Trump's ugliness - is it odd?

Go to a state fair anywhere in middle America, OP.

Trump looks like fucking Maxi Iglesias compared to a good 75% of those deplorables.

99% of Trump's hideous facial features is directly a result of years of drug use, age, and obesity.

Not to mention being a heinous human being r2

it's the over-bite that exacerbates Trump's ugliness -- a vertically long maxilla (without a gummy smile) + recessed lower jaw and chin. His entire family (children) has the exact same problem; Donald Jr, Eric, Tiffany and Barron (Ivanka had surgery)

The darkness of his soul manifests itself on his face. He was born with it - like Rosemary's Baby. It's obvious that smiling is difficult for him or showing any kind of joy. He can only fake that muppet smile. Just once, I would like to see a spontaneous smile or hear a spontaneous laugh come out of him.

I don't think Barr and Bannon are physically ugly. Bannon is just unkempt and sloppy. Barr looks like a child who is hiding something shameful.

Trump has this thing he does when relating a story, instead of just describing the interaction, where he adopts a certain voice and quotes the other person. Often, the voice has a sing-song quality to it. Using that other voice, he refers to himself as “Mr. Trump”. It makes him sound like an idiot. This is one of the many things that makes him seem to be a genuinely stupid person, in that he seems to lack the ability to adequately describe something, though is able to recall it. Anyone else notice this?

[quote] I don't think Barr and Bannon are physically ugly.

Barr is hideous and rivals Mnuchin for most hideous member of Trump's entourage.

He is the worst kind of Gemini man.

Another Trump paradox: Deplorables love Trump because he's a man's man, but does a man's man spend 3 hours every morning applying his day-glo tan makeup and doing his coif so it lays just so?

R6 Yes, I've noticed exactly what you describe. We need another thread titled "Trump's Stupidity - is it odd?" just to see if DLers can come up with examples of people with traits similar to Trump's.

The thing about Barr I notice is that he has "pocket-mouth" where he always appears to be making the sort of sad-face mouth that looks like a child's drawing.

Bannon is hideous, IMO. The rotting skin, the bloodshot eyes, the jowls, the flab, the moobs.

R10, not going to lie, it;s kind of hard to come up with anyone that really reminds me of Trump other than his witless kids.

R7 I agree about Mnuchin. What a creepy looking character.

He spends every minute of the day being belligerent and defiant. And every photo captures it.

If he was capable of a range of emotions, we would see them in the photos. But he's not.

He’s the apotheosis of the seven deadly sins.

[quote]...doing his coif so it lays just so.

R9 His hair regimen must be similar to the opening scene in American Hustle where Christian Bale does an elaborate hair preparation/combover before being seen in public. It's hilarious and pitiful at the same time.

[quote]Is there a single picture of this fucker from the last 50 years where he does not look like an absolutely hideous cunt?

Don't say cunt; it wounds.

[quote]Trump's ugliness - is it odd?

Well, on the well respected Trump White House scale of human ugliness, I'd say he's about 1.73 Stephen Millers.

R17 Yes, say 'pussy' instead. It's more acceptable.

Trump has so many idiosyncrasies that I have grown to hate:

When he sits crossed-arms. He looks like a child having a tantrum. And how easy does this make him to read?

The obsequious body language he uses with Putin, with slouched shoulders. He looks like an adolescent boy with the high school coach. How embarrassing.

The photos of the Presidents and First Ladies at George H.W. Bush’s funeral showing him slouched over, in contrast to the others who were sitting up straight. It seems that nobody ever told him to sit up straight.

That childish thing he does with handshakes by clasping too firmly, and yanking the other person off-balance.

He is constantly directing people with hand motions, as if to say, “walk this way”. It’s annoying.

The “thumbs-up“ he uses. The people who usually use this are adolescent boys and race car drivers.

When he walks on a stage, clapping for himself. It’s actually an old Russian practice called “leading the applause”.

He almost never see him laugh, or even smile. He’s a joyless person.

The makeup, and the lifts in his shoes. Such vanity is a real character flaw.

He exemplifies all of the seven deadly sins. That’s quite an accomplishment, since most people excel at only a few, at most.

The only way I would be okay with seeing his vile face would be when it is perched atop a body clad in a prison-orange jumpsuit.

R20 You read my mind. Everything you just said. Thank you.

The real Donald. Judge for yourself, losers.

R20 Great list. You brought back a memory of him at Mr. Bush's funeral, when he walked into the church wearing his overcoat, removed it dramatically before entering the pew and handed it off to some poor 'underling'. That attention grabbing image will be with me forever. Someone remarked he looked like Reginald van Gleason - being an ElderGay, that reference alone made me LOL.

[QUOTE]He almost never see him laugh, or even smile. He’s a joyless person.

I think this is what reveals the most about him.

I think I look great!

his terrible little mouth and the pursed lips, for instance

the best genes!

Don't scare me r28!

If that fucking David didn't have COVID, I'd ask him to hold me.

Trump is hideous!

R28 OMG! I can't unsee that picture. I have to believe that's photoshopped; no two people can be that hideous looking.

Here’s another, when Trump poses with someone else. It’s just the two of them in the shot, and he points to the other person, as if we wouldn’t otherwise notice that other person It’s like those guys who pose with their dick out of their pant’s fly, who point to their dick, as if nobody would otherwise notice.

I think Trump passed as handsome as a young man and as average (maybe slightly above average) in his 30s when he was making the talk show rounds to promote his book. But he hasn't aged well. He has thick skin that sags heavily, and his jaw bone is too small to hold it up. I think his looks took a big downturn--by no coincidence--when he cheated on his wife and dumped her for a younger trophy wife. Also, it seems like he goes out of his way to hold his face in smug positions as some kind of subconscious way to convince people that he's superior to them.

And worst of all, he dismisses women he doesn't consider attractive. He doesn't care about how smart they are, what they achieved...he only cares about whether or not he wants to fuck them, and he rates them numerically based on how much. You'd think he'd be a little more sensitive, considering he's no looker himself.

When he was younger he seemed good looking at first glance but ugly real soon when you actually look at him.

Having an unattractive President is the least of our problems.

President Trump was never a particularly handsome man but his age and his lack of maintenance has really made him even more unattractive. Also his arrogance and his general attitude doesn't help.

The wise old black American woman who helped raise me always said 'hate will make you ugly'. Flora was as usual- correct.

PS- for all of you who missed out on being raised in the deep South in the 60s by a lovely woman of African decent- my condolences. You haven't a clue what you missed. The wisdom, the kindness, the soap operas and the extra cake batter helped make me a better man. Although my wonderful natural parents are now gone, my extra mother soldiers on.

He always got uglier when he opened his mouth to speak.

R32 When he repeats something because he's impressed and acts like he's telling us something: "He's a four star general. Four stars. That's a lot." Or "He went to Harvard. Harvard. Pretty good school." The man is an impressionable imbecile.

Here’s a different thing he does while pointing: In his press conferences, when he calls on reporters by pointing at them, there is just something off about how he does so. It seems condescending, and childish, but I don’t know exactly why it bugs me just yet.

The mouth was always horrible, even when he was younger. And he never seemed to have a normal facial expression even back then.

The constant pointing at people - I don't know what that's supposed to signify. I saw it in person many years ago when I happened to be at an event he was also attending. He was continually pointing across the room at people. It was ugly and off-putting. Not sure if he think's it's endearing, or if its's supposed to make him look commanding?

All of the Trumps look like forceps babies, except that no matter how hard they tried, how deep they probed and how forcefully they grasped and pulled, the forceps didn't work and they had to improvise with claw hammers and pipe wrenches and pliers and a potato fork found in a workshed.

[quote]Go to a state fair anywhere in middle America, OP.

[quote]Trump looks like fucking Maxi Iglesias compared to a good 75% of those deplorables.

I know something of the horrors of those places and, for a normally or even extra ugly man, I would agree, but with Trump his only advantage is an ill-fitting shit suit. He's ugly in a peculiar way, from the gossamer cotton candy hair robbed from an orangutan's ass, to the iodine bronzed flesh with massive pores, to the face that looks like something long dead yet which still spasms when you hook a car battery to it, to the loosey-goosey limbs and physicality.

[quote] In 1988, Trump purchased the unfinished Taj Mahal property from Resorts International for $230 million after negotiations with Merv Griffin in which the two men divided the assets of the failing company.

I recall seeing him with Griffin on a talk show during negotiations. He was full of flattery and had nice things to say about Griffin. Then I saw him after the deal was completed, and he was so unnecessarily condescending of Griffin. He implied that he had really put one over on Griffin, and all I could think of, was how unnecessarily cruel he was being. How there was nothing for him to gain by his derogatory comments at that point.

R40 Marry me!

Yeah, R1, I don't really think the county fair ugly folks are Trump ugly - and I think Trump is uglier. Some hay farmer with no teeth and three fingers from a baling mishap just looks like a beat-up old dude. Trump looks sickening - like touching him would melt you.

Thanks, R43. I thought the R1 comment about 'fair folk' was stupid, cruel and condescending. More of projection on R1's part than a comparison to Trump.

r35

What a lovely memory, thank you for sharing and how lucky are you!

Well said, OP. Many politicians have been remarkably ugly--say, for the oldsters, Sen. Everett Dirksen....Trump isn't ugly, though. He's hideous.

He has always had the pig snout mouth and even in pictures with his parents when he is young or graduating he looks and poses like a major asshole.

....and I can't even imagine how bad he must smell between the spray tan, fast food and his delusions of superiority convincing him he doesn't need breath mints or mouthwash like the common folk.

(R35) Thanks I am indeed fortunate.

One of the few times my real mother spanked me was when I was a little disrespectful to our housekeeper when I was 5. (I asked her to bring me something that I could easily go get for myself.) My mother between swipes with a wooden spoon- said the classic- "She doesn't work for you- she works for me! I have never forgotten that moment of realization.

Ugly? Odd?

OP, have some respect for your president.

Trump got his devastating looks from his parents.

R40, I honestly hope that you write horror. Because, you have skills.

He thinks he looks like James Coburn, when in reality he looks like Charles Coburn.

Well Roy Cohn WAS his mentor, OP.

[quote[...and I can't even imagine how bad he must smell between the spray tan, fast food and his delusions of superiority

R47...and don't forget his shit-loaded Depends.

r54

How could I forget the diapers, it's probably too much work for someone so out of shape and lazy to change them often so the stench must be unbearable.

[quote] I don't think this true of Nixon

that gave me quite the chuckle.

Nixon was unattractive, but not the point where he seemed to be physically rotting. And Reagan was quite elderly and it showed, but he never looked as if a limb was going to drop off in front of you.

Trump was a relatively decent looking guy in 1988 and earlier, even hot when he was in military school, but he sure looks like hell now. The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if the Russians had him replaced with someone else, but who could have known he would ever be elected President. I don't think they even look like the same person.

OP, just to be clear: Are you asking about only physical ugliness or are you including ugliness of the soul and mind? I think the latter two contribute greatly to Trump's physical ugliness.

R58 He still has his beady eyes and his pussy lips. Oh, and the same hairstyle, just not the same hair. That's it. Everything else is gone.

The eyebrows. He lets them grow wild, just as his father did. It's a trait common to narcissists. Even the eyebrows must be grandiose.

Spy Magazine made him the most unattractive person to me in the 80s. You only had to hear him speak to know he was disgusting.

Eyebrows!

In that picture at r23, he looks more like Bea Arthur than Rocky.

He has terrible skin—saggy, pitted, and rough looking. The orange spray tan makes it look even worse; inhuman almost.

R39 Regarding his 'pointless' pointing at people across a crowded room. People onstage do this a lot - just point randomly as if they are actually acknowledging specific people in the crowd. This is usually accompanied by Trump applauding for himself. He loves applauding and pointing.

the wise, strong black woman trope at R35. They don’t like that, you know. It’s like the wise, magical old black man trope.

"They," R67? They?

All of them? No exceptions? Absolute conformity, eh?

And you speak for "they" by what authority?

R42: Marry me? Thanks, but we haven't even fucked, have we? And you're late, strangely enough I've been had by another.

R51: Thanks, but I write about something more horrifying than Horror: History.

R69, do you DO write horror.

*So you DO.

You have to remember that you are also seeing his soul which shows on the outside. One time a priest said to me that he thought mother Theresa was the homeliest person he had ever seen until he met her. After he talked with her he said she was the most beautiful person he had ever seen.

R72, I guess he did not have a good sense of character.

She was an asshole.

R32 this one cracked me up. I can’t

Trump's personality is what makes him ugly--the bullying, anger and nastiness are front and center.

R35 an utterly odd story to wedge in there. Thanks for the musings, which papers run your column?

"Muppet smile" is the perfect description.

R6 the way he talks is actually part of his modus operandi. He never just says “here’s what I think” — he fabricates a third party or group that has previously confirmed whatever he wants to say. “People are telling me” ... “all these doctors are saying”...

[quote]"Muppet smile" is the perfect description.

I can think of better.

Intresting pic

I remember that Spy magazine used to do a monthly rundown on Liz Smith's obsequious multiple references to Trump in her social column. She would refer to him, coyly, as "the handsome mogul" and quote whatever BS he had told her at some party.

People say Barron is surprisingly not hideous for a Trump. He looks a lot like his father when DJT was young.

Trump is grotesque now because he lives in a world od denial. He is elderly and morbidly obese, he tans and paints himself, his hair is 20 strands and a lot of carefully piled piss-colored denial, and he has freakish fake white chompers. He has made himself into a monster.

His children range from genuinely homely and weird looking to looking like actual monsters. And Ivanka has aged into a human troll that no amount of surgery has been able to improve upon.

And here’s something that reveals a lot about him. As a supposed billionaire, he certainly could be styled differently and frankly could look like a normal older man.

He actively chooses to look like a freak from the Island of Misfit Toys. He is desperate for attention and looking disgusting makes sure that people look at him.

[quote] R20: That childish thing he does with handshakes by clasping too firmly, and yanking the other person off-balance. He is constantly directing people with hand motions, as if to say, “walk this way”. .

Oh, that other thing he does when shaking hands, where he puts his free hand on either the elbow or shoulder of the other person. So patronizing. Sometimes combined with the head-cock, as if to say, “I am fascinated by you”.

I do understand why he does many of these things, but it’s still annoying. Maybe because it’s him, hard to tell.

At the link, we have the free-hand on the shoulder.

R83, while married to Ivana, he had scalp reduction surgery to get rid of a growing bald spot. It is said that it did not heal well and he has scars all over the top of his head. The current comb over is needed to hide those scars.

R83 when I first saw that photo of Trump bald with a beard I thought it was Steve Schmidt

Handshake compilation. I didn’t realize he was still doing this.

I’ve already decided what to do with that handshake-yank: I’d set my shoulder and use it to slam into him, completely “accidentally”, of course.

[quote]I've been had by another.

R40 Only one? Then there's still hope for me!

Almost any non-disfigured face can take on appearances of attractiveness or appeal IF it is inhabited by either a human personality of ethical and easy bearing or with sensitivity to the eyes of other. A clever sociopath can fake it, in other words. We've all seen it done.

But Trump is not a clever sociopath. He is an infantilized narcissist. His expressions tell the truth, always. Because his are the only eyes that matter and he does not care what others see, because he expects them to see what he sees in his mind's eye. No other humans enter into the equation of ME = EVERYTHING.

The obesity, aging and drug use add to the effect, but more than anything that face shows a kind of evil - the absolute selfishness of a bottomless maw.

And this country managed to elect him through an abominable nod to small states controlling electoral results.

Item 1 if Democrats ever claim the Federal Government and enough state houses: A constitutional amendment to abolish the electoral college. Or, short of that, a decision state by state to allot electoral votes in proportion to the actual vote.

R85 is right. You can see the limits of the surgical attempt in the weird patterning of his hair growth. And this surgery was when he was so angry about the pain it caused, after Ivana promised him it would be relatively painless and quick to heal that he punched her in the face. Something she has denied telling people for years, because she wants those checks to keep coming.

R72 meet R5. Yes, Trump's soul manifests itself in his face.

[QUOTE] And you speak for "they" by what authority?

By The Power of Grayskull!!!!

R85, wasn't the botched scalp surgery aftermath the occasion when he beat Ivana?

R85 That actually makes sense. I know the anecdote well (sans the scarring part) because that’s the event that Ivana Trump testified Donald to attack her and rape her. She said she recommended a doctor for hair restoration and the surgery failed, and in a rage, he attacked her, tore her hair out in clumps that left bloody patches, and then raped her.

She has retracted the allegation, but I don’t buy someone casually retracting a rape allegation first of all, and secondly the story is just too specific and strange not to be true.

R83 OMG he looks like Steve Schmidt - McCain's advisor (who is now a democrat). Steve is a good looking guy; that picture is fucking scary.

Sorry R86, you posted before me!

I have long wondered if the excessive tanning is to disguise the jaundice that would otherwise be apparent?

Part of the hair rationale may also be a Psycho-type ode to his dear Mother.

He really looks like his mother might have just taken over his body.

He looks like something from an H.P. Lovecraft story, an Elder Horror or a rotting ghoul that has crawled from the mephitic depths of a ruined tomb.

His family gets richer with every generation, and also picks up extra chromosomes.

Yes, it is odd.

Actually not sure they are fully human.

Trump often asks various people in the audience to stand to be recognized. It’s a good policy, to recognize people for their contributions, and it is unexpected given his narcissism, but the way he does it reminds me of a high school pep rally. I recall early on when of of his cabinet was having none of it, and refused to be ordered about like a trained seal.

[quote}And this surgery was when he was so angry about the pain it caused, after Ivana promised him it would be relatively painless and quick to heal that he punched her in the face.

R89 And you know this, how? Very strong accusation with no proof.

“I give pleasure you give jewels let’s go.”

Where’s my African American? Where is he? There he is. Stand up, African American!

Eric Trump looks like he was born with a cleft palate, but the corrective surgery was somehow bungled.

R104 Ivana testified under oath that he did that, and the testimony was published in a book.

Does it seem out of character to you?

I believe Ivanka is a sentry from hell, but she does have possibly the most successful plastic surgery I’ve ever seen.

r100, r101 and r102

Throw me up against the wall and fuck me David, I'm scared.

R103 I remember when he had all his early cabinet around the table for a news op and each one flattered him but when he got to the Secty of Defense, Mattis turned it into kind words for the DOD and you could see how pissed Trump was for not being recognized. That probably was the beginning of Mattis' downfall in Trump's eyes.

Most of the junior Trump pics in this thread have been photoshopped. Features swapped, faces cut in half and mirrored. I think that one of Eric has the mouth inverted?

No need to photoshop what is already a grotesque picture

R78, well, you know it, I know it, everybody knows it.

One can be ugly, but when everything you do only accentuates the ugly - then yes.

R108 It seems perfectly in character. It's just that the original poster wrote

[quote] Something she has denied telling people for years, because she wants those checks to keep coming.

which made me ask for proof. So thank you!

The Uday/Qusay photo was heavily altered.

They look awful, but not that awful.

I do think Eric has had a lot of facial surgery. If not, he grew into that ugly mug remarkably well. It could be. Weight loss and maturity can change a face.

Ugly? No way!

R115 She ‘officially retracted’ the allegation before Trump declared his candidacy. And so when the stories of sexual assault allegations kept coming out during his run for president, stories mentioned Ivana’s allegation and noted that ‘she later retracted the allegation.’ So contextually, it set Trump up to look as if he had been falsely accused by his own wife, and so why wouldn’t others falsely accuse him?

IMO, journalists should have pursued Ivana doggedly and asked why she said it if it was not true, why she was retracting it now, what it means to accuse someone of felonious rape and then admit it was just a lie (for what reason?) etc. I suspect she would have to have a lawyer present and give all sorts of qualifications, ultimately admitting that he did assault her and he did force sex, but that she no longer considers it technically to have been rape. Because if she were to say, oh, I testified under oath that he raped me because I wanted more money, she’d be liable for countersuits. And she’d be partially lying since it’s really safe to assume he did rape her.

It's interesting that someone mentioned he never laughs. It's true. He never appears joyous, unless he's scheming to fuck people over.

Barr has "anus mouth."

Barr has "anus mouth."

The sons are ugly as fuck. And like their father, their styling only emphasizes their worst features (all of them).

NEVER laughs. Good luck finding a photo of Pee Brain laughing. Grinning, yes. Those are everywhere. But laughing? Nope.

Also... No eyeglasses. He's 74, fer chrissakes.

There was a period during the pandemic when he was giving press conferences with less orange paint and gray hair. That alone made him look a lot more normal. He must use some kind of temporary yellow hair wash or something because it was gone within weeks. Or probably whore piss imported from Russia.

I tried to attach photos of his white hair but they were all from Vogue and DL refused to accept the post.

Why has he never tried to do something about his terrible skin? He has enough money to get laser resurfacing— or at least microdermabrasion.

The MAGAts are not bothered by his looks

I suspect they think he looks the way they think an aging "billionaire" should look? Like when their get rich quick scheme hatches, they too will have fake orange tans and a massive combover?

This picture was taken yesterday (7/9) during the meeting with Hispanic business leaders by freelance photojournalist Samuel Corum.

Can you imagine how nasty and stained his MyPillow is from all that paint on his face. I doubt he has any kind of a night time skin care routine, probably falls asleep with that paint on surrounded by junk food wrappers and the tv(s) blaring.

How does he get the orange crud off his face?

Do you suppose he's a Noxzema Girl?

I don't imagine he does, R129. More likely a big, ugly asswipe-smear with a never again white towel ("Egyptian cotton, very high thread count, VERY high, the highest, the most luxurious, I'm talking Trump quality."), The next layer of face paint is then piled atop whatever greasy layers remain, repeated "each day, every day, for many, many years, my friends."

As the accretions of human activity have placed modern Rome at 17 meters or 55 feet above the Rome of 2000 years ago, so it is on some just slightly smaller scale on the face of our fearless leader.

It's these built up layers that give him that wholesome glow of vitality.

And just as the Matrons of Rome used lead paint and diamond dust as lethal cosmetics, so too does Trump smear the glistening contents of every purloined McDonald's mustard packet across the pores of his cratered puss.

Please tell me THIS is NOT how I will look like later on in life.

Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase!!!

:-(

[quote]He's ugly in a peculiar way

I think that most would agree. It's more like he's freakish than outright ugly, like a fictional character, something drawn in an old "Bloom County" cartoon.

People got so used to him being a caricature that they stopped noticing the freakish nature of his appearance a long time ago. Kind of like Charro or Joan Rivers or George Hamilton, all of whom stopped looking normal decades ago, but who were characters and therefore the uncanny valley effect of their faces and bodies wasn't as pronounced.

The thing with Trump is that those of us who see how bizarre he looks see it every day, and it starts to become overwhelming. Why isn't everyone noticing this? Why doesn't the media do more than chuckle for 25 minutes on Twitter when he wears that orange mask of makeup, or say something about his clown shoes, or his inability to speak, or his odd gait?

I knew Trump’s mother looked like Trump with makeup on but his father’s jaw looks like it was totally deformed. What the FUCK.

I think they are actual monsters.

Yeah, one side of Fred's head was a little deformed. They all have ears too far back on their heads, but his right side also had that indent. I can't find any photos of him when young where you can see that side of his head, I think he must have hidden it in photos, for good reason.

If he expects us to humor him and not mention his toner/make-up, then he should put forth the effort to apply it evenly and stop leaving those white circles around his eyes.

I would imagine he does it by himself so no one else will know for sure that he wears make-up.

He had a fucking tanning bed sneaked into the White House installed when he moved in. Unless he has psoriasis and the UV is therapeutic for his skin, he is an old man who puts his fat insane old self at risk of melanoma so that he can look as tan as possible, which the whole world agrees makes him look completely insane. He’s equally vain and psychotic.

He spends all that time darkening his corpsey gray skin yet hates brown people.

Extras from the movie "Freaks" was my first thought, r134.

There's something surreal about his ugliness.

Saying something like this might be too close to eugenics for comfort, yet I swear when I look at the Trump family (knowing who they are), I feel like it’s practically undeniable that their faces plus their inhuman qualities strongly suggest that they are genetic mutants. Like, anyone’s natural reaction to a glance at them might be to scurry in the other direction for good evolutionary reason.

Trump starts with a regrettable assemblage of physical attributes. Then he gives life to it all with his dark heart, narcissistic personality, limited intelligence and damaged soul. If there was a different person inside that body... it would look better.

I suspect if the person that is Donald Trump were transplanted to Henry Cavill's body, within six months he would look awful, all over again.

R141 Yes, just like in The Scarlet Letter. I remember learning about the theory of physiognomy from that book in high school. Arthur Dimmesdale carries a secret that corrupts him so much from within that it ruins his physical appearance over the course of the book. And then of course there’s the Picture of Dorian Gray.

There really might be something to it.

I think he's father had ear cancer. His mother looks insanely weird.

Trump reminds me of a nightmare I had once where I ‘woke up’ and couldn’t see anything but could hear gasps and muffled screams all around - I put my hands to my face and realised it had turned into an arse.

I thought that Trump's mother looked actually somewhat attractive when she was a young woman? I can't seem to find the photo, but it was taken just after the marriage.

Fred Jr. looked like his dad but carried it a whole lot better.

R145 This is her photo on Wikipedia. She looks fine...

...but then in the 1980s I think Ivana Trump was regarded as a generally attractive woman and now she looks like Grendel’s mother. And this “after” photo of Ivana is VERY flattering compared with how she usually looks.

Sometimes an unattractive person becomes beautiful in our eyes because we love and respect them so much. Trump is truly ugly inside, his outside isn't even tolerable.

In Ivana's case, it seems to be bad plastic surgery plus an inability to evolve her look. What was fine when she was young is less so now. I do think she had a somewhat iconic presence. I've also heard she had a sense of humor, something the Trumps lack across the board. In any case, she doesn't revolt me the way her ex-husband does.

R149 She revolts me like her husband does. I think she is likewise grotesque inside and out.

She charged her husband with rape and violent assault, pulling her hair out in bleeding clumps from her scalp. Then decades later she said it never happened so he could deny it when he ran for president.

She gave an interview a couple of years ago and was really creepy and strange and embittered and seemed to be jealous, saying she is “the real First Lady, the first Mrs. Trump.”

She’s no better than he is. She’s a money-seeking opportunist who appears to have no real sense of decency or morality. She’ll say whatever it takes to get access and even assist her rapist ex-husband in getting what he wants as long as it gives her access and a feeling of elite status. Grotesque.

In case you don’t watch the video above at R150, in it Ivana says that she decided to name Don Jr. Donald Trump, Jr. and Donald Trump said, “No, no, you can’t call him Donald. What if he’s a loser?”

Yes, R149. A great sense of humor.

Back in 2000, I attended a performance on Broadway of Charles Busch's play, "The Tale of the Allergist's Wife" starring Linda Lavin, Tony Roberts and Michele Lee. When the curtain went up, there were 8 empty seats in about the 10th row of the center orchestra. About 20 minutes into the play, the missing ticket holders arrived. It was Ivana Trump and her posse. They must have had a lot of wine with dinner. They were not quiet on their late arrival, nor were they quiet as them made their way down the aisle and to their seats where they were not quiet getting seated. Nor were they quite while the play unfolded, talking and giggle amongst themselves in a way that would be expected from unchaperoned 7th graders.

After about 20 minutes, while the first act was still underway, they discussed leaving because they didn't like the play. Then they did get up, not quietly, and walked up the aisle of the Ethel Barrymore theater and made their very welcome exit.

Yes, that ivana is a barrel of laughs. Oh, did I mention that in person she looks like an aging madam? Because with the sequins and the bleach and more make-up than even her ex-husband wears, she looks like an aging madam.

Barr has something else in common with Trump -- he's. been an abusive bully since childhood. They both look like men whose faces have never shown arranged themselves to show kindness. Think about, say, Biden. His expressions convey genuine empathy. Trump and Barr couldn't muster a generous smile if you paid them.

From the Washington Post: [quote]Back in 1991, during Barr’s confirmation to be George H.W. Bush’s attorney general, lawyer Jimmy Lohman, who overlapped with Barr at New York’s Horace Mann School and later Columbia University, wrote a piece for the little-known Florida Flambeau newspaper about Barr being “my very own high-school tormentor” — a “classic bully” and “power abuser” in the 1960s who “put the crunch on me every chance [he] got.”

[quote]The 1991 description of 1963 Barr’s harassment sounds eerily like the 2020 Barr. He “lived to make me miserable,” with a “vicious fixation on my little Jewish ‘commie’ ass,” Lohman alleged, because he wore peace and racial-equality pins. He said the four Barr brothers picketed the school’s “Junior Carnival” because proceeds went to the NAACP, and he alleged that Billy Barr, the “most fanatic rightist” of the four, later “teamed with the New York City riot police to attack anti-war protesters and ‘long hairs.’ ”

Vanity Fair confirms separately that in high school Barr and his brothers were nicknamed "the bully Barrs"

"Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone." – Dorothy Parker

[quote]In case you don’t watch the video above at [R150], in it Ivana says that she decided to name Don Jr. Donald Trump, Jr. and Donald Trump said, “No, no, you can’t call him Donald. What if he’s a loser?”

R151, That's even more pointed in light of Mary Trump's revelation that her father, Fred Jr, was the family black sheep and was ostracized by Donald.

R155 Yep. But Fred is gone now and with Donald’s abusive fatherhood went any sympathy for the Donald. He may have been a victim as a child but he has become a worse version of the monster now.

Oh, I wasn't being sympathetic to Trump, R156. Lots of people are abused and don't grow up to be monsters. Seems young Donald scoped things out and embraced his dad's top dog role. But I bet he heard his father say he hated that loser Fred Jr bore his name. Trump really was scared Don Jr would be a loser and it would reflect badly on him. Of course he is and it does, but Trump can't see it. Yet.

Mary Trump was said to be a cunt with a strange fixation on the coin operated laundries in their buildings. Even after she was a rich woman she still took it upon herself to supervise the coin collection and would terrorize the attendants of the laundries if she felt something was wrong. They said she wound shake the coin can like a common peddler.

R158 What a tiny-minded, cheap cunt she must have been. She had all the money she could want and yet she was afraid someone was cheating her. Sounds like Mary's genes are responsible for Donald's paranoia.

She reinforced that Scottish stereotype.

R152, I didn't say she had a great sense of humor - just remarked that it was said by some that she had one at all. There was talk at the time of the divorce that Trump was furious with her for a few self-deprecating remarks she had made about her appearance and rumors of plastic surgery. He was unable to see her admitting that she had had it and joking about it as anything but a sign that there was something "wrong" with his trophy.

And I have never seen any of his kids laugh either., save to cover up something he let rip in their presence, like Ivanka's laughing when he said on a TV show with her that what they had in common was "sex".

Like this, R161?

Exactly like that, R162.

It's not laughter. It's insertlaughhere.

The fake picture (left) is only slightly more grotesque than the original.

Barron does laugh and even looks happy and relaxed sometimes.

When his father is not around, that is.

The mask (with it's own Presidential seal to make it unique) that he wore to Walter Reed covered up some of the ugly. He should wear it more often--all the time, in fact.

R165 Pictures, please. I've never seen one.

Compilation of all the things that nobody knew of.

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I’ve noticed lately that Trump is getting that befuddled, distant look that really old people get when they are losing their faculties. I don’t mean this as a pejorative. I just observe it, and it wasn’t something I had noticed even a couple years ago.

He's starting to look bored which makes his face look even flabbier. He's not getting the attention he craves.

R170/R171, I think normal people may underestimate how essential crowd adulation is to his core identity and ability to function. Whatever his actual psychopathy, it's something atypical and involves a paper thin ego (clinical ego, not egotism). I think he has a vampiric need for the life-blood of rallies -- it's why he's held these campaign style events in MAGA country since he took office. In the beginning news outlets pointed out how bizarre they were during non-election years, but as with so much of his aberrant behavior, we all acclimated. He gets some of the mirroring he craves through twitter and Fox News, but it must be like methadone vs a heroin rush. Expect more erratic behavior ahead. Withdrawal ain't pretty.

R172 Yes, how will withdrawal manifest itself? I can't imagine the depth of his outrage, the evil that will spew from his mouth. I don't doubt that he will grow horns and a tail when he is finally removed from office, kicking and screaming.

Trump looks like the human embodiment of an Ivan Albright painting.

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