The eight-year marriage of Guy Maddin and Madonna: what was that all about?

Her wanting a career in movies.

WHO????????!!!!!!!

Most women don't dig pegging their husbands.

Madge, of course, would rape a man with a bowling pin on the high altar of St. Paul's if she thought it could get her a few more magazine covers and some units sold.

This marriage happened when Goop was her best friend and they both wanted to marry successful, younger Brits. Goop snagged Chris Martin.

I was married to Madonna for EIGHT YEARS?! Damn, this hydroponic super-weed is a lot stronger than it was in the 60s, I don't remember a thing.

Madonna was married to Guy Ritchie, OP.

Can you believe he threw a juicy role in his b/w art film to Isabella Rossellini instead of his wife?

Madonna married Ritchie in 2000 and Goop followed suit by marrying Coldplay's Chris Martin in 2003, after dating him for about a year. Both continued to be close friends up to Madonna's divorce in 2008. They all lived in north London during that period too. It was the Britpop era of Tony Blair when the English were considered super cool. That all ended in 2008. Madonna moved back to LA and Goop and Martin followed suit. Their marriage staggered on but finished in 2014.

She was eager to reinvent herself again. Moving to England was a complete change of pace and it gave her access to a director so she could finally prove herself an actress

She got Swept Away

Silly OP. That’s not Guy Maddin. That’s Guy Fieri.

[quote]But she usually goes for Hispanic or Mediterranean-looking men, not WASPs.

Sean Penn....Warren Beatty...

[quote] It was the Britpop era of Tony Blair when the English were considered super cool.

And Guy “Maddin” was considered an edgy, relevant director.

Sorry for the Guy Maddin/Guy Ritchie flub.

Madonna was married to Guy Madison?

So she could wear this.

She was married to Guy Smiley, Rose.

It was the fingers.

And Guy “Maddin” was considered an edgy, relevant director.'

Yep. The early 2000s were the high point of his career. Chris Martin actually turned out to be a much better catch whose career peaked in about 2008,-2012, but Madonna was too old for him. I thought it was hilarious when he surfaced from his heartbreak and snagged Jennifer Lawrence for a year and then Dakota Johnson for several (and ongoing). Both beautiful women in their 20s. Goop cannot have been expecting that.

Madonnas move to England derailed her career momentum. I remember watching Madonna interviewing Guy and how he condescendingly kept calling her ‘Mrs. Ritchie’ the whole time.

What did he see in her? She was still extremely beautiful in 2000, super-rich and successful, and able to elevate his profile in a way few things could. As crazy as I'm sure she is, she's also very intelligent and charismatic, so I don't see why he wouldn't be at least interested.

As for what she could see in him? He was also very attractive at the time, seemed to be on the way up to being a big-time director, and she's said he was one of the only men who would challenge her. As much as people talk about Madge like she's a total dominatrix type, I don't think she wanted a doormat for a partner until after she got sick of fighting with Guy all the time, and now just wants boytoys who'll do what she says full-time. Hence why since their divorce she's only dated low level models/dancers.

Chris Martin didn't fug out like Ritchie either. He was never super attractive but he at least looks the same as he did in his 30s.

Careful!

Too bad she missed the window with Guy Madison.

R20 I really don't think the move to England was what did it, she already had a kid with Ritchie when Music came out and that record was huge. Swept Away was a disaster but no one loves Madge for her acting skills. Her downfall was releasing a super-political album with American Life at a time when radio/MTV/etc. wouldn't give major support to anything criticizing the President and then Madonna backing down from releasing the "controversial" American Life video, which was the first time in her career she really overtly and obviously bowed to external pressure after making her name on challenging societal norms.

Plus she was still in England and with Ritchie when she came back with Confessions, which was also huge globally and an artistic peak.

R21 yep totally. Every relationship she had prior to him were with strong men, even abusive. The only exception was Carlos Leon and she got rid of him once their daughter was born

As I recall, Guy felt pressure to put a ring on it because her pregnancy was rough. She got placenta previa and she, or the baby. could potentially have died.

[quote]Madonna was married to Guy Ritchie, OP.

After the marriage he entered a witless protection program and changed his name, didn’t he?

Sounds like OP is a Russian living in Canada. Guess they couldn’t get into the US, we know why. 🤡

Of all the men she could have married, she chose someone that looked average as hell and has no personality. She wasted her entire 40’s playing “lady of the manor” and being submissive only to get dumped at 50.

Remember how she tried to reinvent herself into a proper British lady? Boy, that sure didn't work out.

2003 was a fantastic year for Madonna and GAP!

He was such an asshole. Over rated director and uglier than sin. She could have done much better.

[quote]it gave her access to a director so she could finally prove herself an actress

Except she never did.

[quote]He was such an asshole. Over rated director and uglier than sin. She could have done much better.

What do you mean was? He still is. And yes he was fugly even when he was younger and seems dumb as a box of rocks.

It's nice to see her previous face.

I thought Guy was hot!

R37 Anyone’s hot when you haven’t been fucked in decades dear.

Gywneth got the better Brit. Martin is worth about 200m these days.

So why did the marriage end? After all this time, no one knows?

She hit the menopause and Richie ditched her for a much younger woman because he wanted more children.

As much as I hate the bitch ( usually not always) she gave great performances in several films not least was Evita but also Dangerous Game. Wow. The ending was nuts and she was searing. She needs a strong director. Tarantino thinks she is a great actress with the right director. Google his glowing reviews of her work. She’s given shitty performances but she’s given great ones, too. I’ll go to my grave defending the cunt in Who’s That Girl. She was good in that. The film- not so much.

The only movie she was good in was Desperately Seeking Susan.

More than anything, she wanted to be a movie star. He had "heat", she thought he could make her one. The result was Swept Away and those awful BMW commercials. He also has a big dick, allegedly, so that helped.

"Madonnas move to England derailed her career momentum"

Nah, she was floundering post- Ray Of Light. She wisely realized that Europe is kinder to aging women and moved the caravan over there. She also knew the voracious British press would be feeding like piranhas on her every move in their dreary country.

She had a career peak right before Guy and had two huge albums with him- Music and Confessions. She was red hot from 96- 2010, the conclusion of that tour.

I never said it worked R34. But she thought she could and that's why he was appealing

He wasn’t going to give her a movie career. She could have had that had she done Chicago but quit when Goldie Hawn was fired for being too old. Madonna occasionally does something to remind us she’s human.

With the exception of the Confessions album, all of her music during the Guy Ritchie years sucked ass.

Music didn’t suck and I loved American Life aside from the first 2 singles.

I bet guy has one of those dicks that gets thicker as you slide down the shaft

She made him get circumcised. This was related to her Kabbalah obsession. Of course he resented her for that. I

R52 he was just as obsessed.

Speaking of Kablahblahblah, I see she STILL wears those stupid red strings, yet we don’t see photos over her leaving the center anymore. Did she stop with the meetings?

She should have done what 90% of actresses do and play herself in all her movies ( Hi Julia R). She didn’t need Guy for that. Her music career was red hot during her time with him.

R54 She’s apparently slowly distancing herself it appears.

Her personality is too strong to act. She’s given some great performances but like has been said she should have stuck to playing characters like herself like most do. I did read that Tarantino article where he glowed about her acting and David Fincher raves about her acting and always lights his female lead like he lights Madonna in her videos. It is his quirk.

He sounds like just as much of a cunt as she is. I think they cancelled each other out.

She had that accident where she was thrown off of a horse. And Guy wasn't very empathetic. Very stiff-upper-lip, like "c'mon, old girl, you're fine." She has talked about this in interviews. It really hurt her feelings almost like he was invalidating her pain and didn't care about her. It totally turned her off. She never got over it.

Remember, she's a romantic. She can handle being slapped around, yelling, anything passionate, spicy, and hot. But indifference? That's like death.

R59 like most of us. He’s an asshole and she started to see that then. She puts up huge walls but Maddie has a lot of heart behind her cunt walls.

Great pop and rock stars very rarely make great actors. Like someone upthread said, they and their personalities are too strong. To go up onstage and sing and to sing your own songs and keep an audience captivated takes nerves of steel, not like the vulnerability we expect from our movie stars. Madonna is too tough and driven and ambitious to convey quiet emotions.

She looked very beautiful in that OP’s pic

R61 yes, she’s too strong willed to be an effective actress without a strong director.

Her maverick approach worked with everything she did except for acting, where you have to reveal more of your true self than you do as a pop star. Hollywood beckoned not because she could act, but because she was Madonna, and her 80s/90s star power was in a class at the top by itself. She was her generation's Ali MacGraw, another non-actress who throughout the 70s played the lead in a string of big Hollywood movies. Robert Evans had everything to do with that.

Meg Ryan never actually studied acting and was successful. She is a rare exception.

R57 I'm surprised she never worked on a film with Fincher. All their videos together are incredible, and they seemed to enjoy working together, or at least recognized that they were a great pairing.

R59 The horse injury was definitely the end of them as a couple, from what she's said. Guy also didn't want to adopt David Banda, and most likely wouldn't have wanted to adopt the other kids Madge has since their divorce. They were already done by the time she started running around with A-Rod but I'm sure that put a final nail in the coffin too.

She looks pretty at OP.

The cunt is gorgeous, usually, and I don’t know why Fincher didn’t work with her since he adored her. He worships her. I suspect it’s because she has such a strong personality which is difficult to direct. Tarantino, an admirer of her acting, or a female like Penny suited her better. For Madonna, her personality either hindered or helped her. Not much gray.

If you have an hour to spare, you can watch a documentary about it that was done right after they got divorced. It’s actually pretty good.

She needed a male she trusted or a female director, period. She was good when she had one or the other.

Guy was not good for her. Maybe she wasn’t good for him. It worked for awhile.

Oh hell they were prolly just a coupla alpha-cunts who cunted at each other until they were cunted-out. Johnny and Amber LIte. Contempt, resentment, condescension, minus the physicality. And a lot of faking it for the press to look like the perfect successful, dreamy, creative, British, blended Kabbalah family.

She couldn’t stop being Madonna. She could never sink into another person fully. Ironically, the closest she came to being someone else was when she played Evita. You would think they were so much alike that it wouldn’t be a stretch but she ‘became’ Eva Duarte the character.

If she could have ever just fully let go and sink into another person or another world she would have been brilliant. She did better being candid than scripted. I always thought with the right director and a looser script that she could shine.

Fuck yeah her personality prevented her from being great. She had it in her.

Guy beat Madonna and she likes that. All of her husbands beat her. She doesn't love it as much now that she has systemic lupus. Madonna hasn't had sex in over 3 years. Like most of her fans.

R71 well now you're talking about Dangerous Game. Lots of improvising, very fast and loose. She was truly great in that. But I think it was too humbling for her to work that way ever again, because you are not going to look pretty when your emotions are real and raw. It's not glamorous. She was authentically scared, intimidated, crying, etc in DG -- and it was awesome.

Sting's wife, Trudie Styler played matchmaker in getting Madonna and Guy Ritchie together, she is also godmother to their kid. Newlywed Guy and Madonna went to Sting and Trudie's estate for honeymoon IIRC. It was to Trudie Styler that Guy Ritchie turned to when his marriage was going down the toilet.

I'll give you three guesses who knows all the dirt about that marriage.

OP's first pic of her and Guy - she had recently gotten cheek implants . She never had high cheekbones like that.

She was getting good dick with Guy. He has the most handsome cock.

R77 Eww! He’s disgusting!

[quote] He wasn’t going to give her a movie career. She could have had that had she done Chicago

Honey, no.

She cannot act. She has proven that to the world time and again.

[quote] And yes he was fugly even when he was younger

And yet there he is at the photo at the original post, looking very handsome.

Cheek implants? No be real queen.

[quote] She doesn't love it as much now that she has systemic lupus.

I knew it!

She has terrible taste in men. Goes back to her father marrying the help to cover his grief. A tale as old as time.

Velma in Chicago would've actually been a great role for her, I could've seen that working out beautifully because she would've been great for all Velma's numbers and the acting wouldn't have been that demanding.

I agree. That was a huge mistake.

So we agree she could a great actress with the right director like Tarantino or Fincher said. I agree.

Hard to believe old Madge once rode such prime man beauty as Guy Madison.

Her ex husband's name is Guy Ritchie.

R87

If only!

It would have been on Guy Madison's worst day, and Madonna's best.

Umm, ummm!

R80 Get your eyes checked. His goofy looking ass has never been handsome.

[QUOTE] Guy also didn't want to adopt David Banda, and most likely wouldn't have wanted to adopt the other kids Madge has since their divorce.

He wanted more bio kids.

She liked the smell of my Drakkar Noir

This music reviewer on YouTube, Todd in the Shadows, has an entire series where he reviews every Madonna movie, from the pre-fame "A Certain Sacrifice" through her 2011 directorial effort, "W.E."

The link is to his take on the Guy Ritchie-directed "Swept Away", but the whole series (called "CineMadonna") is worth checking out. The guy is super snarky (in a good way) and very funny.

His other series include "One Hit Wonderland" (self explanatory) and "Trainwreckords" (about disastrous, career-killing albums), plus he reviews current pop singles, music award shows, and does year-end best-of and worst-of lists. All good stuff.

[quote] she's also very intelligent

lmfao

Well she did end up with this.

Poor Rocco. He looks like the worst of both his parents. Still the kid has something all his own. Appealing energy, which neither of his parents possess.

Rocco just needs a haircut and some Clearasil.

Guy Madison would have been a good choice.

Celebrity marriages rarely work longterm, and the 10-year age gap between Madonna and Guy only increased the possibility of divorce.

The divorce wasn't the issue as much as her complete inability to reinvent herself after it in a dignified way. Instead of leaning into older-woman-who's-seen-it-all-and-survived-it-all-and-come-out-wiser-for-it (the Cher Maneuver), she decided to pretend she was 21 again. But even Madonna can't bully or bribe the aging process, and the result is the trainwreck you see at the top of the thread.

Madonna is partial to dark meat. She had a reputation years back of being a real skank. She would pick up young dark skinned guys off the street, take them home and have them fuck her brains out until she tired of them. It's a miracle she's still alive.

R102, so essentially she was acting like your average typical gay man.

Her best album and best look, the Confessions era, came out while she was getting fucked by Guy. I'd call that marriage was a success by Hollywood/London standards.

Guy is a sexy beast. She was a lucky gal.

Always thought Ritchie was bi.

"The only movie she was good in was Desperately Seeking Susan."

And she was playing herself in that one. Madonna so desperately wanted to be taken seriously as an actress but you can only go so far when you have no acting talent whatsoever.

In a puff piece done on her in the Rolling Stone (she was married to Sean Penn back then) it stated that she was poised to be "one of the most bankable actresses of the 80s." HAHAHA!

She tried out for a part on the tv series "Fame." But they didn't sign her on. After her audition it was decided that if they were to use her it would be in a singing/dancing scene and let her dress 'in her own clothes." Apparently she had a flair for eye-catching, overdone fashions. But I don't think she ever appeared on the show.

Didn't she make her acting debut in a Broadway production of "Speed The Plow?" I remember such a big deal was made of it; MADONNA is in it! But I remember a headline that summed up her perfomance succinctly; "NO, SHE CAN'T ACT."

R104 The Confessions album was so overrated. Definitely the best release of the boring Guy Ritchie years, but in terms of all of her albums? Not hardly her best album. Even she rarely performs songs from that album anymore.

AMERICAN LIFE is light years better than limp CONFESSIONS.

How sad to know these things about Madonna. She made two or three good albums and she never could sing. I was born the year she did that stupid like a virgin song. It's terrible in every way.

r108 well that album made her slightly relevant again with my generation until she did that abortion known as Hardy Candy.

R110 Like A Virgin did not come out in the 1950s dear.

Somebody said Cher aged gracefully? Ummmmm no. I know there are lil monsters here who are, aside from mentally fragile, sad their diva can’t score a solo hit after her comeback from 9 years of tragic flopping. Now in her late 30s is dressing like an extra from Alien and begging more popular stars to duet for streams and hits. I always know a diva is on the wane when I see somebody post an anti-Madonna thread.

Aw, I always thought Ritcie was cute, if slightly weasel faced. But that flaw hasn’t hurt Brad Cooper, who Ritchie reminds me of. Speaking of resemblances, I was just struck for the first time how Guy Madison and Jon-Erik Hexum also had a very similar look.

I was born in 1984. Isn't when Madonna first spread AIDS around the world?

R114 did your finger slip and hit that 9 instead of an 8?

In all pictures I"ve seen of Guy Ritchie with Madonna he looks totally bewildered. It's like he's thinking "how did I get into this?"

No, I wasn't born in 94, 1984. I'm 36. Madonna isn't much on my radar. Even my parents didn't like her. But I'm very aware of Whitney and Michael and Prince and Tina and a bit of Springsteen. The great and lasting talents of the 1980s.

^^ .

I saw Madonna in Speed the Plow. I wouldn't say she was extremely bad. She had charisma. It's the motion picture art that doesn't mix with her. Otherwise she can hold a stage and also music videos, and photo studios. It's just acting in the movies. It doesn't catch. She was watchable in the doc Truth or Dare.

I was surprised she actually married him. He never amounted to anything coming close to her level of fame and notoriety, which is why you don’t marry a woman at the level of Madonna, if you have anything other than being her husband, to set you apart from the rest.

I figured she just wanted to experience the whole destination wedding in a castle with Guy’s knobby knees peeking out from his kilt, and some bag pipes to get the party started.

Boredom, too much money, & Trudie playing matchmaker in London = the convergence of events that knocked Madonna off her high horse, proving she had spent years riding a jackass.

Women like her should never get married. “Strong” men cannot handle seeing themselves with a set of knockers & a vagina. Someone should have been kinder to her and told her that tidbit from the gate.

Great post, r120.

R117 oh sweetie we know you collect social security.

[quote] He never amounted to anything coming close to her level of fame and notoriety, which is why you don’t marry a woman at the level of Madonna, if you have anything other than being her husband, to set you apart from the rest.

Honey, it's not a competition. It's a [italic]marriage. [/italic]

People are supposed to marry one another because they love each other and care for one another, not so they can be competing titans who feel the other is up to their level of fame and fabulousness.

Maybe that was the problem, if either of them thought like you do.

I wish! I have decades to go before that R122. But in my career I don't need to worry much about social security. I'm good. Thanks.

R124 suuuuuure

She was great in many roles. I agree she needed a strong director. David Fincher worships her. Madonna is the bitch you have to wrangle a great performance out of her. She too strong willed for her own good. Dangerous Game proved that. She was phenomenal in that because Abel made her uncomfortable. That is what good directors do. And she rose to the occasion.

I suspect the colossal, embarrassing failure of "Swept Away" was the death blow.

They both were in desperate need of a hit. Instead, together they produced not just a bad movie, not just an unsuccessful movie, but one of the absolute worst movies of the decade.

It was ill-conceived from the get-go, incompetently executed by Ritchie, and featured one of the worst performances of Madonna's entire film career, which is basically a collection of awful performances.

They probably blamed each other for the failure, and their dream of being the great cinematic couple of the new millennium went up in flames.

R117, you misread and missed the joke.

Guy Richie was an oaf and a boor. (According to Madonna's brother in his book.) IMO, Madonna was at an age when women just want to have a husband, at any cost. (Even a very rich and famous woman.) They got married at the end of Madonna's fertility window.

Oh, look, "Hints from Heloise" has arrived at r123 to enlighten us on how humans are "supposed to" marry each other.

Please. I know of several successful marriages where love had nothing to do with entering a marriage contract. The fact is, parties enter into a marriage contract for all kinds of good, bad, financial, emotional and mental reasons. Love may also have something to do with it.

Swept Away was bad but not nearly as bad as it is made out. Madonna was zero % body fat after touring. Her performance was much better second half of the movie but again he wasn’t a strong enough director for her. She needs a super strong one to pull a great performance out of her.

She should've married Guy Maddin! I think she would've been interesting in one of his films.

She had the star quality in spades sadly she needed a titanium director to pull her potential out of her.

R132 Madonna in "Careful" trying her damndest not to sing!

Oh look, r130 is a cold cynical asshole who doesn't even know what "Hints from Heloise" was.

That is exactly how straight men think R123, where have you been living? Men CANNOT handle being the financial or career inferior to their women, even if it means a life of luxury for them. If more straight men could their lives be a breeze from start to finish but they just can't.let.go.that.ego.

I get the sense that Guy was probably not that romantic. And not super giving, in the sack. It's just a hunch. Cuz he's a macho man. I can imaging him always being a bit distracted, having work on his mind, making business calls, etc. Not super involved with the child-rearing. And certainly not into having family funk-offs like she has always liked to do. He's so...British.

AND he owned a pub, I mean, c'mon. He just wanted go down the pub and play darts and have a few pints after a long day. Not reenact the Justify My Love video every night with his needy wife.

I think Rocco is a cutie!

Madonna wanted to marry into the English aristocracy and Guy Ritchie was the closest she could get. I always felt that Sean Penn was the real love of her life.

R139 of course he was. But he was abusive so she ended it. I think she liked passion but not to that extreme.

I bet she had a complete meltdown when when Guy got with the girl who is now his wife. Could you imagine your ex starting a new life and family with YOUR money? That would eat me up inside. No wonder she lost her mind.

R139 Sean Penn 100% was the true love of her life. They're still friends now even after all the abuse and she covered for him when he sued Lee Daniels for talking about Penn being abusive saying none of it ever happened despite tons of evidence to the contrary (including her own song!).

She could be Vanessa Paradis’ older sister in OP’s photo.

IMO, who gives a shit if Sean Penn was the love of her life. He turned into a crackpot.

Sean is a national treasure albeit a kinda crazy one. He’s a good guy. Same with Madonna. It’s the Ellen Degeneras’s of the world who try to fool you. Sociopaths are the charmers who front.

Um no R145 good guys don't beat the crap out of women, cameraman, cheat on their wives etc.

R140 then why the hell did she ask Antonio Banderas if he likes to hit women???

I think Madonna has given 5 good performances- Susan, Dick Tracy, League, Dangerous and Evita. If she had accepted Fabulous Baker Boys, Ghost, Chicago and Batman Returns her movie career would have been very different.

She has a propensity to hook up with men she wants something from career wise: Jellybean Benitz for music, Sean Penn for acting, and as soon as I heard about Guy, I assumed it was for directing skills.

She sucked the hotness right out of him. I can't forgive her for that. Same goes for Clint Black and Lisa Hartman Black.

remember when she was faking that British accent? everyone hated her from that point on.

R141, yeah, she must have freaked right out. Especially since Jacqui Ansley, the second wife, looks rather like a younger, hotter Madonna.

Younger, indeed. Ainsley is 23 years younger than Madonna, which means she was a babe in arms when Madonna was running around NYC whoring it up with the local DJs.

[quote]I bet she had a complete meltdown when when Guy got with the girl who is now his wife. Could you imagine your ex starting a new life and family with YOUR money?

It's not HER money. The money you make when you're husband and wife is shared money, which is why people get settlements in divorces.

if she didn't want to share her money, she should never have married him (or at least have forced him to sign a strong pre-nup).

I have zero sympathy for her.

[quote] If she had accepted Fabulous Baker Boys, Ghost, Chicago and Batman Returns her movie career would have been very different.

She would have been awful in all of them.

You just cannot sell a "what might have been" scenario with Madonna's acting and have anyone except the most insane stans accept it. She was given tons of opportunities to show she could act, and she failed time and again.

Face it: as an actress, she stinks on ice.

The only time Madonna was good was that sketch on SNL when Barbra Streisand showed up--the one with Mike Myers. She was funny, likeable--for the only time in her entire career.

I never got it either he was one ugly mother fucker and a poor mans Tarantino (who isn’t even that great to begin with)

Ritchie was and is not ugly. She’s gone through decades with this reinvention bullshit. She married him for multiple reasons. She wanted to become lady of the English manor. And as others have noted, he was on the cusp of being a serious, popular director. She was still hungry as hell to be taken seriously as an actress, so if he could do that for her so be it. Remember when she did that cringe worthy English accent and the press tore her a new one? There’s this level of superficiality and phoniness that Madonna could never get eradicate and it’s her own doing. She’s 61 and she still carries on like a 21 year old on social media. Ritchie does seem kind of dumb but he is hot. I can’t imagine having to deal with her day in day out. It’s a miracle the marriage lasted as long as it did.

Call me crazy but he looks like he can throw a mean fuck when in the mood. Probably has a nice thick hog and a naughty streak. It's a shame that all of Madonna's children turned out ugly to basic, minus the adopted ones. Thankfully they all have enough money to get attractive people to kiss their asses to the end of time.

They were an attractive couple.

R159 yeah that’s a good pic of them. He may be lousy in the sack as far as she’s concerned, but as a gay guy if he finished under five minutes in my mouth I’d be cool with that.

I’ll always love them together.

R154 It is insane to me that she didn't have him sign a pre-nup. Probably her biggest mistake of all time, especially since the years they were married were when she made a ton of money touring.

I never liked her with Guy Ritchie.

I was very happy, though, when she married Jasmine Guy and moved into Jasmine's house.

But then I was heartbroken when they broke up in front of it one night.

Madonna still loves Sean, he was the great love of her life. I’m sure i’ve read her saying that and not that long ago either. They’re still in touch.

Mo + Sean 4EVA

Guy Richie was sexy but not as good-looking, IMO, as some of you are saying. Also, shoot me, but he did not look upper-class, if that was the goal (Madonna affecting English accent, etc.). He looks working class, to me. I can see him in a pub in Ireland, actually. That's not a bad thing.

In the red carpet photos, Guy was always clinging to Madonna's arm. I think he was really uncomfortable as Mr. Madonna.

I think he was born upper middle class but his mother remarried into the upper class, she married a baronet I think, or a sir.

Was this his family's home because it looks modest for a star as big as Madonna.

Guy looks like a doughy chav when he was young. But cute!! Rocco looks like mom + dad but he's a bit short. R159 in typical low IQ snark mentions "all of Madonna's children turned out ugly to basic, minus the adopted ones" - so that would be 2, you dumb cunt, Rocco and Lourdes and Lourdes is pretty (her father is very handsome) and we'll have to take a wait and see on Rocco but he's not "basic". He has a lot of character in his looks and he also seems VERY interested in fashion. He dresses and looks like a 30s gangster.

I bet if Madonna would have shot out 6 more children from her own vag, 1 of them would have been a real pearl.

I agree Lourdes is very pretty but I think Rocco looks gross

r168 this r159, I took another look at Lourdes's recent pictures. I was wrong, she looks fine. Rocco ain't it baby. He's short and wide. It will only get worse.

Guy's new wife may be much younger than Madonna but no way is she hotter, certainly not hotter than Madonna was in her prime. The new wife is as basic looking as they come in both face and body.

But it's Madonna's fault that the new wife is living off the money she worked so hard for- if Madonna didn't have such an ego and looked at marriage practically she would have had a prenup or avoided marriage altogether. She refused to contemplate a scenario in which they wouldn't love each other anymore and he would take her money. Get off your high horse Madge!

It's simply that I don't think Rocco is handsome but I don't think he is "basic" - he's pretty distinctive looking.

Madonna never shot out kids from her vag- she had cesarean sections with both. Both were complicated pregnancies. She almost died with Rocco.

And that ungrateful brat couldn't be bothered to give his mother any attention but will spend her money as if he earned it.

How do you know this R174?

R175 it’s because she’s strict and Guy lets Rocco smoke pot and drink at 16 on. You don’t David spending a lot of time with Guy. He seems to adore his mother. Rocco is probably fucking his step mum.

R176 Madonna talked about having pregnancy complications with Rocco in interviews.

[quote] Her best album and best look, the Confessions era

Lay off the pipe.

[quote] Madonna never shot out kids from her vag- she had cesarean sections with both.

Because she had herpes.

She’s had 15 abortions and that’s not a reference to her albums.

R180 suuuuuure gag/Jan Stan.

Both of Madonna’s kids are tragic-looking. She cut her losses and bought some new kids.

R182 I agree you’re looking in the mirror.

r180, that's only if you have an active Herpes flare up when giving birth. Otherwise, it's safe to deliver vaginally. I would hazard that she does not have childbearing hips.

Her black daughter, the older one, is very beautiful and I think it is sweet that Lourdes had her name tattooed on her.

Eleven abortions, not fifteen.

R186 debunked and impossible.

She had 3- 1 elective and 2 on doctors orders. The elective one was with Jelly Bean. Well documented and she admitted it. Both were devastated but timing was bad. 2nd with Tony Ward. They wanted it HE says doctor advised an abortion due to risk to mother but he didn’t elaborate. 3rd was with Andy Bird also doctor recommended an abortion due to complications. The other numbers were attempts at slut shaming and defaming her. They were debunked and one of her friends who said she had earlier ones recanted. Her Breakfast Club boyfriend for 2 years said it’s all untrue. She was big on protection.

R188 She had numerous miscarriages. I’m not sure how many but a few of those were Wrongly reported to be abortions. She discussed how both pregnancies that produced children were problematic. If she was abortion happy her getting pregnant as Evita, her most prized and sought after role, would have been the most likely time as it really threw the production into chaos. She legit could have lost the role easily being pregnant at that time.

She lost several with Penn which I always chalked up to him punching her in the gut.

R190 she lost one with him it was probably due to stress.

[quote] Guy's new wife may be much younger than Madonna but no way is she hotter,

How [italic]could[/italic] she be?

HOTNESS!!

England neither has nor recognizes prenups. Madonna couldn't have had one even if she'd wanted it. Not if you marry in England.

She literally said she had multiple abortions. She had more than 4. The woman slept with people for records and had serious body odor.

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When they got together he seemed like he might be a British Tarantino, but that never panned out. And after Music, Madonna just increasingly lost her way, with the modest exception of Confessions.

Not really a good deal for either of them.

Ritchie came back with the Sherlock Holmes movies, which made a lot of money. Aladdin and The Gentlemen also did really well. I don't know if you could call those good movies, but they were successful ones.

R196 Jacqui looks way too similar to Lourdes. It's creepy 🤢

R97 nailed it with the Tarantino comment. Guy’s early films were stylish modern gangster films. I don’t think he ever wanted to find himself directing a fucking Disney movie for a paycheck.

Oops. Meant R197.

Madonna should've married Madden. Then she could've satisfied her insatiable list by doing the whole roster.

*Lust

Which means that Jacqui looks a bit like a younger Madonna--the big eyes and high cheekbones. Ritchie seems to have a type.

R195 nope u fucking liar. What gags not doing well enough you lash out? Poor thing.

^^In reply to R199

Lourdes despised Guy.

Well, Aladdin made over a billion at the box office, which means Ritchie will have the clout to do his modern gangster films (like The Gentlemen which came out a bit after Aladdin). Most directors have to make those kinds of compromises these days.

He was a gold digger. Taking her money makes him the ultimate pussy.

R207 why???

From what we have seen Guy has magnificent uncut sizemeat! Ancient sizemologist Madonna was certainly attracted to that as well as the possibility that Guy could possibly make her a movie star. We chuckled when we saw the divorce settlement: Madonna had to cough up mega millions to pay Guy to leave!

Lourdes peaked at 3. Now, she looks like a Guidice kid.

Rocco got a stylist, thank god, and looks SO much better than he did before he fled back to his dad. What was that shit Madonna was doing on her Instagram with him? Something about #NoSausage? What the fuck?

Ritchie is constantly writing and directing big ticket movies so.

Whet Tony Ward anyway? He was so soooooo hot. Why didn’t she marry him? Maybe he’s not the marrying kind.

R123, are you a woman who married or had a LTR with a man who made significantly less money than you, and can debate this with me on grounds that are valid due to your personal experiences and outcomes? If not, then please consider the following:

Abusive men make relationships and/or marriage, about power plays and competition. Whether the partner/wife is rich or poor, is not as relevant as is the abuser’s need to be right, be revered, and have final say. That’s just how it goes with these dudes.

When Guy’s “gristle” comment made it to the gossip rags, I immediately understood what type of person Guy was, how he viewed women, marriage, himself, and particularly, his wife and mother of his children.

That gristle narrative is extremely powerful, and is still used against ***MADONNA, NOT GUY***, when referencing their failed marriage and divorce.

Doubtful? Then please reference this thread as backup to my argument. How many times have people referenced Madonna’s looks, age, fertility, as what were necessary factors for this marriage to succeed? How many times is it inferred that as soon as any of these aforementioned traits became unavailable to Ritchie, from Madonna, Ritchie couldn’t justify sustaining a marriage anymore?

What do you think these comments mean? To me, they mean that this marriage was indeed a competitive sport for Ritchie, which is why the final blow he dealt to his wife, was a calculated one, to make her responsible for failing to provide Ritchie with her only worthwhile attributes: youth, beauty, sex, pregnancy, and children.

That “gristle” comment was genius, in that it had overreach like nothing else.

Why?

Because like Ritchie and the rest of us, everyone has a yearly birthday. Inevitably, Madonna would continue to age. Just by existing and not dropping dead, her aging process became a reason to further justifying Ritchie’s divorce from her, and equivocating her true value as an artist, as a performer, as a human being, and MOST importantly, as a woman, to that of a brand new sports car being driven off the lot onto the streets, as soon as anyone buys it, turns it on, and drives.

I have never met Ritchie, but I’ve met plenty of assholes like him, and as soon as I read that gristle comment back in the day, I knew how he had viewed his marriage, his wife, and women in general - exactly how almost every single abusive fuck does: a competition.

He’s not alone, btw. He’s in “great” company and by great numbers, just in this thread, alone.

Have a nice day, R123. <3.

You are correct in both posts R215 except for one thing- no one should have to tell Madonna this, she should have been able to figure it out on her own. She was/is not a sheltered young thing, she is and was a worldly savvy grown woman who didn't want to look around and view men realistically. Yes he was abusive and yes there are few good partners for successful women or women in general, which is why she should have realized marriage was not a good option. If anyone was in the position to have as many children as possible without a man by her side, it was Madonna.

Guy Ritchie got a very nice landed country estate, Ashcombe House, Wiltshire, as part of the divorce settlement.

Ashcombe House, Wiltshire was once owned by Sir Cecil Beaton.

R216, true, maybe.

However, being human, while also being savvy, intelligent, experienced, and even thoughtful, does not negate the desire for companionship, nor does it disqualify one, nor does it demand a choice between attempting to have a successful union with another, nor does it place the burden of success of a marriage, solely on one’s shoulders, while denying the other partner self-awareness, participation, contribution to the success of the marriage, and the commitment to developing and practicing behaviors that sustain the relationship.

What you propose is full responsibility on Madonna, when falling in love is usually always an endeavor wrought with risk, and requiring both parties to set aside that risk, in favor of trust, communication, and honesty.

If we were to consistently consider marriage or commitments to a romantic partner as a corporate merger or compose risk analysis, then where exactly does the trust in someone else come in, and without hope that a partner will be trustworthy, is the risk behind the entire thing, and that cannot happen without two people agreeing to say, “Fuck it. Let’s see if we can do this for the long haul!”

👆🏽This👆🏽 is called falling in love, & it happens so that people draw parameters called boundaries, around their relationship, and within that relationship. Those boundaries are expectations, not realized benchmarks, to be measured on a quarterly and annual basis. A marriage doesn’t become self-actualized, nor does it reach a perfect moment or a perfect time. It changes and adjusts, and with healthy, non exploitative, non abusive people, it might be tested, but not necessarily corrupted.

Guy nor Madonna were expected to have perfect outcomes, and I highly doubt that either went into it expecting perfect partners. But if the partner fail to work within boundaries such as honest communication, vulnerability, and mutual respect, while avoiding emotional, mental, or physical abuses, then those boundaries were adhered to, then one can safely assume that the marriage can survive almost anything.

Someone started walking outside of those boundaries. Someone put their own individual “stuff”, before the partnership formed for a presumed and hopefully, solid, relationship.

I’m not claiming to know who went first, or to even know how, but it happened, or else they would still be married.

Madonna is a human being, who also happens to be highly successful at her career, and earned lots of money as a result. Those accomplishments do not prevent her from wanting what almost everyone eventually seeks: love. No one is required to choose either or. However, to both of our points, that in itself can be overwhelmingly threatening to someone who isn’t viewing her as an equal, and failing to do so because she’s good at what she does for income, or because she doesn’t need the things he was taught is the role of a good husband as an economic provider, rather than just being a good husband who doesn’t eventually come to a point where he starts thinking or objectifying her as a piece of meat, specifically known as gristle.

I’m assuming that to get to a point where you can feel OK with calling your wife gristle, you probably called her many other things, that were propagated toward diminishing her self esteem, and specifically, to influence how others also view her, in order to advance the objective of dressing her down, or putting her in her proper place.

He may not have been a complete asshole to her all of the time, he he definitely was some of the time, or he would have never said something so crass in the first place, and publicly so.

Men should consider that if they have reached a conclusion that their wife is the equivalent of a piece of gristle, it may be that she became a piece of gristle, because his behaviors served as the flames necessary for a piece of gristle to develop and eventually harden.

R218 They don’t see Madonna as a human being. They see her as a Caricature brought to them by decades of right wing attacks from, primarily, Murdoch owned media. They’ve learned to hate her and believe all the negative. She’s a damaged human being due to her mom’s early death and her inability to cope with it. But I’ve heard through the years that she gives so much to charity and does so many things behind the scenes but never asks for it to be publicized. I’ve read this over and over. How she’s visited cancer and AIDS wards to help those suffering and has done it for years yet only a few nurses have spilled this. There was a famous story on Oprah where Oprah surprised her with a family whose young daughter had terminal cancer and Madonna called the girl and they actually develop the friendship and the mother said Madonna called her every day until she died. They said it happened years before and no one knew about it. There’s no celebrity today I can think of that wouldn’t publicize that to death. She’s not perfect by any stretch but she gets labeled as someone who is so youth obsessed yet she always celebrates her birthday and makes a huge deal about it whereas someone like Mariah Carey refuses to have birthdays at all and calls them something like the anniversary of her 12th birthday or some crazy shit. She always goes out in track suits with no make up and a hat. Not very youth obsessed. So many celebrities go to Walgreen’s in for Oscar get up but she rarely goes out looking like that. These are some things that really made me reassess my initial negative views about her. Because I used to slam the shit out of her on here which I regret.

R218 I don't think I ever said the marriage breaking down was Madonna's fault solely, but that her losing money in the divorce was her fault. And one can have love and companionship without getting married. And marriage is a legal business decision whether people want to admit it or not.

Poor Madonna I wish she had loved herself enough not to marry beneath her.

I agree, r214: Tony Ward was hot. Has anyone ever indexed all the (famous) people Madonna has slept with? After her marriage to Guy she has not been linked to a single famous person but she used to get some prime celebrity tail.

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I get the sense that Madonna is actually quite old-fashioned when it comes to relationships with men, or at least she was when she was with Sean and Guy. Maybe she liked that they were a little hot-headed and dominant.

I've seen a few women who are seemingly very independent and headstrong kind of submit to men when they enter into a relationship, and put up with shit that they normally wouldn't if it was outside of that relationship.

He said she slept in a plastic bag full of Vaseline, or something like that.

R225 It didn't work.