Can I be arrested for sleeping with a guy with Down syndrome?
So I met a family friend of a friend for the first time. He looks more normal than the average Downie but I could immediately tell something was a bit off when I first saw him. His speech is a bit slurred but understandable and he can articulate himself so it’s not like he’s just moaning and drooling everywhere.
Things happened and we ended up back at my place and I gave him a handjob. He wanted to suck me off but I started feeling guilty and made him stop. He made it very clear that he wanted it. I want it too but I don’t want to end up on a registry. He has a job and goes to school, but he has to live with his mother. I’m not sure if this is enough mental capacity to consent...
|by Anonymous||reply 114||Last Sunday at 8:37 AM|
Strangely, this is not a question we’ve ever been asked to ponder before now.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||06/27/2020|
If he's over the age of consent I can't imagine there's anything illegal about it. But ethically I think you're on shaky ground. Get your libido under control and pass on this one.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||06/27/2020|
Growing up some teenage whore in our neighborhood fucked a mentally retarded man because he had a big dick apparently. She said she got pregnant and had an abortion.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||06/27/2020|
I haven't watched it yet, but isn't the premise of that Netflix series Special that differently-abled people are sexual beings as well?
|by Anonymous||reply 8||06/27/2020|
Growing up some teenage whore in our trailer park fucked a mentally retarded man because he had a big dick apparently. She said she got pregnant and had an abortion.
Fixed that for ya.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||06/27/2020|
Wasn't there an early Mel Gibson film with this plot (he played the retard)?
|by Anonymous||reply 11||06/27/2020|
You probably should be arrested.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||06/27/2020|
[quote]If he's over the age of consent I can't imagine there's anything illegal about it. But ethically I think you're on shaky ground. Get your libido under control and pass on this one.
This is literally the exact advice to get you arrested.
Consent requires mental capacity to consent. If the IQ is low enough, there isn't capacity to consent.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||06/27/2020|
There was a SUPER sexy Downs guy in Now Apocalypse. That was the first time I've ever even thought about possibly having sex with one. He was a Hollywood version of a Downs man, though, since he was the most beautiful Downs man I've ever seen.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||06/27/2020|
Is your sexy Downie named Joel, OP?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||06/27/2020|
You better get Gloria Allred on retainer before Forrest does. And if Mama's a Karen... whoooo doggie.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||06/27/2020|
It’s fine. You’ve actually done a good deed. They have sexual desires also. He probably doesn’t get laid very often.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||06/27/2020|
R11: "Tim" with Piper Laurie
|by Anonymous||reply 19||06/27/2020|
Dick you used to jerk it to Life Goes on op?
|by Anonymous||reply 20||06/27/2020|
If he is able tocommunicate clearly, work and ask for a hand job then he is likely to have the capacity to consent. It would actually be discriminatory for people to state he couldn’t engage in sexual activity. I would however be making sure that clear conversation takes place before any activity so explicit consent is given and received.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||06/27/2020|
r14 But assuming everyone with down syndrome is helpless and low IQ is ableist my dear
|by Anonymous||reply 22||06/27/2020|
I wonder if his parents have gone through surrogates court to be declared his legal guardian. If so they have control over giving consent. If he has not been legally determined to be disabled or incompetent, then he probably still has the right to make his own decisions.
And why should his parents object to him having some sex, anyway. Especially if he's not going to get anyone pregnant.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||06/27/2020|
This thread is useless without pictures.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||06/27/2020|
Hmm, I just googled it and the guy in Now Apocalypse, RJ Mitte, does not have Down's syndrome but Cerebral Palsy. I didn't even know he was a regular in Breaking Bad appearing in 62 episodes.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||06/27/2020|
R14, what exactly is the IQ capacity that’s considered too low to consent? He seems smarter than the image of Down syndrome that I typically have in mind, but the fact that he has to live with mother makes me hesitant. Clearly he’s delayed to a point
|by Anonymous||reply 26||06/27/2020|
Ask him to sign a release that your sexual relations were agreed to by both parties. How old is this chap?
|by Anonymous||reply 27||06/27/2020|
It’s a really interesting ethical question, OP, and there’s a lot of research and information on people with cognitive disabilities and sexuality. Obviously People with disabilities have a higher incidence of abuse and being taken advantage of, but they are sexual beings like all adults and have a right to sexuality. The problem is that we don’t have access to capacity evaluations to people we meet in life who could have a disability. But if he expressed clear desire and initiated, I wouldn’t think it’s totally wrong of you to have engaged. As you less-than-eloquently expressed, it sounds like he was on the more alert and oriented end of a cognitive disability spectrum. The main concern with people with disabilities is that they may or may not be able to make informed consent regarding specific acts/associated risks, and they also may not be empowered to know that they have control of what does and doesn’t happen to their body— thus the high risk of being abused. The long story short is that I wouldn’t eat yourself up with worry over it, but you did the right thing listening to your gut and stopping. I wouldn’t get myself into the same situation again if I were you; while each scenario should be looked at through a unique lens, it could get very messy.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||06/27/2020|
R5 you don’t seem too sure about that
|by Anonymous||reply 29||06/27/2020|
"He has a job and goes to school, but he has to live with his mother. I’m not sure if this is enough mental capacity to consent..."
Not to put too fine a point on it, OP, but you're concerned about his capacity for consent and yet don't have any thoughts about how good he is at keeping secrets from Mom?
|by Anonymous||reply 30||06/27/2020|
I wouldn't get near the dilemma. His family could make you miserable for the rest of your life.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||06/27/2020|
Mel Gibson looks hot in R19. He wouldn't let us get near his junk. Unless, of course, if conditions are met....
|by Anonymous||reply 32||06/27/2020|
Did you plan to bottom for him
|by Anonymous||reply 33||06/27/2020|
It’s akin to pedophilia imo
|by Anonymous||reply 35||06/27/2020|
It's not likely he's been legally deemed incompetent, but that's usually for financial purposes anyway. One thing I can tell you from my time working with people who have cognitive disabilities is that they are likely to tell everyone and anyone if someone gave them a handie. If you're not bullshitting, OP, it's something to be aware of.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||06/27/2020|
Go ahead, but NO SURPRISE ANAL.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||06/27/2020|
I know the pandemic has narrowed all our horizons, OP, but there are still other ways to get a date...
|by Anonymous||reply 39||06/27/2020|
6/10. Clearly not in the same league as the DL hall-of-fame entrants such as the hobo sex scenario and its legendary juice box detail, but nevertheless titillating and mildly shocking. There should've been a more vivid account of the hand job. (I'd like to have read some reference to the noise he made on cumming.)
Keep trying and aiming high, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||06/27/2020|
[quote][R14], what exactly is the IQ capacity that’s considered too low to consent? He seems smarter than the image of Down syndrome that I typically have in mind, but the fact that he has to live with mother makes me hesitant.
As far as I know, there isn't a bright line in the sand. One of the key arguments is that acquiescence does not equal consent.
Also, apparently there are also some situations where your IQ matters as well. If you're 100 (average) and have sex with someone who has a 70, it might be a problem. Whereas, if you had an IQ of 80 and have sex with someone with 70, it wouldn't necessarily be a problem. Part of the issue is whether the low IQ would be noticeable to the other person. So, an average person would notice slower speech and such, but a lower than average person might not - or so the argument goes.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||06/27/2020|
R43, oh woh, BTW, he's also R2 and says to himself: "So you molested him ".
A troll. A homophobic one?
|by Anonymous||reply 44||06/27/2020|
Also could someone show an example of a “hot Down’s syndrome guy” I mean they all have the same look to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||06/27/2020|
[quote] If the IQ is low enough, there isn't capacity to consent.
If the guy is going to school and holding down a job I would think he's smart enough to know if he wants some sex from another man.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||06/27/2020|
Aren't Downs people super horny and sexual, too?
|by Anonymous||reply 47||06/27/2020|
R45 this bitch, apparently some men find her “hot”
|by Anonymous||reply 49||06/27/2020|
OP, you asked about getting arrested. Sure, you can get arrested for this. There's plenty here to support an arrest. You will be at the whim of the arresting officer on that. And then you'll be in the system.
Maybe your attorney will be able to get the arrest tossed out. Maybe the judge will decide that if the guy can hold a job, he's got sufficient capacity to consent to sex. Or maybe not. But you didn't tell us where you live and criminal law is mostly a state matter. I hope you're not in Alabama or Mississippi or South Carolina. Things could get messy for you.
If the judge does not toss the arrest, then you're sent before the Grand Jury. Will 12 straight people vote to charge a homo who had sex with a young man with Downs Syndrome? It seems pretty clear that they might well do that. And then you have to go to trial.
At trial, after evidence is presented, will 12 more straight people believe the young man lacked the ability to consent and so convict you ? Who knows? But, hell yes, they certainly might.
Don't forget that you're probably going to have his mother gunning for you at every step of this process.
Date someone else, OP. Date someone else.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||06/27/2020|
An acquaintance of mine from NYC did just this. He went to prison.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||06/27/2020|
There is a question of mental capacity and consent. If the person in question does not have a legal guardian then they are fully capable of giving consent. If he lives with a parent or guardian it is possible you could be breaking the law.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||06/27/2020|
You better hope to hell that tard isn't telling the whole town by now, OP
|by Anonymous||reply 54||06/27/2020|
The poor Downie asked to suck OP's cock and OP said no because he wasn't sure the Downie had enough sense! LMAO! You hurt that poor little bitch's feelings you bastard!
|by Anonymous||reply 55||06/27/2020|
Why didn't you just have him call his mom and ask for permission?
|by Anonymous||reply 56||06/27/2020|
The dude in the pic at r41 looks like a growed-up Eric Cartman.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||06/27/2020|
OP, did you jerk him off to completion? Did he cum normally? Why didn't you swallow it--afraid the flavor would be off?
|by Anonymous||reply 58||06/27/2020|
He didn’t want to catch it r58
|by Anonymous||reply 59||06/27/2020|
So what's his o-face look like? I'm finding it really hard to imagine a Down's guy coming in a way that isn't pretty horrifying.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||06/27/2020|
You're going to Hell, Missy!
|by Anonymous||reply 61||06/27/2020|
[quote]Can I be arrested for sleeping with a guy with Down syndrome?
Rose, I'm not getting a clear picture on that...
|by Anonymous||reply 62||06/27/2020|
Is it akin to fooling around with a guy passed out at a bathhouse ? I mean, if he's at the bathhouse he's consenting, right?
|by Anonymous||reply 63||06/27/2020|
Isn’t there Intellectual Disability porn? There’s a thread about it here.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||06/27/2020|
Every mother of retard know, son can have sex urgings. When not in cage, Mother must watch Son more closely. This Mother is not very Best.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||06/27/2020|
All downs syndrome moms are Karen's. Hope you dodge this bullet.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||06/27/2020|
R60 you're terrible, Muriel
|by Anonymous||reply 67||06/27/2020|
Did he exclaim “now dats da handjob!”?
|by Anonymous||reply 68||06/27/2020|
What a retarded question.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||06/27/2020|
Oh, super. An Extremely Suspicious Tale from a faux fucker.
I could never go for a Downy, but I have had sex with simple-but-gorgeous young men who lacked outlets with narrow-minded women. I think of it as an outreach effort for mainstreaming. I love when they giggle and then get very serious, like they've just realized the secret of life was there all the time.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||06/27/2020|
Thanks for the heads-up, R43. Verified + F&F for OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||06/27/2020|
R62 Five stars. An instant DL classic.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||06/27/2020|
I dated a guy in Pittsburgh and went to his house once. While we were chatting in the kitchen, a young man came to the door and started yakking away and gesturing. I could tell he was 'special' but not severely so. My host kept saying "No!" through the window and the fella eventually gave-up and went away.
But the realization came over me that they had a little arrangement.
Everyone I met in Pittsburgh was some kind of grotesque.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||06/27/2020|
R19, Colleen McColough, the author of the Thorn Birds, wrote the book Tim which was later made into a movie with Gibson. The book is light years better than the movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||06/27/2020|
Even Claire Bloom managed to say no to Cliff Robertson.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||06/27/2020|
This is a first in 20 years of reading the datalounge
|by Anonymous||reply 78||06/27/2020|
I’ve gotten fucked by fobs, sociopaths and even poor guys but never have I lain with a retard.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||06/27/2020|
You Can Tell she's retarded, just look at her face. She has the face of an old lady
|by Anonymous||reply 81||06/27/2020|
You'll be fine OP. It was illegal, and Jenna Dewan would have been in jail by now, wouldn't she?
|by Anonymous||reply 82||06/27/2020|
Sounds like a hot love affair for the ages OP!
|by Anonymous||reply 84||06/28/2020|
That was actually a cute movie r84
The sad thing is that Juliette Lewis didn't have to that much acting. She plays retards in all her films: Cape Fear, Kalifornia, Strange Days, Natural Born Killers (well in the beginning at least, before she meets Mickey Knox)
I just love her LIVID expression in the show Secrets and Lies (only watched it for hottie Ryan Phillipe)
|by Anonymous||reply 85||06/28/2020|
As sorta fucked up as this thread is, I appreciate the fact that we can still have it. I also laughed throughout, so...I'm probably fucked up too.
This is the kind of weird, male stoner shit that can lead to interesting conversations, but is increasingly frowned upon these days.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||06/29/2020|
You can fuck them but never sleep with them.
They will kill you while you sleep.
Drop him off at mom's home with an ice cream cone.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||06/30/2020|
[quote]This is a first in 20 years of reading the datalounge
Did you really miss the Dat's Da Suck Job thread?
There are many days when I wish I had missed the Dat's Da Suck Job thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||06/30/2020|
[quote]Drop him off at mom's home with an ice cream cone.
Just don't give him the ice cream cone in the car, because he'll probably drop it. They always do.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||06/30/2020|
[quote]There was a SUPER sexy Downs guy in Now Apocalypse. That was the first time I've ever even thought about possibly having sex with one. He was a Hollywood version of a Downs man, though, since he was the most beautiful Downs man I've ever seen.
I'm picturing a grown-up Arnie Grape.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||06/30/2020|
I know people probably think tards should experiment with each other sexually but are they even attracted to each other or do they all lust after Normies?
|by Anonymous||reply 92||06/30/2020|
[quote] I know people probably think tards should experiment with each other sexually but are they even attracted to each other or do they all lust after Normies?
You obviously never saw my critically-acclaimed show "Life Goes On". They fuck like rabbits with each other! And when they're not fucking they're masturbating constantly. You should've seen their dressing rooms (more like undressing rooms honestly).
|by Anonymous||reply 93||06/30/2020|
This thread has now me very concerned. Has anyone checked in on Jill to make sure she's still getting her periods? You know, where blood from inside her body comes outside through an opening between her legs?
|by Anonymous||reply 94||06/30/2020|
[quote]This thread has now me very concerned
Cookie Monster does a great Susan Collins impression!
|by Anonymous||reply 95||06/30/2020|
[quote] Any updates op?
Would it be more like “downdates”, OP. Amirite?
|by Anonymous||reply 97||07/05/2020|
Does a Tea-Party Republican count as a retart?
|by Anonymous||reply 98||07/05/2020|
r86 isn't that the truth? There was a kid in my high school who was special needs and I worked in the nurse's office senior year to get out of class. He would come to use the bathroom in the nurse's office and I had to watch him because he had a habit of pissing on things. His name was James. So the first time I have to go with him to the urinal he unzips and hauls out a fucking monster. Like no hard-on just wang and it had to be 7 inches and thick I mean it would put most hard-ons to shame. I always wondered what it looked like at full mast.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||07/07/2020|
In high school there was a downs girl who desired sex with normal boys. She talked about it constantly and how she wanted to be a star. She was severely downs so it wasn’t happening. She used to pick at her pimples in glass and eat the skin *shivers*
|by Anonymous||reply 100||07/07/2020|
If you're just sleeping, no.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||Last Saturday at 5:54 PM|
So op have you and downs guy gotten into the difficult brown yet?
|by Anonymous||reply 103||Last Saturday at 7:30 PM|
Did any of the chicks who fucked Corky from Life Goes On get arrested?
Enjoy your downsy sizemeat, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||Last Saturday at 8:24 PM|
Chicks fucked Corky in Life Goes on?
|by Anonymous||reply 105||Last Saturday at 8:40 PM|
I'm sure someone fucked Corky at some point.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||Last Saturday at 8:42 PM|
[quote] Chicks fucked Corky in Life Goes on? —Gross and unrealistic
Okay. Yes. I admit it. It was indeed gross but all too realistic. Too realistic, but sometimes a gal needs some tardive Corky cock.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||Last Saturday at 8:44 PM|
You'd have to register in the National Down Sex Offender Registry.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||Last Sunday at 6:42 AM|
Bonnie Mace finger fucked Chris Burke behind a dumpster at a 7-11.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||Last Sunday at 6:57 AM|
There's a guy at work who is on the Spectrum. We were told about it up front when he started a few months ago. He's fairly bright, but he talks really loud in a monotone and will walk away in the middle of a conversation.
Anyway, he's about 6' 3" and not bad looking, and I sometimes wonder how easy it would be to get his weiner in my mouth.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||Last Sunday at 7:13 AM|
OP should be arrested for telling a dull story.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||Last Sunday at 7:20 AM|
R110 Would it be an issue at work were you to succeed and then, over coffee the next day, he then talked really loud in that monotone about the terrific blowjob you gave him the night before?
[italic]"...AND THEN HE SWALLOWED MY PENIS..."[italic]
|by Anonymous||reply 112||Last Sunday at 8:18 AM|
I actually think it's a totally stand up thing for the OP to ask this question.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||Last Sunday at 8:20 AM|
The movie at R84 was very cute. And it was also pro-gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||Last Sunday at 8:37 AM|