Trans Flag Controversy

Where is the flag for furries?

R1, probably. There is one for asexuals, why not furries?

The whole point of the rainbow GLBTQ+ flag was that it showed all colors of the spectrum. The idea that each sexual minority gets its own flag (except of course for gay men and lesbians) invalidates that idea.

I live in WeHo and I think one is fine.

Pink and blue? That's extremely sexist.

T’s ruin everything, including 8 year olds lives.

WeHo is a gay Mecca. Trannies aren’t gay and have nothing to do with gay people. It should be removed and shame on those people who decided to paint it.

[quote] each sexual minority gets its own flag (except of course for gay men and lesbians)

Who told you there is no lesbian flag ?

Can't we all just agree to fly this Flagg?

Let them have their own flag. As long as they’re not fucking ours up like the black and brown stripes did. Keep the pink and baby blue (and everything else) away from our beautiful rainbow flag.

Is it too much to ask that we have our own space?

God, all this bullshit makes me wish I wasn't gay.

What does the white stripe in the middle stand for?

The creme sandwich filling.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not for purity, that’s for sure.

[Quote]“The stripes at the top and bottom are light blue, the traditional color for baby boys. The stripes next to them are pink, the traditional color for baby girls. The stripe in the middle is white, for those who are intersex, transitioning or consider themselves having a neutral or undefined gender."

r12, white supremacy. Most trans activists are all straight white guys who can't get laid and become 'transbians' to guilt trip lesbians into sex. They're horrible people. They're not part of LGB and they need to back the fuck off.

The white should really be a light gray, which would align with color theory principles. Should I let them/vir/xem/hir know?

I agree with R10. The original rainbow flag is fine like it is and doesn't need any changes. I'm fine with any other group having their own flag - just don't mess around with our rainbow flag.

The rainbow flag is inclusive of everyone... I refuse to acknowledge other flags when it comes to sexuality

It's an act of aggression and disrespect to put it not only in the same intersection as the rainbow sidewalks, but to make it 3x as big and put in the middle of the intersection.

They want to take over everything gay as if it is theirs and act like gays and lesbian rights wouldn't exist without them.

They don't ask - they just do. Nobody should think this is alright. It is disrespectful, as usual.

If you want your own flag theN perhaps remove the ‘T’ from LGBT. Own flag, own designation.

I’m fine with it—zig that community wants to separate itself from the rest of the LGB rainbow, I wouldn’t think of trying to stop them.

The colors remind me of the little card placard they place on newborn cribs at the hospital. I find it rather regressive for a group that believes that gender is a social construct.

Yellow would have been a better choice for the filling.

And, I suppose it would be pedantic to mention that blue is for boys and pink is for girls wasn't really codified until the late 1930s, early 1940s. Prior to that it was primarily "blue is for blonds /pink is for brunettes". Pink being considered the stronger color and more suitable for the stronger hair color. Throughout the 20th century it was common to find editorials advocating the strong pink for boys and denouncing the weak blue.

LGB rights & T rights. Two separate things.

R24 That is interesting.

“T” “T” “T” “T” “T” “T” “T” “T” “T” “T”

Because if there's only the Rainbow Pride flag, only the blue and purple people etc. are represented and I can't feel special!

[quote]God, all this bullshit makes me wish I wasn't gay.

What kind of fucking delicate baby are you to say something so melodramatic (not to mention homophobic) just because of a flag? Who the fuck cares? You probably don't even live in California, let alone WeHo.

R23, you have it wrong. They believe that ‘gender’ (i.e. regressive sexist stereotypes, boys like blue and girls like dolls) is innate and that biological sex (i.e. man and woman, sperm and egg, xx and xy chromosomes) are a colonialist fiction that white people imposed upon indigenous people. They’re the stupidest people on Earth. 2nd & 4th Wave feminists believe that gender is a social construct which strangles self-expression with conservative ideals of masculinity and femininity. Those stereotypes are what the transcult embraces, as they zealously fight to destroy all sex based legal rights for women and gay people.

[quote] It's an act of aggression and disrespect to put it not only in the same intersection as the rainbow sidewalks, but to make it 3x as big and put in the middle of the intersection.

You are stating your boundaries!

You are stating them [italic]now[/italic] so you don't have to state them [italic]then.[/italic]

Advances in science and plastic surgery have allowed people to change their identities. But their DNA doesn't lie.

I am fine with regular trans people. I think it's a really difficult life to live. BUT! I am not fine with people identifying as genderfluid, genderqueer, demigender, etc, like the internet stuff, and then going over the top about the fact that they are trans. Are they? I can't tell. I don't actually mind if they use those words but I think that it's insulting to most average trans people. This is just my opinion, and I usually keep to myself. I think the trans flag is ok because they go through so many unique challenges. At the same time, that's why I think terms like genderfluid and demigender, especially, pale in comparison. I might be wrong. Who knows. I think that many younger gay kids use terms like those because of gender roles and simply means they aren't typical. That's ok. But trans, really? I don't know. Sorry, my rant is done now

r33, what are 'regular' trans people?

Crossing that intersection is LITERAL VIOLENCE.

[quote] But their DNA doesn't lie.

Nor does skeletal structure

The trans flag is so ugly. The rainbow is cool as hell.

Why the fuck does anyone put a flag where cars can run over it? Dumb.

well, I fully support Trans have their own flag, and next, their own cause, their own parade...

The trans should have their own flag and separate from the gays entirely.

It appears the trans flag took its inspiration from the Russian flag.

"The whole point of the rainbow GLBTQ+ flag..."

It was the gay/same-sex love flag. The TQ++++ then came and infiltrated us and made our flag and all our other symbols, community and organisations theirs. It's a good move if they now start to break away and do their own thing.

"what are 'regular' trans people?" - r33, the ones who genuinely have a body dysphoria and feel the need to live as the other sex but don't deny that they were born male/female and don't try to claim things like "transwomen are women" as though there really were no difference between transwomen and women-women. The ones whose concerns are more things like workplace protections than men competing in women's sports. They also hate the gender ideology.

"I think the trans flag is ok because they go through so many unique challenges." - Yes, the trans situation is unique. That's why it should be separated from the LGB and the trans should go their own way, as only they can explain or represent their unique situation. It's not our job or responsibility or even competence, and it does us harm.

"Advances in science and plastic surgery have allowed people to change their identities." - "Identity" is a social construct that exists only in people's heads.

Plastic surgery is not a civil right.

Tangentially relevant to this thread: I watched "Disclosure" on Netflix the other night. I truly started watching with an open mind and was really hoping to learn things that would make me reevaluate some of my thinking about the whole trans issue, but half way through all I got from it was: "Victim, victim, victim. Wanh, wanh, wanh" I did watch it all the way through, though.

I loved Laverne Cox on "Orange is the New Black" but she really comes across as very entitled and whiney in this documentary.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming!

"I loved Laverne Cox on "Orange is the New Black" but she really comes across as very entitled and whiney in this documentary." - she's a transwoman, i.e. a bio man who is astonished that the whole world isn't falling at his feet, so of course is being very entitled and whiney.

Flip it around - imagine if someone painted the rainbow flag in front of Compton's Cafeteria. There would be hell and townhall meetings and all sorts of shit.

Plus - aren't there some safety issues with painting commercial intersections? That's why they had gay crosswalks only.

According to Advocate fave Jasmyne Cannick, Compton, Inglewood or Crenshaw would gladly welcome a flag like this. It’s just WeHo where this is rejected.

The Advocate is institutionally captured as well. I don't know a single gay person who actually thinks T belongs in LGB nor who wants them lumped with us. And, yet, without a vote all the LGB orgs and publications were overtaken by them simultaneously.

Painting over the traffic lane lines as they did will cause accidents and injuries. We approve.