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The Karen/Becky meme has officially gone too far

Today, yet another “Karen” video went viral online. This time, it seems a woman flipped off a male driver, one Karlos Dillard, who then followed her home and filmed her as she melted down into hysterics, posting the video online, which included her home address and license plate. Over eight million views later (sure to be more by the time you read this), and Dillard is selling t-shirts based on the incident.

It seems this is a hobby for Dillard, who has posted other similarly antagonistic videos, accusing women of “racism” (despite no evidence of racism) in an attempt turn Karen virality into profit. Other t-shirts for sale on his Instagram profile include one with the words, “Karen… Are you OK?” and another reading, “Keep that same energy, Karen.”

The Karen meme has been misogynist from the getgo, originating from an anonymous male Reddit user, Fuck_You_Karen, who was angry at his ex-wife, named Karen, for taking custody of his children. In 2017, his misogynist rants became a subreddit, r/FuckYouKaren.

Recently, the meaning of “Karen” was said to refer specifically to middle class, middle aged white women who are so entitled they ask to speak to the manager when perturbed, but has since morphed into a specifically racist white woman, who “weaponizes” white, female fragility against largely black men. This connects to sexist tropes that claim women use their emotions, vulnerability, and tears to manipulate men.

What began as a joke has become more than that, and has moved into explicitly misogynist (and, in my opinion, dangerous) territory.

“Becky,” which originated as a means to refer to basic white women — the Uggs-wearing, Starbucks-buying, pumpkin spice-loving kind — probably young, probably blonde, probably not working class. Like “Karen,” I never found this to be particularly offensive, as I had little desire to defend boring people who love Starbucks, but what was once a joke has become something much more egregious.

Following someone to their home, doxxing, filming, and harassing them because they gave you the finger is unhinged. People are going to act like assholes in this world, and you need to learn to deal with that. Moreover, these viral videos, like the Amy Cooper/Christian Cooper bird watching/dog-off-the-leash incident, are always decontextualized. No one really knows what happened preceding the video, nor do they know why either party reacted as they did. We all know social media leaves little room for nuance, and far too many people enjoy a rage reaction over asking questions or considering they may not know the full story. The truth is that, today, people’s lives can be destroyed in an instant, via a viral post. And our culture is wielding that power with very little care.

While those participating in the mobs targeting the subjects of these currently popular Karen videos claim some form of racial justice, this is not an accurate representation.

This has little to do with race, and everything to do with a progressive left that has adopted woman-hating as political virtue signalling.

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by Anonymousreply 20706/30/2020

Last week, journalist and editor Jonathan Kay tweeted a “Wanted” poster he’d come across in Toronto, depicting a young, blonde, white woman. The text below her face mocked her as a “Basic Bitch” — privileged, entitled, and unwoke. The image and text presents “Becky” as dangerous — the new enemy. The A.C.A.B. (All Cops Are Bastards) logo on the poster implies it likely was produced and distributed by young anarchist men. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they were white men, considering the face of groups (or non-groups, depending on who you ask) like Antifa.

The trend of presenting women as a threat extends beyond Becky and Karen. In recent years, Antifa, anarchists, trans activists, and leftists have targeted feminists who question the impact of gender identity ideology on women’s rights as dangerous — even moreso than male predators. Rhetoric that claims “TERFs kill” intentionally erases the fact that it is men who are overwhelmingly responsible for violence against both women and men (including trans-identified males). As a result, reversing this claim to say “Kill TERFs” or to show up at events discussing gender identity with cardboard guillotines with the words “TERFs and SWERFs step right up” written on them has become an acceptable form of “activism.”

This has all happened within a left that has consistently ignored and even defended the misogyny, racism, and violence of prostitution and pornography, painting women who fight the sex trade as “whorephobic” and as causing harm to “sex workers.” Everyone knows who is responsible for the abuse that happens to women in porn and prostitution. We can see it on PornHub or we can read about it in the news. Yet the left consistently fails to hold those men accountable for the harm they cause. No, no. The real problem is women. Terms like “TERF” (which means “trans exclusionary radical feminist,” but, in practice, is used to smear anyone who questions gender identity legislation or ideology) and “SWERF” (which means “sex worker exclusionary radical feminist,” but is used to smear women — even women who have worked in the sex trade — who wish to stop the universal violence and exploitation inherent to prostitution) exist to misrepresent, vilify, and end conversation. One cannot defend a “TERF” or “SWERF” anymore than one can defend a “Karen” or “Becky,” unless they would like to be pilloried as unwoke and bigoted themselves.

by Anonymousreply 106/24/2020

A few years ago, trans activists and their progressive allies adopted the term “cis” to refer to those whose “gender identity matches their sex.” Putting aside the fact that no one’s “gender identity” matches their sex, as whether or not a person is male or female has nothing to do with whether or not they identify with a list of sexist gender stereotypes, the term “cis” is said to denote “privilege.” This means that a woman who understands she is female is, as per trans ideology, “privileged” over a man who desires to be viewed as a woman or who does not feel connected to masculine stereotypes. This is ridiculous, of course, as women are impacted by sexism on account of being born female, and are vulnerable to male violence regardless of how they identify. Understanding one is female does not make a woman “privileged,” it makes her a sane human being. In other words, “cis” or “cisprivilege” completely erases the reality of sexism and male violence against women. Suddenly, we are to believe women pose a threat to males who identify as transgender. Just as we are now to believe “Becky” and “Karen” are so dangerous they deserve to be hated, harassed, and destroyed. Maybe punched. Maybe worse.

This is, I’m afraid, woman-hating. And it is dangerous. The popularity of the Karen meme has led people to seek out and invent Karens in order to gain followers and profit, as evidenced by Dillard’s racket. And rhetoric that positions feminists as dangerous, harmful “TERFs” has led to the acceptance of open violent threats against women, simply for speaking out in defense of women’s rights and spaces. Karen, Becky, SWERF, and TERF are nothing more than excuses to hate women. And I am tired of people participating and defending this misogyny simply because it is on trend, and because it results in applause from the male centered left.

Yes, women can be assholes. Yes, women can be racist. No, women are not all innocent victims. But this has become about much more than calling out annoying, racist, or entitled behaviour. And, in fact, I think it was always about more than that. Let’s stop this before someone gets (literally) hurt.

by Anonymousreply 206/24/2020

Nothing marks you as a Karen more than wanting to speak to the manager about all these Karen memes!

by Anonymousreply 306/24/2020

Right on time, r3, just like the MAGAt trolls...

by Anonymousreply 406/24/2020

A few tightly written sentences about jumping to conclusions would have sufficed. More communication is not better communication.

by Anonymousreply 506/24/2020

He's a sociopath and grifter, this dude. Apparently, he was marketing himself as a Black gay atheist Trump supporter back in 2016. And as the cultural pendulum as swung back to being woke, now he's doing this.

by Anonymousreply 606/24/2020

I'm on the fence about the appropriateness of doxxing someone for social misbehavior, but the asshole mentioned at the start of the linked article is clearly a sociopathic jerk. It's a wonder the Trump administration hasn't found a place for him.

But maybe Gavin McInnes will come calling.

by Anonymousreply 706/24/2020

On the fence r7? In what situation is it appropriate to doxx someone who cut you off in traffic? It's absurd and unhinged.

by Anonymousreply 806/24/2020

She called him a nigger.

Watching the video - she's a fucking psycho. She knows that if she is identified she will lose her job/everything else.

by Anonymousreply 906/24/2020

Karlos Dillard has a restraining order against him for following another woman.

Some of this shit is emboldening black people to not let anything go. Seriously - imagine if gay people started doing this to black people using homophobic slurs.

by Anonymousreply 1006/24/2020

[quote] Seriously - imagine if gay people started doing this to black people using homophobic slurs.

We should.

by Anonymousreply 1106/24/2020

My issue with this Dillard video is that we don't know what happened because he didn't video anything but the confrontation. Finding out he's done this before and has a restraining order makes me think it was a set-up.

I don't think this is "emboldening black people" and I'd say that's a borderline racist comment. This Dillard guy is a rightwinger and they always go too far when it comes to making themselves look like a victim, and it has nothing to do with race. Trumpsters and Repugs LOVE to pretend to be victims, and he's no different than the millions of white people who do the same thing.

by Anonymousreply 1206/24/2020

r10, gay people wouldn't do that. And the straight men doing this aren't targeting other men. They're targeting women.

by Anonymousreply 1306/24/2020

Karen videos aren't targeting anybody. They're usually just allowing bigots to reveal themselves.

by Anonymousreply 1406/24/2020

R13 makes a good point. Most of the outrage (beyond the Karen videos) is people on the left attacking each other. Similar to trannies attacking gay people and allies rather than protesting at right wing organisations.

by Anonymousreply 1506/24/2020

Or women attacking trans folx rather Trump.

by Anonymousreply 1606/24/2020

r15 and it is people with questionable agendas leading the attacks on other leftists.

by Anonymousreply 1706/24/2020

So one creepy black guy uses the Karen meme for personal gain and therefor all white privilege is okay! Because: FEMINISM!!!

Sounds like Trump logic.

by Anonymousreply 1806/24/2020

r18 isn't much of a thinker.

by Anonymousreply 1906/24/2020

If Karens don't want to be doxxed, then don't disrespect black men and call them the n word. It's not difficult to avoid the situation.

by Anonymousreply 2006/24/2020

It's always women who lose their reputations

Even with a man in the White House that has had no check on his depredations and depraved behaviour.

by Anonymousreply 2106/24/2020

We don't know that she called him anything though, do we? He didn't record that part.

I haven't questioned any of the other "Karen" videos because we've seen what they did in them. We don't see anything in this video except him confronting her. That's my problem with it.

And I don't trust all the people saying this guy is beyond reproach when he's a Repug who has been trying to go viral for weeks with Karen videos.

by Anonymousreply 2206/24/2020

All these women in the Karen videos should lose their reputations.

Not that they really have them in real life to begin with though.

by Anonymousreply 2306/24/2020

This guy is a nut though, R23. I agree that I enjoy the exposure these racist people who are caught on camera saying and doing deplorable things. But Stalking a woman for blocks for an interaction that we have no proof happened... Watch who you condemn based on groupthink before it happens to you.

by Anonymousreply 2406/24/2020

Karens United is attacking him. That's all we know.

by Anonymousreply 2506/24/2020

Awww, poor misandrist OP. Entitled shit stirring white women are FINALLY getting some cummupance and you can’t handle it, can you?

The “Karen” meme has nothing to do with homicidal or deranged men who stalk and harm women, and you know it. This little effort you and you’re kind are trying to make happen, to scare everybody back in to the #MeToo closet just isn’t gonna work. Maybe that’s because you and all the other Karen‘s took it too far with the bullshit.

Strap your bra on like a big girl and deal with it hon. You are no longer a specially protected class. As a matter fact, you’re a big part of the problem and Karma has arrived.

by Anonymousreply 2606/24/2020

r26, don't even try to pretend you're a gay man. Don't even try, incel.

by Anonymousreply 2706/24/2020

[quote] She called him a nigger.

No she didn’t. There is no proof of that at all and this guy’s whole thing is claiming women say that as a means for him to harass them.

But you seem very comfortable with that word.

by Anonymousreply 2806/24/2020

What interests me about the Karen meme (which, by the way, is sexist, no matter how you slice it) is that it shows that the left is willing to employ sexism in the battle against racism. It's kind of fascinating.

by Anonymousreply 2906/24/2020

I thought "Becky" is traced to "Baby Got Back".

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by Anonymousreply 3006/24/2020

Gotta do it for the ‘gram!

Nothing says “you are a worthwhile person” like a viral video. People are desperate for praise. It’s sad.

by Anonymousreply 3106/24/2020

[quote] This has little to do with race, and everything to do with a progressive left that has adopted woman-hating as political virtue signalling.

Oh, so, this is the Breitbart meme du jour?

Yawn.

by Anonymousreply 3206/24/2020

OP=frau cunt Karen

by Anonymousreply 3306/24/2020

Nothing triggers all the fraus who have invaded this website like the Karen meme.

It's like garlic to vampires.

by Anonymousreply 3406/24/2020

[Quote]Seriously - imagine if gay people started doing this to black people using homophobic slurs.

Or if gay people started doing this to white people, especially straight-acting, hawt, dude bros, using homophobic slurs?

Oh, wait a minute. Never mind...

by Anonymousreply 3506/24/2020

Strange how this thread emerged during UK daytime. Hmmm... Is that you, Posie?

by Anonymousreply 3606/24/2020

[quote]Strange how this thread emerged during UK daytime

All over the internet, there are a whole lotta Brits who are heavily interested in American politics. I wasn't surprised when it started happening here, it was happening a lot on Twitter in the overnight hours, too.

They get real mad when you point that out.

by Anonymousreply 3706/24/2020

OP:Agree with you 💯 %

by Anonymousreply 3806/24/2020

[quote]All over the internet, there are a whole lotta Brits who are heavily interested in American politics. I wasn't surprised when it started happening here, it was happening a lot on Twitter in the overnight hours, too. They get real mad when you point that out.

I notice the same on this site, but especially in terms of trans stuff. Almost all the anti-trans stuff seems to be coming from Britain and when you mention it they shrivel up.

I don't know if they're Russian pretending to be British or what, but it's very strange.

by Anonymousreply 3906/24/2020

r33 / r34 = MRAs who find that "Karen" suits their needs perfectly.

Another interesting aspect of the Karen meme is that women who call out its inherent sexism are shut down and called "Karens"

by Anonymousreply 4006/24/2020

Those are the right wing TERFS from the UK who first took over Mumsnet, which was this benign British board for mothers to trade parenting advice. They've been trying to infiltrate and embed themselves in this site for several years now, around the same time the Donkeyteeth and his "interns" showed up here. Even the NYT wrote about their takeover of Mumsnet.

by Anonymousreply 4106/24/2020

True and they're more bold about branching out into other threads now as well, R39, this one being a good example.

by Anonymousreply 4206/24/2020

It's the left's version of the war on women.

by Anonymousreply 4306/24/2020

Here's yet another Karen, harassing two black guys for eating without a mask on, while there is another white guy right behind her doing the same thing.

In the case of Amy Cooper with regards to context, yes we did get more context of the incident. The guy filmed what was going on prior to the cops arriving. She was caught red handed playing the white damsel in distress and carrying on irrationally - because she was so appalled at him dare asking her to keep her dog on a leash. She's also a horrible pet owner. She was weaponizing the fact that she's a woman and she's white - which could have been a death sentence for him. She was carrying on with 911 as though she was about to get raped/murdered by some big scary black man, when all it turns out was that he was a guy guy out in the park bird watching. That's not sexism/misogyny imo.

Same goes with "Kroger Karen", it was another woman who was video taping her and called the cops on her. How is that sexist/misogynist?

With the case of Lisa Alexander and her husband Robert harassing a guy for stenciling "black lives matter" on *his own property, how is that inherently sexist/misogynistic? He got the "context" on tape of the encounter. He's the property owner, and they were harassing him because he was a person of color. They both lost their jobs as a result.

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So, the transcultists have been ordered to silence gays and lesbians on a gay website. Very progressive of you. Just keep proving our point for us. And it's fucking sad that you don't realize the vast majority of the world thoroughly disagrees with your mission to decimate sex-based rights and protections. The majority of the world believes in science.

by Anonymousreply 4506/24/2020

[Quote]Another interesting aspect of the Karen meme is that women who call out its inherent sexism are shut down and called "Karens"

No different from this board where posters, who express any dissenting opinion are ascribed a female persona and branded, "Frau."

by Anonymousreply 4606/24/2020

Does anyone need more evidence of why trans-identifying men should not be allowed into women's single sex spaces than their own self-expressed violent hatred of women?

by Anonymousreply 4706/24/2020

The Karen meme stems from white women being racist/classist and demeaning to people who work in the service industry or anyone they deem to be "beneath" them due to their social status or ethnicity.

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by Anonymousreply 4806/24/2020

A Karen at Startbucks throwing her drink at a female Starbucks employee after berating her.

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by Anonymousreply 4906/24/2020

Absolutely, R48, but it's become a fad and now any woman is described as a "Karen," usually by younger kids who don't get it and are just bored and looking for drama. Yesterday I saw some tweets calling 20-year-old white protesters with anti-Trump signs "Karens." That's about the furthest thing from being a Karen as possible.

by Anonymousreply 5006/24/2020

A lot of the "white women protesters are Karens" stuff comes from Trumpsters. "The left are the real racists because protesters are yelling at black cops."

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by Anonymousreply 5106/24/2020

Karlson Dillard has made a nice little career out of stalking, antagonizing, and recording women, hasn’t he? I guess it beats having a real job.

The man is clearly unhinged....we never see what leads up to the meltdown. He somehow forgets to record THAT part!

And yet, some on this thread vigorously defend him.

Typical DL, huh?

by Anonymousreply 5206/24/2020

^Karlos^

This is a name and shame culture, so I would not want Karlos Dillard to be denied his due by spelling his name wrong!

by Anonymousreply 5306/24/2020

So many Karen cunts in this thread.

So many Karen cunts on this site.

Leave. We fucking hate you.

You’re not welcome here.

Fucking leave, frau cunts.

by Anonymousreply 5406/24/2020

Is r54 supposed to convince us that the Karen meme is NOT sexist?

by Anonymousreply 5506/24/2020

Karlos with a "K" is worse than Marko with a "k." Avoid anyone with those names. Nothing good awaits there.

by Anonymousreply 5606/24/2020

The Karen meme is definitely problematic and misogynist. The fact is, the driver of most problematic issues in this country are STRAIGHT WHITE MEN.

by Anonymousreply 5706/24/2020

Karlos Dillard arrests and convictions: harassment, use of weapons, assault, offer to commit prostitution, resisting arrest, malicious mischief, disorderly conduct, obstructing the law, numerous traffic offenses

by Anonymousreply 5806/24/2020

Is he gay? Too lazy to search.

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by Anonymousreply 5906/24/2020

Maybe we'll get memes about the endless white guys, older men, who don't want to wear a mask. Nah, women are easier targets.

by Anonymousreply 6006/24/2020

[quote] Is he gay? Too lazy to search.

Yes. He tried to market himself as the Gay Conservative Atheist and bragged about voting for Dump.

by Anonymousreply 6106/24/2020

Karlos Danger

by Anonymousreply 6206/24/2020

I don’t care what you think, Karen/R55.

by Anonymousreply 6306/24/2020

It is fun to watch the Karen’s and Becky’s of the world being taken down a notch. These “females” have been screeching “I am Woman!” for far too long, and their demands for attention get them no respect because they become ridiculously obnoxious while doing it. I’ve met my share of gay male versions of “Karen’s” and “Becky’s”, and they are basically horrible people. Watch subtly how they react when you go out of your way to ignore their antics. They can’t take it. Young women in the office get all bent out of shape if they aren’t the queen bee or find out that when they act up, someone comes along with a bigger stinger and deadlier venom.

by Anonymousreply 6406/24/2020

[quote]It is fun to watch the Karen’s and Becky’s of the world being taken down a notch.

Oh, but isn't it? Always nice to see the women put back in their place.

This is really what this meme is about. If it were about racism, truly, we'd be seeing just as many viral videos featuring men.

by Anonymousreply 6506/24/2020

R64 Oh, dear!

Karens and Beckys

by Anonymousreply 6606/24/2020

R65=Hot flashing Karen

by Anonymousreply 6706/24/2020

They’re both assholes.

If she knew that he was following her, she should have driven to the police station instead of her home. He wouldn’t have been so confident to pull that crap there, not with his record.

But she didn’t, because she knew her own actions hadn’t been so righteous in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 6806/24/2020

I'll tell you what, sweetheart/OP and others: When white women who despite having done nothing wrong, get spit on or attacked or blamed for the actions of actual "Karens" and "Beckys" anywhere it happens on the planet and the president of the United States tweets out video of a "Karen" or "Becky" solely to foment hatred for ALL white women even if they aren't a "Karen" or "Becky," get back to me.

My God, the absolute fragility. Do you even understand that THIS is what white privilege is? It takes virtually no real hardship to set you off and make you play victim?

Having said that, he is an asshole - but don't pretend he's the more common player in these scenarios.

by Anonymousreply 6906/24/2020

This guy seems like a nut who should be reported to the police....again. I could barely make out what the woman was saying, she was so hysterical.

by Anonymousreply 7006/24/2020

Wow. That was practically like watching the Cooper video again. Black gay antagonizes (and in the Cooper video threatens harm against pet) white woman and starts filming once she is hysterical and frightened. So brave!

Oh, I did notice that this guys defenders stopped trying to insist that she used the N word when challenged on it here. So maybe that is progress.

I mean, if that's what you get off on, fine. I hope you follow me home one night after you pull out in front of me and get the finger. Of course you wouldn't, because I am a guy and you probably have a good idea what would happen if you came nancing into my driveway. Best to stick with threatening and stalking women because you are such men.

by Anonymousreply 7106/24/2020

He admits he cut off her right of way r68.

I’d have to drive three miles out of my way to get to the nearest precinct in an area I don’t usually use for travel. I’m sure she thought heading home and locking the door was safer/closer.

by Anonymousreply 7206/24/2020

There are no male equivalents of Karen’s or Beckys. Occasionally someone will suggest a Brad or Chad, but they don’t take off. White men are filmed doing obnoxious things, but they aren’t stereotyped into an ugly trope. As any retail worker can tell you, assholes are not primarily one type of person.

by Anonymousreply 7306/24/2020

What's the backstory on why "Karen" and "Becky" were chosen?

by Anonymousreply 7406/24/2020

R74

The names originated on Black Twitter as being quintessential white women names. When black women were talking about a bad experience they had with a white woman they’d use those names. They eventually made their way to Reddit and then Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 7506/24/2020

No, R54 is one of the trolls we have who say whatever they think will cause people to freak out and flame each other.

I don't know why he's so effective, he's hilariously transparent. Goes into any thread on any topic and says something over-the-top usually singling one person out.

by Anonymousreply 7606/24/2020

[Quote]This guy seems like a nut who should be reported to the police....again. I could barely make out what the woman was saying, she was so hysterical.

Again, she was not hysterical. She was putting on an act (weaponizing her presumed fragility) for the audience so they would take her side. Clearly, they fell for the bait. She gets sympathy and back rubs, while the big black menacing beast is ushered away to buy enough time to alert the police if deemed appropriate. Notice this woefully wronged woman has not come out with a statement? She could easily have come out and said the guy is a bold face liar.

by Anonymousreply 7706/24/2020

Enough, R77. You've been suggesting conspiracy theories this whole thread. Stop. She wasn't putting on an act because she had planned with malice aforethought to play on the culture's tendency to feel sorry for white women. She was hysterical and freaking out.

No one is demanding the "black beast" be arrested. Christ, that rhetoric is practically propaganda.

by Anonymousreply 7806/24/2020

White women do weaponise their womanness.

Fact.

by Anonymousreply 7906/24/2020

[quote]She was hysterical and freaking out.

Bullshit, R77/Karen.

Bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 8006/24/2020

Why didn’t she run from him if she was that freaked out, Karen/R77?

by Anonymousreply 8106/24/2020

R77 sounds unhinged.

While I can almost see its point in the Cooper tape. (it's the same person who couldn't accept the fact that people didn't agree with his interpretation of events in all those threads), there is no real logical basis in defending this punk and piling on the white lady. Whenever you see them repeat themselves with "Again" it is that queen. For some reason thinking that constantly repeating themselves makes a point.

This case is just simple harassment. She should have just called the cops when she got home or en route. Or shot his nelly fame seeking ass.

by Anonymousreply 8206/24/2020

Maybe she didn’t want to be a Karen and call the cops.

by Anonymousreply 8306/24/2020

They’re in on it together to sell merchandise.

by Anonymousreply 8406/24/2020

[quote]This time, it seems a woman flipped off a male driver, one Karlos Dillard, who then followed her home and filmed her as she melted down into hysterics, posting the video online, which included her home address and license plate.

Of course, the rendition of facts surrounding the initial statement are false and inaccurate. Based on reports, this is not what actually happened.

by Anonymousreply 8506/24/2020

[Quote]This case is just simple harassment. She should have just called the cops when she got home or en route. Or shot his nelly fame seeking ass.

Better yet, she can refrain from spewing racist shit at fellow motorists. How about that?

by Anonymousreply 8606/24/2020

Uppity niglet.

by Anonymousreply 8706/24/2020

Play that tape for us R86.

by Anonymousreply 8806/24/2020

I think of a Karen more as an entitled middle-aged white woman who complains about bad customer service and noisy neighbors. Some of these women who have been labeled as Karens in these videos are just downright racists who happen to be women. Most of them are Trump supporters and they're all becoming unglued by a combination of things lately - the BLM movement, Covid-19, and Trump's presidency being in jeopardy.

by Anonymousreply 8906/24/2020

"What interests me about the Karen meme (which, by the way, is sexist, no matter how you slice it) is that it shows that the left is willing to employ sexism in the battle against racism. It's kind of fascinating."

Women are always pressured/forced to put their own interests and well-being last for the "greater good". On this board and in real life, objecting to the violent misogyny of Islam is "racism".

by Anonymousreply 9006/24/2020

Go back to Michfest, R90.

White women in America are entitled beyond belief.

by Anonymousreply 9106/24/2020

Can we now start calling men who stalk and harass women for Instagram views Karloses?

Then we can have dozens of DL threads along the lines of “Karlos in Kalamazoo posts video of woman he does not know, but FORGETS to include footage of the taunting, baiting and threats he used to elicit the reaction he wanted!”

Oh, wait, this is DL, where people with the cognitive ability to critically view a piece of profit-generating Internet footage are few and far between! Never mind.

Someday, Karlos is going to mess with the wrong woman, and it won’t be pretty. Hopefully, some passer-by will post THAT footage, because I doubt he will.

by Anonymousreply 9206/24/2020

[quote]Someday, Karlos is going to mess with the wrong woman, and it won’t be pretty.

Incitement to violence never is. R92. So don't do it.

by Anonymousreply 9306/24/2020

“Karlos In South Florida Melts Down When Told He Has to Wear a Mask!”

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by Anonymousreply 9406/24/2020

“Self-Proclaimed ‘Comedian’ Karlos Rants About COVID-19 Bailouts”

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by Anonymousreply 9506/24/2020

If DL doesn’t change its ways, the white straight women are going to leave DL and never come back.

by Anonymousreply 9606/24/2020

[quote]Women are always pressured/forced to put their own interests and well-being last for the "greater good". On this board and in real life, objecting to the violent misogyny of Islam is "racism".

You're incredibly ignorant if you still think a lot of Muslim women are these uneducated, silent idiots walking six paces behind a man - that's where the "racism" comes into play with people like you. You have only one definition of what it is to be Muslim and you insist upon sticking to that very narrow and nefarious stereotype whether through an agenda where you benefit from vilifying over a billion people or just plain old ignorance. Don't assume you're smarter than everyone else on this. We know exactly what we stand for. You're the one who can't accept your myopic viewpoint is the problem.

And what's funny to me is most of the hate/attacks I see towards Muslim WOMEN is from people like yourself who care so much about "misogyny" that you specifically target the easily identifiable targets - the women who wear a scarf. Just like the neocons concerns for Saddam killing his own people because they'd prefer we killed them instead.

by Anonymousreply 9706/24/2020

You mean even New York has Karloses?! Say it ain’t so!

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by Anonymousreply 9806/24/2020

[quote] Yesterday I saw some tweets calling 20-year-old white protesters with anti-Trump signs "Karens." That's about the furthest thing from being a Karen as possible.

If they were being Karens, they’re Karens.

by Anonymousreply 9906/24/2020

R99 = Karlos!

by Anonymousreply 10006/24/2020

"White women in America are entitled beyond belief."

Sure, that is why I suppose they commit most mass shootings, you dumb twat.

by Anonymousreply 10106/24/2020

No, R101, they just raise the entitled men who commit those mass shootings.

by Anonymousreply 10206/24/2020

[quote] If she knew that he was following her, she should have driven to the police station instead of her home. He wouldn’t have been so confident to pull that crap there, not with his record. But she didn’t, because she knew her own actions hadn’t been so righteous in the first place.

That's not true. Her husband is black. She didn't call the police because she knows what a bunch of racists many of them are. She knows that calling the police on a black man can be a death sentence

He's a race traitor. That's nothing new. Slavery never would have existed without people like karlos helping white imperialists

by Anonymousreply 10306/24/2020

I supposed the “Karen” campaign is to be expected. Time after time, history has shown that whenever women have made significant gains in the workforce (emasculating!), the mainstream media is right there to fuel the backlash and take them down a notch or two.

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by Anonymousreply 10406/24/2020

[quote]Sure, that is why I suppose they commit most mass shootings, you dumb twat.

DL has a dumb dyke who reacts to any criticism of women with, "What about male serial killers, hmmm? What about mass shooters???"

What about them, ya cunt? Are serial killers and mass shooters the ONLY criminally entitled people?

What about Munchhausen moms (and they're ALWAYS moms or otherwise women) who kill their children just for the fucking attention? Why don't man-haters like you never talk about that?

by Anonymousreply 10506/24/2020

r105 is a mother-hating MRA, clearly.

Do work out your issues in therapy and leave the DL alone, dear.

by Anonymousreply 10606/24/2020

I love my mom, actually, ya weirdo.

by Anonymousreply 10706/24/2020

Gotta love how deranged feminism is. If I so much as acknowledge the existence of Munchhausen moms, that means I hate my own mom.

by Anonymousreply 10806/24/2020

But if people stop baiting middle-aged women to make "Karen" videos, what will Edwin post constantly to Datalounge? especially since we're all sick of his endless TikTok videos.

by Anonymousreply 10906/24/2020

This is the most frau things that I've ever read.

by Anonymousreply 11006/24/2020

R105 = Karlos!

by Anonymousreply 11106/24/2020

r110 so your idea of 'frau' is a stalking victim? Weird.

by Anonymousreply 11206/24/2020

I've criticized aspects of online feminism over the last few years and never bought into the idea of women as morally flawless. That being said, it's degenerated into a very American form of misogyny. It's essentially rage, hatred, and blame for all of societys ills blamed on "uppity " and assertive women. Americans have a lot of anger at women who aren't seen as passive and girlish and this is a reflection of that. Seeing certain people on the left cheer the public humiliation of a random person for being rude in traffic leaves me thinking "Meet the new boss, same as the old one "

by Anonymousreply 11306/24/2020

r113 Women also like to pose as saints. The better-than-thou cuntiness really went overboard during the #MeToo saga. And that kind of attitude creates resentment.

But to be honest, I don't even know if the two are related. It's not men as a whole, after all, who are at the forefront of the media war against the "Karens". It's black people, of both sexes. And this is not so recent. In the past decade, wasn't there a black writer who wrote an NYT column about the fact that white women don't seem to recognize his existence, even at the most basic level, the physical-spatial? When he goes out into the street, he said, he tries to dodge people so as not to bump into them, and people, too, are careful not to bump into him - everyone is like that, except white women. They walk like a trailblazer, with no care for other passersby.

I myself believe that there is a truth to these trivial observations - that white women do have a kind of princess complex, a belief that they are entitled to receiving delicate treatment from others without giving back the same care.

This rhetoric is being abused by at least a few people at the moment, but that doesn’t mean that “Karen” isn’t a real phenomenon, just as #MeToo abuses don’t mean that women employed in the entertainment industry don’t suffer from harassment from their bosses and co-workers.

by Anonymousreply 11406/24/2020

According to his IG, she followed him and actually got out of her car to have a go at him. Don't know who to believe, but her histrionics are obviously are contrived.

by Anonymousreply 11506/24/2020

Now, I can agree with R114. There is definitely truth to the fact that white women get put on a pedestal growing up. Especially white guys who are pursuing an outdated construct of romanticism dating back to the Bard. There is no way it can not have its impact. Some grow up, some don't. But it is a world I am unfamiliar with.

"Some of us have great stories, pretty stories that take place at lakes, with boats, and friends, and noodle salad. Just no one in this car. But, a lot of people, that's their story; good times, noodle salad. What makes it so hard is not that you had it bad, but that you're that pissed that so many others had it good."

by Anonymousreply 11606/24/2020

"No, [R101], they just raise the entitled men who commit those mass shootings.

Funny, nothing men say or do is ever their own fault, according to you. Your mother certainly fucked up..

by Anonymousreply 11706/24/2020

White straight women invading a site where they don’t belong and acting like they are entitled to do it is a very Karen thing to do. It’s not surprising that the invasive Karens are offended by “Karen”.

by Anonymousreply 11806/24/2020

R92=bloated, puffy Karen who needs to wax her forearms.

by Anonymousreply 11906/24/2020

I applaud this man , his efforts should be celebrated not despised. She clearly is an entitled bi-polar mess that needs residential treatment. I am glad this has been shared , more people should do the same .

by Anonymousreply 12006/24/2020

R120 = Karlos

by Anonymousreply 12106/24/2020

I’d love to see Karlos Dillard try his stunts on a man. But he only goes after women.

Let’s see if the mainstream media calls him on it.

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I really dislike Karlos Dillard. He’s a Trump supporting gay, black, atheist who’s been trying to go viral for years. He appears in a series of videos for the YouTube channel “Cut”(I’m not linking them) where he always comes across as rude, uneducated and ignorant. His mother had to call him out publicly telling him to stop clout chasing by saying he had a tough childhood. He’s a nasty right wing nut job who’s conveniently jumped on the BLM wagon.

by Anonymousreply 12306/24/2020

R121=pathetic, menopausal Karen

by Anonymousreply 12406/24/2020

6/24/2020 7:45 AM UPDATE: Twitter has temporarily suspended Dillard’s account.

6/24/2020 3:15 PM UPDATE: Karlos Dillard has broken his silence and spoken with Insider‘s Rachel E. Greenspan. Dillard’s very own testimony, when corroborated against Google Maps, suggests that he completely invented the merging/cutoff incident. Because, as I documented in the two tweets below, much of the geography of that neighborhood doesn’t allow for two lane streets. We know from the brake chase video that he started pursuing the Geo Woman on Summit Street. He has claimed in another video that Melrose Avenue was where the two lanes merged into one. But I’ve run Google Street View along that sector and it’s one lane in both directions across every stretch of the way. Additionally, the only place he could have merged from when he alleges that he and the Geo Woman circled was along East Olive Street or East Pine Street. And I don’t see a place where there were two lanes. It now occurs to me that the fact that Dillard has been sketchy and nebulous about the location where the cutoff happened leads further credence that it was completely invented.

by Anonymousreply 12506/24/2020

Karlos is vile even in friendly situations. Here he is showing his best side.

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by Anonymousreply 12606/24/2020

None of this is surprising at all. Too bad we can't fact check that bully Chris Cooper.

by Anonymousreply 12706/24/2020

r120. You are clearly going to wake up with fleas.

by Anonymousreply 12806/24/2020

It’s always satisfying to watch when those who exploit, manipulate, and profit from the cancel culture get canceled themselves. Right, Karlos?

by Anonymousreply 12906/24/2020

[quote]None of this is surprising at all. Too bad we can't fact check that bully Chris Cooper.

Chris Cooper’s video had enough context. Central Park Karen was really trying to bring death by cop to him. The build up to “I’m being harassed by an African American man” was well captured.

by Anonymousreply 13006/24/2020

^ “an African American man is threatening me and my dog”.

by Anonymousreply 13106/24/2020

Karlos is an evil, evil man. So she cut him off in traffic and even gave him the finger. It’s called the reality of driving. It pisses you off, but that’s it, Only a complete freak and lunatic would follow a stranger like that. And when she starts screaming and gets hysterical, only a complete sadist would hang around like that. In terms of that situation, I think she ended up suffering a lot more than he did. I understand why she was screaming: because that guy was threatening to end her whole life (apart from stopping her heartbeat) with his camera.

by Anonymousreply 13206/24/2020

It seems really simple; don’t use derogatory terms for people if you don’t want derogatory terms used for you...

by Anonymousreply 13306/24/2020

He’s been trying for internet fame for years even throwing his own mother under the bus. Karlos Dillard should forever be cancelled.

by Anonymousreply 13406/24/2020

R1, I find your comment, “ People are going to act like assholes in this world, and you need to learn to deal with that” interesting. I don’t abide entrapment, but I find it refreshing that assholes get theirs. Proper decorum has broken down in this country while hypocrisy runs rampant. I am glad we all must think twice before behaving badly.

by Anonymousreply 13506/24/2020

Chris cooper's video was EXACTLY like this. By the time the film starts rolling the woman is already practically in tears because she thinks he is going to do something to her dog that "she won't like."

Would you like to dispute any of those facts, R130?

by Anonymousreply 13606/24/2020

R136 Amy Cooper did intend to get Chris cooper killed by cop, but that thing about “I am going to do something you don’t like” and trying to give some unknown substance to her dog is very menacing. I am shocked that people didn’t make more of that.

by Anonymousreply 13706/24/2020

If I am told I am not following a rule, my impulse is to confirm the rule, comply and ensure harmony. Am I the minority?

by Anonymousreply 13806/24/2020

[quote]Following someone to their home, doxxing, filming, and harassing them because they gave you the finger is unhinged.

This. Which is why I agree with both R135 and R1. The lack of thought behind the cyber flaying reflex is deeply concerning. I didn’t feel sorry for that hysterical woman in the Karlos video but I thought her terror was real. No one gets that unhinged for effect. She was repellent. I’m amazed anyone came near her.

by Anonymousreply 13906/24/2020

R138 No, you're just a follower. So you're in the majority, actually.

by Anonymousreply 14006/24/2020

[quote]Amy Cooper did intend to get Chris cooper killed by cop

You really can't be serious. Do you actually believe that an entitled woman would ever think of anyone other than herself for more than 5 seconds, let alone long enough to concoct a scheme for premeditated murder against a total stranger?? That's why I agree with the second part of your comment. He was obviously threatening her dog off camera, but because of the political climate, he gets a pass. I must say though, your cognitive dissonance should concern you.

by Anonymousreply 14106/24/2020

Do you actually believe that it's going to stop at just Twitter mobs, R135?

[quote]while hypocrisy runs rampant

Indeed.

by Anonymousreply 14206/24/2020

It seems an obvious point, but women do actually get followed and attacked and raped by strangers. My sister has a permanent limp and scars all over her body from throwing herself out of a speeding car. A guy grabbed her from a bus stop. She wouldn’t be alive today if she hadn’t done what she did to escape. So, sometimes women get hysterical out of fear. It’s not all unicorns and princess dresses being a girl or woman.

by Anonymousreply 14306/24/2020

So many frau Cunt Karens in this thread.

And they're so stupid they just don't get how much we hate them.

Keep posting, Karens. Prove to the menfolk how stupid you are.

by Anonymousreply 14406/24/2020

No one will ever fuck you, R144.

But you already know that.

by Anonymousreply 14506/24/2020

No one fucks YOU, Karen/R145.

But we already knew that.

by Anonymousreply 14606/24/2020

eh I don't feel bad for her.

White cunts have been getting away with being domestic terrorists for too long

by Anonymousreply 14706/24/2020

[quote]If I am told I am not following a rule, my impulse is to confirm the rule, comply and ensure harmony. Am I the minority?

Ummm.... have you not noticed the millions of people who refuse to wear a mask?

by Anonymousreply 14806/24/2020

R147 Did you literally just call a woman a domestic terrorist because of her skin color? Keep that same energy for radical Muslims who want to kill gays 👌

by Anonymousreply 14906/24/2020

Exactly r143!

It’s reasonable for a woman to freak out if somebody follows her home and starts harassing her.

by Anonymousreply 15006/24/2020

Exactly r143!

It’s reasonable for a woman to freak out if somebody follows her home and starts harassing her.

by Anonymousreply 15106/24/2020

R132 He's of the generation that has been taught that emotions and feelings are more important than thoughts and restraint. Hence every perceived slight is magnified to Nth degree as personal affront or group discrimination, with retaliative behaviors to follow . It usually means victimhood narrative then gets used as means to then accuse, punish, and victimize the supposed perpetrators. Why are people defending asshole stranger who follows a woman home? Is this where liberalism is at right now? We're supposed to be okay with this shit? I can tell you that crazy fucks do follow drivers home, it happened to me once because I honked my horns at them (after breaking hard) when they cut in front of me. Luckily I called my BF at the time to come out waving his gun, which he did. Those two idiots in the truck saw him and did a rapid u-turn like you wouldn't believe.

by Anonymousreply 15206/24/2020

Ignore the Op and you see that not only is he the one behind nearly all of the "karen/Becky" meme is anti-feminist bullshit in order to pretend white female racism is protected by feminism, he is quite the big fat racist misogynist troll.

by Anonymousreply 15306/24/2020

Meant to say "braking" not breaking

by Anonymousreply 15406/24/2020

R153 Do you believe that white women deserve civil rights and protection by law? I'm asking this question in good faith, not to cause an argument.

by Anonymousreply 15506/24/2020

Just stop it, R141. No one’s supporting Karlos because he’s obviously not a good guy from his own history. Christian Cooper, on the other hand, has a great reputation. Amy Cooper tried to get him killed. And she was anything but frightened. She stomped up to his face, warned him, knew what would likely happen when she said “African American”, then went into hysterical Meryl Streep mode to amplify her distress. And acquaintances verified she’s a difficult person. Why are you defending her? Unless you’re a racist Karen yourself.

by Anonymousreply 15606/24/2020

R155, of course they do. When any person behaves badly in public, they run the risk of being recorded, having that behavior posted online and getting their lives messed with by hordes of immoderate people. Thus, it is your right to be a dick/cunt/asshole and when you publish that fact in public, others have a right to respond to you.

But be careful. People aren’t having it. It reminds me of air travel. Before 9/11, you could go crazy and get the benefit of the doubt. After 9/11, you get the beat down and maybe death. This also reminds me of the dickhead who spat at the fast food worker up north. He dead now.

by Anonymousreply 15706/24/2020

R132, she didn’t cut him off, though. If a merge actually occurred at all, it was him cutting in front of her without signaling. He says that in the long-form video on his Instagram account.

If that’s what he did, I don’t blame her for flipping him off, but who knows if she even did that? She denies everything he accuses her of doing, and then he never lets her speak in the entire 14-minute video. She begs him to let her tell her side of the story, and then he agrees, but interrupts her over and over and over.

I don’t believe a word he’s said.

And Amy Cooper is a borderline nutcase—read the NYT article about her and Chris Cooper to learn about her history of drama and inventing stories—but I don’t believe she actually thought the cops would show up and kill him on the spot, without asking any questions or assessing the situation. Why do so many idiots online think the NYPD was going to pull into the Ramble, guns blazing, and kill that nerdy bespectacled bird watcher? That NEVER would have happened.

by Anonymousreply 15806/24/2020

[quote] When any person behaves badly in public, they run the risk of being recorded, having that behavior posted online and getting their lives messed with by hordes of immoderate people

Why is it that videos of black people behaving badly in public don't go viral?

by Anonymousreply 15906/24/2020

They only do in right wing circles, R159, not the “respectable” liberal/centrist Internet.

by Anonymousreply 16006/24/2020

I wonder what those respectable liberals will do once the frequency of videos like that begin to triple in number every week.

by Anonymousreply 16106/24/2020

"[R153] Do you believe that white women deserve civil rights and protection by law? I'm asking this question in good faith, not to cause an argument."

Why do you think my support of Black Lives Matter means white women don't deserve civil rights and protection?

The fact that you feel the need to pose the question to begin with means you're not asking in good faith. You're a troll pitting minorities against each other.

But I thank you for showing yourself to all.

by Anonymousreply 16206/24/2020

R162 Shameless!! How dare you act as if you're answering in good faith when you have been particularly bigoted and prejudiced towards a specific race and then act self-righteous when I question your motives for holding such divisive views towards human beings for the color of their skin. You believe that you are entitled to be bigoted/prejudiced against certain people's skin color for their historical significance. Who do you think you are? Judge, jury, and executioner?

by Anonymousreply 16306/24/2020

Fuck this ugly cunt. She's clearly a complete psycho. She deserves it.

by Anonymousreply 16406/24/2020

The rich are using ancient tactics to hold on to power, the old divide and conquer bit. The Dem Party really has sold out to their wealthy donors. Just look at what they did to Bernie Sanders. They obliterated him because he threatened their billions!!

Some poignant comments on the beautifully written article that OP quoted:

[quote]These names and terms are definitely just more excuses to make misogyny more socially acceptable. First you dismiss a woman because of her "faults." Next you dismiss violence perpetrated against her because, after all, she deserved it; she had these terrible faults. She brought it on herself.

[quote]I like your rant. I'm an upper-middle class canadian white woman, and I think you're almost spot on about the left hating middle class white women but I think it's broader than that. I think the left has become the party of the liberal elite, and only concerns itself with the problems of upper class people. The left is more worried about trans-identified males being able to get into the women's changeroom at their fancy local gym than they are about sex trafficking of poor women, or women in prison being assaulted by convicted male rapists who suddenly decided they were women after being sentenced (something Meghan has done a great job covering). Or, the left is more worried about quebec banning religious symbols than they are about muslim girls who are forced to wear a hijab and forego an education and marry early, and facing abuse or possible murder if they try to exit this religion. The left is more worried about cops arresting drunk drivers (somehow this has become a bad thing?) than they are about domestic assault victims having someone to call to protect them.

What is the common theme here? Rich people are the ones more worried about being able to use whatever changeroom they want, poor people are more worried about being raped in the bathroom at their job in a dangerous neighbourhood, or in jail. Rich people are more worried about their rich international friends being able to wear whatever headdress they want, poor people are more worried about being able to get an education and a solid job so they can improve their situation. Rich people are more worried about being arrested after drinking too many drinks at a party, poor people are more worried about robberies and assaults in their dangerous neighbourhoods. It's no accident that the left has completely changed it's priorities: the priorities are now to protect the rich from any miniscule perceived potential problem, and forget the poor and their very real, immediate problems.

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This is remarkably similar to the Amy Cooper and Chris Cooper video.

[quote]"Please don't come close to me," Christian Cooper says, as [Amy Cooper] approaches.

[quote]"Don't touch me. Do not touch me," Karlos Dillard says, as "Karen" reaches her hand toward his face.

When physical aggression fails, both shift to a victim tactic.

[quote]"I'm being threatened by a man in the Ramble," [Amy Cooper] continues in an audibly distraught voice . "Please send the cops immediately!"

[quote]"You're attacking me!" "Karen" squeals while Karlos Dillard maintains his distance.

One wonders if this pattern has been observed in other white woman/black male interactions, i.e., first attempting to physically bully (though without actual physical contact) before changing tactics and feigning being attacked in the hope of enlisting some muscle to deal with the black man.

by Anonymousreply 16606/24/2020

R166 what are the minutes and seconds that she reached out to Karlos? I didn't see that.

by Anonymousreply 16706/24/2020

Someone upthread mentions women weaponizing their whatever, womanhood.

But that's exactly what they teach you to do in self-defense class. Go all out and become the aggressor. Freak out and act the banshee. In these situations make HIM fear YOU. Do whatever, say whatever but get him to back the fuck off. If that doesn't work - vomit on him.

I realize most men don't really understand how women think and what their fears are. But they are fears we have learned to live with and they are second nature to us.

by Anonymousreply 16806/24/2020

She didn't think the cops would kill him, R156. She obviously thought she could claim victimhood if she mentioned he was black and she was write, and she probably thought he would get scolded, fined or even arrested. That's obviously shitty and racist. But it's not attempted murder, like the Twitterati want us to believe.

There's no need to exaggerate what already happened and I don't know why so many on the internet insist on doing that. Isn't it enough to say she was trying to get him arrested, and that could have lead to something even worse? Why claim her original intent was murder?

by Anonymousreply 16906/24/2020

[quote]The lack of thought behind the cyber flaying reflex is deeply concerning.

It's gotten worse during lockdown. It's boredom and the usual summer crazies, I'm sure of it, plus the manifestation of the constant fear we're living in from the virus and a government who wants us dead, or at least to suffer.

The other day I saw some Twitter hate thread about a professor who had supposedly said something racist, but it wasn't documented, it was just one of those things where someone wrote what they claimed had happened in a text file and posted it. The uni responded that they would investigate and underneath were thousands of replies saying, "Fire him!" Literally thousands. Based on nothing.

by Anonymousreply 17006/24/2020

[quote]but that thing about “I am going to do something you don’t like” and trying to give some unknown substance to her dog is very menacing. I am shocked that people didn’t make more of that.

I got screamed at for being a racist by bringing it up so I'm sure that happened to most everyone else.

Chris Cooper very obviously didn't mean harm by it, and as I said at the time, the guy is a nerd, he had no idea how inappropriate he was being. He later said he did it to say, "See, your dog wouldn't be over here with me if you'd had him on a leash," and teach people a lesson, which is the epitome of nerd behavior. I'm right you're wrong, look at how I've outsmarted you, etc. etc. And like a nerd, he didn't think it through or realize people would have thought he was going to give the dog something harmful.

Amy Cooper was a crazy racist psycho, no question, but his little dog treat stunt was going to lead to some confrontation eventually.

Also, Amy Cooper wasn't the pro-Obama Democrat the press tried to make her out to be, either. That was another example of some Twitter lie accepted as truth because of an agenda and a demand for drama and exaggeration.

These Karen situations are escalating and it's obvious there are trolls and deeply unhappy people online who a quietly hoping some Karen gets killed on camera for their amusement.

by Anonymousreply 17106/24/2020

Agree, R113, and I think a lot of right-wing and alt-right movements have managed to gain some purchase because they've tapped into the relatively recent phenomenon of blaming women (usually white women) for everything.

It started in academia where it wasn't a wholesale blaming of all white women, but an investigation into how much power white women had in the past even when they couldn't own land or vote. Turns out, not much. Students started exaggerating and misrepresenting it online (which they do about every topic, seriously, not just the social justice ones) and it quickly turned into "white women are more evil than men."

It was an attractive concept to a lot of people because it played into the already-existing sexism in the culture, it incorporated the ideas of revenge into its philosophy, and it was easy to weaponize against Hillary Clinton who was the perfect target for it.

The opposite take, that white women are nothing but victims, isn't true either. And the clashes between the two groups is exhausting.

You'll notice that both sides will try to pick fights with someone who is just saying something moderate and neutral. The anti-transers will try to pick fights with some rando and scream "Do you think women don't deserve any rights at all?!?!?" or the alleged far-lefties will say "Do you think white women should be allowed to murder all the black men they want?!?!?!"

Exhausting. And I think that's on purpose.

by Anonymousreply 17206/24/2020

Karens are the common enemy of people of color and gay men.

by Anonymousreply 17306/25/2020

Oh what a load of horseshit R104!

by Anonymousreply 17406/25/2020

R165 nailed it.

by Anonymousreply 17506/25/2020

The Karloses have enlisted all their friends to downvote OP’s thread.

They can dish it out, but they can’t take it, can they?

by Anonymousreply 17606/25/2020

Interesting isn't it that the trolls brigade threads about women the same way they brigade threads with damaging info about Trump. Almost like they're working for the same troll farm, with the same interests.

by Anonymousreply 17706/25/2020

R176=puffy, becaftaned Karen.

Aren’t you overdue to change your Depends?

It stinks in here.

by Anonymousreply 17806/25/2020

I say we vote R172 MVP.

by Anonymousreply 17906/25/2020

He's a piece of shit. I hope he runs into the wrong person

by Anonymousreply 18006/26/2020

What makes a white woman a Karen is the attempt to speak power to the truth whilst also claiming victim status.

To try and get black people arrested for displeasing them or to get lowly minimum wage workers fired because their frappuccino's swirl wasn't swirly enough.

Using this term is not an objection to women asserting power, but an objection to how they chose to assert it. They are not using it to protest injustice. They are wielding against those less powerful than themselves.

And other entitled, reactionary white women identify with that.

by Anonymousreply 18106/26/2020

For whatever reason, women tend to be more obsessed with shopping, returning things, and being shitty to clerks. Men are a lot more laid back at stores and don’t nitpick about prices and coupons and samples. I suppose shopping is more of an activity for women, almost a sport. There are lots of Karen’s in malls, of all ages and ethnicities. In this milieu, the Chinese Karen’s are some of the worst in terms of being demanding, entitled and rude.

by Anonymousreply 18206/26/2020

Knock yourself out, misogynist SJWs. I'm putting my burka on and I know you SJWs won't be messing with a Muslim woman. Meanwhile, powerful white men know you're too gutless to mess with them.

by Anonymousreply 18306/26/2020

[quote] Using this term is not an objection to women asserting power, but an objection to how they chose to assert it. They are not using it to protest injustice. They are wielding against those less powerful than themselves.

That’s such a key point, that Karens and women who are labeled bossy aren’t taking on people who are more powerful; the Karens are being abusive against people who are subordinate in the power structure.

by Anonymousreply 18406/26/2020

[quote] For whatever reason, women tend to be more obsessed with shopping, returning things, and being shitty to clerks. Men are a lot more laid back at stores and don’t nitpick about prices and coupons and samples

You are right. But the only thing I hate more than a Karen is a "Karen's husband" who tolerates his bitch of a wife acting like that

by Anonymousreply 18506/26/2020

R181, R184 and R185 are hopelessly naive. They actually believe that the misogynistic mob actually cares about nuance and context. Bless their little hearts.

by Anonymousreply 18606/27/2020

Is there someone you want to speak to about it, Karen r186?

by Anonymousreply 18706/27/2020

How it all started.

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by Anonymousreply 18806/27/2020

R178 brings to mind a quote:

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

And nothing describes R178/R146 better than the word LOSER.

by Anonymousreply 18906/30/2020

R178 brings to mind a quote:

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

And nothing describes R178/R146 better than the word LOSER.

by Anonymousreply 19006/30/2020

White women have wielded and abused social power over both black men and women in this country historically. White feminists perceive any scenario that demonstrates women holding power over men as a threat to feminist ideology.

The "Karen" memes are not, "too far," White women's sense of entitlement and privilege culturally is just being challenged rightly. To suggest that being made a spectacle of online for displaying racist behavior that might very well end up in a black person's extrajudicial killing is "too far" while sidelining the actual transgressors behavior and excusing it with claims of sexism is a demonstration of privilege and thoughtlessness itself.

Meghan Murphy can go fuck herself.

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by Anonymousreply 19106/30/2020

Wahh!!! Why do those straight men want to have sex with beautiful women and not me? I don't get it. Wahh!!!

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by Anonymousreply 19206/30/2020

R192 Homophobic feminists aren't welcome here.

by Anonymousreply 19306/30/2020

Straight women really are the worst

by Anonymousreply 19406/30/2020

R192 is that homophobic frau down with "the gays" when it's convenient for her but also thinks you're trying to seduce her husband and want to be her. No sympathy that they're finally getting their yankee candle smelling asses some comeuppance for their atrocious behavior

by Anonymousreply 19506/30/2020

Ok, r195, whatever you say.

by Anonymousreply 19606/30/2020

R196 Racist, homophobic cunt. Your counter to bringing up the racism perpetrated by upper middle class white women like yourself is "you're just mad straight men won't sleep with you?" Why are you on a site for gay men?

by Anonymousreply 19706/30/2020

Wahhh!!!!!

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by Anonymousreply 19806/30/2020

R198 Blocked.

by Anonymousreply 19906/30/2020

Other choice quotes from this cow

[quote] Sperm is supply, not equipment. And it's very cheap supply. A lesbian obtaining sperm and using her own body to nurture the child is far more natural than what Anderson Cooper did.

[quote] Careers in academia [quote]Are you a minority? That will give you a huge advantage in getting hired in academia.

Har Har

by Anonymousreply 20006/30/2020

Excuse my beauty!

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by Anonymousreply 20106/30/2020

Greyed out troll thread is cancelled!

by Anonymousreply 20206/30/2020

We need to bring back Shirley Jackson’s “The Lottery.” A Karen a year...

by Anonymousreply 20306/30/2020

'Karen" isn't being sexist. It's hetero white women using their own social status to their benefit.

by Anonymousreply 20406/30/2020

what the fuck makes these people such rageholics. I just can't imagine yelling at a stranger than vehemently

by Anonymousreply 20506/30/2020

[quote] I just can't imagine yelling at a stranger than vehemently

I do it all the time! Whooo!!!!

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by Anonymousreply 20606/30/2020

The Karens of DL are equivalent to Confederate statues. Maybe we’re about to reach a tipping point.

by Anonymousreply 20706/30/2020
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