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"Perry Mason" on HBO

I couldn't find another thread on it yet, but the search function is messed up.

I was really impressed. it's much more like Raymond Chandler than Erle Stanley Gardner, but it was terrific. A first-class recreation of 1931 Los Angeles that looked both believable yet not too ugly and dark colored (the common mistake with contemporary movies and shows set during the Depression). The kidnapped baby's mutilation with the threads in its eyelids was memorably horrifying in an age when it's hard to horrify anymore, and Matthew Rhys might be the best male actor working in television today. So far the only thing I don't like is the obnoxious and unattractive fat aviatrix girlfriend (I like that she's a Latina character, but why can't he fuck someone reasonably attractive?).

by Anonymousreply 35908/28/2020

I didn't even know it took place in the 30s. Now I'm interested!

by Anonymousreply 106/21/2020

[quote] it's much more like Raymond Chandler than Erle Stanley Gardner,

In that case they should have filmed Raymond Chandler characters. Not an Erle Stanley Gardner show.

by Anonymousreply 206/21/2020

Have you even [italic]read[/italic] the early Erle Stanley Gardner stories from "Black Mask" in the 30s, r2?

by Anonymousreply 306/21/2020

Sorry--the early stories were mostly in the Saturday Evening Post, not Black Mask.

by Anonymousreply 406/21/2020

I found it dull and derivative. Another hard-boiled fella who never has the time or energy to clean up. The music was great if not entirely original in its conception. But, Rhys is watchable so I’ll give It a few more episodes to hook me.

by Anonymousreply 506/21/2020

R5 I agree. However, I think I might just stick with it. There's nothing else to watch this summer (or so it appears), so whatever. It's not awful. I read that Nic Pizzolatto was originally connected to the reboot, thank god he doesn't appear to be involved anymore.

by Anonymousreply 606/22/2020

Any nudity?

by Anonymousreply 706/22/2020

God forbid they make a period piece detective show that isn't "gritty".

by Anonymousreply 806/22/2020

My biopics.

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by Anonymousreply 906/22/2020

Wrong thread, oopsie!

by Anonymousreply 1006/22/2020

[quote]Any nudity?

Yes, if you're a chubby chaser.

by Anonymousreply 1106/22/2020

Matthew Rhys is okay, but he's no me!

by Anonymousreply 1206/22/2020

I despise Lithgow, horrible actor in everything. I did the first episode but if they use him a lot I will stop watchin.

by Anonymousreply 1306/23/2020

I enjoyed the first episode, though the ratings were really underwhelming. (On the other Hand, ratings for Yellowstone’s premiere were double that of last year).

Matthew Rhys was great, and so was Lithgow. I don’t know how anyone can watch Lithgow and call him a horrible actor. His Churchill in The Crown was incredible.

by Anonymousreply 1406/23/2020

Is HBO doling this series out one episode at a time? I might watch it (although I'll have to pretend it's not Perry Mason), but I'll wait until they're all available and I can binge.

I think it would have been more interesting and perhaps gotten better ratings if they had set the show in the late '40s and had Mason as a young attorney, first building his reputation - that is, in keeping with the timeline of the familiar and still-popular TV series. And nothing beats late '40s-early '50s LA for noir atmosphere, if that's what they're going for.

by Anonymousreply 1506/23/2020

love it. best new show of is hot, its yes gritty and amazing cinematography......good script.....YEA

by Anonymousreply 1606/24/2020

I gave up after 20 minutes. A whole lot of meh.

by Anonymousreply 1706/24/2020

Dark and rich in story, im digging it....matthew is sexy as fuk, a real man.

by Anonymousreply 1806/24/2020

[quote]I enjoyed the first episode, though the ratings were really underwhelming.

Perry Mason surprises with HBO's biggest ratings debut in years.

The legal-detective drama premiered Sunday night to the cable network's biggest series premiere ratings in two years.

Mason was watched by a total of 1.7 million viewers across all platforms — that's more than the comic drama Watchmen (1.5 million) or the Stephen King adaptation The Outsider (1.2 million). If the show continues close to this level in the ratings, a pickup is all but assured.

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by Anonymousreply 1906/24/2020

I tried watching but couldn't get into it. The whole time I was watching, I was thinking, "I bet he smells really bad". Smoking, drinking, never seemed to shower. No thanks.

by Anonymousreply 2006/24/2020

Glad to hear it did well, eager for the rest of the season, he is an amazing actor, was terrific on The Americans..

by Anonymousreply 2106/24/2020

There’s the potential for that to happen r15. A second or third season could move Mason into the 1940s. HBO wants to get as much mileage as it can out of the property.

by Anonymousreply 2206/24/2020

Hated it. Didn't get in more than 15 minutes. Boring.

by Anonymousreply 2306/24/2020

It was grotty. I’m sick of directors putting green filters over camera lenses & filming on too-dark sets to make us feel gritty. I don’t want to see dirty looking people fucking. Matthew Rhys’s head seems to have grown too gigantic for his body & he looks like a circus geek. Dirty, dark, foul, smelly looking people doing uninteresting things with violence. No thanks.

by Anonymousreply 2406/24/2020

R19, I got the Perry Mason ratings from show buzz, which say It came in 89th of 150 shows on Sunday Night.

Its 18-49 demo rating was 0.09 at 9 pm and drew 884k viewers. In comparison, at the same hour, Yellowstone had a demo of 0.89 and over 4M viewers, finishing in 1st place for the night. The difference is stark.

The article you cite mentions “across all platforms,” so I’m sure HBO prefers that spin, adding their different time zone airings, repeats , etc. Regardless, in its 9 pm time slot, the show did not get good ratings.

by Anonymousreply 2506/24/2020

[quote]The difference is stark.

As is the difference in standards of ratings success between cable and pay-cable TV. HBO is extremely happy with Perry Mason. That doesn't detract from the performance of Yellowstone, which is a huge hit (though a mediocre show).

by Anonymousreply 2606/25/2020

Very happy, !

by Anonymousreply 2706/25/2020

Need more Matthew Rhys nudity. That man is so beautiful

by Anonymousreply 2806/25/2020

Agreed, juicy as heck...smells like beer and irony...

by Anonymousreply 2906/25/2020

I loved it. It was beautiful to look at, but I love a slow burn story. I loved the way he fucked that chick. It was nasty/hot. Della was a surprise to me, I'm not sure what to make of her yet. They introduce Paul Drake next week. They made the character a black cop, so it will be interesting to see how his story evolves. The fat guy who was fucking the youngest Sheffield daughter had a huge cock.

by Anonymousreply 3006/25/2020

I loved it yet still have to agree with r24’s reservations.

by Anonymousreply 3106/25/2020

hope its ratings are fab, and has long run, best new show of the year....

by Anonymousreply 3206/27/2020

My husband is an actor and had a small part in cocksucking is coming up!

by Anonymousreply 3306/27/2020

hope it involves the hot/perry/matthew !!!!

by Anonymousreply 3406/27/2020

I’m with R23. It was trying SO HARD with the setting and the “vibe” but it was cliche writing and overdone everything. I I prefer more subtlety from cable shows.

P MASON made me realize how amazing most of THE AMERICANS was. And Rhys was just so excellent in that. This felt like a step down in quality.

by Anonymousreply 3506/27/2020

Perry Mason reminds me how boring nd tedious the Americans was, Mason is pure thriller detective fun. I adore matthew in his dirty wife beater and suckin on a Lucky as he downs whiskey.. I remain, his ass eating whore.

by Anonymousreply 3606/28/2020

That first episode was mighty slow.

I'm continuing to watch because I like the lead actor and the period genre.

But that first episode was awful slow.

by Anonymousreply 3706/28/2020

[quote]My husband is an actor and had a small part in cocksucking is coming up!

So they're doing an homage to Raymond Burr and William Hopper?

by Anonymousreply 3806/28/2020

R38, I think that would require two scenes, because, while Burr definitely enjoyed smoking the occasional pipe and many people say Hopper did (although I have never seen anyone present actual evidence of same), I don't think they enjoyed each's company in a carnal way, shall we say.

Burr seems to have preferred younger, more boyish types, which would rule out robust, manly Bill Hopper. Since no one has ever claimed direct knowledge of Hopper's supposed homo- or bisexuality, I have no idea what his type was.

by Anonymousreply 3906/28/2020

It's super-violent. The discovery of the corpse with its head split in two was something else.

It's also super-expensive--they've really spent a fortune on the sets. Last week they had the incredible re-creation of the original Angels Flight raillway at its original location, and this week the huge scene of the Dodson mother being arrested outside the Temple.

Matthew Rhys's face is incredible. It's about the most expressive face in acting. he looks like he's been in incredible torment. it will be interesting to see how Perry Mason once had sex with a man (which he admitted to the DA this episode).

I'm really glad to see Lili Taylor. It's weird to see her playing women in their fifties (I always think of her decades ago in "Dogfight"), but her face is perfect for the Great Depression.

by Anonymousreply 4006/28/2020

Trivia: the actress last episode who played the Joan Crawford-like star "Velma Duffy," aka "Red" (the beautiful woman who had sex with the Fatty Arbuckle-like character), is Madeline Zima, who played the youngest daughter on "The Nanny."

by Anonymousreply 4106/28/2020

That hussy is NOT based on ME!!!

by Anonymousreply 4206/28/2020

You were pretty much a hussy still in 1932, J. The world's most popular hussy, but still a hussy.

by Anonymousreply 4306/28/2020

I usually love Matthew.

Not so much in this.

by Anonymousreply 4406/28/2020

The quality of this is so beautiful. they know they have a winner as theyr spending so much on it.

Mr Rhys is amazing, and highly respected in the business.

Delighted the ratings are terrific.

by Anonymousreply 4506/29/2020


I thought he had the homo sex to get out of the army

by Anonymousreply 4606/29/2020

Rhys is not even ugly hot. The least believable part of the Americans was that no one questioned why Keri fucking Russell was married to that.

by Anonymousreply 4706/29/2020

The second episode was so much better than the first. This is going to be a good series and Perry Mason was "queer only once".

by Anonymousreply 4806/29/2020

I'm always delighted when Stephen Root shows up.

by Anonymousreply 4906/29/2020

R47 You haven't seen a lot of straight couples, have you?

by Anonymousreply 5006/29/2020

Matthew Rhys and Keri Russell are a real life couple.

by Anonymousreply 5106/29/2020

[quote] Matthew Rhys and Keri Russell are a real life couple.

Which negates your (ill-conceived) claim, r47.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I find Rhys hot, and so does Keri Russell.

by Anonymousreply 5206/29/2020

It's almost like different people have different tastes!

by Anonymousreply 5306/29/2020

It wants to be Rome & Game of Thones in 1930s California. Meh.

by Anonymousreply 5406/29/2020

That makes no sense, r54. How does it want to be like Rome & Game of Thrones? because it is expensive?

by Anonymousreply 5506/29/2020

Raymond Burr is Perry Mason. Plus, Burr was a hot hunky bear when he was younger, and a silver fox when he was older.

Ryhs is too thin and too average.

I'll pass.

by Anonymousreply 5606/29/2020

[quote] How does it want to be like Rome & Game of Thrones? because it is expensive?

Violence, death & explicit sex

It’s HBO. Sunday night, 9pm. It’s required.

by Anonymousreply 5706/29/2020

We’re we supposed to recognize they guy who killed his co-conspirators in ep. 1?

by Anonymousreply 5806/29/2020


So we now know Ennis, a cop, is in on the kidnapping.

What's more to know, why should I keep watching?

by Anonymousreply 5906/29/2020

So it was the junior cop who (cliche alarm) has some history with the hero PI?

by Anonymousreply 6006/29/2020

If you are going to post spoilers R60 alert us. I don't plan on watching the show until I have DVR-ed all episodes.

by Anonymousreply 6106/29/2020


Then maybe you shouldn’t be reading this thread until you have watched it

by Anonymousreply 6206/29/2020

If you are not going to watch the show for a couple of months, you should stay out of the thread in which people who are watching it now discuss it. Spoilers are inevitable.

by Anonymousreply 6306/29/2020

I’m not sure anything revealed in episode 1 can truly be called a spoiler.

by Anonymousreply 6406/29/2020

It wouldn't hurt you to be courteous R62 and R63 and just say "spoiler alert" before you post. Many people read threads about a show or movie before they have watched it and most people have been courteous. It is assholes like you two that make coming here less enjoyable.

by Anonymousreply 6506/29/2020

[quote]Violence, death & explicit sex

It's Boardwalk Empire all over again, especially seeing that BE director/writer/producer Tim Van Patten shot this week's and last week's episode, Stephen Root turned up in this episode and Shea Whigham costars.

by Anonymousreply 6606/29/2020

The reason HBO still releases series one episode at a time is so that watching the show can be a communal experience. It is not reasonable for someone to expect every plot point mentioned all season to be proceeded by a spoiler alert for the benefit of someone who wishes to participate in a conversation about a show they haven’t watched yet. And I did not find your complaint particularly polite.

by Anonymousreply 6706/29/2020

R65 Adult yourself.

by Anonymousreply 6806/29/2020

If you're going to go onto a thread about a TV show on Datalounge, r65, then you can alwaus expect people on the thread to reveal what last happened after the episode of that show airs. That has [bold]always[/bold] been the way with TV show threads on Datalounge: people would talk about what happened during the last aired episode on the last Game of Thrones or Mad Men thread without posting "spoiler alert!"

If you don't like that tradition, then just don't click on DL threads about TV shows you haven't seen. And if you do, expect you'll get things spoiled for you.

And by the way: you might as well can it with the prissy "this is an outrage to my wounded sense of etiquette!" tone when you yourself are calling other people "assholes."

by Anonymousreply 6906/29/2020

[quote] What's more to know, why should I keep watching?

You do not have to keep watching if you do not want to do so.

by Anonymousreply 7006/29/2020

So Perry likes cocks?

by Anonymousreply 7106/29/2020

R69, I agree with your point about spoilers. Back in the day, Television Without Pity used to create non-spoiler threads for popular shows so people who hadn't seen the latest episode could still talk about it. At IMDB, people used to put [SPOILER] in thread titles, but there were always lots of threads that weren't spoilery. Nowadays, with the severely shrunken discussion options online, if you read a thread about movie or TV show, you have to expect spoilers.

As for the communal experience, I do miss it. I recall with nostalgia rushing to TWOP to discuss the latest episode of Mad Men. There would be such a tidal wave of comments, I sometimes took the day after the premiere and final episodes off from work just to keep up with the fun. It was part of the movie experience to come home and see what others had to say on IMDB. But all that's gone now.

Week-by-week watching isn't worth it, especially now that so many people binge watch that there just isn't that much discussion anymore. (Note that there are only 71 replies after two episodes of PM.) I'm just barely enough of a grownup to wait to find out what happens next, but I can't stand having to organize my schedule around watching a TV show; and, if you're going to leave the show in your DVR or on Amazon for several weeks, you might as well binge watch the whole series. This is more than a bit ironic because, as an eldergay, organizing my entertainment time around the TV schedule was essential for most of my life. Now that I've been liberated, though, I'm not going back.

by Anonymousreply 7206/29/2020

Perry didn't seem very into fucking that fat Latina.

by Anonymousreply 7306/29/2020

Even the Guardian's threads about TV shows contain spoilers these days, people should learn to live with them.

I will give this HBO series a try since it's HBO.

by Anonymousreply 7406/29/2020

I'm enjoying the show, so far, but I didn't grow up with the original Perry Mason so I have an admittedly (dumb) question. Maybe it's just that the remake is bland and generic with the characterization, but can someone explain what makes the character of Perry Mason PERRY MASON? Maybe a better way to ask it is, what is/was the character of Perry Mason known for? Right now, the actual character seems pretty typical of other tv detectives. Does he have anything special?

by Anonymousreply 7506/29/2020

He's the prototype for all detectives.

by Anonymousreply 7606/29/2020

[quote] He's the prototype for all detectives.


by Anonymousreply 7706/29/2020

[quote] Maybe it's just that the remake is bland and generic with the characterization, but can someone explain what makes the character of Perry Mason PERRY MASON? Maybe a better way to ask it is, what is/was the character of Perry Mason known for? Right now, the actual character seems pretty typical of other tv detectives. Does he have anything special?

This is from the wikipedia page on the character Perry Mason, and answers you question:

"Julian Symons has noted that Erle Stanley Gardner "had spent more than twenty years practicing law in California, and the knowledge he gained was put to good use in the Perry Mason stories, which hinge on points of law, forensic medicine or science as clever as a watch mechanism … and also the total lack of characterization".

While the Mason novels were largely a form of pulp fiction of the sort that began Gardner's writing career, they are unusual in that the whodunit mysteries usually involved two solutions: one in which the authorities believed (wherein Mason's client was guilty) and an alternative explanation (wherein Mason's client was innocent). Almost always, the second half of each novel is devoted to a courtroom scene, during which Mason arrives at the alternative explanation and proves it to the satisfaction of the court. "It is perfectly true that our author works to formula; in one sense, the plot never varies," wrote Jacques Barzun. "Having said this, one must add that the variety of persons and circumstances and the ingenuity in contriving the details that Gardner dreamed up in his dozens of cases are astonishing and entrancing.""

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by Anonymousreply 7806/29/2020

R78 Thank you. I had looked on the wikipedia page for the original tv show with Raymond Burr, but NOT the actual character Wikipedia page (obviously). And, well, this explains a lot: "and also the total lack of characterization."

by Anonymousreply 7906/29/2020

Robert Downey Jr. was originally cast as Mason. His smugness and smirking would have been unbearable.

by Anonymousreply 8006/29/2020

I turned it off pretty quickly. Not because it was bad; I wanted to enjoy it. But when they showed the baby. . .that just bothered me. What the hell did they do to it? It looked like they tattooed crosses on its eyes. I turned it off right there; it just seemed sick.

by Anonymousreply 8106/29/2020

They sewed his eyelids open to make the parents think he was alive.

by Anonymousreply 8206/29/2020

I'm liking it more and more, but as I said above, it repeats and plays to what we all think Los Angeles was in the 1930s. It's not terribly original to show us the seamy underbelly of a town running on glamour and beauty. We get it -- it was all just Day of the Locust, and every cop is crooked, every dame is hard-boiled, every detective holds a secret that makes him a chick magnet, and every lawyer is not to be trusted. I'll stick with it because my husband is hooked.

Hair and makeup are spot on. Sets are great and the war scenes are unexpectedly involving. Rhys is good and looks good in a fedora. Lithgow is wonderful, and so is Rylance in. a great new version of Della Street.

by Anonymousreply 8306/29/2020

Well, it's a lot better than the new season of Penny Dreadful which is set in the same time and location.

by Anonymousreply 8406/29/2020

Stephen Root, John Lithgow, and Shea Whigham. It's a trifecta of my favorite character actors.

by Anonymousreply 8506/29/2020

R81 Sick indeed, but also a reference to this historic LA murder.

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by Anonymousreply 8606/29/2020

R83, I think the wigs are terrible. Emily Dodson’s is probably the worst wig I’ve seen in years. Sister Alice’s is the second worst. Della’s is the third.

by Anonymousreply 8706/29/2020

Anyway, wigs aside, this is very enjoyable. Top-drawer talent.

Matthew Rhys reminds me of Paul Dooley around the eyes. Like a Bassett hound, capable of looking so so sad.

And are we to assume that Perry’s extreme reaction to Emily’s infidelity is some kind of PTSD due to his own wife?

by Anonymousreply 8806/29/2020

R87 I imagine it was difficult to decide whether to recreate the Angels Flight OR buy good wigs.

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by Anonymousreply 8906/29/2020

sposed to have some hot gay moments in the series.....I think its beautiful.....wish we could binge on the whole thing. FUN SHOW

by Anonymousreply 9006/30/2020

no kidding, penny dreadful is shit, cept for the gay stuff......super dum plotlines,,,,,,,,gag

by Anonymousreply 9106/30/2020

Penny Dreadful is supernatural shit.

by Anonymousreply 9206/30/2020

[quote] super dum plotlines,,,,,,,,gag


by Anonymousreply 9306/30/2020

I didn't know that there was a real-life original for the dead Dodson baby (even down to the corpse's eyes being forced artificially open to fool the parents paying the ransom). Thanks r86--I'm always surprised when Datalounge brings up another crime that was notorious in its time that I had never heard about before.

I did a little checking on line--here's one of the creepy ransom notes that was sent to Marion Parker's father.

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by Anonymousreply 9406/30/2020

I'm loving it so far. I live in DTLA and wish they'd kept the sets up-it's a shithole down here! I enjoyed Penny Dreadful but the writing was bad. Perry Mason has tighter writing and the plot is moving faster. I find it odd that both shows feature an Aimee Semple McPherson plotline. I guess she's 2020's "It Girl".

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by Anonymousreply 9506/30/2020

She really is having a moment, R95. They released a movie about her pretty recently, too.

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by Anonymousreply 9606/30/2020

"Aimee Semple McPherson plotline. I guess she's 2020's 'It Girl'."

And I played her in 1976!

by Anonymousreply 9706/30/2020

R97 Yes, bitch, you did.

by Anonymousreply 9806/30/2020

God, it took me forever to place the grieving mom!

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by Anonymousreply 9906/30/2020

R99 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH, I was wondering why she looked so familiar, but never cared enough to look it up!!

by Anonymousreply 10006/30/2020

I knew that was Sheila from GLOW from the first moment, but it was Juliet Rylance that as driving me crazy because I couldn't place her. Then I looked up the cast. She looks so different from her role in The Knick with short black hair.

by Anonymousreply 10106/30/2020

I think the look of the show is very impressive, but I thought that Penny Dreadful also pulled that off and it was the highlight of that series. It was a shock that the Perry character isn't an attorney, but I also never read any of the books.

by Anonymousreply 10206/30/2020

The grieving mom also played Queen Victoria in "The Greatest Showman".

by Anonymousreply 10306/30/2020

The grieving mom looks a lot like my mother and her sisters when they were young. (They were blonde and rosy, though). Freaks me out.

by Anonymousreply 10406/30/2020

episode 2 is so goood .. the production value is off the charts, old streets, cars, trolley cars, etc.....the best ive seen in a while.

matthew rhys as usual is brilliant.

but they need to show more of his/perry's gay life, and less of the war flashbacks, oy vey.

by Anonymousreply 10507/04/2020

Wish we could binge the whole season, eager to see perry's hot ass get plunged. Its a kool crime thriller show, great acting all round. (goood casting)

by Anonymousreply 10607/04/2020

I thought that sex scene in episode 1 was super hot, despite the fact that Matthew Rhys was fully clothed. She fucked him out of the bed!

by Anonymousreply 10707/04/2020

[quote]The least believable part of the Americans was that no one questioned why Keri fucking Russell was married to that.

Did you somehow miss that they were KGB agents in a phony arranged marriage?

by Anonymousreply 10807/04/2020

Oh, you mean why none of the other characters questioned it? Because they're both incredibly good looking and I can't even figure out which character you think was out of the other's league.

by Anonymousreply 10907/04/2020

rhys is hot as fuk, his being a brilliant actor only intensifys the thrust of his thick fat cock

by Anonymousreply 11007/05/2020

Still waiting for the cock sucking - but I'm enjoying the show.....

by Anonymousreply 11107/05/2020

I keep getting flashes of Paul Dooley when Perry looks pensive.

So is Sister Alice schizophrenic? Epileptic? What’s in the IV?

Officer Drake is inexplicably hot to me.

by Anonymousreply 11207/05/2020

Watching Episode 3. Whoa, this is slow.

by Anonymousreply 11307/05/2020

I am actually more hooked than I thought I would be. Not only do we need to find out why the baby was killed and not just returned to the Dobsons, and how both Dobsons are involved as well as Ennis (the evil LAPD detective), but we also don't know why Mason got the "blue ticket" (which was a dishonorable discharge from the army for being gay), but also what Sister Alice's story is and what she's going to do about trying to resurrect the baby.

My guess is that the show will become more and more about the courtroom as the season progresses--this IS Perry Mason after all.

I like both Chris Chalk as Paul Drake and Diarra Kilpatrick as his wife.

Few people have aged worse than Robert Patrick. He was so sexy in Terminator 2 and now he looks like a fat corpse.

by Anonymousreply 11407/05/2020

I was excited to see Chris Chalk in this. He is sexy af. Still enjoy his performance in Homeland.

Tonight's episode had me riveted. I'm really getting curious about Sister Alice's relationship with her mother. I think she's epileptic but it brings on her visions. I think she's seen something with Mrs. Dodson.

by Anonymousreply 11507/05/2020

Getting better with ev episode, love the old clothes, cars and rhys is as usual sexy and witty.

hope we see his hot rump getting abused with joyous abandon.

by Anonymousreply 11607/06/2020

John Lithgow has always been too weird looking for me.....something about his chin and mouth seem deformed and creepy.....

Chris Chalk is doing a great job in this many questions. I hope the answers are worthy of the time we're taking to watch....and not just explained away with stupid explanations that don't make any sense i.e. Ryan Murphy.

by Anonymousreply 11707/06/2020

Enjoying it so far, good production values, like a sunny Babylon Berlin.

Della's a sanctimonious nag

by Anonymousreply 11807/06/2020

Three episodes in. Pretty good. Solid actors. But is rather quickly becoming convoluted. I hope it doesn't collapse under too many contrivances. They're piling up. Too much "mystery" can be a bad thing.

by Anonymousreply 11907/06/2020

Chris Chalk is fantastic in this. Most of HBO’s expensive actors are playing mopey stereotypes, but Chalk communicates intensity and unpredictability. I hope he plays a bigger part in this show.

by Anonymousreply 12007/06/2020

Chris Chalk is really gorgeous. I've never seen him in anything before.

by Anonymousreply 12107/07/2020

The woman who plays Della looks like a younger Catherine Keener.

by Anonymousreply 12207/07/2020

^ She really does. Is the coroner supposed to be gay? What kind of fun time was he hoping for?

I thought Lithgow was positively heartbreaking this episode.

by Anonymousreply 12307/12/2020

I think the point is that Virgil the coroner is very lonely and has poor social skills, and that people hate hearing his stories about cutting up corpses. He just wanted to share friendly stories with Perry and his associate.

I'm not sure that he's meant to be gay. The actor who plays him, Jefferson Mays, is gay, so maybe he just can't hide it well.

by Anonymousreply 12407/12/2020

I actually thought Lithgow was pretty hammy. He usually is, which is why he was so good as Churchill (who was a hammy person in real life).

by Anonymousreply 12507/12/2020

[quote]The actor who plays him, Jefferson Mays, is gay,

Really? Is someone going to tell his wife of almost 20 years?

by Anonymousreply 12607/12/2020

It was COMPLETELY unbelievable that that little blonde girl would carry the box with the giant snakes hidden in it to give to Sister Alice.

That scenario would required that a little girl of only about nine years old was 1) unbelievably strong, 2) had violent enough condemnatory feelings to want to humiliate and denounce Sister Alice as a false prophet and make her physically afraid, 3) was completely unafraid of large snakes, and 4) was an excellent actress who could hide her true feelings of hatred while feigning adoration.

by Anonymousreply 12707/12/2020

R127, that's the whole ethos of the show: in sunny L.A., the entertainment capital of the world, everyone is down for pointlessly gruesome shock effects.

by Anonymousreply 12807/12/2020

And, by the way, does anyone on this show have a motive for doing anything? Maybe I've overlooked something, but I'm not seeing it. All I know is that last week's episode made a point of showing us the map of a proposed subdivision development, always a sign that a show is going to go all "Chinatown" and be about real estate.

by Anonymousreply 12907/12/2020

I saw on IMDB that Lithgow was only in 5 episodes, so I expected him to die. Did anyone else find the suicide a bit too foreshadowed?

by Anonymousreply 13007/12/2020

That's not a convincing argument that that was an intelligently written scene, r128.

by Anonymousreply 13107/12/2020

That’s reassuring, R131, since defending the scene was not my goal.

by Anonymousreply 13207/12/2020

Still no cock sucking.......

by Anonymousreply 13307/13/2020

A bit of lez-lez, though.

by Anonymousreply 13407/13/2020

Who is the guy at the Elk Lodge as far as where Perry has run into him before? I mean, I know we know what the guy did, but who is he in relation to the rest of the story? Is he one of the guys at the cult?

by Anonymousreply 13507/13/2020

each episode is a bit more boring, less of the dead baby stuff plz....more gay

by Anonymousreply 13607/13/2020

He’s the junior detective on the case, and the fourth man who killed everyone.

by Anonymousreply 13707/13/2020

Why doesn't Matthew just do a Brothers and Sisters reboot? We all want that.

by Anonymousreply 13807/13/2020

R135 That's the guy who shot the dude with the false teeth. The corrupt cop.

by Anonymousreply 13907/13/2020

im bout to give up on it, by ep 4 ive seen no homo stuff.....i want some!!!

by Anonymousreply 14007/14/2020

Thanks, R137/R139. I knew he was the fourth guy/killer and shot the other three including the one who did the header off of the roof, I just couldn't figure out if we was really that detective or not or if he had some other "regular" interaction with Perry. The production values are stellar but they also seem to make it harder to tell the guys apart! Even the whack job who gave the baby blanket to Sister last night looked an awful lot like the real baby father for a few seconds, and all of the church elders are indistinguishable from everyone else.

by Anonymousreply 14107/14/2020

R141 Agreed! I thought the dad was the guy who fell off the roof after getting shot. I love the show but all the cops and religious nuts look alike.

by Anonymousreply 14207/15/2020

Maybe that was not their baby that was dead...justa thought.

by Anonymousreply 14307/17/2020

Matthew Rhys is the new age James Goldifini. Pure acting talent. Sexy as fuck too.

by Anonymousreply 14407/17/2020

better see him sukin dik soon or im out of there.

by Anonymousreply 14507/17/2020

Chris Chalk is terrific. He is so unusual looking--he has such craggy features. And he has an amazing commanding presence.

The actor playing the main villain, Ennis, is also really interesting. His name is Andrew Howard, and he's actually from Wales.

I was not surprised what happened this episode--I knew EB would have to be dead after last week's cliffhanger since the miniseries promised to show how Perry Mason got to be who he became (i.e. a successful defense attorney), and at the beginning of the miniseries he's only a private investigator.

Did people really mostly only wear black, white, brown, and grey during the Depression? No wonder they were depressed.

by Anonymousreply 14607/19/2020

I am actually enjoying it as a 1930s LA noir detective story and the set pieces are magnificent, but it bears no resemblance to the books or the Burr series whatsoever so I'm confused why they bothered to call it Perry Mason.

And I like the fat Latina aviatrix a lot. She isn't conventionally attractive by a long shot, but she has plenty of charisma and I like her chemistry with Perry. There are feelings there between them, but they're realistic and mature.

by Anonymousreply 14707/19/2020

Well, they weren't trying to base it on the Raymond Burr series at all. Why would they, when their point here is to give us a new take on the character?

And the Erle Stanley Gardner books (have you actually read them, r147?) are actually famous for telling the readers practically nothing about Mason's background, or how he got to be a defense attorney. They focus almost solely on the cases themselves. So that gives the producers of this series ample room to improvise.

by Anonymousreply 14807/19/2020

Yes, I can't understand naming it Perry Mason, either. Anyone who watched the original series would certainly be over 50, 55 now, wouldn't they? No network cares about viewers that old, so why bother?

The Latina actress, Veronica Falcon, plays a drug kingpin in a rather cheesy USA series, Queen of the South. I like her a lot, too.

by Anonymousreply 14907/20/2020

Geesh i wish he would romp in bed with some hot fella...

by Anonymousreply 15007/20/2020

The Latina woman sounds an awful lot like the late Elizabeth Pena.

by Anonymousreply 15107/20/2020

I like the actress Juliet Rylance who plays Della Street. I don't believe I've seen her in anything before.

by Anonymousreply 15207/20/2020

I finally remembered where I'd seen Rylance before -- it was Cinemax's The Knick, opposite Clive Owen. I like her, too.

by Anonymousreply 15307/20/2020

Still no cock patience is about gone.

Interesting that Lithgow's real son played his son in that one scene....he's not quite as ugly as his father.

Maybe Sister will raise the baby from the dead - because he ain't really dead.....

by Anonymousreply 15407/20/2020

I like the old Raymond Burr series and I like this series. One of the things I liked about the old series, other than the film noir aspects, was all that wasn't said. This show kind of fills in the blanks, in a way and makes the old series richer in my opinion. For instance Burr's Perry was definitely shady and this series sheds more light on why.

by Anonymousreply 15507/20/2020

if u like the guy that plays perry, u must see the very good The Scapegoat....he meets a man who is his twin, but not related, and switch lives. very delightful.....drama/comedy...

im jus now watching all of the Americans, he is brilliant, having trouble with kerry russell, but lots of good minor actors in it . deep and a puzzle.

by Anonymousreply 15607/20/2020

(R154) If you want cocksucking why don't you just watch PORN you stupid shit.

by Anonymousreply 15707/20/2020

Jonathan Rhys is one of those guys that I call "ugly hot".

by Anonymousreply 15807/20/2020

And Matthew Rhys isn't so bad, either.

by Anonymousreply 15907/20/2020

😂😁😎 Thanks R159. I don't know where I got Jonathan Rhys from.

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Did anyone else sense sexual tension between Mason and Hamilton Burger? Was tea drinking 1930s code for homosex?

by Anonymousreply 16207/20/2020

^the waitress seemed to think so

by Anonymousreply 16307/20/2020

"Kavanaugh-he's a scumbag." 😂

by Anonymousreply 16407/20/2020

did they ever say who the guy was at Perry's ex's house? OR the other woman?

by Anonymousreply 16507/20/2020

That's Linda's sister and brother in law.

by Anonymousreply 16607/20/2020

I saw baby's mama in a crazy movie called Her Smell - I think - about three crazy women in a rock band. Elizabeth Moss was the lead singer and baby's mama was the whacked out drummer.....

by Anonymousreply 16707/20/2020

[quote]Thanks [R159]. I don't know where I got Jonathan Rhys from.

You know, JRM and Mathew Rhys played brothers in Julie Taymor's film. Titus, as Tamora's sons, Chiron and Demetrius. Great cast in that movie.

167, you mean Sheila the Wolf was in Her Smell?? I have to see it now. Wasn't the band sort of loosely based on Babes In Toyland/Hole/Sleater Kinney? I do like a good Alex Ross Perry/Elizabeth Moss collaboration. Queen of the Earth was amazing.

by Anonymousreply 16807/20/2020

[quote]Did people really mostly only wear black, white, brown, and grey during the Depression? No wonder they were depressed.

In the Depression, was I depressed? Nowhere near.

by Anonymousreply 16907/20/2020

[quote]The actor playing the main villain, Ennis, is also really interesting. His name is Andrew Howard, and he's actually from Wales.

As is Matthew Rhys.

by Anonymousreply 17007/20/2020

Is Della gay or bi?

by Anonymousreply 17107/20/2020

Yet another detective show no one asked for. This won't last a full season.

by Anonymousreply 17207/20/2020

I’ll take that bet, R172.

by Anonymousreply 17307/20/2020

We'll see R173.

by Anonymousreply 17407/20/2020

I wasn't sold on the first episode, but wanted to give it a shot because I loved Matthew Rhys on The Americans so so much. But at this point, I'm all in. I am really enjoying Tatiana Maslany as Sister Alice. I'm super curious what's going to happen with this resurrection. I love how seedy all the rooms are.

by Anonymousreply 17507/20/2020

The season is eight episodes. Five have already run to good ratings. And you believe HBO is going to pull it off when — before the sixth episode? After the seventh?

by Anonymousreply 17607/20/2020

Yes R168 - the movie is weird, but then so is the subject. I don't know if the band was based on anyone in particular - but those bitches be crazy and exhausting.

by Anonymousreply 17707/21/2020

I absolutely love this show. The period detail and lavish budget only make it more enjoyable. I hope HBO does more seasons of it, although I am wary as it is listed as a mini-series. Sad to see John Lithgow go, but the prospect of Justin Kirk as potentially a gay power player (and power bottom?) is attractive. Fingers crossed.

by Anonymousreply 17807/21/2020

Kirk’s character was the DA who opposes Mason in the TV series..

by Anonymousreply 17907/21/2020

Season 2 baby!!!! Yay!

by Anonymousreply 18007/22/2020

I forgot to include the link.

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by Anonymousreply 18107/22/2020

Two seasons? HA! Call me when you do nine seasons of over 30 episodes each.....then we'll talk.

by Anonymousreply 18207/22/2020

[quote]Season 2 baby!!!

How can that be? R172 told us it wouldn’t even make it through season 1!

by Anonymousreply 18307/22/2020

What wonderful news! I’m so glad HBO is standing behind this show. It really fills a nostalgic void since Six Feet Under, The Sopranos, True Blood and Boardwalk Empire ended; a big, lavish Sunday night HBO adult drama. And, no, I don’t mean Westworld (ugh).

by Anonymousreply 18407/22/2020

Can you imagine how hard Raymond Burr must have worked. I think there were 39 episodes in the first season of the old series.

by Anonymousreply 18507/22/2020

I love Lucy season 1 had 35 episodes! I know it was 30 minutes but still

by Anonymousreply 18607/23/2020

Yea they used to do 39 episodes a year for most series with 13 weeks off for a summer replacement.....My Little Margie was the first summer replacement for I Love Lucy - and then got picked up for its own run.

Reruns didn't become popular until a couple of seasons of the reasons filming a series became the norm.

by Anonymousreply 18707/23/2020

[quote] Did people really mostly only wear black, white, brown, and grey during the Depression? No wonder they were depressed.

No, they didn't. But clothes were often mended or completely repurposed. Most women could sew & pretty much all could baste & cinch a waist. They could buy things like collars to attach to a woman's blouse or to a man's shirt so he could wear a tie. Women could attach a black net to a hat for a funeral.

Fabric shops were in every town. Even in the 1960s lots of girls could sew their own outfits fromSimplicity patterns. Women's magazines often included a pattern for an outfit. My mother could only baste a hem or cinch a waist. She was from a dirt poor family who couldn't afford clothing material to sew into a shirt or skirt.

Families were bigger in the depression and the youngest one got the clothes everyone had already worn, so they looked pretty bad by that time.

I can't remember if it was My Left Foot or Name of the Father where the lead character remarks that each kid went to school in a different day of the week because they didn't have enough clothing. So one girl would wear a dress to school on Monday, one of her sisters would wear it on Tuesday, a different sister would wear it in Wednesday, etc. When not in school, the kids went around the house (and yard) in a nightgown. or just underwear for boys, a diaper for the youngest kids. Underwear didn't exist.

by Anonymousreply 18807/23/2020

Oops. Underwear for each kid didn't exist.

by Anonymousreply 18907/23/2020

hell i aint even seen perrys dam ass

by Anonymousreply 19007/24/2020

It and the alienst part2 are my fave shows of late.... awesome production value...

(i tricked with a whore who had tricked often with raymond b.....tipped dam good he said)

by Anonymousreply 19107/24/2020


perry should boink Dakota Fanning, nude but with ur liddle hat on....

by Anonymousreply 19207/24/2020

I think the person who said this might go in a Chinatown direction was right. Looks like this will lead to the development project being tied up with the church elders wanting to strike it rich. Lots being set up this episode. I missed the first few minutes though. What was the Shea Whigham character investigating with the Pinkerton men?

by Anonymousreply 19307/26/2020

So... is there anything really gay at all in this show?

by Anonymousreply 19407/26/2020

Help me understand something. Della pulled that Perry was apprenticing under EB shit out of thin air right? She typed up that memo and signed EB's name. Perry had no formal law training or schooling, correct? It just seems like Perry became an attorney awfully fast. Except a few awkward moments in court and that fuck up during his opening statement, I would think there would be a bigger indication that this guy was out of his league. I just want to make sure that I didn't miss anything.

Della is a lez R194.

by Anonymousreply 19507/26/2020

funny u should mention chinatown,,,,,i had the same thought...

tho im sick of the one pony plot, and the evangelist fug lady......ugh....kill that plot

she looks like an old honeymooners lady.

by Anonymousreply 19607/26/2020

I thought it was mentioned earlier in the show that Perry had gone to law school but didn't sit for the bar exam. I watched the marathon yesterday. I'm sure I'll watch again, I'm sure.

Anyone wondering if that wasn't really baby Charlie? I'm thinking that's the only way the "rising" will happen again.

by Anonymousreply 19707/27/2020

Perry in the courtroom as an attorney - at last. That was awesome.

But I think there was a mistake - Perry cross examined the baby daddy and seemed to be asking questions about things that weren't covered in the direct examination - which is not legal....

Of course we didn't see the entire direct examination....but.....

Yes. Della said Perry went to law school but didn't sit for the exam.

All of the maps in the credits seem to be pointing to a Chinatown type plot twist.

by Anonymousreply 19807/27/2020

R197 I thought the same thing about baby Charlie....

by Anonymousreply 19907/27/2020

I don't think so, r197. California is one of the few states in which you can apprentice yourself to a lawyer and sit for the bar exam.

by Anonymousreply 20007/27/2020

I mentioned earlier my husband was an extra and said there's gay sex in this but he's wondering if it got cut. Hamilton Berger is gay and it has something to do with that. Still 2 episodes so we'll see. If not this season maybe the next.

by Anonymousreply 20107/27/2020

I don't think I can wait that long R201.

by Anonymousreply 20207/27/2020

[quote] But I think there was a mistake - Perry cross examined the baby daddy and seemed to be asking questions about things that weren't covered in the direct examination - which is not legal....

Not true. He can ask questions to cast doubt on the witness’s credibility.

by Anonymousreply 20307/27/2020

I wasn't happy with the writing last night. Obviously they wrote Mattheew Rhys's mimicry abilities into the script by having his talk to himself in John Lithgow's voice, but it took me right out of the story--only actors are able to mimic people that well (because they train themselves to do it). I thought even less believable was the idea that Perry would repeatedly say "fuck" so frequently in the judge's chambers: even if I could buy that Perry would allow himself to do that (which made no sense since he doesn't swear like that in the courtroom), it is simply unbelievable a judge would stand for that in 1932 during a trial. He would have warned Perry the first time he said "fuck" and thereafter would have thrown him out of his chambers. he wouldn;t have stood for that in his chambers unless he knew Perry VERY well--that's just not how people behaved in those days.

I also thought Perry's breakdown in the car on the road back to his farmhouse was melodramatic and stupid.

I still think the actresses are all terrific, and I am really struck still by how fascinating Chris Chalk is as an actor. I had not seen him before this series. The overall plot line for the series is strong, even though the writing for this particular episode was so weak.

by Anonymousreply 20407/27/2020

Taylor Nichols plays the corrupt church elder with the glasses, and I am surprised he still has the high voice he had when he was a younger actor (he was memorable in the Whit Stillman movies "Metropolitan" and "Barcelona"). I would have thought he would have trained himself to deepen his voice now that he's going to play these kinds of roles for the rest of his career.

by Anonymousreply 20507/27/2020

The actor who plays the judge was Max Headroom.

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I have a friend who is not an actor, but she is a great mimic. She can mimic anyone. One of the fun things she will do at parties is mimic a conversation between two different people and it’s always spot on and fun.

I agree with you about Chris Chaulk. I was a little hesitant about the character being black because I would think it would be hard to be a private investigator and black during that time period, but I like the cop origin story.

Something else I have a question about, I was looking at the courtroom audience last night and they had black people and white people sitting together. Is that in anyway historically accurate? Even for 1930s Hollywood?

by Anonymousreply 20707/27/2020

Did anyone notice that the foulmouthed clerk in the Denver office that Strickland visited was Stephanie Hodge, from "Nurses" and "Unhappily Ever After"? She was almost unrecognizable.

by Anonymousreply 20807/27/2020

I don't recall anyone ever claiming that Perry went to law school.

by Anonymousreply 20907/27/2020

The foulmouthed clerk was hilarious.

And no one ever said Perry Mason went to law school. they were very clear last week that Della Street forged Jonathan's signature (as she had many times in the past) on an application for Perry to have been considered to have passed an apprenticeship, and as someone said upthread, you legally can pass the bar in California without having gone to law school if a lawyer certifies you have apprenticed to him/her. Perry was then coached through the California that episode by a Yale Law School grad.

by Anonymousreply 21007/27/2020

^who helped him cheat. Remember he said they had not changed the questions for years?

It was his future foil, Hamilton Burger, btw.

by Anonymousreply 21107/27/2020

Thanks R203 I didn't know that.

by Anonymousreply 21207/27/2020

getting bored with della, she seems......thick.

yea no gay sex, as promised, big bummer, im outta there, jus too zzzzzz

by Anonymousreply 21307/28/2020

Gay sex was promised? By who? If you're a sad horndog just watch porn.

by Anonymousreply 21407/28/2020

in several dozen blogs u skunt

by Anonymousreply 21507/28/2020

There WAS gay sex between Della and Hazel.

by Anonymousreply 21607/28/2020

I thought Hazel was saving her all gay sex for Mrs. B!

by Anonymousreply 21707/28/2020

Blogs, ugh.

by Anonymousreply 21807/28/2020

attny general william barr said it would have homo sex !

by Anonymousreply 21907/29/2020

You forgot my lemon slice.

by Anonymousreply 22007/29/2020

they culd at least show his arse, unless its flat and fug

very bored with the plot and his constant grumpiness

by Anonymousreply 22107/30/2020

They went astray focusing so much on the evangilist lady......boring and senseless.

im out.

by Anonymousreply 22207/31/2020

Yea, tired of seein that old blonde biddy caterwallin around....

by Anonymousreply 22307/31/2020

I like Sister Alice.

by Anonymousreply 22407/31/2020

Compare and contrast: Sister Alice (Perry Mason) and Sister Molly (City of Angels/Penny Dreadful).

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by Anonymousreply 22507/31/2020

They are both based on real-life Sister Aimee

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Yes, that's why her picture is in between them at R225.

by Anonymousreply 22707/31/2020

But ya didn’t mention her, r227, did ya?

by Anonymousreply 22807/31/2020

bored with sister molly, git her off the show subplots plz

by Anonymousreply 22908/01/2020

Pity it wasnt a hot male evangelist that seduced our Perry....might liven this corpse of a show up a bit.

by Anonymousreply 23008/01/2020

R221, 222, 223, 229, 230, etc. seems to think if he repeats himself enough Sister Alice will vanish in a puff of smoke.

by Anonymousreply 23108/01/2020

And also seems to be missing that Sister Alice and company are integral to whatever the reason is for why the baby was kidnapped, etc., in the first place. In fact, it was probably all just so she could have a "resurrection" moment for her ministry. She's probably the one behind the whole thing.

by Anonymousreply 23208/01/2020

#221 go fuk ur moms cock

by Anonymousreply 23308/01/2020

I think it's a welcome addition to the covid-sheltered viewing option. I waited until yesterday in order to binge watch; that worked for me.

I think the music is truly beautiful - but does seem like a retro-cool jazz version of what the 40s noir world was, although the time period is 1932 Totally inaccurate, but sets just the right mood. Remember Alan Rudolph's Choose Me? The visuals and music feel like that.

by Anonymousreply 23408/01/2020

R232 I like your idea - I hope the writers of the show have as good an imagination as you do.

by Anonymousreply 23508/01/2020

R232, I agree that the church has to be a key part of the story, but we’ve seen POV shots of Sister Alice that have shown us that she’s an unstable wild card. She seems to be too impulsive to be in charge of an elaborate web of deceit plot.

by Anonymousreply 23608/01/2020

It's that mother. There is something fishy about her.

by Anonymousreply 23708/01/2020

the fish we smell is not on perrys cock, cause his asshole smells of boywhore cumwads.

by Anonymousreply 23808/01/2020

Vile ⬆️🙄

by Anonymousreply 23908/02/2020

An odd episode--better than last week, but still odd. They made it very clear in the beginning flashback that Lili Taylor in effect sold her daughter Alice to that man who came to drive them into town, but did nothing further with it--I'm sure it will be cleared up in the next episode, but it seemed odd to raise it and then not follow through with it.

They are still giving too many opportunities for Matthew Rhys to ham it up with the self-anguish.

I do like the actresses who play Sister Alice and Della Street still, and also Chris Chalk. Fine actors, the three of them.

by Anonymousreply 24008/02/2020

Yes, R240, Rhys with the yelling and the drunken self-pity is getting on my nerves. I wish Chris Chalk had been the main character: his character comes across as tough, analytical, and driven. He'd sort this mess out in a few hours.

by Anonymousreply 24108/02/2020

Hamilton Burger is GAY! William Talman must be spinning in his grave tonight!

by Anonymousreply 24208/02/2020

Oh—Didn’t you pick up on that from the lemon slice? Plus, Yale Law School.

by Anonymousreply 24308/02/2020

Well, it was merely suggested back then. I thought maybe he was dating Della (and that she was bi) and that's why he was doing favors for her. I don't think they've ever explained how they knew each other.

by Anonymousreply 24408/02/2020

[quote] I wish Chris Chalk had been the main character: his character comes across as tough, analytical, and driven. He'd sort this mess out in a few hours.

It wouldn't be the Perry Mason show then. But I agree, a period series with him as the lead detective would be fascinating, and probably better than the show we're watching. He's not traditionally handsome, but there's something intensely watchable about his face, and he has an electric screen presence as well as genuine acting talent.

by Anonymousreply 24508/02/2020

Alice was tired of being pimped out by her mother. She knew she couldn't resurrect Charlie, she was trying to bring down the church. Mommy Dearest knew about her plans so she arranged for a baby to magically appear.

by Anonymousreply 24608/02/2020

Shit, still more of this evangelist lady in 2nites episode. enough!

she a colossal bore.

by Anonymousreply 24708/02/2020

Cant even watch it any more, i just tape it and fast forward till sumthing semi interesting pops up.


by Anonymousreply 24808/02/2020

Poor Perry......such a loser....

by Anonymousreply 24908/02/2020

Matthew Rhys belongs in the "Failed Leading Men" thread.

by Anonymousreply 25008/02/2020

What the duck were you idiots watching? Tonight’s episode was terrific, and tied together so many loose ends leading into next week’s finale.

And Matthew Rhys has been great.

by Anonymousreply 25108/02/2020

Am trying to like it, nice clothes, sets n stuff... but who we sposed to care about? perry and his drunk screamiing fits? the bleach blonde ho preacher lady and her bozo wild run down the street lookin for meth? the mug faced mommy of dead baby who belongs on an old maid card?

della, yea, lets root for della....and her mightty fine wig.

robt downey and wife produced it tim van patten directs who to blame for this mess...

by Anonymousreply 25208/02/2020

Rhys is so good, surprised he ok'd this script...Here is hoping next season is better, if there is one.

by Anonymousreply 25308/03/2020

Ratings are bad, may not even be back.

by Anonymousreply 25408/03/2020

It was renewed several weeks ago.

by Anonymousreply 25508/03/2020

When I see "nudity" in the opening credits, I always get a little excited......then.......Chinese tits.....oh well.

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by Anonymousreply 25708/03/2020

Ok, having not watched the whole episode yet, was that really baby Charlie?

I'm guessing Sister Alice's mother was in on the whole thing with the church elder. But it's hard to believe the parents didn't recognize their own child. And did Sister Alice run into traffic and get hit by a car? I thought I heard tires screech just as the screen went dark.

by Anonymousreply 25808/03/2020

Glad it was renewed

by Anonymousreply 25908/03/2020

That wasn't Charlie. Birdie arranged for the press to be there when that baby magically appeared. She probably got him from the orphanage that's ran by the church. Birdie wasn't going to let Sister Alice bring the church down with her resurrection scam.

by Anonymousreply 26008/03/2020

I just happened to be reading the July 6, 2020, People magazine "Picks" article that had this lovely sentence about the series:

"Rhys gets a huge assist from Juliet Rylance as Della Reese, Mason's assistant."

Edited by Tom Gliatto - if anyone knows, him straighten him out.

by Anonymousreply 26108/03/2020

I didn't know Della Reese was a skinny white secretary in the 30s!

by Anonymousreply 26208/03/2020

R260 which one is birdie?

by Anonymousreply 26308/03/2020

[quote] And did Sister Alice run into traffic and get hit by a car? I thought I heard tires screech just as the screen went dark.

You did hear that. They left it as a cliffhanger, but I think they should have made the tire screech louder--one of my friends today hadn't heard it well either.

Whether she actually got hit and killed is something we'll find out next week. They did not show her in the previews for next week, which could mean anything.

by Anonymousreply 26408/03/2020

Birdie is Sister Alice's mother.

by Anonymousreply 26508/03/2020

[quote] Ok, having not watched the whole episode yet, was that really baby Charlie?

No. Baby Charlie is still dead. There was a little private colloquy between Sister Alice and her mother (in the middle of the street surrounded by other people! Somehow no one else seemed to hear it) that made it clear her mother had spirited Charlie's corpse out of the coffin and was now claiming this live baby (that she got who knows where) was Charlie resurrected because she thought that was the only possible way forward.

by Anonymousreply 26608/03/2020

git rid of sister alice, sick of her old fuk face...

by Anonymousreply 26708/03/2020

R83, R87---I think the wigs are THE WORST! I am someone who does not notice wigs unless they are especially terrible, and these are bad all the way across. Lili Taylor's, the accused woman, the evangelist---all awful. They really cut corners on the hair hats!

Lupe seems to have her own hair. She is a bad ass, I love her character's no fucks given, fuck and fly personality. I'd watch a show about her adventures with or without Perry Mason.

I *LIKE* Matthew Rhys' face. He's not pretty, I like dissipated eye bags and other careworn signs. I enjoy Shea Whiggam (sp?) in just about everything.

The murdered people and the baby are damned gruesome. The story made Perry a lawyer pretty effortlessly, he picked up rhetorical skills on the job. OK!

Would watch a second season.

by Anonymousreply 26808/08/2020

r262 A skinny, white LESBIAN secretary.

by Anonymousreply 26908/08/2020

One more episode - one more chance for cock sucking.

by Anonymousreply 27008/08/2020

Which baby is the real baby?

by Anonymousreply 27108/08/2020

[quote]One more episode - one more chance for cock sucking.

With our luck, it will probably be attached to the butch Latina Aviatrix.

by Anonymousreply 27208/08/2020

"You fucked me and then you FUCKED me."

by Anonymousreply 27308/08/2020

precious time frittered away on the evangilist bitch,

not gay enuf , im out

by Anonymousreply 27408/09/2020

The cemetery scene was just was over the top bonkers. Nevertheless, the ending was rather good.

by Anonymousreply 27508/09/2020

Does anyone have a flow-chart of the plot?

by Anonymousreply 27608/09/2020

I don't know what you mean by a flow-chart, r276, but NYT, tvline, Atlantic and New York run regular recaps and other features.

by Anonymousreply 27708/09/2020

I mean I’m finding the conspiracy difficult to keep up with.

by Anonymousreply 27808/09/2020

It seems unlikely Perry Mason would be unaware that his property was being auctioned off and that knowing, he would not have a plan to keep it. He’s a clever fellow, you know.

by Anonymousreply 27908/09/2020

R279 I agree, that was bullshit.

I like the actor, but I just don't care what happens to the Perry Mason character.

I've started to root against him.

by Anonymousreply 28008/09/2020

R278, it seems less like an overarching conspiracy than a series of blotched crimes, one leading to another, without much planning.

by Anonymousreply 28108/09/2020

Great finale tonight. Everything got wrapped up and they set us up for season 2. There were a few things that I side-eyed, but nothing that took away from the show. Love that remake of the original theme.

by Anonymousreply 28208/09/2020

R282 Not a great finale - I waited all series long for Ennis on the stand, then it's a fantasy fake out.


doesn't deserve a second season

by Anonymousreply 28308/09/2020

I didn't think I was going to like this series - I found episodes 1 & 2 kind of slow going - I think I was trying to hard to keep track of all the characters instead of just going with the flow of the story.

During episode 3 something clicked and I got totally caught up in this show - it feels like the best thing I've seen in years..

I like the Depression era setting and costumes. I like the feeling that Perry and Della are up against powerful unknown forces involved in a plot to convict an innocent woman for the kidnapping and murder of her baby. As Perry and Della created their new alliance, it also started to make more sense as the back story to the 1957-1965 CBS series, albeit with a more empowered Della Street.

I love Lili Taylor as Birdy, the mother of Sister Alice - although I was racking my brain trying to remember what I'd seen her in - and finally realized (with help from IMDB) she played Lisa, Nate's wife, in Six Feet Under.

Interesting how these Welsh actors capture the whole 1930's American accents so well...

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by Anonymousreply 28408/09/2020

[quote]I think I was trying to hard to keep track of all the characters instead of just going with the flow of the story.

*trying TOO hard

by Anonymousreply 28508/09/2020

good final episoode 2nite...loved tht familiar perry mason theme music at the end

by Anonymousreply 28608/09/2020

Who killed the baby?

Explain the damn plot to me. More loose ends than Marlo Thomas" puss.

As with the Americans, plots never clear !

by Anonymousreply 28708/09/2020

The killing was unintended. The kidnappers found a wet nurse for the baby (the asian prostitute at the whorehouse), but she was on heroin and her milk poisoned the baby. So they found a way to complete the ransom by stitching Charlie's eyes open so that he looked alive when the parents saw him on the Angel Flight. And then everyone connected with the botched kidnapping had to be killed.

What's not clear is Birdy's role in the kidnapping. To say nothing of where she got the "miracle" baby.

by Anonymousreply 28808/10/2020

Two touches I particularly enjoyed:

Hamilton Berger saying nobody ever confesses on the witness stand.

The theme music from the old Perry Mason show incorporated into the credit sequence.

by Anonymousreply 28908/10/2020

I want to see a Hamilton Burger - Paul Drake sex tape.

by Anonymousreply 29008/10/2020

Yeah, the whole thing was a plot to get the church out of debt. Birdie was in it up to her ears. What was unclear to me is how involved was Sister Alice. The flashback scene to Birdie pimping out Alice to that guy, was probably an indication that Alice was probably "unwillingly" involved, but we will probably never know. The saddest part of the finale was how Emily ended up, completely broken and now used.

One thing I didn't get was the final scene. What did Perry take out of the matchbox and blow away?

by Anonymousreply 29108/10/2020

A thread he took from Baby Charlie's eye.

by Anonymousreply 29208/10/2020

The only thing I didn't like from last night was the nod to wokeness that Della "Reese" will not be Perry's secretary, but she will be his partner......

by Anonymousreply 29308/10/2020

What was in the note that Mason's sex partner found in the bottle in his empty house? I couldn't read it.

by Anonymousreply 29408/10/2020

I wasn’t thrilled with that ending and if it weren’t for Datalounges I wouldn’t be able to have figured it out. I’ll stick with Raymond Burr.

by Anonymousreply 29508/10/2020

R294 “The price was fair. Look after the cows."

by Anonymousreply 29608/10/2020

R295 read this article on TV Line. It sort explains how they approached this series. They didn't want to/couldn't do a retread of the Burr series.

I agree about Della being a partner thing. Also, I love Chris Chaulk, but I do wonder how realistic a black PI would have been in the 1930s.

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by Anonymousreply 29708/10/2020

R293 I thought the Della character's language about her "associate" status was, perhaps, anachronistic. (I won't use it as an opportunity to criticize current, or "woke' values). But it was consistent with her character - one of the more interesting writing choices, I thought. When Perry tells her he already knew about her woman lover... she didn't flinch nor shrink away in shame. "I thought you knew, but I didn't think you'd throw it in my face like that." She stood her ground, then went on to talk business. Then later when Perry said he likes the girlfriend (a kind of apology for using her to vent against Della earlier), again, Della's having none of it. "Yes, she's a pip. And it's none of your business." I think strong lesbians in the 30s lived like that... not shrinking away in weakness or shame, but also not letting others in... none of their business.

by Anonymousreply 29808/10/2020

The show was too damn 'woke'.....the della thing, and other stuff, ya know...

by Anonymousreply 29908/10/2020

Interesting to see DL with problems about "woke" revisionism. For the first 3/4 of the 20th century any hint of same-sex connections or relationships was very covert, or as some source of evil and shame, or as comic relief. Gay lives just didn't see the screen in any real or interesting ways. Now, making films about the past, I guess folks prefer the story and character to be stuck in that "mainstream" lifeworld... not updated with what's able to be seen and said now.

An example is Maurice (the Foster story) which presented an Edwardian England that had presented explicit gay affection... not just a whiff of shame in some quirky, abnormal, shameful plot detail.

by Anonymousreply 30008/10/2020

Wouldnt have killed the show to be a tad like the original series with mr burr, oh no,, gotta have this n that, to be g dam woke.

when this shits gonna simmer down????

talk of della made a partner in first episodde, git real

my throat gags with pc warriors.

by Anonymousreply 30108/10/2020

r301 [quote]my throat gags with pc warriors

I bet it does, I bet it does.

by Anonymousreply 30208/10/2020

thanks, r296

by Anonymousreply 30308/10/2020

In theory, I have no issue with the ‘wokeness’ of current TV series. I do have an issue when it takes me out of the story. And to be quite honest, even though I enjoyed Perry Mason, sometimes I was taken out of the story by certain scenes and actions because I have to stop and think would this be possible in 1930s Los Angeles?

by Anonymousreply 30408/10/2020

Yes. The wokeness was gagging. When she announced she was an associate I thought that to be over the top.

by Anonymousreply 30508/10/2020

The thing I find anachronistic about a lot of these cable shows set in periods before the late '60s is the obscene language. Four-letter words and other "bad language" were not used by middle and upper-class people in mixed company or professional settings in those days. It's really jarring to me.

by Anonymousreply 30608/10/2020

Della’s cheerful announcement that she was going to become an attorney was off-putting. Lady, it’s 1931 and there are no laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sex. Good luck getting into law school, or staying in the face of harassment from your male classmates and teachers.

I was disappointed with the ending of the trial. The prosecutor stopped arguing that there was anything connecting Charlie’s mother with his murder. The whole thing was over; Perry should have made a motion to have the charges dropped. Obviously he's not yet a hot-shot attorney.

by Anonymousreply 30708/10/2020

the DA said he was going to refile but Emily was able to just leave? It was mentioned that she was a free woman

by Anonymousreply 30808/10/2020

It wasn't bad. Could really slow at times. Surprised it came from the Downeys. Considering their car wreck Doctor Dolittle. RDJ was originally supposed to play Mason.

by Anonymousreply 30908/10/2020

I guess r300 thinks gays didn't exist in the past. Maurice was based on a book written by a gay man who was writing about his experiences as a gay man in the early 20th century. I guess that's "woke" to you

It's not true that middle class people never swore around others

It's also not true that female lawyers didn't exist in the 30s.

by Anonymousreply 31008/10/2020

[quote]It's not true that middle class people never swore around others

I never said that ... I said they didn't use that kind of language in mixed company or in a professional setting. Even "damn" and "hell" were problematic back then, much less "fuck" and "shit," both of which were used liberally in PM.

by Anonymousreply 31108/10/2020

R311, people do things that are problematic all the time. People did problematic things back then, too.

by Anonymousreply 31208/10/2020

I enjoyed it. I liked the soundtrack, I think I recognized a few songs from Pennies From Heaven.

I wonder if Della and her girlfriend gossip about Garbo and Dietrich the way we do, 88 years later.

by Anonymousreply 31308/10/2020

[quote]I was disappointed with the ending of the trial. The prosecutor stopped arguing that there was anything connecting Charlie’s mother with his murder.

Because as Perry mentioned, the had no real evidence against her. He was attacking the woman's character because he could not connect her to the crime.

by Anonymousreply 31408/10/2020

R310 Sorry I wasn't clear or was misunderstood.

That's the whole point that 1) yes there were gay humans before 1970s and 2) no they were not portrayed in media other than a) comic relief b) completely covertly or c) an example of something abnormal/evil.

Maurice was written by Foster while he was alive (funny how that works) and was not published until much later... and not made into a movie faithful to the story until later still.

Again the point: gay people in previous eras were not portrayed realistically or explicitly by media of the 20th century (film) until.. the 70s? So current productions that portray gay humans (including strong-willed lesbians) of 1932 might, by definition, well seem "inappropriately woke" (and can we retire the term woke? like "social justice warrior" and "political correctness" it excuses bullshit... no, it's not ok to use the "n" word unless you are black... I don't care if that's "PC" or not).

This point doesn't excuse what may be anachronistic in terms of culture, language, or style.

by Anonymousreply 31508/10/2020

Did anyone understand the last line by the evangelist woman?

by Anonymousreply 31608/10/2020

[quote] It's not true that middle class people never swore around others

They did, but their swear words were different. "Hell" and "damn"(and "goddamn") were considered swear words back then, and were used by middle class people. "Shit" and, especially, "fuck" were not in wide circulation then--they were used in the armed forces, and by lower class men; but genteel middle class people would mostly avoid them, until after WW2.

Perry Mason would NEVER have been allowed to say :"fuck" in a judge's chambers--hen would have been thrown out the first time he said it and held in contempt of court.

[quote] It's also not true that female lawyers didn't exist in the 30s.

That's true, but they were not common, and it was often difficult for a woman to take a law degree. Not many law schools were open to women.

by Anonymousreply 31708/10/2020

8 fucking episodes and it's a mistrial? fuck that

And I'm suppose to root for bribing a juror? How is that any different than the corruption of Trump and his cunt enablers.

fuck this show

by Anonymousreply 31808/10/2020


I was wondering where they got that money if Perry is so poor

by Anonymousreply 31908/10/2020

oh and the Sister Alice ending was a cop out.

She runs away and that was so exciting (not)

by Anonymousreply 32008/10/2020

r317 Thank you for chiming in. I decided to give up arguing with r310/r312

by Anonymousreply 32108/10/2020

r319 I assumed they got it from selling the house to the aviatrix.

by Anonymousreply 32208/10/2020

Someone please tell me who the guy was that had the thugs kill Ennis.

And why did they kill him after the trial and not before, I mean if Ennis wasn't untouchable which they made it seem like he was throughout the season.

I was nodding on and off and trying to care.

thanks in advance

by Anonymousreply 32308/10/2020

R323 He was a police officer (Chief?) who was aware of the corruption, but didn't want to be aware of the details, and wanted to avoid any possibility that Ennis might turn, or even accidently give up information about the scam. He's the "superior" in the scheme who told Ennis to "end" the others who were still alive and knew about the plot. So Ennis killed the church accountant who was taking his share and leaving...

by Anonymousreply 32408/10/2020

r323/r324 He was Ennis's partner - Holcomb.

by Anonymousreply 32508/10/2020

That’s an awful lot of murder over $100,000.

by Anonymousreply 32608/10/2020

I want to perform skin care o. the face of Paul Drake. So many bumps.

by Anonymousreply 32708/11/2020

^^^"on" the face ^^^

by Anonymousreply 32808/11/2020

i get the feeling there were too many cooks in the kitchen, as the plot was all over the place and ending left loop holes the size of della's ambition, by the by, i dint think that actress was a good fit for della. she be smarmy way she played it. next seasn she will be playin perry.

maybe they will clear up more next season, hope not, hope we wake up to find this series never happened, and that perry mason is bout to begin 8 episodes ago with a clear insightful often fun plot story.

shocked that good actor who played perry didnt have the writers get it together....

all in all, cept for the costumes and cars, too much smoke got in way of the show....give it a 50% on rot taters.

by Anonymousreply 32908/11/2020

They threw ev thing but the kitchen sink into this show to make it gritty, grotty, grueling to watch...

for love of god fire all the directors of this season and onward into the next, Della's and Fanning's Detective Whore Agency.

by Anonymousreply 33008/11/2020

I liked the Burr version of the show and I liked this version. The Burr version was very much of it's time and cleaned up some of Perry's rougher edges from the books and the radio series. I use this series to fill in some of the blanks in the Burr series. If you watch the early episodes of season 1 of the Burr version it is a little darker and you got the impression that Perry was shady and fucking his clients and Della, but someone clearly stepped in cleaned it up by episode 4 or 5.

In this version, they borrowed heavily from the books and were able to play the grittier and slimier aspects of Mason. This origin story definitely had some holes and lacked some clarity, but for me that wasn't a deal breaker. Even going back to the Burr series, even though they wrapped each case up in a neat bow little every week, you knew that there was tons of story that we didn't get to see after the witness box confession and the Paul/Della/Perry wrap up tag.

My biggest problem with this show is something that I'm just gonna have to get over. Because I think that going forward period pieces are going to reflect modern sensibilities and not necessarily the ugly and complicated truth of the actual history.

by Anonymousreply 33108/11/2020

R326 $100k in 1932 would be $1,881,000 in today's dollars.

by Anonymousreply 33208/11/2020

And $1.8 million ain’t worth 7 murders.

by Anonymousreply 33308/11/2020

I liked the show, despite the underwhelming finale (mistrial, weird attraction Sister had for Perry, wokeness the characters had going forward). Most disappointing for me was fact that Perry bribes a juror to be a holdout. I am only familiar with Burr’s PMn so if this is a sleazy grittiness that comes from the novels, well, color me surprised.

And yes, I too believe fewer and fewer period pieces will be allowed to accurately depict those times. Watching how the police chief and other officers treated Paul Drake made me feel uncomfortable: the implied racism and ever-present threat of violence against him and his wife. But it is accurate, and I think was important to include here.

by Anonymousreply 33408/11/2020

The bribed juror came out of nowhere and what did the land deal have to do with anything?

by Anonymousreply 33508/11/2020

r334 And seeing the black characters more fully fleshed out, with a community and homes and aspirations in the face of oppressive racism... I guess is too "woke" for some people... who'd like them to stay in their place.

Again, I agree that the language Della used in her assertion to break into new status in employment was anachronistic and seemed off key. But I am old enough that I remember my aunt and her lesbian cohort in the 50s and 60s, who had been young women in the 30s... and there was a strength, energy, assertion, and privacy among them that the Della character totally seemed to reflect.

by Anonymousreply 33608/11/2020

I loved it when he finally told his ugly Latina girlfriend to fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 33708/11/2020

R336 you can’t point out one part of my post where I indicated anything of the sort re: the black community, so I won’t ask you to. I will also not apologize to you because you misunderstood my meaning since it’s clear you’re drunk.

I hadn’t recalled the scene on the beach or in the end where viewers could see the strong community Drake and his wife had around them. I was merely speaking to every scene Drake was in with not just Ennis and Holcomb who were clearly villains, but even the Chief, or that disgusting woman at that disgusting motel. Those scenes were acted well, IMO, because I felt the racism, uneven power, and implied violence that one black man must have felt back in that day. And feeling that made me uncomfortable, because I’m watching it in a time when that _OVERT_ behaviour is repugnant... though racism still does exist.

by Anonymousreply 33808/11/2020

R338 Not sure who is the inebriated; I was actually agreeing with you, and reinforcing your point as a response to others on the thread who seemed to challenge this "revisionist" history that simply to more accurately capture the grounded reality of the time.

by Anonymousreply 33908/11/2020

"Because I think that going forward period pieces are going to reflect modern sensibilities and not necessarily the ugly and complicated truth of the actual history."

There was plenty in the show that was ugly and's hardly Walt Disney fare. I guess the Republicans here want to bitch about people for being "woke" though

by Anonymousreply 34008/11/2020

I think some of you are twisting the concerns of those of us who question the "wokeness" of the series. I think it's amazing and worthy of applause that we saw the black characters, black lives fleshed out. I loved the Paul Drake character and I love the black lady he was talking to in the bar and his wife.

I just question their placement in the "white world". And this is so minor, but I question mixed seating in the courtroom and at that church. I didn't have an issue with Paul being a cop, because they assigned him to the "black" beat... but as the chief PI for an attorney with an overwhelming white clientele how does he blend into that world ? And I realize that California 1932 is not Mississippi 1932, and a lot of California's racial laws were aimed at Asians, but this is the same town that a few years later wouldn't let Hattie McDaniel sit with her GWTW costars at the Oscars.

And yes, I understand that it's minor... I just find it odd. And personally, as a black person, I think it let's white people and their segregation/Jim Crow nonsense off the hook.

by Anonymousreply 34108/11/2020

R335, the church was buying the land because they'd heard the Olympics were going to held near there. The church was planning to build the city of Girard and grow the church. When that fell through, the land was worth nothing. They were in debt; the kidnapping was devised so that Dodson's father would pay the $100k. I think Ennis was supposed to turn the money over to the church.

Holcomb had Ennis killed because he was a loose cannon. When Holcomb went to see Ennis at his house, Holcomb mentioned something about not being told about the kidnappers being murdered and the Chinese hooker.

I think the juror was bribed because George (Emily's co-adulterer) was involve in the kidnapping. He's the one who fell from the building. Knowing that George was there with the kidnappers, it must have been hard for Perry to determine if Emily was involved or not.

by Anonymousreply 34208/11/2020

And it turns out they didn't even need to bribe the juror, but Pete didn't tell Perry that.

by Anonymousreply 34308/11/2020

I forgot the Chinese hooker—8 murders.

by Anonymousreply 34408/11/2020

It won't matter once Della Reese records her first record and becomes a star - she'll leave the legal profession far behind and take her hot mama on the road for a big tour.

She'll be the 1930's version of Madonna......

by Anonymousreply 34508/11/2020

R344, Would you list the 8 murders? I'm stuck on 6. Thanks

by Anonymousreply 34608/11/2020

The baby Three kidnappers Elder Seidel The hooker Ennis The 8th one

by Anonymousreply 34708/11/2020

The baby was a murder? It was an accidental death, the heroin in the wet-nurse prostitute's milk killed the kid. Unintended.

by Anonymousreply 34808/11/2020

An unintended death in the commission of a major felony like kidnapping is murder.

by Anonymousreply 34908/11/2020

R349 Oh, details, details.

by Anonymousreply 35008/11/2020

I've watched the first three episodes after reading this thread, spoilers noted but whatevs, and am disappointed by the show. It very much has a TV Show Aimed at Males 35+ feel to it with all the gratuitous violence, that rough sex scene, and the broody main character with his misunderstood military history (he's really kind of a hero, but will never tell anyone cuz they'd never believe him!).

The female preacher scenes are straight outta Day of the Locusts and I can't help comparing this show to that movie since they both take place in LA in the 30s.

But I do like the costumes and scenery, and this Drake character so will stick with it.

by Anonymousreply 35108/12/2020

I really dislike Della Street. She has no warmth or realism. She’s just a mannered actress checking character boxes. Female, not timid, not a secretary, lesbian, ambitious, equal to Perry, cool, calm, collected, etc. A better actress could have made her interesting.

by Anonymousreply 35208/12/2020

[quote] The female preacher scenes are straight outta Day of the Locusts and I can't help comparing this show to that movie since they both take place in LA in the 30s.

You do realize that both are based on a incredibly famous historical female preacher in Los Angeles, Sister Aimee Semple McPherson, who was the most famous evangelical preacher of her day (the 1920s and early 30s).

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I loved this show. I love Film Noire and I loved the character and actress who was based on Sister Aimee. I thought it was BEAUTIFULLY shot. I'm not a huge Rhys fan but thought he was really good. I've also loved Juliette (Della) since that craptacular miniseries 'American Gothic' a few summers back.

by Anonymousreply 35408/12/2020

R353 The evangelist's character and church (the white men in droves standing around her discussing how to keep the cash flow primed...) was both chancy and evocative of the era. Chancy because of the crowds in the tabernacle and those spectacles - true to Angeles Temple's services (the building is still there in Echo Park) but also seeming like over-the-top revisionist TV. (All the up-thread critiques of anachronistic revisionism).

McPherson was a huge figure in the 30s .. her disappearance and scandal. More than evangelism , her church spread Pentecostalism - it became the Assemblies of God denomination. Anticipated TV Evangelism, Christo-fascist Trumpism, and feel-good showtime Christianity like Joel Osteen and all the Hillsong Beiber-Kanye nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 35508/13/2020

I finished watching the whole season of Broody Mason last night and remain disappointed.

I won't bother tuning in for season two.

by Anonymousreply 35608/14/2020

Rhys is such a fine actor. I was just watching him play two different men who look identical having a conversation with each other in The Scapegoat. His performance in PM was disappointing. Overly broad.

by Anonymousreply 35708/14/2020

Michael McMillan was so good on True Blood. It was disappointing to see he only had two very brief scenes as a fellow lodger at Della’s boarding house.

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by Anonymousreply 35808/22/2020

Clearly I"ll be in the minority here, but I thought Matthew Rhys completely missed the mark with this characterization. This needed a Jack Nicholson, someone who could actually be charming while doing dark things. Rhys was just hostile to everyone and completely unbearable. That was the biggest problem for me. All the anachronistic stuff makes me nuts too, but I've come to expect such sloppiness nowadays. Nothing will ever be made true to the period anymore because everyone is too afraid to do it. Anyway, they better fucking fix Mason's personality for Season Two. Because in Season One he was fucking insufferable.

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