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Happy 75th Birthday, Carly Simon!!!!

To honor Miss Simon I'm gonna have some clouds in my coffee, clouds in my coffee.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 149Last Wednesday at 10:10 PM

Make sure you cradle it, hun!

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 106/26/2020

she was an unconventional and kooky beauty, I’ve always liked her.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 206/26/2020

I don't know her.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 306/26/2020

Always a cool chick. Love Carly.

My favorite Carly song: "Jesse"...with a special performance at Grand Central.

Happy Birthday, doll

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 406/26/2020

She is actually 78.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 506/26/2020

OP - Who came in your coffee?

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 606/26/2020

Classic Carly on Martha's Vineyard. The wind is lovely on her.

Lots of other vids from that concert.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 706/26/2020

I'm gonna give Mom the best gift I can give her.....me!

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 806/26/2020

Those hard nipples were worth million to her back in the day. Good job girls.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 906/26/2020

I tiptoe past the master bedroom where my mother reads her magazines.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 1006/26/2020

Fuck that bitch.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 1106/26/2020

Their children hate them for the things they not. They hate themselves for what they are.

[that is some dark shit in that song but i love it]

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 1206/26/2020

Still jealous she had that primo James Taylor cock.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 1306/26/2020

You can't do much with even a huge cock when it's limp from drugs.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 1406/26/2020

Carly Elisabeth Simon (born June 25, 1945), 75; The Bronx, NY.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 1506/26/2020

She was never a good singer and not pretty. Sexy and an okay songwriter. Forgotten.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 1606/26/2020

R16. How old are you? Run along. Carly Simon is not forgotten nor are her songs.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 1706/26/2020

Damn, that bitch is old

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 1806/26/2020

Carly Simon with Howard Stern in 1995:

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 1906/26/2020

R16, are you mentally retarded?

Just asking.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 2006/26/2020

[quote] Damn, that bitch is old

Say that about ME and I'll put out my lit cigarette in your fuckin' eye!

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 2106/26/2020

I didn’t know she was a cancer. Makes sense. I love her music. Great to get sad drunk too

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 2206/26/2020

[quote] Still jealous she had that primo James Taylor cock.

And then later his son Ben's

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 2306/26/2020

^ did anyone read her book about Jackie Kennedy?

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 2406/26/2020

You mean his AND her son R23.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 2506/26/2020

How old of a white gay man are you sir @ R20? Over 75 to be sure. Who uses words like mentally retarded? I bet you love to call Beyonce names on a Friday night too. Carly Simon is almost 40 years older than I am. She is homely and can't sing. Facts are facts. That one song over and over again. Her classic covers are torture to the ears. Thin and flat, in voice and chest. Got hit by a shovel. Enjoy yourself racist GRAMPS, aka R20!!

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 2606/26/2020

I eat piles and piles AND! PILES! of shit.

So much shit! I can barely fit it on my fork!!!!!!

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 2706/26/2020

Carly and her two sisters have a pact: They all subtract 3 years from their ages. That used to be more significant than it is now.

When the author of "Girls Like Us" was writing the book about Carly, Joni Mitchell, and Carole King, Carly was the only subject who agreed to cooperate and be a source. Her only condition: the author would not reveal the actual year Carly was born. She agreed.

If you read the book, it is very clear that the author gets suddenly vague about certain events (like high school graduation) that would tip off the reader to Carly's actual age.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 2806/26/2020

R16 = Joni Mitchell

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 2906/26/2020

Why doesn't Carly sing anymore? Is she retired?

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 3006/26/2020

Carly never really could sing. And yes, she's retarded now.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 3106/26/2020

When Carly married James Taylor in 1972, Time Mag said they were 32 and 28 respectivly. Hmmmm.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 3206/26/2020

Sounds like Carly is no stranger to the Lez Lez.

"In an interview published on May 1, 2008, with the Bay Area Reporter, an LGBT news service, Simon was asked about the possibility of a performance in the True Colors Tour. She responded, "The part that I could be involved in is the gay and lesbian part. The part that would be hard for me is to commit to a tour, because I'm not very comfortable being onstage. But the part that would be easiest for me would be singing on behalf of all of us. I don't consider myself to be not gay... I've enlarged all of my possibilities. I have a lot of extremely personal stories to tell about that, but we won't go into that right now. Let's just say that it just depends upon who I'm with."

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 3306/26/2020

While she didn't have the vocal chops of a Ronstadt, Raitt, Mitchell, or Nyro, her voice worked very well with her own material. And she certainly has/had a better voice than Carole King ever did.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 3406/26/2020

Carly wrote better lyrics than Carole and better music than Joni. Carly sang better than both of them.

Joni wrote better lyrics than either of them, but Carole wrote better music than the other two. Joni sang better than Carole.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 3506/26/2020

[quote] better music than Joni

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 3606/26/2020

Carl Simon is not any better singer that Carole King and doesn't have 1/100th of her talent. Carly was just around. She's lucky that Mike Nichols kept her shitty career going for another 20 years. Truly a terrible singer. At least Carole King knew he limitations as a vocalist.

Carly Simon doesn't belong in the same sentence as Ronstadt, Raitt, Mitchell, Nyro OR King. Don't be silly.

Carly Simon belongs in the same category as Jewel, Suzanne Vega and Janis Ian.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 3706/26/2020

Evidently the author of Girls Like Us begs to differ with Miss R37 as she felt Carly, Carole and Joni were in the same sentence.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 3806/26/2020

That's a trashy and poorly researched book R38. They're close to the same age. And they fucked some of the same men. The end. Carly Simon doesn't inhabit a place as singer or songwriter. As a singer - YUCK. She would be left out of a 12 hour Ken Burn's documentary.

Carly Simon is a footnote in Martha's Vineyard music history. A whiny dilettante with an annoying voice full of false emotion. She's grotesque.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 3906/26/2020

R35 That sounds like the beginning of an SAT word problem.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 4006/26/2020

Carly was my babysitter back when she was at Sarah Lawrence. All I can remember was that she seemed ENORMOUS to me. ENORMOUS. And very nice.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 4106/26/2020

[quote]Sounds like Carly is no stranger to the Lez Lez

Yikes can you imagine those chompers coming at your lady bits?

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 4206/26/2020

Carly looked like a less attractive Yvie Oddley. Covergirl won't cover boy.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 4306/26/2020

White Boomers LOVE Carly and James Taylor. Everybody else is kind of "meh" about both.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 4406/26/2020

Well, I'd rather give the boomers some credibility on that count, rather than any generation that foisted Iggy Azalea on us.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 4506/26/2020

Nobody foisted Iggy Azalea on anyone but herself. She's a universal joke and a weird name to bring up. Carly Simon sucked her way to the middle though, for sure. And SHE did heroin too sister. That bitch ain't some suffering wife. Save your old white gay pity for more deserving people. Not preppy Kennedy Centre hippies from the Vineyard. They flew private planes long before real superstars. James Taylor despises her. Carly is a toxic cookie and he got out the only way he knew how. Behave worse and hope she leaves. She's grotesque.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 4606/26/2020

Well, smell Miss R46.

I await her command to sashay away.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 4706/26/2020

I'd forgotten what a massive mouth she has. It's served her well.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 4806/26/2020

she was a big old heaux

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 4906/26/2020

I really liked her "Anticipation" and "No Secrets" albums. But not much else. She's always seemed very neurotic, a neurotic rich girl. And no, she was never that much of singer. "Flat voiced" is what one critic called. She stupidly made her hair very blonde, to look younger I suppose. But the blonde hair doesn't become her, it makes her look like a hag. She was considered quite the sex symbol in her day, but looking back it's hard to see why. She was tall and skinny, with a wide nose and a huge mouth with prominent teeth. Not exactly a beauty.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 5006/26/2020

Mama needs a back rub, Ben, for old time's sake.

And bring the lotion.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 5106/26/2020

I met her on the vineyard and she attached herself to me! We were never friends. I never confided in her. She was so neurotic I felt compelled to be her friend least she do away with herself. She had the gall to ask me about the assassination ! Bunny and I laughed ourselves mercilessly at her sad little attempts to break into our clique.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 5206/26/2020

"I feel like a concert on Martha's Vineyard is like stepping out of my bathroom and into my bedroom. It's sort of like going downstairs. It feels as if the islanders are my family. Most concerts I feel it's me and them, the audience. On the island I don't feel that way. I feel that it's me and us."

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 5306/26/2020

[quote]She was considered quite the sex symbol in her day, but looking back it's hard to see why. Not exactly a beauty.

Carly was pretty glam for a pop singer.

And her hard nipples on the cover of No Secrets and spread legs with the light coming through her dress on the cover of Anticipation helped her sex symbol image. Sears banned her Playing Possum album because they deemed the cover too sexy.

She was provocative (the Boys in the Trees cover looks like she's just been fucked) before long Madonna came along.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 5406/27/2020

Very spotty career. Chronicling the lives of the east coast elite has limited appeal. Much of her album work is filler. And she has released plenty of flat-out dreck.

That said, I kind of love her. She can be a wry lyricist, and always had a sexiness that seemed more from being than performing.

Her first album of American standards, Torch, was my gateway into the American songbook. While her voice is nowhere near as technically impressive as Ronstadt’s, her interpretations of classic torch and tin-pan-alley songs are superior.

And yeah, she got to ride peak JT, fight with a drunken Chrissie Hynde at a Joni Mitchell show, and date the original Stephen Carrington. And then marry a real-life gay! Plenty of drama in addition to decades of good music.

Speaking of which, where are the fucking YouTube previews?

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 5506/27/2020

R55 I love that version of I Get Along Without You Very Well. It is heartbreaking.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 5606/27/2020

I recommend her memoir "Boys In The Trees." It is very well written, candid, and interesting.

Her book on Jackie O is dreadful.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 5706/27/2020

Everything about her is dreadful and inky dinky special. Every time celebrates a few lightweights. Carly was the lightweight of the 1970s female singer/songwriters who made musical and personal history. Karen Carpenter is light years more important and loved. Carly is kind of grossly self indulgent. Who told her she could sing? I'm no fan of Ronstadt's dreck, but that bitch could sing. Real songs.

Anyway, RIP Carly. At first do no harm. I'm sorry for her children.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 5806/29/2020

I just bought a collection called Reflections, which is remastered old hits. It's wonderful.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 5906/29/2020

Funny how Karen Carpenter got so much shit in her day and Carly Simon and Linda Ronstadt were celebrated, and now it's the other way around. Simon and Ronstadt aren't really known that well to younger generations, but Karen Carpenter, who's been dead for nearly 40 years, is well-known.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 6006/29/2020

Carly Simon? She's so vain!

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 6106/29/2020

In the 1970s, I actually heard Carly Simon say on a radio show* that she was better than Streisand - because Streisand used over dramatizing when singing like an ugly girl had a "good personality." In other words, Streisand had no looks, so she developed her singing voice to compensate.

I'm not a Streisand worshiper, but I found Simon's evaluation to be a real crock of sexist horseshit.

* the radio show was Jonathan Schwartz' local NYC

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 6206/29/2020

Streisand has awful taste. Simon's work form the 1970s and 1980s has aged better, on the whole.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 6306/29/2020

75? Son of a gun.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 6406/29/2020

R63, this is about talent, and encompasses ALL of Streisand's singing career. It is not about some stupid singles Streisand out out in the 1970s. Not think about that. If necessary, look it up.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 6506/29/2020

Ok. I will not think about that.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 6606/29/2020

Streisand's pop stuff in the late 70s/early 80s is the only music of hers I've ever liked.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 6706/29/2020

You like this crap?

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 6806/29/2020

r68 I don't know that one. I was thinking more of "Prisoner," the theme song from the craptastic "Eyes Of Laura Mars" starring Faye Dunaway.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 6906/29/2020

I was playing this repeatedly a few weeks ago. God how I miss the days of actual talent. Carly looks and sounds just amazing in this clip.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 7006/29/2020

Streisand can't sing for shit. Zero emotion.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 7106/29/2020

Don't be an idiot, r71. There are criticisms you can make of Streisand, but "zero emotion" isn't one of them.

I love that clip of Simon, r70. I don't remember her performing live in the 70s but maybe I just missed it.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 7206/29/2020

She could've made bank as a touring artist in the 70s and 80s but she had horrible stage fright. I bet she regrets that now.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 7306/29/2020

A rich Jewish girl without proper orthodontics. Something doesn't ad dup.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 7406/29/2020

"Streisand can't sing for shit. Zero emotion."

Very funny. Streisand was criticized relentlessly for being overly emotional when singing. Unless you only know "The Way We Were" and all that 70s shit.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 75Last Tuesday at 6:26 AM

[quote]Karen Carpenter, who's been dead for nearly 40 years, is well-known.

Meanwhile, back in the real world . . .

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 76Last Tuesday at 6:45 AM

Carpenter's music and Karen Carpenter's gorgeous voice and tragic legend are far more alive in people's minds that Carly Simon. Karen Carpenter had one of the most beautiful and evocative recorded voices of all time. Sheesh.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 77Last Tuesday at 8:02 AM

Fanatics are weird, but everyone is a secret Carpenter's fan.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 78Last Tuesday at 8:03 AM

A voice from Beyond The Grave. Superstar.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 79Last Tuesday at 8:05 AM

[quote]Funny how Karen Carpenter got so much shit in her day and Carly Simon and Linda Ronstadt were celebrated, and now it's the other way around. Simon and Ronstadt aren't really known that well to younger generations, but Karen Carpenter, who's been dead for nearly 40 years, is well-known.

Linda had a documentary movie done on her last year and was inducted into the Kennedy Center Honors a few months back.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 80Last Tuesday at 8:08 AM

Carly who?

Year: 1983; Age: 32

After the singer’s sudden death, her legacy felt cloudy – thanks to the then-misunderstood illness, anorexia, which took her life, and a prevailing lack of critical respect for the hugely popular music she and brother Richard produced as the Carpenters from 1970 onward. Many dismissed trademark hits like “Yesterday Once More”, “Close to You” and “Rainy Days and Mondays” as schmaltzy and Lawrence Welk–level square; others were haunted by images of an alarmingly frail, thin Carpenter in performance. She was the first celebrity to posthumously make eating disorders a part of the national conversation; her complicated relationships with her brother and her mother, Agnes, and lack of control over her own artistry have been explored extensively since her passing. What ultimately redeemed her has been a gradual reassessment and celebration of her extraordinary contralto and The Carpenters’ catalog. An early, now-impossible-to-find Todd Haynes documentary Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story became an underground classic after its 1988 debut, and Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth wrote and recorded “Tunic (A Song for Karen)” in her memory in 1990. “I wanted to put Karen Carpenter up in heaven playing drums and being happy,” Gordon told Rolling Stone in 1997. Similarly, Elton John called her “one of the greatest voices of our lifetime,” and Madonna professed that she is “completely influenced by her harmonic sensibility.” In her final years, she was eager to take her lush, understated and crystal-clear voice into a new, independent direction. A 1979 solo album produced by Phil Ramone – not released until 1996 – had her singing about sex and liberation on tighter songs inflected with rock and disco. “It was a beginning,” Ramone told the New York Times. “I’m not saying that Karen was Ella Fitzgerald or Sarah Vaughan, but a voice like that could have done anything.”

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 81Last Tuesday at 8:09 AM

Will Pet Clark do this for Carly Simon? I don't think so. ONJ and Dionne Warwick, Burt Bacharach and Herb Alpert and Phil Ramone all showed up for Karen Carpenter too. A special voice she had. A wonderful musician and a great vocalist.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 82Last Tuesday at 8:21 AM

[quote]Carpenters' music and Karen Carpenter's gorgeous voice and tragic legend are far more alive in people's minds than Carly Simon.

Not in mine. I hated the Carpenters. Never spent one cent on their recordings until I got an SACD player around 1999. Still the sappiest fucking shit in the universe: on a par with other seventies misery makers Barry Manilow, the Captain and Tennille, England Dan & John Ford Coley, John Denver, Afternoon Delight, and Bread. I never listened to the Carpenters disc, and gave it away.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 83Last Tuesday at 9:38 AM

"Fanatics are weird, but everyone is a secret Carpenter's fan."

R83 is right. I remember them where they had their first hits - I ALWAYS disliked The Carpenters, always disliked Karen. They were gooey pop pablum, and gave me the creeps on top of that. It's younger audiences that are in love with Karen's voice because they don't know any of good voices. I don't even refer to Karen as a vocalist because she has a unique sound but no technique.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 84Last Tuesday at 10:30 AM

Nonsense. Madonna is as old as most of you and she liked Karen's voice. Ditto Sonic Youth.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 85Last Tuesday at 10:32 AM

Sonic Youth / Superstar

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 86Last Tuesday at 10:34 AM

Whether Madonna, Sinatra, Robert Q Lewis or Soupy Sales "liked" Karen Carpenter's voice does not make her a good voice or a good singer. Odd some list names who said they liked her somehow makes her good. It's like the idiots here who claims something's good because it sold.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 87Last Tuesday at 10:36 AM

Oh, yeah, r85...Madonna has always been my first reference in matters of taste. (Smirking My Ass Off.)

Do you perform nincompoopery for a living? You're good at it.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 88Last Tuesday at 10:36 AM

Muriel, can we please have an Idiot Of The Thread button? Please? r85 deserves—nay, needs—one desperately.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 89Last Tuesday at 10:38 AM

Call be overly sensitive, but I just couldn't get into a brother-sister act who were fucking.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 90Last Tuesday at 10:43 AM

[quote] Whether Madonna, Sinatra, Robert Q Lewis or Soupy Sales "liked" Karen Carpenter's voice does not make her a good voice or a good singer. Odd some list names who said they liked her somehow makes her good. It's like the idiots here who claims something's good because it sold.

This is like on every Judy Garland thread -- all 12 trillion of them -- some idiot will always trot about some purported Frank Sinatra quotation about Garland being the only singer who won't be forgotten -- as if whatever that mean, old drunk said matters.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 91Last Tuesday at 10:46 AM

[Quote] Whether Madonna, Sinatra, Robert Q Lewis or Soupy Sales "liked" Karen Carpenter's voice does not make her a good voice or a good singer. Odd some list names who said they liked her somehow makes her good. It's like the idiots here who claims something's good because it sold.

The poster up thread write that younger audiences don't know a good voice, so I named some old people who are Karen fans...

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 92Last Tuesday at 10:46 AM

r88

The woman knows talent. Madonna wouldn't have a career based just on her own skills.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 93Last Tuesday at 10:47 AM

[Quote] Around 1970, I was invited into Herb Alpert's office at A&M Records to listen to the Carpenters' version of "Close To You," a song that I had recorded in the mid 1960's. I was pleasantly surprised. I loved the way Karen sounded. They also recorded a song I considered one of my biggest Bacharach challenges from the Broadway play PROMISES PROMISES titled "Knowing When To Leave." Karen nailed it.

[Quote] I do miss her, but her legacy is her music, and that will live on long after we are all gone.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 94Last Tuesday at 10:49 AM

Love them both. Who I don't love is the talent free Carl Simony.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 95Last Tuesday at 10:50 AM

Knowing Dionne, she would only ever compliment someone she didn't consider a threat. "I got your number, skinny white hussy."

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 96Last Tuesday at 10:57 AM

Dionne loved Karen Carpenter. Everyone knows that.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 97Last Tuesday at 11:00 AM

What did Lainie Kazan say about Karen?

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 98Last Tuesday at 11:12 AM

Don't try this Carly Simons.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 99Last Tuesday at 11:12 AM

Karen Carpenter's voice is discovered every day. Her sound is very, very special. To say she had no technique displays incredible ignorance. She had a great gift which she used beautifully.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 100Last Tuesday at 11:18 AM

[Quote] What did Lainie Kazan say about Karen?

"Can I have your stuff?"

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 101Last Tuesday at 11:29 AM

Geez, I love both Carpenter's and Simon's sound.

I'll leave the technical debate to those who know what they're talking about.

I give the nod to Carpenter, though, for sheer talent.

Nobody else's voice creates such poignancy within me. I love to feel sad when I hear Carpenter sing.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 102Last Tuesday at 3:22 PM

[Quote] Carpenter's

Mary Chapin?

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 103Last Tuesday at 3:32 PM

No, r103, Karen Carpenter's

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 104Last Tuesday at 3:35 PM

R101, at first I thought you mean that Lainie wanted to seduce Karen. But even old fat Lainie had standards.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 105Last Tuesday at 3:36 PM

Carly has a bright, funny, observant personality that is surprising to those who know only her neurotic celebrity persona (although there's is certainly plenty of neurosis there too)...

But Carly is a "Pleaser" personality type and has never been particularly good at protecting herself, which has provided plenty of fodder for her enemies - kind of amazing that she still inspires such a range of strong opinions here.

Her personality came through in both of her books "Boys in the Trees" and "Touched By the Sun: My Friendship with Jackie" - she's known a lot of famous persons and has some amazing stories. She's obviously a talented writer, as well.

At this stage of her life, Carly has finally found a kind of completeness and contentment that eluded her earlier. I won't say she no longer cares - but she's no longer likely to be devastated by the disapproval of others...

And if you think Carly's not a talented lyricist, give a listen to "Libby" or "Boys in the Trees" (Tori Amos calls it the song she WISHES she had written), and some of the lesser known songs in her catalog that spans over three decades....

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 106Last Tuesday at 4:33 PM

When Carly was on "Finding Your Roots", Henry Louis Gates called Carly the "blackest White woman" they had ever had on the show.

BTW, that was a great episode - they uncovered some interesting stories in her genealogy.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 107Last Tuesday at 4:41 PM

Carly can't sing though.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 108Last Tuesday at 5:45 PM

And you don't have any interesting thoughts, R108

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 109Last Tuesday at 7:09 PM

Carly's maternal grandmother claimed to be the illegitimate daughter of the Infante of Span

Carly's mother Andrea had Caucasian features and hair and she generally "passed" as White in Segregated America

Her mother's brothers had black features and struggled to earn a living but they both were talented musicians

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 110Last Tuesday at 7:13 PM

*Infante of Spain

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 111Last Tuesday at 7:14 PM

Many of the best and most informed post on this thread come from me, R109. What a shame you can't track them. Can't afford a buck fifty?

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 112Last Tuesday at 7:18 PM

Carly's mother Andrea Simon

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 113Last Tuesday at 7:20 PM

Carly & Andrea

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 114Last Tuesday at 7:21 PM

Carly's mother was mixed race?

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 115Last Tuesday at 7:23 PM

The Richard and Andrea Simon family

circa 1952...maybe

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 116Last Tuesday at 7:24 PM

Was Carly a prize fighter or just a battered bitch? What a busted up face. She's a cutter kind of gal. Proud of her neurosis. She draws attention to her victim pains. Weak. Maybe that's why her songs are so putrid?

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 117Last Tuesday at 7:25 PM

Yes, Carly's mother had a quarter African-Caribbean ancestry through her mother Andrea Heinemann

Carly has said she would have been considered an "Octoroon" or a person of 1/8 African ancestry, in the parlance of Segregated America

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 118Last Tuesday at 7:28 PM

I didn't realize Carly's younger brother Peter Simon died in 2018

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 119Last Tuesday at 7:33 PM

Carly's mother Andrea

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 120Last Tuesday at 7:35 PM

So some of Carly's photos were clearly G-Rated

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 121Last Tuesday at 7:42 PM

Sloan Wilson, author of "Man in the Gray Flannel Suit" wrote about visiting his publisher Richard Simon at Simon's country estate in Connecticut in the 1950s

Wilson wrote in one of his books that seeing Simon and his family in the setting of their estate, they all seemed to have a sort ethereal bronze glow of success, except for Simon's daughter Carly who was not as attractive

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 122Last Tuesday at 7:48 PM

At what age was Carly lobotomized? No wonder Jackie fake friended her.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 123Last Tuesday at 7:53 PM

James Taylor and Carly celebrating Thanksgiving with Carly's family

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 124Last Tuesday at 7:54 PM

r121 - That looks an awful lot like a young Lauren Bacall.

You all are comparing apples and oranges. Streisand, Rondstadt, Karen Carpenter were all singers. They didn't write music , they sang others music. King, Simon, Mitchell, were all troubadours. You don't need to have a great voice to be one, just a good one. I'm 64 years old and just became a real Joni Mitchell fan since I've been in quarantine.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 125Last Tuesday at 7:55 PM

Joni Mitchell is a genius. And she could SING. Her musicality and phrasing and timing and tuning are impeccable. Carly Simon never even resembled young Lauren Bacall's foot. And she has no place in the same sentence with Joni Mitchell either. Drink your vodka and cry over her "singing" old white DL posters - but don't try to convince the rest of us that Carling Simmons was anything but rich and lucky with connections. She SUCKS ass. Literally.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 126Last Tuesday at 8:14 PM

Carly Simon and James Taylor's Wedding Reception

I hope Yoko didn't insist on singing

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 127Last Tuesday at 8:48 PM

I've never been into Carly Simon or James Taylor but by Boomer parents, aunts, uncles and their friends (east coast, upper-middle class types) loved them.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 128Last Tuesday at 9:01 PM

Damn fine looking woman in her day.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 129Last Tuesday at 9:07 PM

I love that Carly's mother kept a lover half her age in the same house as her husband.

My kind of gal!

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 130Last Wednesday at 7:06 AM

According to DL, Carly herself carried on her mother's "younger lover in the house" tradition with Ben.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 131Last Wednesday at 8:53 AM

Your son can't be your lover. That's abuse.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 132Last Wednesday at 8:55 AM

Her song Jessie is a benchmark in payola. She was a major artist in the 70’s then, as said above, began to slide. Because she was paid the big bucks & had the decline her record company paid radio stations in money, travel $ coke to get it across. It worked with the song & somewhat the album She followed it with another that bombed (single was tired of being blonde) Mike nicols (sp?) did bump her career after that with all the movie soundtracks. This was from the payloa book i read (look up the title i don’t want to) I remember it because most of the book was about Arthur freed in the 50’s & The arthur pointed out it was still going on. The other problem with the 70’s artists (carly,etc) was Generation X wanted their own stars & the birth of mtv. So all these high paid singers were not returning on their investment. If i’m long winded it because I’m high.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 133Last Wednesday at 9:52 AM

[quote]The other problem with the 70’s artists (carly,etc) was Generation X wanted their own stars & the birth of mtv. So all these high paid singers were not returning on their investment. If i’m long winded it because I’m high.

Absolutely. Also, the singer/songwriter type of artist fell out of favor in the 80s in favor of the big flashy pop stars like Madonna, Prince and Michael Jackson.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 134Last Wednesday at 9:56 AM

"Carly Simon never even resembled young Lauren Bacall's foot."

That's correct. Carly Simon resembled Lauren Bacall's horse.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 135Last Wednesday at 12:04 PM

I read that stations were paid to play "Jesse."

That surprised me, as it is a very catchy song. Unlike almost everything else on that album. It was about the only song on "Come Upstairs" that sounded like a Carly Simon song.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 136Last Wednesday at 12:04 PM

Only other song from Carly Simon have liked is "Coming Around Again". Liked as it didn't turn radio off or change channel when it came on, but wouldn't go out and actually buy.

Thanks to film Heartburn the song was everywhere it seemed.

Like her earlier work "That's The Way I've Always Heard It Should Be", CAA is about a woman's view point on life. This time instead of a hesitant young woman about to marry, we have an older wife/mother from the same sort of suburban upper middle class background wondering about her life.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 137Last Wednesday at 12:18 PM

Coming Around Again's lyrics are like a poem. Very clever.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 138Last Wednesday at 1:53 PM

Coming Around Again's lyrics are like a poem. Very clever.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 139Last Wednesday at 1:53 PM

R60, huh?

Love her music- and Joni, and Judy, and Carol. All of them light years more creative and original than any current artist. Joni’s music is towering.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 140Last Wednesday at 2:02 PM

r140 I'm Gen X and Karen Carpenter is more well-known and listened to among us than Linda or Carly. I know Boomers hate this because she's one of their icons, but Linda Ronstadt is not well-known at all among younger generations.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 141Last Wednesday at 2:09 PM

Carpenters were smart to cover lesser known songs/hits. Linda covered big hits (e.g. Motown standards). Her versions were never going to endure.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 142Last Wednesday at 2:10 PM

Linda Ronstadt was such a huge star in her day, but her legacy has not lasted much at all. Most people today who weren't around back then are like "Linda who?"

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 143Last Wednesday at 2:13 PM

"Coming Around Again"

Baby sneezes

Mummy pleases

Daddy breezes in

So good on paper

So romantic

But so bewildering

I know nothing stays the same

But if you're willing to play the game

It's coming around again

So don't mind if I fall apart

There's more room in a broken heart

You pay the grocer

You fix the toaster

You kiss the host Good-bye

Then you break a window

Burn the Souffle

Scream a lullaby

I know nothing stays the same

But if you're willing to play the game

It's coming around again

So don't mind if I fall apart

There's more room in a broken heart

And I believe in love

But what else can I do

I'm so in love with you

I know nothing stays the same

But if you're willing to play the game

It will be coming around again

[repeat and fade]

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 144Last Wednesday at 2:20 PM

Carly Simon, James Taylor, Janis Ian, Gordon Lightfoot, Jane Olivor, Christopher Cross and so many more songwriters/singers from 1970's and 1980's were just from a different time in music. Some of their works and or artists themselves have endured, others either way not so much.

Then again when you turn on the radio or however you listen to tunes it isn't any wonder. Much of what is out there today is garbage sung (if you could call it that) by people who cannot sing.

Back in 1970's or 1980's you could turn on radio and hear songs that moved you and or at least understood emotions behind the words.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 145Last Wednesday at 2:25 PM

LInda Ronstadt for one was one of the most emotionless singers ever. She had a pretty and powerful voice but she didn't really know how to sing. She just blares or trembles her way through shit. That's why she's not remembered. Her musical interpretations are hollow and meaningless.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 146Last Wednesday at 2:33 PM

Couldn’t agree more, Charlie (r140)...Joni deserved the Nobel for her lyrics as much or more than Dylan...

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 147Last Wednesday at 2:41 PM

I think that the album cover for Playing Possum was the sexiest and prettiest photograph of Carly Simon.

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by My scarf, it is apricotreply 148Last Wednesday at 9:46 PM

exactly R128. she's very appealing to a certain demographic. i find her stuff unlistenable.

by My scarf, it is apricotreply 149Last Wednesday at 10:10 PM
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