DL Favorite Alok Vaid-Menon on New Age of TQIA+BLG Activism

Jeez, could this person not have consulted a beauty guide or plucked some eyebrow, FFS?! Holy cow. He’s an ugly man and even more hideous as a “woman.”

Why is he dressed as Frida Kahlo? This is anti-hispanic racist cultural appropriation.

It's Pat! The 2020 version, of course.

Oh no Xhr AGAIN!

Doesn't this clown realise there are far more important things in the world at the moment than giving xhr the oxygen of publicity.

Great. We've gotten them to remove the T from LGBT themselves! LGB, it is.

[quote] he also casually dismisses the lived reality of so many (allegedly) 'privileged' LGB people.

The Stanford grad son of a doctor and a health care company CEO wants to talk about privilege? Ok.

Now if we can just drop L and B.

This guy should NOT be non binary. He's just an ugly man. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I doubt it is much of a sea change unless he is finally getting laid - is he hoping some hot black top is going throw him a pity fuck? Nah - those DL men don't give a shit about gay men much less the rest of the alphabet.

And I hate to break it to him but this moment will fade like every other issue but unless democrats get elected in a nationwide sweep taking back the senate and presidency along with several state legislatures, no serious reforms will ever get past any republican. You may get some minor symbolic bills (like the Hate Crimes bill in GA which has been introduced but never moved from committee for the last 20+ years but it is just a sentencing enhancement and of course Kemp is going to "balance" it out with new protections for cops). I don't see Alok canvassing for Joe Biden or any democrat so hope he enjoys his 15 minutes on cable news....

Well Canada went down this route over the last few years with the pride committees taken over by these nutters and they banned gay cops from marching in uniform, put the crazy anti-israel palestinian groups front and center, and banned most corporate sponsorship. And now they have lost so much money, including from some city governments like Toronto, that they are basically bankrupt and most people have no interest in the crazy politics so attendance is down and no one wants to take on the loonies so who knows what will happen. It was 2 or 3 years ago when one city made BLM the honorary hosts and they returned the favor by protesting the Pride march by staging a sit in for several hours - and they were the fucking invited hosts. I guess we avoided that by just making it a BLM march and avoiding the spectacle. Anyway, since gay rights are now considered a racist privilege, are we supposed to just focus on queer POC trans sex workers?

R10 interesting take, I appreciated it. Isn't it starting to look like Pride as an event is going the way of Freaknik and fading out? Is there even a need for a Pride anymore? I'm 31 so by the time I started going it was already a corporate-saturated affair, but notably absent was the horrid SJW atmosphere that forbids fun and makes scolding lectures mandatory. Fuck me, but I think that gay men and women should be the focus of gay pride, not literal heterosexuals "identifying themselves as queer" or a "non-binary demisexual aromantic gender queer. "

It's a sea change ladies and gent...er , oppressors and non-binaries.

Whatever. This entity is annoying. Go away.

Indian diaspora are always desperate status seekers.

Which results in things like this.

r3 Marry me!

R4 described Xhr perfectly.

A clown.

Do they have a dick pic?

I think xe's tremendous!

Why do "nonbinary" men always look like a man's idea of what a women looks like and never a woman's idea of what a woman looks like?

When they play dress-up, it always winds up being a stereotype of what a female looks like.

[quote] When they play dress-up, it always winds up being a stereotype of what a female looks like.

No more so than butch lesbians or 'transmen', who always try to look like Poochie from The Simpsons.

[quote] Well Canada went down this route over the last few years with the pride committees taken over by these nutters and they banned gay cops from marching in uniform, put the crazy anti-israel palestinian groups front and center, and banned most corporate sponsorship.

Coming soon to a Pride organization near you. Gay and lesbian cops are not going to be marching in uniform at Pride parades anywhere very soon. People in the US tried to resist this in 2017 and through last year. But that is about to change. In the wake of George Floyd the reformers have sensed an opening and a vulnerability. There has been intense pressure over the last few weeks to force Pride organizing committees to publicly forbid cops in uniforms from marching and being visible. I say build bridges not walls, but that doesn’t seem popular.

If the “woke folx” take over you can look forward to very little fun but lots of scolding lectures about all the ills of the world.

[quote]If the “woke folx” take over you can look forward to very little fun but lots of scolding lectures about all the ills of the world.

Yep. This is why women have to be kept out of Pride.

I took one look at that picture and LMAO!

As a gay man, I'm sick and tired of the gay community being hijacked and exploited by these mentally ill freaks. I stopped supporting gay causes because I'm tired of being associated with these anti-social, confrontational weirdos.

The heteros now detest all of us and it has made all of the hard work by gay men to achieve equality irrelevant. LGBT needs to separate.

Alok is an upper class/upper caste Brahmin. The very definition of privilege.

Alok is like a turd that keeps popping up.

🤡🤡

So, we're all just supposed to ignore the privilege this person has had, has, and will always have that allowed this person to go to Stanford and somehow be able to afford a rather expensive seeming lifestyle without actually engaging in income earning activities?

Sure, Jan.

"......all of the hard work by gay men to achieve equality irrelevant"

Men are never good for women in any context, are they?

Another poor soul seeking attention in more ways than one. In the years to come he'll look back at his behavior and be horrified.

A Stanford grad, well-off parents who funded him in NYC for years so he could gad about doing nothing but play dress-up. Has never held an actual job. He's more privileged than 90% of white people.

Oh, and he experiences "harassment" every day because of the way he looks. Well, honey, if you dress like a rodeo clown every time you go out in public you'll get gawked at. Anybody who dresses like that will get the same treatment.

Gorgeousity!!

[quote] The Stanford grad son of a doctor and a health care company CEO wants to talk about privilege? Ok.

If he (and his friends) didn’t have that socio-economic and educational background, nobody would’ve written about or heard of him. I think this whole movement is just a bunch of boring and talentless Ivy League rich kids who desperately want to be thought of as interesting.

That dress is made for curves which he is lacking.

Okay here's a controversial take: A lot of Asian gay men end up like this because they're bitter they can't score any straight white dick.

Ohmygawd!

I've heard of this Alok character, but never seen him before. What a terrifying freakshow!

Non-binary my ass, that's a fucking hairy-assed guy in a muu muu!

Here's the thing: no woman who dressed like that would be invited onto NBC to pontificate about gender. For a woman to be allowed access to such platforms, she would have to dress conservatively and 'sensibly'; nothing outrageous or too colourful or too playful that would detract from what it is they have to say. Their makeup, similarly, would be expected to be modest and subtle. Not too aestheticised and not too sexual.

This expectation is an outrage, of course. Women should be able to dress however they fucking want, and still be taken seriously. But until the patricarchy is dismantled (and it should) things will continue to be like this for women, and they will have to adhere to patriarchal societal expectations in order to be heard and respected.

But for all their protestations, that isn't what's happening here. Nothing is being dismantled by Vaid-Menon. The freedom to be 'gender non-conforming' in the public eye is a privileged afforded to bodies that would otherwise be regarded as male. The freedom to not be neither male nor female, while being given a public platform, kookily made up in an orange dress with purple hair, is another form of a specifically male privilege.

[quote]Here's the thing: no woman who dressed like that would be invited onto NBC to pontificate about gender. For a woman to be allowed access to such platforms, she would have to dress conservatively and 'sensibly'; nothing outrageous or too colourful or too playful that would detract from what it is they have to say. Their makeup, similarly, would be expected to be modest and subtle. Not too aestheticised and not too sexual.

Women can wear whatever they want. It's men who can't.

[quote]This expectation is an outrage, of course. Women should be able to dress however they fucking want, and still be taken seriously. But until the patricarchy is dismantled (and it should) things will continue to be like this for women, and they will have to adhere to patriarchal societal expectations in order to be heard and respected.

Men should be able to dress however they want. And your visceral reaction to Alok is because he's a man in a dress.

Sometimes, it's hard to be a woman.

Uh. I hate Charlotte Clymer. She supported Warren not Pete.

I’d have some respect for ‘lesbian’ Charlie Clymer if they were prepared to take hormones to shrink their cock and balls or even have it inverted into a nice ladygarden, but no, they’re very non committal about being a woman.

[quote]I’d have some respect for ‘lesbian’ Charlie Clymer if they were prepared to take hormones to shrink their cock and balls or even have it inverted into a nice ladygarden, but no, they’re very non committal about being a woman.

Stop it.

That's incredibly dangerous and unhealthy.

Was it alok or Jacob that wrote an article about not understanding why children stare at him when he’s out in public?

Alok is the one who said little girls are sexy right? Jacob is the one who claimed ikea was transphobic because he was asleep when they showed up to his house to deliver his furniture but left when no one answered the door.

I agree r40 Charlotte clymer is dangerous.

Oh that reminds me R42! Does anyone remember that long winded self-pity-fest article Alok wrote about how he couldn't find a boyfriend and nobody would have sex with him and he didn't understand why?

It seems pretty obvious to me...

DL fave??? Whose fave? Anyone want to claim?

I don't care what genitals Charlotte has, as that is not any of my business, but I do mind how thirst she is for attention.

WTF is that thing?

Xhir is [bold]NonGenderNonbinaryQueerColorfulNonsomethingPlussomethingMultibinaryNonmalefemale[/bold] with very serious feminine back hair R46.

Everybody knows that!

Uh oh... I ruined the thread.

Closing [/bold]

Alok said little girls were "kinky, deviant and mean" R42.

Actually it was Meredith who wrote that crap r43.

[quote]Yep. This is why women have to be kept out of Pride.

You should just hang out with the misogynistic MtF cult because you'd fit right in.

It's women who brought the ludicrous non-binary and queer identities into Pride, making a mockery of gay men's struggle.

They, and you, R51, need to get the fuck out of gay men's spaces.

[quote] Well Canada went down this route over the last few years with the pride committees taken over by these nutters and they banned gay cops from marching in uniform, put the crazy anti-israel palestinian groups front and center, and banned most corporate sponsorship.

This is one of the few times I'm glad America is more conservative than Canada.

It never ends!

First the daffy NY Times, now take a look at the Google Doodle for the day....Marsha P. Johnson and the trans flag!!!!!

Wherever It is, it's fucking ugly

Has his poor Indian grandmother died of a broken, embarrassed heart yet?

I am impressed by the combination of a Donna Brazeale hairdo and the "Oh Mighty Isis!" 1970s disco Egyptian superhero necklace.

Even in the 00s, if someone acted like this and wrote shitty poetry, they would be laughed at. Yet somehow Alok has gotten even famous celebs like Sam Smith to "celebrate" his shitty writing and he gets to speak at actual prominent gigs. WTF is wrong with society?

Point a finger at pocket gay and cis white rich blogger Andy Towle for giving this hypocrite more space to spew his drivel.

Grifterocracy. That's what we live in. And yes, it includes the Grifter in Chief.

So is it a man or a woman? Because those are the only two options.

Who cares. At this point the only people listening to what he and people of his ilk have to say are those who share the same delusions. It's like Fox News. What's the point in being outraged at what they have to say when the only people who listen to it are those who share the same sentiments as it.

Goodness, the anti trans folks here are exhausting.

That horse must not only be good and dead, but being pounded towards the earth's core.

R63 He isn't trans, that's the problem. Trans people are completely fine and valid. Just like gay people all they want to do is live their own life and be their true selves. People like this are something different.

[quote] Uh. I hate Charlotte Clymer. She supported Warren not Pete.

You sound smart.

Man in dress is still man. Such man has penes which needs the licking. When lady licke the penes she get the money. So I say, Welcomen Alok! I be Best Friend to you.

Meredith Whatsersnatch should be here any second now.

Ole Sour Puss is going to be 29 tomorrow on July 1st. Wish her/him/it/whatever a Happy Birthday!

What is the point of this person? All he does is dress like a circus clown for his Instagram photos, apparently. That's basically his entire day's work. Why should we care?

That pose and dress style looks like something that Lena Dunham would do - I'll bet the both of them could be best buddies.

Who's Lena Dunham?

Stop giving these people a venue for their idiocy, just ignore them.

I've read quite a few insightful comments on this thread. Really, more consistancy than usual. Anyone who doesn't understand why gays & lesbians are so opposed to the the trans population consuming the Pride movement simply needs to consider this character, his platform, his peers & their rather desultory demands. The leftists & the woke--and even those who live in the 'burbs & just want to be supportive of Pride--consider Alok & people like him trans. They are not, any more than asexual people are homosexual people. Gay people have calculated & worked diligently to bring us to this point in our history, seemingly to have it invaded by individuals who exists in supposition & nuance, as if they are attempting to convincingly translate their virtual social media identities into the real world. Their adhering to the Pride movement is tantamount to bringing untrained rescue dogs home to live with trained show dogs--and all help breaks lose. No one is denying anyone's or any group's right to be prideful, just organize your own telethon.

All of this infiltration & distortion of the gay movement has most certainly caused me to become a conservatively minded person, or rather a more practically, realistically minded person. I very much understand the conservative movement with the black community in the light of BLM's extremism, lack of focus & the movements infiltration with fringe leftists. I still possess much of my democratic ethics & principles, but after so many self-righteous voices contradicting the one before it & so many self-appointed experts acting upon ego & emotion, enough is enough.

And since I've made this shift personally I've noticed one very curious detail: My conservative friends really don't care about anyone's sexuality, gender or race. My liberal friends? Those fuckers obsess over those & anything associated, far beyond being constructive or desire to be progressive.

Except for the chest hair, I thought for sure I was looking at the housekeeper we had when I was growing up.

r73 ITA 100%

Can't we just bring back the word "cross-dresser" for these sort of folk?

[quote] Trans people are completely fine and valid. Just like gay people all they want to do is live their own life and be their true selves.

Let me guess, you don't actually know any trans people, right?

Meredith was the one that did the performance art where she did a back flip and landed on a dildo mounted on the stage at Harvard.

Meredith wrote that horrible article titled something like "why you're coolest gender non-confirming friends can't get laid". Trash. But she is the most normal looking of the three (Alok, Jacob, Meredith, etc.)

They can't get laid because they look fucking batshit CRAZY. Nobody wants to fuck with crazy.

If Alok dropped the gender fluid shtick, adopted a lifestyle a bit closer to normal, waxed his back, hit the gym hard, dressed in flattering men’s clothes, and subtly let it be known that he comes from money, he’d have no trouble getting laid or getting a boyfriend. He has some strengths but he’s not playing to them at all.

R80 No, crazy wants to fuck crazy, which is why they all love themselves so much.

The problem is these people are picky. They refuse to fuck other non-binaries and genderqueer freaks. They only want to have relationships with cis, straight, muscular, attractive men. But obviously those dudes want nothing to do with them because when you're a cis, straight, muscular, attractive man why would you want to fuck a fat hairy man who wears makeup and dresses and would probably murder you in your sleep?

Exactly r82. For all their bitching and moaning about "cis men" those are the only guys they feel that they're entitled to. They want the All-American jock. As if that's ever going to happen. Guys like that don't give these freaks the time of day, and they're bitter as hell about it.

[quote] They only want to have relationships with cis, straight, muscular, attractive men.

How ironic. Where are all these SJWs out there? Shouldn't they be screaming "STOP FETISHIZING" at these people?

Yeah, this pretty summarizes why I find this moment in the timeline to be so frustrating.

I'm black. I'm gay. I've always lamented the whitewashing of the gay experience and I want to be happy that POC are being elevated of positions of power and influence within our community. However, the Right went to the extreme and the Left answered with their extreme. That's what I see in a lot of the fringe left activism that has iterated in LGBTQ+ circles. And the sad part is that there isn't enough maturity to entertain honest discourse and ask honest questions.

I love me some femme gay men. And I believe the vast majority of them are naturally feminine and got a lot of shit for it growing up. Thing is that they can't help it. Alok and these people...do they *have* to parade around in flamboyant clothes designed for women? If that's how they feel comfortable then that's fine. But why do they take up so much space? Why are we giving more of them platforms than those who literally can't control how they are presented to the world. Femme gay men. POC, women (I feel like people have completely erased lesbians), etc.

Also...are non-binary people really a protected class? Like, aren't they oppressed because they're, like, gay? lol

It seems like the more privilege they have, the louder they are. Do people really need to identify as someone who struggles?

Is this a slam poetry thing?

Also, everything R81 said.

So they aren't attracted to each other sexually, but they're mad we aren't sexually attracted to them?

This loser is why I never want kids. It’s such a crap shoot these days.

I’m glad I had an abortion r88!

You know, he really is a fat.

Interestingly, Alok is Urvashi Vaid's nephew. I detect some intra-family attention-whoring.

This is some Hunger Games shit. The rich and weird dress colourfully, while the working class are lectured for not doing enough, creating a constant feeling of confusion. It's all part of the plan.

Whose plan R92?

The thing that makes Alok and his ilk most unfuckable is not the Frieda Khalo fever dream aesthetic. Looking at their photos, they have the most joyless, sourpuss, insufferable expressions. They must be awfully unpleasant to have around.

Urvashi Vaid is fake as all fuck. This would be her time except she's a has been. That she's auntie to this wretched thing is must bring her great distaste with double the bitterness of having to disguise it as joy.

I keep saying he is a Brahmin, but I stand corrected - he's literally an Untouchable (and Unfuckable).

R94 nails it. Extremely joyless. Everything is a transgression (he, he) and everything is a problem.

Looks like Klinger, only not as cute

These guys used to be called cross dressers, and nobody really paid them much attention. It was just considered a weird kink, but harmless. Now it's a third gender or something.

Alok and his clique are poseurs. They claim to stand for some intellectualised redefinition of gender, but it's really all about getting attention wearing auntie's frocks. And, to be fair, it's working: he has had a book published, has appeared on network television, does speaking tours. Everybody loves the circus!

QUE ?

Alok is a hairy gay beastie boy who likes wearing ugly dresses and too many accessories.

He's rockin a lesbian hairdo circa '92

Sylvester, Pete Burns and Boy George were doing this long before Alok did. But I guess it's supposed to be "edgy" and "bold" because he's some brown hairy brahmin dude? LOL.

There is no such thing as "gay privilege".

^^^^^ There is with decorating ......

He's a cross dresser. BFD. Why is this so revolutionary and deserving of celebration?

R107, because he adds shitty poetry and generalwriting to that as well. So groundbreaking! "People always look at me like I'm a freak who is trying to look weird. Why do people think I'm desperate. It's like I just want endless attention. Woe is me.".

There's nothing wrong with it that a swift kick down a flight of stairs can't cure.

[quote] Anyway, I wondered... He is calling himself a 'gender non-conforming person' here, so does he see himself as a man who likes to wear makeup and women's clothes, or does he really identify as NB and pretend to be some unicorn non-sex?

I do not just "call myself" a gender non-conforming person--THAT IS WHAT I AM.

Now I have told you, THERE CAN BE NO QUESTION NOW AS TO WHAT I AM. To even question it is to call my LITERAL EXISTENCE into question.

I am reporting you to the authorities for trying to LITERALLY ERASE ME. You can expect big trouble ahead!

I'd love to be there when xe unloads xir shtick for xir relatives in Texas about how xe considers xirself "a wise Pakistani Auntie giving you the side eye."

[quote] Sylvester, Pete Burns and Boy George were doing this long before Alok did.

No, unlike Alok they did it with style. Alok and his buddy seem hellbent on looking as unstylish and annoying as possible. They dress like dowdy librarians who know nothing about fashion. They strive to be as ugly as possible which probably tells something profound about their psyche.

I agree that Alok and Jacob Tobia have zero style. Even if they shaved all the facial and body hair (which they are purposefully leaving to make a statement) they would look awful. They don't choose good color combinations or nice clothes.

[quote] No, unlike Alok they did it with style.

Youre right, I should have clarified.

Garish fashion should only be worn by those wanting to be killed.

Maybe they will catch COVID-19 and die.

Also: Sylvester, Pete Burns and Boy George were talented artists.

R117 - correct. This clown's only talent is for self-publicising xhrself. Xhr's poetry is fucking awful, it's not poetry by any yardstick I'm aware of, just delusional rantings / woe is me, that has no metre, structure or rhyme (yes I know not all poetry rhymes).

Xhr may be a hit on social media, but no one outside of its bubble is even aware of its existence. Lucky them - ignorance is bliss.

You will never be able to un-see this.....

r119 😱

It's like that two-piece was photoshopped onto his body.

Has anyone said "kill it with fire" yet?

He doesn't even have 500k followers. So I'd guess he's probably paid for around half of his followers, that puts him at around 250k, then you have accounts that are dead and I'd say that's round 5k of them, and then also people with multiple accounts, plus the people who just follow him for laugh and the guy is probably at the 200k real follower range. Nobody should ever take these people seriously because they have very little sway. So for anyone thinking there won't be a backlash against extreme trans rights, you are wrong.

[quote]This loser is why I never want kids. It’s such a crap shoot these days.

Ditto. Imagine having a child and then it turns out like Alok. God, I would have to just kill myself.

Took over DL fave Colton Haynes IG account today.

He’s a pedophile who believes that children seduce grown men.

I guess, like Nico Tortellini, ol' Colto is now deep into the Cult of Non-Binary.

Sorry, DL.

[quote] [bold] #transtakeover [/bold]

How aptly named. At least they’re being honest — though I doubt that was their intention.

Bless him-her.

Is he-she looking for employment? A colourful old south-of-the-border ladyman housekeeper, their botty wobbling in a bright flowery dress with slippers as they dust and sing, holds great appeal!

What an ugly person. Shame!

What i don’t get about trans people is that it’s like a contest who can be less visually appealing

I just can't discern how we got to this point from gay rights to alphabet soup that forefronts Alok, et al and their gender confusion. Trans was bad enough but at least there was some logic behind it and actual people who were clearly suffering and seemed helped by the transition process but these poseurs seem more like poseurs more than anything else. Its someone decided that the tumblr blogs written by teen girls last decade was actual reality and people just make shit up, even if its internally inconsistent or batshit crazy, and we are just supposed applaud them and put them at the front of Pride parades. Gays had to battle centuries and we had to be studied and have 100s of science studies before we got even a foot in the door and we just handed it over to these cranks who then turn around and attack and invalidate gay men and especially lesbians. What little that is left of the gay media is filled with people like this nut lecturing us on sexuality. Ugh

r132. Dismissing trans as gender confusion is why nobody takes you seriously and immediately dismisses you as a troll.

r133 If you had paid attention, you would have noticed that the confusion comment was about Alok and his ilk and I specifically drew a distinction between actual trans people and this poseur but troll is as troll does - you being the troll here.

Ugh. State of that.

r134. LOL are you really trying to TRUMP me?

"No Puppet, no Puppet! YOU'RE THE PUPPET!"

DL always getting the basic ones.

Trans is real. Bisexuality is real. As gay people we should realize that having one's sexual identify dismissed is hurtful and constantly having to defend your true self is fucked up. That said, the whole pansexual thing is 99% for teenage attention whores who will grow up to be gay, straight, trans or bi. Those categories literally cover everything in the human gender/sexuality spectrum. No need for 400 ways to describe not being a white bread eating, God fearing, missionary only sex straight person.

The core issue is that other people feel more free to express themselves. Now, I identify as gay and that label is more than enough for me. But I respect other people's decision that gay isn't the right label for them. At the end of the day it's just a label and not my entire personality.

Nobody can push my buttons in that regard. And that is what it's about: Trolls trying to push (your) buttons.

R138 YES! He looks like a troll doll.

[quote]TQIA+BLG

Uh huh. Do these idiots not even understand how a plus sign works?

Such a beautiful and stunning [ ]. Fill in the bracket yourself. I don't know what to call this person.