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Most Overrated Gay Icon

Sometime gays latch onto somebody early in their career, and then, even though the celeb disappoints, they won't let go. It's not like gays as a group are known for having any unhealthy emotional issues vis-à-vis female celebrities, or anything.

Anyway, which of these is the most overrated. Justify your answers in the comments.

by Anonymousreply 91Last Wednesday at 3:08 AM

Nancy Culp?! One of these things is not like the others...

by Anonymousreply 106/29/2020

R1, I put that in for our lesbian friends.

by Anonymousreply 206/29/2020

Lady Gaga owns this thread. The most patronizing and desperate of all the women listed. That whole "be yourself" BS was ultimately patronizing.

by Anonymousreply 306/29/2020

Lady Gag is the Trump of Pop.

And quite reductive. Look it up!

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by Anonymousreply 406/29/2020

Taylor Swift is NOT a gay icon.

Bey is the most overrated. She’s had like, 3 memorable singles: Single Ladies, Crazy in Love, and Sweet Dreams. Telephone is with Gaga but I guess I’ll be charitable and include it.

People voting for Madonna are insane.

by Anonymousreply 506/29/2020

Madonna can’t sing or act. She can dance a little. She should have been a pole dancer.

by Anonymousreply 606/29/2020

Madonna actually did speak out for gays at a time when people thought it was disgusting to associate with them and she was very outspoken on AIDS. Lady Gaga patronized to gays at a time when it was way easier to jump on a trend and act like you supported it all along.

by Anonymousreply 706/29/2020

Gaga by far. Goodness, she is a trainwreck.

by Anonymousreply 806/29/2020

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by Anonymousreply 906/29/2020

I understand why people find her annoying, but I think Lady Gaga is the only person on this list whose talents are more underrated than they are overrated. She can legitimately sing beautifully and often makes interesting artistic choices not to do so, and although I thought A Star Is Born was a sappy, Lifetime-caliber movie, her performance was the best part of it. There’s a ton of artifice in her art but she is a talented woman. She also was in my opinion brilliant to respond to a music industry that told her she is too ugly to be a star by taking off her pants and hot gluing muppets to her head so that people couldn’t look away, and then waiting a couple of years before showing off her real performative talents after she was a household name.

Nicki Minaj and Katy Perry started dressing like anime characters after Gaga made it normal, and then Gaga stopped doing it and instead just sang and acted impressively.

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by Anonymousreply 1006/29/2020

I agree with R5. I think Beyonce is the most overrated but Swift doesn't even belong the list. Gaga ushered in a new era of Euro style dance pop and made 70s fashion popular again so she's deserving.

by Anonymousreply 1106/29/2020

This is about being overrated as a gay icon, not their talent. I don't deny her talent--she's just the biggest tryhard and phony of all the women listed. The other women, even Taylor, all come off as more authentic than her. Gaga stopped the whole weird-schtick long after the public gave up on it. Hence ArtPop being a flop.

by Anonymousreply 1206/29/2020

You left off Britney Spears. Every gay guy I know loves her and I've never understood why.

by Anonymousreply 1306/29/2020

Overrated: Britney/Gaga Underrated: Bjork

by Anonymousreply 1406/29/2020

the worst thing about Beyonce are her fans.

by Anonymousreply 1506/29/2020

Britney Spears is vacant enough that any group, whether it be gays, robots, trans, etc. can claim her as a champion of theirs. It's not like she'll object. She's too drugged up to do that.

by Anonymousreply 1606/29/2020

What are we, chopped liver? There are more drag queen impersonations of us than all the other people on the list combined.

by Anonymousreply 1706/29/2020

You bitches need to start including Tori Amos on these lists.

by Anonymousreply 1806/29/2020

Wait, how is Michelle Obama a “gay icon”?!

by Anonymousreply 1906/29/2020

Most Deserving: STEVIE NICKS.

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by Anonymousreply 2006/29/2020

R19 She wore a dress designed by a gay guy once. Duh.

by Anonymousreply 2106/29/2020

R19, I put Michelle Obama there so Beyonce wouldn't be the only black person.

by Anonymousreply 2206/29/2020

R20, Stevie Nicks is NOT overrated!

by Anonymousreply 2306/29/2020

Beyoncé is NOT overrated as a gay icon. People aren’t reading the thread right. She has not used us for her career like that rancid Gaga and has actually shown sincerity as an ally.

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by Anonymousreply 2406/29/2020

R23 Stevie Nicks has the voice of a thousand angels!

by Anonymousreply 2506/29/2020

R23, I meant Stevie was MOST DESERVING of being a Gay Icon, sorry!

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by Anonymousreply 2606/29/2020

Kate Bush is a true GAY ICON, not that watered-down imitator Amos.

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by Anonymousreply 2706/29/2020

Julie Andrews

by Anonymousreply 2806/29/2020

“Not all the divas are musicians...they are dancers who can sing. So that needs to be acknowledged.”

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by Anonymousreply 2906/29/2020

Darren Criss

by Anonymousreply 3006/29/2020

Um, where is the great Alok Vaid Menon, poetry wiz of the century!? Epic Fail!!

by Anonymousreply 3106/29/2020

Gaga had some great jams and brought us all a party joy and aesthetic that was sorely needed during and after the Bush years.

Yes, she was bandwagony with our rights and came off as very trite. But transparent or no, she DID stand up. When has Britney, Christina, Gwen Stefani, etc EVER?

Most importantly, she brought us SHANNON Gaga, one of my favorite personalities from the aughts.

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by Anonymousreply 3206/29/2020

R23, too late. I have already reported you to the gay police. They will be over to your house soon to confiscate your tasteful throw pillows, all-male porn, miniature spoon collection, and caftans.

by Anonymousreply 3306/29/2020

Finally! An award Beyonce deserves.

by Anonymousreply 3406/29/2020

Why are they all females ?

by Anonymousreply 3506/29/2020

R35, we'll do Roddy McDowell and Freddy Mercury for you, tomorrow.

by Anonymousreply 3606/29/2020

OP, Nancy Kulp and Michelle Obama don’t belong in the poll. Nancy Kulp was a wonderful character actress and she’s a lesbian icon, as well.

Michelle Obama is not an entertainer; she’s universally loved, admired and respected for her humanitarianism. (Aside from being a former excellent First Lady.)

by Anonymousreply 3706/29/2020

R37, don't you find it ironic as you drool and emote over Michelle Obama in the same reply as you claim she is not a gay icon?

by Anonymousreply 3806/29/2020

No Liza Minnelli? Please report to the courtesy desk and turn in your gay card.

by Anonymousreply 3906/29/2020

Not one is gay. That’s so interesting...Rosie O’Donnell, Ellen (even with her baggage), K.D. Lang, Oscar Wilde, James Dean, Gore Vidal, Elton John, RuPaul...I’d consider all of them gay idols. I’d throw in Cary Grant as well and Brando since he was openly bi.

by Anonymousreply 4006/29/2020

The pandering straight white guys like Nick Jonas (but oh god do I want him in my bed!)

by Anonymousreply 4106/29/2020

Barbra should be voted as most overrated; however, she should be on the list.

by Anonymousreply 4206/29/2020

^^should NOT be!! Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 4306/29/2020

Lady Trump is the worst.

by Anonymousreply 4406/29/2020

R37, I'm not sure either one of those two are actually women.

by Anonymousreply 4506/30/2020

Not overrated by a long shot, but Annie Lennox should be included as a gay icon.

by Anonymousreply 4606/30/2020

R20=Thorgy Thor

by Anonymousreply 4706/30/2020

Where’s Angela Lansbury ?

by Anonymousreply 4806/30/2020

R48, she is solving murders whilst on vacation. What are you doing with your summer?

by Anonymousreply 4906/30/2020

Beyonce couldn't give a flying fuck if all gay men were executed. Shes one of those archetypical overzealous Christians.

by Anonymousreply 5006/30/2020

R50, I'm guessing Beyonce didn't answer your fan letter.

by Anonymousreply 5106/30/2020

Madonna. She was all media hype and her work simply doesnt hold up in 2020. She has no influence.

by Anonymousreply 5206/30/2020

I don't really give a shit about her. I just know she's super Christian and probably has to pay handlers to remove her head from her own ass before she shoots a video.

by Anonymousreply 5306/30/2020

[quote]I put Michelle Obama there so Beyonce wouldn't be the only black person.

Diana Ross (ALSO ON YOUR LIST) throws side-eye your way.

by Anonymousreply 5406/30/2020

[quote]She has no influence.

GaGa's ouvre would like a word.

From the list, OP, the only ones I like are Madonna (up to Like a Prayer) and Cher (hair metal era only) (and Obama but don't think she belongs here).

by Anonymousreply 5506/30/2020

Barbra Streisand would get my vote.

by Anonymousreply 5606/30/2020

Icons don't actually have to be the best. That's what's so weird, and what people don't seem to get anymore. They strike a chord, so to speak, at the right time and place. Joan Crawford was not the best actress, but she was an iconic movie star, and an iconic gay icon. Just happens. Analysis of whether they were "the best" is always completely beside the point. And Beyonce, Taylor Swift, and Michelle Obama may all be great at what they do, but it doesn't make them iconic in any way, shape, or form.

by Anonymousreply 5706/30/2020

Cher, on the other hand, came along at the right time with the right look and the right story and now, iconic. There's absolutely no logic to it. It happens or not.

by Anonymousreply 5806/30/2020

Jackie Kennedy, iconic. Pretty much every other First Lady of the 20th century, good, bad, indifferent, but not iconic. Maybe Eleanor Roosevelt, but she's in a different category, actual heroine.

by Anonymousreply 5906/30/2020

R59, you are right, but she still had a face like an old mop.

by Anonymousreply 6006/30/2020

Vance?

by Anonymousreply 6106/30/2020

R40 But James Dean wasn't gay either. And wasn't Nancy Culp supposedly gay?

by Anonymousreply 6206/30/2020

R61, Viv is NOT overrated! Why, she was Lucy's best friend, for heaven's sake!

by Anonymousreply 6306/30/2020

I was BORN THIS WAY

by Anonymousreply 6406/30/2020

What way R64? Fraudulent?

by Anonymousreply 6506/30/2020

Joe Camel's wife is a gay icon?

by Anonymousreply 6606/30/2020

R7, so if someone you like supports gay rights it's cool....but if someone you dislikes supports gay rights it's patronizing?

BTW, some of these people aren't even gay icons. I mean....Taylor Swift?

by Anonymousreply 6706/30/2020

Madonna owned a damn decade. You may hate her now, but in the 80s, no, that was not allowed. Yeah, gay icon.

by Anonymousreply 6806/30/2020

R50

That is a fucking lie. She loved her gay uncle who died from AIDS and took care of him.

She was the biggest ally to gay marriage and has been promoting pro-gay Democrats.

Beyoncé is a sincere ally. Fuck you.

by Anonymousreply 6906/30/2020

super. great, happy for her. not an icon. thanks for sharing.

by Anonymousreply 7006/30/2020

We need something like the French Academy which decided which words were actually allowed in, and which weren't. We need the Gay Icon Academy. Many will crowd into the lobby, few will be allowed into the Inner Sanctum!

by Anonymousreply 7106/30/2020

R68, Madonna is trash.

by Anonymousreply 7206/30/2020

maybe what you think today r72, but sorry, she clawed her way in in the 1980s. Too late now. Bitch was iconic and that is what happened. Ask RuPaul.

by Anonymousreply 7306/30/2020

R71, Mon Dieu!

by Anonymousreply 7406/30/2020

And Barbara Streisand of course!!! Why? Who knows? who cares?

by Anonymousreply 7506/30/2020

"She was the biggest ally to gay marriage and has been promoting pro-gay Democrats."

The biggest allies to gay rights and marriage are gay people. Stop worshipping breeders who just want your money and do nothing for us.

by Anonymousreply 7606/30/2020

Me me me

by Anonymousreply 7706/30/2020

you were on the cusp Miss Warwick. You get a front row in the lobby, but honestly ...

by Anonymousreply 7806/30/2020

R76, you could say the same for all "gay friendly" straight celebs

by Anonymousreply 7906/30/2020

Pamelyn Ferdin

by Anonymousreply 8006/30/2020

LIZA MINELLI

by Anonymousreply 8106/30/2020

Peggy Cass

by Anonymousreply 8206/30/2020

Princess Diana. Yes, she did charity work including AIDS related work in tbe early days but she was not the saint that people make her out to be.

by Anonymousreply 8306/30/2020

R82, are Cass Elliot and Peggy Cass the same person?

by Anonymousreply 8406/30/2020

Nancy Kulp OP? FUCK YOU!!!

by Anonymousreply 8506/30/2020

R54, I have some news for you about Diana Ross's race.

by Anonymousreply 8606/30/2020

The goddam, cocksucking Golden Girls, Rose!

by Anonymousreply 8706/30/2020

Kylie!

by Anonymousreply 8806/30/2020

What do you suppose James Brolin saw in her?

he seems like a normal actor.. Why did he fall for that shit?

by Anonymousreply 8906/30/2020

Taylor Swift and Michelle Obama are not gay icons. Invalid poll by an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 90Last Wednesday at 3:05 AM

Bette Midler probably. Given her comments on Larry King.

by Anonymousreply 91Last Wednesday at 3:08 AM
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