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The Global Divide on Homosexuality Persists

Looks like America is in the low 70s, not bad. I'm sure acceptance is much higher in the coastal regions and upper midwest. America's acceptance level has increased from 51% to 72% in 17 years (since 2002).

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by Anonymousreply 6006/30/2020

P(h)ew, I'm glad to be in one of the 86% countries.

by Anonymousreply 106/27/2020

R1, I know Tunisia is regarded as progressive for a Northern African/Middle Eastern country (it is possibly the biggest success story of the Arab Spring) but 9% approval for homosexuality is grim. At the same time, I'm sure many "straight" men there have no issues having sex with men behind closed doors as long as they aren't actually called gay.

by Anonymousreply 206/27/2020

You think that acceptance in the low 70s is not bad, OP? That's a terrible number for the supposed greatest country in the world.

by Anonymousreply 306/27/2020

Someone here said Generation Z are more homophobic and sex-negative than Millennials, but I didn't believe it.

by Anonymousreply 406/27/2020

R3, no, it's not bad. Especially when you consider the numbers will be much higher for those of us who live in the Upper Midwest and coastal areas.

by Anonymousreply 506/27/2020

Yes, R5, it is bad. I don't care how you try and spin it, it's not a good number and is low compared to the rest of the Western world.

by Anonymousreply 606/27/2020

R2, the statistics are also somewhat confounded by the collectivist nature of cultures which will influence how people answer in polls. Sexual liberty has also something to do with the value a society puts on individual freedoms.

As you point out, Tunisians will reject homosexuality openly (likely because their imam says it's wrong) but that doesn't mean that some of the don't like to fuck a man in the ass on the DL. I guess, in Asia, homosexuality is sometimes considered selfish ('rocking the boat', so to speak), so people will disapprove of it.

by Anonymousreply 706/27/2020

Though it’s interesting to see how pro-gay younger generations are in strongly social cohesion focused Japan and South Korea.

by Anonymousreply 806/27/2020

You can’t get 70 percent of American to agree on anything so this is a good thing.

by Anonymousreply 906/27/2020

R7, good points. That's the strange thing about developing countries, being on the DL is accepted and is considered totally fine. Just don't announce yourself as gay.

by Anonymousreply 1006/27/2020

R8, that's true, but I suspect that both these countries have gotten more individualistic over the decades. I certainly noticed a trend of younger people trying to break out from their social constraints whenever I visited Japan.

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by Anonymousreply 1106/27/2020

Canada is a lot more accepting. I'm not surprised.

by Anonymousreply 1206/27/2020

R3 Many people here think Spain is a third world country, yet acceptance there is at 89 % almost 20 % higher than the US.

by Anonymousreply 1306/27/2020

The US scores 65-70 on other progressive issues like environment, women, etc. So not surprising.

by Anonymousreply 1406/27/2020

72% for America is embarrassing, it is the lowest out of all the western nations polled.

by Anonymousreply 1506/27/2020

Canadians Boomers are pro-gay in a way that American ones aren’t.

by Anonymousreply 1606/27/2020

Exactly, R15. More American winning I suppose.

by Anonymousreply 1706/27/2020

R15 - but the US has the highest among the countries with the largest populations.

You can't compare a country as big as US with over 300 million people to Sweden with its 10 million.

The size and vast numbers create a lot of room for dissenting opinions. And no, Canada and Australia aren't comparable - they too have tiny populations.

You can't expect a country the size and pop of US to have 90+ percent. That's unrealistic. It's doing pretty fucking good with 70+ %.

by Anonymousreply 1806/27/2020

R10

They’re developing nations. The US was like that all around several years ago too, and still is in many places in the US.

by Anonymousreply 1906/27/2020

Spin, spin, spin, R18.

by Anonymousreply 2006/27/2020

I don't find that argument compelling r18.

Percentages are not biased by population size, it is based on the percent of your population.

by Anonymousreply 2106/27/2020

Russia at 14%! Fuck those filthy Russian pigs

by Anonymousreply 2206/27/2020

Americans blame everything bad about their country on its large population size.

Can't have universal healthcare? It's the population that is too big. Now they can't be too pro-gay, either, because there are too many of them.

They have a jingoistic tendency to blame their shortcomings on being too big, too powerful, too exceptional compared to other countries.

by Anonymousreply 2306/27/2020

Russia's numbers are pathetic. I don't know why any sane gay person could ever travel to that shithole.

by Anonymousreply 2406/27/2020

[quote] but the US has the highest among the countries with the largest populations.

I don't think it's a product of the US having a large population. Rather, it's a product of having regions like the south and the heartland/plains states. I don't think the other western countries have an equivalence to that. Yes, they all have rural and more conservative areas, but they just don't have the same dominance that the south/plains states do.

by Anonymousreply 2506/27/2020

Israel’s is pretty bad too. And certain gays on here just love to defend Israel.

by Anonymousreply 2606/27/2020

[quote] Many people here think Spain is a third world country

Anyone that thinks Spain is a third-world country has never actually been to a third-world country.

by Anonymousreply 2706/27/2020

It would be interesting to determine the correlation between religiosity and the acceptance of homosexuality. I suspect that it has something to do with the US low percentage compared to the rest of the Western world.

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by Anonymousreply 2806/27/2020

R18 thinks that people in countries such as Canada, Australia, and Sweden are a monolith and R25 knows nothing about other countries.

No, R18 and R25, not every Canadian lives in Toronto or another major city. 19% of Canadians live in rural areas, compared to 19.3% of Americans. People living in rural Saskatchewan are as different from people in downtown Montreal or Toronto as people from rural Arkansas are from those in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 2906/27/2020

R28, yes. I've said it elsewhere but America was actually more socially progressive than other western countries until the second great awakening happened. It happened two hundred years ago but it has fucked up our country even now.

by Anonymousreply 3006/27/2020

All the men in Spain sound like Donald Duck R27

by Anonymousreply 3106/27/2020

[quote] 19% of Canadians live in rural areas, compared to 19.3% of Americans. People living in rural Saskatchewan are as different from people in downtown Montreal or Toronto as people from rural Arkansas are from those in NYC.

The south and plains aren't completely rural--that in itself is not the issue . They are just entire regions with just drastically different views. It's hard to explain. Even in the cities, there is this air of conservatism.

by Anonymousreply 3206/27/2020

Inconveniently for Log Cabinettes, two of the European countries with the highest proportion of Muslim immigrants - Sweden and the Netherlands - also have the highest gay acceptance rates on the continent.

by Anonymousreply 3306/27/2020

And Hungary - which allows virtually no non-European immigration, Muslim or otherwise - is at a dismal 49% (and falling fast).

by Anonymousreply 3406/27/2020

Very little data from Africa because the poll takers who asked the question were all killed.

by Anonymousreply 3506/27/2020

Ukraine is at only 14. Same as Russia.

by Anonymousreply 3606/27/2020

I'm not surprised that the Czech Republic is the only former Iron Curtain country with a decidely higher rate of acceptance for gay people in that region.

by Anonymousreply 3706/27/2020

R32, it's no different in Canada and you're showing your ignorance. by thinking that other countries don't have regional differences aside from the usual rural/urban divide.

Cities in Alberta and Saskatchewan are far more conservative than cities in other provinces because that part of the Prairies is generally far more conservative than other places in Canada as a whole.

The difference is that even most rural Canadians, even those in conservative areas don't care if someone is gay. Canada's had marriage equity since 2005, so now, most people, aside from the extreme hard core right wingers don't care anymore.

by Anonymousreply 3806/27/2020

Again...it's not just the rural/urban divide. The difference is that Canada's closest equivalent of the American/Southern plains mentality--Alberta--is a much smaller proportion of the population than the American South/plains states are. New England has a large rural population but even the rural population is very liberal.

by Anonymousreply 3906/27/2020

R39, the difference is that Canada has always been far more socially progressive than the US on any given matter, including gay rights. Workers rights, unions, pensions, benefits, sick leave, disability issues, public education, affordable post secondary education, maternity leave, social safety nets, and health care are all examples of where countries like Canada are far ahead of the US. I've lived in Alberta, and though it's very conservative, it's not as conservative on most social issues as Americans can be.

You guys need to stop making excuses for the state your country is in and do something about it. Despite what you've been told since birth, you're not all that exceptional. 72% is an abysmal number for a country which considers itself to be the leader of the free world etc, etc., etc...

by Anonymousreply 4006/27/2020

[quote] You guys need to stop making excuses for the state your country is in and do something about it.

We are. Thanks for your concern though.

[quote]Despite what you've been told since birth, you're not all that exceptional.

Oh wow, that hurts, thanks Canada!

by Anonymousreply 4106/27/2020

Why is Russia so much worse than the rest of Europe?

by Anonymousreply 4206/27/2020

R42, because Russia has always been so much worse than the rest of Europe. Always. It's a serfdom country.

by Anonymousreply 4306/27/2020

Is Canada really less individualist than the UK?

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by Anonymousreply 4406/27/2020

Over in eastern Asia, the Philippines is at 73%, just one point above the US, which is good considering that it is a Roman Catholic-majority, developing world country, and a very pious one at that. Japan at 68%, okay, but not good for a developed, industrialized country. Neither is 44% for South Korea. India at 37% is not surprising. And worse is Muslim majority Indonesia at a dismal 9%.

by Anonymousreply 4506/27/2020

Enjoy your shithole, R41.

by Anonymousreply 4606/27/2020

[quote] Enjoy your shithole

Enjoy being a defensive and thin-skinned Canadian.

by Anonymousreply 4706/27/2020

[quote]Over in eastern Asia, the Philippines is at 73%, just one point above the US, which is good considering that it is a Roman Catholic-majority, developing world country, and a very pious one at that. Japan at 68%, okay, but not good for a developed, industrialized country.

Japan is surprisingly low, considering the huge volume of gay porn they produce. And the literally thousands of guys who seem to be willing to appear in it.

by Anonymousreply 4806/27/2020

R20 - well, compare against China, India, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nigeria, Brazil, Bangladesh, Russia and Mexico. That's the top 10.

We're leading the way. So what if we have 15-20% of the population who are small-minded and provincial.

by Anonymousreply 4906/27/2020

How on earth do you figure the US is leading the way, R49? It's not 15-20% of people that are small minded, it's 28% - a huge difference. Why are you content to compare the US to third world and developing nations instead of first world countries in the west? Being better than Pakistan, Nigeria, or Russia in acceptance of gays is hardly an accomplishment.

by Anonymousreply 5006/27/2020

Canada has such a tiny population -- fewer people than California. Comparing Canada vs. California is more of an apt comparison, considering the discrepancy in population of the US and Canada.

by Anonymousreply 5106/27/2020

57% of Canada live in the Quebec to Windsor corridor. Only about 15% of Americans live in the Northeastern Megalopolis. I'm sure if the Northeast Megalopolis constituted 60% of the population, the approval percentage would be much higher.

by Anonymousreply 5206/27/2020

Also, one-third of Canada lives in Ontario. It would be like if one-third of Americans lived in California or New York.

by Anonymousreply 5306/27/2020

R30 what is "the second great awakening happened.

Also can we stop talking about Canada. Bo-ring.

by Anonymousreply 5406/28/2020

R54, the Second Great Awakening is something that happened in the early 19th century. Prior to that, Americans were becoming less and less religious. It was a reaction to what was perceived as secularism going too far, the perceived failures of the Englightenment, the extremism of the French Revolution, etc. Hardcore evangelical Christianity became widespread in America and people became far more religious. As the people became more religious, so did the laws. Did you know New York State was the first one to institute harsh regulations on abortion? Prior to that, American abortion laws followed the tradiition of English law--any abortion prior to the "quickening" was considered perfectly fine. Apparently by the middle of the 19th century, 20% of pregnancies were being aborted. And it caused even pretty secular people to freak out

by Anonymousreply 5506/28/2020

Thank you r55

by Anonymousreply 5606/28/2020

R48 hahahahaha we don’t care. The obaasans can clutch and clack away!

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by Anonymousreply 5706/30/2020

R13 Barca alone is teeming with gay men. And that’s just the football club.

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by Anonymousreply 5806/30/2020

Notably absent in the comparative list are muslim-majority countries (there are 57 of them). I wonder why?

by Anonymousreply 5906/30/2020

R59, go look at R35 - there's your answer

by Anonymousreply 6006/30/2020
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