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Someone needs to remind Italians they aren’t white

Real Italians like that man are not white.

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by Anonymousreply 1Last Friday at 11:41 AM

Yes they are. Some Sicilians may have some Moor blood from a long time ago, but they are white.

by Anonymousreply 2Last Friday at 11:42 AM

They aren’t white

by Anonymousreply 3Last Friday at 11:43 AM

Check out the bulge on the masked guy in the black shirt. He's totally having a semi!

by Anonymousreply 4Last Friday at 11:45 AM

Garibaldi didn't unite Italy, he divided Africa.

by Anonymousreply 5Last Friday at 11:46 AM

Papists and Fenians really need to stop hanging around WASP only bathouses.

by Anonymousreply 6Last Friday at 11:49 AM

Fucking mongrels trying to act superior.

by Anonymousreply 7Last Friday at 11:50 AM

Italians are white.

by Anonymousreply 8Last Friday at 11:51 AM

Some are, R8.

Some aren't.

by Anonymousreply 9Last Friday at 11:52 AM

Someone also needs to remind them black people were here long before them and when they got here they were placed in concentration camps, lynched etc. also. How they’ve forgotten.

It’s scary how many of them proclaim “Italian” (they aren’t Italians) but don’t know any of the real Italian American history.

by Anonymousreply 10Last Friday at 11:52 AM

R10, of they know, but trying to forget by pretending they are better than others.

by Anonymousreply 11Last Friday at 11:54 AM

[R10], oh they know, but trying to forget by pretending they are better than others.

by Anonymousreply 12Last Friday at 11:56 AM

A lot think they're better than whites. Superiority complex.

by Anonymousreply 13Last Friday at 11:56 AM

There is nothing more entertaining than the whole Who's really White debate. It brings it all together, the complete arbitrariness of the whole silly thing.

by Anonymousreply 14Last Friday at 11:56 AM

R13 : So they think they're upgraded whites?

by Anonymousreply 15Last Friday at 11:58 AM

What are they bitching about?

by Anonymousreply 16Last Friday at 12:05 PM

How quickly they forget.

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by Anonymousreply 17Last Friday at 12:14 PM

R17 yup. They were brown. They used to look like what Mexicans look like. They didn’t start looking white until they started mixing with legitimate whites.

by Anonymousreply 18Last Friday at 12:18 PM

There's this thing called a "tan".

by Anonymousreply 19Last Friday at 12:32 PM

Italians are genetically related to all other Europeans. There’s very little admixture,-especially northern Italians- with North Africans.

by Anonymousreply 20Last Friday at 12:39 PM

Well, since you brought it up - why do some Italians have nappy hair?

John Turturro, for example

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by Anonymousreply 21Last Friday at 12:46 PM

Are Greeks white?

by Anonymousreply 22Last Friday at 12:49 PM

White Italians are white.

by Anonymousreply 23Last Friday at 12:50 PM

Southern Italians and Sicilians were euphemistically said to have an "olive-complexion"

by Anonymousreply 24Last Friday at 1:00 PM

What about Arabs? They're hawt!

by Anonymousreply 25Last Friday at 1:04 PM

Italians were Middle Eastern and did have black DNA

by Anonymousreply 26Last Friday at 1:06 PM

stupid thread. FF.

by Anonymousreply 27Last Friday at 1:09 PM

Watching that video, you Americans are fucking crazy, both sides, the BLM and those idiots.

by Anonymousreply 28Last Friday at 1:12 PM

If I have to read a genealogy print out to kill you without conscience, you’re white.

by Anonymousreply 29Last Friday at 1:12 PM

[quote] Southern Italians and Sicilians were euphemistically said to have an "olive-complexion"

We call that white.

by Anonymousreply 30Last Friday at 1:13 PM

Americans have weird obsessions.

by Anonymousreply 31Last Friday at 1:16 PM

Italians are NOT white. Maybe some very Northern Italians, but we true WASPs have to review that on a case by case basis. We are not just letting anyone in. The rule, before applying any creditable exceptions is that Italians are NOT white and, being Papists, are NOT Christian.

That's just how it is, but they get so uppity about it.

by Anonymousreply 32Last Friday at 1:18 PM

The average IQ in that group couldn't be much more than 80.

by Anonymousreply 33Last Friday at 1:18 PM

Are we talking Italians or Eye-talians?

by Anonymousreply 34Last Friday at 1:21 PM

But R32, Christianity existed before Protestantism. They are the one who decided to secede from the Roman church, which was the center of Christiandom. Now, Christianity is formed of the Catholic church, the Protstant church and the Orthodox church.

That the WASPs love to shout :"You are not one of us !", ok, but let's not create alternative realities.

by Anonymousreply 35Last Friday at 1:25 PM

Why are/were Italians thought of as nonwhite, while the same label was not put on Greeks?

Because of the close relationship and intermingling between Greeks ad Italians since ancient times, there is an expression in both countries called, in Italian: ”Una Faccia, Una Razza,” and in Greek: "μια φάτσα μια ράτσα" meaning One Face, One Race...meaning they are very similar in looks and genetics and have been throughout the ages.

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by Anonymousreply 36Last Friday at 1:27 PM

R34, as English is not my first language, I never got the nature of that ethnic slur ( is it a slur ? It is meant to be unpleasant, right ?)

Eye-talian ? Hoo !I mispronounce their nationality ! That will teach them !

Or is there something that went over my head ?

by Anonymousreply 37Last Friday at 1:31 PM

Another perspective of in Italian: ”Una Faccia, Una Razza,” and in Greek: "μια φάτσα μια ράτσα"

One Face, One Race (it's a real thing):

The Hellenic Institute for Byzantine and Post-Byzantine Studies opened in Venice in 1951, providing for the study of Byzantine and Post-Byzantine history in Italy.

The Istituto Italiano di Cultura di Atene in Athens is responsible for promoting Italian culture in Greece.

In July 2014, an official artistic exhibition with the title "Italy – Greece: one face, one race" was inaugurated in Rome on the occasion of the passing of the EU Council Presidency from Greece to Italy. The title of the exhibition refers to a Greek saying, "μια φάτσα μια ράτσα" (mia fatsa mia ratsa, cf. Italian una faccia, una razza), often used in Greece to express the perception of close cultural affinities between Greeks and Italians.

Greeks have lived in southern Italy (Magna Grecia) for millennia, and today are called Griko. There are also Italians in Corfu.

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by Anonymousreply 38Last Friday at 1:33 PM

They are considered white today. But they weren't all considered white when they first started coming to the US. The southern Italians had much darker skin than the northern Italians. The darker Italians were treated like black folks as far as housing, schooling, attending public places, etc. They were often called "white N*****s" or "N***** wop".

by Anonymousreply 39Last Friday at 1:42 PM

R38, this is really interesting, but I doubt OP is interested in similarities between Greeks and Romans (and modern Italians!) or by the caddie of Western civilisation.

OP seems to be part of one of the numerous American clans, at war with all the other factions. The one and out of which makes no sense for us.

by Anonymousreply 40Last Friday at 1:44 PM

** craddle of civilisation, obviously.

by Anonymousreply 41Last Friday at 1:46 PM

I'm very white and I don't understand why the part white people are so angry. It's weird.

by Anonymousreply 42Last Friday at 1:48 PM

Italians were called the “niggers” of Europe

by Anonymousreply 43Last Friday at 1:50 PM

All of these guys use “fag” but gladly jerk off to tranny porn.

by Anonymousreply 44Last Friday at 1:50 PM

R39, then shouldn't the Wasps be guilttripped about how unwelcoming they were ? Somehow, these recurrent thread make it sound like Italian Americans should be ashamed for having been shabily welcomed.

by Anonymousreply 45Last Friday at 1:50 PM

I don't think anyone posting here has actually ever been to Italy.

by Anonymousreply 46Last Friday at 1:53 PM

Northern Italy - White

Everyone other part - Well, everyone else knows the deal except them. But let them have their silk hankies over lamps fantasies.

by Anonymousreply 47Last Friday at 1:58 PM

True R46 or know Italian history. There are dark Italians and light Italians. There are white Italians and mixed Italians. People fuck-up when they try to put all Italians in the same box given the history in different parts of the country.

by Anonymousreply 48Last Friday at 2:00 PM

The laughable article at R17 is written by Brent Staples an African American who gets it all wrong.

by Anonymousreply 49Last Friday at 2:02 PM

This thread reads like something from 4chan.

by Anonymousreply 50Last Friday at 2:02 PM

MAYBE the guys in this video DON’T think they’re white, and also just hate BLM and the communists surrounding them? Like Asians.

by Anonymousreply 51Last Friday at 2:06 PM

What is happening in OP video ? What is the confrontation about ?

Yes, I'm the cluelss non American who posted a couple of question in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 52Last Friday at 2:11 PM

How about DL fave NFL quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo?

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by Anonymousreply 53Last Friday at 2:17 PM

How about adjacent couples?

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by Anonymousreply 54Last Friday at 2:18 PM

Melissa Gorga before and after

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by Anonymousreply 55Last Friday at 2:19 PM

Johnny Cash's first wife, Vivien Cash - full-blood Sciscilian

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by Anonymousreply 56Last Friday at 2:22 PM

Muriel should add this thread to the FAQs.

by Anonymousreply 57Last Friday at 2:24 PM

Nobody has seen the Walken/Hopper scene in True Romance (written by Tarantino....)?

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by Anonymousreply 58Last Friday at 2:29 PM

M U R I E L !!!!!!!! The cunt-faced "Italians-ain't-white" troll is backkkkkk from her virtual grave!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please re-bury her!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 59Last Friday at 2:32 PM

Skip to the 06:30 mark in R58 vid - R58!!

by Anonymousreply 60Last Friday at 2:32 PM

R59 is Italian?

by Anonymousreply 61Last Friday at 2:33 PM

[quote]They were brown. They used to look like what Mexicans look like. They didn’t start looking white until they started mixing with legitimate whites.

The complete ignorance on DL is astounding sometimes.

by Anonymousreply 62Last Friday at 2:35 PM

[quote]Italians were called the “niggers” of Europe

That was actually the Irish.

by Anonymousreply 63Last Friday at 2:37 PM

When the wind blows the craddle will fall. Down will come R41, craddle and all.

by Anonymousreply 64Last Friday at 2:38 PM

I forgot Gandolfini was in that movie too. A Tony Scott movie written by Tarantino wins the tasteless Olympics.

by Anonymousreply 65Last Friday at 2:42 PM

I think a good metric for "whiteness" is that is somebody can't immediately identify you as white or has to ask, you are not white. Someone told me Persians consider themselves white and this is not the case. It's pretty basic.

by Anonymousreply 66Last Friday at 2:43 PM

Nope. Middle Easterners are classified as CAUCASIAN!

Hindus/Indians are classified as ASIAN!

What about the poor Aborigines? No one EVER considers the classification of the Aborigines!

by Anonymousreply 67Last Friday at 2:53 PM

[quote] Nope. Middle Easterners are classified as CAUCASIAN!

Countdown to the “They’re Caucasian but not white” post.

by Anonymousreply 68Last Friday at 2:58 PM

They're Caucasian but not white. I don't think anyone would mistake Pratima and Mohammed as being late for the Oktoberfest across town.

by Anonymousreply 69Last Friday at 3:04 PM

As R63 said it was about the Irish... But who'd say that ? I'm pretty sure the Swedes, the French, the Spaniards, people from Luxambourg, the Germans and the Russians didn't worry about Irish peop,e and bothered to callthemthat.

It seems like it could come from ... The English ? Hardly all of Europe ! Actually, they don't even want to be part of Europe !

by Anonymousreply 70Last Friday at 3:42 PM

They’re Caucasian because Caucasian doesn’t actually mean WHITE

by Anonymousreply 71Last Friday at 4:11 PM

Is Chris Meloni white?

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by Anonymousreply 72Last Friday at 4:14 PM

r69 Yes, Persians look like Europeans. Have you ever seen one? Doesn't sound like it.

There is local difference everywhere. There are more blue eyed Swedes than blue eyed Germans, there are more blue eyed Germans than blue eyed Italians, they are more blue eyed Italians that blue eyed Persians. Yet brown eyed white people are still white.

WASPs can be or have been racist to Italians all they want, you can be racist to anyone if you hold the power, but they can not change the race of the people of an age old nation on another continent by that, You ARE aware that Europe and Italy actually still exist, Americans?

by Anonymousreply 73Last Friday at 4:21 PM

People from India are NOT MONGOLOID they are CAUCASOID.

by Anonymousreply 74Last Friday at 4:21 PM

R49, Care to elaborate?

by Anonymousreply 75Last Friday at 4:23 PM

[quote] They're Caucasian but not white.

[quote] They’re Caucasian because Caucasian doesn’t actually mean WHITE

Told you so.

by Anonymousreply 76Last Friday at 4:29 PM

The world is not made of Two races. PS the old fuck in his 80s always using terms like “Caucasoid” and “Mongoloid”, those terms are outdated and that was proven bullshit years ago.

by Anonymousreply 77Last Friday at 4:44 PM

Here goes an articles most Americans need to read. Caucasian does not actually mean white.

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by Anonymousreply 78Last Friday at 4:45 PM

And no, those brown Middle Eastern people are not “white”.

by Anonymousreply 79Last Friday at 4:45 PM

[quote] People from India are NOT MONGOLOID they are CAUCASOID.

R74 = Dr. Eugene Icks, a protege or Dr. Mengele

by Anonymousreply 80Last Friday at 4:47 PM

This white-adjacent thing is such horseshit. There are TONS of Northern Europeans/Britons/Irish who are swarthy. Tom Cullen is a good example - he's 100% Welsh and he could pass for a Spaniard.

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by Anonymousreply 81Last Friday at 4:50 PM

[quote] Why are/were Italians thought of as nonwhite, while the same label was not put on Greeks?

On DL Greeks are not white either.

by Anonymousreply 82Last Friday at 4:52 PM

R81 because they are mixed

by Anonymousreply 83Last Friday at 4:53 PM

Those people in the video aren't Italians. They are all Americans. Every single one of them.

Also - there are plenty of fair skinned, light eyed, blond Italians in Italy. Depends on the geographical location.

by Anonymousreply 84Last Friday at 4:56 PM

[quote]Someone also needs to remind them black people were here long before them and when they got here they were placed in concentration camps, lynched etc. also. How they’ve forgotten.

Italians learned how to integrate into American society within a generation or two. Why haven't blacks who have been here for 400 years?

by Anonymousreply 85Last Friday at 4:57 PM

Italians may be considered white now but racist Italian-Americans need to accept that WASPS used to discriminate against them too, and just maybe they can develop some empathy.

by Anonymousreply 86Last Friday at 4:59 PM

Discriminate? They used to kill them!!!

by Anonymousreply 87Last Friday at 5:01 PM

Half Italian (ethnically) and from Philly, and these guys are just embarrassing. They never left the city except to go "down the shore". They're still either living in the same house they grew up in or in the same neighborhood. They never amounted to much. They have chips on their shoulders. Seeing the city change before their very eyes so rapidly, especially demographically-speaking, is scary to them. The city's population is made up of African-Americans and hipster youth who have built the city up and now have strong political power. Houses go for over half a mil. These goombas are unable to progress with the world around them. They're clinging to whatever 'Identity" they have left.

by Anonymousreply 88Last Friday at 5:02 PM

Anyway, I have to laugh that their precious Columbus statue is officially coming down.

by Anonymousreply 89Last Friday at 5:04 PM

R88 while I agree with most you said, I hate when people knock people for staying in the town they were born in/grew up in. Nothing wrong with growing where you were planted.

I have more respect for someone like that than people who flock to cities they don’t even fit in.

by Anonymousreply 90Last Friday at 5:05 PM

R85 - black people were slaves until 1865 when slavery was officially abolished. That was 155 years ago.

Then, various laws have actively worked to keep black people down for most of the last 155 years after that - segregation, suffrage, access to education, finance etc.

So that's hardly comparable to Italian immigrants is it?


by Anonymousreply 91Last Friday at 5:06 PM

[quote]Then, various laws have actively worked to keep black people down for most of the last 155 years after that - segregation, suffrage, access to education, finance etc.

Blacks' insistence on committing endless violent crimes for the last 155 years has resulted in their being kept down. Yes, "homicide" is one of various laws that has kept black people down by their refusal to obey it.

by Anonymousreply 92Last Friday at 5:11 PM

NO R92 and you know it you racist fuck!

by Anonymousreply 93Last Friday at 5:14 PM

R92 is the perfect example of people who don’t know their own history or they would have more empathy.

by Anonymousreply 94Last Friday at 5:19 PM

R91 In fact. There is no comparison. Zero.

In my family a first generation Italian cousin went to Yale, another became a judge. My first generation grandfather became solidly upper middle class by the 1950s and sent his kids to college.

Italians founded the Bank of America 1904. Doctors, architects, scientists, artists, businessmen....Enrico Fermi, Valentino, Caruso, the architect Candela, Antonio Meucci, Domingo Ghirardelli, Giuseppe Bellanca, Fiorello La Guardia was the mayor of NYC.....the list is long

Immigrants from Italy were coming from a country that gave us the Roman Empire, the Renaissance ...Italy gave the world great inventions, advances in science, medicine, art, exploration....the fucking COUNTRY is named after an Italian.

Italians have absolutely NOTHING in common with the plight of Blacks.

by Anonymousreply 95Last Friday at 5:23 PM

[quote]I hate when people knock people for staying in the town they were born in/grew up in. Nothing wrong with growing where you were planted.

Except they have no interest the world outside of their own. That's the problem. They travel in myopic circles.

by Anonymousreply 96Last Friday at 5:24 PM

R93, please view this thread.

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by Anonymousreply 97Last Friday at 5:24 PM

[quote]Except they have no interest the world outside of their own.

Old school Italian neighborhoods are fine with me.

by Anonymousreply 98Last Friday at 5:27 PM

R97 and? Many people who live there say the cops started the shootouts but the media won’t cover it.

Who knows what is happening.

And using that is stupid because you don’t use white people who mass kill.

by Anonymousreply 99Last Friday at 5:33 PM

R95- Fiorello LaGuardia was half Italian and half Jewish how the hell did he end up EPISCOPALIAN?

by Anonymousreply 100Last Friday at 5:35 PM

Hey, with Greeks it is also fragmented and tribal. The fact is, if you're from the Macedonian region you're fair, and the scattered islands have a lot of Turkish and Middle eastern ancestors. As for Italy, the Arbs colonized Naples and remained there for more than 300 years. Hannibal Barca of Carthage in North Africa invade Italy and the Carthagenians stayed in the Italian Peninsula for a very long time. Ancient warfare and conquest, and the commerce on the Mediterranean meant a lot of mixing. Northern Italians mixed with Germanic Tribes, with Gauls, etc. and Southern italians mixed with Semitic people throughout the Mediterranean. Greeks too. And it happened over hundreds of years.

by Anonymousreply 101Last Friday at 5:48 PM

[quote]Many people who live there say the cops started the shootouts

Oh please.

by Anonymousreply 102Last Friday at 5:50 PM

[quote] the Arbs

I'd like to stay in one next time I'm in Italy.

by Anonymousreply 103Last Friday at 5:52 PM

Apparently Leonardo DiCaprio, Madonna, Nicolas Cage, Bradley Cooper and Chris Evans are mixed race people according to DL. Let's not forget Meryl Streep in The Bridges of Madison County, one of the most grotesque examples of whitewashing in Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 104Last Friday at 5:54 PM

So Frank Sinatra was actually black?

by Anonymousreply 105Last Friday at 5:56 PM


That is part of the issue. We’ve gotten to a place where we think the world is made of white or black. That’s a lie b

by Anonymousreply 106Last Friday at 5:58 PM

So Frank Sinatra was Arab?

by Anonymousreply 107Last Friday at 6:01 PM

If italians aren't white because of distant north african ancestry, then scandinavians are also not white because of distant asian ancestry.

by Anonymousreply 108Last Friday at 6:06 PM

Madonna is my favorite black artist.

by Anonymousreply 109Last Friday at 6:08 PM

Why is this topic so recurrent on DL? It comes up every couple of months. I don't see it discussed elsewhere.

by Anonymousreply 110Last Friday at 6:13 PM

Ariana has the classic olive complexion seen by true Italians, not fake Italians.

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by Anonymousreply 111Last Friday at 6:14 PM

Oh god now we have "fake" Italians and "true" Italians. DLers are batshit crazy.

WTF is it with Italians and this 'white adjacent' shit? The French can be dark or fair and nobody thinks they're anything but white.

by Anonymousreply 112Last Friday at 6:24 PM

[quote] The French can be dark or fair and nobody thinks they're anything but white.

You must be new here.

by Anonymousreply 113Last Friday at 6:28 PM

Ariana isn’t a real Italian. That tan is fake too.

by Anonymousreply 114Last Friday at 6:28 PM

The French are notoriously non white.

by Anonymousreply 115Last Friday at 6:28 PM

As far as Black entertainers go, Perry Como has always been my favorite.

by Anonymousreply 116Last Friday at 6:30 PM

Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin opened a lot of doors for people of color in the entertainment industry. They were two of the first non-white artists to find mainstream acceptance.

by Anonymousreply 117Last Friday at 6:41 PM

It was Hitler who called Italians "the mongrel race of Europe."

by Anonymousreply 118Last Friday at 6:42 PM

R118 and millions followed.

by Anonymousreply 119Last Friday at 6:46 PM

Raffaello, Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Titian, Tintoretto, Giovanni Bellini, Botticelli, Donatello, Piero della Francesca, Fra Angelico, Andrea Mantegna, Filippo Lippi, Caravaggio, Giotto, Puccini, Rossini, Monteverdi, Vivaldi...just to name a few....all mongrels!

by Anonymousreply 120Last Friday at 6:51 PM

Hitler worshipped italians due to the Roman Empire.

by Anonymousreply 121Last Friday at 7:05 PM

I'm half Italian. I had to fill out a form that asked for race. I was honestly confused. No European countries were called out, so I thought about checking "other" and writing in Italian, but in the end just checked white.

by Anonymousreply 122Last Friday at 7:12 PM

They are white

by Anonymousreply 123Last Friday at 7:17 PM

I'm Italian. From Catanzaro in the South. Well, I was born here and my parents were born here but my grand parents, great grand parents on both sides, and my great, great grand parents on both sides were all Italians. I have a true olive complexion and thick naturally curly hair. I had cousins who had nappy hair. Nappy RED hair. Vikings passed through the Italian peninsula in the area where our people came from. One of the cousins did research and said the area in ancient times was called "magna Greca. " There are ancient amphitheatres in the countryside that date back to the Greeks.

by Anonymousreply 124Last Friday at 7:18 PM

[quote] but in the end just checked white.

You chose...unwisely.

by Anonymousreply 125Last Friday at 7:18 PM

What should he have checked? African-American or Asian?

by Anonymousreply 126Last Friday at 7:28 PM

I am 1/2 Italian on my dad’s side and agree with R88. I love my dad, but he and his South Philly friends are racist and homophobic (although he loves his boy - anyway). I had a really cool black roommate in college and be became best friends. I learned a lot from being his friend, traveling with him and meeting other black people. It really opened my mind from my racist upbringing. Then I moved to NYC and expanded my world even more. However, when I visit South Philly/my dad, I am reminded of the same small minded attitudes that haven’t changed a bit in 50 years. It is really sad and I can’t wait to leave again.

by Anonymousreply 127Last Friday at 7:33 PM

This doesn't look like any white person I know...

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by Anonymousreply 128Last Friday at 7:35 PM

Does to me, r128.

by Anonymousreply 129Last Friday at 7:36 PM

Does Alicia Vikander look white to you? She is much darker than the average italian.

by Anonymousreply 130Last Friday at 7:38 PM

For the idiot at R128

Virna Lisi

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by Anonymousreply 131Last Friday at 7:50 PM

Mariangela Melato

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by Anonymousreply 132Last Friday at 7:54 PM

Giulietta Masina

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by Anonymousreply 133Last Friday at 8:07 PM

Monica Vitti

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by Anonymousreply 134Last Friday at 8:08 PM

Italians and the Irish became so racist to try and take away from their own otherness.

by Anonymousreply 135Last Friday at 8:15 PM

R135 Racists? The Italians didn't institute slavery. Or Jim Crow. Or red lining. Learn a little history.

by Anonymousreply 136Last Friday at 8:19 PM

Were Annette Funicello and Frankie Avalon considered white? I would say so.

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by Anonymousreply 137Last Friday at 8:20 PM

ariana dolezal's tan is fake. she's pale as a ghost naturally.

by Anonymousreply 138Last Friday at 8:20 PM

If OP Edwina thinks she is 54 percent white then what are italians??

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by Anonymousreply 139Last Friday at 8:25 PM

[quote]Were Annette Funicello and Frankie Avalon considered white?

I have heard that filming was difficult for them because it was hard to find beaches that accepted people of color.

by Anonymousreply 140Last Friday at 8:27 PM

[quote]Why are/were Italians thought of as nonwhite, while the same label was not put on Greeks?

[quote]On DL Greeks are not white either.

Oh, okay. So I guess I'm not white. I'll let my father and grandmother know. They will be most interested . She'll pray for you at the Greek church this weekend. Then she'll put a hex on you, you white bastard.

by Anonymousreply 141Last Friday at 8:28 PM

Annette Funicello kind of looked like Zira from Planet Of The Apes (1968) they both had the same SIMIAN hairdo.

by Anonymousreply 142Last Friday at 8:29 PM

R136: Learn the definition of "racist"

by Anonymousreply 143Last Friday at 8:29 PM

Italy was the most racist country I’ve ever been to. I was shocked. They don’t even hide it.

by Anonymousreply 144Last Friday at 8:30 PM

WTF! People here are still putting all Italians (and Greeks) in the same box! Most are white. Some are mixed! Stop with the willful stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 145Last Friday at 8:32 PM

R144: Italians are extremists. Either they LOVE you or they HATE you and very arrogant either way.

by Anonymousreply 146Last Friday at 8:39 PM

im cuban of portuguese and spanish ancestry. acccording to acestry and 23andme i was supposed to be blond and blue eyed. however my hair is cery black and my eyes are brown. my father looks swedish and my mother is brunette. southern europeans can have a variety of skin tones fron pale to olive but their facial and bone structures are clearly europeans, only the unfuckable gingers in the USA think they are not white. yes , southern europeans are waaaayyyy hotter than those nasty looking english and germans.

by Anonymousreply 147Last Friday at 8:40 PM

"Mama, am I black?"

"Well, Liza, I never thought about it before, but I guess you are."

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by Anonymousreply 148Last Friday at 8:43 PM

it is all envy what americans have always felt for italians cuz they know italians have an amazing cultural heritage. they would give an eye if they could to just be able to get out of shithole utah and spend one day of their miserable lives in wonderful italy.

by Anonymousreply 149Last Friday at 8:48 PM

As a Swiss diplomat once said to me, "Everything south of Naples is Africa."

by Anonymousreply 150Last Friday at 8:51 PM

Imagine willingly committing brain cells to determining the merits of any side of this argument. Really scraping the barrel. It’s so low energy.

by Anonymousreply 151Last Friday at 8:52 PM

FWIW the Irish were also once considered non-white. Both the Irish and Italians are considered white by all now except freaks like OP. Jews and Latinos have had a similar journey. There are Black Jews and Latinos though. In Italy, there is a long term, significant north-south divide, which has racial overtones. Northerners will say “Rome is where Africa begins.” This was a common expression before the recent “migrant emergency.” The Northern League, which is now trying to go mainstream, has very racist roots, and advocated breaking away under the name “Padania.”

by Anonymousreply 152Last Friday at 8:54 PM

I'm sorry but Italian Americans have almost zero in common with real Italians. They are like two different species.

by Anonymousreply 153Last Friday at 8:55 PM

Unless you look like christopher moltisanti, I’m not sleeping with you. Guidos are racist, horrible creatures. That’s why NJ is such a shithole

by Anonymousreply 154Last Friday at 8:58 PM

White people come in shades, just like Black folks. This is a race baiter thread, DL catnip.

by Anonymousreply 155Last Friday at 8:58 PM

R153: "Real" Italians? Okay...bloodline don't count? In what ways - says you?

by Anonymousreply 156Last Friday at 9:02 PM

R155 yep the OP fat race baiting troll Edwina is stiring the pot again.

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by Anonymousreply 158Last Friday at 9:22 PM

R150 You should have asked that Swiss Diplomat what art , culture, great music, cuisine, fashion, etc....the Swiss have ever produced,

by Anonymousreply 159Last Friday at 9:26 PM

The Italians are very defensive of their consideration of being white or not. It is how big your dick is that really counts.

by Anonymousreply 160Last Friday at 10:34 PM

It's 2020 and they still do not have the decorium to button up their shirts!

by Anonymousreply 161Last Friday at 10:55 PM

Someone needs to inform the OP every race of people is comprised of various shades and hues.

by Anonymousreply 162Last Saturday at 2:32 AM

Only the Italians hung over 10” might not be completely white.

by Anonymousreply 163Last Saturday at 2:44 AM

Oh ffs, this old chestnut again?

Does Marcello Mastroianni not look white? Ballerina Carla Fracci (now one of the most beautiful 80 year old women I've ever seen)? You know how many blond Italians there are? Have you looked at statuary from Roman and medieval times? At Michelangeleo's David? Boticelli's Venus? Bellini's St. Francis in the Desert?

Southern Italy probably has a large dollop of North African DNA. DNA gets spread around, minimised with intermarriage, transmuted, changed, and either amplified or diminished in individuals as time goes on.

OP is a jackass stirring the pot. Probably the same git who insisted Antonio Banderas and all Spaniards aren't white, either, despite one look at the King and Queen of Spain and the plethora of tall blond Spaniards in Northwestern Spain.

Why is this bullshit always with us?!

by Anonymousreply 164Last Saturday at 4:13 AM

R155 - "This is a race baiter thread. . . ."

Like, totally.

by Anonymousreply 165Last Saturday at 4:14 AM

R164 Hello

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by Anonymousreply 166Last Saturday at 4:17 AM

R150, there's an English saying, obviously racist, "Africa begins at Calais". The French say "Africa begins at the Pyrenees. " It's an old European trope.

by Anonymousreply 167Last Saturday at 4:20 AM

It's not a Black White issue. There are groups of people who are semitic. Arabic. WTF ever you call them. And within countries there are regions and tribes that have different language, customs, culture, etc. Italians are Europeans. Swedes are Europeans. But they are miles apart in terms of physicality, culture temperament, traditions, etc.

I think sometimes what we don't know about the world is embarrassing, as Americans. You can go to Portugal, Spain, Greece, italy, and you will find significant regional differences even in the dialect they speak, the architecture, the cuisine, the customs. In Greece you can call them "racist" if you like, but the prejudice and the insularities go back to the times pre-dating Alexander the Great.

On the mainland in the Greek peninsula, the Macedonian region were the lighter complexioned ones. Even today, I remember my grandmother had an old neighbor who was very quick to tell us he was "Macedonian." There was a term not much in use today, called The Orient. It included Turkey, parts of Russia, parts of China. Further to the West, in the Mediterranean, lots of commerce, lots of mixing.

We keep hearing about these distinctions all the time: Persians aren't Arabs. They will be the first to tell you. Middle Eastern? Yes. Arabs, no. Macedonians aren't Greeks. Sicilians aren't "real" Italians. People from Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, aren't "Africans" they're Arabs.

It's a pain in the ass trying to keep up with the fact that in this reactionary age, with a resurgence of a new version of nationalism, the fragmentation of human society is exacerbated by refugee crises, and people insisting on claiming identity from the narrowest possible definition.

by Anonymousreply 168Last Saturday at 4:20 AM

[quote] Italians are Europeans. Swedes are Europeans. But they are miles apart in terms of physicality, culture temperament, traditions, etc.

They are miles apart, period. Europe is a real sliding scale from north to south (and a little more subtely west to east) when it comes to height, coloring, even culture, tradition and religion, just as much within nations as between nations. A naturally grown population must be consusing to Americans, so they cling to imaginary race clusters.

by Anonymousreply 169Last Saturday at 5:40 AM

For the people who get offended by this thread, I think it's just typical DL brand of off color un PC gallows humor to shed light on the systemic racism in the world. You either have fun with it or roll your eyes or keep moving. But on a side note, it is funny as shit the way Italian get all up in arms when you remind them about he whole Moors thing.

by Anonymousreply 170Last Saturday at 5:54 AM

We can all agree, regardless of race, Italian men have the nicest cocks, right?

by Anonymousreply 171Last Saturday at 6:02 AM

Geography plays a huge role in what evolves in a culture in order to survive. and outside influences affect everything from the evolving language, food, and adaptation of customs and traditions. YOu want to talk about evolving languages just look at the English Language itself.

I blame the Catholic Church for the ascendance and the promotion of racism and the whole notion of who is superior to whom. Religion has always been used as a weapon to oppress and subject one people to another.

by Anonymousreply 172Last Saturday at 6:10 AM

I think we need to define terms. OP, what is "white?" Because obviously it is a lot more than complexion, right? What is the standard against which you measure someone's conformity?

by Anonymousreply 173Last Saturday at 6:23 AM

I know this is in part a comedy-thread, but I think I now realise why the US has the reputation of being an unusually racist country. You never hear people from Northern Europe call into question whether Italians are white, not even when they’re hardcore neo-nazis.

by Anonymousreply 174Last Saturday at 6:33 AM

One thing is not up for debate: Santa Claus is a white man. He just is.

by Anonymousreply 175Last Saturday at 7:00 AM

[quote] he whole Moors thing.


by Anonymousreply 176Last Saturday at 7:11 AM

For example DL fave Anthony Recker, who is Italian despite his last name, is not white.

by Anonymousreply 177Last Saturday at 7:14 AM

R174 I grew up in the south. There were some race issues (mostly around interracial dating), but nothing crazy or out of hand. For the most part everyone got along. But the key was you were either black or you were white. It wasn't until I left the south that I realized there were all of these other categories of white people. It was quite the eye opener. I didn't meet a Jewish person until college and even then I didn't understand why everyone was so down on them.

I was fascinated the first time I went to the big city and there were these areas like Little Italy and Chinatown and this is where all the Russians live. I was so naïve. But it really a lesson in how America works. The key thing being they want to be better than and look down on American black people. Even some of the Africans that come here have issues with American black people. I just don't understand it.

by Anonymousreply 178Last Saturday at 7:17 AM

[quote[ I grew up in the south. There were some race issues (mostly around interracial dating), but nothing crazy or out of hand.

I work a lot in the South (specifically Texas) for my job, having been raised the UK and Northeastern United States. Racism is definitely crazy and out of hand. Perhaps it isn't compared to say 60 years ago, but it is still virulent. When I'm not around black people, the racism comes out, and when you react against it people become very agitated.

by Anonymousreply 179Last Saturday at 7:23 AM

[quote] I grew up in the south. There were some race issues (mostly around interracial dating), but nothing crazy or out of hand.

I work a lot in the South (specifically Texas) for my job, having been raised the UK and Northeastern United States. Racism is definitely crazy and out of hand. Perhaps it isn't compared to say 60 years ago, but it is still virulent. When I'm not around black people, the racism comes out, and when you react against it people become very agitated.

by Anonymousreply 180Last Saturday at 7:23 AM

Are Brad Pitt and Derek Hough white?

by Anonymousreply 181Last Saturday at 7:33 AM

The Italians in the Southwest were just called Mexican-Lite. In the Northeast and the South they were actually killed by lynching and other nefarious ways.

In America Italians were "upgraded" to white when Hispanics started moving out of the Sunbelt into the Northern parts of the country.

by Anonymousreply 182Last Saturday at 7:34 AM

[quote] The Italians in the Southwest were just called Mexican-Lite.

In California I believe many Italians are from Northern Italy.

by Anonymousreply 183Last Saturday at 7:41 AM

[quote]In California I believe many Italians are from Northern Italy.

That's why they were called Mexican-Lite. There is a reason why the Pachuco movement also spilled into the Italian neighborhoods.

by Anonymousreply 184Last Saturday at 7:44 AM

What's the "Pachuco movement"?

by Anonymousreply 185Last Saturday at 7:48 AM

When Mexicans started to dress like they came out of the Zoot riots. You know, like when Mexicans would get beat up by whites and blacks if they got out of their barrios... The navy would do drills in the barrios were they would practice by beating up Mexican men and Mexican women.

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by Anonymousreply 186Last Saturday at 7:52 AM

Actually, r124, the Vikings, well Normans, did more than pass through Southern Italy. They owned the place for awhile. It's what makes all this whole thing so silly, the constant worry about race mixing when everyone's such a mutt. How many white people in the South really want to look deeply into their own purity?

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by Anonymousreply 187Last Saturday at 8:27 AM

I know for a fact there's so much race mixing in Louisiana and Georgia it is hardly worth mentioning. It's only in the mountainous rural regions of north and south Georgia, and in the rural regions of LA that you get the extremists and the assholes. Of course Mississippi and Alabama are really bad as far as the racists go.

by Anonymousreply 188Last Saturday at 8:38 AM

Here come the "swarthy" people who have the inability to use the word DARK.

by Anonymousreply 189Last Saturday at 8:47 AM

R164, Never looked at Antonio Banderas and thought—yep, that's a white man! Lol.

by Anonymousreply 190Last Saturday at 9:17 AM

R164 - Welcome to DL, where a thread just like this erupted over (probably the OP of this one) insisting that Banderas wasn't white simply by virtue of being Spanish.

Frankly, I never looked at Banderas and thought he was anything but white - and scrumptious.

by Anonymousreply 191Last Saturday at 9:32 AM

[quote]In America Italians were "upgraded" to white when Hispanics started moving out of the Sunbelt into the Northern parts of the country.

Total bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 192Last Saturday at 9:33 AM

[quote]talians are Europeans. Swedes are Europeans. But they are miles apart

They sure are.

The Swedes haven't produced even a teeny tiny fraction of the culture the Italians have.

by Anonymousreply 193Last Saturday at 9:35 AM

Italians are Caucasian, therefore white.

Like Blacks, whites come in many hues. The skin range is from pale white to dark olive skin.

by Anonymousreply 194Last Saturday at 9:38 AM

The Irish might have been considered trash but they are probably the absolutely definition of white. Light hair, extremely white skin, blue eyes are their predominate traits.. I guess there are the dark Irish.

by Anonymousreply 195Last Saturday at 10:30 AM

R195 - They're called "Black Irish" with dark hair and dark eyes (eg. Colin Farrell).

by Anonymousreply 196Last Saturday at 10:36 AM

Anyone who dismisses the Italians as being of "various hues" misses the point. Southern Italians, (those south of Rome, not Naples) were more mixed with other civilizations because of colonization, because of commerce, etc. So the culture, the cuisine, the climate, the dialects, etc. everything was influenced by others. In the north you have other cultural influences from the landlocked tribes and cultures of northern and Central Europe. There was a time when Austria invaded a ruled northern italy, for example. But again. We use the term "white." very broadly and everyone seems to put their own spin on it. For me, "White" is a buzzword. It says "I subscribe to a mode of thought and a standard of behavior" I find abhorrent. I celebrate other cultures. They make like richer. But there are a lot of others who fear "outsiders" or anything that is different from their small, insular world.

by Anonymousreply 197Last Saturday at 11:39 AM

SOME are called Black Irish. Most Irish are white as white can be. It is hilarious how these things had to be "decided," no doubt after a lot of earnest investigation and scholarly bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 198Last Saturday at 11:41 AM

So who's the bitch that hates this Edwin so much? What's that shit about?

by Anonymousreply 199Last Saturday at 11:43 AM

[quote]For me, "White" is a buzzword. It says "I subscribe to a mode of thought and a standard of behavior" I find abhorrent.

Why do you find that abhorrent?

by Anonymousreply 200Last Saturday at 11:55 AM

Most Italian immigrants came to the US in the twentieth century, long after slavery was outlawed and they had nothing to do with how blacks were treated here. So, Italian-Americans are not going to be paying one cent of Reparations or whatever bullshit handouts are being demanded by blacks and Progressive politicians, especially if they're being told they aren't white.

by Anonymousreply 201Last Saturday at 1:25 PM

Because DOnald Trump and the people who support him...the millions who support him, appropriated it long ago and defined it in such a way as to be abhorrent to me.

by Anonymousreply 202Last Saturday at 2:00 PM

[quote]But there are a lot of others who fear "outsiders" or anything that is different from their small, insular world.

Italy is filled with walled cities just for that reason.

by Anonymousreply 203Last Saturday at 2:04 PM

[quote]Italy is filled with walled cities just for that reason.

Those walled cities date back to the MIddle Ages, and have nothing to do with racism.

by Anonymousreply 204Last Saturday at 2:21 PM

R204 You're wrong. They were built at their time to keep invaders out. And still today, Italians are suspicious of "the other". And that's not a criticism on my part BTW.

by Anonymousreply 205Last Saturday at 3:03 PM

[quote]And still today, Italians are suspicious of "the other".

Every group, everywhere on Earth, is suspicious of "the other".

by Anonymousreply 206Last Saturday at 3:07 PM

Well, if you had invaders who raped all your women and killed your men and took over the country you'd want to build walls to keep them out too.

by Anonymousreply 207Last Saturday at 3:11 PM

R207 You think native americans should have built walls back in the 1500s?

by Anonymousreply 208Last Saturday at 3:14 PM

R206 Agreed. I was responding to the idiotic post at R197

by Anonymousreply 209Last Saturday at 3:18 PM

And r208 is right on cue.

by Anonymousreply 210Last Saturday at 3:29 PM

EVERYONE built walls in the Middle Ages, and a lot in the Ancient World. Is this honestly supposed to be some big clue into the Italian character? Really?

by Anonymousreply 211Last Saturday at 3:30 PM

Race is a social construct.

by Anonymousreply 212Last Saturday at 3:34 PM

R212 Amen!

by Anonymousreply 213Last Saturday at 3:51 PM

R211 Yes absolutely. It explains a lot about attitudes still to this day.

by Anonymousreply 214Last Saturday at 4:15 PM

no, it really doesn't r214.

by Anonymousreply 215Last Saturday at 4:18 PM

R215 Have you ever lived in a walled town?

I have in Italy for 3 decades. Do even speak Italian?

by Anonymousreply 216Last Saturday at 4:24 PM

jesus christ, bitch, you think living in a town with medieval walls tells you some big thing about yourself and your surrounding culture? Do you know York has walls? Do you know Quebec has walls? Do you honestly think this is some big thing that Italy invented and now everyone is stuck with living in walled cities and wondering when the Vikings are going to show up?

by Anonymousreply 217Last Saturday at 4:28 PM

[quote]you think living in a town with medieval walls tells you some big thing about yourself and your surrounding culture?

You bet it does.

R217 But you're an idiot. You truly don't get it. You know nothing about history and how attitudes are formed.

by Anonymousreply 218Last Saturday at 4:31 PM

fine, you are a medieval peasant, and that you will remain. Please plow the lower 40 with your ox. Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 219Last Saturday at 4:32 PM

R219 Is one of those clueless tourists who will go to Italy and explain the country to the natives.

by Anonymousreply 220Last Saturday at 4:39 PM

yes, that must be it r220. Unless you get that every Italian is still a medieval peasant you can't understand them. Clearly.

by Anonymousreply 221Last Saturday at 4:41 PM

I do happen to know something about history, so stop acting like a pissy little Troll.

by Anonymousreply 222Last Saturday at 4:41 PM

does this bitch look white to english people???!!! give me a break!

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by Anonymousreply 223Last Saturday at 4:44 PM

well I do happen to know something about history too, so it's all good. The important thing is, who is white? IT is mystery.

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by Anonymousreply 225Last Saturday at 4:58 PM

We should just do a one-time massive redistribution of wealth. Wealth has been based primarily on bullshit for about 50 years now. Mix it up. Throw it around. Stop pretending it's some sacred thing, that there is some delicate balance where only the most talented and skillful and useful get money. We all know that's horseshit. Whatever you want to call it, reparations, stimulus, whatever the fuck, just start throwing the money around.

by Anonymousreply 226Last Saturday at 5:02 PM

Theo James.

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by Anonymousreply 227Last Sunday at 6:04 AM

Hey italians have you gotten it yet?? You are NOT white, because I said so!

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by Anonymousreply 228Last Sunday at 6:37 AM


by Anonymousreply 229Last Sunday at 2:07 PM

R198 - "They're called "Black Irish" with dark hair and dark eyes (eg. Colin Farrell)."

Don't forget Tyrone Power and Aidan Turner . . .

by Anonymousreply 230Last Monday at 5:05 AM

"For me, "White" is a buzzword. It says "I subscribe to a mode of thought and a standard of behavior" I find abhorrent."

What mode of thought would that be? Shakespeare? Mozart? Albert Einstein? Charlotte Bronte? Mark Twain? The Tudors? The Kennedys? The Roosevelts? Jonas Salk? Robert Louis Stevenson? Evelyn Waugh? Yeats? Emily Dickinson? Jane Austen?

You don't deserve them.

by Anonymousreply 231Last Monday at 5:09 AM

228 that guy does not belong to the mediterrenean caucasian race. he is clearly a mixed race hispanic

by Anonymousreply 232Last Monday at 9:42 AM

R232 That thing in the purple is the OP of this thread Edwina. He says he is over 50 percent white!

by Anonymousreply 233Last Monday at 5:00 PM

Italians get very defensive when you question their whiteness.

by Anonymousreply 23420 hours ago

Because they're white.

by Anonymousreply 23520 hours ago

[quote] Because they're white.

No. It’s because they’re insecure about not being white.

by Anonymousreply 23619 hours ago

R236 They’re secure in their knowledge that you’re an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 23719 hours ago

They think it's a huge offense to be called a non-white.

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