that was totaled in an accident - and the “easy” online car sales sites basically just charge you more for the convenience. Fine if you don’t mind paying more. But I saved a few thousand by negotiating with a dealer.

by Anonymousreply 12607/17/2020

[quote] ^^^Consider the hatchback it’s made in Japan so a higher level of quality control.

The idea that factories in Japan churn out better quality cars is a myth

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Yes R127, it’s the design and engineering that matters. You could manufacture US cars in Europe and they would still be pieces of shit.

by Anonymousreply 12807/18/2020

I hate crossovers. A sedan or at least a Volvo wagon, a Cross Country.

by Anonymousreply 12907/18/2020

R55, I had a 2009 Honda Civic and planned on keeping it for a long time. It only had 98K miles or something. But I got into an accident and it totaled out. I cried when I had to let it go because it was such a great car and had been through everything with me. I do love the newer coupe body design (personal preference I guess) and drives so well in comparison, sporty and the car is a nice but basic upgrade. All I know is VW are prone to problems and more expensive to fix. After looking and looking I couldn't find anything that worked for me besides Honda. Good luck!

PS, I just heard they are eliminating the Honda Civic Coupe and Fit after this year.

Catalytic converter theft is HUGE here (major city in the midwest) - definitely take note when buying.

by Anonymousreply 13007/18/2020

[quote]PS, I just heard they are eliminating the Honda Civic Coupe and Fit after this year.

I was surprised to read this, but yes it seems to be true.

Sounds like customers prefer the Civic Hatchback and Honda HR-V over the Coupe and the Fit.

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What a bunch of jerks

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The Fit was a brilliant design. The fold down seats gave it incredibly storage capacity. Honda needs to work that concept into a coupe or the HRV

by Anonymousreply 13307/18/2020

Someone wrote that the Honda HRV is like the fit in a fat suit - big and clunky

by Anonymousreply 13407/18/2020

[quote]Someone wrote that the Honda HRV is like the fit in a fat suit - big and clunky

That’s why Americans love it.

by Anonymousreply 13507/18/2020

The Honda CRV is a great functional vehicle. Totally unsexy and boring - but great cargo space, reliable and good to drive. And they hold their value - even 5 year old CRVs can be $20k+

by Anonymousreply 13607/18/2020

R131 "Sounds like customers prefer the Civic Hatchback and Honda HR-V over the Coupe and the Fit."

Nah, Honda makes less money per unit on the Fit than it does on any other vehicle they make. They dc'd it so they could build and sell more Civic hatchbacks and CR-V's which have a higher profit margin.

It doesn't make the dealers any money either. My 2009 Fit Sport 5-speed looks and runs like it did the day I bought it, 11 years ago this week, and it has never required any service beyond routine oil, fluid, and filter changes, new brake linings, windshield wipers and tires. It's had two recalls, one for the Tanaka airbags and once for some issue with springs in the valvetrain, both covered in full by Honda. I live in the city, it fits easily in my garage and every parking space I see, and aside from filling the tank with gas costs me about $1000 a year for full insurance cover, routine service, plates, inspection, registration fees and the excise tax.

I'll keep it until it falls apart. With only 41,000 miles on it that will hopefully be years from now.

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2019 Final edition Beetle. 6 year warranty and zero percent financing if you can still find one!

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VW repairs are too expensive. Never go European.

by Anonymousreply 13907/18/2020

I miss the old Volvo and SAAB brands before they were bought out and destroyed. Is there an equivalent today? Subaru?

by Anonymousreply 14007/18/2020

"it has never required any service beyond routine oil, fluid, and filter changes, new brake linings, windshield wipers and tires."

R137, have you never been told about replacing the timing belt?

by Anonymousreply 14107/18/2020

Subaru was the new Volvo until 5-6 years ago when it started to have some problem that they didn’t fix. There is no new car as reliable - except maybe Honda and Toyota. Like all the old high-end brands, milked for their value by private equity and Wall Street and left to rot until people figured out they had eliminated what made it valuable to make a quick buck.

by Anonymousreply 14207/18/2020

R142 that’s sad. My 2013 Subaru got totaled recently after some cunt rear ended me. I am looking for a replacement but is Subaru off the table now? And no, I’m a gay man not a lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 14307/18/2020

Mazda is tops......or it used to be?

by Anonymousreply 14407/18/2020

The above is confusing about Subaru. Is it a safe car?

by Anonymousreply 14507/18/2020

Toyota is tops R144. Most mechanics will tell you if you are buying a car, new or used, get a Toyota.

by Anonymousreply 14607/18/2020

Subaru is safe - but Honda and Toyota tend to get highest marks for safety now. Not sure if this was the Subaru problem but found the attachéd. I’ve seen a number of references to engine problems. And their resale value has declined. Which is an issue given their new purchase price isn’t the cheapest.

Honda and Toyota win for safety, reliability and value from everything I’ve read. As an eldergay, that’s all I care about.

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R147, here in New England, Subarus really hold their value. When my car got written off, I received way more than I was expecting.

by Anonymousreply 14807/18/2020

I bought a former Mercedes loaner GLC 300. The dealer took $10,000 off my 4400 mile car. I paid less than my neighbor did for his new CRV.

by Anonymousreply 14907/18/2020

Are Mercedes as bad as they say? I'd love to get one of those cute A Class ones

by Anonymousreply 15007/18/2020

Bad resale value R150. But...if I had the money I would get the AMG GLE 53 coupe in a heartbeat.

by Anonymousreply 15107/18/2020

[quote][R137], have you never been told about replacing the timing belt?

He only has 41,000 miles.

by Anonymousreply 15207/18/2020

I love my 2010 Mini Cooper. I will only let him go when he starts to die. Yes, he eats up tires compared to my previous car, but he’s more fun. I don’t mind the rough ride. In fact, I get nervous in cushier rental cars, because I am accustomed to a lot of feedback from the road, in comparison.

The new Mini Cooper electric vehicle is using old technology from BMW i3 from years ago, giving it about 110 mile range. I’ve read that they’re assuming people will have this as a second car, or just use it for city driving. I know that I can rent a car for road trips, but my contrary nature is irritated. Nevertheless, the test drive I had in a BMW i3 was enough to turn my head - those are fun. The gas-powered Mini Coopers in recent years are looking progressively less like a Mini, to me. I drove a new one recently and it felt soft, fat, too quiet. Less go-kart feel. The Clubman, Countryman, and 4-door Cooper are an abomination. I’m not waving at them.

by Anonymousreply 15307/18/2020

Mazda is trying to be the new “high-end” mainstream brand. Advertising themselves as a step up in style and excitement from Honda and Toyota.

by Anonymousreply 15407/18/2020

Some of BMW’s smaller vehicles, like the X1 and X2 and 2-series Gran Coupe... are really front-wheel-drive Mini platforms made to look like a BMW.

by Anonymousreply 15507/18/2020

What are good trucks?

No, I'm not a lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 15607/18/2020

Mazda's used to stand out from the pack w/r/t to driving dynamics, but not so much anymore. The latest Mazda3 looks great, but dynamically, it is a step down, and that 2.5/6-speed combo they throw in everything is tired. Living with one beyond a test drive seems to require a lot of little compromises. Their interiors are still excellent, though.

by Anonymousreply 15707/18/2020

Not just that, R152, but Fit's 1.5 liter engines don't have a timing belt. It's a chain that doesn't need replacing. Or even much maintenance.

And even if it did have a belt that did need replacing at, say, 60,000 miles, it'd be 2025 before I had to think about it.

Snark is never better than when combined with ignorance...

by Anonymousreply 15807/18/2020

The Koreans are putting out interesting stuff. If I had the money, I’d like to get a Genesis G90 or even a Kia K900 or Cadenza.

I hear the Stinger is fun to drive but suffers from squeaks and rattles in the hatch.

by Anonymousreply 15907/18/2020

I wanted to buy a Subaru Forester. Reliable?

by Anonymousreply 16007/18/2020

Rubber timing belts must be changed every 6 years regardless of mileage.

by Anonymousreply 16107/18/2020

[quote]I wanted to buy a Subaru Forester. Reliable?

Reliable, but not exciting.

by Anonymousreply 16207/18/2020

Mazda is a lot more fun to drive than Toyota and Honda, and they have nicer base interiors. But not quite as reliable, but close behind. I’d check them out.

by Anonymousreply 16307/18/2020

Mini Cooper is a small car that eats gas like a Cadillac.

by Anonymousreply 16407/19/2020

Anybody have a Subaru Forrester from 2018 or newer?

by Anonymousreply 16507/19/2020

Are Volkswagen repairs really that bad? Are they bad cars?

My mom is looking to get a new (used) car. She is looking at the passats. Are they that bad?

She currently has a 2004 buick laSabre but it’s really time she gets something else. Her dashboard is no longer working - like the speedometer And gas gage doesn’t work.

She casually told me this the other day. I said to her - how on earth do you know how fast you’re driving? She said “I don’t, I just keep up with the traffic” she also counts her mileage every time she fills up the gas tank.

I had no idea she was doing this. She can afford a new car but she’s 71 and liked her big old Buick.

Now she’s looking at Passats.

by Anonymousreply 16607/19/2020

Seriously? Mini Coopers are gas guzzlers?? Damn. I wanted to get one.

by Anonymousreply 16707/19/2020

Seriously? Mini Coopers are gas guzzlers?? Damn. I wanted to get one.

by Anonymousreply 16807/19/2020

I like boring and safe cars. Best recommendations?

by Anonymousreply 16907/19/2020

R169 a Toyota Corolla.

by Anonymousreply 17007/19/2020

Mini Coopers are not gas guzzlers! The turbo AWD versions are thirstier than they regular models buy they aren’t US made trucks.

by Anonymousreply 17107/19/2020

R156 said "What are good trucks?

No, I'm not a lesbian. "

Of course not, silly. Lesbians already know and don't have to ask.

by Anonymousreply 17207/19/2020

Boring safe car = Honda or Toyota. Depends if you want a sedan or an SUV. Every rating for years has put them in the top 3 of sedan and compact SUV category. Safety, reliability and economy.

by Anonymousreply 17307/19/2020

[quote]I like boring and safe cars. Best recommendations?

A beige Toyota Camry.

by Anonymousreply 17407/19/2020

22 miles per gallon (or less) for Mini Cooper isn't even as good as my 20 year old Honda Civic.

by Anonymousreply 17507/19/2020

[quote] Some even come with a built in vacuum

Chrysler? Nothing comes with them. They charge for every single thing. Things that are standard on other cars for decades, you pay extra for.

by Anonymousreply 17607/19/2020

I know nothing about cars because I lived in NYC most of my life. I have a Lexus that’s 15 years old. I’m thinking of getting a new car but I don’t know what this “turbocharged 4 cylinder engine” shit is. I have a 6 cylinder engine. There’s a turn I need to make into an intersection in my area where you really have to scoot out & hit the gas to keep the car behind you from plowing into your car. My 6 cylinder is fine. Is a turbocharged 4 cylinder as fast & smooth?

by Anonymousreply 17707/19/2020

R177 Depends. There's this thing called "Turbo lag" which, while not as bad as it was turbocharged engines became widely available, is usually still noticeable. Two cars might get to, say, 60 MPH from zero in the same length of time (one turbo-, one not, of equal hp and torque) but at first there's...a second...which can sometimes feels like an eternity...before the blower cuts in and off you go into traffic.

On average, a four cylinder engine is not as smooth in operation as a six, nor is either as smooth as an eight, but today the differences are pretty much damped out so the driver isn't discomfited by them.

Obviously, drive it and see.

by Anonymousreply 17807/19/2020

Honda Toyota and Subaru have all had MAJOR engine issues in the last few years.

Those are supposed to be the top three in quality/reliability.

I think that all cars are pretty much junk now but the real sorry with cars is the hidden inflation.

They have kept car prices about the same for the last 15 years. That should tell you something.

An entry level civic should be costing around 30k but it’s 20k.

So they have to get that inflation out of somewhere. They don’t think they can raise the price so they have to keep stretching and stretching the product.

by Anonymousreply 17907/19/2020

Many of the 2020 models have the auto shut-off when the vehicle comes to a stop. Seems extremely unpleasant.

by Anonymousreply 18007/19/2020

R179 wants a Civic to cost $30k. Please do fuck off you Repig asshole. I hope the Covid gets you good and takes a long time to cancel your putrid existence.

by Anonymousreply 18107/19/2020

Most cars have turbocharged engines today because they were an existing technology that could allow manufacturers to meet the government's ever-increasing CAFE standards for fuel economy.

by Anonymousreply 18207/19/2020

My last car was a Chevrolet Cruze. I loved it. Good mileage, nice ride, nice options. When my lease was up I was thinking about getting another one. Then GM shitcanned it. RAV4 now. Meh. Not exciting. No android auto. Dunno what to get next.

by Anonymousreply 18307/19/2020

Have they make hybrid minivans yet?

by Anonymousreply 18407/19/2020

I'm really starting to like the Lexus RX 350

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R180, both of my car have automatic shutoff, but there’s a disable button in them located just to be left of the shifter.

by Anonymousreply 18607/19/2020

[quote] Many of the 2020 models have the auto shut-off when the vehicle comes to a stop. Seems extremely unpleasant.

I had a 2015 Mercedes C-class for a loaner car that had that start-stop system. It was really annoying, almost like driving a gas gold cart.

Fortunately it’s easily disabled in the vehicle settings.

by Anonymousreply 18707/19/2020

R183, why didn't you just buy the car you leased?

by Anonymousreply 18807/19/2020

We just bought a 2017 Kia Sportage. We love it!

by Anonymousreply 18907/19/2020

Thanks, R178

by Anonymousreply 19007/19/2020

VW? They have been a mess since the emissions scandal.

Nissan? I own and said never again.

You want the two shittiest foreign cars and I owned them both. I've not heard anything wrong with the Accord? I drove a rental Mazda and had a ball. What about the Subaru Crosstrek. I like the way they look. My neighbor has one and likes it.

by Anonymousreply 19107/19/2020

Subaru is overpriced for what you get. If you don’t care about cargo space the Crosstrek /Forester is fine.

Also Honda and Toyota is better for MPG. I’m shocked at how people ignore MPG. Honda and Toyota are almost 20% better than many “competitors” - that’s a huge savings of ownership.

by Anonymousreply 19207/20/2020

What good is MPG is the car is leaking gas into the oil tank or having engine problems?

by Anonymousreply 19307/20/2020

if

by Anonymousreply 19407/20/2020

Honda and Toyota are the most reliable and have the lowest repair costs compared to most other brands.

by Anonymousreply 19507/20/2020

As long as you don’t mind the burning gas smell then yeah, ok.

by Anonymousreply 19607/20/2020

I don't drive (I take Lyft and Uber everywhere), but if I had the money and wanted to start driving, I'd buy the Genesis G90.

Yes, I'm under 30. The old brands are great, but I really like this one.

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R195 is posting from 1996.

by Anonymousreply 19807/20/2020

Very pretty.

by Anonymousreply 19907/20/2020

Sorry.

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Have they really started selling BYD cars in America? Warren Buffet is an investor.

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by Anonymousreply 20107/20/2020

Average 36mpg in my 2010 Mini Cooper (not a Sport model). If the newer models are getting worse than that, then that is another reason to look toward electric when he dies.

by Anonymousreply 20207/20/2020

CITY MILES, R202? I think NOT.

by Anonymousreply 20307/20/2020

The G90 is a beautiful car...

by Anonymousreply 20407/21/2020

R202 There's a new refreshed electric Mini. I'm surprised by DL's like of practical small cars even if most of them are small SUVs/crossovers. I'd recommend the Tesla

by Anonymousreply 20507/21/2020

R202 There's a new refreshed electric Mini. I'm surprised by DL's like of practical small cars even if most of them are small SUVs/crossovers. I'd recommend the Tesla

by Anonymousreply 20607/21/2020

Model 3 as an upgrade for those currently with a Prius, but Elon's behavior is awful.

by Anonymousreply 20707/21/2020

I can’t stand that Tesla IPad-style dashboard. All the car’s controls, displays, gauges are on there. Seems like a poor design and very distracting while driving. Dealbreaker for me.

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Has Honda fixed their A/C problems? I have read several reports that it's an issue with several models.

I also don't love CVT and I believe that's all they have right now?

I like a crossover/SVU type of car. The RAV4 seems way overpriced. I like the looks of the Nissan Rogue, but I don't think I'd do Nissan again. The CRV looks a little too boring for me, and I hate the HRV interior. I'm really thinking about the Civic Hatchback. I like the look a lot and I drove a friend's and liked it. I did feel a little low to the ground, though.

by Anonymousreply 20907/21/2020

Most people who want crossovers, in my experience, don’t need them really.

by Anonymousreply 21007/21/2020

Maybe because I do a lot of work on my weekend house but I can’t live without an SUV. Otherwise I always end up borrowing siblings cars. I love the CRV - drives like a car, great on gas, great safety features - and huge cargo for its size. Unexciting and unglamorous - but an amazing deal for the money.

by Anonymousreply 21107/21/2020

The CR-V is regularly rated as the best in its class. Does everything well at a reasonable price. But yes, it’s boring and plain...an appliance.

by Anonymousreply 21207/21/2020

Thoughts on this Nissan Rogue? I had somewhat sworn off Nissan, but everyone I know who has a Rogue loves it....and I love that huge sunroof.

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Why don’t you wait for the redesigned 2021 Rogue?

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I have a Civic and I like it although I occasionally get pangs of regret at not getting something flashier because it is a little dull. One thing I noticed while shopping is that it's quite feature-packed for what you pay. I was looking at the Volvo site yesterday and they're heavily advertising their automated systems like adaptive cruise control and accidental lane-change warnings. Volvo is marketing them as a luxurious feature and they're standard on every Civic! Of course you lose the excellent finishes of a high-end car, but if you're not the flashy type they're a really good compromise. Same goes for the Accord if you want something bigger.

by Anonymousreply 21507/22/2020

Most crossovers look similar to one another. That is why they’re so dull. And they all pretty much ride the same. Save for the Hyundai Kona or Mitsubishi Outlander. They ride like shit.

by Anonymousreply 21607/22/2020

Ohhhhh.....R214, I do like that 2021 Rogue.

I do think that dealerships in smaller towns often have better deals. This Hyundai dealership is about 2 hours from me, but I have a friend who bought a car there and had a great experience.

This Kona is cute. It doesn't have the bells and whistles of the Rogue I linked, but probably is lot more fun and maybe, reliable?

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And if I really wanted to make a statement...

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by Anonymousreply 21807/22/2020

I was shopping for a new car but realized there's no where to go since everything is shut down. I'll wait and see what's on sale in mid 2021.

by Anonymousreply 21907/22/2020

From all the endorsements for its simplicity, safety and lack of any style, I have decided to buy a Honda CR-V.

Will buy it after X-mas before NYE.

Thanks DL!

by Anonymousreply 22007/22/2020

I want something tiny. Honda CR-V will not do.

by Anonymousreply 22107/22/2020

G90 Stardust. Lovely.

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by Anonymousreply 22207/22/2020

Honda CR-V gets great review but everytime I look at it I think it looks like a raised minivan.

by Anonymousreply 22307/23/2020

r223, as with men, I am looking for a husband not a hookup.

by Anonymousreply 22407/23/2020

R222 that I fetching. But I don’t think that that version is coming to North America.

by Anonymousreply 22507/23/2020

The Genesis sure does copy a lot of Bentley styling

by Anonymousreply 22607/23/2020

I want some size, heft ...at 6'1" I want easy-open big doors, leather interior, a but of luxe. Have dibs on 2020 dealer's-model or in-from-lease models when 2021 Esalades hit showrooms. Did this in 2005 and 2012, very pleased with results, dealer service, General Motors quality.

by Anonymousreply 22707/23/2020

CNN Business today:

Demand for the Kia Telluride SUV is so high dealers can't keep them on their lots

By Peter Valdes-Dapena, CNN Business

IUpdated 2:33 PM EDT, Thu July 23, 2020

by Anonymousreply 22807/23/2020

Honda CRV is a lady car. Fraus, lesbians & divorcees drive them. I’m sure we’ll be flooded with “I’m a big strapping man who drives a CRV” posts, but have you ever seen a man get out of a CRV? Didn’t think so. It’s a wife car.

by Anonymousreply 22907/24/2020

In the New York suburbs - YES. Maybe in the boonies of Oklahoma they don't, R229.

by Anonymousreply 23007/24/2020

r211 had the correct response, r229.

Besides a capacious, work horse of a vehicle is exactly what a "strapping man" would want in a wife car.

Again, I have been sold on the

Honda CR-V LX FWD [I have done my homework.]

Looking to get it for under $25K at the end of the year.

by Anonymousreply 23107/24/2020

If anybody likes Nissans, they are currently doing the most discounting of any makes at the moment.

by Anonymousreply 23207/24/2020

You can get a 2020 Rogue or Altima for 20% off the MSRP.

by Anonymousreply 23307/24/2020

Isn't this the time of then year when dealers start discounting the 2020s to make room for the 2021s which arrive in a few months?

by Anonymousreply 23407/24/2020

I have a Infiniti and it is a piece of garbage, therefore I will not buy a Nissan.

by Anonymousreply 23507/24/2020

The bloom fell off Infiniti’s rose when Renault bought a stake in Nissan. The quality and workmanship Nissan was known for went the way of a Kardashian girl’s virginity.

by Anonymousreply 23607/24/2020

R231 - how weird that’s exactly what I decided. FWD - as I don’t drive through the tundra and it saves on MPG. LZ because I don’t need bells and whistles - and they now have Honda Sensing standard on LX.

I found one in MD that dropped to $26 - but nothing in NY area anywhere less then $27.6. There aren’t a lot of FWD at lots - so not sure there are going to be deals on them at year end. More like the higher end EX and Touring AWD.

Crazy that a 2019 with 40k miles is $23k. Used Honda’s are crazy expensive - makes much more sense to buy new.

by Anonymousreply 23707/24/2020

[quote]Crazy that a 2019 with 40k miles is $23k. Used Honda’s are crazy expensive - makes much more sense to buy new.

Hondas hold their value better, because Honda doesn’t sell to rental car companies or do other fleet sales. So the used car market isn’t flooded with former rentals from Honda like it is with Nissans and Hyundais.

by Anonymousreply 23807/25/2020

I have a Subaru and it’s been great. I was initially very hesitant to buy a car with CVT transmission, so I purchased the extended warranty which I have not needed to use 5 years later. My car still looks new and runs great so I will be keeping it as long as possible.

by Anonymousreply 23907/25/2020

r237, In Las Vegas (here) the economy is for shit. I see numerous offers for CR-V LXs all under the list of $26K.

I think, for an ugly car - a bonus, that there will be deals during our annual Happy Honda Days! at the end of the year.

Price AND financing.

by Anonymousreply 24007/25/2020

If you are getting the LX with 2 wheel drive CRV I am going to tell you exactly what to offer.

$23,000 Then walk away.

They will counter with something around $25,000.

Either stay at 23 if you can wait a couple weeks. Don’t budge.

Or meet them at $24 and it’s yours.

But remember you have to add taxes and fees (should be around $1500 or less)

by Anonymousreply 24107/25/2020

Why would anyone buy a crossover without AWD?

by Anonymousreply 24207/25/2020

Better gas mileage R242. There is absolutely no need for it in most of the country. The 4 days a year it snows are not worth 10-15% more in gas every year. I also happen to prefer the way FWD drives - AWD feels weird.

by Anonymousreply 24307/25/2020

OK, can some savvy DLer talk me out of upgrading from a CR-V LX to a EX?

Is the blind spot camera a thing?

Is it worth shedding some of the satellite buttons and going for the integrated screen?

Help me Obi Wans...

by Anonymousreply 24407/27/2020

We still have our Isotta-Fraschini, which we bought cheap from the original owner way be. It's one of those cars for which you have to have a driver, but it does make an impression. Hell to find parts, though.

by Anonymousreply 24507/27/2020

[quote] Is the blind spot camera a thing?

Yes, as is the cross traffic alert. It’ll warn you of some cunt flying through the parking lot as your trying to back out of your spot.

by Anonymousreply 24607/27/2020

R244, for me the Apple CarPlay which comes on the EX, is a necessity for streaming music options and navigation. I also prefer the moonroof on the EX.

by Anonymousreply 24707/28/2020

I had same question. Now that Honda Sensing is on LX as of 2020, no need for EX. Sunroof, Apple Play, interiors are irrelevant to me. Just want that awesome Honda Sensing.

by Anonymousreply 24807/28/2020

Again DONT buy a 2020 until 2021 or buy a leftover 2019...you will save a lot and have much less depreciation on your vehicle

by Anonymousreply 24907/28/2020

The 2020 LX CR-V now has the far-superior 1.5 liter turbo engine standard, which used to only be available on the EX and higher trims.

by Anonymousreply 25007/28/2020

The CR-V is Honda’s best-selling model, and one of the top-sellers among all vehicles in the US. So don’t expect to get a lot of discounts no matter when you buy one. Better deals are available on sedans like the Accord which are slower-selling.

by Anonymousreply 25107/28/2020

Anyone besides Honda whores here?

by Anonymousreply 25207/28/2020

Yes R252

by Anonymousreply 25307/28/2020

I've been looking for a new car on CarGurus.com I like their search function.

by Anonymousreply 25407/28/2020

Car Supply PLUMMETS! You Need to Wait until the End of the Year If You Want to Get a Good Deal!!

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by Anonymousreply 25507/28/2020

I love Cargurus too. And I’m looking for a CRV. Who knew I’m a DL stereotype?

The car market is weird right now - and I need to buy a car. But I would think since car manufacturers shut down for 3+ months, the supply at end for year would be worse?

I’ve read 2 articles today about the insanely hot used car market. So now used cars are expensive - new cars aren’t being made, I don’t see deals happening in 3 months,

by Anonymousreply 25607/28/2020

I want a mini cooper. Anyone here have one, anyone have any thoughts about them? I hear they were once unreliable, but now are much better.

by Anonymousreply 25707/28/2020

Lease, yes for as long as it's on the warranty. Buy, no, because fixes are BMW expensive.

Tiny back seat, almost everything is optional and a rough, rough ride. The base engine has only three cylinders. The four cylinder gets crappy mileage. Still a average repair rate and the repairs are expensive.

It's a niche vehicle. If you want that look, expect to pay for it.

by Anonymousreply 258Last Wednesday at 5:10 AM

I Uber-Ed in a Chevrolet Malibu yesterday home from work. Awful awful car. Cheap feeling like and rough riding. And it had that annoying start-stop contraption which made the car jerk from a stoplight. This is why no one buys American cars...it ain’t just about crossovers-Asia and Europe sell both cars and SUVs. They dominate both markets because they make solid products. US automakers make shit. They are abandoning the car market because of the larger profit margins crossovers get which keep the shareholders and CEOs swimming in money. And they make shitty cars. Their crossovers and SUVs are shitty too, but more money can be made from them.

by Anonymousreply 259Last Wednesday at 5:19 AM

I would love to buy American - but the poor reliability is a deal breaker. Prices are good though.

by Anonymousreply 260Last Wednesday at 5:27 AM

lincoln navigator long-wheelbase.....................you won't regret it.............absolutely awesome SUV.......

by Anonymousreply 261Last Wednesday at 6:21 AM

Like someone said: when you buy American, you're paying for inflated executive pay. Not the case with Asian or European.

by Anonymousreply 262Last Wednesday at 6:25 AM

I’m shocked at how different prices are based on location. I’m in Mid-Atlantic and there is like a 5% difference on prices within a 100 mile radius.

by Anonymousreply 263Last Wednesday at 7:55 AM

Why would anyone buy a CR-V over an Accord sedan? The CR-Vs are so small that you don't get much more room than the Accord. The Accord has a nicer interior, more comfortable ride and better gas mileage. You also can get a better deal than on a CR-V, saving you a few thousand dollars.

by Anonymousreply 264Last Wednesday at 8:10 AM

Because you get dissed on the roadway by SUVs & trucks. You’re way down there & they’re up here.

by Anonymousreply 265Last Wednesday at 8:25 AM

Umm.. the CRV has 70 cubic feet of storage space vs.....a trunk. That’s it’s main selling point to me over every other type of car - very large storage space for a vehicle that drives like a car, is affordable, gets good MPG and is safe. When I’m 70, I’ll get an Accord. Now I need to haul stuff regularly between places and couldn’t live without an SUV’s storage - but hate the monster cars.

by Anonymousreply 266Last Wednesday at 12:48 PM

I drive a 1989 Honda CRX that still runs like a top. However, now that I'm, um, older the low-to-the-ground CRX can be awkward to get in and out of. That's why I'm looking at CRVs and HRVs. It would be nice to get UP into a car instead of DOWN.

by Anonymousreply 267Last Wednesday at 1:13 PM

I don’t need a crossover. There’s only me.

by Anonymousreply 268Last Wednesday at 1:47 PM

Very happy with my Audi A4. Bought it slightly used and it was certified for 6 years/100k

by Anonymousreply 269Last Friday at 12:05 PM

Just discovering the 2020 Ford Escape reviews. Seems everyone is impressed with the updates - and reliability is now very good. Also looks much more slick than I expected - better than the other CUVs.

Escape is $22k with full safety features and Apple Car Play - vs $28k for Honda CRV with same features. Leaning towards the Escape - can get new vs a 3 year old 45k mile CRV

by Anonymousreply 270Last Friday at 12:44 PM

I liked the way that the escapes used to look like you can get good visibility from them but the 2020s changed the design and now they seem to have obscured visibility like every other car these days.

by Anonymousreply 271Last Friday at 1:16 PM

[quote] I drive a 1989 Honda CRX that still runs like a top

How many time has it been stolen?

by Anonymousreply 272Last Friday at 1:49 PM

I have a Honda Ridgeline 2017(bought new). Zero issues. I'm 64 and it's easy to get in and out of. Very comfortable. Easy to park. Lots of storage. Front wheel drive so plenty of interior space. Great gas mileage. Easy maintenance. It really is the perfect small truck. I have no regrets about buying it. We used to have horses. Still have two other trucks. The "Ridge" hauled horse feed and hay just fine.

by Anonymousreply 273Last Friday at 2:29 PM

I just bought a new BMW X5 - I've had several other BMWs over the years but this one far exceeds the others. My last car was 6 yrs old and I can't believe how technology and gadgets have advanced in new cars.

by Anonymousreply 274Last Saturday at 11:20 AM

R272: None. I have a garage space for it, so it's not parked on the street. It was broken into once with intent to steal, but I (still) have a LoJack on the car, and they couldn't get past it. So they stole the battery.

by Anonymousreply 275Last Saturday at 12:11 PM
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