Real Italians like that man are not white.
Someone needs to remind Italians they aren’t white
|by Anonymous||reply 246||07/14/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 1||06/26/2020|
Yes they are. Some Sicilians may have some Moor blood from a long time ago, but they are white.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||06/26/2020|
They aren’t white
|by Anonymous||reply 3||06/26/2020|
Check out the bulge on the masked guy in the black shirt. He's totally having a semi!
|by Anonymous||reply 4||06/26/2020|
Garibaldi didn't unite Italy, he divided Africa.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||06/26/2020|
Papists and Fenians really need to stop hanging around WASP only bathouses.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||06/26/2020|
Fucking mongrels trying to act superior.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||06/26/2020|
Italians are white.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||06/26/2020|
Some are, R8.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||06/26/2020|
Someone also needs to remind them black people were here long before them and when they got here they were placed in concentration camps, lynched etc. also. How they’ve forgotten.
It’s scary how many of them proclaim “Italian” (they aren’t Italians) but don’t know any of the real Italian American history.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||06/26/2020|
R10, of they know, but trying to forget by pretending they are better than others.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||06/26/2020|
[R10], oh they know, but trying to forget by pretending they are better than others.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||06/26/2020|
A lot think they're better than whites. Superiority complex.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||06/26/2020|
There is nothing more entertaining than the whole Who's really White debate. It brings it all together, the complete arbitrariness of the whole silly thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||06/26/2020|
R13 : So they think they're upgraded whites?
|by Anonymous||reply 15||06/26/2020|
What are they bitching about?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||06/26/2020|
How quickly they forget.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||06/26/2020|
R17 yup. They were brown. They used to look like what Mexicans look like. They didn’t start looking white until they started mixing with legitimate whites.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||06/26/2020|
There's this thing called a "tan".
|by Anonymous||reply 19||06/26/2020|
Italians are genetically related to all other Europeans. There’s very little admixture,-especially northern Italians- with North Africans.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||06/26/2020|
Well, since you brought it up - why do some Italians have nappy hair?
John Turturro, for example
|by Anonymous||reply 21||06/26/2020|
Are Greeks white?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||06/26/2020|
White Italians are white.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||06/26/2020|
Southern Italians and Sicilians were euphemistically said to have an "olive-complexion"
|by Anonymous||reply 24||06/26/2020|
What about Arabs? They're hawt!
|by Anonymous||reply 25||06/26/2020|
Italians were Middle Eastern and did have black DNA
|by Anonymous||reply 26||06/26/2020|
stupid thread. FF.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||06/26/2020|
Watching that video, you Americans are fucking crazy, both sides, the BLM and those idiots.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||06/26/2020|
If I have to read a genealogy print out to kill you without conscience, you’re white.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||06/26/2020|
[quote] Southern Italians and Sicilians were euphemistically said to have an "olive-complexion"
We call that white.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||06/26/2020|
Americans have weird obsessions.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||06/26/2020|
Italians are NOT white. Maybe some very Northern Italians, but we true WASPs have to review that on a case by case basis. We are not just letting anyone in. The rule, before applying any creditable exceptions is that Italians are NOT white and, being Papists, are NOT Christian.
That's just how it is, but they get so uppity about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||06/26/2020|
The average IQ in that group couldn't be much more than 80.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||06/26/2020|
Are we talking Italians or Eye-talians?
|by Anonymous||reply 34||06/26/2020|
But R32, Christianity existed before Protestantism. They are the one who decided to secede from the Roman church, which was the center of Christiandom. Now, Christianity is formed of the Catholic church, the Protstant church and the Orthodox church.
That the WASPs love to shout :"You are not one of us !", ok, but let's not create alternative realities.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||06/26/2020|
Why are/were Italians thought of as nonwhite, while the same label was not put on Greeks?
Because of the close relationship and intermingling between Greeks ad Italians since ancient times, there is an expression in both countries called, in Italian: ”Una Faccia, Una Razza,” and in Greek: "μια φάτσα μια ράτσα" meaning One Face, One Race...meaning they are very similar in looks and genetics and have been throughout the ages.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||06/26/2020|
R34, as English is not my first language, I never got the nature of that ethnic slur ( is it a slur ? It is meant to be unpleasant, right ?)
Eye-talian ? Hoo !I mispronounce their nationality ! That will teach them !
Or is there something that went over my head ?
|by Anonymous||reply 37||06/26/2020|
Another perspective of in Italian: ”Una Faccia, Una Razza,” and in Greek: "μια φάτσα μια ράτσα"
One Face, One Race (it's a real thing):
The Hellenic Institute for Byzantine and Post-Byzantine Studies opened in Venice in 1951, providing for the study of Byzantine and Post-Byzantine history in Italy.
The Istituto Italiano di Cultura di Atene in Athens is responsible for promoting Italian culture in Greece.
In July 2014, an official artistic exhibition with the title "Italy – Greece: one face, one race" was inaugurated in Rome on the occasion of the passing of the EU Council Presidency from Greece to Italy. The title of the exhibition refers to a Greek saying, "μια φάτσα μια ράτσα" (mia fatsa mia ratsa, cf. Italian una faccia, una razza), often used in Greece to express the perception of close cultural affinities between Greeks and Italians.
Greeks have lived in southern Italy (Magna Grecia) for millennia, and today are called Griko. There are also Italians in Corfu.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||06/26/2020|
They are considered white today. But they weren't all considered white when they first started coming to the US. The southern Italians had much darker skin than the northern Italians. The darker Italians were treated like black folks as far as housing, schooling, attending public places, etc. They were often called "white N*****s" or "N***** wop".
|by Anonymous||reply 39||06/26/2020|
R38, this is really interesting, but I doubt OP is interested in similarities between Greeks and Romans (and modern Italians!) or by the caddie of Western civilisation.
OP seems to be part of one of the numerous American clans, at war with all the other factions. The one and out of which makes no sense for us.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||06/26/2020|
** craddle of civilisation, obviously.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||06/26/2020|
I'm very white and I don't understand why the part white people are so angry. It's weird.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||06/26/2020|
Italians were called the “niggers” of Europe
|by Anonymous||reply 43||06/26/2020|
All of these guys use “fag” but gladly jerk off to tranny porn.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||06/26/2020|
R39, then shouldn't the Wasps be guilttripped about how unwelcoming they were ? Somehow, these recurrent thread make it sound like Italian Americans should be ashamed for having been shabily welcomed.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||06/26/2020|
I don't think anyone posting here has actually ever been to Italy.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||06/26/2020|
Northern Italy - White
Everyone other part - Well, everyone else knows the deal except them. But let them have their silk hankies over lamps fantasies.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||06/26/2020|
True R46 or know Italian history. There are dark Italians and light Italians. There are white Italians and mixed Italians. People fuck-up when they try to put all Italians in the same box given the history in different parts of the country.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||06/26/2020|
The laughable article at R17 is written by Brent Staples an African American who gets it all wrong.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||06/26/2020|
This thread reads like something from 4chan.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||06/26/2020|
MAYBE the guys in this video DON’T think they’re white, and also just hate BLM and the communists surrounding them? Like Asians.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||06/26/2020|
What is happening in OP video ? What is the confrontation about ?
Yes, I'm the cluelss non American who posted a couple of question in this thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||06/26/2020|
How about DL fave NFL quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo?
|by Anonymous||reply 53||06/26/2020|
How about adjacent couples?
|by Anonymous||reply 54||06/26/2020|
Melissa Gorga before and after
|by Anonymous||reply 55||06/26/2020|
Johnny Cash's first wife, Vivien Cash - full-blood Sciscilian
|by Anonymous||reply 56||06/26/2020|
Muriel should add this thread to the FAQs.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||06/26/2020|
Nobody has seen the Walken/Hopper scene in True Romance (written by Tarantino....)?
|by Anonymous||reply 58||06/26/2020|
M U R I E L !!!!!!!! The cunt-faced "Italians-ain't-white" troll is backkkkkk from her virtual grave!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please re-bury her!!!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 59||06/26/2020|
Skip to the 06:30 mark in R58 vid - R58!!
|by Anonymous||reply 60||06/26/2020|
R59 is Italian?
|by Anonymous||reply 61||06/26/2020|
[quote]They were brown. They used to look like what Mexicans look like. They didn’t start looking white until they started mixing with legitimate whites.
The complete ignorance on DL is astounding sometimes.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||06/26/2020|
[quote]Italians were called the “niggers” of Europe
That was actually the Irish.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||06/26/2020|
When the wind blows the craddle will fall. Down will come R41, craddle and all.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||06/26/2020|
I forgot Gandolfini was in that movie too. A Tony Scott movie written by Tarantino wins the tasteless Olympics.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||06/26/2020|
I think a good metric for "whiteness" is that is somebody can't immediately identify you as white or has to ask, you are not white. Someone told me Persians consider themselves white and this is not the case. It's pretty basic.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||06/26/2020|
Nope. Middle Easterners are classified as CAUCASIAN!
Hindus/Indians are classified as ASIAN!
What about the poor Aborigines? No one EVER considers the classification of the Aborigines!
|by Anonymous||reply 67||06/26/2020|
[quote] Nope. Middle Easterners are classified as CAUCASIAN!
Countdown to the “They’re Caucasian but not white” post.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||06/26/2020|
They're Caucasian but not white. I don't think anyone would mistake Pratima and Mohammed as being late for the Oktoberfest across town.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||06/26/2020|
As R63 said it was about the Irish... But who'd say that ? I'm pretty sure the Swedes, the French, the Spaniards, people from Luxambourg, the Germans and the Russians didn't worry about Irish peop,e and bothered to callthemthat.
It seems like it could come from ... The English ? Hardly all of Europe ! Actually, they don't even want to be part of Europe !
|by Anonymous||reply 70||06/26/2020|
They’re Caucasian because Caucasian doesn’t actually mean WHITE
|by Anonymous||reply 71||06/26/2020|
Is Chris Meloni white?
|by Anonymous||reply 72||06/26/2020|
r69 Yes, Persians look like Europeans. Have you ever seen one? Doesn't sound like it.
There is local difference everywhere. There are more blue eyed Swedes than blue eyed Germans, there are more blue eyed Germans than blue eyed Italians, they are more blue eyed Italians that blue eyed Persians. Yet brown eyed white people are still white.
WASPs can be or have been racist to Italians all they want, you can be racist to anyone if you hold the power, but they can not change the race of the people of an age old nation on another continent by that, You ARE aware that Europe and Italy actually still exist, Americans?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||06/26/2020|
People from India are NOT MONGOLOID they are CAUCASOID.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||06/26/2020|
R49, Care to elaborate?
|by Anonymous||reply 75||06/26/2020|
[quote] They're Caucasian but not white.
[quote] They’re Caucasian because Caucasian doesn’t actually mean WHITE
Told you so.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||06/26/2020|
The world is not made of Two races. PS the old fuck in his 80s always using terms like “Caucasoid” and “Mongoloid”, those terms are outdated and that was proven bullshit years ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||06/26/2020|
Here goes an articles most Americans need to read. Caucasian does not actually mean white.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||06/26/2020|
And no, those brown Middle Eastern people are not “white”.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||06/26/2020|
[quote] People from India are NOT MONGOLOID they are CAUCASOID.
R74 = Dr. Eugene Icks, a protege or Dr. Mengele
|by Anonymous||reply 80||06/26/2020|
This white-adjacent thing is such horseshit. There are TONS of Northern Europeans/Britons/Irish who are swarthy. Tom Cullen is a good example - he's 100% Welsh and he could pass for a Spaniard.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||06/26/2020|
[quote] Why are/were Italians thought of as nonwhite, while the same label was not put on Greeks?
On DL Greeks are not white either.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||06/26/2020|
R81 because they are mixed
|by Anonymous||reply 83||06/26/2020|
Those people in the video aren't Italians. They are all Americans. Every single one of them.
Also - there are plenty of fair skinned, light eyed, blond Italians in Italy. Depends on the geographical location.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||06/26/2020|
[quote]Someone also needs to remind them black people were here long before them and when they got here they were placed in concentration camps, lynched etc. also. How they’ve forgotten.
Italians learned how to integrate into American society within a generation or two. Why haven't blacks who have been here for 400 years?
|by Anonymous||reply 85||06/26/2020|
Italians may be considered white now but racist Italian-Americans need to accept that WASPS used to discriminate against them too, and just maybe they can develop some empathy.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||06/26/2020|
Discriminate? They used to kill them!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 87||06/26/2020|
Half Italian (ethnically) and from Philly, and these guys are just embarrassing. They never left the city except to go "down the shore". They're still either living in the same house they grew up in or in the same neighborhood. They never amounted to much. They have chips on their shoulders. Seeing the city change before their very eyes so rapidly, especially demographically-speaking, is scary to them. The city's population is made up of African-Americans and hipster youth who have built the city up and now have strong political power. Houses go for over half a mil. These goombas are unable to progress with the world around them. They're clinging to whatever 'Identity" they have left.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||06/26/2020|
Anyway, I have to laugh that their precious Columbus statue is officially coming down.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||06/26/2020|
R88 while I agree with most you said, I hate when people knock people for staying in the town they were born in/grew up in. Nothing wrong with growing where you were planted.
I have more respect for someone like that than people who flock to cities they don’t even fit in.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||06/26/2020|
R85 - black people were slaves until 1865 when slavery was officially abolished. That was 155 years ago.
Then, various laws have actively worked to keep black people down for most of the last 155 years after that - segregation, suffrage, access to education, finance etc.
So that's hardly comparable to Italian immigrants is it?
|by Anonymous||reply 91||06/26/2020|
[quote]Then, various laws have actively worked to keep black people down for most of the last 155 years after that - segregation, suffrage, access to education, finance etc.
Blacks' insistence on committing endless violent crimes for the last 155 years has resulted in their being kept down. Yes, "homicide" is one of various laws that has kept black people down by their refusal to obey it.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||06/26/2020|
NO R92 and you know it you racist fuck!
|by Anonymous||reply 93||06/26/2020|
R92 is the perfect example of people who don’t know their own history or they would have more empathy.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||06/26/2020|
R91 In fact. There is no comparison. Zero.
In my family a first generation Italian cousin went to Yale, another became a judge. My first generation grandfather became solidly upper middle class by the 1950s and sent his kids to college.
Italians founded the Bank of America 1904. Doctors, architects, scientists, artists, businessmen....Enrico Fermi, Valentino, Caruso, the architect Candela, Antonio Meucci, Domingo Ghirardelli, Giuseppe Bellanca, Fiorello La Guardia was the mayor of NYC.....the list is long
Immigrants from Italy were coming from a country that gave us the Roman Empire, the Renaissance ...Italy gave the world great inventions, advances in science, medicine, art, exploration....the fucking COUNTRY is named after an Italian.
Italians have absolutely NOTHING in common with the plight of Blacks.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||06/26/2020|
[quote]I hate when people knock people for staying in the town they were born in/grew up in. Nothing wrong with growing where you were planted.
Except they have no interest the world outside of their own. That's the problem. They travel in myopic circles.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||06/26/2020|
R93, please view this thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||06/26/2020|
[quote]Except they have no interest the world outside of their own.
Old school Italian neighborhoods are fine with me.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||06/26/2020|
R97 and? Many people who live there say the cops started the shootouts but the media won’t cover it.
Who knows what is happening.
And using that is stupid because you don’t use white people who mass kill.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||06/26/2020|
R95- Fiorello LaGuardia was half Italian and half Jewish how the hell did he end up EPISCOPALIAN?
|by Anonymous||reply 100||06/26/2020|
Hey, with Greeks it is also fragmented and tribal. The fact is, if you're from the Macedonian region you're fair, and the scattered islands have a lot of Turkish and Middle eastern ancestors. As for Italy, the Arbs colonized Naples and remained there for more than 300 years. Hannibal Barca of Carthage in North Africa invade Italy and the Carthagenians stayed in the Italian Peninsula for a very long time. Ancient warfare and conquest, and the commerce on the Mediterranean meant a lot of mixing. Northern Italians mixed with Germanic Tribes, with Gauls, etc. and Southern italians mixed with Semitic people throughout the Mediterranean. Greeks too. And it happened over hundreds of years.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||06/26/2020|
[quote]Many people who live there say the cops started the shootouts
|by Anonymous||reply 102||06/26/2020|
[quote] the Arbs
I'd like to stay in one next time I'm in Italy.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||06/26/2020|
Apparently Leonardo DiCaprio, Madonna, Nicolas Cage, Bradley Cooper and Chris Evans are mixed race people according to DL. Let's not forget Meryl Streep in The Bridges of Madison County, one of the most grotesque examples of whitewashing in Hollywood.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||06/26/2020|
So Frank Sinatra was actually black?
|by Anonymous||reply 105||06/26/2020|
JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS NOT WHITE DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE BLACK.
That is part of the issue. We’ve gotten to a place where we think the world is made of white or black. That’s a lie b
|by Anonymous||reply 106||06/26/2020|
So Frank Sinatra was Arab?
|by Anonymous||reply 107||06/26/2020|
If italians aren't white because of distant north african ancestry, then scandinavians are also not white because of distant asian ancestry.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||06/26/2020|
Madonna is my favorite black artist.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||06/26/2020|
Why is this topic so recurrent on DL? It comes up every couple of months. I don't see it discussed elsewhere.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||06/26/2020|
Ariana has the classic olive complexion seen by true Italians, not fake Italians.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||06/26/2020|
Oh god now we have "fake" Italians and "true" Italians. DLers are batshit crazy.
WTF is it with Italians and this 'white adjacent' shit? The French can be dark or fair and nobody thinks they're anything but white.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||06/26/2020|
[quote] The French can be dark or fair and nobody thinks they're anything but white.
You must be new here.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||06/26/2020|
Ariana isn’t a real Italian. That tan is fake too.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||06/26/2020|
The French are notoriously non white.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||06/26/2020|
As far as Black entertainers go, Perry Como has always been my favorite.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||06/26/2020|
Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin opened a lot of doors for people of color in the entertainment industry. They were two of the first non-white artists to find mainstream acceptance.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||06/26/2020|
It was Hitler who called Italians "the mongrel race of Europe."
|by Anonymous||reply 118||06/26/2020|
R118 and millions followed.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||06/26/2020|
Raffaello, Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Titian, Tintoretto, Giovanni Bellini, Botticelli, Donatello, Piero della Francesca, Fra Angelico, Andrea Mantegna, Filippo Lippi, Caravaggio, Giotto, Puccini, Rossini, Monteverdi, Vivaldi...just to name a few....all mongrels!
|by Anonymous||reply 120||06/26/2020|
Hitler worshipped italians due to the Roman Empire.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||06/26/2020|
I'm half Italian. I had to fill out a form that asked for race. I was honestly confused. No European countries were called out, so I thought about checking "other" and writing in Italian, but in the end just checked white.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||06/26/2020|
They are white
|by Anonymous||reply 123||06/26/2020|
I'm Italian. From Catanzaro in the South. Well, I was born here and my parents were born here but my grand parents, great grand parents on both sides, and my great, great grand parents on both sides were all Italians. I have a true olive complexion and thick naturally curly hair. I had cousins who had nappy hair. Nappy RED hair. Vikings passed through the Italian peninsula in the area where our people came from. One of the cousins did research and said the area in ancient times was called "magna Greca. " There are ancient amphitheatres in the countryside that date back to the Greeks.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||06/26/2020|
[quote] but in the end just checked white.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||06/26/2020|
What should he have checked? African-American or Asian?
|by Anonymous||reply 126||06/26/2020|
I am 1/2 Italian on my dad’s side and agree with R88. I love my dad, but he and his South Philly friends are racist and homophobic (although he loves his boy - anyway). I had a really cool black roommate in college and be became best friends. I learned a lot from being his friend, traveling with him and meeting other black people. It really opened my mind from my racist upbringing. Then I moved to NYC and expanded my world even more. However, when I visit South Philly/my dad, I am reminded of the same small minded attitudes that haven’t changed a bit in 50 years. It is really sad and I can’t wait to leave again.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||06/26/2020|
This doesn't look like any white person I know...
|by Anonymous||reply 128||06/26/2020|
Does to me, r128.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||06/26/2020|
Does Alicia Vikander look white to you? She is much darker than the average italian.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||06/26/2020|
For the idiot at R128
|by Anonymous||reply 131||06/26/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 132||06/26/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 133||06/26/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 134||06/26/2020|
Italians and the Irish became so racist to try and take away from their own otherness.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||06/26/2020|
R135 Racists? The Italians didn't institute slavery. Or Jim Crow. Or red lining. Learn a little history.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||06/26/2020|
Were Annette Funicello and Frankie Avalon considered white? I would say so.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||06/26/2020|
ariana dolezal's tan is fake. she's pale as a ghost naturally.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||06/26/2020|
If OP Edwina thinks she is 54 percent white then what are italians??
|by Anonymous||reply 139||06/26/2020|
[quote]Were Annette Funicello and Frankie Avalon considered white?
I have heard that filming was difficult for them because it was hard to find beaches that accepted people of color.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||06/26/2020|
[quote]Why are/were Italians thought of as nonwhite, while the same label was not put on Greeks?
[quote]On DL Greeks are not white either.
Oh, okay. So I guess I'm not white. I'll let my father and grandmother know. They will be most interested . She'll pray for you at the Greek church this weekend. Then she'll put a hex on you, you white bastard.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||06/26/2020|
Annette Funicello kind of looked like Zira from Planet Of The Apes (1968) they both had the same SIMIAN hairdo.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||06/26/2020|
R136: Learn the definition of "racist"
|by Anonymous||reply 143||06/26/2020|
Italy was the most racist country I’ve ever been to. I was shocked. They don’t even hide it.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||06/26/2020|
WTF! People here are still putting all Italians (and Greeks) in the same box! Most are white. Some are mixed! Stop with the willful stupidity.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||06/26/2020|
R144: Italians are extremists. Either they LOVE you or they HATE you and very arrogant either way.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||06/26/2020|
im cuban of portuguese and spanish ancestry. acccording to acestry and 23andme i was supposed to be blond and blue eyed. however my hair is cery black and my eyes are brown. my father looks swedish and my mother is brunette. southern europeans can have a variety of skin tones fron pale to olive but their facial and bone structures are clearly europeans, only the unfuckable gingers in the USA think they are not white. yes , southern europeans are waaaayyyy hotter than those nasty looking english and germans.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||06/26/2020|
"Mama, am I black?"
"Well, Liza, I never thought about it before, but I guess you are."
|by Anonymous||reply 148||06/26/2020|
it is all envy what americans have always felt for italians cuz they know italians have an amazing cultural heritage. they would give an eye if they could to just be able to get out of shithole utah and spend one day of their miserable lives in wonderful italy.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||06/26/2020|
As a Swiss diplomat once said to me, "Everything south of Naples is Africa."
|by Anonymous||reply 150||06/26/2020|
Imagine willingly committing brain cells to determining the merits of any side of this argument. Really scraping the barrel. It’s so low energy.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||06/26/2020|
FWIW the Irish were also once considered non-white. Both the Irish and Italians are considered white by all now except freaks like OP. Jews and Latinos have had a similar journey. There are Black Jews and Latinos though. In Italy, there is a long term, significant north-south divide, which has racial overtones. Northerners will say “Rome is where Africa begins.” This was a common expression before the recent “migrant emergency.” The Northern League, which is now trying to go mainstream, has very racist roots, and advocated breaking away under the name “Padania.”
|by Anonymous||reply 152||06/26/2020|
I'm sorry but Italian Americans have almost zero in common with real Italians. They are like two different species.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||06/26/2020|
Unless you look like christopher moltisanti, I’m not sleeping with you. Guidos are racist, horrible creatures. That’s why NJ is such a shithole
|by Anonymous||reply 154||06/26/2020|
White people come in shades, just like Black folks. This is a race baiter thread, DL catnip.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||06/26/2020|
R153: "Real" Italians? Okay...bloodline don't count? In what ways - says you?
|by Anonymous||reply 156||06/26/2020|
R155 yep the OP fat race baiting troll Edwina is stiring the pot again.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||06/26/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 158||06/26/2020|
R150 You should have asked that Swiss Diplomat what art , culture, great music, cuisine, fashion, etc....the Swiss have ever produced,
|by Anonymous||reply 159||06/26/2020|
The Italians are very defensive of their consideration of being white or not. It is how big your dick is that really counts.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||06/26/2020|
It's 2020 and they still do not have the decorium to button up their shirts!
|by Anonymous||reply 161||06/26/2020|
Someone needs to inform the OP every race of people is comprised of various shades and hues.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||06/27/2020|
Only the Italians hung over 10” might not be completely white.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||06/27/2020|
Oh ffs, this old chestnut again?
Does Marcello Mastroianni not look white? Ballerina Carla Fracci (now one of the most beautiful 80 year old women I've ever seen)? You know how many blond Italians there are? Have you looked at statuary from Roman and medieval times? At Michelangeleo's David? Boticelli's Venus? Bellini's St. Francis in the Desert?
Southern Italy probably has a large dollop of North African DNA. DNA gets spread around, minimised with intermarriage, transmuted, changed, and either amplified or diminished in individuals as time goes on.
OP is a jackass stirring the pot. Probably the same git who insisted Antonio Banderas and all Spaniards aren't white, either, despite one look at the King and Queen of Spain and the plethora of tall blond Spaniards in Northwestern Spain.
Why is this bullshit always with us?!
|by Anonymous||reply 164||06/27/2020|
R155 - "This is a race baiter thread. . . ."
|by Anonymous||reply 165||06/27/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 166||06/27/2020|
R150, there's an English saying, obviously racist, "Africa begins at Calais". The French say "Africa begins at the Pyrenees. " It's an old European trope.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||06/27/2020|
It's not a Black White issue. There are groups of people who are semitic. Arabic. WTF ever you call them. And within countries there are regions and tribes that have different language, customs, culture, etc. Italians are Europeans. Swedes are Europeans. But they are miles apart in terms of physicality, culture temperament, traditions, etc.
I think sometimes what we don't know about the world is embarrassing, as Americans. You can go to Portugal, Spain, Greece, italy, and you will find significant regional differences even in the dialect they speak, the architecture, the cuisine, the customs. In Greece you can call them "racist" if you like, but the prejudice and the insularities go back to the times pre-dating Alexander the Great.
On the mainland in the Greek peninsula, the Macedonian region were the lighter complexioned ones. Even today, I remember my grandmother had an old neighbor who was very quick to tell us he was "Macedonian." There was a term not much in use today, called The Orient. It included Turkey, parts of Russia, parts of China. Further to the West, in the Mediterranean, lots of commerce, lots of mixing.
We keep hearing about these distinctions all the time: Persians aren't Arabs. They will be the first to tell you. Middle Eastern? Yes. Arabs, no. Macedonians aren't Greeks. Sicilians aren't "real" Italians. People from Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, aren't "Africans" they're Arabs.
It's a pain in the ass trying to keep up with the fact that in this reactionary age, with a resurgence of a new version of nationalism, the fragmentation of human society is exacerbated by refugee crises, and people insisting on claiming identity from the narrowest possible definition.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||06/27/2020|
[quote] Italians are Europeans. Swedes are Europeans. But they are miles apart in terms of physicality, culture temperament, traditions, etc.
They are miles apart, period. Europe is a real sliding scale from north to south (and a little more subtely west to east) when it comes to height, coloring, even culture, tradition and religion, just as much within nations as between nations. A naturally grown population must be consusing to Americans, so they cling to imaginary race clusters.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||06/27/2020|
For the people who get offended by this thread, I think it's just typical DL brand of off color un PC gallows humor to shed light on the systemic racism in the world. You either have fun with it or roll your eyes or keep moving. But on a side note, it is funny as shit the way Italian get all up in arms when you remind them about he whole Moors thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||06/27/2020|
We can all agree, regardless of race, Italian men have the nicest cocks, right?
|by Anonymous||reply 171||06/27/2020|
Geography plays a huge role in what evolves in a culture in order to survive. and outside influences affect everything from the evolving language, food, and adaptation of customs and traditions. YOu want to talk about evolving languages just look at the English Language itself.
I blame the Catholic Church for the ascendance and the promotion of racism and the whole notion of who is superior to whom. Religion has always been used as a weapon to oppress and subject one people to another.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||06/27/2020|
I think we need to define terms. OP, what is "white?" Because obviously it is a lot more than complexion, right? What is the standard against which you measure someone's conformity?
|by Anonymous||reply 173||06/27/2020|
I know this is in part a comedy-thread, but I think I now realise why the US has the reputation of being an unusually racist country. You never hear people from Northern Europe call into question whether Italians are white, not even when they’re hardcore neo-nazis.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||06/27/2020|
One thing is not up for debate: Santa Claus is a white man. He just is.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||06/27/2020|
[quote] he whole Moors thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||06/27/2020|
For example DL fave Anthony Recker, who is Italian despite his last name, is not white.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||06/27/2020|
R174 I grew up in the south. There were some race issues (mostly around interracial dating), but nothing crazy or out of hand. For the most part everyone got along. But the key was you were either black or you were white. It wasn't until I left the south that I realized there were all of these other categories of white people. It was quite the eye opener. I didn't meet a Jewish person until college and even then I didn't understand why everyone was so down on them.
I was fascinated the first time I went to the big city and there were these areas like Little Italy and Chinatown and this is where all the Russians live. I was so naïve. But it really a lesson in how America works. The key thing being they want to be better than and look down on American black people. Even some of the Africans that come here have issues with American black people. I just don't understand it.
|by Anonymous||reply 178||06/27/2020|
[quote[ I grew up in the south. There were some race issues (mostly around interracial dating), but nothing crazy or out of hand.
I work a lot in the South (specifically Texas) for my job, having been raised the UK and Northeastern United States. Racism is definitely crazy and out of hand. Perhaps it isn't compared to say 60 years ago, but it is still virulent. When I'm not around black people, the racism comes out, and when you react against it people become very agitated.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||06/27/2020|
[quote] I grew up in the south. There were some race issues (mostly around interracial dating), but nothing crazy or out of hand.
I work a lot in the South (specifically Texas) for my job, having been raised the UK and Northeastern United States. Racism is definitely crazy and out of hand. Perhaps it isn't compared to say 60 years ago, but it is still virulent. When I'm not around black people, the racism comes out, and when you react against it people become very agitated.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||06/27/2020|
Are Brad Pitt and Derek Hough white?
|by Anonymous||reply 181||06/27/2020|
The Italians in the Southwest were just called Mexican-Lite. In the Northeast and the South they were actually killed by lynching and other nefarious ways.
In America Italians were "upgraded" to white when Hispanics started moving out of the Sunbelt into the Northern parts of the country.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||06/27/2020|
[quote] The Italians in the Southwest were just called Mexican-Lite.
In California I believe many Italians are from Northern Italy.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||06/27/2020|
[quote]In California I believe many Italians are from Northern Italy.
That's why they were called Mexican-Lite. There is a reason why the Pachuco movement also spilled into the Italian neighborhoods.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||06/27/2020|
What's the "Pachuco movement"?
|by Anonymous||reply 185||06/27/2020|
When Mexicans started to dress like they came out of the Zoot riots. You know, like when Mexicans would get beat up by whites and blacks if they got out of their barrios... The navy would do drills in the barrios were they would practice by beating up Mexican men and Mexican women.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||06/27/2020|
Actually, r124, the Vikings, well Normans, did more than pass through Southern Italy. They owned the place for awhile. It's what makes all this whole thing so silly, the constant worry about race mixing when everyone's such a mutt. How many white people in the South really want to look deeply into their own purity?
|by Anonymous||reply 187||06/27/2020|
I know for a fact there's so much race mixing in Louisiana and Georgia it is hardly worth mentioning. It's only in the mountainous rural regions of north and south Georgia, and in the rural regions of LA that you get the extremists and the assholes. Of course Mississippi and Alabama are really bad as far as the racists go.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||06/27/2020|
Here come the "swarthy" people who have the inability to use the word DARK.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||06/27/2020|
R164, Never looked at Antonio Banderas and thought—yep, that's a white man! Lol.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||06/27/2020|
R164 - Welcome to DL, where a thread just like this erupted over (probably the OP of this one) insisting that Banderas wasn't white simply by virtue of being Spanish.
Frankly, I never looked at Banderas and thought he was anything but white - and scrumptious.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||06/27/2020|
[quote]In America Italians were "upgraded" to white when Hispanics started moving out of the Sunbelt into the Northern parts of the country.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||06/27/2020|
[quote]talians are Europeans. Swedes are Europeans. But they are miles apart
They sure are.
The Swedes haven't produced even a teeny tiny fraction of the culture the Italians have.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||06/27/2020|
Italians are Caucasian, therefore white.
Like Blacks, whites come in many hues. The skin range is from pale white to dark olive skin.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||06/27/2020|
The Irish might have been considered trash but they are probably the absolutely definition of white. Light hair, extremely white skin, blue eyes are their predominate traits.. I guess there are the dark Irish.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||06/27/2020|
R195 - They're called "Black Irish" with dark hair and dark eyes (eg. Colin Farrell).
|by Anonymous||reply 196||06/27/2020|
Anyone who dismisses the Italians as being of "various hues" misses the point. Southern Italians, (those south of Rome, not Naples) were more mixed with other civilizations because of colonization, because of commerce, etc. So the culture, the cuisine, the climate, the dialects, etc. everything was influenced by others. In the north you have other cultural influences from the landlocked tribes and cultures of northern and Central Europe. There was a time when Austria invaded a ruled northern italy, for example. But again. We use the term "white." very broadly and everyone seems to put their own spin on it. For me, "White" is a buzzword. It says "I subscribe to a mode of thought and a standard of behavior" I find abhorrent. I celebrate other cultures. They make like richer. But there are a lot of others who fear "outsiders" or anything that is different from their small, insular world.
|by Anonymous||reply 197||06/27/2020|
SOME are called Black Irish. Most Irish are white as white can be. It is hilarious how these things had to be "decided," no doubt after a lot of earnest investigation and scholarly bullshit.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||06/27/2020|
So who's the bitch that hates this Edwin so much? What's that shit about?
|by Anonymous||reply 199||06/27/2020|
[quote]For me, "White" is a buzzword. It says "I subscribe to a mode of thought and a standard of behavior" I find abhorrent.
Why do you find that abhorrent?
|by Anonymous||reply 200||06/27/2020|
Most Italian immigrants came to the US in the twentieth century, long after slavery was outlawed and they had nothing to do with how blacks were treated here. So, Italian-Americans are not going to be paying one cent of Reparations or whatever bullshit handouts are being demanded by blacks and Progressive politicians, especially if they're being told they aren't white.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||06/27/2020|
Because DOnald Trump and the people who support him...the millions who support him, appropriated it long ago and defined it in such a way as to be abhorrent to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 202||06/27/2020|
[quote]But there are a lot of others who fear "outsiders" or anything that is different from their small, insular world.
Italy is filled with walled cities just for that reason.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||06/27/2020|
[quote]Italy is filled with walled cities just for that reason.
Those walled cities date back to the MIddle Ages, and have nothing to do with racism.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||06/27/2020|
R204 You're wrong. They were built at their time to keep invaders out. And still today, Italians are suspicious of "the other". And that's not a criticism on my part BTW.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||06/27/2020|
[quote]And still today, Italians are suspicious of "the other".
Every group, everywhere on Earth, is suspicious of "the other".
|by Anonymous||reply 206||06/27/2020|
Well, if you had invaders who raped all your women and killed your men and took over the country you'd want to build walls to keep them out too.
|by Anonymous||reply 207||06/27/2020|
R207 You think native americans should have built walls back in the 1500s?
|by Anonymous||reply 208||06/27/2020|
R206 Agreed. I was responding to the idiotic post at R197
|by Anonymous||reply 209||06/27/2020|
And r208 is right on cue.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||06/27/2020|
EVERYONE built walls in the Middle Ages, and a lot in the Ancient World. Is this honestly supposed to be some big clue into the Italian character? Really?
|by Anonymous||reply 211||06/27/2020|
Race is a social construct.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||06/27/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 213||06/27/2020|
R211 Yes absolutely. It explains a lot about attitudes still to this day.
|by Anonymous||reply 214||06/27/2020|
no, it really doesn't r214.
|by Anonymous||reply 215||06/27/2020|
R215 Have you ever lived in a walled town?
I have in Italy for 3 decades. Do even speak Italian?
|by Anonymous||reply 216||06/27/2020|
jesus christ, bitch, you think living in a town with medieval walls tells you some big thing about yourself and your surrounding culture? Do you know York has walls? Do you know Quebec has walls? Do you honestly think this is some big thing that Italy invented and now everyone is stuck with living in walled cities and wondering when the Vikings are going to show up?
|by Anonymous||reply 217||06/27/2020|
[quote]you think living in a town with medieval walls tells you some big thing about yourself and your surrounding culture?
You bet it does.
R217 But you're an idiot. You truly don't get it. You know nothing about history and how attitudes are formed.
|by Anonymous||reply 218||06/27/2020|
fine, you are a medieval peasant, and that you will remain. Please plow the lower 40 with your ox. Thank you.
|by Anonymous||reply 219||06/27/2020|
R219 Is one of those clueless tourists who will go to Italy and explain the country to the natives.
|by Anonymous||reply 220||06/27/2020|
yes, that must be it r220. Unless you get that every Italian is still a medieval peasant you can't understand them. Clearly.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||06/27/2020|
I do happen to know something about history, so stop acting like a pissy little Troll.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||06/27/2020|
does this bitch look white to english people???!!! give me a break!
|by Anonymous||reply 223||06/27/2020|
well I do happen to know something about history too, so it's all good. The important thing is, who is white? IT is mystery.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||06/27/2020|
R201- YOU GO GIRL!
|by Anonymous||reply 225||06/27/2020|
We should just do a one-time massive redistribution of wealth. Wealth has been based primarily on bullshit for about 50 years now. Mix it up. Throw it around. Stop pretending it's some sacred thing, that there is some delicate balance where only the most talented and skillful and useful get money. We all know that's horseshit. Whatever you want to call it, reparations, stimulus, whatever the fuck, just start throwing the money around.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||06/27/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 227||06/28/2020|
Hey italians have you gotten it yet?? You are NOT white, because I said so!
|by Anonymous||reply 228||06/28/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 229||06/28/2020|
R198 - "They're called "Black Irish" with dark hair and dark eyes (eg. Colin Farrell)."
Don't forget Tyrone Power and Aidan Turner . . .
|by Anonymous||reply 230||06/29/2020|
"For me, "White" is a buzzword. It says "I subscribe to a mode of thought and a standard of behavior" I find abhorrent."
What mode of thought would that be? Shakespeare? Mozart? Albert Einstein? Charlotte Bronte? Mark Twain? The Tudors? The Kennedys? The Roosevelts? Jonas Salk? Robert Louis Stevenson? Evelyn Waugh? Yeats? Emily Dickinson? Jane Austen?
You don't deserve them.
|by Anonymous||reply 231||06/29/2020|
228 that guy does not belong to the mediterrenean caucasian race. he is clearly a mixed race hispanic
|by Anonymous||reply 232||06/29/2020|
R232 That thing in the purple is the OP of this thread Edwina. He says he is over 50 percent white!
|by Anonymous||reply 233||06/29/2020|
Italians get very defensive when you question their whiteness.
|by Anonymous||reply 234||07/01/2020|
Because they're white.
|by Anonymous||reply 235||07/01/2020|
[quote] Because they're white.
No. It’s because they’re insecure about not being white.
|by Anonymous||reply 236||07/01/2020|
R236 They’re secure in their knowledge that you’re an idiot.
|by Anonymous||reply 237||07/01/2020|
They think it's a huge offense to be called a non-white.
|by Anonymous||reply 238||07/02/2020|
R238 Why should someone accept being called a POC when they're not?
|by Anonymous||reply 239||07/02/2020|
R239, I'm not R238 but I think it's funny that they get so upset. Why do they care so much if it's not true?
|by Anonymous||reply 240||07/03/2020|
R240 Why do you care so much if it's not true?
|by Anonymous||reply 241||07/03/2020|
r240 I'm not r239 and I'm a nationality everyone counts as white, but I'm offended by the sheer American stupidity as well as the entitlement they decide who is what anywhere in the world. "Now that we made up a random hispanic race, no one can define by anything but language (and that that they're drug dealers and rapists of course) it suits our UScentric wordlview to decide that southern Europeans are also not white, although they are literally the infamous white people who colonized the entire world, including this very continent." It just hurts.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||07/03/2020|
That's one of the many reasons the article at R17 is so utterly dumb. "How Italians Became White"
Italians are white. They didn't become white. The US doesn't get to decide who is white and who is not.
The Euro press wasn't offended by those calling Antonio Banderas a POC during the Oscars. They were simply shocked at the stupidity.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||07/03/2020|
[quote]Italians were Middle Eastern and did have black DNA
National Geographic has done extensive DNA testing and concluded that only 3% of Sicilians and Calabrese Italians have "black" ancestry. Being Middle Eastern does not equate with black, and many other Europeans also have haplogroups that originated in North Africa. Moors didn't genetically mingle much while in Sicily and many of us have higher percentages of Ashkenazi DNA than "Middle Eastern."
The Normans also colonized southern Italy and Sicily for a while, but for some reason that's never mentioned in these threads. Northern Italians have high percentages of Swiss German DNA, which certain DLers like to pretend they don't know.
|by Anonymous||reply 244||07/13/2020|
I thought ‘Black Irish’ referred to Irish people with actual black ancestry like Phil Lynott from Thin Lizzy. Colin Farrell isn’t even remotely exotic looking. He looks like any other good ole boy from Texas.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||07/14/2020|
It means black hair, dangerously pale white skin & blue eyes 👀 (sometimes brown eyes).
|by Anonymous||reply 246||07/14/2020|