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Falcon Crest Praise and Criticisms

This show was so good it deserves a new more recent thread. It wasn't necessarily better than Dallas or KL but was in a class all by itself. It was better than Dynasty. Just a few big picture criticisms. Lance never evolved into a worthy heir to Falcon Crest. He just remained a studly second class henchman type. The last few seasons really made him seem useless. PIllar was the worse character to happen to the show. Her storylines had potential but she was forced upon the show too powerfully. Emma never really evolved either. I liked the character but her behavior became routine and predictable.

by Anonymousreply 30011 hours ago

Some of the most unattractive actresses of all the prime time soaps. Except for Susan Sullivan and Ana Alicia.

by Anonymousreply 106/19/2020

Funny I had a dream about this show last night, the Lana Turner guest appearances. I guess if they couldn't get Angela to hire them for "Murder She Wrote", they could join Jane in the Tuscany Valley. Lana, Gina Lollobrigida and Kim Novak were the most successful, although I did enjoy Jane Greer too as Maggie's long lost mother with the gambling problem. A subtle wink at Jane's film noir credits. Eve Arden in her last acting appearance was very touching, especially since she was dealing with the loss of her beloved husband. None of the typical Eve wise-cracks, just a straight forward performance that showed that she could be good in dramatic parts and not the little bit of comedy relief when on the rare occasion movie producers cast her in a dramatic film.

by Anonymousreply 206/19/2020

R2 - I think Celeste Holm was also a guest star on Falcon Crest.

R1- I really like Nicollette Sheridan in Falcon Crest or was she in Knots Landing.?

by Anonymousreply 306/19/2020

She was in Knots Landing r3.

by Anonymousreply 406/19/2020

Celeste Holm played a crazy bitch with impeccable diction on FC. Her kids were played by Anne Archer and Jonathan Frakes.

by Anonymousreply 506/19/2020

I hated Ana Alicia.

Reagan's ex-wife looked like a witch or something.

Lorenzo was hot and that was it.

I did not last long with this show.

by Anonymousreply 606/19/2020

Falcon Crest was great campy fun, until the last season when it turned into something bizarre and unrecognizable (and neither suspenseful nor fun). I could never understand why they did that to the show. Also, the end-of-season cliffhangers in the penultimate season were never resolved...not a nice way to treat your audience. Finally, Cole....how dreamy was he? His jeans always fit just right.

by Anonymousreply 706/19/2020

Jane Wyman was a sexless actress. Always too prim and starchy onscreen. I loved ALL THAT HEAVEN ALLOWS with Rock Hudson, but for the life of me could not see the two of them in love.

by Anonymousreply 806/19/2020

Jane was hilarious as Angela - down to her Nancy Reagan red suits. Jane's put down of Apollonia -'Babylonia' was a riot.

Loved Terry, Maggie's hooker sister, they would unusually give her zingers over Angie.

by Anonymousreply 906/19/2020

Helen Lawson has a guest role in season but was abruptly written out halfway through what was supposed to be a twelve episode story arc.

Rumour has it she and Jane didn’t get along. Jane apparently overheard her saying, ‘Gee, I’m gonna need something stronger than wine to get through a scene with this broad’.

by Anonymousreply 1006/19/2020

I've been watching Season 4 on Amazon and that Nazi gold plot was a misstep. Boring and too long. Also, Kate Vernon was boring. But Seasons 5, 6 and 7 were great. I wish those were on Amazon.

by Anonymousreply 1106/19/2020

I loved Chao Li.

by Anonymousreply 1206/19/2020

Lorenzo was in a speedo a lot, right ?

by Anonymousreply 1306/19/2020

Ronald Reagan pretty much allowed "mother" Nancy to run his life except on Friday nights when he would disappear into a locked room with a TV and watch "Dallas" followed by "Falcon Crest". It was the only time he could have away from the White House china thief during his time at the White House. Ironically, Jane went on sabbatical from the show around the same time Ronnie left Washington.

by Anonymousreply 1406/19/2020

Things I remember about Falcon Crest (I watched it as a kid) ...

Melissa and Lorenzo Lamas were super hot. I think it was this show that made me realise that Italians were my type. Or, people trying to portray them (I just googled Melissa and she's Mexican-American). Although, the one Melissa married was hot too (Greg? he was blonde and I think Susan Sullivan's son?).

The series had Kim Novak, which was a huge get. And then they made all of the Vertigo references, which I loved. It was also set near San Francisco, which was a huge bonus (because I adored the city back in the 1980s).

I remember Lorraine being pregnant and miscarrying after she fell off the ladder (?) outside of a building.

I remember the plane crash. Now, THAT was a cliffhanger (although, it ended up that no one of any importance died).

I remember Anne Archer doing the show (pre-Fatal Attraction I think?).

One thing I never understood was the Richard Selby/Susan Sullivan/bomb cliffhanger. I didn't understand what the bomber did to the grandfather clock to make the house blow up. I had recorded it on videotape and watched it repeatedly. I mean, obviously, the bomb was planted in the clock. But, all I saw was the perp's gloved hand looking like it was stroking the pendulum and didn't get what it had to do with the bomb. Still don't lol. I remember the kiss between the characters of Richard and Susan though. That was Dramatic!

It was nice to see her years later in Dharma & Greg (also set in San Francisco!) and My Best Friend's Wedding.

by Anonymousreply 1506/19/2020

I loved Cha Lee, the butler! In fact I would call my friend, Charlie "Cha lee" for years

by Anonymousreply 1606/19/2020

There was a big guy who played someone's husband (near the end of the series) who was literally the worst actor on TV

by Anonymousreply 1706/19/2020

The show had some of the worst character exits that I can remember. Nick and Ben Agreti just dissapear at the end of one season with no explanation the next season. Morgan Fairchild and Simon Mccorkindale we are told just decided to keep driving to wherever they were going and wouldn't be back. Kim Novaks character just sort of dropped out of the picture drip by drip.

by Anonymousreply 1806/19/2020

Sorry, I really fucked up the names.

I wrote "Greg" but meant "Cole."

David Selby played "Richard" and Sullivan played "Maggie." Lamas played "Lance."

by Anonymousreply 1906/19/2020

I always thought Chase was a sexy daddy.

by Anonymousreply 2006/19/2020

Was Morgan Fairchild considered a "get" for the show? I know they loved getting all the old Hollywood stars, Cesar Romero included. I can see Joan Crawford having made an appearance if she had still be alive.

by Anonymousreply 2106/19/2020

Frankly, I always thought it was trash. The only reason I'd watch for a while if I was flipping channels was to see Angela's car...the Mercedes 600 Pullman. A pretty fender always turns my head.

by Anonymousreply 2206/19/2020

r18, Morgan and Simon didn't keep driving--they were killed by Jeff Wainwright when they stopped to investigate the prison vehicle overturned by the earthquake.

It was a waste getting rid of Simon, but I guess they decided Angie didn't need a full-time lawyer.

r15, Melissa's other husband was Cole Agretti (Billy Moses), Maggie and Chase's son. She did bang Simon's Greg Reardon character (come to think of it, didn't Melissa eventually hook up with every male at some point, save Chase?).

by Anonymousreply 2306/19/2020

Cole Gioberti, not Agretti.

by Anonymousreply 2406/19/2020

Thanks, r24. Eldermoment.

by Anonymousreply 2506/19/2020

I hated Jane Wyman's Eva Gabor Collections wigs. Why didn't she wear her own hair?

by Anonymousreply 2606/19/2020

[quote] I really like Nicollette Sheridan in Falcon Crest or was she in Knots Landing.?

She got an "introducing" credit for the TV soap Paper Dolls starring Morgan Fairchild.

[quote] Morgan and Simon didn't keep driving--they were killed by Jeff Wainwright when they stopped to investigate the prison vehicle overturned by the earthquake.

They were not killed. They were being held hostage. Their storyline was resolved with a single scene where Simon's character called Angela to quit his job and decided to leave with Morgan's character after they escaped Maggie's crazy stalker which all happened off camera.

[quote] Melissa's other husband was Cole Agretti (Billy Moses), Maggie and Chase's son. She did bang Simon's Greg Reardon character (come to think of it, didn't Melissa eventually hook up with every male at some point, save Chase?).

For a brief time Greg also fucked Pamela Lynch (Sarah Douglas), Richard's assistant. Later that season it resulted in the great line of hers: Compared to you I lie a lot.

Link leads to the, at least for me, iconic opening credits for Paper Dolls. God, I loved that show as a little gayling. I was gutted when I found out it got canceled.

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by Anonymousreply 2706/19/2020

Season Two closing one of the best cliffhangers of all time. Julia Cumson (Abby Dalton) may have had her issues, but nobody expected the basically sweet woman controlled by her mother to be a psychopathic killer. Lana Turner, so Norma Desmond like in her turban, conveniently enters, setting up Jane Wyman for the boardroom "thumbs down" as to whether or not Jacqueline will return and revealing in the first episode of season three who is in that coffin.

by Anonymousreply 2806/19/2020

PAPER DOLLS had too many straight people in it to be believable.

Like THE BOLD AND THE BEAUTIFUL.

To many gays in the fashion industry for these shows to ignore them. Not even a token bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 2906/19/2020

The funny thing was that they kind of redeemed Julia's character by saying "well, Jaqueline was deadly ill, so she would've died shortly anyway!".

Loved that scene where Emma meets her presumed dead sister at night behind some grape vines. Off topic: Margaret Ladd has brief cameo in a recent episode of At Home With Amy Sedaris, The Travel episode.

by Anonymousreply 3006/19/2020

[quote] PAPER DOLLS had too many straight people in it to be believable.

Well, duh. It's from the 80s. Gays were still a taboo back then.

by Anonymousreply 3106/19/2020

Jane Wyman killed a plot where Jane Badler's character was supposed to be a lesbian with her lesbian lover showing up later to take revenge.

by Anonymousreply 3206/19/2020

Of course she did because she was the first Mrs. Reagan.

by Anonymousreply 3306/19/2020

Revenge is always a dish best served up lez.

by Anonymousreply 3406/19/2020

I went to the real Falcon Crest winery in 2018. Wine tasting while sitting at a table in the house! Then a tour of the premises. So awesome. I also went to the Dynasty house the same week. '80s forever!

by Anonymousreply 3506/19/2020

R27 - Theresa "Terry" Farrell was also in Paper Dolls. Terry also played Jadzia Dax in the television series Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.

by Anonymousreply 3606/19/2020

[quote] I remember the plane crash. Now, THAT was a cliffhanger (although, it ended up that no one of any importance died).

I think of all the weekly soaps FC ended up with the largest death toll. There is hardly a season cliff hanger where no-one died. Both Gioberti parents, Melissa, Terry, all three (!) of Emma's husbands/fiancés.

From what I read, Terry was not supposed to die in the earthquake. She was supposed to survive but leave Richard after six episodes into the new season. They couldn't get a contract for these six episodes, so Terry just got purged. I think Maggie mourned in one scene and then moved on.

by Anonymousreply 3706/19/2020

[quote] I remember the plane crash. Now, THAT was a cliffhanger (although, it ended up that no one of any importance died).

IMO Michael Ranson (Cliff Robertson), Terri's husband, and Phillip (Mel Ferrer) were a pretty big deal on the show. Terri inherted his "fuck all" money and that scene of her with a sly smile on her lips while driving after the reading of the will was quite something.

by Anonymousreply 3806/19/2020

Wow, r23, I don't remember it that way at all--I thought the sheriff notified Angela that they found them dead, and everyone in earshot expressed horror, and then they were forgotten about. Your way would be far better (they'd still have been available to come back).

Even worse, I can't find a damned thing about this online! Damn, Warner, for not releasing all seasons!

by Anonymousreply 3906/19/2020

Billy Moses was way more attractive than Lorenzo Lamas.

by Anonymousreply 4006/19/2020

Lorenzo Lamas was super attractive in the first couple of seasons, but that's when his character was also the least interesting.

by Anonymousreply 4106/19/2020

Lorenzo was never a decent actor and was only eye candy

by Anonymousreply 4206/19/2020

The earthquake scene is on YouTube and it’s hysterical. These people have presumably all lived in California for their entire lives and yet none of them appear to have any idea of what to do during an earthquake. Several of them seem to have no idea what’s even happening.

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by Anonymousreply 4306/19/2020

All I remember of Anne Archer were her lines in the final scene of a season finale-she said something to Angela like “I’ll make you suffer. Like you made us suffer.”

by Anonymousreply 4406/19/2020

Thank you R43!

My favourite bits:

-"You should have consulted me first before hiring that sexy nanny."

-Emma: "We're all going to die!" LOL!

by Anonymousreply 4506/19/2020

[quote] Melissa and Lorenzo Lamas were super hot. I think it was this show that made me realise that Italians were my type. Or, people trying to portray them (I just googled Melissa and she's Mexican-American).

So is Lorenzo Lamas. Apparently you have a thing for Mexican-Americans pretending to be Italian-Americans.

by Anonymousreply 4606/19/2020

Was Maggie’s death the most gruesome thing on Prime Time television? I remember being absolutely horrified. If I recall correctly, they showed her struggling at the bottom of the pool the entire time until she just stopped moving. I couldn’t believe it.

by Anonymousreply 4706/19/2020

Loved all but the last two seasons when new creative teams took over. Season 8 was all about the boring Mexican immigrant family and Season 9 took a totally different, dark direction. If you were a fan of the show, you might like this video that takes us inside the actual house in St. Helena, CA.

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by Anonymousreply 4806/19/2020

r47 It was abominable.

by Anonymousreply 4906/19/2020

As big a fan as I was I can't remember all the different people who owned Falcon Crest or parts of it are various points. Billy Moses was in a Hallmark movie recently and looked pretty good. I loved when they brought back Melissa as her doppelganger. To be first season you can really tell how strung out on cocaine Lorenzo was and he admits it.

by Anonymousreply 5006/19/2020

I wanted Chase Gioberti and Richard Channing to double penetrate me.

by Anonymousreply 5106/19/2020

R47 Yeah, that was really obnoxious killing off a beloved character by having her giant diamond ring get stuck in the pool drain and she drowns in a gruesome way. It set the tone for that bizarre final season with pretty much all new characters, none of whom were interesting or likeable.

by Anonymousreply 5206/19/2020

One of the things I remembered was it was some big deal when Lana Turner guest starred, but the tabloids were printing stories about some Jane Wyman/Lana Turner feud. Why were those two old bitches feuding?

by Anonymousreply 5306/19/2020

I tuned out after the earthquake cliffhanger when Kim Novak took over the show. I thought it was ridiculous that she would play some low rent scam artist taking on the identity of a ship magnate's daughter and get away with it for so long while being chased by criminals. That role required someone much, much younger, more cunning and more perky. Mariska Hargitay should've played that one instead of the Sidney-esque character (from Melrose Place).

I liked the idea of introducing a family of immigrants into the show and potentially put the focus back on wine making and make stories about that rather than go with ANOTHER secret criminal organisation that needs to be taken down.

It should've ended before killing off Maggie. Hell, even before they killed off Melissa.

by Anonymousreply 5406/19/2020

What ingredients or dynamics did it lack that meant it wasn't as successful as Dallas and Dynasty?

by Anonymousreply 5506/19/2020

That's a good question, R55. I'll spitball.

I'd argue its success was "comparable" SOMEWHAT to Knot's Landing (not a great amount), both of which had 10:00 PM time-slots on Thursday (Knot's)/Friday (Falcon), where the more popular Dallas/Dynasty were 9:00 PM time-slots (for the most part). Knot's had the longevity of Dallas (13 seasons), where Falcon lasted 9 seasons (like Dynasty). Falcon was at or near the Top 10 for 4 seasons (so almost half its life), where Knot's was at/near Top 10 for two seasons. Granted, Knot's consistency was admirable and was more impressive than Falcon or Dallas/Dynasty.

Knot's was also more "relatable" to women. The regular characters were more suburban where on Dallas/Dynasty they were larger than life, and I'd argue Falcon to some extent as well (Angela and Richard for sure). But, if you look at the "big" characters, in Dynasty, there was Alexis and Crystal with the man Blake caught in the middle. With Dallas, you had J.R.--a man--leading the show. With Knot's, the cast was more of an ensemble led by women. Yet, with Falcon, the big character really was Angela and she had no man that was her "equal."

So, it may have to do with timeslots, as well as sex, and Angela not being "on the level" of J.R./Blake/Alexis/Crystal. I'm not sure. Just spitballing.

by Anonymousreply 5606/19/2020

I left out that part of Falcon Crest's success was having Dallas as a lead-in.

by Anonymousreply 5706/19/2020

Also, I'd wager oil was regarded as a "greater" industry than wine as far as power, etc.

by Anonymousreply 5806/19/2020

Lance takes Chao Li's daughter out for a date; the show was set near San Francisco.

They come back to the house; Melissa's having dinner with Angela, Eric and Stavros...

Melissa's still pining for Lance.

Chao Li's daughter said: We went into the city for our date.

Melissa (looking right at Lance): "Oh? Chinatown?"

by Anonymousreply 5906/19/2020

Falcon Crest was also the only one of the major weekly soaps featuring Latino characters and actors like Lorenzo Lamas. The closest Dallas came was hiring Barbara Carrera as a villain in one season (their "it was all a dream!" season).

by Anonymousreply 6006/19/2020

I remember FRESNO - Carol Burnett's satire on FC. Gregory Harrison at his hottest, 'The Shirtless Stranger'.

by Anonymousreply 6106/19/2020

[quite]I hated Ana Alicia.

I did too. She was annoying.

by Anonymousreply 6206/19/2020

[quote]Falcon Crest was also the only one of the major weekly soaps featuring Latino characters and actors like Lorenzo Lamas.

LL is half white and looks completely white. Not exactly groundbreaking.

by Anonymousreply 6306/19/2020

Great post r56 thanks for such a detailed reply.

In the UK Falcon Crest was aired in the afternoon so it was more a smaller cult viewership as opposed to primetime scheduling of Dallas and Dynasty here in the evening.

by Anonymousreply 6406/20/2020

Hey, I drowned in a pool in my fucking wedding dress.

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by Anonymousreply 6506/20/2020

Knots was never a huge ratings juggernaut. It was solid (until right near the end), but I think it consistently lost to LA Law. In many ways, that freed up Knots to stick to its own vision most of the time (the Pat/Gary aborted story being one of the few times the showrunners were told to not do a story, and that one really screwed up the pacing of that season).

Dallas and Dynasty were both massive hits, and that put pressure on them to keep it up. For Dynasty, the class dynamics and dialogue of Season 1 were long gone, but it kept it pretty great right up until Moldavia (which was a disaster on many levels, not the least of which was only killing Ali MacGraw and Billy Campbell). For Dallas, the dream season was a real problem, because you saw the female characters have serious growth (Linda Gray and resident DL cunt Susan Howard had great dramatic arcs that season). Bringing Patrick back might have felt satisfying to a lot of people, but Pam suddenly became a cranky wife for that whole season, and you undid a lot of good story, with limited airtime then available to those characters with Patrick back.

Bringing it back to Falcon Crest: not being a massive hit, but not having the same cred as KL, allowed them to really do the humor as a way to differentiate. By season 4, the show had its identity (splashy guest stars, slightly OTT stories, humor). There was some move away from the vineyard with Richard's intrigues, but the Valley was always there. Even with turning Julia into a killer at the end of Season 2, she still existed as a full character for two more seasons (and arguably still should have been thereafter, before they wrote her off to the convent so randomly).

I'll ask another question: could any other show could have had Emma?

by Anonymousreply 6606/20/2020

Better than Dynasty OP? Dynasty played the show completely for laughs . It was utter camp. When you have Cesar Romero, Jane Wyman and Lorenzo Lamas on the same show said camp factor should have been ratcheted up demonstrably.

by Anonymousreply 6706/20/2020

The good thing is that this was the only Prime Time Soap that had the contrast rich/middle class families - The Channing's & Gioberti's

But the families were not fleshed out well - Angela only had two daughters - both crazy and no male son. They had to do revisionist history to make Richard the son of Angela. But that was going into season 8

But by that time the Gioberti family was history, and it just centered on the Channings. I had the same complaints with Dynasty as they too had to do revisionist history and create offspings of Alexis & Blake's out of thin air

Gary Jacobs created an excellent template on Dallas with the Ewings, The family dynamics were so strong, it lasted seven strong years.

Only quibble I had with Jacobs was making Ray the illegitimate child of Jock. They should've had Gary from the start be the foreman of the ranch.

That is Just my opinion.

by Anonymousreply 6806/20/2020

Why is Susan Howard considered a cunt? Is it because of her fundamental Christianity?

by Anonymousreply 6906/20/2020

I think that was the reason. And also for the fact she didn’t become the kind of star/leading lady she felt she deserved to be.

by Anonymousreply 7006/20/2020

[quote] Why is Susan Howard considered a cunt? Is it because of her fundamental Christianity?

She kept her political views to herself - until 1985 season. At the time the writers were planning to have her character have an abortions, because child was going to have downs syndrome. Susan Howard pitched a fit behind the scenes and wouldn't have any of it. Being a Christian and pro-lifer she complained vigorously "Why can't we ever show the pro-life point of view" - So the writers compromised, they would have the character have a miscarriage

But then that was during the dream year, and her whole years work dealing with down syndrome kids, was trashed and the character was once again pregnant

I don't know if her conservatism led to her firing, but she was let-go as the writers felt a Ray/Jenna coupling would be better moving forward. But then budget cuts took hold and both characters were written out a year later.

by Anonymousreply 7106/20/2020

What was ironic was that Susan Howard was a HARD-RIGHT Conservative. The character she was playing was a Democratic political strategist - so her character was also spouting off Liberal ideology - which was counter to her personal Conservative beliefs. But she is an actress and went with the flow

But she drew the line at the proposed abortion storyline, and that might have led to her downfall.

After "Dallas" she went off to be the co-host of the 700 Club, and whatever remaining cache she might of had in Hollywood casting circles, was now finished after she did that.

by Anonymousreply 7206/20/2020

For his part Steve Kanaly was glad they broke up Ray & Donna - it has nothing to do with Susan Howard. He really liked her and to this day they remain good friends.

His complaint was that Ray & Donna were like one character - he had nothing to act with other than "Ray & Donna against the world" - and it was usually Donna doing something political and Ray being the supportive husband.

Kanaly said his favorite storyline (outside of anything to do with the late Jim Davis) was the Ray/Jenna love story. He felt finally got out of the shadow of being just Donna's husband.

by Anonymousreply 7306/20/2020

And Lucy’s fuck buddy!

by Anonymousreply 7406/20/2020

I also like FLAMINGO ROAD, but it barely lasted three years. It was worth it to see John Beck and Woody Brown.

by Anonymousreply 7506/20/2020

I don't know what went down between TPTB on Dallas and Susan Howard but her final year they were giving her less and less to do. Some shows she only had 3 minute scene.

Her final scene on the show was in baby's nursery, where she is being told that the Justice department is going after the Ewings. After that we never saw her again, no wrap-up, no fond farewell, no good-bye. She just left the room never to be seen again

The next season it gets explained by Ray that he has talked to Donna and that their divorce has been finalized. And from that point on, we never hear from Donna again

And that has frustrated Susan Howard over the years, as she has felt there was no closure for her or the character.

by Anonymousreply 7606/20/2020

I think they mentioned Donna a few times after that. I seem to remember someone (Ray? Miss Ellie?) talking to her on the phone. Of course, she wasn’t seen or heard. She married that senator (Andrew something), or it was implied that she did, or was going to. And I guess they raised her daughter Margaret.

by Anonymousreply 7706/20/2020

Donna wasn't on the "new" Dallas (reboot). Wow, was that show a mess! 3 seasons. Final season was particularly odious.

by Anonymousreply 7806/20/2020

The best theme for night soaps. Susan turning her head.

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by Anonymousreply 7906/20/2020

I didn’t think new Dallas was a mess, exactly. It certainly could’ve been better, and I thought Jesse Metcalfe was terribly miscast.

by Anonymousreply 8006/20/2020

They had all the ingredients to make the new Dallas a smash like the old Dallas - but it was a complete mess

by Anonymousreply 8106/20/2020

Didn't watch the reboot, but didn't if fall apart after Larry Hagman died? People basically tuned in to see J.R. and didn't care about the new additions.

by Anonymousreply 8206/20/2020

Jesse Metcalfe was so miscast; the coloring was all wrong.

Did Cidre even know that the two -- John Ross and Christopher -- were biological cousins.

by Anonymousreply 8306/20/2020

Judith Light was amazing in season three; it was erotic when her character Judith Ryland (?) taunted John Ross with going to prison and what would happen to him there; she took such delight in it.

by Anonymousreply 8406/20/2020

Falcon Crest was a huge hit.

Lorenzo Lamas and Billy R Moses were fucking gorgeous.

“Chao-Li, get the car!”

by Anonymousreply 8506/20/2020

[quote] Falcon Crest was a huge hit.

Because it followed Dallas

by Anonymousreply 8606/20/2020

Both Jesse Metcalfe and the guy who played John Ross were also way too young looking for those adult chaacters-both were man-children. At least Billy Moses and Lorenzo Lamas were MEN.

by Anonymousreply 8706/20/2020

The guy who played John Ross is allegedly family. Haven’t seen him much since Dallas was canceled. He has a bad nose job too.

by Anonymousreply 8806/20/2020

You mean Josh Henderson? Didn't really get a gay vibe from him, but my gaydar is broken. He still mourns the cancellation of Dallas.

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by Anonymousreply 8906/20/2020

In a way Emma was an ideal character to write for. She had the vulnerability of a child, but she could also have a sex life. She was quick witted, eccentric, and throughout the show lived through a pretty wide range of emotions. I found it hilarious that she turned out to be the stronger and more stable daughter. Her zings at Angela were excellent. Emma was the only one who was never afraid of Angela. It must have been great fun to play that character.

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by Anonymousreply 9006/20/2020

Oh, r89?

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by Anonymousreply 9106/20/2020

[quote] could any other show could have had Emma?

Characters like Emma were what made FC great. I always loved how Emma would say to Angela "How's Trix, Mother?" Conservative old Angela acted sort of perturbed that Emma wasn't a proper lady, but liked her spunk and sass at the same time.

by Anonymousreply 9206/20/2020

When Lorenzo started showing up on set strung out on cocaine in the first season Jane took him aside and berated him. She told him how ashamed his father the late Fernando Llamas would have been. That really hit him where it hurt.

by Anonymousreply 9306/20/2020

R93 and he cleaned up his act after that

by Anonymousreply 9406/20/2020

Another Lorenzo story. He was a teenager living with his father and his stepmother Esther Williams. She caught him masturbating in or around their pool at home in Hollywood. She was not happy. I would have been. Read this somewhere or it might have been from an interview he did.

by Anonymousreply 9506/20/2020

These days it would've been revealed that Emma, as a kid, was molested by her uncle, Chase's dad. And Angela would be ashamed about it and keep her away from the public so the dirty family secret never comes out.

by Anonymousreply 9606/20/2020

I adored all these shows and Falcon Crest was right at the top. David Selby and Lorenzo Lamas were so hot. Jane Wyman as Angela was hilarious.

The nighttime soaps - Dallas, Dynasty, Falcon Crest, BH90210, Melrose Place, Models, Inc - were great. The only one I didn't like was Knot's Landing. I especially loved Central Park West, which you can see on Daily Motion.

What is their current equivalent?

by Anonymousreply 9706/20/2020

Scandal (is that still on?) and How to Get Away With Murder (which is ending or has just ended) are probably the closest things now.

by Anonymousreply 9806/20/2020

Don't forget about "new" Dynasty.

by Anonymousreply 9906/20/2020

Lorenzo Lamas in black speedos!

by Anonymousreply 10006/20/2020

there is no equivalent to them now.

it was a golden age never to be repeated

Maybe REVENGE on ABC came close; in fact, yes, I'd put Victoria Grayson up there with Angela, Alexis, JR and Abby.

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by Anonymousreply 10106/20/2020

JR belongs in his own category, actually.

by Anonymousreply 10206/20/2020

Watch Dallas 2012, R102. I loved it and was so sorry it was cancelled after Larry Hagman died. Judith Light and Mitch Pileggi were great and so was Josh Henderson.

by Anonymousreply 10306/20/2020

[quote] Don't forget about "new" Dynasty.

I actually try to do exactly that.

by Anonymousreply 10406/21/2020

[quote]Maybe REVENGE on ABC came close

I'd say Melrose Place did, as it came about when the others had already exited or were on their way out.

Desperate Housewives (the first season in particular) put a new spin on things in maybe a "smaller" environment.

Revenge certainly came the closest to capturing the spirit of the formula. But, the formula had been played out and required being reinvented.

by Anonymousreply 10506/21/2020

I don't think they could do a new FC but if they did there would the entire generation that were only babies and kids when the show ran with which to work. You would have Lance's daughter with PIllar and Maggie's two boys with Chase and Richard. Also Lance and Emma each were expecting another child when the show ended. And you of course would have Joseph. Oh and I forgot about Cole's child with Robin Agreti. Am I missing anyone?

by Anonymousreply 10606/21/2020

There is nothing that comes close to Falcon Crest these days, because no show bothers with pulling that many old movie guest star stunts. Our TV culture is incredibly youth oriented. If you think about it that era ended with Aaron Spelling and the start of Darren Star's BH90210 / Melrose Place teen show popularity.

by Anonymousreply 10706/21/2020

[quote] I don't think they could do a new FC but

actually a reboot is being developed - and David Selby & Billy Moses are attached

by Anonymousreply 10806/21/2020

Aren’t the original actors who are still alive 100 years old? A remake would be more interesting. The show is almost forgotten anyway.

by Anonymousreply 10906/21/2020

Was there ever any homosex on Falcon Crest?

by Anonymousreply 11006/21/2020

[quote] actually a reboot is being developed - and David Selby & Billy Moses are attached

That would be awesome. But is that a serious effort?

by Anonymousreply 11106/21/2020

I thought the reboot is an old story, around the time of the Dallas reboot taking off. Unless they've revived the concept. David Selby must be getting up there age-wise, I would guess he's pushing 80, if not well into the 80s.

by Anonymousreply 11206/21/2020

[quote] David Selby must be getting up there age-wise, I would guess he's pushing 80, if not well into the 80s.

His character would be the "Angela Channing" of Falcon Crest

by Anonymousreply 11306/21/2020

R113 I know, but do we really need to see a sad, elderly retread from the 80s? I mean, Larry Hagman died during the Dallas reboot. Maybe they should just let some things lie or just not include those old characters. Or if they only included his character intermittently, not as a main element of the series.

by Anonymousreply 11406/21/2020

Selby is 79.

Here is what I learned from Dallas (2012): They planned the shoe around the young generation with the original stars being just decoration. Linda Gray - again - was relegated as a guest star at first. Then they noticed that the older cast were the real stars, the ones that people wanted to see. So they were utilized more. And then Hagman died. I thought that Josh Henderson received good enough stories in the third season to carry the show along with the young ones, but I think at that point, that wasn't what the audience wanted to see. (The show also had some huge mis-steps in all three seasons). So for FC that tells me: Either use Selby and Moses as the main characters with a strong supporting cast, or don't use them at all, and bring an entire new cast. Having former main characters but not utilizing them could be a big distraction.

by Anonymousreply 11506/21/2020

I liked Josh Henderson as John Ross a lot. But the rest of the younger actors just paled in comparison to the likes of Gray, Duffy, and Hagman. Hagman was half dead and he still took over every scene he was in.

Henderson worked, as did the actress who played Rebecca, but the other younger actors were as dull as dishwater.

by Anonymousreply 11606/21/2020

I couldn't stand the guy who played Christopher Ewing. He was always whining and crying.

by Anonymousreply 11706/21/2020

Also, there were a few characters who would’ve been young adults that should’ve been utilized. Bobby and Jenna’s son Lucas being the main one.

by Anonymousreply 11806/21/2020

Jesse Metcalfe as Christopher was more of a miscast than Lucille Ball as Mame. And he’s a terrible actor.

by Anonymousreply 11906/21/2020

And yet Metcalfe moved on almost immediately to the Hallmark Show Chesapeak Shores as the male lead which has released its fourth season and will very likely be renewed. Allthough yeah, it's Hallmark.

by Anonymousreply 12006/21/2020

Will "new" Falcon Crest be like "new" Dynasty?

by Anonymousreply 12106/21/2020

The lady who played Emma aged terribly!

I never liked the actress who played Maggie. She always had a bitchface.

by Anonymousreply 12206/21/2020

Melissa was one crazy cunt. Her fights with Angela were hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 12306/21/2020

Ana Alicia would be great as an older, wiser, less trampy Melissa. Of course they would have to bring the character back from the dead. As much as I love Lorenzo Llamas the character of Lance is really nothing without Angela. So he would be useless even though as a daddy he still fills out a speedo quite well. Billy Moses could come back as Cole who returns from Australia at the request of his younger brother to help run FC. Cole could also have some regrets about ever leaving FC in the first place. Really they just need Melissa and Cole. Any old fans returning to the new show would have no problem acting like her death never happened. If they wanted an Angela in the making it could be Lance and Pillars daughter. She was the only female heir of Angela's. The male heirs/partners could always be plotting against her with various temporary alliances.

by Anonymousreply 12406/21/2020

R124 Didn't Melissa die when FC burned down? Although that's never stopped them before when bringing back a dead character.

by Anonymousreply 12506/21/2020

r124, I think Emma named her daughter Angela.

by Anonymousreply 12606/21/2020

I forgot. Did we ever see Emma's baby? I thought Emma just left the show pregnant. What would Emma's daughter be like? How and where would she have been raised? Whatever the answer Emma's baby got screwed out of her share of FC. Lance's kids each got a quarter and Richards kids each got a quarter. Also Angela's son the priest Ken Olin also got screwed out of his share.

by Anonymousreply 12706/21/2020

Cindy Cidre, the showrunner of the Dallas reboot, didn't even like Dallas. That's why by the third season, the series focused on non-Ewings, as well as on dark and violent plots. (Cidre would brag, "I used to write very, very violent movies for Michael Mann and other dark directors.") Christopher was killed off in the finale, so that would have meant one less Ewing had the series returned for another season.

I remember David Jacobs, who Cidre tried to cheat out of his rightful "created by" credit, said he would have made John Ross the good one and Christopher the bad one.

by Anonymousreply 12806/21/2020

[quote] I remember David Jacobs, who Cidre tried to cheat out of his rightful "created by" credit, said he would have made John Ross the good one and Christopher the bad one.

That would make sense

by Anonymousreply 12906/21/2020

So did Jesse Metcalfe want to quit Dallas or was he fired? Wow, kill off the Christopher character. Dumb. That third season was the worst thing ever, all that emphasis on Mexican drug cartels. The final scene of the series had John Ross on the phone saying he had located JR's daughter. I wonder who would have played her...and where had she been for the past 25 years!

by Anonymousreply 13006/21/2020

JR can suck my strap on!!

by Anonymousreply 13106/21/2020

Maggie didn't have two little boys; one was Chase and Maggie's; the other was Richard and Anne Archer's (I think the boys are cousins as Chase's dad and Richard's mother were brother and sister)

If there IS a Falcon Crest reboot coming, I'd resurrect Maggie faster than Susan Sullivan can turn and throw her hair.

Jesse Metcalfe has a history of quitting shows or not renewing his deals; he left Passions; he quit Desperate Housewives....they were probably going to recast him.

by Anonymousreply 13206/21/2020

Christopher's car exploded in the final episide of new/bad Dallas. Would he have survived? Had miraculous and quick plastic surgery (like Steven Carrington)? New actor playing Christopher?

by Anonymousreply 13306/21/2020

R132 he quit Passions, but leaving Desperate Housewives was not his choice. He was written out as there was nowhere to go with his story

by Anonymousreply 13406/21/2020

Aren't there rumors that Metcalfe put out for Marc Cherry (yuck!) to get the role in Desperate Housewives?

by Anonymousreply 13506/21/2020

Jesse should be in the new Falcon Crest as Cole's little brother.

by Anonymousreply 13606/21/2020

R130, he was let go.

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by Anonymousreply 13706/21/2020

R133 Pam Ewing drove her Mercedes into a gas tanker truck, then came back as a scarred up different actress. That plot has been done before on Dallas.

by Anonymousreply 13806/21/2020

[quote]Falcon Crest was great campy fun, until the last season when it turned into something bizarre and unrecognizable (and neither suspenseful nor fun). I could never understand why they did that to the show.

It started off on a bad note with Maggie's gruesome death, and then, Angela was suffocated by a pillow in the following episode. Worst of all, they fucked up the opening theme. I liked the addition of Gregory Harrison (just because I think he's a hot piece of ass), but what an awful final season.

It's funny that Dynasty was always the weakest creatively of the 80s primetime soaps, yet managed to have the strongest final season out of the four.

by Anonymousreply 13906/21/2020

Dynasty One was never really able to get its mojo back after the Moldavia massacre. Plus Diahann Carroll’s character was misused-criminally. Supposedly she was going to be revealed as Kirby’s mother, but the Shapiros wussed out at the last minute. Then they brought the interestingly named but dull as dishwater Troy Beyer to play Carroll’s daughter.

It would have made a great IMITATION OF LIFE kind of storyline.

by Anonymousreply 14006/21/2020

They hired Diahann and then thought about what they'd do with her after the fact.

That hardly EVER works out.

by Anonymousreply 14106/21/2020

Dynasty and Falcon Crest had the same problem -both shows would hire old movie stars, or have a dramatic cliffhanger , without any real thought put into what to do with the character or the aftermath of the cliffhanger. That was the never the problem with Knots Landing , and it really wasn’t for Dallas with the big exceptions of Bobby’s death and the dream season/shower scene.

Bobby should have been kidnapped by Katherine and presumed dead after a car accident or something, it would have been a better story, especially if we saw the various Ewings running around trying to get him back.

by Anonymousreply 14206/21/2020

Cidre would have brought him back; no Christopher meant fewer Bobby scenes.

by Anonymousreply 14306/21/2020

They may have brought in Lucas Krebbs, Bobby's other son. And he could have been the resentful evil off-spring, like a Young Richard Channing.

About Cynthia Cidre, I remember she said that they had planned a CGI-created addition to the Southfork house after they had the fire. Such abomination.

What's the deal with Cynthia Cidre? She was part of that Don Johnson soap Oil that crashed and burned after one short season. She was a co-executive producer but left either before the pilot or sometime mid-season.

by Anonymousreply 14406/21/2020

[quote] Cindy Cidre, the showrunner of the Dallas reboot, didn't even like Dallas.

That is something I don't understand. If you are going to the trouble of resurrecting a beloved show, why would you choose a person who didn't like or care about the original. One of the reasons that Star Trek TNG, probably the best tv sequel/continuation series ever, worked so well, was because it was filled with Trek fans behind the scenes.

The worse thing she did was to create this whole new Hispanic family on Southfork, that we were supposed to pretend had been there all along. When all she had to do was make them Raoul and/or Teresa's family, and fans might have cared. It would be like making an Asian family a central part of a Falcon Crest reboot, but having them not be connected to Chao-Li, but pretending they had been around during the original.

by Anonymousreply 14506/21/2020

They turned the Ewing housekeeper Carmen into a treacherous cunt. That really pissed me off.

by Anonymousreply 14606/21/2020

r145, my money is on TNT. They were happy to get a male oriented TV show for their male oriented channel. The show played in Texas, so they saw a chance to also serve the Hispanic demographic. Cidre coming from a no-soap background may support my assumptions. Generally, the channel and the studio take great influence in the development of a show, so I'm hesitant to blame just Cidre for the lackluster revival. I'd say somebody at TNT had a vision for the show and found a suitable executor in Cidre.

by Anonymousreply 14706/21/2020

I doubt anyone put out for a part on DH; better to go commercial and not dip the pen in company ink.

Cherry was asked once in a press conference if story for John (Metcalf), a gardner, was wrapping up once his fling with Gaby was public; Cherry quipped that he could always have John go 'mow Felicity Huffman's lawn'

by Anonymousreply 14806/21/2020

Has anyone watched the unaired first pilot of Falcon Crest? Different actors play Maggie and Chase, Angela has white hair, Julia is named Dorcas, and there is a Richard Channing (not David Selby) who is Angela's son. It's on dailymotion.com and titled "The Vintage Years".

by Anonymousreply 14906/21/2020

[quote]Lorenzo was hot and that was it.

Looking at his Twitter, he’s a big Trumper. Big turnoff.

by Anonymousreply 15006/21/2020

I don't blame Cidre for all the DALLAS inconsistencies. Jamey Giddens (ex-journalist who created AMBITIONS on OWN) said once if the GAME OF THRONE producers were going to walk and HBO hired people who said they didn't know the show at all, well, then that's on HBO.

I'm paraphrasing him. And he's right 100% of course.

If Cidre came in with a DALLAS pilot and said she wanted to revive it, if I were a TNT exec, I would have asked question 1: Do you know the show? And if not, how do you propose to satisfy the die hard fans?

If she didn't know the history, then they just should have changed the names and called it A Family in Texas or Capricorn Crude.

by Anonymousreply 15106/21/2020

Capricorn Crude? LOL. Well done, Valene Ewing!

by Anonymousreply 15206/21/2020

That was the publisher's idea!

I wanted A Family in Texas!

by Anonymousreply 15306/21/2020

Did I ever say what the title of my movie, that had JR shaking in his boots, was?

by Anonymousreply 15406/21/2020

r93 Is that the guy who was married to million dollar mermaid Esther Williams at one point?

by Anonymousreply 15506/21/2020

That was such a dumb plot for Sue Ellen’s final season, r154. What should have happened is they brought Mandy Winget back, who tries to get JR (now married to Cally) back. Because Sue Ellen hated Mandy so much, she plays Henry Higgins to Cally’s Eliza Doolittle, making her into a proper Texas oil wife and stepmom to John.

The movie plot didn’t make sense, she didn’t get that much out of JR In the divorce.

by Anonymousreply 15606/21/2020

R156 I thought the money came more from her business dealings like her lingerie business and weststar shares.

by Anonymousreply 15706/21/2020

If JR, Angela, Alexis, Richard, Bobby , Greg, Blake and Abbey all were competing in a business deal who would win?

by Anonymousreply 15806/22/2020

The Jeff Wainwright storyline on FALCON CREST was ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 15906/22/2020

Abby and Greg would have teamed up and destroyed the others

by Anonymousreply 16006/22/2020

I loved Emma. She stole every scene she was in. And her interactions with Angela were priceless.

by Anonymousreply 16106/22/2020

Was not Billy Moses in Mystic Pizza or am I getting him mixed up with some other actor?

by Anonymousreply 16206/22/2020

Yes, Billy Boy was in Mystic Pizza.

by Anonymousreply 16306/22/2020

Abby would have won. She would have used sex in a way Angela and Alexis could not have.

by Anonymousreply 16406/22/2020

With that horse face? Doubtful.

by Anonymousreply 16506/22/2020

With that horse face? Doubtful.

by Anonymousreply 16606/22/2020

I love this question. I suspect Angela and Richard (and they would have teamed up if they were behind) would be much more competitive than Abby & Greg, mostly because Angela and Richard both hated losing so much. Abby and Greg both were capable of pivoting when they lost something, usually to salvage (sometimes to something better). Angela and Richard were both so ruthless about end goals. Mind you, each was capable of screwing the other over, but my gut here says Angela/Richard win, and possibly one dicks over the other.

Alexis and JR, Bobby and Blake, notsomuch. Fun, yes, but none were in the same business stratosphere as the FC and KL business foxes.

by Anonymousreply 16706/22/2020

[quote] If JR, Angela, Alexis, Richard, Bobby , Greg, Blake and Abbey all were competing in a business deal who would win?

Who'd be their sidekick helping them to execute their schemes? None of them ever really pulled off a scheme on their own.

by Anonymousreply 16806/22/2020

Abby didn't have a horseface.

by Anonymousreply 16906/22/2020

One of the most memorable scenes in FC was when they were having a bachelor party for someone who was marrying Melissa. One of the guests comments to the groom "Hey. I'm the only one here who hasn't slept with your fiance!" I felt so bad for Melissa and she wasn't even there!

by Anonymousreply 17006/22/2020

Abby had buck teeth.

by Anonymousreply 17106/22/2020

There was a scene in a later season where Angela owned Melissa and humiliated her by releasing a song with an unflattering picture of Melissa on the cover and each release supposedly came with a free comb. That was pretty funny.

by Anonymousreply 17206/22/2020

So what if Julia had buck teeth?! She was one of the best put wine in a beaker wear a lab coat and write things on a clipboard type wine scientist in the world.

by Anonymousreply 17306/22/2020

Abby Dalton had a horseface on a par with Victoria Wyndham’s. Both attractive ladies but with horsefaces, nevertheless.

by Anonymousreply 17406/22/2020

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by Anonymousreply 17506/22/2020

Abby understood Gary's value: money and a huge dong. In that order.

by Anonymousreply 17606/22/2020

Vicki Gioberti #1 vs. Vicki Gioberti #2. Discuss!

by Anonymousreply 17706/22/2020

R177 I thought the Vicki dating the middle aged married guy storyline was interesting, kind of a comment on the dynamics of the Gioberti father-daughter relationship.

New Vicki was just kind of a brat. Jamie Rose was a better actress. I always felt like the writers never knew what to do with that character, she was sort of tangential to the wine business storylines.

by Anonymousreply 17806/22/2020

If forced to adulate, Jamie Rose was a better actress than Dana Sparks, but her storylines sucked.

Dana Sparks was annoying as fuck, but she did fit the tapestry better at that time (her being sold into white slavery is unintentionally hysterical), and she had very 80s looks and clothes.

by Anonymousreply 17906/22/2020

I wonder why Vicki #1 left. Vicki #2 married some hot guy on the show. Eric? How were they written off the show?

by Anonymousreply 18006/22/2020

Eric was brainwashed and tried to kill Richard. Then his dad (Peter Stavros) picked him up and dragged him out of the country. While back in the US for a split second he asked Vicky to join him and help Eric to get better. And so she left.

I liked Dana Sparks, but her character was utterly botched. In her first season she started out as the heir presumptive of Angela. They had those really nice scenes between Angela and Vickie about family and the land. But then in the second half of that season, she just became that pain in the ass, partying with Eric for weeks. She pretty much was a character with zero redeeming qualities. In her second season she was off-screen for many episodes (possibly for budget reasons), so there wasn't really much opportunity to develop her character. By then, the season before Pilar came and Melissa died, FC was already a mess, imo.

by Anonymousreply 18106/22/2020

I liked the Kim Novak season. The show got messy after that, right? Why? Many different writers? No more top-notch guest stars to hire?

by Anonymousreply 18206/22/2020

Vickie number one fit the overall theme of the first few seasons. They moved from NYC. She was just out of high school and didn't want to live in the country. She wanted to have fun and be a "grown-up " Her bad decisions were understandable. Vicki number two just didn't get great writing. All her storylines with Eric were meh. She played best as an accessory to her parents. I thought they were both good actresses.

by Anonymousreply 18306/22/2020

Maggie was (is) like only 17 years older than her son, Cole. It was so obvious. Should've stuck with the original Maggie, played by Samantha Eggar. Susan Sullivan should've stayed put on "It's a Living"!

by Anonymousreply 18406/22/2020

Falcon Crest was pretty ahead of its time if you consider Angela wielded a huge power base that she didn't get via sexuality (see Alexis and Abby)

by Anonymousreply 18506/22/2020

R158, easy.

Bobby would have won.

It all would have come down to who gets the tundra torque.

Pam would give it to Bobby.

And then Bobby would give it to Pam.

by Anonymousreply 18606/22/2020

Pre-Falcon Crest, Dana played a model on Cover Up.

She and the other models got to hang out with Jon-Erik Hexum.

What a loss he was.

by Anonymousreply 18706/22/2020

Dana Sparks was also a lead on PASSIONS.

Billy Moses had a nice role in the last season of HOW TO GET AWAY WITH MURDER.

by Anonymousreply 18806/22/2020

Tomato Soup Cake for the win.

by Anonymousreply 18906/23/2020

Lorenzo Lamas was the only cast member to appear in every episode, Make of that what you will.

by Anonymousreply 19006/23/2020

Is Lamas still a cokehead?

by Anonymousreply 19106/23/2020

Vicky number one has her own acting school. Vicky number two sells real estate.

by Anonymousreply 19206/23/2020

Eric died recently. Emma had the cheesiest boyfriends. How did the show explain why baby Richard was taken away from Angela? She was told the infant had died? Why would anyone do that to her? Lame.

by Anonymousreply 19306/23/2020

r193, didn't they say that Jaqueline stole the baby for some reason and paid the doctor to say the baby was born dead?

by Anonymousreply 19406/23/2020

But then who told Angela the truth some 50 years later? How was it proven? DNA test? I think that was FC's worst plot twist.

by Anonymousreply 19506/23/2020

r195, Peter Stavros had PIs investigating Richard, Jacqueline, et al, for reasons unclear, and uncovered that Richard was the baby Angela believed had been born stillborn (which they gave us flashbacks to an old Jane Wyman film showing her being told about the baby's death).

I find it preposterous that she wouldn't have discovered Richard had the same birth date as her dead baby, but maybe they falsified his birth certificate data when they falsified Jacqueline as his mother.

I don't believe they ever formally proved it, though--does someone recall some pre-DNA scene that proved it?

(It also meant Richard banged his aunt when Gina Lollabrigida was in town)

by Anonymousreply 19606/23/2020

I also read that Chase was supposed to return from the dead and that Angie Dickinson was going to play Angela's long-lost daughter. WTF? The show wanted to invent long-lost children like Dynasty did. Lame.

by Anonymousreply 19706/23/2020

Chase was presumed drowned in the bay so his return was viable.

Maggie's would have been a stretch.

But I never cared for Chase; he could have given Mike Bauer lessons in being pompous.

by Anonymousreply 19806/23/2020

I remember Chase's body "was never found". Even as a 13 year old watching that back in the day, I remember thinking YEAH, RIGHT!

Who impregnated Emma at the end of the show? She would have been so old by then. I mean, think of Julia being pregnant at that time. LOL.

by Anonymousreply 19906/23/2020

[quote] Susan Sullivan should've stayed put on "It's a Living"!

she was fired from "It's a Living"!

by Anonymousreply 20006/23/2020

Fired? Why?

by Anonymousreply 20106/23/2020

[quote] Fired? Why?

Same reason 3 members of the facts of life were fired - they wanted reduce the show to a quartet

by Anonymousreply 20206/23/2020

Should also be said Susan Sullivan was also fired from Falcon Crest (budget cuts) and Wendy Phillips was hired to be David Selby's new leading lady,

by Anonymousreply 20306/23/2020

Have you watched the unaired pilot?

by Anonymousreply 20406/23/2020

For the few of us who were around for the last season the guy who played Michael Sharpe's son was HAWT.

by Anonymousreply 20506/23/2020

Angela's son on the unaired pilot was hot.

by Anonymousreply 20606/23/2020

There was a discussion also to have it revealed that Angela was an ex-mistress of Jock Ewing's and to do a Dallas crossover.

by Anonymousreply 20706/23/2020

R207 They should have done a Dallas crossover, where it is revealed Angela's father and Miss Ellie's mother, or vice versa, had an affair, and they have to determine if they are sisters. JR would manipulate the tests to try to get his hands on Falcon Crest. It would have made sense because one thing that Angela and Ellie shared was a devotion to the land.

by Anonymousreply 20806/23/2020

They had a character named JULIA CUMSON? How could you watch it with a straight face.

by Anonymousreply 20906/23/2020

And Lance Cumson. Cum, son. Good boy.

by Anonymousreply 21006/23/2020

I don't know where the hell they came up with the last name Cumson. Everyone else had very nice sounding last names. I always wished that he would change his name to Gioberti or Channing. I liked the Richard is Angela's real son storyline. I thought they explained it well the Gina Lollabrigida affair aside. I also liked how even after the reveal they never called each other son or mother. They were still just Richard and Angela to eachother as coequals.

by Anonymousreply 21106/23/2020

Wendy Phillips? Seriously? The chick from Wilson Phillips?

by Anonymousreply 21206/23/2020

no NOT Chynna Phillips

Wendy Phillips. she is a well-regarded actress.

by Anonymousreply 21306/23/2020

The Michael Sharpe year was a mess, and unpleasant, but he was so fucking hot. I almost didn't mind.

by Anonymousreply 21406/23/2020

Cole and Vicki did not return for their mother's funeral? That is stone cold.

by Anonymousreply 21506/23/2020

[quote] Morgan and Simon didn't keep driving--they were killed by Jeff Wainwright when they stopped to investigate the prison vehicle overturned by the earthquake. It was a waste getting rid of Simon, but I guess they decided Angie didn't need a full-time lawyer.

They did NOT get killed off - Angela received a letter from Greg (Simon's character) saying that he and Jordan had eloped and decided to make a fresh start somewhere else.

by Anonymousreply 21606/23/2020

I just saw Marjoe Gortner on a "Barnaby Jones" rerun. He was also on FC but I don't remember him on that show. Was he one of Emma's cheesy boyfriends?

by Anonymousreply 21706/23/2020

r217, I think he was Karlotti, some con she nearly married. I think it was the Kim Novak season (and the reason she was on the roof, suicidal, in the cliffhanger, which resulted in Chao Li's heart attack).

by Anonymousreply 21806/23/2020

[quote] Everyone else had very nice sounding last names.

According to IMDB Trivia page of Falcon Crest:

The character of Dan Fixx was originally named Ben Quick, but Brett Cullen hated the name so much, he asked to change it.

by Anonymousreply 21906/23/2020

What did Dan Fixx bring to the show? How was he written off? Dumb character.

by Anonymousreply 22006/23/2020

Brett went on to play a patriarch of two hot sons and a hot adopted son who probably would have turned out to be his as the adopted one looked the most like him.

This was all on a UPN show titled Legacy.

It had Grayson McCouch and other hotties; set in turn of the century, it was like Bonanza meets Melrose Place.

by Anonymousreply 22106/23/2020

No, silly, what about Brett on FC? Who was Dan Fixx? What were his storylines? How was he written off the show?

by Anonymousreply 22206/23/2020

Stopped watching when they killed off Terry. She was fun.

by Anonymousreply 22306/24/2020

Ben Quick was a character on "The Long Hot Summer"---long lost bastard son, I think.

But LANCE CUMSON? I guess the writers room had a sense of humor.

by Anonymousreply 22406/24/2020

[quote]Who was Dan Fixx? What were his storylines? How was he written off the show?

He showed up in Tuscany Valley one day. Don't remember why, but it was Angela who asked him to stay. I think it was alluded to Angela owing the mother, so taking care of Dan was paying back a debt. She wanted to mentor him, and of course fucked it up. He didn't want a mentor, preferred staying independent. Later that season it was uncovered that he had been in prison even though he was not guilty. (figuring this all out was one of Chase's last good deeds) Eventually he left the valley to take care of his ex wife who just had woken up out of a coma.

Never really connected to the character. He was a token lover to all the women and the token dude-friend, dialogue sparring partner for the male characters. Lots of viewers found him hot, but he just wasn't my type.

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by Anonymousreply 22506/24/2020

He was supposed to be the new Cole Gioberti (William R. Moses) who left.

by Anonymousreply 22606/24/2020

Brett Cullen sister was played by none other than Mariska Hargitay who made her TV debut on Falcon Crest

Interesting Brett Cullen has never appeared on SVU

by Anonymousreply 22706/24/2020

Are you insinuating something, R227?

by Anonymousreply 22806/24/2020

I didn't understand the Dan Fixx character, nor Angela's great affinity for him (at the expense of her relationship with Lance). He was cute in a blond, trying-to-fill-Billy's shoes way, but it didn't work for me.

Mariska as Carly Fixx was messy. She was raw. Beautiful and there was promise there, but I can only wonder if the character would have become a resident spitfire if Mariska had previous experience (like 6 months on a soap to learn more craft).

by Anonymousreply 22906/24/2020

Dan was a good character. Not as hot as Lance and Cole but at any given time on the show they needed a minimum number of men on the show who could fist fight . They also had to keep bringing in new young studs since Melissa went through men so fast. Someone please answer this for me. Did Lance with all his karate ever win a single fist fight against Cole or Chase. I don't think so. Why was this?

by Anonymousreply 23006/24/2020

r230, I think the show was implying that Lance never followed through on anything (until later seasons). Chao Li always seemed slightly exasperated with him. The gist would be that the blond fist fighters were scrappier and fought "with heart" while Lance was half-hearted and disinterested in putting himself into all.

by Anonymousreply 23106/24/2020

That's a really good analysis. Lance was shallow and didn't really stand for anything in those seasons. Chase and Cole were "the good guys" in the white hats.

by Anonymousreply 23206/24/2020

DORCAS CUMSON would have been even funnier than JULIA CUMSON and at least as funny as LANCE CUMSON.

by Anonymousreply 23306/24/2020

i think FC and KL have the best cliffhangers.

by Anonymousreply 23406/24/2020

Abby Dalton as Dorcas. Hilarious. What an awful name. Thank goodness the show changed the character's name to Julia.

by Anonymousreply 23506/24/2020

Who was Emma's baby daddy?

by Anonymousreply 23606/24/2020

I had heard they were trying to get Laura Johnson back for the last season as Terry; she'd have been miraculously brought back to life.

that didn't work out so we got Genele (Andrea Thompson) instead.

Most everyone I know hated the last season of FC; I didn't hate the new theme; it was almost like saying, 'hey; we're still here.'

Michael Sharp's son, who was really Richard's? I forget - he was a cutie.

I give Angela's speech an A+

I would have done something to bring Maggie back. It would have been cheesy. but her death ruined the show for me.

by Anonymousreply 23706/24/2020

So Terry would've faked her death from the earthquake? LMAO!

by Anonymousreply 23806/24/2020

[quote] I didn't hate the new theme

I hated it. They took one of the best and most beautiful theme songs in the history of TV and butchered it. Also, having Michael Sharpe getting the car window shot in the opening was sickening, that was Angela's thing, and she was and always will be the STAR of Falcon Crest.

by Anonymousreply 23906/24/2020

I did the Maggie turn-around from the opening credits in front of the mirror for weeks as a kid. Why, yes, I am gay. How did you know?

Not full-on topic (Falcon Crest) but this page about title cards from a variety of TV soaps is interesting and hilarious.

[quote] The opening credits for Bare Essence are a hoot. There's two face slaps before the title card even appears. Ava's title card is my favourite and makes me long for the day that the show will finally show up online or on DVD (wishful thinking I know) so I can finally watch it in it's entirety. Here Jessica Walter combines funeral chic, turban chic and cigarette chic like only the best soap bitches can.

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by Anonymousreply 24006/24/2020

R238, I think Richard was going to wake up and walk into the bathroom and there's Terry taking a shower.

by Anonymousreply 24106/24/2020

R239, the last season of FC was like the first season of the DALLAS revival; totally different. I took it as a whole new show so the new theme didn't piss me off.

I was surprised they got rid of something so iconic.

But this was the show that threw away Cole, Melissa and Maggie. So dumb.

by Anonymousreply 24206/24/2020

The brought back Ana Alicia as some Melissa look-a-like. I don't think FC ever pulled the long-lost identical twin stunt which could've been the thing they could've used for Laura Johnson.

by Anonymousreply 24306/24/2020

[quote] I don't think FC ever pulled the long-lost identical twin stunt which could've been the thing they could've used for Laura Johnson.

With the tagline: ... and Terry was the nice one!

by Anonymousreply 24406/24/2020

R240 to this day, I feel like Angela Channing whenever I roll down my car window.

by Anonymousreply 24506/25/2020

I heard that Terry rumor too and it Terry had brain damage from the beam hitting her. Richard went to tell Maggie - who assumed Terry was dead from Richard's face before he actually told her. Richard wanted control of Terry's finances. assuming he would have been her heir. Turned out she left it all to Maggie and he left her in an institution because she would never recover from the brain damage.

by Anonymousreply 24606/25/2020

That bland easy listening theme from the final season, or seasons, was atrocious. The show utterly failed to re-invent itself and appeal to a younger demographic, which I presume was what they were going for.

Lance Cumson was probably the most useless character ever. The only time he got interesting was when he fell in love with Richard's daughter Lorraine Prescott, played by Kate Vernon, and they did the whole Romeo and Juliet drama with him standing up to Angela and Lorraine dying when she tried to leave the country with Lance who was framed for a murder, he didn't do, or something like that.

by Anonymousreply 24706/25/2020

Lamas is a horrible actor.

by Anonymousreply 24806/25/2020

I admired/respected the last season's producer's guts to go with a completely new show. It really felt like a spin-off. And considering that the major stars of the show would no longer be available, what would you have done. The penultimate season, run by a soap producer, was considered a major failure already, and now Wyman and Sullivan were both gone. It was like: You have no chance, so take it.

Having said that, the last season started truly atrociously. Killing Maggie, especially this way, was a slap in the face. Michael Sharpe had no relations to wine. Genele Erickson was totally out of place, especially being the retconn'ed backstory of Frank Agretti. For all of this: Just no.

I do believe the show tried to backtrack in its last ten episodes though. They changed the title cards one last time. Genele redeemed herself and became human. They added back the soap elements, like the love story Richard/Lauren which I thought worked very well. I thought Lauren was distinctive enough from Maggie. They also added the my son/your son story without resolving it in a soap way. So some things were done right in the last season, at least at the very end.

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by Anonymousreply 24906/25/2020

The murder mystery episode is still one of my favorites.

by Anonymousreply 25006/25/2020

I've never gotten over the fact that they did not resolve one season's cliffhangers (I think it was the penultimate season). That's thumbing your nose at the audience. Whoever did the casting of young men had great taste: Cole and Lance were both hot, as was Dan Fixx. Even one of Emma's boyfriends was hot. Among the older set, Lance's father was hot, as was Chase (go, daddy).

by Anonymousreply 25106/25/2020

R251, which cliffhanger was unresolved?

by Anonymousreply 25206/25/2020

R249 I think I remember them trying to introduce quasi-supernatural elements into the plot in Season 9, like Richard having a psychic episode when Maggie died or Genele being a witch. They probably should have just continued with that format, it probably would've been more interesting. Except then they tried to backtrack at the end of the season but the damage was already done. Like having Genele be a crazy bitch who murdered her sister, kept the bones in a safety deposit box, and set Frank up for her murder, but then at the end she was somehow a good character? Kind of the same thing with Michael Sharpe, he was a murderous bastard in the beginning of the season but then they try and humanize him at the end. It really was all over the place at that point and needed cancellation.

by Anonymousreply 25306/25/2020

r253, David Selby played a villain who dabbled in black magic in Flamingo Road. Not to mention he was in Dark Shadows.

by Anonymousreply 25406/25/2020

I wished they had give FLAMINGO ROAD another chance. It was like the writers gave up after the second season.

by Anonymousreply 25506/25/2020

Holy cow! I forgot Danny ended up being Richard's son. I need to add that to my Channing family tree on ancestry.com. Saw Dan Fixx in a small role on Narcos the other night. What are the unresolved issues people keep talking about in the second to last season cliffhangers? I had to look up penultimate.

by Anonymousreply 256Last Saturday at 7:08 PM

I think one unresolved topic is Nick Aggretti and his son. What happened to them? The son's mother had died of assisted suicide, I think. And Nick had to answer what had happened to all the meds/narcotics. And then the next episode, they were not heard or seen of again.

by Anonymousreply 257Last Saturday at 8:50 PM

Nick Aggretti and his son Ben where hottie David Beecroft and Brandon Douglas

it was annoying to seeing that dropped

Angie's final speech was great; I would have brought back Maggie, Cole and Melissa for finale somehow

by Anonymousreply 258Last Saturday at 11:33 PM

I have a recollection of Pilar and Lance at a lake and Pilar going under, which was not never explicitly resolved. But it could be my faulty memory.

by Anonymousreply 259Last Sunday at 3:58 AM

I think the lake scene was Tommy (?), the Hispanic son who was in love with Maggie. It was insinuated that he drowned his annoying girlfriend. And the next season, Pilar's entire family was gone, including everybody's memory of them.

by Anonymousreply 260Last Sunday at 4:18 AM

Simon McCorkindale did it for me. His British accent rendered him asexual, but he had a great body, as did most of the males on the show -- who was the casting director?

by Anonymousreply 261Last Sunday at 4:40 AM

[quote] His British accent rendered him asexual

Why? A posh British accent makes me automatically horny.

by Anonymousreply 262Last Sunday at 9:17 AM

A working class cockney accent makes me even more horny. Those guys tend to have beer can thick cocks.

by Anonymousreply 263Last Sunday at 10:37 AM

This was a show full of Republicans. No thanks.

by Anonymousreply 264Last Sunday at 12:22 PM

Just think, Jane Wyman could been First Lady.

by Anonymousreply 265Last Sunday at 12:37 PM

R265 What would Ronald Reagan's first wife have thought of Melania's titty and lezzie photoshoots?

by Anonymousreply 266Last Sunday at 12:38 PM

Jane Baby would have rolled her eyes at Melanoma, just like she did at Appolonia.

by Anonymousreply 267Last Sunday at 12:44 PM

And then she would have returned to the business at hand.

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by Anonymousreply 268Last Sunday at 2:44 PM

a great crossover with Dallas and Falcon Crest would have been JR thinking there was oil on Falcon Crest land; he tries to buy; He Angie double double cross one another (both would have to win to make it all work).

Other pairings: Lucy uses Lance to make Mitch Jealous; Chase's kindness shows Sue Ellen there are options out there; Terry and JR hit the sheets; Pam rebuffs Richard's advances. Maggie and Ray (Another World!); Melissa and Cliff put some deal together; Emma falls in love with Bobby. and, of course, Raul and Teresa finally get some lines in a scene with Chao Li!

by Anonymousreply 269Last Sunday at 3:37 PM

Jane Wyman and her withered hatchet face were no draw, for me. So I never saw it.

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by Anonymousreply 270Last Sunday at 3:57 PM

Jane was doing Nancy Reagan on FC. Fun fact: Patti Davis was considered for a role on FC as Lance's latest conquest and whether Jane - or Nancy- put the kibosh on it, It might have been Terry she was considered for. Sela Ward got the part, then chose to decline it to take a larger role on the doomed Emerald Point, NAS.

by Anonymousreply 271Last Sunday at 4:27 PM

Jane could have been the first First Lady with an Oscar!

by Anonymousreply 272Last Sunday at 6:24 PM

Nick and Frank Agreti were good characters. It was a good idea to bring them in to let the Agreti name live on. What they eventually did to them was a disservice. Ben Agreti was annoying and not good looking enough.

by Anonymousreply 273Last Sunday at 6:28 PM

Carlo Agretti was murdered in season 2. Where were all these other Agrettis then and why the F did they show 6 seasons later?

by Anonymousreply 274Last Sunday at 6:34 PM

Frank had a fall out with the family, so he was never spoken off. Nick blamed him for not being available for him either. But there was also Robin Agretti, the little tramp who eventually getting Cole's baby. Her father's name was "Phil". Melissa called him Uncle Phil", so he may have been another brother.

by Anonymousreply 275Last Sunday at 7:45 PM

Oh yeah, that Robin surrogette mother storyline was terrible.

by Anonymousreply 276Last Sunday at 8:04 PM

I ADORE Bill Conti's work, & not every theme can be the best, but the "Falcon Crest" theme always sounded like it was trying too hard to be rich, grand, & sweeping. Even in the 1980s era of excess, Conti's music for "Falcon Crest" was simultaneously too much, and not enough.

by Anonymousreply 277Last Sunday at 8:09 PM

One reason the revised theme in the last season didn't bother me, in addition to the reasons R277 posted, is the show wasn't grand enough to carry that kind of theme anymore.

No Maggie. No Chase. No Cole. No Melissa. No Terry. No. Greg. Very little Emma or Chao Li. (was he on the full season?)

It was like a whittled down version of the show's original group. And deserved a milder version of its grand opening theme.

by Anonymousreply 278Last Sunday at 8:15 PM

What kids were on the show that could fill out a revival?

Richard's three sons, two of whom are biological.

Lance and Pilar's daughter (son?)

Emma had a child?

Joseph (Cole and Melissa's kid).

Selby is, I think 80, but could maybe do a few shows.

I'd revive Melissa and play her Cole and Lance.

And SOMEHOW bring back Maggie, too, and reunite her and Richard.

I really give credit to Dynasty for doing that reunion movie with a happy ending.

by Anonymousreply 279Last Sunday at 8:17 PM

Season 9 was "Falcon Crest: The New Generation" but it sucked.

by Anonymousreply 280Last Monday at 6:43 AM

How about a Falcon Crest and Knots Landing mash-up? Northern *and* southern California!

by Anonymousreply 281Last Monday at 7:45 AM

Jane, so sexless.

by Anonymousreply 282Last Monday at 8:14 AM

Sexless Jane, yet she got Rock in two 1950s films...and married twice on FC! Married Phillip and Peter!

by Anonymousreply 283Last Monday at 8:49 AM

Yes, because they were real life romances, sure...🙄

by Anonymousreply 284Last Monday at 9:33 AM

Some of Wyman's wigs looked like they were from her old movies.

by Anonymousreply 285Last Tuesday at 6:40 AM

Some of the wigs were from the Marx Brothers.

by Anonymousreply 286Last Tuesday at 8:26 AM

One of my favorite episodes is when there was a flood and all the major characters at the time got stuck at FC and had to stay the night. Then they all had to help sandbag the winery to protect it.

by Anonymousreply 287Last Tuesday at 7:16 PM

That's one of the best episodes ever, R287.

by Anonymousreply 288Yesterday at 7:26 AM

I know the Spring Mountain winery is in St. Helena in the Napa Valley but does anybody know where Chase and Maggie's house is located?

by Anonymousreply 289Yesterday at 7:31 AM

Stags' Leap Winery R298 , also in Napa.

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by Anonymousreply 290Yesterday at 7:57 AM

I LOVED the Gioberti castle home, until they stupidly decided to blow it up in one of the later seasons.

by Anonymousreply 291Yesterday at 8:30 AM

I'm with you, r291, little gay me always considered that house the perfect home. I still think that house would be my ideal home for retirement.

by Anonymousreply 292Yesterday at 9:00 AM

R292 I always loved the big porches and use of the outdoors on Falcon Crest. Dallas had that too with the pool, except someone always got pushed into it. ;)

by Anonymousreply 293Yesterday at 9:02 AM

Billy Moses had such a great fucking ass. I recently bought the box set of the Perry Mason TV movies, and I was excited when Billy replaced William Katt in them.

In his first appearance ("The Case of the Lethal Lesson"), there is a scene in which Billy is just wearing a pair of thin white athletic pants, and his ass is just...stupendous.

I'm sure it made poor Raymond Burr have palpitations.

by Anonymousreply 294a day ago

Thank you, R294. I had forgotten how wonderful Billy Moses' ass was. Gotta go back and re-watch FC.

by Anonymousreply 29514 hours ago

FC really made good use of location shooting.

by Anonymousreply 29612 hours ago

Tuscany Valley must have been closer to SF than real-life Napa as everybody was just going in and out of San Francisco all the time when it's actually a two hour drive.

by Anonymousreply 29712 hours ago

r297, it's not like they drove on their own.

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by Anonymousreply 29812 hours ago

I think they mentioned several times that it took them 45 mins to get to and from San Francisco.

by Anonymousreply 29911 hours ago

I loved Chao Li.

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