trying to save an 8 year old child, because not a single one of them could swim. Why on earth would you keep a swimming pool if no one in the family knew how to swim?
The stupid things people do amazes me no end.
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trying to save an 8 year old child, because not a single one of them could swim. Why on earth would you keep a swimming pool if no one in the family knew how to swim?
The stupid things people do amazes me no end.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||07/07/2020|
Dot or feather?
|by Anonymous||reply 1||06/25/2020|
Does "NJ family" answer that question r1?
|by Anonymous||reply 2||06/25/2020|
I thought there was some electrical event that electrocuted anyone who went in the water. No?
|by Anonymous||reply 3||06/25/2020|
They were naan-swimmers.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||06/25/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 5||06/25/2020|
No, apparently that pool has a deep end that is 6-7' deep and that's where the 8 year old was having problems. They were idiots for letting a child who didn't know how to swim get in that pool without someone there who knew how to swim.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||06/25/2020|
Oh. I see. They were not electrocuted.
Why the fuck would anyone have a pool open if none of the people living there can swim? That is so fucking stupid.
I can’t even comprehend the folly of those people. They deserved to drown. Except the kid, maybe.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||06/25/2020|
The second adult likely died because the other adult ended up dragging her down with him in panic That can happen even to good swimmers if they don't know how to properly rescue someone.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||06/25/2020|
[quote] Does "NJ family" answer that question R1?
|by Anonymous||reply 9||06/25/2020|
Nope, early reports of electrocution turned out to be wrong. They were just stupid.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||06/25/2020|
Those people had apparently never heard of water wings.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||06/25/2020|
Thinning The Herd
|by Anonymous||reply 12||06/25/2020|
"Above Ground Pool" makes it a justified death.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||06/25/2020|
It's working according to plan.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||06/25/2020|
Casino or call center?
|by Anonymous||reply 15||06/25/2020|
Patels usually own convenience stores where I live.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||06/25/2020|
[quote] Casino or call center?
I’ve read on DL that “Tech support or casino?” is also appropriate.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||06/25/2020|
But he could sure win spelling bees!
|by Anonymous||reply 18||06/25/2020|
R4, you bitch, you just had to drag me to hell with you.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||06/25/2020|
R15 Lolllll stop it’s not funny.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||06/25/2020|
We laugh so we don't cry.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||06/25/2020|
I love how the article mentions how much the family paid for their house, which has nothing to do with the price of tea in Darjeeling.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||06/25/2020|
That’s so sad. A family was destroyed in 10 minutes.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||06/25/2020|
[quote] The stupid things people do amazes me no end
Yes. Kind of like the idiot who posts something and doesn't even bother to read the article
They just bought the house.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||06/25/2020|
[quote] They just bought the house.
And the farm.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||06/25/2020|
What above ground pool goes over 4ft deep?
|by Anonymous||reply 26||06/25/2020|
This can't be true. I mean seriously, the adults could've easily walked to the more shallow part of the pool, if I understood correctly what the pool is like. Sounds more like hit job or a spree killing.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||06/25/2020|
girl, get that dick!
|by Anonymous||reply 28||06/25/2020|
Crazy in that in-ground home pools are rarely more than 5 feet deep
|by Anonymous||reply 29||06/25/2020|
New Jersey has the highest percentage of Indians of all 50 states r9. R2 is on the money if you know this state, it is famous for its Indian community.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||06/25/2020|
[quote]Crazy in that in-ground home pools are rarely more than 5 feet deep.
Ditto. I’d be more concerned about the thing collapsing than drowning in it.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||06/25/2020|
At least it was a lot cleaner than the Ganges
|by Anonymous||reply 32||06/25/2020|
I had never heard of an above-ground pool deeper than 5 feet, but it’s a thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||06/25/2020|
This looks to be built into the slope of the yard, so the deep end could be that deep.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||06/25/2020|
Darwin wins again!
|by Anonymous||reply 35||06/25/2020|
The article including the home purchase price is a public service, since the home will soon be on the market.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||06/25/2020|
Even at 6 feet deep they should have been able to stand on their tiptoes and breathe ,unless they were all 4 feet tall. This story is so damn weird it has to be true.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||06/25/2020|
[quote] Yes. Kind of like the idiot who posts something and doesn't even bother to read the article. They just bought the house.
What does that have to do with it. No matter when they bought the house, NONE OF THEM KNEW HOW TO SWIM, you twat, and they were stupid to let an 8 year old child get in it without proper supervision BY SOMEONE WHO KNEW HOW TO SWIM.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||06/25/2020|
r38 is correct. The fact that they just bought the house makes them even stupider. I would have chained my kid to a wall before I would have let it get near the pool. The article I read said that the family was excited to use the pool. What kind of idiots get in a pool without knowing how to swim?
|by Anonymous||reply 39||06/25/2020|
I grew up just down the road from there and went to school with a lot of Indian kids. They always seemed like super smart kids. Not sure what to think.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||06/25/2020|
Well, now I’m depressed before bed.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||06/25/2020|
I think the aunt did it.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||06/25/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 43||06/25/2020|
R38, they were specifically referring to the OP who said "why would you keep a pool if you don't know how to swim?"
They didn't "keep a pool," they very recently bought a pool. That was the point.
It also looks like it has a railing and gate near it so it's entirely possible they had it secured, or thought it was secured, only to find out too late that the little kid could get through it. Then they panicked.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||06/25/2020|
I don't understand how you drown in an above ground pool. Stand on ground. Push feet up....
|by Anonymous||reply 45||06/25/2020|
[quote] Even at 6 feet deep they should have been able to stand on their tiptoes and breathe ,unless they were all 4 feet tall.
Are you retarded? Are you stoned? Are you a combination of both? One thing's for sure, you certainly are fucking stupid.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||06/25/2020|
Yeah, they're idiots, but it's still awful.
If NONE could swim, why get a pool with a deep end? Plenty of above-ground pools are shallow enough to always have room to stand - 4-4.5 feet deep.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||06/25/2020|
Tasteful friends, house with pool in NJ, for less than $400k.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||06/25/2020|
They didn’t own a single flotation device either? I Guess we don’t have to worry about one family of morons breeding...
|by Anonymous||reply 49||06/25/2020|
They should have drained the pool if it posed a threat.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||06/25/2020|
It is bizarre how many people cannot understand the article.
If you do not know why they bought a pool, then read the article again.
It is good practice. Look for the answer to that question and it will help you exercise those atrophied reading comprehension muscles!
|by Anonymous||reply 51||06/25/2020|
OMG - RIP.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||06/25/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 53||06/25/2020|
Non-swimmers panic and pull other people down with them. That's why the whole family drowned--they were all pulling each other down, even grandma.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||06/25/2020|
Told you I was hardcore.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||06/25/2020|
Above-ground pools, American cars, and vinyl siding are the most depressing things about the Midwest and suburban Northeast.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||06/25/2020|
The patels in rural Georgia are Drs or own hotels.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||06/25/2020|
How can an above-ground pool be that deep? Why wouldn't it be built in-ground if they wanted that depth? Even then, many pools today had a maximum 4 ft or 4-1/2 ft depth because of the danger of nonswimmers getting in trouble. Some states have laws about the need for lifeguards and/or safety gear (poles, rings) for pools over 5 ft deep.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||06/25/2020|
How could they be so stupid yet have a middle class house? And they were never more than 1-2 meters from the edge of the pool. The mind boggles. So sad.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||06/26/2020|
One other odd bit-- the girls who fell (or jumped) in was 8, so unless she was special needs, she was old enough to appreciate the dangers of going into a pool when she could not swim.
In most similar cases, the child is 2 or 3 years old and too young to understand the dangers--that's why parents don't leave kids that age alone.
But an 8 year old is in third grade
|by Anonymous||reply 60||06/26/2020|
Candy Spelling strikes again.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||06/26/2020|
R43 That's misogynist.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||06/26/2020|
Sounds like a case of trying to keep up with the white Jones'.
Didn't they have the money to join a YMCA for swimming lessons? Didn't they have floating devices? I swear, some people are actively competing for the Darwin Award, and now, a family is dead.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||06/26/2020|
Just stand up!
|by Anonymous||reply 64||06/26/2020|
Some people are unused to water.
90% of people drowning on Australian beaches are Asiatic tourists.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||06/26/2020|
Just Lean In!
|by Anonymous||reply 66||06/26/2020|
I have to admit that if I bought a house with a swimming pool and someone fell in, I would not be able to save them.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||06/26/2020|
Don't let that stop you from your dream house r67
Jumping in to save a drowning person is always the last resort. First attempts should always be throwing them something that you can pull them to safety.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||06/26/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 69||06/26/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 70||06/26/2020|
Doesn’t a house with a pool usually cost more? What was the motivation to buy this place if nobody could swim?
|by Anonymous||reply 71||06/26/2020|
I'll bet no one expected the pool to be as deep as it was
|by Anonymous||reply 72||06/26/2020|
Casino or call center is alliterative, better than casino or tech support. Both good updates to dot or feather.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||06/26/2020|
And the article said they intentionally spent money on upgrading the pool after they bought the house. I have to assume that they felt they had achieved the classic American dream of owning a nice house, a pool, and the other trappings that come with that idea. For them to allow an 8 year old child access to that pool with no one who could swim watching over her, and no flotation devices, shows that these people were simply idiots.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||06/27/2020|
Yes, a small fraction of the money spent on the pool upgrade could have bought swimming lessons for the whole family
|by Anonymous||reply 75||06/27/2020|
I wonder how these people got their money? Perhaps they are suffering from the shock of affluence.
How many people in India have a swimming pool when they are so deficient in necessities
|by Anonymous||reply 76||06/27/2020|
Are you uninformed, or just racist, r76? Surely you must know Indian doctors, IT workers, or engineers?
My college has a drowning in their pool a long time back and now requires all students pass a swim test to graduate. You take a test in your first year, then have four years to learn if you don’t pass. I have always been around water, so I passed. Incidents like this are really sad and could have been avoided.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||06/27/2020|
The saddest part is that even if one doesn’t know how to swim, everyone knows how to float, whether they know it, or do not know it.
For those of you here who may not have learned to swim, and who might find themselves in this sort of unfortunate situation: if you’re in the deep end, use your legs as if you’re walking in place, with your toes pointing straight down. This will push you up towards the surface. Once you hit air, turn your face straight up, as if you’re looking straight up above you, while you’re still paddling toward the surface with your legs and feet, then extend each arm in a straight manner, at 90 degrees away from your torso. Lean back, and completely relax. Don’t move or resist the water, and you should be floating.
Eventually, you should hit the side of the pool, or float to the shallow end. Floating comes naturally to us all, and it’s the first thing everyone learns to do when learning how to swim.
Here’s a video that’s way more detailed. Lots of people never learned to swim. Swimming is a fucking blast and a great way to get in shape. If you never learned, get some lessons ASAP. Totally worth it and could save your life. Also, don’t try to get someone out of the water without learning how to properly do so. Surely there are videos that will show you this as well.
Poor family. Totally senseless and didn’t have to happen.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||06/27/2020|
Fucking christ r76, you must live in Kansas or something.
Indian Americans are generally well off educated professionals. They have one of the highest average incomes of all demographic groups.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||06/27/2020|
Too busy haggling over something and forgot to use common sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||06/27/2020|
The idea of not knowing how to swim is very strange to me. No one ever taught me how to swim. At the age of 4 I just jumped in the first time with a ring float under my arms and a big group of adults who were watching over us. I ditched the ring float and figured the whole swimming free thing out pretty quickly. I learned how to float on my back to keep from sinking within a couple of minutes. Then I learned if I moved my feet back and forth it would make me move through the water, or keep my head above water. It was the same with my first bike. I just hopped on and rode off. I had never been on a 2 wheeler in my young life. I guess I was born with an innate sense of balance than some kids don't have.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||06/27/2020|
A few years ago I tried teaching myself to swim. I splashed alot and probably annoyed the others in the pool, but I thought I was okay.
Went a few days and then something happened and I started going under. I panicked but did get back to the surface. I never went back to the pool.
I have been in many frightening situations, but nothing was worse than being underwater that day. I cannot imagine a worst way to die.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||06/27/2020|
R81, nope. That’s how it works for pretty much all of us.
The issue is fear that’s either planted in by parents or anxiety that children may have due to whatever is going on in their home or school environment.
I also learned in the way that you described, though my mom did pay for swimming lessons. So even though I learned initially on my own, I also got to learn different swimming techniques that I may not have learned as well or as quickly, if I had not received the formal swimming lessons on top of it.
But no one paid for bicycle riding lessons, lol! I learned that solo. My dad bought me a bike, put the training wheels on, told me to get on it and peddle up and down the block, then took the training wheels off, and said, “Now do it again “. And... I did!
|by Anonymous||reply 83||06/27/2020|
R65 is right. There is usually a spate of drowning deaths over the Australian summer featuring Indian tourists. At the beach, they go in fully dressed and get caught in rips. One case I remember from a few years ago saw a group of Indians drown at a waterfall because they ignored signage saying not to swim but proceeded to anyway. They seem to have a very cavalier attitude towards the water and either overestimate their abilities or underestimate the dangers involved.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||06/27/2020|
r76 That is what heaven must look like.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||06/27/2020|
Migrants and tourists account for a third of drownings in Australia
|by Anonymous||reply 86||06/27/2020|
[quote]My dad bought me a bike, put the training wheels on, told me to get on it and peddle up and down the block
He wanted you to sell your brand new bike?
|by Anonymous||reply 87||06/27/2020|
I didn't think an above ground pool got any deeper than 4 feet. You learn something new everyday.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||06/27/2020|
Learn how to dive PROPERLY.
Not knowing how to dive properly can result in serious, life threatening or fatal injuries. A lot of people do not know that hitting water from any height, ranging from mere inches to feet, is equivalent to hitting a brick wall.
Don’t fall back into a pool, or fall forward. It will be painful as fuck, at minimum. And NEVER dive into shallow water, or water that you haven’t any clue as to whether there’s debris or rocks, below the surface.
Learning how to dive properly into deep, unobstructed water, is as important as learning how to swim.
People die or become paralyzed because they dive without knowing how to do so, or hit something they couldn’t see below the surface, before they dived.
Even if you’re an experienced swimmer, diving properly is a really big deal.
Also, one more thing. Everyone who swims or doesn’t, needs to learn CPR. No excuses.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||06/27/2020|
You can drown in 4 inches if you've never been a pool before and you're lying in it horizontally.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||06/27/2020|
"... unless they were all 4 ft. tall"
|by Anonymous||reply 91||06/27/2020|
I'm gonna go take a long, steamy bath with barely enough water to cover my perky dot head.
You're only gonna sit in two feet of water?!
|by Anonymous||reply 92||06/27/2020|
R77 -- Are you talking about Stanford University?
|by Anonymous||reply 93||06/27/2020|
I purchased an above ground pool once with my prize wining poetry.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||06/27/2020|
R78, thank you.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||06/27/2020|
I cannot imagine not knowing how to swim. We had a below ground pool growing up that was very deep on one end and shallow on the other. Lots of pool parties growing up! This is the equivalent of me buying a wild animal with zero knowledge of how the it behaves or how to feed it safely.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||06/27/2020|
Your privilege is showing R96
|by Anonymous||reply 97||06/27/2020|
R96, A wild animal, really? A more apt comparison would be a fifteen year old learning how to drive with the family in tow. And tragedy struck.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||06/27/2020|
It's a terrible story full of holes. Very tragic and grim. But something is up with this story. I say that as an idiot who didn't learn to swim until ten years ago as an adult. I was a hellion on land, very daredevilish but I would never have risked my family's dying to save me by fucking around in water. Come on, the kid wasn't wearing any floation device? Doesn't make sense. We'll hear more about this.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||06/27/2020|
Will anyone think of all the Slurpees that won’t be sold?
|by Anonymous||reply 100||06/27/2020|
A poor substitute for the Holy Ganges and rather out of the accepted order of things.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||06/27/2020|
Why the hell were they going in fully clothed? They seem afraid of water. I live in the pnw and have noticed when it rains even in the summer Indian immigrants bundle up in winter coats with hoods.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||06/27/2020|
"New Jersey" is a separate nationality.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||06/27/2020|
Indians are very status driven.
Must have a pool to show off to the other Indians.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||06/27/2020|
Well the bar up there must be set very low if showing off an above ground pool is a thing. Where I live you only see those things behind trailers out in the country or very cheap crackerbox houses in crappy neighborhoods.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||06/27/2020|
"Here I come to save the daaaay..."
|by Anonymous||reply 106||06/27/2020|
[quote] Why the hell were they going in fully clothed?
They were going in fully closed trying to save the child.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||06/27/2020|
Lots of real estate turnover in that neighborhood as of late!
|by Anonymous||reply 108||06/27/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 109||06/27/2020|
I agree there is more to learn about this peculiar incident.
But it is an interesting cultural observation that many Indians do not swim. My close Sikh friends are this way as well. The last thing they're interested to do is swim or sun bathe which darkens their beautiful golden skin
|by Anonymous||reply 110||06/27/2020|
Well that's just Sikh!
|by Anonymous||reply 111||06/27/2020|
[quote] For those of you here who may not have learned to swim, and who might find themselves in this sort of unfortunate situation: if you’re in the deep end, use your legs as if you’re walking in place, with your toes pointing straight down. This will push you up towards the surface. Once you hit air, turn your face straight up, as if you’re looking straight up above you, while you’re still paddling toward the surface with your legs and feet, then extend each arm in a straight manner, at 90 degrees away from your torso. Lean back, and completely relax. Don’t move or resist the water, and you should be floating.
Thank you for posting this.
If I ever find myself in deep water and panicking, I’ll grab my cell phone from my swim trunks, get Datalounge open, do a search for this thread and be able to find this information.
You may have just saved a life.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||06/28/2020|
Lots of racism in this thread and plenty of weirdos
"I'd chain my kid to a fence!" -uh, if they did that you'd be calling them child abusers
|by Anonymous||reply 113||06/28/2020|
Has there been an inquest yet?
Do we have any answers? Can we rest easy?
|by Anonymous||reply 114||06/29/2020|
Perhaps the survivors should buy another above ground pool and see if it performs more satisfactorily.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||06/30/2020|
I mean...really? This doesn't sound right AT ALL. The whole goddamn family? Nah. There was kicking and screaming alright. As in trying to get away from the crazy patriarch.
Can you imagine finding them?
|by Anonymous||reply 116||06/30/2020|
Did they even buy the pool? Or did they just buy the house and it came with a pool?
|by Anonymous||reply 117||06/30/2020|
Why should we read the news story for you?
|by Anonymous||reply 118||06/30/2020|
GLUB, GLUB, GLUB.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||06/30/2020|
how many more people were going to die before someone called 911? Good thing that last one had the good sense to make a call instead of jumping in to “rescue” anyone.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||06/30/2020|
Indians aren't as smart as they like think they are.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||07/01/2020|
Americans aren't that smart either.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||07/01/2020|
Now's our big chance to swoop in and win The Scripps National Spelling Bee!
|by Anonymous||reply 123||07/01/2020|
[quote] Indians aren't as smart as they like think they are.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||07/01/2020|
Yes, if I saw someone drowning I would call 911 and wait for the EMS to show up.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||07/01/2020|
Or you could remove your caftan (which you were soon going to do anyway) and pull the drowning person to safety
|by Anonymous||reply 126||07/01/2020|
I would certainly try to help them out with mouth-to-dick resuscitation.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||07/01/2020|
R125, I’d use a pool skimmer to help them. Wouldn’t try to jump in.
A few years ago, I did pluck a toddler out of a pool at a barbecue. He slipped right in without a sound or fuss and started to sink. Absolutely silent. Luckily I was right there. His mother went white as a ghost after I hauled his spluttering, sodden-diapered ass out of the shallow end. It’s no joke.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||07/01/2020|
I still don’t understand how they all ended up dying though
|by Anonymous||reply 129||07/01/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 130||07/01/2020|
Drowning in their swimming pool they didn’t know how to use? So parvenu!
|by Anonymous||reply 131||07/01/2020|
The mother’s name is Nisha Patel
There was a Nisha Patel in the Adnan Syed case. Nisha was a witness claiming she saw him when he’s was supposed to be committing the murder.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||07/01/2020|
I’m sorry, but I still don’t quite understand how an above ground pool, basically a tank of water sitting on the ground, has a “deep end”. Slope or no slope, built in or not. If water always seeks its own level, was the pool just filled to 7’ deep? Or what? —curious enquirer
|by Anonymous||reply 133||07/01/2020|
RI hafta admit we have plenty of lakes and rivers around here to drown in
|by Anonymous||reply 134||07/01/2020|
R132 Patel is a common name but that would make all this make sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||07/02/2020|
R133, the bottom isn’t rigid (I know, I know). It’s just a stretchy liner that conforms to the ground beneath it. If you excavate a deep end, the liner will sink into it as the pool fills with water.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||07/05/2020|
it's weird. I can tread water, swim, float but both my parents struggle to do it because they sink like a rock. so I can see an issue, also I've never been in a body of water with full clothes on. Seems extremely claustrophobic and then panic comes in and hyperventilating water rushing into lungs and choking.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||07/05/2020|
I've never seen an above-ground pool with a "deep end". The article didn't show the other side of the pool. I wonder if the pool's wall appears to be the same height all around. If so, then the family might not have known that one side was so deep. 7 feet is deep water, even for an adult. These adults could have been five feet five; they could have jumped up from the bottom to the top and sunk again a few times before they became exhausted.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||07/05/2020|
You can see the deep area in this photo.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||07/05/2020|
Np, r139. You can't.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||07/06/2020|
Thank you come again.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||07/06/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 142||07/06/2020|
[quote] it's weird. I can tread water, swim, float but both my parents struggle to do it because they sink like a rock.
That’s because shit floats.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||07/06/2020|
I stand corrected. I visited an above-ground pool manufacturer's website, and above-ground pools can have deep ends.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||07/06/2020|
Was there a dime at the bottom of the pool?
|by Anonymous||reply 145||07/06/2020|
Alok Patel is safe we can confirm.
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