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“Foolish” by Ashanti is seriously such a good, forgotten song

It just came up on a playlist and I forgot how much I used to love this song! Ashanti had such a massive debut album and her second album did well, and then she sort of faded. I wonder why?

Is it because Beyoncé happened? You know Hollywood feels they can’t have more than one or two huge black female mainstream artists.

The song is so relatable and I love her gentle, thin but pretty vocals.

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by Anonymousreply 4007/07/2020

Are you Miles Heizer?

by Anonymousreply 107/06/2020

R1 no but he has great taste. This is a great song. Ashanti deserved better than being J Lo’s ghost vocalist

by Anonymousreply 207/06/2020

Ashanti had a better run than most.

by Anonymousreply 307/06/2020

To be fair, Cassie couldn’t sing at all. She was a Diddy creation who spoke her lyrics to the beat (although she did that well).

Me & U is an eternal bop though. It’s a great song. And she’s a beautiful woman. She is half black, half Asian?

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by Anonymousreply 407/06/2020

Neither can J.Lo.

by Anonymousreply 507/06/2020

But J Lo has never not been huge ever since Selena

by Anonymousreply 607/06/2020

That's not exactly true. Most of J.Lo's musical output has not been very successful. But she's truly a multimedia star so she maintains a high profile and gets to do odd thing like a Musical Tribute to Motown (Jennifer Fucking Lopez sings Motown?!)

by Anonymousreply 707/06/2020

J Lo’s first 3 albums were hits. After that she produced a few single hits and that’s it.

by Anonymousreply 807/06/2020

J.Lo's movie career has been more miss than hit, as well.

by Anonymousreply 907/06/2020

Another race bait thread. Sorry but in music there has NEVER been a time when Black Americans are underrepresented. I did a paper in college on this. The closest to being not represented was 1972 when black charting records for the year matched exactly the number in proportion to their population.

However in 2004 blacks had every number one song for the year. This of course goes unlooked.

Nice try racist but go play with kids and come back when you can troll with the big boys

by Anonymousreply 1007/06/2020

R10 ummmm so only Black people are supposed to listen to black artists?

by Anonymousreply 1107/06/2020

Op Edwina was in high school back then so her fat ass is just reminiscing to this crappy song from that period.

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by Anonymousreply 1207/06/2020

I love Ashanti. Great voice, and because unlike most of her cohort ( looking at you, "Queen" Bey) she's an actual songwriter, when she sings she puts across a lyric very nicely.

But she'll never go hungry because she will get royalties from her catalog forever.

by Anonymousreply 1307/06/2020

The thin voice kills it. She needs tons of back up singing.

by Anonymousreply 1407/06/2020

Foolish was #1 for 10 weeks on the Billboard 100.

by Anonymousreply 1507/06/2020

On her debut album she had Foolish as the first song then Unfoolish as the last I believe (or later in the album). Unfoolish was basically a remix to foolish, where she now got the courage to leave the Shit man.

It’s a much better song.

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by Anonymousreply 1607/06/2020

She’s very very pretty in person. And overall was nice.

by Anonymousreply 1707/06/2020

[Quote] But she'll never go hungry because she will get royalties from her catalog forever.

How Sway?! Streaming income is pennies.

by Anonymousreply 1807/06/2020

R18 I believe Spotify and Apple Music pays artists 10 cents each time their song is streamed. Idk about other platforms.

by Anonymousreply 1907/06/2020

I read an article about Ashanti ages ago and IRRC her career stalled because of issues with her record label. She was signed to Murder Inc. and Irv Gotti was arrested for money laundering for a drug lord or something.

I also think Ciara stole her "place" more than Beyonce.

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by Anonymousreply 2007/06/2020

Yes, reading some stuff online and many say Irv Gotti is why her career stalled then never recovered.

by Anonymousreply 2107/06/2020

Shanti and Irv were fucking as well, so...

by Anonymousreply 2207/06/2020

What about Mya?

by Anonymousreply 2307/06/2020

Mya falls in line with Christina etc. she was never an R&B princess like Ashanti, Aaliyah or Ciara. She was mainstream pop music from day 1.

by Anonymousreply 2407/06/2020

Nah, Mya was on that song from the Halle Berry - Warren Beatty movie nobody saw. It had a rapper.

by Anonymousreply 2507/06/2020

Mya became a household name from a song off Rugrats the movie

by Anonymousreply 2607/06/2020

Whispercoo

by Anonymousreply 2707/06/2020

Janet also was mainstream Top 100 pop music mostly.

Idk how anyone can listen to a song like Escapade and call that R&B

by Anonymousreply 2807/06/2020

R27 Plus the bitch could not even move on stage like JJ. Ashanti rightfully is a has been.

by Anonymousreply 2907/06/2020

I remember “All For You” being labeled as “R&B” and that was the day I realized it was simply because she is black. That is THE MOST bubblegum pop song ever. Nothing “R&B” about it.

Being black doesn’t mean you’re automatically R&B.

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by Anonymousreply 3007/06/2020

Cue "Ashanti scooting her ass along the stage" gif

by Anonymousreply 3107/06/2020

R28 and R30 Here we go, the trolls bringing up Janet.

by Anonymousreply 3207/06/2020

Remember the controversy about Ashanti getting the Lady of Soul award Years ago?

The year before, Aretha Franklin was awarded it.

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by Anonymousreply 3307/06/2020

Her debut album was a massive success, and I remember she was nominated for many Grammys and won 1. She then was nominated for 3 for her second album and then never nominated again.

by Anonymousreply 3407/06/2020

Justice For Amerie!

by Anonymousreply 3507/06/2020

R23 there's rumours about her being one of JayZs mistresses.

R35 I was just listening to her. I really liked 4am Mullholland.

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by Anonymousreply 3607/06/2020

How much money can she make off her catalogue? Don’t a lot of her songs have multiple songwriter credits because of sampling? “Foolish” has six songwriters on it from it being part of a debarge and a notorious b.i.g. song.

by Anonymousreply 3707/06/2020

Ashanti's performance below killed whatever was left of her small career.

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by Anonymousreply 3807/06/2020

I saw her perform with Ja Rule (I got tickets for free) a few years ago and she was terrible. Poorly lip-synching in a small venue with no production to make up for it. She does have a number of good songs, but I would bet her inability to perform live well impacted her career, especially as other younger fresher acts came up behind her.

by Anonymousreply 3907/06/2020

She can’t sing live. Shortly after she exploded that was the talk about her, how terrible her live singing is.

Ultimately people stopped caring.

by Anonymousreply 4007/07/2020
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