Have you ever tried a foot peel

I tried one called Baby Feet and it did work. I try not to think about the harsh chemicals it must use to get your skin to slough off like that.

Yes, it does work. I've used Tony Moly's.

And they aren't harsh chemicals; they're some mild acids (lactic, glycolic, salicylic) that separate dead skin from live skin.

Is it for feet only? Or if you have caveman skin like I do, can it be used on legs and arms too?

Yes, they work. I made the mistake the first time to do it in summer not thinking about how nasty that would look once peeling and wearing sandals. This year I did it before the warm weather started.

r4 How long does it take to go from applying the peel to post peel "presentability"?

Is the process at all painful?

I use it all the time. R5, it takes about a week. Budget yourself that much time just to on the safe side. It's been great through all this while the pedicure place has been closed.

Can't you use a scraper? How do your feet get so hard and crusty? I understand women's heels with high heels, but men?

You can put it over your head too, r3. Don’t forget the rubber band to keep it on!

R8 The older you get...many unhappy things lie in wait for you, that you'd never have imagined.

I had a female friend who used it. She said for days nothing happened .. thr all of a sudden persian rugs of skin began falling off her feet. She was fortunate to have been wearing socks that day.

She said it was utterly repulsive and completely fascinating.

I've thought about trying this, are your feet tender afterward?

The one thing you’re not supposed to do is help it. Just let the skin flake off when it’s ready to.

Youtube is ur friend

Since covid, I’ve been barefoot at home 90% of the yo e so my feet are dry snd callused

Yes, they are fabulous. It takes longer than you'd think, though, so plan accordingly. My feet were still peeling almost two weeks later. It was glorious, though.

R6 not painful in the least

R12 not at all

I used the Dr. Pedicure from amazon - works great. It takes a few days before your feet even begin to peel. Once they do, lots of peeling for at least a week, maybe two.

Is this healthy? Any podiatrists on here?

I don’t trust podiatrists. I’d like to hear from a doctor, preferably a dermatologist.

Do you "help it along" ? Or are you supposed to let it alone while it sloughs off? I am a "picker" by nature, so it would be impossible for me not to rip at the peels. I don't want my cave feet to get infected though. Mary! I know, but this seems too good to be true, and the last place I want to end up for any reason right now is urgent care, especially for going too far in a peeling frenzy.

R20 your feet will not become infected if you don't mess with it. It's just basically the same OTC stuff like Salicylic acid in Dr. Scholl's products - but it's a nice gel pack in which your feet soak. Do not pick at the resulting skin flakes. Do not help it along, MARY. Your post made me laugh, but keep your filthy hands off of your cave feet while this peeling is happening.

You can clip off dead skin that is no longer attached to your body. But you must not try pulling it off. There will come a point where the dead skin is connected to skin that is not dead. Living skin. Obviously, you do not want to pull living skin of your body.

I just do a vinegar soak once or twice a year. It pulls all the crap off the toenails as well. It works better when I can get to the beach more. Nothing seems to do my feet more good than a couple of days in the salt and sand.

I'm going to try it , mostly to observe the process, less for its purpose.

Must be pandemic ennui

The new fresh skin that comes to the fore feels great, R24. There is a remarkable difference between the 'before' and the 'after.'

I would do it more often, but for the lengthy peeling process. It is off-putting. If you have a regular partner for sex who knows about the foot peel, that will help. But Baby Feet and Grindr are not a good match.

Yes, I have a regular partner, he'll have to do it too, and he needs it more than I do.

What does a vinegar soak do? What kind of vinegar, r23?

Yes, they work!

I do them on my face and feet. I buy the face peel as a marketed facial peel, but it’s the same stuff that I use on my feet.

Here’s the facial peel: 👇🏽

Just 30 minutes with my feet in diluted plain vinegar. R27 (50/50) I learned it when I was working construction from one of the other guys. It is immediate, though. I time it around the time I am throwing away one of those scrub things from the shower so I can work off the dead skin and then dispose.

R9 Bootsy-Gumdrop, I am your biggest !

[quote]How do your feet get so hard and crusty?

Some of us just have caveman feet, I guess its genetics. My feet have been hard since I was a barely a teenager and Ive never run around barefoot. I use a pedicure tool and skin peels off like cheese being sliced😆 I may try this method. I use Aveeno therapy on my heels everyday to keep them somewhat decent

R9 R30 Forgot the word FAN!!

Jesus r28, be careful with that stuff on your face. It's very easy to screw up with TCA.

R33, I’ve been doing this for over 20 years, and haven’t screwed up yet.

Thank you, though. 😘

Do you tink it work on cloven hooves? Asking for friend.

Does it work on Bone Spurs?

how often do you have to use it before it works? I have a corn remover that I basically shave the entire bottom of my feet off with every few weeks and a microplane I use otherwise

I use this every 2 weeks.

I think it gives me more control than some strange chemical.

Everyone needs to do this! Just last night, we were visited by a generou$ “gentleman” who shoved his foot up our no-no and prevented us from delivering the most scrumptious brown liquor! We had to wait until he left to go potty in our bedchamber and devour every last tasty, nutty morsel!

R29 how "diluted"? Does it make your feet stink like vinegar afterward, and if so, for how long?

They said a 50/50 ratio R40.

I fill try foot thing. Gay enemy try to make me have horrible fish eat me. Is horrible .

I just ordered the foot, and a glycolic peel, I've never done either, thanks gurlz. I'll let you know how it goes. The TCA sounds BRUTAL r28. What is it like for you?

I'm a lady, so I like to do lady things when I am home.

Save the skin for soup!

R43, it at all brutal. It barely stings, actually.

Here’s how I prep for it:

1) I use Arnica gel on my face before bedtime, for 2 weeks prior to the peel. Arnica reduces redness and bruising. Use it as an eye gel every night, and it will rid you of dark circles under your eyes, FYI.

2) Sometimes, not always, I put lidocaine on my face an hour before the mask/peel.

3) I crush 2 aspirin in a glass, and add water, in order to brush it on my face if I don’t have the arnica.

4) I do the peel, by brushing it onto my face. I wait 5 minutes, then I rinse it off thoroughly yet gently. Never, ever, put it on your mouth or under your eyes, btw.

5) Once completed, I again, slather on the arnica gel or crushed aspirin, and I use it for a couple of days afterwards. Then the peeling starts to kick in.

6) The peeling lasts for about a week. It’s not as hideous as it could be, because of the arnica.

This is the same thing that many dermatologists do, except way less expensive and just as effective.

I do it once every 3 months. Highly recommend!

Correction:

It’s not at all brutal.

I tried it. I think the results speak for themselves.

Amazing, R47!

Now try it on your face, and you will “glow” from head to toe!

Do NOT put it on your dick head thinking you will enhance your sensitivity!

Can I use it on my nether regions? They’re a bit dry from overuse!!!

Dr Oz seems to approve

r50 gurl your dick is going to dry up and fall off

I just did it last sat and it’s already beginning to peel.

Annoyingly, it seems to peel bit by bit

I made the mistake of helping it along. It is tempting to grab an end of the dead skin and pull on it. I've heard it works best if you leave it alone and let it do its thing.

Soaking your feet in the days following the peel helped the shedding.

[quote] I'm going to try it , mostly to observe the process, less for its purpose.

I think this is the reason people buy fleshlights.

It works so well, I don’t know why you bitches didn’t tell me about it years ago.

This link has info about vinegar soaks for feet

I just used a peel. It’s weird that the skin is sloughing off in pieces. I’m leaving old skin all over my house

R59 🤢🤮

This one is a lot cheaper than Baby Foot and works.

Just make sure you don't have any cuts or other dings on your feet before you do it, it'll sting.

Yes it works, it’s not chemical, it’s natural acids.

The longer you soak, every day, the faster the process starts, but still takes a good week to ten days till your feet are free of peeling skin.

I usually do one, maybe two, a year, and took advantage of quarantine to do one.

[quote] I just used a peel. It’s weird that the skin is sloughing off in pieces. I’m leaving old skin all over my house

R59, it's best to wear socks as much as possible during the peeling/sloughing stage. It'll keep your house cleaner, obviously. Turn them inside-out and shake before laundering. Wearing socks also helps you avoid peeling the skin manually.

My favorite is Baby Foot. It's more expensive than some of the other peels, but it works well, the plastic boots are durable and fit a man's feet, and they come with tape to close up the boots. Also, the treatment is a gel that gets onto your feet nicely.

The last one I used - a month ago - called Dream Feet Exfoliating Foot Mask worked okay, but I'd rather use Baby Foot. The Dream Feet treatment was a liquid and it didn't seem to cover my feet thoroughly. The booties were way too small and they ripped down the middle of the top when I tried to get my feet in. My feet are only size 10, so not huge. There apparently are made for small lady feet. They also don't come with tape, which is helpful.

For scale, the foot and ankle in this picture must belong to a woman who has the body of a 10 year old.

Is it toxic?

yes, everyone who has used them and has answered on this thread is now dead.

But their feet look wonderful.

sitting in them now, (re) watching Velvet Goldmine

[quote]Obviously, you do not want to pull living skin of your body.

Speak for yourself.

Please can someone post links to good, affordable ones? I'd love to try!

Baby Foot has a men's size. They're the only ones I've been able to stuff my feet into without splitting the seam.

My feet are 9.5 Extra Wide (U.S.), and the regular Baby Foot fit okay (I suppose this is the women's version, but it doesn't say so). If your feet are larger than 10, go for the men's version in R70. Probably the same formulation, just in larger booties and more gel for the increased surface area.

[quote] Please can someone post links to good, affordable ones? I'd love to try!

R69, try the Dream Feet Exfoliating Foot Mask that I mentioned above. It works well as long as your feet aren't too big for the plastic booties. I do prefer Baby Foot however for ease of use. Neither is terribly expensive. The difference in the Before and After is very noticeable. It's worth trying at least once, especially in summer. Your dates will love you for it.

After your feet are finished peeling and are smooth, how long does it take before they start getting crusty again?

I did it once about 45 years ago. Back then you got a pill you put into a pail of water that turned the water deep purple. You soaked your feet in the water for a while and then dried them off. In a few days the skin on your feet just started coming off in sheets.

R72, depends on how rough you are on your feet (pun intended). If you walk barefoot on sidewalks all day, they'll get rough in a couple of weeks. If you're gentle on them, wear socks sometimes, and/or keep up with smoothing them with a pumice or emery board, they should be okay through the summer. My feet are fairly rough and I like to be barefoot, so I do a foot peel twice per summer.

I just use a sanding sponge from Home Depot. I have a couple of them of different grit sizes.

It gets it done quickly and easily. And with no sheets of dead skin all over the place.

What about the Fish Pedicure, where hundreds of tiny fish nibble away callouses and dead skin?

I'm doing a foot peel right now for the very first time (partially inspired by this thread). I just received it from Amazon:

R76, I once walked by a nail place where there were fish nibbling.

I want to try that! Does it work?

I wanted to do that too, I thought it sounded relaxing but then I read the fish are usually sick and not taken care of and the water is a cesspool of bacteria causing infections

R77 - Keep us posted. I haven't seen this brand before, so I'm curious how it works for you.

I’m doing one now! Thanks for the idea, bitches!

I did a double whammy: vinegar and epsom salt foot soak, followed by the original BabyFoot peel (the others are shit).

Left the booties on for an hour and a half while I watched Netflix.

Either I will have the smooth feet of a newborn, or they will dissolve off.

^Wicked Witch of the East

Thanks for the mention of the foot peel, as well as the vinegar foot bath. I'm headed to Palm Springs tomorrow and have been worried about my feet. I did the vinegar bath with epsom salt and it will be a temporary solution. I can't wait for the foot peels to arrive...I found a set of three on eBay for $10.

Does the vinegar bath also make calluses come off?

R85, it hasn't in my case. I soaked my feet for about 15 minutes and I could feel the vinegar stinging, so I was done. I have terrible calluses that I try to use a Pedi-Egg for, but they come right back. (I also walk barefoot around my tiled condo, which doesn't help.) I'll be very interested to see how the foot masks work.

OK I did it and...now what? Washed it off after 90 and no peeling yet.

^90 minutes

R87, you have to be patient and let the salicylic acid, etc do it's thing.

It takes a couple days for the peeling to start. Soaking your feet for a while every day will help move it along.

It takes maybe a day or two before the shedding starts if I remember correctly r87

What do you soak your feet in daily, post-peel, R90?

R92 one cup of epsom salt in warm water for about 20-30 mins

OK, thanks everyone. I’ll report back when the peeling starts!

Mine took about a week to start peeling. Wear socks around the house. Otherwise you'll leave pieces of dead skin everywhere

Damn R95. First day, no peeling yet.

Oh, took a week to sTART peeling. I read it as as week of peeling!

Take your time, fellas.

You could speed up the peeling by increasing the strength of the acid used. The stronger the acid, the faster the skin comes off. But is that what you want?

Perhaps you REALLY want it to come off painlessly and safely and productively.

Very slight peeling for me so far (just the beginning stages). I will try soaking later tonight to see if that helps the process along. I don't really like being barefoot and normally wear socks most of the time, so hopefully most of the peeling will be contained in my socks.

The peeling really does take about a week to start. It'll look like nothing is happen for the first few days, other than you may still be able to feel the tingling sensation of the gel on your feet (although I don't know if that's only in my head).

I have never soaked my feet in water daily between applying the peel and the peeling starting, and my skin has peeled off completely. I'll do the daily soak after my next peel, and I'm curious to see how it helps the process.

I don't think these peels are a solution for severe calluses, guys. Perhaps start with a peel to get the initial layer or two off, and then I assume you'd have to shave them down or spot-apply another product.

Once it starts peeling, soak your feet in the tub each day and scrub the peely bits with a washcloth. This will help you leave fewer deposits of dead skin around the house.

R77 don't be surprised if you don't see noticeable results/massive peeling. I've used the other brands before and nothing works as well as BabyFoot.

And you won't start noticing peeling for at least a couple of days from when you did your peel, more likely 3-4 days.

The spinning foot thingy at R38 works really well for getting rid of rough spots or calluses. It would probably be a good way to keep feet smooth after a peel too.

Like any other beauty treatment, one application isn't going to fix your dry, crusty feet. You have do add foot peels to your monthly maintenance. Unless you live at the beach or get regular pedicures, your feet need exfoliation.

Shave down those hooves, girls!

Update: I've started to peel a LOT more and it's only been 72 hours since I began the process. I did soak my feet this evening and it definitely accelerated the peeling some. It's messy and somewhat awkward having a combination of new and old skin. I hope the peeling wraps up by the end of this week, although some report it taking up to two weeks (yikes!). My feet weren't all that bad to begin with so I'm hoping it won't extend into next week.

I started the foot peel today. I forget where, but learned that taking a shower will do in place of soaking your feet.

In addition to using foot peels, I've become a fan of these emery board things in the last few months for my heels. They're inexpensive, so I bought a handful, and each lasts a couple of weeks.

OK my feet are now peeling grotesquely! Trying not to help them along, but it’s very tempting!

R87/R109, it took x3 days for you, right? I just did the foot masks last night and it's like I didn't even do them. I'm anticipating the shedding come Sunday or Monday.

R110 as many people have said, it takes several days to start seeing results.

R110 about three days, yeah. It was sudden, the peeling.

I thought that you mixed apple cider vinegar with Listerine and hot water to soak your feet 🦶 for twenty-thirty minutes. That’s what I do..then I use those coarse gloves to remove the dead skin.

I used the foot peel on Monday night, but still no peeling. I used Dr Pedicure, recommended by someone on this thread.

It only works on human feet, R114

R115 - 😂

I tried it on my uncut dick and ended up circumsized.

I’ve tried a few times a Korean foot peeling mask called “Oh K!”. It has worked really well for me. Your feet will start to peel within 3-4 days, and it will last for about a week. Your feet will look beyond disgusting, but the end results are worth it. They will be soft and squishy.

I'm on day 7 and still peeling.

How long does the peeling last? Where does all that skin go? So gross!

[quote]Where does all that skin go?

Wherever you choose to put it. It's your dead skin.

It goes into the freezer, R120. It's wonderful low-carb alternative to rice-paper wraps.

😂 r122.

To heck with peeling! This is how I deal with the rough skin and callouses on my gnarly feet:

It's been three days for me since I wore the foot masks (actually around 75 hours), and still nothing. But I have tons of callouses and my feet have been gross for the last several months. Maybe it takes longer for more dead skin? I can feel a tingle in my feet, but no skin peeling. What's the longest someone's gone before the skin begins shedding?

It can take a week. If you've never done it before, it may take a second treatment for "full" results...I'd wait a month or two before doing so.

[quote]How long does the peeling last? Where does all that skin go? So gross!

My husband said that to me, too. My reply was, "The only thing grosser is having all that dead skin ON you and carting it around all day."

R125 - It may take a full week for the peeling to begin, especially on the thicker skin. You might notice peeling on your ankles and the softer, thinner skin on the top of your foot first. If you kept the foot peel on for the full time as instructed, you should definitely see peeling in a few days.

The only time I got no results was when I used a Baby Foot peel that I bought a year earlier. I didn't know that it might become ineffective over time.

The peeling is actually more like flaking. The skin will come off mostly in little pieces because of all of the creases in your feet. It won't come off in large strips like a sunburn can.

R128, thanks. Still no peeling, but I'll be patient. On day 4 here.

Today marked the 7th day since I used the peel and nothing has happened.

Have you been soaking your feet daily?

Yes R131. I used the Dr Pedicure and never will again. I used the Baby Foot over a year ago and it worked really great, but the results didn't last long. I'm thinking of buying the Amope Pedi.

I used it too and nothing happened. But I suppose it's because I'm attractive and fit.

That's right, R133. Nothing good ever happens to men who are attractive and fit.

I've had really good luck with the peel I purchased from Amazon thus far (I carefully read reviews and ended up choosing the one linked in my original post). I've been pretty much peeling since day 3 and now I'm on day 10 and the peeling is lessening. It's been very messy, but the results seem worth it. My feet weren't bad at all to begin with and I didn't really have deep callouses. I also rarely go barefoot, so maybe my results are better because I didn't have as much dry/dead skin to begin with.

Day 7 of mine, and no noticeable peeling. I got the cheap kind, so I'll try the Baby Foot ones next time.

I just use a pumice stone in the shower every other day at the end of the shower and put petroleum jelly on my feet and socks 2 times a week. Simple.

I ordered a foot peel from Amazon, thanks to this thread and it should be here on Saturday.

Pay attention to R137. NO WHERE does he complain about sheets of peeling skin floating around his home. That's important.

His foot regimen makes good sense. Baby Foot? Not so much. Gimmick!

Pumice doesn't do shit! Petroleum jelly is toxic! Baby Foot is the real deal!

This is making me nauseous! What kind of ill kept feet do you have that an occasional swipe with a Dr Schools foot file won't correct? The whole peeling of the foot skin is disgusting! A frau

Those sanding emery boards for pedicures WORK. I love them so much I have a nice steel one I keep i. my shower, you just remove the sand paper every so often and replace. Nothing works better. I tried Baby Feet and never got a peel, but maybe it was just a bad box, I would definitely try again.

My skin just doesn’t exfoliate naturally at all. It’s awful.

babyfeet works but takes several days...............

Is that gel the same they use during a pedicure? They leave it on a few minutes and they don’t let our feet touch anything, in fact they put on gloves and use plastic to keep our feet off the chair.

One time I touched a part of my toe that had the gel and the guy looked at me like he was going to do what the monsters did in Monsters Inc, when that poor dude accidentally touched a human! He looked panicked!

It can’t be that toxic if they’re putting it on your fucking feet!

Won’t try it, sorry.

r144, it's more likely this stuff. I got this instead because the peels are fun but dont actually get deep enough on my ball of foot/heel, just tge edges. I put this in for 10 minutes, rinse and use a foot cheese grater for a minute and boom, down to pink skin.

Someone suggested covering your feet in plastic wrap after you put the gel on R145 to keep it from drying. Have you had any problems with it drying out before the 10 minutes are up?

Supposedly some calluses are supposed to be left alone, R145.

I told the lady who was doing my pedicure about a callus I had on the side of my big toe and she said she needed to leave it alone. Apparently I walk on this particular callus and it would cause problems for me. 🤔

r146, that would certainly be an option. I sat my naked ass on the edge of the tub and just let my feet sit on the bottom of the tub. no drying out, it's the texture and consistency of vegetable glycerine (or, clear snot). I rinsed my feet but it really clung to my feet (not in a bad way) and I was more worried about slip and falling once I stood up in the tub as it also coated the tub where my feet had touched.

r147, I hear you but also, I walk a lot, I am fat and I wore stilettos for 25 years. I want peeled pink feet as pink as when I use the corn razor blade removal thing. For literally no reason at except I am stubborn :) I would slice that callus off your toe toot sweet!

The stuff they use for pedicures has potassium hydroxide as the main ingredient, it is caustic. You can buy the salon version on Amazon (“Callus Eliminator”) . You do need to follow up with a pumice stone or callus shaver.

So the foot peel—Pure Derm—has lactic acid, urea, glycolic acid as the main ingredients but no % given. I did all the recommended stuff like soaking feet before using, wearing twice as long as recommended, soaking feet every night for five or so nights. Yeah, I peeled: the arch of my foot, the side of my heel, the tops of my toes. Not places which get a lot of callus. The bottom of my heels, I’d say a layer came off but there’s still plenty more that needs to be removed. I’ve got dry skin and I walk everywhere. I don’t remember having having calluses when I was a teenager walking barefoot all summer. I assume that all the glowing reviews for baby soft feet are from young people. Anyone over 40 should cut to the chase and use a shaver.

R138

I’m reporting back— I tried a baby foot peel I ordered from amazon two months ago and nothing. No peeling or anything. I had done a foot peel years ago and this was nothing like I remembered. This week I grabbed one from Target and two days later and my feet are already peeling. The one from amazon must have been old or ineffective from sitting in a hot warehouse!

Just rub a couple of lemons on your feet. It costs 79 cents.

I've been wanting to try these, but I'm afraid to because I'm diabetic. My diabetes is well under control now and my doctor took me off my medication for it. She told me to definitely not use anything like a pumice stone, and to meet with a podiatrist.

I just have one annoying callous on my right foot that I want to get rid of, otherwise my feet look and feel fine. I go for walks pretty much every day, weather permitting, that's when I started getting this.

I have a recommendation. Amlactin Rapid Relief Lotion. Can be purchased online or in some drugstores. I swear by this. I have a mild case of icthyosis - flaking, dry skin. I would never waste time on a foot peel. However I have never allowed my feet to get to the condition that the fat guy on the right in the video did. Peel is too much time. The Amlactin is around $14 for a 7.9 oz. bottle, but worth every penny. I have had to do this exfoliating my whole life and many people think I am 20 years younger than I am. I am sure it is due to constant exfoliating. I even use it on my face, which also flakes. Getting a bit of a sun tan also helps.

Frankly these foot peels sound dangerous. Are they FDA approved. Anything that is so toxic that pedicurists wear protective gear makes me pause. Also not good to compromise your skin while COVID is still around.

I now have to try one, bitches!

[quote] It pulls all the crap off the toenails as well.

What crap? I don’t have any crap on my toenails. That sounds disgusting.

One can do this with a 10-minute soak-'n'-slough.

A week?

Please.

You bitches just inspired me to pull out my callus shaver and microplane. Also bookmarked a bunch of stuff to buy!

i use the Microplane device and it's amazing how much dead skin it shaves off. It's similar to the Pedi-egg. But you need to be careful and make sure you're buying a real one. Ordered a 2nd one from amazon and it was counterfeit

I got the linked, it has quickly moved into my top 10 rechargeable electronic devices

I use the Kocostar Foot Therapy. I usually let it do it’s thing but last time I washed my feet after and used a foot scraper to remove the dead skin. That’s what they do when I get a pedicure treatment. It worked perfectly. I can’t believe how much skin came off my foot! Like someone said, it’s gross and fascinating.

After the scraping I’ll wash my feet, dry it and then use ultra moisturizing lotion. My feet look fantastic!

I went full 'fuck this shit' and got a course mushroomhead diamond grinding attachment and rock polishing attachments for my dremel and sit in my empty tub with the shower curtain closed and get pink baby ass smooth feet in under 5 minutes.

R160 - I would like to know what else is on your top-10 list of rechargeable devices.

haha, no you wouldn't r163. you know that you wouldn't

R162 No offense, dear, but you mentioned upthread that you are fat so was it uncomfortable for you to "sit in my empty tub with the shower curtain closed" and work on your feet? I can barely bend over to trim my toenails!

no offense taken r165! If I were ashamed of being fat I would never mention it on here. I am tall for a woman and extremely long waisted. I don't carry my fat in my stomach because I am so long waisted, it's evenly spread out all over my body so I have no problem reaching my toes (occasionally I have a stiff back and need to stretch a bit but I think that's age too).

Also, sometimes I sit in the tub and sometimes it's on the edge of the tub (facing in). Either way the shower curtain is closed.