Joan Rivers

There have been many moments since she's been gone where I wished we could get Joan's take on something. She was funny to the end.

You sure about that, OP? She doesn't seem to hate him in this interview.

No, she really liked Trump.

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The bitch was a Republican. Nuff said!

She'd love him. He's the only one who could out cunt her.

One of the last remarks she made before she died was that Michelle Obama is a tranny. Then she died. There are some on the right who believe Obama had her killed.

Poka Playa!

BEYOND white trash!

She didn't hate Trump. You pulled that directly out of your ancient, dusty, unfucked ass, to create a thread.

Are you kidding??? She LOVED Trump! She loved anybody that was rich.

She had great taste!

She used to joke about Michelle Obama being masculine. Yup she liked Trump.

Joan Rivers was a massive CUNT, and screwed her writers (i.e. the people who provided her with her material; she wasn't a funny person on her own) out of of health insurance.

And she ADORED Trump as, no doubt her cunt daughter does.

She liked to work and appreciated that the Apprentice gave her exposure to expand her audience. Joan didn't bite the hand that fed her, not since Carson and she had to rebuild after Edgar's suicide. Who knows what she really thought of him, but she never talked bad about him publicly.

We'll never really know. It could have went either way.

My instinct (and I want to believe) she would have cut ties and took her chances/losses.

However, if she already liked him after knowing him personally, it creates some ambiguity. Certainly, there were things that I already knew about him, but unfortunately I didn't have my convictions in check to completely avoid his trashy television show back in the day. The election season certainly brought everything that was already despicable about him in a full view you could just ignore or forget (especially when he was running for office). He has just gotten more vile as the years have gone on.

As far as the Michelle Obama/tranny "joke" (which I despise), I don't know if that is strong evidence towards her going full-Trump. Her crassness was pretty equal opportunity. She made fun of everyone in all the worst ways. That doesn't justify her humour (which I often enjoyed, as she could often be quite funny, despite the racist tropes she sometimes traded in), but makes it difficult to box her into any one crate.

I mean, would she have been #TeamKathyGriffin, or would she have sided with Roseanne? I feel like the former, but I just don't know anymore. This world has taken just bizarre turns over the last couple of years. I think super fans of Joan would have more insight here in weighing how her personal relationship and professional history with Trump would have played into her schtick.

*couldn't just ignore

Well one things for sure, after watching that video, Melissa was the epitome of high class for white trash.

Before it became even possible, Joan said Trump would make a great president. I'm not sure she would have stuck with that once reality set in.

And Melissa is on record saying that her mother would have never voted for him.

I saw her preform on stage a couple of times, once before her husband killed himself and then ounce many years later when she was kicked of Carson and doing her QVC thing. She was a lot funnier before Edgar committed suicide. She got really cunty after that and less funny, more bitter. The second time I saw her in Beverly hills she started her act with a blue dress with white spots on it AKA Monica Lawinski's cum stained dress. This was years after Clinton was no longer president. But then later on in the show she made a really funny gay joke which also involved cum, and a whole bunch of front row uptight Beverly Hills ladies got up and walked out. Which of course did not go unnoticed. She basically told them in more polite terms to fuck off. She screamed at them as they were walking out for not knowing what kind of show they were coming to and how it was funny when it was about Bill Clinton but disgusting if it involved gay men.

So on the plus side, she was always a friend of the gays, I will give her that. Melissa on the other hand is indifferent at best.

^^ With friends like her, no wonder gay men can't find respect.

Rivers was a pig. She HATED other women. Rivers walked like a man. She was a self loathing surgery freak. Her daughter proudly fucked a pornographer scum bag for a while. Rivers was embedded in trumps asshole just as Roseanne was. I’m glad she’s dead.. She’s garbage. She even milked her husband’s suicide for money. A TV movie starring her and her kid. Ugly hag obsessed with money and insulting strangers.

^^Princess Anne?

Howard Stern said that Donald wanted him to campaign for him, but he refused.

Joan would have not only gladly accepted that offer but also push to become an Ambassador.

Some here like to comfort themselves with the dream that Joan would have changed her opinions, but her very much alive daughter will now only eye roll and giggle that the presidency makes for great comedy.

[quote]She made fun of everyone in all the worst ways

She never made fun of her precious Regans. I remember she used to kiss Nancy Regan’s ass when she interviewed her. I don’t think she made fun of the Bush family either.

Joan Rivers would love anyone who could do anything to reduce her taxes, or enable her to make money in any other way. And it wouldn't matter if that person was a known child molester or a murderer. Money was the only thing that really mattered to her.

Is this thread about this "great lady" going the way OP intended?

Oh wow. Melissa continued to throw Kathy Griffin under the bus after her fall from grace. Damn. I guess she was still angry with the way Griffin exited Fashion Police. I don't know what went down (didn't watch).

Also, Kathy mentions Joan being a Republican, and implying that she might have been a Trumper (which she wouldn't have held against her) [Google "Kathy Griffin Says Joan Rivers Told Her: ‘Don’t Make an Enemy of Trump’"]

Joan would quickly backtrack from anyone who told her not to joke about them. Jerry Lewis sent her a threatening letter in the 70s after she bad mouthed him and she never spoke publicly about him again.

R29 I don’t believe Melissa one bit. No way would Joan have voted for Hillary.🙄

She hated CNN, walking out during one of her final interviews. CNN saw one last opportunity to troll her with that cover image. Garbage network.

"your ancient, dusty, unfucked ass"

That's going to be my standard comeback from now on- for everything.

[quote]Melissa continued to throw Kathy Griffin under the bus after her fall from grace. Damn. I guess she was still angry with the way Griffin exited Fashion Police. I don't know what went down (didn't watch).

Because after Griffin left, she made like she had no idea what the show was even about before she signed up for it. Because Griffin threw everyone (including Rivers) under the bus by saying it promoted bullying and shaming of women, which she laughably claimed to be against.

Out of all the celebrity deaths, Joan's affecting me the most...

If Joan were alive today, she'd be Trump's Press Secretary. She'd have loved jousting with the reporters.

Same here R35. I still miss the bitch!

Joan and Donnie were very friendly, very publicly. She had him on her short-lived talk show multiple times, he picked her as the winner on The Apprentice. Both publicly praised the other, which is part of the reason she's a darling of the conservatives, many of whom truly believe Obama had her killed for her "joke" about Michelle really being a man.

Go ahead and enjoy Joan's old act if you want, but don't make up a whole new reality to justify yourself. Just enjoy her comedy while also acknowledging she was a Republican who either truly liked Trump or kissed his ass for self-serving reasons.

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Joan couldn't even remember anyone's name on the Red Carpet, which is why they put her in a studio. It does show how low we've stooped that even in jest someone would suggest she would have been an effective press secretary.

She was very bitter and unlikeable the last decade of her life. And it was OK for her to make fun of everyone else, but don’t you DARE make fun of her precious Melissa!

Carson was ultimately right. She was not a talk show host that America wanted every night.

Yes, yes, yes, Joan LOVED Trump, the celebrity Trump. And he loved the celebrity Joan. It wasn't very deep. I'm sure Joanie was on to the fact that Trump's self-promotion was all shtick, and was all "show biz" - EXACTLY like hers.

On the other hand, I know Joan would be appalled, and would turn on Trump in a second, if she were around in 2015-16.

So because Joan sucked up to Trump due to his fame, she would have turned on him when he became president?

Girl, bye.

She was a bitch who publicly bullied a CHILD (Amy Carter) for being "ugly" when Joan herself spent millions of money on plastic surgery to improve her appearance. In old Hollywood, when a woman's value was determined almost solely by her face, Joan probably got a lot of nasty comments. After she improved her looks, she perpetuated that system when she went from being bullied to being the bully.

She was like a self-loathing closet case.

Seems you have no reading comprehension or memory, R44.

I'll try again for the dimwitted:

Joan would have turned on Trump in 2015 and 2016 because of his racism and xenophobia while running for president. That would override any superficial celebrity friendship they had. It makes perfect sense.

The ugly bitch was a rabid republican, do not get the gays loving her.

And he would have absolutely lambasted her looks, R46. And she would have fired back at him even harder.

Joan would ignore Trump's racism and xenophobia as long as Trump was keeping Joan's taxes from rising. Look at the politically-uncorrect remarks she made about the Obamas.

Maybe Joan was secretly bi polar? She seemed to get very manic. Maybe Kathy Griffin is as well.

[quote]Joan would have turned on Trump in 2015 and 2016 because of his racism and xenophobia while running for president. That would override any superficial celebrity friendship they had. It makes perfect sense.

Ridiculous. He was racist long before he ran for president; he and his father were sued by the government for refusing to rent to blacks. She knew how racist and xenophobic he was decades ago and still liked him. She herself could be both. Do you really think the "Michelle Obama is a tranny and Obama is a secret gay" wasn't about race?

She was a cunt. Her daughter is a talentless cunt. The whole family is a cunt salad.

She once joked that Palestinians don't have opposable thumbs.

[quote] Because after Griffin left, she made like she had no idea what the show was even about before she signed up for it.

I could believe that Griffin didn't know. She did prove herself to be very dumb and thin skinned in the wake of the Trump photo. Joan not only was exceptionally smart but she could dish it out as well as take it.

Not in public, not openly, R51.

"Maybe Joan was secretly bi polar? "

The "maybe he/she was mentally ill" troll. Neither Joan Rivers or Donald Trump were or are mentally ill or bi-polar secretly or otherwise.

She said all Palestinians should be murdered, R53. She wasn't joking, and she wasn't "exceptionally smart."

She chatted with her good pal Trump about how she was the victim after saying all Palestinians should be murdered:

[quote]The damage was done, though. Trump tells THR that she ran into Rivers recently at Amaranth, a restaurant they both frequented in Manhattan, where the star was accompanied by a man sitting at another table. Recalls Trump: “I asked her about the whole Palestinian question that was going on. She said, ‘Well, just look to your left. That’s my new best friend because of all the death threats. She wasn't joking ... her bodyguard sat at the next table while we had dinner! She was so outspoken, but it was quite frightening at times."

[quote]Joan Rivers would love anyone who could do anything to reduce her taxes, or enable her to make money in any other way. And it wouldn't matter if that person was a known child molester or a murderer. Money was the only thing that really mattered to her.

In other words: Joan Rosenberg

Remembering her makes me smile. Especially the part where there's now one less voter for Trump.

Carson is smiling as well. The one who isn't, is Edgar because she's now with him, wherever he is.

This legend that Joan was a friend of the gays is just that, a legend. I've told this story before, & I think it bears repeating. In the 1980's, Joan told "People" magazine that she carried silverware in her purse, she didn't use the silverware provided in restaurants. The reason? Joan feared being infected with HIV by gay waiters.

As far as Trump, Joan would've eaten a turd a mile long out of Trump's ass, she worshiped the rich, (sign of a true peasant).

She sure tried her best to make Melissa "happen" didn't she? Unfortunately for her, you can't spin straw into gold. It's no coincidence Melissa's "career" died with her mother.

[quote]This legend that Joan was a friend of the gays is just that, a legend. I've told this story before, & I think it bears repeating. In the 1980's, Joan told "People" magazine that she carried silverware in her purse, she didn't use the silverware provided in restaurants. The reason? Joan feared being infected with HIV by gay waiters.

Not defending that attitude by any means, but there was a lot of that thinking and mentality going around during that time, even among some liberal celebrities. That's what happens when you have a government that is not proactive in dealing with the disease.

I think she would've started out supporting Trump due to her previous business relationship with him and general Republican leanings, but would've turned on him fairly quickly after the election. Whether that would've been genuine or just her responding to the market and realizing being pro-Trump was going to cost her fans/money, I don't know, but I think the whole Kathy Griffin outrage thing would've soured her on Trump permanently while making her de-emphasize political jokes in her sets.

Yes, senior citizens are well known for changing their opinions

So in summary, Joan actually died at a good time.

Joan would've pushed for Melissa to be Trump's press secretary & Donnie would've nominated Joan

to the Supreme Court for a couple years only to put Brent on as the permanent replacement.

Joan had a history of still admiring Trump even after he attacked her friends r63

She liked him and she would have been a big trump supporter.

Rich new york trash, like joan and donald stick together. The both of them were regarded as shit on the bottom of your shoe by NY society

That cunt barbara walters is in that group too. She wasn't such a cast out as those other pieces of shit don and joan

Who should play Joan in the movie besides Missy?

How dare you R68! Barbara Walters is the Boston daughter of the fabulous impresario LOU WALTERS!

I think it goes without saying that Joan was severely mentally ill.

He was at her Thanksgiving at least 3 years in a row and seated next to Hillary Clinton who laughed at his every joke.

Babara Walters is friends with Syrian war criminal Bashar Al-Assad.

I like Joan Rivers, but bitch worshipped money, even tacky money. Whatever money. She just probably couldn't see past that. He was rich, or at least appeared rich, and that's probably all she saw. Hard to see that interview at r2, especially after seeing Noel Casler's twitter feed and finding out Trump was literally shitting his depends during Celebrity Apprentice and snorting adderall and unable to read cue cards. Sad.

In an interview, Melissa proudly remembered how she and Joan would always completely empty a hotel room upon check-out: soaps, towels, sheets, blankets, notepads, TP, minibar, etc. An extra bonus was finding an unattended maid's cart to get more loot.

So, the very definition of Rich White Trash.

R71 That was obvious when she threw a champagne glass on the floor on Celebrity Apprentice when her precious daughter was on the chopping block one episode. The old bitch flew into a rage over the most stupid shit.

I know she credited celebrity apprentice and the documentary for revitalizing her career.

Kathy was such a liar about why she left fashion police. She watched it every week and was a guest on fashion police.

It’s a bit off topic, but what’s up with Melissa Rivers? Is she really a bitch? What’s the dirt?

Joan would be about 87 now.

[quote]In an interview, Melissa proudly remembered how she and Joan would always completely empty a hotel room upon check-out: soaps, towels, sheets, blankets, notepads, TP, minibar, etc. An extra bonus was finding an unattended maid's cart to get more loot. So, the very definition of Rich White Trash.

That's not such much white trash behavior as it is ___ish behavior. I knew a guy who did that EXACT same thing and it wasn't because he was white trash. It was because he was ___ish.

Oh, an anti-Semite on DL (R80)? Quelle surprise.

[quote]That was obvious when she threw a champagne glass on the floor on Celebrity Apprentice when her precious daughter was on the chopping block one episode.

Although she loved Melissa more than she loved anybody in her life you could tell Joan was somewhat embarrassed of her and her non-existent career. I recall when one interviewer pressed the question about Melissa only having a career because of Joan, Joan walked off the set.

I've always thought that Joan started having plastic surgery when she realized how much she resembled Melissa as Melissa entered adulthood.

Don't forget she had become increasingly obsessed with Israel. She would've loved Trump's pro-Israel stunts.

Melissa would be working as a cashier at Target had she not been born to Joan. I can totally see her in one of those red shirts!

I would have more respect for Joan if she owned her rage: "I always felt like a loser, I'm envious, I'm competitive". But these lame protestations are embarrassing. She just mean.

I always wondered how much of her act was written by her- or laff writers.

[quote]Although she loved Melissa more than she loved anybody in her life you could tell Joan was somewhat embarrassed of her and her non-existent career. I recall when one interviewer pressed the question about Melissa only having a career because of Joan, Joan walked off the set.

Because it's a shitty question. Melissa didn't have a career because of Joan. Melissa was already a professional actress as well as did a stint as an MTV VJ before she worked with Joan. And people forget, Fashion Police was her show. Joan was the talent, but Melissa ran the whole enterprise. Hollywood never recognized how talented she is and how much of a key component she was in running the Joan Rivers empire the last fifteen years.

For what's it worth, some people miss her on TV.

I remember that old cunt joan joking about Obama being gay and Michelle being trans

And it was so funny. Joan's people put out to the media that Michelle Obama was banned from her funeral. As if Michelle Obama would want to go to that pig's funeral.

The Obamas of course had class and sent a note of condolence to Melissa.

In the past 2 months we've all seen how crazy these white women are. If joan were alive, she'd be making an absolute fucking fool out of herself to show support for trump. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT. None

[quote] Melissa didn't have a career because of Joan. Melissa was already a professional actress as well as did a stint as an MTV VJ before she worked with Joan.

You are hysterical. Comedy gold

I remember she made clear that anyone on her Comedy Central roast could not make fun of Melissa. Of course, everyone then did and the blood drained from her face every time one of the roasters called Melissa talentless.

R88 IMDB is your friend.

Perhaps Melissa chose to retire after Joan left? Maybe it wasn't the other way around? She certainly didn't need to do it for the money.

No, R90/R86. Melissa didn't do shit on her own. Joan's fingerprints are all over Melissa's "career".

Joan ate Nancy Reagan's turds for years. She also cleaned up Ronnie's skid marks with her tongue. And I'm sure her talent-free offspring isn't far at all from momma's political peculiarities.

Joan also bullied Charles and Camilla into being nice to her. Finally they acknowledged her just to get her to shut up with her insults. I think acknowledgement was really all she wanted from those people she insulted in her act.

I’m a Producer!

Notice Melissa put on the pounds AFTER Joan's death. She looks better...but had to be anorexic when Joan was around.

[quote]I remember she made clear that anyone on her Comedy Central roast could not make fun of Melissa. Of course, everyone then did and the blood drained from her face every time one of the roasters called Melissa talentless.

Well that explains why it ran long, R89.

R86 I got a bridge to sell you if you actually believe that shit.

If Melissa was a more imaginative Producer she could still find ways to extend her acting career.

They could stick a MAGA hat on her mother's corpse and she and Melissa could star in a couple of Weekend At Bernie's reboots.

"No, we can't talk!"

The bitch probably didn’t have a dick touch her cunt since her second husband died. No wonder she was so angry and miserable.

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This thread has really soured my opinion of Joan. :(

Maybe it's for the best.

R7 writes,

[Quote] One of the last remarks she made before she died was that Michelle Obama is a tranny. Then she died. There are some on the right who believe Obama had her killed.

Joan Rivers was not important.

So, you can relax.

The most Joan Rivers would've been, when it comes to Trump's horrible reign of terror, is concerned. Just like Susan Collins.

She would have made cruel jokes about the immigrant kids in cages. She would've made fun of Puerto Rico and how it can't fix its own problems after the hurricane. She would've called Stormy Daniels that untrustworthy whore and Michael Avenatti a pimp. And don't get me started on Greta Thunberg.

She was a vicious cunt and the gays loved her for expressing her cuntitude.

Isn't Joan sort of the female Trump?

[quote]She was a vicious cunt and the gays loved her for expressing her cuntitude.

Quit putting gays into one category. Many of us thought she was a stupid, hateful bitch and did not find it funny at all.

I remember one sick joke she made about those girls that were held prisoner in guy’s basement in Ohio and she said well at least they got free room and board. She was demented and soulless.

I did miss the old Joan, the one before Carson snubbed her. After, she became so cruel, vicious and unfunny that you were rooting for her to fail. Public humiliation after public humiliation still wasn't enough. You wanted her to just go away. She finally did and we aren't the poorer for it. There's enough hate in the world today.

R67 Rosie was “Hollywood” friends with her (aka phony). Back in the early 2000’s, Joan made a joke about Rosie and Rosie went postal and said Joan was ugly, cruel and this and that. Then in typical phony Hollywood fashion, Rosie went to Joan’s funeral like they were great friends.🙄

Show business is so fake.

Sometimes you have to let go of previous conflicts and do stuff, like, attend funerals once that person you had conflicts with is gone, so you can move on, R107.

This thread proves that there are no sacred cows on Datalounge, everyone gets dragged, even beloved "gay" icon Joan Rivers.

And no, I don't believe she would've turned against Donald Trump once it became clear how demented he is as president. As others have mentioned, she worshiped the Reagans, and rarely had anything negative to say about the Bushes. She was a staunch Republicunt till the day she croaked.

I will say she was funny back before Carson blackballed her. The roasting session she had with Betty White back when Joan was hosting The Tonight Show was hilarious.

After years of insulting the British royal family, she became friends with Prince Charles and she even went to his wedding to Camilla.

[quote]Joan would be about 87 now.

And would have had a hell of a lot more plastic surgery. She would always defend her numerous procedures by saying, "I think I look good." She barely looked human in her final years.

Just to clarify, her gay joke that I mentioned above was not derogatory. What I was trying to say is the old ladies who walked out after they heard a gay joke were hypocrites. Joan didn't say gays were disgusting or anything like that. She was calling them out for suddenly being upset about anything that involved gays and sex.

[quote] In old Hollywood, when a woman's value was determined almost solely by her face, Joan probably got a lot of nasty comments

I believe in one of her schtics she talks about looks and money. Something to the effect "if you are rich you should dress nice and always look good. If you are poor, not your fault, but if you are rich, god damn it you should look good!" She sort of had a point about all the millionaires walking the red carpet some looking like tacky whores.

R108 Joan was always making fun of her in her act (which obviously drove Ro crazy), but then when they would run into each other they would act all nice to each other. Both of them were fake.

[quote]I believe in one of her schtics she talks about looks and money. Something to the effect "if you are rich you should dress nice and always look good. If you are poor, not your fault, but if you are rich, god damn it you should look good!"

Yet she looked like shit.

[quote]The ugly bitch was a rabid republican, do not get the gays loving her.

She was not political during your early funny years. She made fun of so many people no one really though about it. She even made fun of the Queen of England until she was invited for a Royal visit. It wasn't until long after Edger died that her mean bitterness came out as well as her politics. Phyllis Diller was the same way, very Republican in her later years.

So to answer you question she talked about gay things in public long before any other comedian did and not in a derogatory way. At that time and space, even if it involved humor it was better than just being invisible. It was taboo just to say the word on TV even though gays were everywhere.

[quote] Melissa didn't have a career because of Joan. Melissa was already a professional actress

LMFAO! Melissa would never go her foot in the door without her mothers last name. You probably believe the Tory Spelling story about how no one knew who she was during the audition just because she changed her last name.

IMO, Joan Rivers simply wasn't funny. Her strong suit was as an interviewer. She asked good questions and could somewhat disappear into the background (instead of make the interview about herself).

If I had to guess, I'd say she'd be a supporter of Donald Trump for POTUS.

She was loyal to Nancy Reagan. Husband Edgar committed suicide far from home. The state where he committed suicide didn't want to release his body right away. Joan called Nancy in the middle of the night, Nancy pulled some strings, and Edgar's body was released.

This is Joan's apartment. I realize there are limousine liberals, but I think Joan valued money even more than the average rich person.

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Funny you should bring that up. Her last show Joan and Melissa had an episode where her gay friend for 20 something years died and left her his ashes. He wanted them scattered all over the dance floor and other odd places he loved and she actually did it. I think he left a difficult list. On the dance floor at Hamburger Mary's, at some Beverly Hills Rodeo drive store I think Gucci and even at the one time house of Judy Garland. Which of course was owned by some queen that came out and screamed at her for being on his property. "you bought Judy Garlands house! What did you expect" as she dumped them and ran. I give her props for that. Although I have refrained from eating at Hamburger Mary's since then.

I know that sounds like a plot, but trust me people request wacky shit all the time. I knew a woman who's husband died and she was distraught for a year because she could not do what he requested She didnt know what to do. He wanted his ashes thrown off the top of the Empire State Building.

[quote] I realize there are limousine liberals, but I think Joan valued money even more than the average rich person.

She was a Republican Dear, not a Liberal. Most Regugs worship money far more than Liberals. You watch too much Faux news if you are throwing that term around like a given talking point.

Joan Rivers adored Donald Trump, as does Melissa.

BTW, Cooper Endicott is now 19 and gorgeous.

I wonder if Cooper will do what most kids do in that kind of setting and be the complete opposite of his mother's politics? Is the father totally out of his life I wonder?

I was just googling pictures of Joan. She really had a good run through the 1980s and 1990s facially. I still loved the way she looked in 1995 (age 62). I had trouble finding photos after this year, and I don't know how much work she had done the next six years, but by 2001 (when she was 68), I can see her looks definitely starting to go down that road she ended up taking.

Joan was partnered up with autistic Nazi weirdo Jesse James on the Apprentice. They seemed to get along.

Her home sold for $28,000,000. She was extremely wealthy. Her clothes are still being sold on TV. She was a well bred woman in real life and so is her daughter. The grandson is a polite well spoken kid. I have always been a fan and saw her live once. Live act is a little raunchy. Some of her material is cringe worthy. RIP

[quote]Joan's people put out to the media that Michelle Obama was banned from her funeral.

They put out the whole "list" if I recall, it was tacky as fuck. Adele was on there too, banned for being fat.

She was a big Republican.

R78 Melissa would be the cuntiest cunt who ever cunted except Meghan McCain out cunts her, but not by much.

Would Joan have gotten a leading role in Anthony Sabato Jr’s big feature?

Puleeeze, R99. That's the kind of stupid shit my grandfather would say. Wait...is that you Gramps?

R127, I first saw Joan in person summer of 1974 at the South Shore Music Circus in Cohasset, MA.

She was John Davidson's opening act.

I believe I saw Melissa in Rump’s inauguration in a very good seat.

Sadly, I believe Joan would either been silent or pro. She gave her very unpopular opinion on Princess Diana. We probably would have hated Joan.

I don't care if Joan was on her knees every night sucking Trump off. I fucking LOVE that woman and always will. I do think she would have supported Trump. If you go back to her daytime talk show in the 1990s, she was encouraging him to run way back then. After the Carson incident, I think she especially valued loyalty. As Trump had been loyal to her, she would be to him. She would have supported Roseanne, in her controversy. I'm not sure how the Kathy Griffin incident would have gone down.

[quote] In an interview, Melissa proudly remembered how she and Joan would always completely empty a hotel room upon check-out: soaps, towels, sheets, blankets, notepads, TP, minibar, etc. An extra bonus was finding an unattended maid's cart to get more loot. So, the very definition of Rich White Trash.

That just makes me like her more. I wouldn't take towels, sheets, blankets because they are nasty. But, I always stock up on soaps, notepads, etc. and yes I take them from unattended maid's carts as well. Hotels vastly overcharge, so I don't care about cleaning them out.

Frauen all over this thread. Joan was funny as hell til the day she died,and a loyal friend to many who adored her.

Sorry for being so salty, but we're just exhausted from all the winning in Trump's America

Just remember, Trump was a Democrat before he was a Republican. So Joan would have been with him either way. Fallow the money.

[quote]Just remember, Trump was a Democrat before he was a Republican.

But he's ALWAYS been an asshole.

I never really watched Fashion Police more than a couple of times because I really don't care about it in general. But I think she was friends with the only gay guy George on there and when she died he suddenly had THREE diamond pins on his lapel a few weeks later at one of the shows. I may be wrong but I think she left those to him. She was loyal if she felt you were an actual friend.

Yes R139 but even the people that knew Trump back then say his meanness is off the charts now. But obviously he was still full of shit back then too.

She really was a cunt.

She was a funny Cunt though, unlike someone like Kris Kardashian who is just a greedy uptight Cunt with a tranny husband. "he wore a bra the first night of our wedding, who would have thought".

[quote]...screwed her writers... ...out of of health insurance.

How Republican of her.

Fashion Police was the most vile show on television after The Apprentice.

"Just remember, Trump was a Democrat before he was a Republican."

No. Donald Trump was nothing then or now except for an opportunist.

Kathy Griffin crapped on the Fashion Police after it didn't work out for her. She would have been dead to Joan for that.

Kelly O's career died with Joan.

She was a racist, ugly, money grubbing, trashpile bitch with a no talent, ugly, money grubbing bitch for a daughter, BUT! I appreciate that she had it hard when she was coming up in the world of comedy, so I respect her hustle.

She would have unequivocally supported Trump. They were buddies. I think the climber crowd in NY we’re all friends: the Dumps, Baba Wawa, the scummy Roy Cohn, Joan, the Kushners. They were probably shunned by the old WASP types.

And she kept other money grubbers for friends--like Kathy Griffin who circled her hospital bed like a vulture! Careful of the company you keep!

I don't think she was pretty at all! Her jokes about my looks were not funny.

--Gloria Vanderbilt

Hurt people hurt people.

After Carson, she became such a miserable, hateful woman. Maybe she always was, but she only came across as self hating. When she turned the hatred outwards, it became a shit storm. There is some justice that Carson haunted her til the day she died.

I think that the combination of FOX firing both of them from the Tonight Show and her husband basically committing suicide because he really failed as a manager sent he over the edge. She probably blames Johnny for killing her husband. I wouldn't be surprised if she had a real psychotic break and kept it out of the press. Just look at how she acted. Her life after that was filled with anger, hate and rage. The slightest miss dead set her off. Her pursuit of money was her drug of choice.

At the end of the day, some of us learn to deal with very difficult events life throws at us, and some of us don't.

[quote]The slightest miss dead set her off.

Joan Rivers, Miss Dead of 2014!

[quote] She was a funny Cunt

No she wasn't. Her jokes were tired, and ancient. She used to tell Princess Diana jokes. The woman had been dead almost 20 years. And Elizabeth Taylor jokes. If you're 70 yrs old, that is probably what passes for funny, but to the rest of the world, it was boring, dumb and tired

Had she lived, she would have been telling the same tired, lame jokes.

[quote]Had she lived, she would have been telling the same tired, lame jokes.

A professional hazard of very old comics. When Bob Hope was still making TV specials in the 1990s, his jokes and references during his opening monologues were always embarrassingly dated.

R101, Please watch the documentaries she made. 156 posts and not ONE mention of her work ethic. She took every single job she could, and did TONS of unglamorous charity work, she delivered meals for God's Love we Deliver for years.

Her jokes are all on 3x5 cards in file cabinets. She wanted her calendar full, every day regardless of pay. She had a fear of not having money more than a love of money. She loved work. She's raw in the docs, you see the fear and strength and no makeup- HIDEOUS. Very brave.

She put all her employee's children through private school. She was extremely generous. JFC, I wish no comedian in the world would ever have to apologize for a joke. Don't laugh. GROW UP.

As far as Trump, she did what she needed to do. How do you whores make a living? What evil master of the universe signs your checks? I have to kiss ass and eat shit every day to get by. (well, my husband does). I'm glad Page 6 doesn't print pictures of it. Or have to justify my every failure for the past 50 years.

She had a daytime interview show with gossip and guests years ago. She had Trump on after his book was published. She slobbered all over him.. She could be so ugly to people under the guise of being funny, but she sang his praises at that time. How smart and amazing he was. Mr. "The Art of the Deal". He let the plebes know, during the interview, that he had been bailed out, because he was too big and important to fail. Sound familiar?

She was also suffering from old age. She couldn't remember the jokes, even though she told them thousands of times. Any TV special had cards with the jokes all over the stage floor. I was a bit shocked she allowed that to be shown. And she was so slow that she became a joke on the Red Carpet, something her fans conveniently forget.

After she died, her manager and assistant essentially said don't believe anything she said about herself because she was so desperate for attention that she'd say anything. That was after she claimed she had affairs with Carson, Robert Mitchum and.....JFK!

Joan definitely tried to anesthetize herself with money, she also did it with plastic surgery. It's almost textbook.

She was a staunch Republican and hated Obama; she called Michelle a tranny and she was a birther, too. They also appeared to be quite friendly on the Apprentice. Absolutely nothing indicates that she would be anything but a rabid and vocal supporter.

You don't sound like you know much of anything, OP.

[quote]She put all her employee's children through private school.

Oh, dear.

[quote]I think that the combination of FOX firing both of them from the Tonight Show and her husband basically committing suicide because he really failed as a manager sent he over the edge.

Since the Tonight Show has always been on NBC, that would've been quite a trick.

Fox was willing to let Joan continue as long as Edgar was gone as Executive Producer. Joan went with her husband and we see what happened after that. I wouldn't doubt that she blamed him for all that happened.

I remember she commented once on the husband who killed himself. She acted like he left her penniless and she never read the two letters he left behind. .

She also started going all anti-Asian. She pulled her eyes tight (which was ironic since her bad plastic surgery already made her look Asian) like a kindergartener, and started Ching chonging, saying that they were taking all the men. There was no joke involved, it was just nasty, ugly and racist.

Remember Celebrity Apprentice was her big comeback then came E! She became a Larry King on the red carpet. Once Dustin Hoffman almost assaulted her. She said it’s okay they were old friends. Then she started saying mean things on The fashion Police that only . Old people can get by with. Then she ironically died during a plastic surgery procedure.

Joan lost (or thinks she lost) Orin Lehman to Monique Von Vooren and called her a "Eurotrash hooker". You know she never would have said that about First Whore. Von Vooren got savage : "No man ever killed himself to get away from me. I guess all those face-lifts have gone to her head. She may have once been funny, but now she's just being cruel and making herself an object of scorn. She's one to talk. She's got more miles on her than an old Checker cab. As for dear Orin, he's been a friend of mine before Rivers came along, while they were together and after he wisely dumped her." That's funnier and more cutting than anything Rivers said in years.

R168 yeah, totally hilarious . And she’s talking about plastic surgery? Ok.

A lot of hate and anti semitism on this thread. Nice.

Joan gets what she put out.

Rivers once said that Don Johnson was the worst interview she ever had. It was discovered that she never interviewed him.

R169 = Tag-along Melissa.

Loved Monique, r168.

E172 nah look she wasn’t perfect no one claims she is but she fucking had guts and made no apologies and pretty much everything r158 said. I think people read need to watch the doc to truly “get it.”

Joan was a vile cunt. Good riddance.

I'm just glad she's gone. In the grand scheme of things, she contributed nothing to this world

I saw the documentary. She comes off as a grossly unhappy woman. Her biggest sin is that she stopped being funny. She was once wonderful, charming and very funny. It all left when Carson and Edgar left.

Carson couldn't even have his assistant send her some flowers when Edgar died.

Has Melissa written a book about her yet? I thought it was creepy when Melissa played Joan for a scene about that home shopping lady.

The way I recalled it she was only mad at Trump because he fired Melissa on the Reticent. Joan and Melissa each had a meltdown.

[quote] Then she ironically died during a plastic surgery procedure.

No, what was ironic is that after all the elective plastic surgeries, that she had, she died NOT during an elective plastic surgery. She died during a minor outpatient throat procedure.

I saw Joan's show at Caesar's Palace back in the 80's. She was very funny and her show was a lot of fun.

R181 yes exactly. Not too hard for people to get the term irony right but there you go.

Carson in real life was a petty asshole (and alcoholic ) who held grudges to the day he died. And he died all alone. At the end of the day I think he was probably a far more miserable soul than Rivers. At least she had friends.

Carson lived and died on his own terms. Rivers died longing for acceptance. And she was not a teetotaler herself.

R56, I'm part-Palestinian. Now imagine if I said those types of things about Jews that she and Roseanne and Bill Maher and Howard Stern and every other racist asshole in Hollywood gets away with saying, including so-called journalists. You think I could get away with being as vile and inhumane? They talk about my family, my people like we're animals. We don't get a voice in this country. We get Zionists dictating the coverage so that we're portrayed as these nefarious, one dimensional caricatures.

R119 Joan lived at 1 East 62nd Street where she bought the rooftop Art Deco triplex in 1987 (she also bought an apartment there for Melissa at that time) . Now known as the Spencer Condominium after Nathalie Spencer who had the triplex built in the 1950s(?) on top of a 1904 townhouse where she grew up. The bottom floor in the triplex was termed the best space in a private house in all of NYC for entertaining on a grand scale. When Spencer died, she left the Rusk Institute at NYU around $17 million. Strangely, Spencer is mentioned in the Meryle Secrest bio of Richard Rodgers as having invited a 1940s Cafe Society cocktail called a "Crystal Chandelier"--1/3 gin and 2/3 vodka.

Joan Rivers worshipped money, and nothing else.

Rivers vs Carson would be an excellent idea for a Ryan Murphy Feud miniseries .

I second r188's suggestion!

Rivers worshiped money and high social standing. That's why she schmoozed up to the royals like Prince Charles and Camilla.

Plus she was paranoid of people taking advantage of her or screwing her over like Carson did. The thing with her writers was about her perceiving them as uppity and greedy since she considered herself the actual talent who made their mediocre output work and not the other way round.

Disliking racist Joan Rivers is antisemitic? Ok....

I loved Joan, but I'm glad she passed before Trump's candidacy and presidency as I assume she would have supported him and I would have lost all respect for her.

R159, When Trump's book was published, Oprah and Phil Donahue both slobbered over him, as well.

[quote] like a kindergartener, and started Ching chonging,

Oh, please, just because you type like you have more Chins than a Chinese phone book doesn't make me racist!

[quote]The thing with her writers was about her perceiving them as uppity and greedy since she considered herself the actual talent who made their mediocre output work and not the other way round.

Uppity mediocre writers? Who let Melissa in the house?

R190 It was nothing new, comics have rarely got along well with their writers. If you go back and look at the 20th century men that would have been Joan's heroes, like Jack Benny, Bob Hope, etc. they all feuded with their writers and treated them like crap.

[quote]If you go back and look at the 20th century men that would have been Joan's heroes, like Jack Benny, Bob Hope, etc. they all feuded with their writers and treated them like crap.

I treated mine very well.

Oh, oh, I asked Elizabeth Taylor what she wanted on her hamburger. She said a hotdog. !

In the 80s, after Elizabeth Taylor lost weight, she published a book (Elizabeth Takes Off) that was part autobiography, part weight-loss advice. In the book, she told an anecdote about running into Joan after the weight loss. According to Liz, Joan claimed that by constantly making fun of Liz's weight (in the late 70s /early 80s), Joan had been trying to "help" Liz by motivating her to get in shape. Liz described this encounter as Joan trying to "take credit for" Liz's weight loss.

Joan was a bully and a bitch. She dealt with her own insecurities by trying to make other people feel insecure about themselves. That's classic schoolyard bully / mean girl behavior.

She made so much hay about the Carson snub, but really, what was she expecting? She went from his guest host straight to his main competition. I'm not saying she should have stayed playing second fiddle to Johnny Carson forever, but she really couldn't accept that her career move ended whatever relationship they had?

Liz Taylor stands in front of a microwave and screams, "Hurry!"

Did Joan's pussy stink?

R202, who knows, but it was dry, as Howard Stern attested to when he spoke at her funeral.

Liz Taylor had a roast and it turned into a Joan Rivers roast.

My thread is a huge success

[quote]She made so much hay about the Carson snub, but really, what was she expecting? She went from his guest host straight to his main competition. I'm not saying she should have stayed playing second fiddle to Johnny Carson forever, but she really couldn't accept that her career move ended whatever relationship they had?

Carson didn't seem to have a problem with that Brenner guy having a syndicated show that aired opposite him, at the same time Rivers debuted hers. When it flopped, he even invited Brenner back on the Tonight Show and claimed to have had no hard feelings. Who knows why he couldn't do the same to Joan.

Everybody talked about in this thread is dead.

Joan was a big believer of recycling, long before it was popular.

All of her Liz Taylor jokes were reused for Kirstie Alley, then again for Adele

[quote]My thread is a huge success

No, dear. Your thread has taken several days to reach 209 posts. If it were a "huge success," it would have reach 209 replies the very day it was first published.

R209, like a Joey Lawrence post.

[quote]Rivers vs Carson would be an excellent idea for a Ryan Murphy Feud miniseries .

I could use the work.

[quote] If you go back and look at the 20th century men that would have been Joan's heroes, like Jack Benny, Bob Hope, etc.

Except Bob Hope and Jack Benny were dead for decades before Joan came along with her uppity attitude.

R212 no. When do you think Joan started? Joan started in the business in the 1950s and became a "star" in 1965. Bob Hope was still doing specials in the 1990s. Jack Benny remained a major star until he died in 1974.

"When a mosquito sees Liz Taylor they scream BUFFET!"

Elizabeth Taylor puts mayonnaise on an aspirin

" She stands in front of the microwave and screams HURRY!"

"When Elizabeth Taylor sits around the house, she really sits around the house!"

"Take my wife, Please!" Oh wait, wrong comedian.

"I have no sex appeal and it has screwed me up for life. Peeping Toms look at my window and pull down the shade."

"... would have been Joan's heroes, like Jack Benny, Bob Hope, etc.

I doubt if Joan patterned herself after them. More like Lenny Bruce, Don rickles and Rodney Dangerfield.

[quote]"I have no sex appeal and it has screwed me up for life. Peeping Toms look at my window and pull down the shade."

This sounds more like a Phyllis Diller joke.

" how do you make a Jewish American Princess scream? You fuck her up the ass and wipe your dick on her drapes"

"I asked Bo Derek how she liked her coffee. She said, "In a cup."

"“I exercise. Well, I don’t EXERCISE, I’m Jewish. If you want me to bend over, you put diamonds on the floor.”

R220 I didn't mean she modeled herself on them, but they would have been the "stars" that she would have looked up to since a child. She and Lenny Bruce were more of contemporaries.

"Is Elizabeth Taylor fat? Her favorite food is seconds,"

She was a lot more self deprecating before her husband died and she got kicked off the show.

Sadly Feud is about the only Ryan Murphy show that won’t have new episodes.

This is from her prime years, making gay jokes when a lot of straight people were still uptight about saying the word in public. That's why a lot of us elder gays loved her at the time. Once Edgar died, she got bitter and her humor took a dive. She was never as funny. But these earlier years were quotable.

It's not just the jokes. She was so likable and identifiable. Very sad what happened to her.

R229. That made me miss Joan again. One can hear all the queens howling in the room. Hilarious

I can’t believe we’re calling Joan a “bully” because she made fun of the biggest movie star in the world. Boo-hoo. Seriously, if people who make $15-20 million a picture can’t take it, they have no business being in their business. (And trust me, they hear worse from their producers, agents, and likely abusive boyfriends/husbands everyday). Even on the BTS Facts of Life that recently aired the people who worked on the show said the case was much more hurt by the producers and agents reactions than Joan Rivers jokes — because she was a comedian, that was her job.

For the most part, she “punched up.” And like she said, grow the fuck up. Suddenly we care about the delicate egos of spoiled stars?

*the FOL cast not case

Please try to keep up dear r232 we're not calling Joan a bully here, we're calling her a CUNT

R234, not to mention unfunny.

It was basically one-liners, like Henny Youngman. Have scribes write zingers, memorize them- voila!- a nightclub act.

And I do love her fast-talking, raspy delivery.

Knock me out with the first pain, wake me up when the hairdresser shows!

When my watah broke, my dog drowned.

Jokes you can't say anymore:

I got raped but he put the mask over MY face.

Poor little rich mean girl, a really really old mean girl.

She left us Melissa who never made a dime on her own.

I'm someone who was a fan who became a non-fan but I saw this on my YT feed. Joan goes after Whoopi on The View for defending Mel Gibson. It almost makes me Team Joan again.

Does anyone remember Totie Field? Rusty "Knockers Up" Warren?

Those were lady comediennes.

And Josephine Boyer who used to open for Gypsy Rose Lee in the bawdy houses. There have been a lot of women in the business.

Joan was a Trump fan and Melissa voted for him.

R162, Oh who cares? No man every put his hand up a woman's skirt looking for a library card.

Saw Joan live in the early 1970s twice. She was awesome. Almost all her comedy was about herself. She wasn't going after La Liz yet and other big names. Also when she was on Carson then I can remember how they played off of each other. They were hysterical. And later she became a Twatty Cunt. "No man ever put his hand up a woman's dress looking for a library card."

That View clip reminds me how much I don't miss Barbara Walters. Every season I'd think... c'mon Barb, it's time to retire, but she refused to give up control. She must have been reading or hearing about how embarrassing she'd become. I was starting to believe she would croak on camera and in her View chair.

Minnie Pearl was funny AND wholesome!

R248 I can't find a video of the special, but Joan was one of the comedians that joined the stars of country music to pay tribute to Minnie in 1992's Hats Off to Minnie Pearl: America Salutes Minnie Pearl. Minnie was like Moms Mabley, someone who paved the way for women like Phyllis and Joan. They had to do their acts in costumes and by creating a character to be accepted, women like Joan were able to largely be themselves, and Phyllis was halfway between the two. If you watch the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel which is clearly "inspired" by Joan. I would say that Sophie Lennon is at least partly based on Minnie Pearl, with some other older comics thrown in as well. Like Sophie, Minnie was an educated lady, who studied drama in college, only to become famous playing a low class uneducated character. She also lived in a mansion as a gracious lady of the manor, very different from her stage persona. One major difference is that whereas Sophie is terribly bitter and nasty about her success, everyone says that Minnie was very gracious and appreciative of her success. She also was known for mentoring young comics and country stars.

Minnie Pearl's bush.

Funny you should mention that, OP.

Joan Rivers did an episode of "Louie" with Louis C.K. in which Louis complains about working for Trump, doing shows at Trump venues under shitty conditions and Trump's shitty politics.

But Joan tells Louis to shut up and accept the job; that Louis is lucky to be working and to just get over himself and accept Trump gigs.

Then Louie and Joan fuck, right R251? I know that sounds like I'm making a joke but I'm serious, that's the episode where they go off to fuck at the end, I believe.

The first time I ever saw here was on Sunset at a restaurant nightclub called Carlos and Charlie's. She was fast and fucking on fire. She used that small audience of maybe 50 people to kind of practice her jokes before going on the Tonight Show. Like many comedians, they pick someone out of the audience to crack a joke about and she was no different. However, after the show was over, she bought them a bottle of champagne for being good sports about it.

I think everyone agrees Joan during the Johnny era was wonderful. Post Carson, she deteriorated, personally and professionally. Comics are known to be bitter, unhappy people but Joan magnified it by staying around for too long. Spy magazine once aptly said that Edgar's blessing was that he wouldn't be alive to see the rest of her career.

The Queen of judging others look.

She's 78 years old there, dear. She made more fun of herself than she did of others. Smart, quick and hilarious to the end.

[quote] I would say that Sophie Lennon is at least partly based on Minnie Pearl

She has an awful lot of Sophie Tucker in her as well.

"Carson couldn't even have his assistant send her some flowers when Edgar died."

And why would he? She betrayed him in the ONE way you just don't betray people in the entertainment business.

R258, again, that's Rivers' take. If you'll notice, her entire career has been about her being a victim. When she started being the victim AND victimizer, that was it for her career.

If Carson did send flowers, Rivers would never admit it because it doesn't go with her story of being done wrong by Carson.

Why did she choose Edgar over her show? That was fucking dumb. He clearly was ruining everything for her. No wonder she was so damn bitter. She should have dumped his sorry ass.

Anyway if the Tonight Show really wanted her to stay they should have tried a lot harder. Why should she have stayed if she wasn’t gonna get the show?

Her Archive of American Television interview is quite good actually. She’s funny but not “on,” and comes across well.

The rumors were that she and Edgar were married on paper alone. She had a long time affair with comic Tom Dreesen. He was her manager first and foremost.

I don't think the Tonight Show or NBC gave a shit about her. Carson was the one who loved her but everyone was aware of her limitations. Once a week every month or so was fantastic but anything more and she was hard to take. Carson couldn't get Letterman the Tonight Show gig either. But there was no trying to get her to stay, as far as the Tonight Show staff was concerned, she was already staying. Freddy DeCordova said that on her last visit, she was still discussing guests with them for her next hosting appearances when she'd already signed with Fox.

Another thing that created the rift is that Rivers tried to hire away a lot of the Tonight Show staff including Peter Lasalley. That's not going to go over well anywhere.

Wasn't Carson especially pissed because the news didn't come from Joan herself? I think he learned it from the press.

R262, yes and Joan finally admitted she made a mistake on the Carson PBS documentary.

R257 Yes, that was the other name that I just couldn't remember. The character is very much an amalgamation of several people, Minnie Pearl, Sophie Tucker, Gracie Fields, etc.

Bump

Melissa has tried to rewrite history and say her mother would be horrified by him.

I think Joan would have found a unique way to avoid a hate backlash but be quite funny about the presidency.

Hey border kids let's play rub the cloth on the table. Old enough to migrate, old enough to dust. (to paraphrase one of her old jokes.)