Friend Of Dorothy

Judy was one of the most talented singers ever. She also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout her life. Despite that, she had a good heart, which is hard to encounter in Hollywood. At a time when gay people were oppressed beyond belief, they identified with her struggles and she theirs.

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Does anyone remember the “you and your name are the problem JPG” statement that used to show up after a Judy pills garland post?

If you really believed that, JP, you would change your insulting screen name, which only contributes to the image of Garland as a pill-popping no-talent better off forgotten, not an artist on the level of Sinatra or Picasso or Callas.

YOU and YOUR NAME are part of the problem, JP.

Why did Judy and her daughter marry gay men? I get it, the sight of two men is as exciting to straight women as two women to straight men. But I mean, if they aren't into you, why marry someone you know is gay? Very bizarre and probably one of the many self-saboteur aspects of their personalities. Look at Freddie Mercury's ex, she found out he was gay, moved on with her loved life and stayed as a sister to him and lived to a peaceful old age.

WEHT JP?

47 going on 87.

At this moment when we're so factionalized and divided, it's important to remember the one person who unifies all aspects of the LGBTQIA community.

We need to re-focus. We should make June 22 International Pride Day and look to Judy's legacy of divine art and pain and everything she taught us in her short time on earth. She is our gay Blessed Mother.

[quote] WEHT JP?

Died quote a few years back.

[quote] WEHT JP?

Died quite a few years back.

Judy “Pills” Garland’s blog is still up.

That's what drug addiction/alcoholism does to people, R7. Well, unless you're Elizabeth Taylor, who seemed to have the constitution of a Rhinoceros. Here's a pic of 46 year old Monty Clift

[quote]WEHT JP?

In the ultimate act of fandom, she died on a toilet shitting barbiturates.

R8 The thing is this: many gay men don't share you love of Judy Garland.

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We already had a thread, OP.

The fiershce queensh at Shtonewall were friendsh of Dorothy.

Monty Clift is not an apt example.

R12, He was still very much attractive. I'd have him I would.

We should riot!

Think of the roles she might have gone on to play on the screen had she lived:

Mame Dennis Burnside in "Mame"

Desiree Armfeldt in "A Little Night Music"

Sandy in "Grease"

Judy is the reason June is Pride month. Judy was the greatest. Judy lives on.

[quote]Why did Judy and her daughter marry gay men?

Judy's father was also gay, so she was just continuing the pattern by marrying gay men.

Damn, Judy died 51 years ago. I remember it. Very sad, shocking day.

I remember people were shocked, but not shocked, by the news she had died. Same with Elvis and Janis Joplin and Marilyn.

Mother told me I was walking past the television set when they announced her death. She said I loudly shrieked and fainted.

I was seven.

Is the rumor true that her death was one of the causes of the Stonewall Riot?

[quote]Judy's father was also gay, so she was just continuing the pattern by marrying gay men.

And don't forget Lil Joe currently living in a polyamorous relationship with a woman AND a man.

Lorna seems to have eschewed the family tradition.

[quote] And don't forget Lil Joe currently living in a polyamorous relationship with a woman AND a man.

The Smurfette and Brainy Smurf figures on his bedroom bookshelf do NOT count as living or a relationship.

Ah sheesh you gayshs. Joe jusht likes it from both endshs.

[quote]Is the rumor true that her death was one of the causes of the Stonewall Riot?

R27. Yes, to a degree. The patrons of the Stonewall Inn were sick and tired of being harassed by the police. It was continual, scary, discriminatory and pure harassment where people ran the risk of getting arrested simply for being gay. It happened to be going on intensely in late June, When Judy died, the gays had enough. Tensions were high, the gays were depressed and sad over Judy. It was an explosion waiting to happen. But Stonewall along with Judy's death happening in June is the reason why Pride is celebrated in June. But of all the gays who frequented Stonewall, it was primarily the drag queens, male prostitutes, butch lesbians, effeminate gays, street youth and those who were unable to blend into society who fought back. Stonewall was the place where most "main stream gays" did not hang out. Those who could blend in--did so. Those who couldn't, fought back. The gays movement and everybody today stands on the shoulders of those who fought back at Stonewall.

The Stonewall riots (also referred to as the Stonewall uprising or the Stonewall rebellion) were a series of spontaneous, violent demonstrations by members of the gay (LGBT) community in response to a police raid that began in the early morning hours of June 28, 1969, at the Stonewall Inn in the Greenwich Village neighborhood of Manhattan, New York City. Patrons of the Stonewall, other Village lesbian and gay bars, and neighborhood street people fought back when the police became violent. The riots are widely considered to constitute one of the most important events leading to the gay liberation movement and the modern fight for LGBT rights in the United States.

R23 - ok but first of all, why marry a man who has no attraction to you at all? What kind of sex life is that? Also, why would a gay man marry her of she was female? Not like they were desperate for sex with her. My roommate says she wouldn't marry a gay man because she would know that he didn't really want her in every way so what is the point to torturing two people and forcing an issue? Why not just be a good friend?

Some women like men who have a feminine side to them. I've heard various women say this. Human sexuality is complex; it's a spectrum. I'm gay but I've been with a couple of women sexually and I could see myself even marrying one of them. Things aren't always as simple as you may think.

I believe the riots happened the day or of the day after Judy's funeral. Thousands of people had lined up to view her casket at Campbell's Funeral Home on the East Side, among which, I'd bet money, were some of the boys and girls who later rioted at Stonewall. Current historians try to pooh-pooh the Judy Effect, but it's real and wasn't even questioned until recently. Everyone knew there was some connection.

I remember a strange story about the funeral arrangements called “Judy Garland’s Casket Handles.” It’s a harrowing account that gave me new respect for morticians and dry-cleaners.

Liza paid all of Judy's bills, but Judy didn't have a tombstone until Frank Sinatra bought her one. I believe Sinatra also paid all the funeral expenses.

R34 - I find (many) gay men attractive, sexy and so much more than straight men in terms of overall courage and masculinity (straight men are not all that, believe me most are cunts and their wives turn into bitter old women). I even find the sight of two men having sex super arousing. That being said, as a woman, I could never allow myself or a man to be in a relationship that is not 100 percent satisfying for both partners and would want the man to live as he was meant to live and be at one with himself. Otherwise, I think I would suffer and so would the man. Obviously, I am not talking about everyone here. However, why cause painful cycles for both partners?

Link please, R36. Sounds interesting.

R34 - well I had a boyfriend in college, second year, who later came out as gay and we had a killer sex life (we were young and horny and into oral) which was probably what kept us together in the last year but still, he was emotionally unavailable so we broke up. This is why I think Judy suffered...she really needed a partner physically and emotionally and her husbands should have stayed as friends.

[quote] Mother told me I was walking past the television set when they announced her death. She said I loudly shrieked and fainted.I was seven.

And then one night, when you were 28 years older...

[quote] - ok but first of all, why marry a man who has no attraction to you at all? What kind of sex life is that?

Some people don't want sex--they want kindness and companionship.

Having gay husbands was the LEAST of Judy's problems.

R39 - Here:

I think I'm gonna use "Judy Garland's Casket Handles" as my drag name.

Thanks, R44.

I've watched that clip at R15 about a dozen times now. Thanks! You brightened my day.

R41, It never gets old.

Come on get happy, R47.